For people who think the iPhone is too small for reading books, there's the iPad Mini and the iPad full size. For which there are of course scrolling readers as well as paging ones, if that's their preference.
As has been proven, it was YOU who had no clue iCloud could download to the device, you repeated it many times until I informed you.
You don't download with iCloud. It syncs. In the degenerate case that may mean an entire file. It's implementation might be a background download in that case. But you are not downloading.
But you've demonstrated over and over again that all you have is lack of knowledge of the topic and a bunch of insults.
Clearly nothing is going to educate you about it because you are being wilful in your misunderstanding.
Somehow other manufacturers get around this limitation of USB.
There's no somehow to it. The USB standard for fast charging came in 2007 and was updated in 2010. This was long after the Apple 30 Pin dock connector which dates back to 2003.
Apple was fast charging years before any Android was.
Remember that you are defending iCloud as a replacement for an SD-card (which is pretty fucking ridiculous to begin with, but let's not get into that).
Only if your 20/20 hindsight can discern that the Japanese threat continue the fight until no Japanese was left living to fight was nothing more than simple rhetoric.
Not at all, Japan had offered to surrender months before the nuclear bombs under the condition they could keep their emperor. The US refused and called for an unconditional surrender. Then after the nuclear bombs and the unconditional surrender of the Japanese, they let them keep their emperor anyway. It was stupid waste of human life, and the opening of the nuclear Pandora's box - for nothing.
So we should have instead continued incinerating Japanese cities with conventional firebombs? That was killing far more people than the nukes. The Soviet invasion of Manchuria, beginning on August 9th, also killed far more Japanese than the nukes.
Your analysis assumes that the number of people killed by those 2 nuclear bombs is the only important factor. Rather than realising a Pandora's box was opened. One which could have and may yet kill us all.
How many lives were saved by sending a clear message to Joseph Stalin?
Unknowable. And the number might have the opposite sign from what you assume.
So to summarise; Apple good, Android bad. Got ya. By the way are you saying the legacy iPhone connector was analogue..?!
Both. It's a 30 pin connector. Amongst them are line in and line out for audio, and both composite and s-video. Those are all analogue. Then there are digital signals for USB and Firewire. Those are digital.
1. Put data on one device. 2. Sync to iCloud 3. Re-download to another device. *IT IS ACQUIRED FROM ICLOUD* Download speed limited to wifi-speed / cellular / whatever.
Comparison to micro SD card was made as a similar data flow exists there too (although million times more convenient, and much faster) 1. Put data on SD card 2. Watch movie directly from SD card as it supports 70 Mbps.
You quote the degenerate case of sync, where you have one device with a file and you want it on another immediately. Obviously the entire file needs transmitting. That does not mean that iCloud is a download service.
Further more you compound the stupidity of your blow by blow comparison, you've entirely left off tha fact that in the equivalent scenario you have to remove the back of each of the two Android devices, and take the SD_card out of one and put it in the other.
Sync cannot happen without a possibility of download.
... in the degenerate case only. Sync doesn't require entire files to be transferred. Only the changed parts. In the case of a new movie, that will be the entire file. But the degenerate case is not what defines what a thing is.
And in the normal case happens without you noticing. Because it happens without you needing to ask for the download. The sync service has already done it for you.
None of this happens in with SD-cards. You've talking manual downloads, and sneaker-net. Other than capacity, nothing more advanced than transferring files with a 1970s floppy disk.
For the same reason we don't still use RS232 and Centronics. Time moves on. Old standards no longer do what we need of them.
Android devices will have to move on to a different connector for USB 3.0. Just as Apple has had to move on to a different connector.
The stupid thing is Android fanboys criticising Apple for moving on from a connector that's been used for the last decade.
There's an argument to be made between Apple's new proprietary connector and USB 3.0. But arguing for the current micro-USB (USB 2.0) as an option is blatantly short sighted.
And yes, that is the nature of this thread - the stupid comparison between SD cards and iCloud
Then stop comparing them.
So access to the data that is NOT on device memory when needed is being discussed. In one case it is acquired from iCloud, and from the SD card in the other case.
No, it's NOT acquired from iCloud. How many more times? It's a sync service. It's NOT a download service.
Just stop trying to discuss a technology you don't understand.
This is especially apparent in war time, where compassionate leaders are often dithering and indecisive, leading to a prolonged war and many more deaths and wounds than needed.
The nuclear bombs at the end of WWII were unnecessary. They were merely a demonstration to the newly perceived threat of the USSR, rather than anything needed for winning the war in Japan, or the old canard of "saving allied lives".
Give me the compassionate leader rather than the psychopath any day.
Meanwhile, SD cards are usable when outside range of wifi (even cellular) . "iCloud" is not.
