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Apple Profit Falls 22% But iPhone Sales Are Up
New submitter marcushoward writes in with news of Apple's quarterly results. From the article: "Apple on Tuesday reported fiscal
third-quarter revenues of $35.3 billion and profits of $6.9 billion, or $7.47 per share. The revenue number is basically even with Apple’s results from a year ago, but its profits were off by almost $2 billion. Revenues were mostly in line with Wall Street’s expectations of $35.09 billion and slightly above its earnings per share expectation of around $7.31. Apple itself had predicted revenues between $33.5 billion and $35.5 billion."
Compared to this quarter last year, sales of Macs are about even, iPad sales dipped slightly (14.6 million vs 16 million), and iPhone sales are up quite a bit (31 million vs 26 million).
Apple (headline) profits fall, just as they are being asked to pay tax.
The industry analysts and pundits have been predicting this for ages: that while Apple led for ages, and reaped windfall profits as a consequence, there would be a stampede into the smartphone market, and Google would barge in, turn smartphones into a commodity, and crush Apple's margins. This is not a surprise. Happens in markets all the time, and had previously happened in the PC market, where nowadays, it's impossible to make serious money on PC hardware, and the only people selling parts are people happy to sell huge volumes on razor-thin margins.
What's interesting about this story, at least for me, is that iPad sales have tanked. Maybe that suggests that Android on tablets has matured somewhat from the early days of few, clunky tablet apps, and that tablets are commodities now too.
So, where did the extra costs come from?
Does it take so much more power to run the RDF after Jobs death?
Apple's cyclic not a steady force. I'm looking forward to the Liquid Metal Iwatch. I worry a bit about the smaller iphones. On the one hand they boost new sales in foreign markets (pity Nokia) and probably spike sales everywhere. But they will canibalise some new sales of the older higher margin phones. Or will they? perhaps they will have higher margins. Or perhaps people who save money on the smaller one will pick up an ipad. Or perhaps sales of the full sized iphone are saturated anyhow so there's little to canibalize. All I know is that they won't lose money!
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
You are correct, you don't get it. Lame.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
iPhone batteries are not soldered in. If you're so confident that Samsung phones are better why make stuff up?
Apple joined PRISM in October 2012. If you buy an iPad/iPhone it spies on you for the NSA.
If you really believe the NSA is tracking 800,000 suspect terrorists (and growing) and not 800,000 mostly innocent people wrongly accused by an out of control General then good luck to you with that Apple kit. Perhaps you'll be lucky. Perhaps your particular Apple kit won't be used against you. Or perhaps you'll say something bad on Slashdot and be among the 800,000.
Let me predict the future.
A bill will be introduced that required remote turn on of the microphone and camera, perhaps as a 911 requirement. What if you are injured and managed to dial the number but not speak into the phone? Or some such ridiculous idea. You will have to watch what you say around your phone, in case the microphone is turned on, or the camera is watching you.
Why not just call the next Apple product an iTelescreen?
The Samsung Galaxy phone is better and any tablet in the world is better than the iPad. As soon as people realize it has no HDMI, no micro-SD port, and no USB port for flash drives, they can go spend 5x less on a tablet that can or get the vastly superior Galaxy tablet for the same price. My long time Apple fanatic roommate just dumped is iPhone 4 for a Samsung Galaxy and admitted it was far better. Plus, his 4's soldered-in battery just failed so I think there was a valuable lesson there too. So how could their device sales possibly be going up? And with Windows 8 out, how could their desktop sales be going down?
For the millionth goddamn time in one of these Apple threads, the sales bear out that Joe Bagodonutz doesn't give a crap. Some other people perceive value differently than you do. What's not to "get"?
You wrote:
"...vastly superior Galaxy tablet..."
The PC industry has proven that geeky might sell to geeks, but usability sells to the masses. I don't know any non-geek buying Windows PCs anymore. Everyone now wants a Mac desktop or laptop based upon superior usability.
The same thing will happen with phones. Google has no clue when it comes to design, usability and customer needs assessment vs " fill it with geek features the average person won't use."
iPhone 4 is nearly 3 years old. Comparing it against a S3 or a S4 is weak sauce. One would hope that Samsung can at least create a phone that can beat a 3 year old phone. Also interesting how android forums is full of how the galaxy's are still jittery and have laggy gui.
