Encryption can beat this, but should it have to? Now we've got to throw a lot of computing power at a problem just to get around our nominally "common carriers."
The problem is, if the common carriers can get at it, there's a good chance your next door neighbor, and any Russian programmer, Chinese government lackey, script kiddie, and disgruntled ex-telco employee can as well (and I'll wager there's quite a few of those). Have you not been paying attention to the incredible number of compromised machines there are out there running "bots"? Such botnets are capable of sniffing traffic from just about anywhere on the net. Given all that, the fact that we're still transmitting most things unencrypted continues to astound me...
I doubt that "plausible deniability" is as simple as that-- for example, suppose you set up a bogus partition to "reveal" if you get hit up for a key. You put some files that you could claim you have some reason to protect but that aren't illegal. Then you go on your merry way storing your bad stuff in the real partition you plan to use. A year later you get arrested. They then ask you for your key and you give them the wrong one. But they then they produce a witness that saw you access the device 6 months ago, but the latest datestamp in the bogus partition is a year old, thus providing some evidence that you're misrepresenting the facts. And keeping a bogus partition up to date with believable stuff could be a lot of work and have a lot of potential for error. At the very least you'd want to be switching to it periodically and doing real stuff on it so that it appears to be relatively current. In fact, I would say that any time you access the secure partition you should immediately follow it up by switching to the bogus partition and doing some benign stuff on it-- and even THEN, the right piece of information might still be enough to foil your scheme.
I would think that a serious system with plausible deniability would need tools like, for example, a word processor that, while you're editing that ransom note you in parallel compose a letter to your grandma. They are both stored encrypted together in the same file with some sort of dual-key methodology. For every illegal action you take, the system creates a corresponding benign action as a masquerade. IMHO much more trouble to use than it's worth, though I personally have no conspiratorial visions of grandeur, so YMMV...
You obviously have to factor in what adverse effects the waste products have on the environment. The problem is that with nuclear, the time scale for potential adverse effects is spread WAY OUT compared to non-nuclear energy sources. That time scale is so distributed out that there seems to be a marked tendency to just say "we'll just dump it into Yucca mountain (or equivalent)," and proceed to act like there ARE no adverse effects and consequently nuclear is really "clean".
And certainly, if you're expecting to be carted off by the rapture any day now you couldn't care less about very long time scales, something that the rapture enraptured seem to have a specific problem with comprehending anyway...
Imagine a new breed of shoulder speedbumps that when you run over them, cause the sound to be emitted from the vibration of someone saying "wake up idiot, you're drifting off the road". Then again, I can imagine some morons thinking it's funny to drive really fast just so they can hear it spoken at chipmunk speed...
I never put ANYTHING under "Documents and Settings." What I'd LIKE to see is for them to make sure that you can easily override the default storage directories for each application (and so that each can have their own), as many of them annoy the hell out of me when they insist on pulling up the My Documents folder and force me to manually navigate to where I actually keep the files. While I may not always keep a given apps things in the same directory (I tend to be more project oriented, rather than file-type oriented), the one place I can guarantee I don't want to keep stuff is the exact place that some applications will take me to ever time the file selector is used. I organize my stuff in a completely different way and the whole "My Documents"/"Documents and Settings" paradigm simply sucks IMHO-- putting Email in there is just rearranging the deck chairs...
Are you kidding? That's why when I was a kid, I always read DC comics, as the Marvel ones always had the cliffhanger-- rather than lock me IN to the story as was intended, that always locked me OUT because it was an obvious ploy and I would be left hanging and I really hate that. Once in awhile the DC stories would have a 3 or 4 issue story, but they would usually tell you in advance and it wasn't hard to get the whole group-- most stories were self contained so you didn't get something incomplete and/or out of context-- and when I was a kid I had a tight comic book budget so I couldn't get every issue if I wanted it...
Don't forget that the media market has not been a level playing field for a very long time. Britney Spears didn't become popular because the marketplace heard her and said "hey, we like that, give us more." Britney became popular because a large corporation who with a few other large corporations completely control the non-internet marketplace, decided to hype Britney into popularity. This was done at the expense of many other talented artists who were never heard at all by the public. These corporations have essentially decided what music is "good for us."
