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Spam Hits 95% of All Email

An anonymous reader writes "Commtouch released its Email Threats Trend Report based on the automated analysis of billions of email messages weekly. The report examines the appearance of new kinds of attachment spamsuch as PDF spam and Excel spam together with the decline of image spam, as well as the growing threat of innocent appearing spam containing links to malicious web sites. Image spam declined to a level of less than 5% of all spam, down from 30% in the first quarter of 2007; also, image pump-and-dump spam has all but disappeared, with pornographic images taking its place."

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  1. Summary only link by Lord+Grey · · Score: 5, Informative

    The link referenced in the posting goes to a summary page that is a little light on details. At the bottom of that page is a link to the PDF-formatted report. There's a lot more information there, including some screenshots of example SPAM and malware sites, trends in attack vectors, zombie systems, etc.. Interesting stuff.

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    1. Re:Summary only link by speaker+of+the+truth · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Considering this is the land of the goatse posts and I've never heard of commtech before, how do I know this isn't a virus PDF?

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    2. Re:Summary only link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      isn't posting PDF links on /. a form of bacn?

    3. Re:Summary only link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      I'll test it out for you. Downloading the file... opening it.... oh crap!
      don't open the fi

      HAHAHAHA DISREGARD THAT.
      I SUCK DICKS.

    4. Re:Summary only link by value_added · · Score: 1
      There's a lot more information there, including some screenshots of example SPAM and malware sites, trends in attack vectors, zombie systems, etc.. Interesting stuff.

      Indeed, though as a mutt user, I feel left out.

      Seriously, though, I had no idea spam could be so colourful and attractive looking. All I get is random ascii. If I'm lucky, I may see something like (altered to protect the click-happy) the following:

      You can pick up your postcard at the following web address:
      [1]http://xm190.internetdsl.tpnet.pl/~test/foo/bar/card.exe

    5. Re:Summary only link by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Funny
      From the article:"... image pump-and-dump spam has all but disappeared, with pornographic images taking its place."

      I dunno....I thought "pump-and-dump" was another word for "pornographic images"....

      :-)

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    6. Re:Summary only link by mikael · · Score: 1

      Isn't there a proxy server somewhere that could convert PDF back to the equivalent HTML?

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    7. Re:Summary only link by nschubach · · Score: 1

      Sometimes the editors miss the important stuff and post links to sites with less than meaningful content. If the actual data behind the story is more informative, then yes. Seriously. I wish some other sites had that kind of feature. I hate clicking through four sites just to get to the source of the information because someone wants to get hits.

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    8. Re:Summary only link by hodet · · Score: 1

      or just search the link in google and use the View As HTML option if it really worries you.

    9. Re:Summary only link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Parent is not trolling. It is a reasonably clever reference to this.

      No, I'm not the parent poster.

    10. Re:Summary only link by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1

      Considering this is the land of the goatse posts and I've never heard of commtech before, how do I know this isn't a virus PDF?

      Because it's the same link used in TFA.

      Now, mind you, on rare occasions articles with links to Goatse have made it to the /. front page. But I'm pretty sure this isn't one of those cases.

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  2. My spam is still lame :-P by danaris · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...also, image pump-and-dump spam has all but disappeared, with pornographic images taking its place.

    Huh? Where? Man, all I ever get are stupid Viagra spam and "O3M S0FTWARE!" (and variants thereupon).

    Humpfh. Everyone gets pr0n spam but me.

    Dan Aris

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    1. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by adamlazz · · Score: 1

      Maybe that is a good thing! Some of the things I have seen... The images are printed on the inside of my eyeballs.

    2. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by varmittang · · Score: 4, Funny

      Tell me, is it bad when if you recognize someone from high school in one of those.

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    3. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

      Especially when its your phys ed. teacher.

    4. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by blindcoder · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do you recognise the girl? Then call her!
      Do you recognise the canine? Then yes, that's bad.

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    5. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I could forward you mine, if you like.

    6. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by tygerstripes · · Score: 1

      Depends. Do you teach her?

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    7. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? Where? Man, all I ever get are stupid Viagra spam and "O3M S0FTWARE!" (and variants thereupon). Ooh you lucky bastard, how I wish for that calibre of spam.

      Right now I've got a inbox full of adverts for chemical toilets, wanna swap?
    8. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by Belacgod · · Score: 1

      WTF are chemical toilets?

    9. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not this semester... but I taught her mother, when she was a her age!

    10. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by theArtificial · · Score: 0

      Think honey bucket.

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    11. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Portable toilets using a chemical flushing system to prevent the stench from getting too bad, the kind used in camping and construction equipment.

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    12. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1

      Dude, not funny... I actually stumbled upon exactly that.

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    13. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by empaler · · Score: 1

      ...also, image pump-and-dump spam has all but disappeared, with pornographic images taking its place.

      Huh? Where? Man, all I ever get are stupid Viagra spam and "O3M S0FTWARE!" (and variants thereupon).

      Humpfh. Everyone gets pr0n spam but me.

      Dan Aris

      Don't beat yourself up. On my Hotmail acct, I once got a incest-styled spam mail :-(

      Ofc, reported it to Save the Children, but I don't expect it to have made a difference anywhere (though one can hope).
    14. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 1

      "Wait a minute, I recognize that penis..."

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    15. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by Loligo · · Score: 1

      >WTF are chemical toilets?

      Most of the women in the porn spam qualify. /giggity

    16. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>>WTF are chemical toilets?

      A rock group- They were on SNL a couple of years ago, the night it was hosted by Steve Jobs.

    17. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by TT076750 · · Score: 1

      ya.. i also got spam msg. everyday i've got 'bout 50 spamming msg.. it's make my account crowded!

    18. Re:My spam is still lame :-P by pk076201 · · Score: 1

      all i've ever get is ways to enlarge my THING... how does spam knows my thing isn't big enough?

  3. SPAM @ 95%?! by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thank God for Gmail and its excellent spam filtering! I don't think I've had any spam hit my inbox in 2 years. :-)

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    1. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by rvw · · Score: 1

      I haven't had many, but I do get an occasional spam mail in my Gmail inbox.

    2. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by blindcoder · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's because they read every mail before it hits your inbox.

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    3. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by Nimey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Gmail's spam filters have definitely improved. When I first got my account (in '03?) I foolishly posted something to Usenet via DejaGoogle (required my @gmail.com account) and the spam just started rolling in. I still get lots of spam, but almost all of it is properly routed to the spam folder, and thanks to the CustomizeGoogle extension, I don't even see the spam count.

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    4. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 1

      yeah but its like a 3 year old reading your mail... its only going to catch words it knows

    5. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by MeditationSensation · · Score: 1

      How many do you get per day? I get an average of around 100 per day, thanks to only 30 references to my email online. Most of those are newsgroup posts. Gmail gets most them, but some still end up in my inbox.

    6. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      I had the same problem.

      Thanks Google, for not letting me obfuscate or otherwise modify my email when posting directly from Gmail!

      Luckily the spam filtering is excellent and I've only seen one spam in my in box in months.

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    7. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      I do NOT want to know what words you teach your 3 year old.

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    8. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you know that your email program also reads your mail?

    9. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by blindcoder · · Score: 1

      Currently I get just under 1000 spammails a day, roughly 0.8% make it through to my inbox.

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    10. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by nschubach · · Score: 1

      The kid's gotta learn sometime!

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    11. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The spam filtering is pretty good, but I find the amount of spam coming directly into my gmail account when I never give out that address highly suspicious. My account name isn't a common name or anything either, so I find it hard to believe it all arrives by chance.

    12. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by jfengel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're good, but they're not that good for me. I get several spams a day in my inbox (and thousands a day filtered out).

      Bizarrely, they should be easy to identify. Most of them are in Russian. Whatever bayesian network they're doing should have figured out by now that I don't read Russian.

      The other one is the same template, over and over, all beginning with the same phrase. I have no idea why that one keeps getting through.

      I'm sure not complaining; they're clearly filtering out a huge amount of sheer misery.

    13. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      That's why you use a "junk" email address for posting... I get virtually no spam in my email addresses, even ones that date back to 98...

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    14. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by spyrochaete · · Score: 1

      You know the G in Gmail is for Google and not God, right? You're thanking the wrong party!

      I occasionally get spam in my Gmail inboxes - especially when it's written in other languages. Thunderbird filters those out, thankfully.

    15. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like in Soviet Russia?

    16. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. In Soviet Russia mail reads you!

    17. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After all, who would think to try AnonymousCoward@gmail.com?

    18. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No matter what domain I register for e-mail under, I always get hit by spam. I don't even have a common username (it's a1aaa1azzzz1zaaaaa).

    19. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by DataSpring · · Score: 1

      Even if you have only given your address to real human beings (that you trust not to send your address on in mass e-mail forwards,) if even one person gets a virus/piece-of-malware that grabs e-mail addresses from their computer and ships those addresses off to a repository somewhere, then your address has been compromised and will probably always be on some spammer's list somewhere.

    20. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by empaler · · Score: 1

      I've noticed that an increasing number of mails get through the net at Gmail. Damned spammers. Am I the only one?

    21. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      me neither, maybe you could try to spam me...here is my address
      mailto:billgates@microsoft.com

    22. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by doti · · Score: 1

      No, you're not.
      I get one or two every day.

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    23. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by doti · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with seeing the spam count?

      Since the spam gets deleted after 30 days, and I never delete it manually, it tells me how many spam I get monthly.
      You can clearly see the worm spikes.. it was around 1,000 back in early 2006, slowly grew to 2,000 by the end of that year, peaked at 2,500, then went back to 1,200. Now it's on the rise again, at 2,209 right now.

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    24. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by Nimey · · Score: 1

      I'm easily distracted and it's slightly annoying to see a number sitting beside a mailbox, think that I've got mail, then realize "no, that's just spam".

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    25. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by martin-boundary · · Score: 1
      That's because the big mail providers (gmail, yahoo, hotmail,...) don't actually have individual bayesian filters for each user. Instead, the standard procedure for big sites is that a user gets lumped in with many other users and they all share one filter. This is great for people who get virtually no mail, because they benefit from other people's training data, but it's inherently imprecise, since two people never agree totally on what is junk and what isn't junk.