And soldered in battery? Really? Is it really that difficult to remove 3 screws and swap a battery that's dead? No, you can't change batteries on a daily basis, not easily, but the battery also doesn't die in 4 hours like the Galaxy.
http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing+iPhone+4+Battery/3141/1
Must suck to live in a world where EVERYONE is an idiot except you. If only everyone would WAKE UP and stop being so stupid. Thank god you saved your roommate from the follies of buying Apple.
Apple changed the Appstore from a simple list view where users could scroll through hundreds of apps, ie buying choices to a STUPID SINGLE PAGE left and right where most users only ever scroll through about 5 apps most of which they have already bought.
I mean what absolutely stupid muppet thought this was a good idea????
Knocked more than 30% off of all app sales over night.
There's their problem in a nutshell.
Sheer genius!
rgds
And if screws is not your thing, then you can have Apple change it for you.
http://www.apple.com/batteries/replacements.html
Ooops. Apple is in deep shit now! They've committed the sin of actually investing in their company!
Wall street is going to break out the pitchforks! Shareholder lawsuits incoming! Better fire 20% of your workforce to keep those investors happy!
What's that? New iphone imminent? One that will be sold out for 6 months after it's release, just like all the previous iphones?
Nevermind. This is a hatchet piece designed to drive stocks down before the inevitable boom that comes post product release.
i just got a galaxy s3
it sucks. laggy turd compared to my ipad 2 and iphone 5
The Samsung Galaxy phone is better and any tablet in the world is better than the iPad.
Nothing against the Galaxy but "better" is a pretty ill defined term. For my Grandmother, who mostly wants to play solitaire and facetime with her grandkids, the Galaxy is a demonstrably worse choice. For your needs or mine it might be the better choice. "Better" depends on what you are doing with it.
As soon as people realize it has no HDMI, no micro-SD port, and no USB port for flash drives, they can go spend 5x less on a tablet that can or get the vastly superior Galaxy tablet for the same price.
There is a market for tablets with those connectors but it is, for better or worse, a minority. My several of my family members have iPads. Most of them would never use any of those ports and in fact most of them don't even know what an HDMI or micro-SD port is. That's not to imply that a tablet with those ports would be pointless. For someone like me they might actually be an attractive feature but I have no illusions that most iPad buyers would need or want them. Furthermore those extra ports add cost, complexity and opportunities for hardware failure. Furthermore there are other ways to accomplish things like file transfer, video display, etc without those ports so it is unclear why they would be necessary in most cases. You don't need HDMI to display video. You don't need USB to store or transfer files. I'm sure some people appreciate those ports but I'd wager a tidy sum that most of the time they go completely unused.
Their device sales are up, because a lot of people like iDevices just as much as you like Samsung. Desktop sales are down, because that's the industry trend.
As soon as people realize it has no HDMI, no micro-SD port, and no USB port for flash drives, they can go spend 5x less on a tablet that can or get the vastly superior Galaxy tablet for the same price.
Vastly superior? If by that you mean pixelated screen and lower battery life then yes, you are right. Try reading books on Galaxy Tab vs iPad and tell us with a straight face that there is no difference or that the Galaxy Tab is superior.
People are waking up and buying products from other manufacturers. Samsung's profits were up in the current reported quarter about $8.5B, guess at who's expense and the fact that Apple isn't doing well in China doesn't bode well for them.
Yeah, I think unless Apple comes out with a line of adult sex toys, it'll see profits fall. iVibrator anyone? What it'll have rounded edges!
Plus, it's lost the recent price fixing case in books, yet they'll appeal so I'd rate Apple as underperform.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
The industry analysts and pundits have been predicting this for ages
Ages huh? 15 years ago Apple was “beleaguered”
that while Apple led for ages
The iPhone went to market only in 2007. *Six* years ago, Apple was late to that game. It was only that the other players were caught with their pants down.
reaped windfall profits as a consequence
Their insane margins were more a testament of Tim Cooks logistics expertise, the reason Steve Jobs hired him.
Google would barge in, turn smartphones into a commodity, and crush Apple's margins
Maybe in bizarro land. Apples only competitor is Samsung. The rest of Android phones replace the feature phones of old.
the PC market, where nowadays, it's impossible to make serious money on PC hardware
Uhm, except for Apple?
What's interesting about this story, at least for me, is that iPad sales have tanked.
Tanked. Yeah, right. Yoy 16 to 14.6 million. With FQ3/12 being the quarter with the brand new retina iPad.
Wish /.mods would cut back on dope.
. I don't know any non-geek buying Windows PCs anymore. Everyone now wants a Mac desktop or laptop based upon superior usability.