Piracy is a means far more effective than boycott of undermining the control of the media corporations that are harming large numbers of independent artists by pushing them off of the shelves via their market tactics, some of which are specifically illegal (payola) but they get away with it because they have money and media access with which to attract government corruption. Under such a system, the musical talent "cream" does not rise to the top, only the marketing and market control talent "cream". Piracy is more effective than boycott as it doesn't require that one deprive themselves in the process, and makes the material more generally available, useful for those who don't otherwise know how to pirate it (or fear getting caught).
In quite a few areas (patents and copyrights is actually the most benign of them), it's clear that government is no longer working for the people, largely due to an ignorant or oblivious populace who have been convinced that their choice is between two corrupt pro-corporate parties, neither of which seem to be working for them. Piracy is one of the few powers that individuals have over the big corporations, and frankly, I can't blame people for seizing the opportunity and using it to the hilt.
But, personally, piracy is not my cup of tea. If it is yours, more power to you. For a variety of reasons though, I chose to go another route to fight the system. I do in fact, enjoy quite a bit of media, but I do it all legally (to the best of my knowledge anyway, IANAL). I buy things used, I sell things used, I check them out at libraries, I trade them with friends. I also refuse to buy any sort of digital download because there can be no legal second-hand market for it. I also download a lot of free music on the internet as there is a lot of it out there though it can take a little digging to find stuff you may actually want to listen to.
I also make some of my own musical compositions available, completely free-- I'm on several of the music sites out there but never utilize any access restrictions on content (fortunately I have a day job). Even given a level playing field it's doubtful that I'd rise up far enough to stay afloat, but the idea that the majors are somehow doing us a favor by screening out crappy music that we wouldn't want to listen to anyway is totally laughable-- most of what I've found most interesting to listen to in the last several decades has been unsigned bands and other independents, and I'm not adverse to paying list price for that sort of thing when I can get it directly from the band itself.
And as I am attempting to do here, I counter the bogus moralistic anti-piracy arguments cited by shills and the ignorant or brainwashed. My methodology may not be quite as effective a weapon as piracy, but I feel it is better than just rolling over and suckling at the corporate teat.
And to those of you who have made their living in music and are now complaining that you can't make that living anymore-- I have only one thing to say-- GET A JOB LIKE THE REST OF US, BUM!
Actually, the majority of eligible Americans didn't vote AT ALL in either the 2000 or 2004 election. The idea of a "popular vote" has essentially become a vote only by those frightened or pissed-off enough to actually go to the polls. Consequently, what America has is the leaders you would expect it to have under those circumstances. And until these leaders screw up enough to start threatening those non-voters ability to pick up a 6-pack, order a pizza and watch TV, things aren't gonna change. But take heart, at the rate they're going at it, you won't have to wait much longer...
Oh, and here's another one. Change your name to JOHN SMITH and name your kids things like Mary, Jane, William, etc.. Make sure you have the most COMMON name in HISTORY...
The solution is to have TOO MUCH information about you, mostly incorrect. Your favorite books are The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren and the God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. You like to watch the PTL Club and the spice channel. You're a registered Republican but you always vote for Democrats. You're a member of the Sierra Club and the NRA. You're 25 years old and belong to AARP.
They may know where you live and where you work, but good luck figuring out what you think.
The next question is of course, what tools would make this easier? Posting autobots that post as you to hundreds of forums, newsgroups and chat rooms with opinions that are all over the map? Arrange to buy stuff for your luddite friends on the internet in order to build up a huge database of products you buy, little of which you actually use or have any interest in? Arrange to live in each others houses?
If they want information, GIVE IT TO THEM. Bury them in it. The only real means they have of verifying or correcting any of it is to do the legwork they should be doing in the first place instead of relying on a technological solution. We're talking about large bureaucracies, and they're becoming cyber-slackers. Give the beast some gibberish to chew on for awhile, and provide the haystack to hide the needle in...
I didn't know that-- thanks for the tip. I just found that at least with Gmail, this trick runs afowl of the Firefox popup blocker, so I added mail.google.com as an exception. I then see that it doesn't open up fullscreen-- mildly annoying but not as annoying as not having a way to open it up in a new window. Also, the window doesn't have the menus & buttons-- another minor annoyance-- I'd still prefer to set it up so that it defaulted to "Basic HTML" if I had that option...