      So if the gmail filtering doesn't seem to work for you, that's because it's one-size fits all within a bigger group. You'll be better off with a personalized filter that trains on your own data. Try the free ones on freshmeat, any one of them should be an improvement in your case.

    26. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by lnjasdpppun · · Score: 1

      It must be getting easier to filter spam, you can just pipe it all to /dev/null and get it 95% correct!

    27. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by RK077208 · · Score: 1

      yes, i agree with you.. Gmail is almost good compared others in terms of filtering spams in email..But, i still got a few spam that Gmail cannot filter and send it to my email..maybe it uses more brilliant way to get through in mail..

    28. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by RK077208 · · Score: 1

      i agree with you.. Gmail is almost good compared by other webmail in terms of filtering spam..but it still have a few spam that Gmail cannot filter from get into my email..i still got it.. maybe the spam have good way or pretend as a good actor to send spam to my email..

    29. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by rinaazlin · · Score: 1

      really why i'm still receiving spam in my gmail

    30. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by bluebox_rob · · Score: 1

      I get the odd spam in my inbox but it mostly works, there is the odd false positive as well, so unfortunately I have to keep checking my Spam folder.

      Interestingly, I set up a 'junk' GMail address for usenet posting etc and the address has the word 'spam' in it; despite being used all over the net for a couple of years it hardly gets any spam at all, maybe the spammers filter out addresses with 'spam' etc in them assuming that they are obfuscated?

    31. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by rk075782 · · Score: 1

      actually each email company has their own strengthness in protecting the spam in the mailbox..but congratulate to Gmail and i'm very agreed that gmail has very marvelous spam filtering protection..very useful to me,no more spam in my inbox!

    32. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by rk075782 · · Score: 1

      actually each email company has their own strengthness in protecting the spam in the mailbox..actually they have tried to include marvelous spam filtering protection..very useful to me,but still has spam in my inbox!But i think yahoo is still good for me!they have make some improvement in spam filtering protection from time to time..congratulate!

    33. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by rk075782 · · Score: 1

      actually i'm not believe my email anymore..but i'm still consider for Yahoo mail..they have make some improvement to protect the mailbox from spam..better than nothing! :)

    34. Re:SPAM @ 95%?! by newbie86 · · Score: 1

      we're in the same condition. no spam in my gmail from the very moment i used it until now .. gmail really do their works.. and if there is any spams in your gmail account more than 30 days, they will be automatically deleted. cool !. so i dont have to waste my time to delete these annoyings spams.. say bye to spams!

  4. call me a cynic, but by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... here's a report from a company that specialises in anti-virus and other security products.

    While I'm not denying spam etc. is an annoyance and does cause a lot of people some problems, do we really want to accept at face value some words from an organisation that could well have a vested interest in making the problem appear more threatening than it really is?

    Personally I'd prefer to teach people how to avoid spam/virus infection - in the same way we teach people how to avoid clinical infection, than to go around wailing about how bad the problem is.

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    1. Re:call me a cynic, but by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 1

      "in the same way we teach people how to avoid clinical infection", you mean, with little to no succes?

    2. Re:call me a cynic, but by gammygator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      FWIW, about 90% of our e-mail has been spam... and we've seen a solid 50% increase in traffic over the past quarter. The numbers aren't that out of whack. quote: Personally I'd prefer to teach people how to avoid spam/virus infection... Good luck with that. Particularly with the avoiding spam part. If you come up with a foolproof method that actually involves using e-mail... I'm sure you'll be a lot richer than I am.

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    3. Re:call me a cynic, but by jayhawk88 · · Score: 1

      Clearly they are not counting the volume of email within companies, but even so, if this number is even within 15% accuracy, we're about 10 years away from abandoning email as a communication medium altogether. Can you imagine any other form of communication that was 95% inefficient?

    4. Re:call me a cynic, but by Velveeta_512 · · Score: 1

      I can... but then, I used to be a Sprint PCS customer...

    5. Re:call me a cynic, but by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine any other form of communication that was 95% inefficient?
      I don't think the 95% figure is very important. What's matters is the balance of power in the arms race between spamming and filtering, i.e. how many spam actually show up in your inbox. Is the average user actually seeing any more spam than 10 years ago? I'm not.
    6. Re:call me a cynic, but by Snocone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Can you imagine any other form of communication that was 95% inefficient?

      Flirting.

      Let us pick some text randomly off a googled link and exercise our imagination.

      "First for Emailing - UK's only Emailing Academy

      We are offering you two free e-courses value $45 each. One is our new success emailing communication programme and the other is our popular lifestyle coaching programme

      SUCCESS EMAILING Communication Tips - series of 4 communication tips modules. Designed to get you connecting and interacting more easily and effectively plus monthly success emailing newsletter with tips, quotes and news..."


      When there is a large industry which advertises itself in terms like that instead of the original then perhaps there would be a point to be made that email communications are unusually inefficient. In the meantime, well, sure looks to me like anyone who has ever interacted with the opposite sex should have no problem imagining a form of communication in which 5% efficiency would be a striking -- well nigh unbelievable actually -- increase, and somehow that communication medium has not died out in several millions of years.

      *looks around* Ah .... neee-ver mind.

    7. Re:call me a cynic, but by l0b0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The statistics for CERN yesterday: 90% rejected, 7% (manually) moved to spam folder, 3% good mails. And that's not even including those that are just deleted without being moved to the spam folder. Scary tendency.

    8. Re:call me a cynic, but by Pontiac · · Score: 1

      So far these numbers are right on for what we see here at my company.
      Last year we were running about 80% spam
      In July 07 we were at 90-92%
      August-07 we reached 95%
      Looking at the numbers this morning we hit 96% for the week.

      Numbers rounded to the thousands
      We run a cluster of 4 Eprism 2000 Appliances for inbound mail
      This week we received 21,490,000 total inbound messages
      We rejected 15,757,000 on RBL and Block lists
      6,591,000 were passed through for spam filtering.
      858,000 were passed as clean.

      We only saw 200 infected messages because the Firewall is doing virus scanning and drops the packets before they reach the Spam appliances. Without that our overall numbers would be slightly higher.

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    9. Re:call me a cynic, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've read your comment a few times and still have no idea what your point is.

    10. Re:call me a cynic, but by nuzak · · Score: 1

      Symantec specializes in security products too, but their threat report only puts spam at 70% of email. From my own experience, the figure has a lot of variance -- corporate email accounts send a lot more legitimate email around than the average ISP account, and their addresses are less likely to be scraped from public sites, so their overall percentage will be lower (with the exception of role accounts: webmaster@ gets so much spam, it's just a spamtrap where I work)

      And yeah, I'd like to see a lot more emphasis on prevention, but frankly as long as there's people that keep cutting themselves due to their own negligence, there's a profit to be made in selling the band-aids.

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    11. Re:call me a cynic, but by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

      Well, you don't have to believe them.

      Here's our stats from yesterday:

      Total number of messages that attempted delivery 250350
      Total number of connections refused because of incorrect e-mail 10553 4%
      Total number of messages refused by rblsmtpd 203057 81%
                                                                        By spamhaus 73932
                                                                        By spamcop 129143
      Number of messages rejected because they were spam 20725 8%
      Number of messages rejected because they were viruses 428 0%
      Number of messages that failed (probably No_mailbox) 1246 0%
      Projected number of messages actually delivered 14769 5%
      Number of messages actually delivered 19420 7%

      The discrepancy between projected and actual is likely due to bounce messages that get caught in a loop and eventually get delivered to Postmaster. Projected is just total messages minus filtered messages.

      And this is a pretty typical day. Remember that some spam still makes it through the filter.

      Also, I don't know if you've noticed lately, but there's probably spam coming from your computer because you "avoid" viruses rather than actually check for them.

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    12. Re:call me a cynic, but by Gazzonyx · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I concur.

      I think you need to have some caffeine and come back when your jittery enough for the rest of us to understand you.

      If there is a Starbucks in the area - run in, cut to the front of the line and scream, "I'm a programmer! No caffeine! Emergency!". They'll hook you up with an Avanti sized, triple espresso, Frappuccino with some extra sugar... in the form of a fast drip IV.

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    13. Re:call me a cynic, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying flirting is 95% ineffective? You have got to be kidding. Unless you're a total asshole or flirting with people you shouldn't be (married or otherwise involved, people out of your class, etc.) then you're going to have way better than a 5% success rate.

      The only people that would think the success rate is 5% are "players" and people who have never had a date in their life. The players think the success rate is low because they are asshole idiots that go for the brute-force shotgun effect trying to find a date. The non-daters think the success rate is low because they either don't try or have no clue what they are doing.

    14. Re:call me a cynic, but by Snocone · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you saying flirting is 95% ineffective? You have got to be kidding.

      Well, let's assume I am, shall we?

      In that case, explain the existence of the site I faux-quoted and its ilk.

      Methinks that if I was indeed kidding, there would not exist the market which this class of business caters to. (Or, for that matter, the porn/prostitution/yadayadayada classes of business.) However, since they do exist, we can deduce that the market that they are addressing does indeed exist, and it would appear to further be a reasonable assumption that if people could undercut 95% inefficiency on a consistent basis, then that market would not exist. But it does. So, I am not kidding. QED.

    15. Re:call me a cynic, but by falc · · Score: 1

      Maybe 95% of all email is spam, but that doesn't mean that email as a medium is 95% inefficient as far as the average consumer is concerned. In terms of getting information to my intended recipient and getting what others send me, email is wildly successful. I'd have to say it's awfully to 100% efficient! When only 1 in 20 emails that I send actually get to their destination, then we have 95% inefficiency.

      Yes, I'm arguing semantics. It's worth pointing out, though, that email itself works, it's just very easily abused.

  5. white lists are the way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the more reason to use a white list. I never get spam, ever. And really - if I want to hear from you then you'll be on that list. If you aren't on that list then I don't want you cluttering up my inbox in the first place.

    1. Re:white lists are the way to go by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And really - if I want to hear from you then you'll be on that list. If you aren't on that list then I don't want you cluttering up my inbox in the first place. Let me guess: You don't run a business.
    2. Re:white lists are the way to go by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >Let me guess: You don't run a business.