Yes it is. Again, that's the nature of syncing. You didn't take the advice to look stuff up before you make an ass of yourself.
So your statement that one has to wait for saving to SD card is idiotic because even before that one has to wait for wifi (or cellular data)
No, that's when the syncing updates happen. It's not when you have access to the data.
Fundamentally, the whole concept of trying to compare saving to external flash to a syncing service is stupid. The kind of ill-informed bollocks Android fanboys come up with.
USB power only (charging) support was finalized in the late 90s, way before the iPod.
Only slow charging. The power available in the old USB standard is very modest, resulting in some devices being powered by using two USB cables in parallel.
Fast charging became part of the standard years later, well into the iPod period.
There's nothing optional about the USB on pre-iPhone 5 iPhones and iPods. The USB presents itself on the far side of the cable included with every device.
Slow charging was possible from the start of USB. Fast charging wasn't. Unless you broke the standard. Slow charging isn't good enough for today's smartphones.
Micro-USB is USB 2.0. Which is OK for this year. But it's not going to be good enough for the next decade. USB 3.0 was annoucned 5 years ago, but that won't work with Micro-USB.
and doesn't that new design remove support for raw audio/video through their proprietary port?
Digital vs analogue is usually seen as a technological improvement.
The old iPhone connector was excusable for the reasons you've stated... the new one has no excuse to not conform to the new standard aside from Apple wanting to further bleed their customers of money.
It's versatile enough to last the next decade. Which the USB 2.0 found on Android devices isn't.
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If it wasn't for all the false reporting about conditions at Foxconn, I might take this seriously.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Daisey
For people who think the iPhone is too small for reading books, there's the iPad Mini and the iPad full size. For which there are of course scrolling readers as well as paging ones, if that's their preference.
As has been proven, it was YOU who had no clue iCloud could download to the device, you repeated it many times until I informed you.
You don't download with iCloud. It syncs. In the degenerate case that may mean an entire file. It's implementation might be a background download in that case. But you are not downloading.
But you've demonstrated over and over again that all you have is lack of knowledge of the topic and a bunch of insults.
Clearly nothing is going to educate you about it because you are being wilful in your misunderstanding.
Your posts are worthless, so bye.
Exactly, it's not giving "extra" capacity.
Finally you understand.
But you have to butt in like an idiot
As already established, the thread shows clearly if anyone "butted in", it was you. And on a topic you know nothing about.
because the others are not better than Google when it comes to privacy.
Sure they are. Google is the last company on earth to trust not to spy on you.
Somehow other manufacturers get around this limitation of USB.
There's no somehow to it. The USB standard for fast charging came in 2007 and was updated in 2010. This was long after the Apple 30 Pin dock connector which dates back to 2003.
Apple was fast charging years before any Android was.
Remember that you are defending iCloud as a replacement for an SD-card (which is pretty fucking ridiculous to begin with, but let's not get into that).
That's precisely the opposite of what I'm doing.
Only if your 20/20 hindsight can discern that the Japanese threat continue the fight until no Japanese was left living to fight was nothing more than simple rhetoric.
Not at all, Japan had offered to surrender months before the nuclear bombs under the condition they could keep their emperor. The US refused and called for an unconditional surrender. Then after the nuclear bombs and the unconditional surrender of the Japanese, they let them keep their emperor anyway. It was stupid waste of human life, and the opening of the nuclear Pandora's box - for nothing.
So we should have instead continued incinerating Japanese cities with conventional firebombs? That was killing far more people than the nukes. The Soviet invasion of Manchuria, beginning on August 9th, also killed far more Japanese than the nukes.
Your analysis assumes that the number of people killed by those 2 nuclear bombs is the only important factor. Rather than realising a Pandora's box was opened. One which could have and may yet kill us all.
How many lives were saved by sending a clear message to Joseph Stalin?
Unknowable. And the number might have the opposite sign from what you assume.
Now when that didn't work, this becomes a "degenerate" case?
http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=degenerate+case&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&redir_esc=&ei=I7nyUdXMBsGrhAfE94H4Dw&safe=strict
For which capacity one would need to use iCloud in the degenerate case on some SD-card-less devices.
Again, you demonstrate you still don't know what iCloud is. It's NOT extra capacity. Not even in your misunderstanding of what degenerate case means.
So to summarise; Apple good, Android bad. Got ya. By the way are you saying the legacy iPhone connector was analogue..?!
Both. It's a 30 pin connector. Amongst them are line in and line out for audio, and both composite and s-video. Those are all analogue. Then there are digital signals for USB and Firewire. Those are digital.
Android not bad. Just not as good.
1. Put data on one device.
2. Sync to iCloud
3. Re-download to another device. *IT IS ACQUIRED FROM ICLOUD*
Download speed limited to wifi-speed / cellular / whatever.