The problem is, companies are cheap. Developers should have their own network that they can do whatever they bloody like with (IT dept. hands-off), and it should be isolated from the corporate network. But that means they need two machines, one with their corp email & IM and office tools & the like, and one that they actually develop on in their own sandbox...
As Liebling said, "Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one."
The thing is, the market for owning a press recently crashed, and some of these guys who paid a whole lot for theirs are pissed off about it. They want to claim essentially, that just because they had to pay millions of dollars for their press, that they have more right to speak than you who got one via a free blogging account.
I'm not using Opera, but I prefer the "Basic HTML" version-- for one, I can right-click "open link in new window" which I prefer to do when reading messages. I like a complete new browser window when I read a message. I just wish I could make "Basic HTML" the default so I don't have to click on it every time...
The guy missed the memo. When you want to buy something and need to see how it works in person first, such as a digital camera or other complex device, you go to Best Buy and try it out thoroughly in the store. Then once you've decided on what model you want, you go home and shop for the best price on the internet, carefully checking the reviews of the sellers you would buy from (often, after a little shopping you find there are several reliable sellers with the best price/review combinations, such as Newegg or Tiger Direct. Then, if you get a brick in the mail, you return it and/or use credit card chargeback, just as you would have to do at Best Buy.
Noone I know actually *buys* stuff at Best Buy, their customer service policies are worse than the typical internet store, and you can't really tell if anything is priced at a good deal unless you've done an incredible amount of research first (and if you have, you will likely find that Best Buy's price isn't the best deal). Also, a lot of stuff is open box "this is the last one" etc., where you may not be getting the device complete and in good condition.
Now while it's true that one of the reasons Best Buy's customer service is so crappy is that cutting corners there is their way of compensating for the fact that they have become the showroom for the internet for many people and are barely affording the brick & mortar plus staffing and can't inflate the prices any more, but they need to get with the program. A better choice would be to set up their stores with demos of everything, actually *bill* themselves as the "showroom for the internet" and charge admission to get to see products that you can't see in person online. IMHO they'd have a better chance of staying afloat. As it is, I don't expect them to be around very long...
Another decade or so, after AT&T/Verizon/Sprint have all merged again and widened our collective sphincters a good couple of inches, maybe the governemtn will break them up and we'll start the whole cycle again.
Not likely-- the US government would prefer they did all merge, as it's then one-stop-shopping for the NSA. The US gov. would hate to have communications turn into a wild-west show of free market enterprise, as that could impede their wiretapping progress...
Law enforcement setting up camera devices that trigger at the scent of pot smoke.
High School bathrooms that do the same with tobacco.
I want to put a budget one outside my window to turn on a light when it detects my friendly neighborhood skunk (skunks don't like the light)-- as he rather likes the grubs that hang out in the patch of moss under my window. Right now when I'm woken up at 3AM by the pungent smell, I have to turn on the light manually...
I've also seen lots of scientists who talk about "genes" and the "gene for feature x" and "gene for feature y" as if each gene works in isolation to produce a single feature-- I think it's pretty clear that some genes contribute to a large series of features in combination with many other genes such that the effect of a single gene may not be as simple as turning on or off a single "feature." I don't seem to hear things like "gene G contributes to features X, Y and Z, in conjunction with gene D (with feature X), gene E (with feature Y) and genes H and J (with feature Z), though it seems likely that such complicated relationships exist.
I'm sure Microsoft would be perfectly willing to submit some convoluted standard with the name "open" in it that contains a lot of specifications like "render this element just like IE4.0 does" in it...
I hear that. I get all of my snail mail to a PO box and usually just let my street mailbox fill up with the crap-- a few years ago the postman finally got the message and stopped stuffing it, even when it was empty unless a lone letter actually addressed to me appeared (I had a hard time convincing the DWP to send bills to my PO box). So for a couple of years I had no spam in my street mailboxand it was great! Then I heard recently that the postal service got dinged from someone for not delivering junk mail and now it's filling up my street box again. I just let it fill though. I don't own the place or I'd remove the street box entirely (the DWP's online payment service finally allowed me to enter my PO box as the billing address, so I fixed that problem). Or at least, connect it directly to a trashbin.
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Encryption can beat this, but should it have to? Now we've got to throw a lot of computing power at a problem just to get around our nominally "common carriers."