      Or his business uses a, you know, web form for contacting him with a captcha. Once they pass that stage they get whitelisted.

    3. Re:white lists are the way to go by cliffski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and what goes on the business card, the press release and other similar locations? or you think you can run a business that has no email address and ignores emails sent blindly to sales@ info@ and webmaster@ not to mention support@ ?

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    4. Re:white lists are the way to go by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Must be nice not need to hear from customers. Or legit vendors. Or old friends who changed their e-mail addresses. I'm jealous.

      I can't even the use apparently moderately effective "blacklist Chinese and Russian IPs" technique. We correspond all over the world.

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    5. Re:white lists are the way to go by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      (Again...)
      The company's URL goes on the business card. At that URL are the aforementioned forms where one may contact "sales", "info", "whoever", and perhaps even initiate one's placement on the company's white list.

    6. Re:white lists are the way to go by Planck0 · · Score: 1

      A good point, but it doesn't really invalidate the idea of whitelisting personal e-mail addresses. As someone mentioned above, spam is an economic problem. If the only e-mail addresses that weren't using whitelisting were business e-mail addresses (a small fraction of the total e-mail addresses out there) then it would no longer be profitable to send spam.

    7. Re:white lists are the way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Let me guess: You don't run a business."

      I do. The OP is correct. Postfix + RBL + DROP + Spamassassin are superb. My business address is on many well-known mailling lists as well. I get 1 SPAM per 10,000+ messages. And I haven't had any problems with getting business email.

      Let me guess. You don't have a competent IT admin (though you probably think you do).

    8. Re:white lists are the way to go by tepples · · Score: 1

      If the only e-mail addresses that weren't using whitelisting were business e-mail addresses (a small fraction of the total e-mail addresses out there) then it would no longer be profitable to send spam. I guess I was defining "business" broadly. The support staff of a free software project, which often include the developers, run a "business" of supporting the software, and there has to be a way for users to contact the support staff. If you close off incoming e-mail and route support requests through a web-based ticketing system, as gad_zuki! alludes to, spammers will just flood the ticketing system.
    9. Re:white lists are the way to go by cliffski · · Score: 1

      (again)
      so the fact that I'm bob.smith@software.corp goes where? or does the poor bastard webmaster have to guess what email is for who? and the customer has to guess what email format we use?

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    10. Re:white lists are the way to go by Workaphobia · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see a solution a bit more involved than simple whitelisting. This may fall into that famous "Why your idea to stop spam can't work" rubric, but I'll suggest it anyway.

      I'd like a system where all incoming email was accompanied by some chain of validation. For instance you may have a root set of friends' addresses from which you accept, and each of them would have an identifying/authenticating code. Then you may decide to allow your friends' friends, in which case those emails would have two codes, and so on, up to a certain number. Subscribing to any online entity that requires an email address would also require another unique code in order for their mail to not bounce. The idea is that in order for any mail to arrive at your box, it has to have some connection to an entity you already trust to not spam you. If it turns out that you do receive spam, you simply look at the offending mail's chain of codes and determine which one was too broad in its decision to grant further people right-of-way to your inbox.

      This would make establishing new relations out-of-the-blue more difficult, as does normal whitelisting, but is more flexible. It would also provide an easy way to categorize messages. So, I could post my email to a project's wiki, along with a code, and revoke that code if spam gets through using it. It would also make it impossible for companies to sell/share your email with their associates without you knowing who was responsible.

      If this type of thing became widespread, then as you said, the only people without such filters and who are thus susceptible to spam, would be people who require unrestricted communication via email and hopefully know enough not to support the business model.

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  6. E-mail stinks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because it's dead. There's no reliability: Thanks to spam and worms, "didn't receive your email" is always plausible. You don't know when your hoster's/provider's mailserver is being held hostage by some anti-spam lunatics. You don't know if the recipient uses an overzealous spam filter. You can only hope that your mail doesn't sit in a queue behind the latest spam storm for a day, twice, because the recipient uses graylisting. If you're asking a question, it takes three tries to get through pattern matching braindead auto response systems before you get to a real person who pretends to read your mail, and then ignores you. Email sleeps with the fishes.

    It's urgent: phone.
    It's important: letter.
    It's important and urgent: fax.
    It's neither important nor urgent: IM or SMS.
    You don't care about it: email.

    1. Re:E-mail stinks by Z00L00K · · Score: 1
      The problem is that the faxes can be in the fax inbox for days...

      Anything that is important may go by the snail mail, the email may work if it's signed.

      It's just too bad that even big outfits has fallen to spam relaying even today. Checked the mail log and it contained an entry from mail5.warnerbros.com.

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    2. Re:E-mail stinks by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      Phone is only reliable if used correctly. People dial wrong numbers and leave a voice mail message for a total stranger, without even listening to the recorded message. This happens on my office number, even though I have a very clear recorded message identifying myself and the company I work for.

      Letters get lost, and only become moderately reliable when you use a registered post system. Even then, you're only guaranteeing that the item has arrived at the address. You don't know if it'll be received or read by the intended recipient.

      Faxes are subject to plenty of reliability issues. Wrong numbers, or poor print quality.

      Email can be reliable so long as you use it correctly. If you require confirmation, ask for it in your mail. If you don't receive a reply within the time specified, email again or use an alternate contact method.

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  7. Why can't we stop this shit ?? by moseman · · Score: 0

    I for one am feed up with this shit. I know I will get flamed, but why not have your ISP limit the number of SMTP transactions to a "reasonable" amount without your expressed request for more. Say 1000 SMTP messages per day per IP for the average user. If you want more, then you simply ask for a higher limit. This would surely throttle zombies. Corporations would be exempt.

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    1. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      ISPs are in the perfect position to sniff traffic and identify infected machines that are part of botnets. It's obviously technically possible since the government does it at AT&T. You don't even need to sniff ALL traffic, SYN packets are enough. Most tech savvy businesses already sniff all their traffic with IDS systems, it's not a big leap.

      ISPs should also be blocking outbound port 25 traffic from dynamic addresses (and if you need to use an external mail relay, use a tunnel or port 587.) Some ISPs do this already, many don't.

      To all the whiners that don't like the port 25 blocking: Dynamic IP space is already "damaged goods", and you have multiple workarounds available to you. Any sane mail admin (including many large ISPs) already blacklist dynamic space therefor you can't effectively run a mail server on dynamic IP space.

      The solution that stops 90%+ spam is out there, but it costs a little money to implement. It's still less money than what we currently are spending fighting spam. What are they waiting for - government mandates? Fines? Lawsuits? Getting their netblocks in 2,000,000 private blacklists that they have no chance in hell of getting out of?

    2. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by tepples · · Score: 0

      Say 1000 SMTP messages per day per IP Times a million rooted Windows PCs equals how many spams?

      If you want more, then you simply ask for a higher limit. By "ask" do you mean "pay"?
    3. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by glpierce · · Score: 1

      "The solution that stops 90%+ spam is out there, but it costs a little money to implement. It's still less money than what we currently are spending fighting spam. What are they waiting for - government mandates? Fines? Lawsuits? Getting their netblocks in 2,000,000 private blacklists that they have no chance in hell of getting out of?"

      I can actually understand the ISPs on this one. Yes, spam costs a huge amount of money to the economy as a whole, however it's not such a major cost to the ISPs themselves. As businesses, they can't make a case [to their stockholders, etc.] to spend a bunch of cash fixing someone else's problem. If the businesses that were paying the huge tolls created a fund to pay ISPs to fix the problems, then you might see something. Otherwise, government mandates are probably the only solution. As far as ending up on blacklists, major ISPs aren't all that worried; so long as they aren't blocking each other, their customers will be happy. Most people will blame whatever random business is blocking their email rather than their own ISP (after all, most of their email gets where it's supposed to go).

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    4. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by kasin · · Score: 1

      The solution that stops 90%+ spam is out there, but it costs a little money to implement. It's still less money than what we currently are spending fighting spam. Why do you assume ISPs aren't already doing this? 95%+ of email is spam, you just don't see it because the ISPs are in fact blocking. Problem is, the spammers can more easily add an order of magnitude more bots than we can add a order of magnitude better scanning.

      - ObDisclaimer: I deal with email at an ISP.
    5. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That's a very good point, but the optimist (well, the unreasonably hopeful optimist) in me says that the "customer calls up ISP, refuses to pay extra when they aren't the ones composing the emails, and gets their system properly secured to save money" process will at worst yield better security worldwide. Of course, it's much more likely that the ISP will cave in, or the customer will pay the extra money, or (most likely) they won't keep their PCs properly secured for long.

      The other main problem is that a good chunk of spam emails I've seen come from free webmail providers (hotmail et al), and it's trivial to create multiple accounts and spam from each (especially if they had a botnet so that banning IPs wouldn't affect them). There is no way webmail providers would limit the number of emails per IP (regardless of accounts) as most households have two or more people using the same webmail service, it would cause too much uproar.
    6. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      Other have pointed out other problems with your post. I'll point out that most spam does not originate in US ISPs. Even if the spammers themselves are in the US, they use ISPs in places where there are virtually no legal checks on what you do with your computer to generate the traffic (or spread the botnets to generate the traffic).

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    7. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by value_added · · Score: 1

      To all the whiners that don't like the port 25 blocking: Dynamic IP space is already "damaged goods", and you have multiple workarounds available to you. Any sane mail admin (including many large ISPs) already blacklist dynamic space therefor you can't effectively run a mail server on dynamic IP space.

      Agreed, but it's worth pointing out that fixed addresses aren't exactly the cat's meow, either.

      When I signed up for a DSL account with SBC/ATT, I asked for static addresses and and got my delegation request for tiny /29 netblock processed a few days later. All good, right? With everything setup on my end, I send out a few test messages to my personal ATT email account (hosted by the folks at Yahoo), and it gets the 'YahooFiltered: Bulk' treatment 4 out 5 tries.

      Granted, Yahoo uses DomainKeys, but a cursory Google search will reveal any number of problems from all sorts who have gone to the trouble of setting up DKIM, SPF, etc. and run into problems with their email being tagged as spam by Yahoo, Hotmail (especially problematic), or any of the other large email services.