Last time I checked Macs had about 10 or 15% market share worldwide. So either the world is 85-90% geek, or you need to get out of your basement more often.
Which is better, iPhone or Android?
It depends on what your needs are. Apples mail client and calendar app are VASTLY superior to Android. You have to go all the way back to IOS ver 2 to have a worse mail client than Android 4.22. However, Firefox (and plugins) rock on Android. And Swype is a killer app.
For me, the decision to abandon my investment in IOS apps was easy when I went to a prepay phone. My Nexus 4 was half the cost of a new iPhone. The iPhone certainly is not twice as good.
Google has no clue when it comes to design, usability and customer needs assessment vs " fill it with geek features the average person won't use."
Uhm, that's why they license to third parties. They may not know about rounded corners and sleek looks but that's what other manufacturers are for. I've bought 7 Android devices in the past year. Most for developing software and personal use. In our house we have one iPhone 5 and that's getting traded out here shortly because my son hates the Apple "way." He hates the new App Store, iTunes is constantly giving him grief, me? I just download my mp3s from Amazon.. NO problem. I don't see apple cutting prices but Microsoft has floundered in the phone/tablet space and unless they right the ship, they'll be left with the Server O/S tier and Desktops which are fading. Laptops will still use Windows but fundamentally Microsoft shouldn't be building its own products, much like Google. They don't know what it takes to build a killer design in terms of look/feel.
Also for all those "Geek" features, my wife uses a Galaxy Note 2 and loves the multi-window, she's not a CS grad either but she likes to be able to easily see and do two things at once. Oh yeah, multitasking, another missing link in the iOS evolutionary path.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
As much as I dislike Apple's products and philosophy, I absolutely hate Samsung's philosophy. In my experience, it's either copying (much more than would be reasonable) successful products or throwing tons of crap at the wall to see what sticks (the galaxy cameras come to mind). Either way, their products are designed to what seem to be very poor standards with atrocious quality control.
Out of 11 Samsung products:
Two were dead on arrival (Ativ Smart PC Pro, a camcorder whose model I don't recall) - they did turn on, but were not in a condition anyone would call useful (dead touchscreen and autofocus, random stability issues, not to mention the fact that the tablet's replacement, like all other units I've seen, had plastic covering one of the keyboard dock's pins and a misaligned speaker grille).
One (40" LCD) developed some unusual dark areas on the screen.
One (Refrigerator) suffers from an ice dispenser button that gets stuck if operated with a single finger, its shelves' plastic is cracking and there's rust developing on some parts of the outside finish.
One (Monitor, Syncmaster 940BW) has a driver issue (seriously. Google it and wonder how it's possible...) under Windows 7 where a driver is automatically installed that includes a bad color profile that causes White to be displayed as Yellow in color-corrected applications, unless a different profile is manually chosen.
One (Dual-SIM phone with crappy resistive touchscreen) was never a decent phone, but its touchscreen decided to crap out one day, for no apparent reason, making it impossible to use.
Another phone (Wave I think it was called... ) was a phone whose hardware showed potential but was running Bada or whatever that OS was called. Not pleasant to use.
Only 4 / 11 Samsung products never gave any reason for complaint (besides limitations that were obvious when buying it - like a screen that is at a fixed height - those were knwon and expected, so there's no reason to blame Samsung): Two 830 SSDs (one 128GB and one 256GB), another monitor (Syncmaster BX2450) and a Blu-Ray drive.
I'm sure someone can give me a comparable amount of Apple horror stories, but I'd bet that most of them are actually limitations that one knows they're buying - like support for newer versions of OS X / iOS being a gamble. The products themselves don't tend to start failing in unpredictable ways, most failures are predictable, in my experience.
tl;dr I won't be buying Samsung again anytime soon (and I wouldn't buy Apple anyway, so don't bother with that angle)
This is excellent trolling, please mod up.
Here's to hot beer, cold women, and Glaswegian kisses for all.
HDMI == AirPlay
SD-slot / USB == iCloud
That's how Apple handles those issues.
Also, I don't believe any iOS battery is soldered; they all have detachable connectors.
Didn't you hear? Apple fanboys aren't allowed on slashdot.
He's so far in arrogant Apple fantasy land, it's not even worth going to get him at this point.
1) 31.2 million iPhones sold...well ahead of estimates.
2) 14.6 million iPads sold...well below expectations.