The problem is, if the common carriers can get at it, there's a good chance your next door neighbor, and any Russian programmer, Chinese government lackey, script kiddie, and disgruntled ex-telco employee can as well (and I'll wager there's quite a few of those). Have you not been paying attention to the incredible number of compromised machines there are out there running "bots"? Such botnets are capable of sniffing traffic from just about anywhere on the net. Given all that, the fact that we're still transmitting most things unencrypted continues to astound me...
Not as fast, eh? Time to check the relays for moths...
I doubt that "plausible deniability" is as simple as that-- for example, suppose you set up a bogus partition to "reveal" if you get hit up for a key. You put some files that you could claim you have some reason to protect but that aren't illegal. Then you go on your merry way storing your bad stuff in the real partition you plan to use. A year later you get arrested. They then ask you for your key and you give them the wrong one. But they then they produce a witness that saw you access the device 6 months ago, but the latest datestamp in the bogus partition is a year old, thus providing some evidence that you're misrepresenting the facts. And keeping a bogus partition up to date with believable stuff could be a lot of work and have a lot of potential for error. At the very least you'd want to be switching to it periodically and doing real stuff on it so that it appears to be relatively current. In fact, I would say that any time you access the secure partition you should immediately follow it up by switching to the bogus partition and doing some benign stuff on it-- and even THEN, the right piece of information might still be enough to foil your scheme.
I would think that a serious system with plausible deniability would need tools like, for example, a word processor that, while you're editing that ransom note you in parallel compose a letter to your grandma. They are both stored encrypted together in the same file with some sort of dual-key methodology. For every illegal action you take, the system creates a corresponding benign action as a masquerade. IMHO much more trouble to use than it's worth, though I personally have no conspiratorial visions of grandeur, so YMMV...
You obviously have to factor in what adverse effects the waste products have on the environment. The problem is that with nuclear, the time scale for potential adverse effects is spread WAY OUT compared to non-nuclear energy sources. That time scale is so distributed out that there seems to be a marked tendency to just say "we'll just dump it into Yucca mountain (or equivalent)," and proceed to act like there ARE no adverse effects and consequently nuclear is really "clean".
And certainly, if you're expecting to be carted off by the rapture any day now you couldn't care less about very long time scales, something that the rapture enraptured seem to have a specific problem with comprehending anyway...
Imagine a new breed of shoulder speedbumps that when you run over them, cause the sound to be emitted from the vibration of someone saying "wake up idiot, you're drifting off the road". Then again, I can imagine some morons thinking it's funny to drive really fast just so they can hear it spoken at chipmunk speed...
I never put ANYTHING under "Documents and Settings." What I'd LIKE to see is for them to make sure that you can easily override the default storage directories for each application (and so that each can have their own), as many of them annoy the hell out of me when they insist on pulling up the My Documents folder and force me to manually navigate to where I actually keep the files. While I may not always keep a given apps things in the same directory (I tend to be more project oriented, rather than file-type oriented), the one place I can guarantee I don't want to keep stuff is the exact place that some applications will take me to ever time the file selector is used. I organize my stuff in a completely different way and the whole "My Documents"/"Documents and Settings" paradigm simply sucks IMHO-- putting Email in there is just rearranging the deck chairs...
Are you kidding? That's why when I was a kid, I always read DC comics, as the Marvel ones always had the cliffhanger-- rather than lock me IN to the story as was intended, that always locked me OUT because it was an obvious ploy and I would be left hanging and I really hate that. Once in awhile the DC stories would have a 3 or 4 issue story, but they would usually tell you in advance and it wasn't hard to get the whole group-- most stories were self contained so you didn't get something incomplete and/or out of context-- and when I was a kid I had a tight comic book budget so I couldn't get every issue if I wanted it...
Steal this MP3...
Don't forget that the media market has not been a level playing field for a very long time. Britney Spears didn't become popular because the marketplace heard her and said "hey, we like that, give us more." Britney became popular because a large corporation who with a few other large corporations completely control the non-internet marketplace, decided to hype Britney into popularity. This was done at the expense of many other talented artists who were never heard at all by the public. These corporations have essentially decided what music is "good for us."