      The lesson seems to be is that if you expect your mail to be delivered, have someone else host it, or alternatively (if you don't want to use your ISP as a smart host), pay for one.

    8. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by Belacgod · · Score: 1

      Spammers then incorporate. You can have 1-person corporations.

    9. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but it's worth pointing out that fixed addresses aren't exactly the cat's meow, either.

      When I signed up for a DSL account with SBC/ATT, I asked for static addresses and and got my delegation request for tiny /29 netblock processed a few days later. All good, right? With everything setup on my end, I send out a few test messages to my personal ATT email account (hosted by the folks at Yahoo), and it gets the 'YahooFiltered: Bulk' treatment 4 out 5 tries. In my experience, the current blacklists treat anything at the end of a DSL line, static or dynamic as a dynamic address nowadays. I've hosted my email on my domains on a DSL line for ages but I'm now looking at alternate solutions (among which possibly just routing the stuff through my ISP for problematic domains).
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    10. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by nuzak · · Score: 1

      > anyone know of any major ones that still don't block port 25?

      Comcast, Cox, Cablevision, a good chunk of Roadrunner (they're spotty about it), any European ISP owned by Orange telecom, any IP in China, most of Korea...

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    11. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      Some ISPs are doing a little - mostly with inbound. Occasionally with outbound. What kills me are the ISPs that reject inbound mail from dynamic IP space but don't block direct outbound (port 25) mail from dynamic IP space. Hello!?! Can I beat you over the head with a clue-by-four?

      Looking at my corporate mail servers, it's obvious that many of the major ISPs are not filtering. In the US, Comcast is one of the WORST offenders, but Verizon, Road Runner, and others are pretty damn bad too. It's a world-wide problem.

      But it's not just mail - it's botnets in general that need to be discovered / blocked / nuked. If someone is port scanning large portions of your network, firewall them. If it's from inside your net, suspend their access.

    12. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by HAKdragon · · Score: 1

      From what I understand, what an ISP blocks can vary widely from location to location, but soon after Time Warner took over for Comcast in the Cleveland Area, I was able to send out over Port 25 because I was playing around with sendmail. I can't tell you if that's still so as I haven't screwed around with my own mail server since, though they still don't block port 80.

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    13. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      Nobody pointed out "problems" with my statements. One claimed that ISPs (at least one he works for) are ALREADY doing filtering, but anyone with good reading comprehension knows that I didn't say that NONE of them do. Also, Did I limit my post to only talk about ISPs in the US? No, I didn't. Everyone is already aware that it is a world-wide problem.

    14. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      It depends. Some brain-dead ISPs (PacBell / SBC) use a reverse DNS naming scheme that does not differentiate static versus dynamic. Worse, they use the same address blocks for both dynamic and static. All I can suggest is that you don't use a brain-dead ISP - especially if you want to run a mail server. In most of SBC land, there are DOZENS of good alternatives.

    15. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you read the article ?
      They claim that the bots now do queuing to bypass greylisting.

    16. Re:Why can't we stop this shit ?? by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      It depends. Some brain-dead ISPs (PacBell / SBC) use a reverse DNS naming scheme that does not differentiate static versus dynamic. Worse, they use the same address blocks for both dynamic and static. All I can suggest is that you don't use a brain-dead ISP - especially if you want to run a mail server. In most of SBC land, there are DOZENS of good alternatives. I'm not sure what SBC is (not being from the US, Southern Bell something maybe ?), but here my ISP lets me set my reverse DNS to whatever I pick (currently machinename.mydomain.org) which is in sync with the DNS info for that host.

      And *none* of the ADSL addresses are in fact dynamic. Whether you're connected 24/7 or not, you always get the same address.

      IMO what's brain-dead is the way the RBLs manage this (and/or the way filters misuse the RBLs).

      There's no reason any host on the network should be any different from any other.
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  8. doubtful by jsldub · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I highly doubt that, "All Email"?

    Did they track private networks? Encrypted Email?

    1. Re:doubtful by Alioth · · Score: 1

      It's certainly high. Looking at my spam filter for the last week, 99% of email sent to me is spam - I'm now getting in excess of 250 spam emails a day, but generally only a couple of legitimate email messages per day. Fortunately, SpamAssassin filters nearly all of it.

    2. Re:doubtful by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      Hey, I get spam on private networks too. No Mary, I do not want to see this hilarious video of a dog or read about this amazing (fake) story about some family.

  9. Mine is full of spam... by psychicsword · · Score: 3, Funny

    All I ever get is spam.

    Most of the subjects are as follows:(filtered for privacy)
    Courses next term
    [Course name here] Grades
    IMPORTANT: Calculus Final Exam Time
    Hello from [Relative name here]
    [Subscribe newsletter here]
    Funny pictures

    Why wont it stop?

    1. Re:Mine is full of spam... by frdmfghtr · · Score: 1

      Courses next term
      [Course name here] Grades
      IMPORTANT: Calculus Final Exam Time
      I don't know about the others, but as for these, maybe they would diminish somewhat if you went to class on occasion. :)
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    2. Re:Mine is full of spam... by coldfusionjn · · Score: 1

      I don't know about him but that is when I play Portal while playing Halo 3 on xbox live?

    3. Re:Mine is full of spam... by inexsis · · Score: 1

      for me...spamming is some sort of free advertisement..... but...is there not enough free advertisement place for them to post ? why email..... now days, even messenger got spam to..... then even create some sort of script or something, when we click the link, it will auto send those spam using or email address. its like we forward the spam.... hmm..... one more thing, how did the spammer knows about our sexes....like me, i'm a guy..all i get for spam is porn...viagra n how grow an inches for my private part.whats with that ? can they acces our information and know our sexes ? or they send it randomly ? but i never get any spam for enlargement breast...lol.........

  10. That's not an unrealistic number by SaDan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work at an ISP and we do SPAM detection and elimination at our border routers. We scan both incoming and outgoing email, and will auto blacklist our own internal IPs if we detect SPAM.

    The highest two-week percentage of rejected incoming email that I've seen broke 97% a few months ago. It's normally between 90% and 95%.

    It's loads of fun dealing with this crap.

    1. Re:That's not an unrealistic number by SaDan · · Score: 3, Informative

      FortiNet FortiGate 1000A hardware firewalls, which block 99% of the SPAM we receive (a couple slip through for various reasons), and we run Zimbra with AV/AS scanning enabled.

      The FortiGates are configured to just drop the SPAM, so 100% of SPAM detected by the firewalls never get past the firewalls.

    2. Re:That's not an unrealistic number by Geoff · · Score: 1

      I didn't post the parent, but at the University where I work, we use Barracuda Spam Firewalls, and block over 95% of all incoming messages. About 1% is quarantined for user review, and about 3% is actually delievered to the intended destination.

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    3. Re:That's not an unrealistic number by m85476585 · · Score: 1

      Is any legitimate mail blocked?

    4. Re:That's not an unrealistic number by SaDan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anything we reject will bounce with a 500 category error and an explanation (blacklisted IP, checksum matching, known spamming address, known spamming URL). We have had calls, but they've been from people who were blacklisted because they had machines infected with trojans or were part of a bot-net sending out tons of SPAM.

      People are upset until we ship them a copy of the logs pertaining to their account or IP address. Once they have the proof, they tend to argue less, or even ask for assistance (which we provide in most cases).

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  13. Those were my organization's summer levels by peipas · · Score: 1

    We were at 95% spam back in June. September and October so far are 98%. Meanwhile, November 2006 was 89%.

  14. Not new. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wasn't "95% of email is spam" reported by the BBC back in 2006?

    And Security Focus has a great article that shows how all of these numbers are totally made up.

  15. Spam?? by electronerdz · · Score: 1

    I didn't know there was still spam out there? I got CanIt from Roaring Penguin and don't see spam anymore.

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    1. Re:Spam?? by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

      Spambayes works pretty good too-- I get no more than a couple of messages a day at the most, often none at all. Now if only I could convince my ISP to use it instead of the RBL and other such crap they're using now and I'd get all of the email from people I want to get it from...

  16. penalize the seller not the messenger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the financial incentive is removed the problem should go away. The spammer is not the root cause, the entity hiring the spammer and benefiting from the people responding to the advertisement appears to be the root cause and is easier to identify.

    The entity initiating the process is identifiable ( the contact information must be accurate in order to effect the sale ) unlike the spammer that can utilize many techniques to avoid identification.

    1. Re:penalize the seller not the messenger by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      I say major fines backed up by labor camps if they can't pay. CIA kidnappings and visits to Gitmo for major out of country spammers. Maybe contract with Russia for one of their old siberian prison camps.

      Then again, I might be a tad irrational with my hatred of mass spammers.

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    2. Re:penalize the seller not the messenger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with that when the "root cause" is a criminal gang operating out of Russia.

      You might want to look into some life insurance before you embark on your big quest.

  17. OK, another data point by CustomDesigned · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Checking my mail stats, since 4 am this morning, I've received 51985 emails, 51909 of which were filtered as spam. That's 99%. Checking the bandwidth monitor, the spam has consumed a steady 100Kbit/s since 4 am, despite being mostly blocked in SMTP envelope via SPF and reputation (SPF blocks forgeries, reputation blocks spammers with the balls to use their own domain).

    1. Re:OK, another data point by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 1

      since 4 am this morning, I've received 51985 emails,
      Geez, are you writing your email address on bathroom walls with a "For a good time email...." next to it? That's an insane amount of emails in such a short time. Wouldn't it be easier to abandon an obviously tainted email address and start fresh with 2 new ones (1 real, 1 decoy/spam depository)?
    2. Re:OK, another data point by Scaba · · Score: 1

      Then how would he brag about getting 51985 emails per day?

    3. Re:OK, another data point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it even possible to keep an email account clean of spam?
      Honestly, I've stopped trusting even "reputable" sites. Somehow, even if you never use it but for the stuff you really want a "main" address on, and it's all 'safe' (large gaming companies (no, not the asian "play our games for free! trust us!" ones), well known webshops (nope, not porn ones)); somehow... magically, your mail gets added on a spam list.