Here's my theory on the iPhone sales. I think that many people had earlier models of the iPhone and when it came time to upgrade they decided to try Android phones, were unsatisfied, and switched back to an iPhone on the next upgrade cycle. Android has a lot of nifty features but I have to admit that the iPhone is a lot slicker and easier to use. For a lot of people, ease of use wins out.
I suspect we might see the same thing occur with the iPads in the near future. There are a lot of cheap Android tablets out there and most of them are crap. The exception being the Samsung Galaxy, which is very nicely done. I think that a lot of people that really wanted an iPad settled for a cheap Android tablet and are discovering that you get what you pay for.
This is also the reason why manufacturing industries in America have shipped their jobs overseas. Once a company has reached its peak growth in sales, leadership is under pressure from investors to continue to demonstrate growing profits. So, they look around and quickly seize on their own labor force as ballast.
The American workers are / were thrown overboard to expand profit margins and satiate investors' demand for "growth".
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wah wah wah wah wah. Typical Apple fanboy whining. Fuck off.
Every iphone for a 3 year period had a screen that was roughly twice as likely to break as the one before it accordingly to actual phone insurance companies. The newest ipad has been officially rated heavier, hotter, and with a worse battery life than the one before it after they improved something that nobody was complaining about (the graphics power and screen res). Then there's the purple flare, the "you're holding it wrong" antenna problem, the craptacular performance of itunes and icloud on windows desktops, etc. So Samsung isn't the only company who perpetually makes stupid mistakes with big products.
I wonder how many people are in the same situation as I am? I'm a self confessed Apple fanboy, but there just wasn't much reason for me to give Apple any money last quarter.
I won't replace my iPhone 4 just now because there is bound to be a new model along soon. I can't replace my 2008 MacPro because they don't sell them in Europe any more, and even if they did, it would be foolish to invest in another cheesegrater when the black bin has already been pre-announced. I like the idea of a tablet, but I'm waiting on the inevitable retina iPad mini. For me Apple isn't tanking, they are just deferring revenue.
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An awful lot of those PCs are bought by businesses and other organizations.
using anything other than MacOS on the desktop/laptop right now, but as Jobs himself once said, the post-PC era is upon us, and weirdly, that's where Apple is struggling a bit. After a burst of market innovation during the second half of the '00s, they've basically said "pass" the last several product cycles.
My first iPhone absolutely floored me and there was nothing else like it on the market. Same with my first iPad. But early this year I replaced my iPhone 4 with a Samsung Galaxy Note simply for features reasons (large display, widgets) and ended up going with a 7-inch Galaxy Tab rather than an iPad mini because the Galaxy tab can be had for less than half the price but offers "good enough, similar enough" functionality to the iPad Mini for me.
If Apple wants to stay on top of the post-PC game, they're going to have to:
(1) Tackle the mid-level market more directly or at least differentiate themselves from it, and
(2) Pay attention to the features that the market is paying for
I'm a big believer in Apple quality and Apple design, and in the Apple ecosystem, so it's a bad sign that right now (a) there is no iPhone that I prefer to this hunk-of-junk Android phone whose quality pales in comparison, and (b) the price difference in other lines is so significant (more than 2x — $180 for a Galaxy Tab w/40GB and higher display density but just-as-good build quality out the door at retail, vs. $350 for an iPad Mini w/16gb) that I just can't justify the Apple premium.
STOP . AMERICA . NOW
Oh boy, nobody supports Airplay but Apple and iCloud kills your data plan or even on a 10 megabit wireless local connection, it's still 56x slower than my class 10 samsung micro SD card that's in my tablet (it's 70MB/s read speed). What a great improvement in technology!
And I don't follow Apple products (shocker) but something somewhere has a soldered in battery. I don't care what it is because regardless, it's classic Apple design strategy.
Every iphone for a 3 year period had a screen that was roughly twice as likely to break as the one before it accordingly to actual phone insurance companies.
"A" screen? No, you're confused. The iPhone 4 has a glass back. Two sides that are glass accounts for the increase in dropping causing cracked glass. The screens themselves have not got more prone to cracking.
And in drop tests iPhones were far less breakable than Samsung Galaxy's.
The newest ipad has been officially rated heavier, hotter, and with a worse battery life than the one before it after they improved something that nobody was complaining about (the graphics power and screen res).
Yes, they vastly improved the graphics, to the extent of 4 times as many pixels. The best on the market. And that needs more battery power. Your premise is that if you assess that people aren't complaining about a particular thing it shouldn't be improved? The iPad 3 flew off the shelves. That's the fundamental reason why a year later (with no new iPad released) iPad sales are down.