Comparison to micro SD card was made as a similar data flow exists there too (although million times more convenient, and much faster)
1. Put data on SD card
2. Watch movie directly from SD card as it supports 70 Mbps.
You quote the degenerate case of sync, where you have one device with a file and you want it on another immediately. Obviously the entire file needs transmitting. That does not mean that iCloud is a download service.
Further more you compound the stupidity of your blow by blow comparison, you've entirely left off tha fact that in the equivalent scenario you have to remove the back of each of the two Android devices, and take the SD_card out of one and put it in the other.
Sync cannot happen without a possibility of download.
... in the degenerate case only. Sync doesn't require entire files to be transferred. Only the changed parts. In the case of a new movie, that will be the entire file. But the degenerate case is not what defines what a thing is.
And in the normal case happens without you noticing. Because it happens without you needing to ask for the download. The sync service has already done it for you.
None of this happens in with SD-cards. You've talking manual downloads, and sneaker-net. Other than capacity, nothing more advanced than transferring files with a 1970s floppy disk.
Chalk and cheese comparison.
For the same reason we don't still use RS232 and Centronics. Time moves on. Old standards no longer do what we need of them.
Android devices will have to move on to a different connector for USB 3.0. Just as Apple has had to move on to a different connector.
The stupid thing is Android fanboys criticising Apple for moving on from a connector that's been used for the last decade.
There's an argument to be made between Apple's new proprietary connector and USB 3.0. But arguing for the current micro-USB (USB 2.0) as an option is blatantly short sighted.
Not quite true.
Absolutely true. That's a different connector.
And yes, that is the nature of this thread - the stupid comparison between SD cards and iCloud
Then stop comparing them.
So access to the data that is NOT on device memory when needed is being discussed. In one case it is acquired from iCloud, and from the SD card in the other case.
No, it's NOT acquired from iCloud. How many more times? It's a sync service. It's NOT a download service.
Just stop trying to discuss a technology you don't understand.
This is especially apparent in war time, where compassionate leaders are often dithering and indecisive, leading to a prolonged war and many more deaths and wounds than needed.
The nuclear bombs at the end of WWII were unnecessary. They were merely a demonstration to the newly perceived threat of the USSR, rather than anything needed for winning the war in Japan, or the old canard of "saving allied lives".
Give me the compassionate leader rather than the psychopath any day.
Meanwhile, SD cards are usable when outside range of wifi (even cellular) . "iCloud" is not.
Yes it is. Again, that's the nature of syncing. You didn't take the advice to look stuff up before you make an ass of yourself.
So your statement that one has to wait for saving to SD card is idiotic because even before that one has to wait for wifi (or cellular data)
No, that's when the syncing updates happen. It's not when you have access to the data.
Fundamentally, the whole concept of trying to compare saving to external flash to a syncing service is stupid. The kind of ill-informed bollocks Android fanboys come up with.
And the 64 gb micro SD card is NOT a synchronizing service.
Now you've got it.
It actually increases the amount of data that can be addressed without "killing " the data transfer quotas most mobile connections have.
By default it works when you have a wifi connection. Perhaps you should find this stuff out before you post your false complaints.
Which was being discussed before you butted in. Read the context, idiot
I was neither replying to that post, nor to any post of yours. If anyone is butting in, it's you. And it's ill-informed butting in at that.
USB power only (charging) support was finalized in the late 90s, way before the iPod.
Only slow charging. The power available in the old USB standard is very modest, resulting in some devices being powered by using two USB cables in parallel.
Fast charging became part of the standard years later, well into the iPod period.
There's nothing optional about the USB on pre-iPhone 5 iPhones and iPods. The USB presents itself on the far side of the cable included with every device.
Slow charging was possible from the start of USB. Fast charging wasn't. Unless you broke the standard. Slow charging isn't good enough for today's smartphones.
Micro-USB is USB 2.0. Which is OK for this year. But it's not going to be good enough for the next decade. USB 3.0 was annoucned 5 years ago, but that won't work with Micro-USB.
Lightning is forward looking. Micro-USB isn't.
and doesn't that new design remove support for raw audio/video through their proprietary port?
Digital vs analogue is usually seen as a technological improvement.
The old iPhone connector was excusable for the reasons you've stated... the new one has no excuse to not conform to the new standard aside from Apple wanting to further bleed their customers of money.
It's versatile enough to last the next decade. Which the USB 2.0 found on Android devices isn't.
iCloud is a syncing service. If it's on iCloud it's also on your device. So of course there's no bandwidth barrier to watching said movie.
About half is an awful lot. And typically the IT dept is full of geeks. They're the ones that typically advise management.
Though of course management often ignore the geeks.