      I've even had spam hit mail addresses of mine that I've NEVER USED for ANYTHING. (real addys, not 123@hotmail.com or what not)
      Seems to me everyone is selling out their users to the spammers. (or at least someone working at these companies/sites/(some disgruntled isp tech support guy? heh, I wouldn't doubt it) is, for a quick buck on the side)

      tinfoil hat, etc.

    4. Re:OK, another data point by adminstring · · Score: 1

      GP might have a domain rather than an email address... I find that 98% of the incoming email to my domain is spam, and 90% of it is to bogus email addresses within my domain (apparently auto-generated using some list of possible names.) I use a whitelist of legit email addresses within my domain, so anyone trying to send an email to an address that doesn't exist is disconnected instantly.

      Even so, these spam attempts take up a lot of my bandwidth, and I can't change domain names because it's a commercial domain with a lot of customers.

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    5. Re:OK, another data point by CustomDesigned · · Score: 1

      You are exactly correct. A huge number of spam connections are dictionary attacks searching for valid localparts. After 5 invalid RCPTs, I add the connect IP to a banned list for 7 days. There are about 500000 IPs in the banned list. This saves a lot of bandwidth, but still. It is pointless to change emails. I would be more interested in trying a new mail protocol that enforces sender authentication: IM2000 or Jabber. I'd have my mail server send a 551 with instructions for the new protocol. But this requires that it be easily available to most end-users - i.e. a Windows, Mac, and Linux client.

    6. Re:OK, another data point by CustomDesigned · · Score: 1

      I actually already have several decoy addresses, which are used to train my bayes filter. That count is emails to my private domain. When you run your own mail gateway, that is what you can expect very quickly. Spammers get a list of all domains and start guessing localparts. SMTP protocol allows them 100 guesses per connection, although I ban their IP after 5.

  18. Any different? by Gorkamecha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is this any different then the stats of the dead tree style of spam that appears in my mailbox every day?
    And we have seen the huge (cough) progress made in removing that snail mail spam from the system.

    Honestly, there seems to have been more progress in weeding out the digital spam then the paper sort.
    Even vague sort of laws and protections and such.

    1. Re:Any different? by pthor1231 · · Score: 1

      Seriously. I have gotten two applications FOR THE SAME CREDIT CARD in one day. Tell me what sense that makes...

    2. Re:Any different? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Probably minor variants in the same name or address. Speaking of which, non profits could save themselves a few bucks if they took the time to clean up their fund raising databases. I frequently get doubles from them (minor variations in address).

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    3. Re:Any different? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Is this any different then the stats of the dead tree style of spam that appears in my mailbox every day?

      Good point. I'd estimate it at ~75% for me, defining SPAM as 'unsolicited commercial package that I'm not interested in'. Near 0% for fraudulent letters, which I got about a half dozen of when I was a teen. Near 90% of the spam caught by my filters is fraudulent and illegal in nature.

      At least I can heat my house a bit with the dead tree spam.

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    4. Re:Any different? by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      Only two? My record was 30. 30 emails for the same thing from 30 different email addresses.

      On a side note, what determines spam? To most spam is unwanted email. So if you are getting email from say a class listserv you are taking. Then you do not want those emails anymore what do you do. Report to that listserv to remove you? Or report those emails as spam?

    5. Re:Any different? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're kidding, right?

      Snailmail junkmailers have to bear the cost of mailing their crap. Spammers force the recipient to subsidize their spew. Spam is junkmail, "Postage Due" - where you don't have the option to refuse.

      It's that attitude, and "JHD" that has gotten us to these straits where 95%+ of all email is garbage. If you've filtered it, you've still received it and already paid the price, even if you never see a line-item bill for it.

    6. Re:Any different? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get about 8-10 offers per week for credit cards. It is just ridiculous. I also seem to get flyers about once a week in the mail for comcast's telephone service. You'd think after about 6 months and about 30 attempts they'd figure out i don't need it (have a cell phone and do voice chat). I called up the other day and threatened to cancel my tv/internet with them if they don't stop harassing me. Lets see if that works, somehow i doubt it. Going to look into dsl this weekend.

    7. Re:Any different? by permaculture · · Score: 1

      In the UK there is a list for opting out of junk snail mail:
      http://www.mpsonline.org.uk/mpsr/

      And a list to opt out of telemarketer phone calls:
      http://www.mpsonline.org.uk/tps/

      If only we could opt out of spam email too!

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    8. Re:Any different? by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

      I hear that. I get all of my snail mail to a PO box and usually just let my street mailbox fill up with the crap-- a few years ago the postman finally got the message and stopped stuffing it, even when it was empty unless a lone letter actually addressed to me appeared (I had a hard time convincing the DWP to send bills to my PO box). So for a couple of years I had no spam in my street mailboxand it was great! Then I heard recently that the postal service got dinged from someone for not delivering junk mail and now it's filling up my street box again. I just let it fill though. I don't own the place or I'd remove the street box entirely (the DWP's online payment service finally allowed me to enter my PO box as the billing address, so I fixed that problem). Or at least, connect it directly to a trashbin.

    9. Re:Any different? by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

      Is this any different then the stats of the dead tree style of spam that appears in my mailbox every day?
      At least the senders pay for the dead-tree spam. The e-mail variety almost always ends up on someone else's tab, from the pwn3d home PC sending it to your 'Net connection receiving it.
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    10. Re:Any different? by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      Is this any different then the stats of the dead tree style of spam that appears in my mailbox every day?
      Yes, very much.

      1) The sender pays to mail the junk that shows up in your postal mailbox. With spam, the cost is effectively offloaded to the recipient in terms of higher ISP fees, etc. There's also the theory that the bulk-mailers keep first class postage rates lower than they otherwise would be, by subsidizing a large part of the postal operation.

      2) There's actually a reliable way to "opt out" of almost all junk postal mail, by contacting the DMA and requesting that its members stop mailing you.

      3) Junk postal mail is sent through a legal and legitimate channel with established regulators who have guns and actually track down fraud and scammers.
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    11. Re:Any different? by pthor1231 · · Score: 1

      No, I meant two snail mails on the same day addressed to me.

  19. Been there for years by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    This is hardy new. Anyone with an old (>10 years) domain name is on every spam address list in the galaxy and likely gets 99.99% spam. All my mail server does is run spam assassin and clamav and a few times per day, actually delivers a real message.

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    1. Re:Been there for years by JCSoRocks · · Score: 1

      I've got the same problem... I finally started having all of my e-mail forwarded to gmail to let their spam filters clean up the mess. I've had my address for about 11 years now... and it just got worse and worse every year.

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  20. That's an AVERAGE?? by tygerstripes · · Score: 1
    I get a fair bit of solicited and genuine email, and a moderate amount of spam. Thunderbird's and Gmail's filters seem to do almost all the filtering perfectly these days, but even checking the size of my inbox against my junk-boxes, I have to say that I'm getting nothing like 95%. Not even 50%.

    Anecdotally, I don't think mine is an unusual scenario, which causes me to wonder: how many people are getting 96-100% spam, in order for this average to hold true? I mean, are there folks out there being inundated with a daily 100%-spam diet, just on the off-chance that they get a spot of lean steak one day?

    Poor bastards.

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    1. Re:That's an AVERAGE?? by amccaf1 · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that the "95% of all email is spam" figure probably also includes emails sent to a server with a bad/non-existent address. Spammers will use a list of commonly used usernames and send an email to a domain to each username on that list. Most of these will have associated mailboxes on a given server, but there's probably a significant amount that simply bounces back, keeping that signal to noise ratio very very low.

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    2. Re:That's an AVERAGE?? by smallfries · · Score: 1

      My gmail account had 535 spams in the last 30 days against 20 genuine emails. So that's roughly 96%. My gmail account name hasn't been splashed anywhere public, I only use it for companies that require an email for registration and with friends. The account name is 10 characters long and won't appear in a dictionary anywhere.

      So I would guess that my usage patterns put me somewhere near the average and I'm seeing the spam levels that they talk about. You might be very lucky :)

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    3. Re:That's an AVERAGE?? by oliderid · · Score: 1

      In my case it is worst than 95%.
      in four days i've received 1514 spams
      I guess I have only received 30 or 40 legitimate emails for the same period.

      97.5/98% of all my emails are spam.
      Thunderbird does a pretty good job. I delete/flag manually 5 or 10 spams per day only.

      Why do I receive so many spams?
      I've got 3 different emails.
      My primary email address didn't change for years.
      It is available on my company's web site.
      It is obvious (surname@mycompany.com)

    4. Re:That's an AVERAGE?? by flatass · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that what you see in your Inbox / Junk Mail folders is only a fraction of the total amount of mail that was targeted for you. The majority of SPAM is dropped as it enters the network (mostly due to matching a blocklist like Spamhaus or a light content filter) long before it reaches your mailbox.

    5. Re:That's an AVERAGE?? by nologin · · Score: 1

      The reason you're not seeing the 95% is because the study doesn't take the content per individual mailbox. It counts the 95% based upon what mail servers (and their anti-spam systems) see.

      Honestly, if you were seeing 95% of the content in your mailbox as SPAM, you would have ditched e-mail by now.

      Usually, the 95% does include e-mail sent to a bad recipient. The logic used by most anti-spam solutions is if that an e-mail got sent to mail server where the sender didn't know your e-mail address, the e-mail get filed as spam. It is far more likely that a spammer was trying to guess the e-mail of someone rather than someone forgetting or mis-spelling an e-mail address (you do use your address book, right?).

      Since I do run a few domains (and they are relatively small), I usually see between 85-95% spam. Since these domains are typical office hour businesses, the 95% usually hits on weekends and non-business hours, while 85% is typical of the Monday-Friday business hour time periods...