Piracy is a means far more effective than boycott of undermining the control of the media corporations that are harming large numbers of independent artists by pushing them off of the shelves via their market tactics, some of which are specifically illegal (payola) but they get away with it because they have money and media access with which to attract government corruption. Under such a system, the musical talent "cream" does not rise to the top, only the marketing and market control talent "cream". Piracy is more effective than boycott as it doesn't require that one deprive themselves in the process, and makes the material more generally available, useful for those who don't otherwise know how to pirate it (or fear getting caught).
In quite a few areas (patents and copyrights is actually the most benign of them), it's clear that government is no longer working for the people, largely due to an ignorant or oblivious populace who have been convinced that their choice is between two corrupt pro-corporate parties, neither of which seem to be working for them. Piracy is one of the few powers that individuals have over the big corporations, and frankly, I can't blame people for seizing the opportunity and using it to the hilt.
But, personally, piracy is not my cup of tea. If it is yours, more power to you. For a variety of reasons though, I chose to go another route to fight the system. I do in fact, enjoy quite a bit of media, but I do it all legally (to the best of my knowledge anyway, IANAL). I buy things used, I sell things used, I check them out at libraries, I trade them with friends. I also refuse to buy any sort of digital download because there can be no legal second-hand market for it. I also download a lot of free music on the internet as there is a lot of it out there though it can take a little digging to find stuff you may actually want to listen to.
I also make some of my own musical compositions available, completely free-- I'm on several of the music sites out there but never utilize any access restrictions on content (fortunately I have a day job). Even given a level playing field it's doubtful that I'd rise up far enough to stay afloat, but the idea that the majors are somehow doing us a favor by screening out crappy music that we wouldn't want to listen to anyway is totally laughable-- most of what I've found most interesting to listen to in the last several decades has been unsigned bands and other independents, and I'm not adverse to paying list price for that sort of thing when I can get it directly from the band itself.
And as I am attempting to do here, I counter the bogus moralistic anti-piracy arguments cited by shills and the ignorant or brainwashed. My methodology may not be quite as effective a weapon as piracy, but I feel it is better than just rolling over and suckling at the corporate teat.
And to those of you who have made their living in music and are now complaining that you can't make that living anymore-- I have only one thing to say-- GET A JOB LIKE THE REST OF US, BUM!
Actually, the majority of eligible Americans didn't vote AT ALL in either the 2000 or 2004 election. The idea of a "popular vote" has essentially become a vote only by those frightened or pissed-off enough to actually go to the polls. Consequently, what America has is the leaders you would expect it to have under those circumstances. And until these leaders screw up enough to start threatening those non-voters ability to pick up a 6-pack, order a pizza and watch TV, things aren't gonna change. But take heart, at the rate they're going at it, you won't have to wait much longer...
Oh, and here's another one. Change your name to JOHN SMITH and name your kids things like Mary, Jane, William, etc.. Make sure you have the most COMMON name in HISTORY...
The solution is to have TOO MUCH information about you, mostly incorrect. Your favorite books are The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren and the God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. You like to watch the PTL Club and the spice channel. You're a registered Republican but you always vote for Democrats. You're a member of the Sierra Club and the NRA. You're 25 years old and belong to AARP.
They may know where you live and where you work, but good luck figuring out what you think.
The next question is of course, what tools would make this easier? Posting autobots that post as you to hundreds of forums, newsgroups and chat rooms with opinions that are all over the map? Arrange to buy stuff for your luddite friends on the internet in order to build up a huge database of products you buy, little of which you actually use or have any interest in? Arrange to live in each others houses?
If they want information, GIVE IT TO THEM. Bury them in it. The only real means they have of verifying or correcting any of it is to do the legwork they should be doing in the first place instead of relying on a technological solution. We're talking about large bureaucracies, and they're becoming cyber-slackers. Give the beast some gibberish to chew on for awhile, and provide the haystack to hide the needle in...
I didn't know that-- thanks for the tip. I just found that at least with Gmail, this trick runs afowl of the Firefox popup blocker, so I added mail.google.com as an exception. I then see that it doesn't open up fullscreen-- mildly annoying but not as annoying as not having a way to open it up in a new window. Also, the window doesn't have the menus & buttons-- another minor annoyance-- I'd still prefer to set it up so that it defaulted to "Basic HTML" if I had that option...
A couple more of these should *really* light a fire under patent reform legislation...
The problem is, companies are cheap. Developers should have their own network that they can do whatever they bloody like with (IT dept. hands-off), and it should be isolated from the corporate network. But that means they need two machines, one with their corp email & IM and office tools & the like, and one that they actually develop on in their own sandbox...