The antenna problem is yesterdays news. It affected the iPhone 4.
The purple flare is not an issue. No cameraphone camera is flawless. They all have their own artifacts that you will get if you look for them.
These issues are well known BECAUSE they happen on iPhones. And people care about iPhones. That makes them newsworthy. Every other phone manufacturer also has issues with their phones. But they don't make the mainstream geek news because hardly anyone cares.
What it comes down to is that businesses, regardless of actual profit, are largely looked on as weak by investors if they're not showing growth.
Apple did show growth - 1%. That's after about half a year with no new products introduced. And of course there are a large array of things coming up in the fall, you'd have to be a fool to not see the real growth has merely been displaced.
Apple will take a hit because of this.
Stock's higher than it has been in weeks. Even institution investors cannot continue to ignore the growth ahead.
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It's still 56x slower than my class 10 samsung micro SD card that's in my tablet (it's 70MB/s read speed). What a great improvement in technology!
You have to wait whilst it saves to SD card. There's no waiting to save to iCloud. Thats the difference between file system saving and background syncing.
It's not about streaming at home, it's about watching videos when I travel. Airplay doesn't help there, requiring me to bring more stuff, at that point, a large perk over a laptop is lost.
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
no micro-SD port, and no USB port for flash drives
Yeah, your Nexus 7 sure has that iPad beat in those areas. Er wait.
Indeed, those are stupid issues. Partially because of them, I will not be buying Apple in the near future if I can avoid it. However, those problems are pretty much known beforehand (you could argue that the purple flare is a Samsung-ish problem).
That is the funny thing. Mac market share is closer to Linux desktop market share than it is to Windows. Heck, it is only slightly ahead of Vista. It looks the 10%-15% is an inflated number. The numbers I usually see tend to put it in the 7%-8%.
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0
http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201206-201306
Now, there is no doubt that hey are making money on that 7%-8% market share, but claiming that everyone is now buying Macs is pure fantasy.
No, actually... he's referring to the original slashdot review of the iPod.
"No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."
And yes, while accurate on the tech specs, it fails to point out the true difference was the UI, how to load it up (iTunes), etc.
TL;DR - tech specs aren't everything. YOU care about them, but most people just want something that works well.
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You're carrying around additional devices to enable you to use your tablet, undermining one of the main reasons for using a tablet. You're like Taco when he thought an iPod was lame because he happened not to care that other mp3 players with good storage were too big to fit in a pocket. Good for you, but you're kind of clueless as to most people's priorities.
Surely you jest. It is ridden with them. That might have been true a decade ago but today they are more obnoxious than the MS shills and astroturfers used to be. Just check the moderation scores.
Google has no clue when it comes to design, usability and customer needs assessment vs " fill it with geek features the average person won't use."
Bullshit. Google has some of the best usability experts in the market second only to Apple's. They have a lot of people dedicated to this specific task. But sure keep deluding yourself.
Would you like to expound on how a remote storage solution has "no waiting to save" yet a local storage device requires "you to wait whilst it saves to SD card?"
You mean, in the interface? or the actual act of saving?
There is no world where saving to the cloud is anywhere faster than a local storage device, of the types in discussion.
What you mean is that saving to iCloud is done in the background. While you **wait**.
Fuck, they've hardly got any reason to even bother staying in business any more.
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What's interesting about this story, at least for me, is that iPad sales have tanked. Maybe that suggests that Android on tablets has matured somewhat from the early days of few, clunky tablet apps, and that tablets are commodities now too.
No, it rather means that people are finally understanding that a tablet is a novelty.
No. You are being subjective here. What is a novelty for some (you), it is a commodity for others.
The only time I hear someone talking about how great their iPad (or other tablet) is when they are talking about how much their (less than 10 year old) kid enjoys it
So, it is a commodity then. It has a function, though not one that was originally envisioned (and which goes in tandem with typical definitions of marketable products as items with potentially alternative uses.
Also, how many people (ordinary people that is, not of the otaku kind) talk how great their laptop is, or their lawnmower, or car, or I dunno, vibrator? In opposition to your original premise, when things stop being a novelty and yet retain some time of value or alternative usage, then it becomes a commodity, an item that renders some utility and value that you now take for granted and yet you wish to keep.
For me, I rarely use my either laptop or development desktop at home anymore (both development environments with relative powah!). I simply use my tablet to do what I typically used to do with a laptop or computer at home before - consume information, email, facebook, banking, tracking my sells and purchases on ebay, amazon and gunbroker.com, reading my kindle books, etc.