    6. Re:That's an AVERAGE?? by krelian · · Score: 1

      Thunderbird's and Gmail's filters seem to do almost all the filtering perfectly these days, but even checking the size of my inbox against my junk-boxes, I have to say that In the last few weeks I've been getting certain Viagra spam that keeps slipping through thunderbird's filter no matter the time I marked it as junk...
    7. Re:That's an AVERAGE?? by Socguy · · Score: 1

      I've had my Gmail account for close to 3 years and I get about 10 in my spam folder a week. It is very rare that I ever get one in my Inbox. My account name is 24 characters long, but you might find it in a dictionary. I never respond to spam, and I delete it on sight. I have a strict rule to never give it out to anyone but friends. when I need to give an email to a company on the web... well that's what Yahoo is for! (let's not talk about how much spam I get there ;) )

    8. Re:That's an AVERAGE?? by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      how many people are getting 96-100% spam, in order for this average to hold true? Anyone with a long-time email address, especially one associated with usenet or mailing list archives. My xemacs.org email address gets near 100% spam.
    9. Re:That's an AVERAGE?? by SpecBear · · Score: 1

      It all depends on the email address and how much traffic if gets. My old, rarely used addresses are getting close to 100% spam just because they only get 1 or 2 emails a month. A quick glance at one of my GMail accounts shows 17 legit emails and 815 in the spam folder. That 98% spam. On another account, the ratio is in the high 80%s because all of my mailing list traffic goes there.

      And then you have to figure a certain amount gets blocked by ISPs, a lot goes to nonexistent accounts, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the spam percentage overall was 95% or even higher.

    10. Re:That's an AVERAGE?? by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

      I have a yahoo email account which I've had since I was in high school (back in the late 90s) - so it must have been added to innumerable lists over the years, what with "friends" pranking me by subscribing me to junk mail lists, or having it put in silly things like e-cards and whatnot. I discourage that stuff now, but back in the day nobody knew better and spam wasn't much of a problem.

      I consider myself lucky, I don't get all that much spam. I hit a recent peak yesterday in which I received 27 emails: 26 were spam and filtered into yahoo's junk mail folder, and one was spam that bypassed the filtering (as you can see, I don't conduct my social life by email!). Most days I'll have 3-4 legitimate emails, and maybe 15-20 spam. Yahoo's spam filter is pretty good, it gets most of them and very rarely puts legit emails in the bulk folder.

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  21. Re:Mine is full of spam... mod funny! by radarsat1 · · Score: 1

    I know how you feel.. ;-)

  22. Ewww.... by crovira · · Score: 1

    JapScat images just popped into my head there...

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  23. What my friend sysadmin did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He uses a custom hacked version of exim which basically sets up a delay (about 3sec) between the SMTP MAIL and DATA commands. This is a way of DoSing back the spammer by forcing them to keep open TCP connections. Most spammers give up about 1 sec timeout. That doesn't work for botnets though.

  24. Yahoo Mail welcome spam and block real email by crf00 · · Score: 1
    Anyone experience this with Yahoo Mail? Yahoo Mail has blocked any email that contain my website url, even though my website contains no spam at all. (same case as what happened with YouTube.) Yahoo Mail also blocked my other website's mail server that any mail being sent from that mail server goes into spam folder. All these just happened within last week.

    The brute force style of filtering spam disappointed me alot as it makes innocent websites completely helpless to communicate with their members who use yahoo mail. Now that all my important messages go into spam folder and spam mails go into my inbox, the effectiveness of Yahoo spam filter becomes 0. (Yes I know I can unblock my website in my own account settings, but how about mails being sent to other people?)

    Yahoo Mail sux and I am switching to GMail.

  25. Who giving up, US or the spammers... by crovira · · Score: 1

    Why pay money when the amount of 'mail recipients' is down to 5% because filters have become so efficient?

    That empties the possible pool of suckers out there so you might as well give up and find some other scam. (Remember, there zipper-heads want to get your money for free. If they can't... Well fuck it...)

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  26. So where's the invisible hand? by suv4x4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since most slashdotters are libertarians for some reason (and I could argue even I am to some degree) my question is: where's the technological efficient solution to this.

    We've seen some "free market" solutions which basically required that you pay a fee to every mail provider so they don't trash your email. And this didn't particularly help spam either.

    I come to the conclusion that spam as an issue is one of two things, or both of those things:

    1) Not that big of a problem (hard to believe if you are a mail provider / ISP yourself)

    2) Impossible to solve by means of free market solutions, and requires cooperation and standardization of new technology.

    Point 2 is hard to happen since every little startup that comes with a mini solution, trumpet it on their own and hence they are only a nuissance to deal with in the big picture (due to lack of a single standard, it's impossible to have clients which make the process of whitelisting easier and even half automatic).

    Here are couple of solution which would get us half-there, but are only quarter-implemented right now:

    1) Whitelist SMTP servers by talking back to the supposed mail of origin and comparing IP-s. The SMTP may return list of IP-s this host responds from. This is then cached and used for further authentication on this domain. It *may* lead to DoS if many hosts do a first-time check simultaneously, but it's unlikely (and less problematic, given we're eliminating 95% of bad emails this way).

    2) Test-for-human-intelligence in your first email to a new email. Such as, I don't know, some sort of CAPTCHA you fill-in? Once this is done, communication can proceed without further tests between those two emails. The receiver still has the option to block you, lest you employ a mechanical turk.

    Those solutions are boring, they're incomplete in a way, they introduce hassle, but if we *all* agree on those, they can be made less of a hassle, and still not lose their efficacy.

    That would require the likes of AOL, Hotmail, Gmail and so on free mail providers to cooperate with the likes of Microsoft, Apple, Linux devs and so on, to implement this on both the clients and servers.

    Right now, I could see Hotmail cooperating with Microsoft (.. wink, wink.. :P ), but that's where it ends.

    1. Re:So where's the invisible hand? by John+Bayko · · Score: 1
      Established technology can be replaced if a technology for another use becomes popular enough, and can be adapted to replace the existing technology, and has some advantage. For email, two candidate technologies are notification feeds like RSS or Atom, and social web sites like Myspace and Facebook.

      Both have an advantage over email in that you can control who you receive messages from because the sender identity cannot be faked. In RSS, you poll to get updates, so you know with certainty who you are polling. Social web sites let you define your relationship to others, and require an identity that satisfies those running the sites.

      Either one could be modified to function like email, and I expect they will in time. Once that happens, existing email will have little reason to exist, and will go the way of Usenet newsgroups - generally used for special purposes, to unpopular for spammers to bother with. Email spam will be dead.

    2. Re:So where's the invisible hand? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      I'd say that the real skew on the free market comes from the armies of spambots. They can spew essentially infinite spam, which gives the spammers a huge thumb on the scales in any free competition between us and them.

      I'd say the agreement that needs to be made between us is to start shunning ISPs who behave so impolitely. Email is a commons, and subject to the tragedy of the commons. The solution to the tragedy of the commons is politeness.

      This commons is so large that there's actually room for considerable freedom, but there are obvious offenders. If you have a machine on your network sending out email 24 hours a day, have a quick peek. If you feel squeamish, make that "peek" an automated spam filter. If it's all spam, SHUT IT DOWN.

      Because if you don't, the free market solution is for the rest of us to shut you down.

    3. Re:So where's the invisible hand? by oni · · Score: 1

      Just FYI, Libertarians do *not* believe that the free market is a panacea, only that it is usually better than a government solution in terms of efficiency and the resulting choice and freedom.

    4. Re:So where's the invisible hand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about this:

      Require PGP encryption. If someone doesn't send an encrypted e-mail to you, reject it. This has the added bonus of hindering some of the Big Brother wannabes out there.

      Dunno how much different this is from a whitelist..

    5. Re:So where's the invisible hand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could also work as a sender verification, if applied to the other direction.
      I encrypt my email to you with my private key and you decrypt it with my public key.
      If I'm understanding correctly, your method has the fallback of keeping your public key as a secret to spammers and at the same time known to your friends.

    6. Re:So where's the invisible hand? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've made the assumptions that (1) everybody has a problem with spam, (1) nobody can deal with spam without the help of organized coercion (i.e. government).

      But where's the evidence behind those assumptions? You're missing the opinions of everybody you claim to speak for. You may think that you've got a crisis that only government can save you from, but I sure don't. In fact, most people I know don't have that problem. I manage a network of about 30 PCs, and believe me, spam is just about the LAST thing anybody ever complains about. Any thoughts on that?

      Yes, spam is annoying, and mildly counter-productive. And no, it's not going to go away -- but it certainly hasn't brought my workplace to a grinding halt. We take responsibility, deal with it effectively, and get on with the day.

      It's weird how an entire business missed the boat on your spam crusade, huh?

    7. Re:So where's the invisible hand? by chromatic · · Score: 1

      Test-for-human-intelligence in your first email to a new email. Such as, I don't know, some sort of CAPTCHA you fill-in?

      This will only work until spammers figure out how to spoof the From address.

    8. Re:So where's the invisible hand? by SL+Baur · · Score: 1

      1) Not that big of a problem (hard to believe if you are a mail provider / ISP yourself) No, it's a problem. The model of email we use is fundamentally broken == spam friendly.

      2) Impossible to solve by means of free market solutions, and requires cooperation and standardization of new technology. Disagree on the first part, agree on the second part.

      Email is broken because all of the costs are placed on the recipient. The way to fix this is to require micro-postage paid to the recipient. Yes, this requires cooperation and new technology that was unfortunately patented by a company that went bankrupt and all the patent rights went into limbo so no one can use them (Digicash and the Chaum e-money/identity patents).

      This breaks mailing lists, but it also breaks spam. If each mail message contains a digital coin payable to me, the spammers can bring it on, as far as I'm concerned.

      Note that it would be huge mistake to pay the recipient's ISP as they would then have the same kind of financial incentive to deliver spam, just like the USPS has a financial incentive to deliver dead tree spam. Note also, that it would be possible to return postage for legitimate email as well.

      Fix the model first. Attempting to legislate against misuse of something broken is an exercise in futility.
  27. Spam auf deutsch? by mikeboone · · Score: 1

    Anyone else getting a lot of spam in German? I don't think the spammers know that I can speak German, but I would say that at least 25% of my spam these days is in German.

    1. Re:Spam auf deutsch? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      No German spam here even though I do talk it (Luxembourg here). I guess you gave your email to some shady German website and they sold it to german marketeers.

      Check your SMTP logs and see if it's the same IP addresses sending those spams. If so, blacklist.

    2. Re:Spam auf deutsch? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Ich weiss nichts!

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    3. Re:Spam auf deutsch? by whoisjoe · · Score: 1

      I'm not German, but I have a GMX (German Mail Exchange) account. I've always gotten a bit of German spam, but not in significant amounts. And no, I haven't noticed an increase lately.

