FWIW, as a generalization, I would say Indians cook great food, are more fluent in English than most USAians (in dire contrast to the Chinese for the most part), and are very industrious and self-motivated.
I am far much more interested in headless operation
That's why I like the BB Green. No wastage on HDMI or any other kind of video connector. The only thing I wish is that they could have built it without the useless graphics accelerator, but realistically nobody is building the silicon that way.
Pi 3: $35. BB Green: $39. Comparative price is not a factor. Yeah, when they went from rev B to C on the Beaglebone Black, the performance-to-price ratio took a dive, but they made up for that by coming out with the Green.
Yes, it's "only" got 512 MB. For anything I would conceive using it for, that's plenty. But it's absolutely a valid point that the Pi 3 has 1024 MB. If you need that, and you need an HDMI and four USBs, it's definitely a great choice. It's super that they both exist.
"$35 can be put into some dumb home automation system."
and that is why 99% of all home automation system projects fail. Half assing a project by using the cheapest thing you can grab guarantees failure.
There is no reason why a Pi should fail but some wildly overpriced yesterday's tech would magically succeed. I've been using a Beagleboard Black B which is comparable in price (before they ditched it for the overpriced Black C), running 24x7 as a mission-critical DHCP and DNS for my LAN for well over a year with zero down time and zero screwups. It has even recovered fine completely unprotected from a number of power failures during that time.
You asked, and I quote, "where can YOU get an odroid c-2 for $40?" Well, I didn't claim $40; I claimed $40-42. And indeed, I am looking at the store page I referenced right now, and it says $41.95. That's where *I* can get it for $42. NOT $52. If you're looking at another source; perhaps you don't live in the US; that's your problem, not mine. Or maybe you're adding shipping and accessories - then you have to do the same thing for the Pi. So cut the shit.
The LAST thing the Pi 3 needs is more CPU or RAM. Even the Pi 2 is plenty. In either case, you've got 4 cores, for gosh sake. You're certainly not limited to "running a single app at a time". If you need macho muscle, you should be using an x86 mini PC like the Intel NUC. Agree completely that a soft power button would be a good idea. IR - meh, that's pretty specialized. Couldn't you run that from USB?
First of all $40-42 (Odroid-C2) is not a significant hurdle beyond $35 (Pi). Sure, all the stuff that is $60 and up completely misses the boat.
The area where both the Pi and the Odroid-C2 fall down is that you MUST add the cost of a microSD card and the bother of installing to it. The Beaglebone Green ($39) with 4GB eMMC built in is ready to go when you receive it with no additional pieces (though there is a microSD slot if you want it). Plug it into a PC (they even furnish the USB cable) and its preinstalled Debian springs to life and you can work with it over a browser via the USB gadget networking. And there are 2 wonderful Grove connectors built in. What you don't get is any kind of video interface, and only a single USB host. So it's not trying to be a Pi me-too. It fills a different niche. The one where you have the Groves and 92 pins of 0.1-inch IO headers and dedicated IO processors.
In every respect except IO physical pinout, the PJRC Teensy 3.2 beats the Arduino all to hell at its own game. It gives you hella power and Arduino IDE support with a Cortex-M4 CPU.
Quite an informative and insightful comment - too bad the massive wall of text with no paragraph breaks makes it an ordeal to struggle through.
I entirely agree the Pi's competition (with the sole exception of the Beaglebone) all have severe shortcomings in the areas of (1) design myopia / lack of design ambition, (2) marketing, and/or (3) solidity of the operating system. As a result there is no ecosystem to speak of around any of them. The Beaglebone's development schedule seems glacial, but it seems to be the only one with the massive advantage of dedicated IO processors.
I admit I don't understand what all the heavy weather is over getting a 64 bit linux on the Pi 3. It seems to me it would only be a recompile of the same source code. Maybe that's a naive notion.
I've heard it used to refer to a kind of internet Fairness Doctrine that would have forced web browsers to randomly redirect you from one news site to another (e.g. from Fox to CNN) so you didn't hear too much information from any one biased source.
You've been listening to the 1 percentile brain dead idiot right wing. Nobody who has paid any attention whatsoever thinks it means anything of the kind.
OK. I'll do a whole lot better than that. I'll show you one that set an unrefueled distance record of 1923.08 nautical miles 50 years ago. And it was a small, very unimpressive looking helicopter with no edgy experimental or radical qualities, and only cost $19,860 in 1966 dollars. The model is still being produced today, by the way.
Granted, one has to differentiate between useful operating radius and max ferry range (possibly skimping on fuel reserves). But it's very hard to pin down figures for operating radius vs useful load carried, and you didn't specify anything beyond "range".
A 160-1 ratio makes me think the political parties forbid them from voting no (vote yes and you're not running under that party's banner in the next election cycle).
Well, I guess we found out what these spineless cowardly fakers were made of, eh? In the crunch, only a single one of these 38 losers bothered to vote no. This is just eerily reminiscent of what we are stuck with in the US Senate.
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But we already knew that.
FWIW, as a generalization, I would say Indians cook great food, are more fluent in English than most USAians (in dire contrast to the Chinese for the most part), and are very industrious and self-motivated.
Then if the IR provision would be cheap to build in, I will readily agree it would be nice to have and a good match for the Pi.
That's why I like the BB Green. No wastage on HDMI or any other kind of video connector. The only thing I wish is that they could have built it without the useless graphics accelerator, but realistically nobody is building the silicon that way.