I've also find my internet consumption more productive since the restricted nature of a tablet prevents me from engaging in thread discussions (compared to the rate I used to before I had a tablet.) One thing that certainly has suffered is my rate of producing content (blogging, mostly.)
It is no longer a novelty, and it has become a commodity, and quite an invisible one to say the least. I've seen other people engaging in similar patterns of media consumption with their tablets (be them ipads, galaxy tabs or whatever.)
And I never really talk about how awesome my tablet is. I don't think I ever did even when the technology was just a novelty. People who have tools that they use successfully and transparently for doing things that are now part of their mundane, daily lives, they don't talk about them. That's a fanboi geek trait (from a particular view of geekery), not a trait of general living.
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Apple could move manufacturing to U.S. and pay workers in $50 bucks an hour and still have more than $100 bn. in cash sitting idly in bank.
You have muddled things up a bit. Apple sells hardware with software. Microsoft mostly sells software. I know a lot of colleagues that purchased a MacBook Pro and run Windows 7 on them. They like the build of the Apple laptop but prefer to stick with the same OS as work.
You can actually purchase Apple hardware and still be in the Windows marketshare.
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If you compare a quarter just after a new iPad model was introduced to a quarter where the last new iPad model is anticipated in the near future.
How could it be otherwise? What is interesting or meaningful about that?
They also sell adapters for both of those ports, for those who actually need the "old school" solution.
You have to wait whilst it saves to SD card. There's no waiting to save to iCloud. Thats the difference between file system saving and background syncing.
Please be joking, please be joking..
Let's join hands and pray, my fellow Slashdotters.
Your fanboy rage is showing.
The real story here isn't about the lower revenue or the increase in iPhone sales. The real story here is the drop in iPad sales. in a time where tablets are supposed to be eating the PC's lunch, the iPad is dropping in sales faster than the PC. Why wasn't that the headline?
Does Airplay and iCloud make the user dependant on outside services, or a protocol being ubiquitous? Taking something that already exists and making it seem new is sad. Sorta like when compressed music files became iTunes and sending them over an interweb connection became a podcast... decommoditizing -> Monetization - the new genius. Seems Aapl users are guided into a dependant role whereas connectors (predictable ones like HDMI and USB) guide a user into a more adaptable usage. Did they really need to change the base connector? How did that make everyone feel? Sure the predictability of the iOS experience is tightly controlled, and perhaps is more stable, but, co-opetition is better for an evolving ecosystem. Having replaced the earphone jack on iPhone 4s, I've not been impressed by the Design-for-manufacture. Modularity could be much better. Might Android be buggier? Shame on Googles development process. Is seems like another Cathedral vs. Bazaar story...
Time for a new Political party in the US (or two!) One is off the rails Other cant pony up a leader.
About half of them, actually.
Still, many non-geeks work in these organizations and are behind the decision to purchase PCs over Macs.
That is going to be a very small number and just hopeful thinking to think that it is affecting the numbers in any statistically significant number.
Normally I would immediately agree, but haven't you seen a college class room lately? Guess what the students are using.
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Probably the most impressive thing about the report was that mac sales were flat...which doesn't seem impressive until you realize how much the rest of the industry is shrinking.
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Wow! Background syncing gives you instant access to 1Mbps video stored in iCloud when your network is giving you 10 kbps?
I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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It's no joke. What I said is absolutely correct.
You seem to be confused between save and load.
Save is instantaneous. Load is instantaneous. Save on one device and then load on another isn't. It's good engineering, not magic.
About half is an awful lot. And typically the IT dept is full of geeks. They're the ones that typically advise management.
Though of course management often ignore the geeks.
But can't watch 1 mbps movie when getting 10 kbps data rate, despite your attempts to skirt the issue.
Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
iCloud is a syncing service. If it's on iCloud it's also on your device. So of course there's no bandwidth barrier to watching said movie.
And the 64 gb micro SD card is NOT a synchronizing service. It actually increases the amount of data that can be addressed without "killing " the data transfer quotas most mobile connections have. Which was being discussed before you butted in. Read the context, idiot : http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4011029&cid=44370439
Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
And the 64 gb micro SD card is NOT a synchronizing service.
Now you've got it.
It actually increases the amount of data that can be addressed without "killing " the data transfer quotas most mobile connections have.
By default it works when you have a wifi connection. Perhaps you should find this stuff out before you post your false complaints.