    4. Re:Spam auf deutsch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Looks like scrapings from German news sites.

  28. Why we can't stop spam with our current techniques by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We can't stop it because we aren't addressing the real problem. Spam is an economic problem. People send out spam because they make money off of it. And they will therefore continue to send out spam as long as they make money off of it.

    If you want to stop spam, you have to remove the economic incentive. To do that, you need to cut off the co-conspirators that are allowing the spamvertised domains to be established and hosted. If you can either prevent them from getting a cut off the action, or punish them severely for taking their cut, then you can stop spam.

    Until then, if all we do is try to filter spam out, we'll just continue to see the costs of inaction. Beyond that, we're ignoring the fact that filtering has real costs, as well. Filtering doesn't prevent the spam from traversing the internet, and furthermore it requires human time to update as the spammers change their tactics.

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  29. I believe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe that 94.99% of all statistics are made up on the spot...

  30. Email is dead, long live Email by kthejoker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As email asymptotically reachs 100% spam, we will have essentially created a mechanism whose sole goal is to deliver us undesired ads and scams. Talking about spam detectors and blockers and blacklists is irrelevant. Why devote all of this energy to ensure that maybe 5, 10, or 20 people can contact you or your business a day? Or even 20,000, which only highlights the issue that separating spam from valid emails is just bad juju. Simply put, there is no solution to asynchronous communication that is not too tedious or too restrictive. We'd be a lot better off if we blew up all the email servers, and put all of the energy and cost savings into developing encrypted telepathy. You think I'm kidding.

    1. Re:Email is dead, long live Email by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 1

      We'd be a lot better off if we blew up all the email servers, and put all of the energy and cost savings into developing encrypted telepathy. You think I'm kidding.
      Woah, how did you know what I was thinking? Wait a minute!!!!
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    2. Re:Email is dead, long live Email by mrjb · · Score: 2, Funny

      and put all of the energy and cost savings into developing encrypted telepathy
      It will never work. Considering the trash in my brain, I must conclude that it has already been done, and it has already been compromised.

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    3. Re:Email is dead, long live Email by keithjr · · Score: 1

      What's more intimidating to me is the tilting of the spam:real-message ratio COMBINED the general increase in internet traffic as more people and businesses come online. The bandwidth numbers are, frankly, staggering (sorry, can't find any good links to stats). Now, consider the economic ramifications of the amount of traffic caused by spam servers and botnets flooding the lines AND the amount of money (in commercially available products and human resources) companies and ISP's have to dedicate to stop spam from reaching users AND the lost productivity when the aforementioned measures fail AND the lower efficiency of malware-infested PC's in the botnets. This little advertising practice creates an unacceptable drain on our economy.

    4. Re:Email is dead, long live Email by soundofthemoon · · Score: 1

      Well, encrypted telepathy might be a bit beyond our tech level this decade, but you do raise an interesting point. If our current email system is essentially useless, we may finally be at the point where we can scrap it and create a replacement that isn't fundamentally vulnerable to spamming. Many of the anti-spam retrofits like SPF are limited by having to retain backwards compatibility. If we're giving that up, we could probably come up with something that works better and is easier to implement

      Interesting question: if we don't voluntarily scrap the existing email infrastructure, how long until spam makes it effectively 100% broken anyway?

    5. Re:Email is dead, long live Email by DerCed · · Score: 1

      As email asymptotically reachs 100% spam, we will have essentially created a mechanism whose sole goal is to deliver us undesired ads and scams. Talking about spam detectors and blockers and blacklists is irrelevant. Why devote all of this energy to ensure that maybe 5, 10, or 20 people can contact you or your business a day?

      That's the reason social networks are really getting grip now!!

  31. Can we go to my scheme yet? by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    Good luck with that. Particularly with the avoiding spam part. If you come up with a foolproof method that actually involves using e-mail... I'm sure you'll be a lot richer than I am.

    I have a modest proposal: Hitmen. And Hitwomen. It's simple enough. Everybody using email who are frustrated with spam donates a buck or so a year. The millions of dollars are used to hire teams of investigators who track down those sending spam, then you hire somebody to dispose of them.

    This includes programmers that write worms that use email, people who operate illegal botnets* to send out spam, etc...

    Word of the day: Defenestration

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    1. Re:Can we go to my scheme yet? by Belacgod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As what happened with e-solutions, the Russian mobsters in charge of spam will simply hire better hitmen and eliminate the ones you send, until no one will take the contracts you offer anymore.

  32. I sort of agree. by crovira · · Score: 1

    Either ISPs are common carriers (the postal system is a prime example, I get lots of 'junk mail' for every legitimate piece of mail, but at least they're getting paid to deliver the crap,) or they aren't (and NOBODY wants that.)

    Its like the telephone itself.

    Its NOT the phone company's problem if people call you in the middle of the night and threaten to cut off your balls.

    They're just the messenger.

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    1. Re:I sort of agree. by nuzak · · Score: 1

      ISPs are not common carriers. They are their own category, "data service providers", which fall somewhere inbetween. They are under no threat of losing such a status if they implement blocking measures.

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  33. Only a few more percentage points to go... by s_p_oneil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...before it reaches the level of spam I get in the mailbox in front of my house. I swear, if we want to save the trees, we need to start by arresting the people putting all those unwanted 20-100 page sales catalogs in everyone's mailbox every day.

    1. Re:Only a few more percentage points to go... by raddan · · Score: 1

      I've read that the USPS claims that junk snail mail keeps their operating costs low, so that you only need to shell out $.39 per stamp. I haven't been able to find this claim myself, but it seems plausible. FWIW, I think their expenses might be a little bit lower if they didn't have to deliver so much junk mail.

    2. Re:Only a few more percentage points to go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      dude, we have tree farms now. LEARN IT

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  35. Actually mine IS full of nothing BUT spam by crovira · · Score: 1

    I have a GMail account I created for my business that started getting spam almost immediately.

    (Some of the spam is REALLY funny [Hello {company name} why is your dick so short {no proper punctuation}]).

    The amazing thing is that I have NEVER given out that address to anyone, at anytime, for any reason.

    NOBODY knows it but the spammers so I claim the best/worst mail/spam ratio: 0% mail/100% spam.

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  36. Greylisting to the rescue! by Trifthen · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seriously.

    I hate to bring up anecdotal evidence, but, while I still get spam, my flood has gone down to a relative trickle simply by plugging postgrey into postfix. I could probably reduce it to zero with a bayesian filter, but I won't bother. Scanning through my logs, my server rejects literally thousands of spams every day, and I'm just one guy with two email addresses and a handful of aliases.

    So, it would come as no surprise to me that spam volume is that high, I just never see it. I almost want to turn off my filter for a day just to see what would happen.

    Well, maybe not. :)

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    1. Re:Greylisting to the rescue! by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Totally agreed. The last time a spam got thru to my inbox was sometime last year; the one before that was the year before. Maybe a dozen or so per day end up in my Junk folder. Some other number get deleted without ever routing to the Junk folder. Spam is a zero-level problem for me.

      But it's true, I'm just a bloke, I don't have a business.

  37. Re:Why we can't stop spam with our current techniq by raind · · Score: 1

    Just like the "War on Drugs" !

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  38. Some real spam numbers by Lokatana · · Score: 1
    I work at a large financial institution, where I manage the email team, including our mail hygiene systems. We saw spam numbers skyrocket in late august, to the point where 99% of everything hitting our perimeter is spam. For the last 3 weeks in a row, we blocked over 200,000,000 messages, which is more than triple the numbers we were seeing only 2 months ago.


    -Lok

  39. So, it's not the Russians by 00_NOP · · Score: 1

    Despite all the recent hoopla about Russian criminal gangs the article makes it clear that the US leads the world in zombied boxes.

    My point is not that Americans are evil, but rather than we need to look a lot closer to home in tackling these problems rather than looking for some grand criminal conspiracy to crack.

    The conspiracy may exist but if local ISPs simply refused to route packets from zombied boxes then their owners would soon work out they had to do something.

    1. Re:So, it's not the Russians by phillymjs · · Score: 1

      ...if local ISPs simply refused to route packets from zombied boxes then their owners would soon work out they had to do something.

      Yeah... unfortunately that something would be "switch to another ISP that doesn't have a zombied-box-cutoff policy."

      You don't expect people to actually take responsibility, do you? Ha!

      So basically that policy would never work unless all ISPs adopted it. But nobody ever will, because they'd have to add support people to deal with the cutoff victims, which would impact their profits, and we all know that when you're a telco, profits are more important than happy customers.

      ~Philly

  40. one of the way to avoid spam =) by hasmah · · Score: 1

    try to use cellpoint product to secure mail gateway to protect email. it has capability to filter out email threats unmatcheds by traditional firewalls.also provides a complete secure mail reporting and management. it is a 7 A's of secure email protection which is anti-spam, anti-virus, anti-spyware,anti-phishing,anti-relay,anti-DoS, and anti-hacking.

  41. Even trustworthy people/companies sell you out. by sherriw · · Score: 1

    I think there's more to the spam problem then the usual people we blame for it.

    I have a personal email address on my own domain that used to NEVER get spam. I moved into my own apartment a month ago and I signed up a new phone number with Bell Canada and a new account with my local city utility company. I gave that email address to both without thinking- usually I give one of my alternates. Well, now that address is getting tons of spam of the worst kind.

    So, either Bell or my local utility sold my address. Two companies that are supposed to be reputable and trustworthy. They both have privacy policies that say they don't sell or share your personal info. Apparently that's bull.

    Oh wait, the other option is that I was sent an evite from evite.com to that address. The spam might be coming from them. Gee, you can't even trust your friends not to give out your address.

    I'm not impressed. In fact I'm pissed. If I can't avoid spam by being selective about who I give my address to, then I'm not sure there's anyway to avoid it. If I wasn't a web developer, I think I'd give up email permanently. As it is I have about 10-15 addresses for various things, yuk.