Yeah, not sure why the AC went all ballistic.
Pi 3: $35.
BB Green: $39.
Comparative price is not a factor. Yeah, when they went from rev B to C on the Beaglebone Black, the performance-to-price ratio took a dive, but they made up for that by coming out with the Green.
Yes, it's "only" got 512 MB. For anything I would conceive using it for, that's plenty. But it's absolutely a valid point that the Pi 3 has 1024 MB. If you need that, and you need an HDMI and four USBs, it's definitely a great choice. It's super that they both exist.
There is no reason why a Pi should fail but some wildly overpriced yesterday's tech would magically succeed. I've been using a Beagleboard Black B which is comparable in price (before they ditched it for the overpriced Black C), running 24x7 as a mission-critical DHCP and DNS for my LAN for well over a year with zero down time and zero screwups. It has even recovered fine completely unprotected from a number of power failures during that time.
That is indeed major suckage. Just like the way bloodsuckers on ebay and Amazon are ripping people off for $60 and up for a Raspberry Pi 3.
You asked, and I quote, "where can YOU get an odroid c-2 for $40?" Well, I didn't claim $40; I claimed $40-42. And indeed, I am looking at the store page I referenced right now, and it says $41.95. That's where *I* can get it for $42. NOT $52. If you're looking at another source; perhaps you don't live in the US; that's your problem, not mine. Or maybe you're adding shipping and accessories - then you have to do the same thing for the Pi. So cut the shit.
The LAST thing the Pi 3 needs is more CPU or RAM. Even the Pi 2 is plenty. In either case, you've got 4 cores, for gosh sake. You're certainly not limited to "running a single app at a time". If you need macho muscle, you should be using an x86 mini PC like the Intel NUC. Agree completely that a soft power button would be a good idea. IR - meh, that's pretty specialized. Couldn't you run that from USB?
$42 Here
I agree in general. However ...
First of all $40-42 (Odroid-C2) is not a significant hurdle beyond $35 (Pi). Sure, all the stuff that is $60 and up completely misses the boat.
The area where both the Pi and the Odroid-C2 fall down is that you MUST add the cost of a microSD card and the bother of installing to it. The Beaglebone Green ($39) with 4GB eMMC built in is ready to go when you receive it with no additional pieces (though there is a microSD slot if you want it). Plug it into a PC (they even furnish the USB cable) and its preinstalled Debian springs to life and you can work with it over a browser via the USB gadget networking. And there are 2 wonderful Grove connectors built in. What you don't get is any kind of video interface, and only a single USB host. So it's not trying to be a Pi me-too. It fills a different niche. The one where you have the Groves and 92 pins of 0.1-inch IO headers and dedicated IO processors.
In every respect except IO physical pinout, the PJRC Teensy 3.2 beats the Arduino all to hell at its own game. It gives you hella power and Arduino IDE support with a Cortex-M4 CPU.
Quite an informative and insightful comment - too bad the massive wall of text with no paragraph breaks makes it an ordeal to struggle through.
I entirely agree the Pi's competition (with the sole exception of the Beaglebone) all have severe shortcomings in the areas of (1) design myopia / lack of design ambition, (2) marketing, and/or (3) solidity of the operating system. As a result there is no ecosystem to speak of around any of them. The Beaglebone's development schedule seems glacial, but it seems to be the only one with the massive advantage of dedicated IO processors.
I admit I don't understand what all the heavy weather is over getting a 64 bit linux on the Pi 3. It seems to me it would only be a recompile of the same source code. Maybe that's a naive notion.
You've been listening to the 1 percentile brain dead idiot right wing. Nobody who has paid any attention whatsoever thinks it means anything of the kind.
Go sell your derangement somewhere else. A 12-core Xeon E5-2697 v2 will pound whatever you've got into the dust, chump. 24 threads, 30 MB cache, 768 GB RAM accessability, 60 GBps of ECC RAM bandwidth, 40 PCIe 3.0 lanes of IO.
OK. I'll do a whole lot better than that. I'll show you one that set an unrefueled distance record of 1923.08 nautical miles 50 years ago. And it was a small, very unimpressive looking helicopter with no edgy experimental or radical qualities, and only cost $19,860 in 1966 dollars. The model is still being produced today, by the way.
Granted, one has to differentiate between useful operating radius and max ferry range (possibly skimping on fuel reserves). But it's very hard to pin down figures for operating radius vs useful load carried, and you didn't specify anything beyond "range".
300 knots, no. But how about 255 knots unofficial record? Other helicopters have reached or approached 250 knots.
Here is a site reporting this story which is (1) NOT a disgusting malvertising tool like Forbes, and (2) a little closer to the source.
So, contrary to the summary, which is a lie, they couldn't stick it out for the full year, eh?
What a wasted opportunity for a boast and the record book. "I stayed in orbit for a year ... well, er, I mean AMOST a year ... um, a long time anyway".
Here we have someone who is NOT stupid.
... And here come the stupid prick moderators.
Well, I guess we found out what these spineless cowardly fakers were made of, eh? In the crunch, only a single one of these 38 losers bothered to vote no. This is just eerily reminiscent of what we are stuck with in the US Senate.
Referring to the US as "America" is pretty much accepted by stupid people
FTFY.
And they are doing such a swell job, too! /sarc
Sloppy commenters. It's as if there were no "preview" function, isn't it?