Which was being discussed before you butted in. Read the context, idiot
I was neither replying to that post, nor to any post of yours. If anyone is butting in, it's you. And it's ill-informed butting in at that.
It's called context. Do look it up sometime.
Meanwhile, SD cards are usable when outside range of wifi (even cellular) . "iCloud" is not. So your statement that one has to wait for saving to SD card is idiotic because even before that one has to wait for wifi (or cellular data) . But mentioning that would get your shill salary deducted.
Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
Meanwhile, SD cards are usable when outside range of wifi (even cellular) . "iCloud" is not.
Yes it is. Again, that's the nature of syncing. You didn't take the advice to look stuff up before you make an ass of yourself.
So your statement that one has to wait for saving to SD card is idiotic because even before that one has to wait for wifi (or cellular data)
No, that's when the syncing updates happen. It's not when you have access to the data.
Fundamentally, the whole concept of trying to compare saving to external flash to a syncing service is stupid. The kind of ill-informed bollocks Android fanboys come up with.
And what is more, you completely ignored "download" part when saying one has to wait for data to be stored TO micro SD card. Speed of micro SD card is much higher than most internet connections in both directions - upload and download. For download, the device HAS to wait for iCloud - like I said, to play 1 mbps movie.
But again, you have to do it for your shill salary.
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http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4011029&cid=44384797
Lack of expandable storage in certain classes of devices causes people to think of horrible workarounds - e.g. using iCloud to replace SD cards. Which is what started the discussion and which is the very basis of this discussion. So while stupidly impractical, iCloud as a replacement of SD cards will remain the underlying topic.
If you did not read the thread context, ask your shill manager to deduct your salary.
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Again, that's the nature of syncing
And yes, that is the nature of this thread - the stupid comparison between SD cards and iCloud. You didn't take the advice to keep up with the discussion subject before butting in.
So access to the data that is NOT on device memory when needed is being discussed. In one case it is acquired from iCloud, and from the SD card in the other case.
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And yes, that is the nature of this thread - the stupid comparison between SD cards and iCloud
Then stop comparing them.
So access to the data that is NOT on device memory when needed is being discussed. In one case it is acquired from iCloud, and from the SD card in the other case.
No, it's NOT acquired from iCloud. How many more times? It's a sync service. It's NOT a download service.
Just stop trying to discuss a technology you don't understand.
Then stop comparing them.
You are replying to a thread of which the BASIS is the comparison between iCloud and SD card. Got it? Stop comparing them yourself, by saying "You have to wait whilst it saves to SD card. There's no waiting to save to iCloud". Then get the hell out of the thread if you still think they are not comparable.
No, it's NOT acquired from iCloud. How many more times? It's a sync service. It's NOT a download service.
1. Put data on one device.
2. Sync to iCloud
3. Re-download to another device. *IT IS ACQUIRED FROM ICLOUD*
Download speed limited to wifi-speed / cellular / whatever.
Comparison to micro SD card was made as a similar data flow exists there too (although million times more convenient, and much faster)
1. Put data on SD card
2. Watch movie directly from SD card as it supports 70 Mbps.
Sync cannot happen without a possibility of download.
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If it's on iCloud it's also on your device
No, it at least once was on at least one of my devices.
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1. Put data on one device.
2. Sync to iCloud
3. Re-download to another device. *IT IS ACQUIRED FROM ICLOUD*
Download speed limited to wifi-speed / cellular / whatever.
Comparison to micro SD card was made as a similar data flow exists there too (although million times more convenient, and much faster)
1. Put data on SD card
2. Watch movie directly from SD card as it supports 70 Mbps.
You quote the degenerate case of sync, where you have one device with a file and you want it on another immediately. Obviously the entire file needs transmitting. That does not mean that iCloud is a download service.
Further more you compound the stupidity of your blow by blow comparison, you've entirely left off tha fact that in the equivalent scenario you have to remove the back of each of the two Android devices, and take the SD_card out of one and put it in the other.
Sync cannot happen without a possibility of download.
... in the degenerate case only. Sync doesn't require entire files to be transferred. Only the changed parts. In the case of a new movie, that will be the entire file. But the degenerate case is not what defines what a thing is.
And in the normal case happens without you noticing. Because it happens without you needing to ask for the download. The sync service has already done it for you.
None of this happens in with SD-cards. You've talking manual downloads, and sneaker-net. Other than capacity, nothing more advanced than transferring files with a 1970s floppy disk.
Chalk and cheese comparison.
