ATMs are not connected to the internet, but to the bank's private network, which, yes, runs over TCP/IP. So a computer that got infected and had access to the internal network would be enough to crash those reachable ATMs.
But this set up would effectively mean the ATMS are connected to the internet? All it takes is a Trojan on the infected computer that provides a bridge between the internet and the internal network? It seems like a very difficult thing to do to keep the networks completely seperated, though:-( Then again I know banks still have data being driven around on magnetic discs by car, so they do go at some length to treat their data in a special way.
Compare that to (SuSE) linux. Download rpm, install, done (in many cases, when not, it's always explained in the advisories what to do).
If something breaks, uninstall the rpm and reapply the old on. Nearly no downtime, I just have then to find out what didn't work.
I don't know. I have this Linux box that different people are messing around with (it's just a hobby...). Lately I wanted to install some packet with the packet manager, and it insisted on installing apache because other packets depend on it. I couldn't work out what other packet might depend on apache (none of the ones I wanted to add - unless my adding them made SuSE add other packets that in turn depended on apache). In the end I decided not to use the packet manager anymore. It doesn't sound much better than MS to me.
Why would getting things cheaper be a bad thing?
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Isn't it always good to be able to produce something for less money? Since the country that does the outsourcing is obviously still able to pay the money, it can't be such a bad thing. If the country couldn't afford it anymore, it would go back to producing the things itself. It's just a balancing out, but it seems to me that the standards of living can't sink below a certain threshold that way. Ie the US won't fall back into the stoneage because of IT outsourcing.
The only people who are perhaps in danger are the people in the country that is being outsourced to - if they can produce cheaply because their living conditions are poor. Like child labour etc.
I think a better example than Tetris would be Conway's Game of Life. At least that is what I am thinking about when it comes to open ended games. I frankly doubt that this professor is going to come up with something very convincing. AI simply isn't there yet, when it comes to human like actions. However, open ended games still seem possible with todays technology, if you don't insist on emulating humans. Game Of Life might be too geeky for most, but to me it proves the point that interesting interaction with non-human 'life forms' is possible.
Hm, actually, I haven't played it, but The Sims comes to mind, too. It sounds like this would be emulating humans to a point that satisfies a lot of players, which disproves my point. However, that would also make seem this professors work less innovative - guess it's just another example of good marketing...
Whereas with Java is I find you often have to create symbols of your own even for typical common cases, whilst they seem to have symbols for uncommon cases. It's not just my common and uncommon since it's in an FAQ:
http://java.sun.com/products/jdbc/faq.html#18
I can understand why there is no getRowCount Function, though. It really is a massive performance issue. Or am I mistaken that to get the count of a normal result set, you need to read all the rows? Meaning that would be an issue of the databases and SQL, not of Java. So Java doesn't decide for you if you'd rather step to the last row or make another query with SELECT count(*) to determine the number of results. It might depend on the database used or the specific query which version works faster?
I found the story quite inspiring. I like the idea of clustering an X-Box, a pity that normal PCs are already so cheap, makes it less attractive. But still. And I also like the idea of applying for grants for fancy projects. Didn't occur to me before.
I find myself unable to decide all the time, so I would be really curious about this method. Google produced unconclusive results, though. So any hints as to the nature of the method mentioned in the book would be most welcome!
Note that hardly any of viruses, worms, etc cause any real damage.
In many firm the whole network will be shut down as long as it is unclear how harmful the worm is. The employees can't work. Their time at work costs money, though.
How do you know, you are not a Perler. Some Perler's love reading other's cryptic code. The challenge keeps them awake, and they get better with time. Perhaps they would rather read bad Perl code that takes up 3 lines than bad Java code that takes up 3 pages.
True, as I said in another post, it's a matter of taste. Also, just because it's fun doesn't make it effective. The riddles on the last page of the newspapers are somteimes fun, too. Actually I sometimes enjoy doing a little hacking, too, like weird SQL constructs or regular expressions magic. But I still wouldn't want the whole project to be like that.
Sounds like Perl to me.
It's a matter of taste. A lot of people can't bear Perl code, others prefer Perl style and hate Java.
Personally, I think Java beats Perl a million times. Perl code just isn't readable, especially not cross-programmer.
Sure, if you apply the 'shorter code equals easier maintenance' formula, Perl probably wins. But I think Perl makes a good case against this formula. You could probably write a whole web application as a Perl one-liner, but to debug it would be a full-blown research project of several months or years.
Since nobody mentioned him yet, I thought the three books by Barry Hughart were absolutely brilliant. Certainly among my alltime favourite books. It's fantasy set in china, both very funny/original and very touching.
Given my nick, I feel compelled to also recommend Stanislaw Lem;-)
The most recent scifi/fantasy books I enjoyed were much to my surprise the Shadowrun books by Nigel Findley, which I picked up cheaply on ebay. I expected mindless trash, but was pleasantly surprised. Reminded my of Raymond Chandler.