As Liebling said, "Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one."
The thing is, the market for owning a press recently crashed, and some of these guys who paid a whole lot for theirs are pissed off about it. They want to claim essentially, that just because they had to pay millions of dollars for their press, that they have more right to speak than you who got one via a free blogging account.
Sour grapes.
...due to the hope it would provide an open alternative. But "open" and "Verizon"? Yeah, right...
I'm not using Opera, but I prefer the "Basic HTML" version-- for one, I can right-click "open link in new window" which I prefer to do when reading messages. I like a complete new browser window when I read a message. I just wish I could make "Basic HTML" the default so I don't have to click on it every time...
The guy missed the memo. When you want to buy something and need to see how it works in person first, such as a digital camera or other complex device, you go to Best Buy and try it out thoroughly in the store. Then once you've decided on what model you want, you go home and shop for the best price on the internet, carefully checking the reviews of the sellers you would buy from (often, after a little shopping you find there are several reliable sellers with the best price/review combinations, such as Newegg or Tiger Direct. Then, if you get a brick in the mail, you return it and/or use credit card chargeback, just as you would have to do at Best Buy.
Noone I know actually *buys* stuff at Best Buy, their customer service policies are worse than the typical internet store, and you can't really tell if anything is priced at a good deal unless you've done an incredible amount of research first (and if you have, you will likely find that Best Buy's price isn't the best deal). Also, a lot of stuff is open box "this is the last one" etc., where you may not be getting the device complete and in good condition.
Now while it's true that one of the reasons Best Buy's customer service is so crappy is that cutting corners there is their way of compensating for the fact that they have become the showroom for the internet for many people and are barely affording the brick & mortar plus staffing and can't inflate the prices any more, but they need to get with the program. A better choice would be to set up their stores with demos of everything, actually *bill* themselves as the "showroom for the internet" and charge admission to get to see products that you can't see in person online. IMHO they'd have a better chance of staying afloat. As it is, I don't expect them to be around very long...
Another decade or so, after AT&T/Verizon/Sprint have all merged again and widened our collective sphincters a good couple of inches, maybe the governemtn will break them up and we'll start the whole cycle again.
Not likely-- the US government would prefer they did all merge, as it's then one-stop-shopping for the NSA. The US gov. would hate to have communications turn into a wild-west show of free market enterprise, as that could impede their wiretapping progress...
Law enforcement setting up camera devices that trigger at the scent of pot smoke.
High School bathrooms that do the same with tobacco.
I want to put a budget one outside my window to turn on a light when it detects my friendly neighborhood skunk (skunks don't like the light)-- as he rather likes the grubs that hang out in the patch of moss under my window. Right now when I'm woken up at 3AM by the pungent smell, I have to turn on the light manually...
Seems to me, either you find something to be believable or you don't, you don't *choose* whether you believe or not.
I've also seen lots of scientists who talk about "genes" and the "gene for feature x" and "gene for feature y" as if each gene works in isolation to produce a single feature-- I think it's pretty clear that some genes contribute to a large series of features in combination with many other genes such that the effect of a single gene may not be as simple as turning on or off a single "feature." I don't seem to hear things like "gene G contributes to features X, Y and Z, in conjunction with gene D (with feature X), gene E (with feature Y) and genes H and J (with feature Z), though it seems likely that such complicated relationships exist.
I'm sure Microsoft would be perfectly willing to submit some convoluted standard with the name "open" in it that contains a lot of specifications like "render this element just like IE4.0 does" in it...
Good point-- how about setting up a "waiting period" for getting a domain name?
I hear that. I get all of my snail mail to a PO box and usually just let my street mailbox fill up with the crap-- a few years ago the postman finally got the message and stopped stuffing it, even when it was empty unless a lone letter actually addressed to me appeared (I had a hard time convincing the DWP to send bills to my PO box). So for a couple of years I had no spam in my street mailboxand it was great! Then I heard recently that the postal service got dinged from someone for not delivering junk mail and now it's filling up my street box again. I just let it fill though. I don't own the place or I'd remove the street box entirely (the DWP's online payment service finally allowed me to enter my PO box as the billing address, so I fixed that problem). Or at least, connect it directly to a trashbin.