You quote the degenerate case of sync, where you have one device with a file and you want it on another immediately
Not immediately after putting it on one device. But immediately before (say) watching the movie.
Further more you compound the stupidity of your blow by blow comparison, you've entirely left off tha fact that in the equivalent scenario you have to remove the back of each of the two Android devices, and take the SD_card out of one and put it in the other.
No, SD card is mostly part of the same device. Just that you get much bigger storage capacity than without SD card. For which capacity one would need to use iCloud in the degenerate case on some SD-card-less devices.
But the degenerate case is not what defines what a thing is.
Just FYI, this is not a "define iCloud" shill training session going on. No one attempted to "define" iCloud here.
So far you were maintaining there is no download happening. Now when that didn't work, this becomes a "degenerate" case? This is the topic of this discussion, whether degenerate or not. Go to some other thread which has the topic "define iCloud".
And in the normal case happens without you noticing. Because it happens without you needing to ask for the download. The sync service has already done it for you.
Thank god it has decided which movie I want to watch. The choice might have killed me.
None of this happens in with SD-cards.
Yes, store the movie when you have it, watch the movie when you want to.
Other than capacity,
Yes, other than the topic being discussed, your post is applicable to everything else.
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No. No, it wasn't.
So you're editing a file.
You press: 'save'.
Which leads to the device saving the file from memory to SD-card.
Which can be performed in the background, just like 'saving to [cloud service]'
Remember that you are defending iCloud as a replacement for an SD-card (which is pretty fucking ridiculous to begin with, but let's not get into that).
Now when that didn't work, this becomes a "degenerate" case?
http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=degenerate+case&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&redir_esc=&ei=I7nyUdXMBsGrhAfE94H4Dw&safe=strict
For which capacity one would need to use iCloud in the degenerate case on some SD-card-less devices.
Again, you demonstrate you still don't know what iCloud is. It's NOT extra capacity. Not even in your misunderstanding of what degenerate case means.
Remember that you are defending iCloud as a replacement for an SD-card (which is pretty fucking ridiculous to begin with, but let's not get into that).
That's precisely the opposite of what I'm doing.
Exactly, it's not giving "extra" capacity. But you have to butt in like an idiot and compare it to an SD card which DOES give extra capacity, by saying that one has to "wait" for files to go into SD card, and not for saving to iCloud.
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It's like saying one has to wait for a phone call to go through from an iPhone, but no waiting is required if you use cow-dung instead of iPhone.
True but idiotic in the context.
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Exactly, it's not giving "extra" capacity.
Finally you understand.
But you have to butt in like an idiot
As already established, the thread shows clearly if anyone "butted in", it was you. And on a topic you know nothing about.
As has been proven, it was YOU who had no clue iCloud could download to the device, you repeated it many times until I informed you. You seem to be a beginner shill - still being taught the "definition" of iCloud so you are fixated on definition.
And it was YOU who (continued to) compare SD card and iCloud by stating just one difference between them (have to wait! huh!)
And it is still YOU who does not understand the context of the thread - you replied to a reply of (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4011029&cid=44384797), which not only compared but equated, falsely, SD card and iCloud. Your reply was to a post made in that context - the false equality of SD card and iCloud.
And of course, quoting my next sentence would cause deduction from your shill salary as it amounts to confessing being idiotic, wrong and unable to follow simple discussions. So you didn't quote it, without affecting these traits of yourself, of course.
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As has been proven, it was YOU who had no clue iCloud could download to the device, you repeated it many times until I informed you.
You don't download with iCloud. It syncs. In the degenerate case that may mean an entire file. It's implementation might be a background download in that case. But you are not downloading.
But you've demonstrated over and over again that all you have is lack of knowledge of the topic and a bunch of insults.
Clearly nothing is going to educate you about it because you are being wilful in your misunderstanding.
Your posts are worthless, so bye.
You don't download with iCloud. It syncs
Sync sometimes involves data coming towards a device. Educated people call it "download". When you move to second shill class, they might tell this to you.
It's implementation might be a background download in that case. But you are not downloading.
I never said "I" or "you" am or are downloading (explicitly). Read again.Even in the last post, I said "iCloud could download (the file) to the device". Download happens, as you now admit.
Your posts are worthless, so bye.
You've been proven wrong so many times, it is pitiful. Send your supervisor shill.
I know you shills just HAVE to come in - but this was extreme. While asking me to stop comparing iCloud to SD card -you are yourself comparing them. Hope they fire you soon - much better shills have been sent to Slashdot.
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