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ATMs are not connected to the internet, but to the bank's private network, which, yes, runs over TCP/IP. So a computer that got infected and had access to the internal network would be enough to crash those reachable ATMs.
But this set up would effectively mean the ATMS are connected to the internet? All it takes is a Trojan on the infected computer that provides a bridge between the internet and the internal network?
It seems like a very difficult thing to do to keep the networks completely seperated, though
Compare that to (SuSE) linux. Download rpm, install, done (in many cases, when not, it's always explained in the advisories what to do). If something breaks, uninstall the rpm and reapply the old on. Nearly no downtime, I just have then to find out what didn't work.
I don't know. I have this Linux box that different people are messing around with (it's just a hobby...). Lately I wanted to install some packet with the packet manager, and it insisted on installing apache because other packets depend on it. I couldn't work out what other packet might depend on apache (none of the ones I wanted to add - unless my adding them made SuSE add other packets that in turn depended on apache). In the end I decided not to use the packet manager anymore. It doesn't sound much better than MS to me.
Isn't it always good to be able to produce something for less money? Since the country that does the outsourcing is obviously still able to pay the money, it can't be such a bad thing. If the country couldn't afford it anymore, it would go back to producing the things itself. It's just a balancing out, but it seems to me that the standards of living can't sink below a certain threshold that way. Ie the US won't fall back into the stoneage because of IT outsourcing.
The only people who are perhaps in danger are the people in the country that is being outsourced to - if they can produce cheaply because their living conditions are poor. Like child labour etc.
I think a better example than Tetris would be Conway's Game of Life. At least that is what I am thinking about when it comes to open ended games. I frankly doubt that this professor is going to come up with something very convincing. AI simply isn't there yet, when it comes to human like actions. However, open ended games still seem possible with todays technology, if you don't insist on emulating humans. Game Of Life might be too geeky for most, but to me it proves the point that interesting interaction with non-human 'life forms' is possible.
Hm, actually, I haven't played it, but The Sims comes to mind, too. It sounds like this would be emulating humans to a point that satisfies a lot of players, which disproves my point. However, that would also make seem this professors work less innovative - guess it's just another example of good marketing...
Whereas with Java is I find you often have to create symbols of your own even for typical common cases, whilst they seem to have symbols for uncommon cases. It's not just my common and uncommon since it's in an FAQ:
http://java.sun.com/products/jdbc/faq.html#18
I can understand why there is no getRowCount Function, though. It really is a massive performance issue. Or am I mistaken that to get the count of a normal result set, you need to read all the rows? Meaning that would be an issue of the databases and SQL, not of Java. So Java doesn't decide for you if you'd rather step to the last row or make another query with SELECT count(*) to determine the number of results. It might depend on the database used or the specific query which version works faster?
If not, it would become more interesting to use as a desktop PC (less noise is good). I suppose most cheap PCs are noisy as hell.
He got a grant to figure that out.
I found the story quite inspiring. I like the idea of clustering an X-Box, a pity that normal PCs are already so cheap, makes it less attractive. But still. And I also like the idea of applying for grants for fancy projects. Didn't occur to me before.
I find myself unable to decide all the time, so I would be really curious about this method. Google produced unconclusive results, though. So any hints as to the nature of the method mentioned in the book would be most welcome!
Note that hardly any of viruses, worms, etc cause any real damage.
In many firm the whole network will be shut down as long as it is unclear how harmful the worm is. The employees can't work. Their time at work costs money, though.
How do you know, you are not a Perler. Some Perler's love reading other's cryptic code. The challenge keeps them awake, and they get better with time. Perhaps they would rather read bad Perl code that takes up 3 lines than bad Java code that takes up 3 pages.
True, as I said in another post, it's a matter of taste. Also, just because it's fun doesn't make it effective. The riddles on the last page of the newspapers are somteimes fun, too. Actually I sometimes enjoy doing a little hacking, too, like weird SQL constructs or regular expressions magic. But I still wouldn't want the whole project to be like that.
Sounds like Perl to me. It's a matter of taste. A lot of people can't bear Perl code, others prefer Perl style and hate Java. Personally, I think Java beats Perl a million times. Perl code just isn't readable, especially not cross-programmer. Sure, if you apply the 'shorter code equals easier maintenance' formula, Perl probably wins. But I think Perl makes a good case against this formula. You could probably write a whole web application as a Perl one-liner, but to debug it would be a full-blown research project of several months or years.
Since nobody mentioned him yet, I thought the three books by Barry Hughart were absolutely brilliant. Certainly among my alltime favourite books. It's fantasy set in china, both very funny/original and very touching.
Barry Hughart at Amazon
Given my nick, I feel compelled to also recommend Stanislaw Lem ;-)
The most recent scifi/fantasy books I enjoyed were much to my surprise the Shadowrun books by Nigel Findley, which I picked up cheaply on ebay. I expected mindless trash, but was pleasantly surprised. Reminded my of Raymond Chandler.