    1. Re:Even trustworthy people/companies sell you out. by Socguy · · Score: 1

      Ya one would hope that local utilities are honorable but one look at some of the scumbags they employ tells me differently. Here's a little anecdote. My boss has been living with his girlfriend for the past year or so and as a result never goes back to his place. About a month ago the city calls and wanted to check his water meter because 'it must be broken because it's not reading any water usage'. He insisted that it was fine but you know the city and they weren't about to drop it. Against his better judgment he decides to come clean and tell them that the place wasn't using any water because it was sitting empty. This got the city off his back... Not a week goes by and he finds his back door kicked in. They didn't get away with anything because, he'd removed anything of value, knowing that nobody would be around that often.

      Coincidence??? Maybe....

    2. Re:Even trustworthy people/companies sell you out. by rk075001 · · Score: 1

      Totally agree. I used to have an email address that is on my personal domain (just created few days) and just use it to sign up for credit card account at a local bank. After a week when I checked this account, it is full of spams that I can never imagined. The worst case is, within the two weeks after I signed up, I even get calls from other banks (which I do not have an account at it) ask me whether I'm interested to apply for a credit card. When I ask how did the operator gets my number, she said from somewhere which I never heard before in my life. Well, I guess those banks really have "good" network between them.

  42. IE vulnerabilities by bcrowell · · Score: 1

    I keep seeing statements, including one in the PDF report from TFA, that Win+IE users can get their machines infected with malware just by visiting a web site, without even clicking their mouse on anything in the site. However, these statements always seem to come from people who make money in the security business, and they never seem to say anything about what the actual IE vulnerabilities are. I'm very skeptical, although I haven't run Windows in a decade, so maybe I'm just naive. Can any slashdotters with expertise in Win+IE security explain more about this? Does this only apply to IE6, not IE7? Versions earlier than Vista? Does it apply to a default install of Windows, or only to misconfigured systems? When a home user buys a machine with Windows these days, doesn't it basically come configured so that security updates are offered automatically, and all the user has to do is click OK? Are these vulnerabilities in ActiveX? Are they buffer overflows? Flaws in the basic Windows security model? In any case, the whole thing seems faintly ridiculous to me -- if IE+Win security is really this bad, you'd have to be an idiot not to switch to Firefox, and yet many security companies are proposing that users do expensive and/or time-consuming things to work around vulnerabilities in Win+IE.

    1. Re:IE vulnerabilities by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 1

      Read the SANS ISC diary series called "Follow the bouncing malware" http://www.google.com/search?q=%22follow+the+bouncing+malware%22+site:sans.org&hl=en (link to google because the ISC diary archive search sucks) It goes into deep detail on how malware downloaders work (or worked in the not-so-distant past).

      The articles are from 2004-2005, so the specific .chm exploit they talk about in the first few has been patched on most machines by now, but that sort of javascript shenanigans that download and execute files without the user's knowledge are still being used to spead malware. Presumably they shouldn't work in Vista's IE sandbox, since they depend on IE being able to call outside executables, but I don't know for sure.

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    2. Re:IE vulnerabilities by bcrowell · · Score: 1

      Hmm...thanks for the link, but it tends to reinforce my impression that this whole thing is only an issue on machines with very old, unpatched configurations, and can be fixed easily either by applying the default security patches that MS puts out, or by switching from IE to Firefox.

      but that sort of javascript shenanigans that download and execute files without the user's knowledge are still being used to spead malware.
      The javascript security model doesn't allow client-side javascript to read or write files on the client's machine.

      Presumably they shouldn't work in Vista's IE sandbox, since they depend on IE being able to call outside executables, but I don't know for sure.
      Hmm... well, the exploit described at your link apparently only worked on an unpatched machine in 2004, presumably because there was an error in IE's implementation of the javascript security model, an error that had already been patched by 2004.

    3. Re:IE vulnerabilities by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 1

      The javascript security model doesn't allow client-side javascript to read or write files on the client's machine.

      Right, and any hole that lets javascript get around that (like the .chm viewer vulnerability) will be patched soon after it starts getting exploited by malware. There have been other attacks using the same "drive-by download" (find a plugin with weak security and local filesystem access, use javascript to make it drop and execute a malware downloader) technique. Keeping up to date with Windows patches blocks all of them that I know about (though that's not very many), but there's more to it than just a one-time patch to keep javascript from writing to local files.

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    4. Re:IE vulnerabilities by bcrowell · · Score: 1

      There have been other attacks using the same "drive-by download" (find a plugin with weak security and local filesystem access, use javascript to make it drop and execute a malware downloader) technique.
      I see. So does switching from IE to FF even help, if it's actually a vulnerability in a plugin? I guess it would help if it was a plugin that the user didn't actually need, and that wasn't implemented in FF.

  43. Trust no one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I run my own mailserver, and nearly every vendor I deal with gets their own email address. If any one of those addresses starts getting spam I know exactly who has sold my address (and who as a result is never getting my business again).

    I even have a different address that I give to some friends and relatives who I suspect will forward a lot of jokes and other crap, so my 'good' address doesn't get scraped out of those mass-forwards, either.

    1. Re:Trust no one! by sherriw · · Score: 1

      *sigh* I try to do this. But there's only so many email addresses I can keep track of.

    2. Re:Trust no one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's easy with Postfix, I just make aliases so all those accounts go to my main account. I only have to check one inbox, but the origin of all the incoming mail is easy to determine. This method also makes using rules to file/forward/etc incoming mail a total breeze.

      Any vendor pisses me off and poof, their alias goes bye-bye and their messages get rejected.

  44. Talk to the person adminning? your mailserver by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    My account on my own domain doesn't get much spam, that is because the username is fairly unusual. HOWEVER the amount of spam the server gets is rather larger. It is offcourse rejected as it silently drops email for a non-existing account. Now it all depends on how well known your domain is, I had obscure ones that barely got touched and popular ones were I needed a seperate machine to just deal with it all. I don't even bother reading the admin email, you should as this is the official way to get in touch with you, but geez gods, who has the time to read all that crap. (Filter it an a real complaint might get dumped because a complaint about YOUR server spamming often includes the spam, triggering the filter)

    You can imagine that if you operate a mailserver for a large group of people, who all go around putting their emailadress all over the place, that the amount of spam is far far greater.

    I don't find these figures at all suprising, I happen to know several people who still work for ISP's and I have been hearing this for a long time. Oh it might be 90% or it might be 99%, it is a HUGE amount and out of control.

    Don't think to lightly of it either, YOUR isp bill has to pay for techies with no other job then to keep email going (without spam even national ISP's could do this with a partimer), pay for ever more powerfull hardware to handle it all, pay for then bandwidth etc etc.

    It is easy for you to say that YOU don't get much spam on YOUR account, but we are talking here about figures reported by systerm administrators for large networks.

    To give you a basic idea how bad it is, couple of years ago I decided to monitor the traffic from our mailservers at a large company. Like most offices we close at night, so you would expect a downfall in the amount of traffic right? WRONG. No way was that legit email, we were a local office with no real business emailing to the rest of the world. So how come the mailserver didn't show a massive drop in traffic and load at night? Spam.

    So who gets 95% spam? The poor smuck running your mailserver.

    Is it really that figure? Oh that depends on so much, how well is your domain known, how widely are your email accounts spread etc etc, lets just say that we have for a long had to deal with the fact that the fast majority of emails are spam.

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  45. Re:Why we can't stop spam with our current techniq by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Just like the "War on Drugs" !

    Are you stating that filtering spam is ineffective, like the "war on drugs", or are you stating that removing the economic incentive would be ineffective like the "war on drugs"?
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  46. Finally found the question... by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

    The ultimate question: How many years after the Unix epoch (1970) will the universe end? 42
  47. Neutral carrier, by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    ISP's transmit data, I really don't want them to be starting to be clever. What next, RIAA requests that people are limited to X posts to usenet so they can't post large binaeries? Limit P2P traffic? Sniff traffic in general for undesired elements?

    In a way, my PC becoming a spam zombie is part of the price of freedom. Do you really want the internet to be regulated?

    Oh sure, you can start light, but in the end sooner or later someone will abuse it and push for ever more stringent restriction, all in the name of the common good.

    For instance, limit each IP to no more then say 6 outbound connections, that should be enough, you can request more, and they will know you are a dirty P2Per who needs to be reported.

    No my friend, let ISP's remain in their role as dumb data carriers, we got to fight spam another way then by given up freedom.

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    You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.

  48. Sometimes true, sometimes not by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 1
    While the article is accurate for corporate emails, it is not accurate for my personal email.

    The first day on my new job with a brand new email, it got barraged with spam. Instantly. The company has spam filtering and when I checked the spam folder they dated back to my start date. So somehow the spammers had access to the company directory. I configured Outlook to turn off the preview pane because that is how embedded executables run when you open an email.

    My personal email account gets zero spam. ZERO. The personal address is given only to friends and family, never to a website or business. I have auxilary accounts that are reserved for those websites that insist on an email to join, or when I place an order over the net with a business. Sort of a layer between potential spam and me. None of my friends/family have those account addresses so I check them far less often, and on the rare occasion there is an email that requires my attention, I forward it to my personal account.

    That has been very effective in keeping spam out of my inbox. My webmail is also effective in that it is text based and I never see HTML or embedded images, a popular tactic with spammers. It also can't autorun embedded viruses.

    I can confirm that Yahoo! is the worse offender. I have a special account that only Yahoo! has. Their TOS claims they will not spam my account or sell the email address to 3rd parties. Either they are lying or someone has access to their email address database because that account has been barraged with spam and only Yahoo! has that address.

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    1. Re:Sometimes true, sometimes not by stry_cat · · Score: 1

      Your user name can be found by searching profiles.yahoo.com. Once they find a username they'll send email to it @yahoo.com. There's also the brute force method of just sending email to every combination of letters @yahoo.com. I doubt Yahoo! is actually selling your address. Of course if they improved their spam filter that would help too.

  49. Re: German Spam by Crouty · · Score: 1
    I never ever get German spam. And I am a Crouty after all.

    In fact, a simple regular expression matching "der" or "mit" would be a better test for legitimate mail than Thunderbird's crappy heuristics.

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  50. Maybe it's about time we got rid of email. by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

    I don't think anything's going to curb the problem, short of a full-scale military invasion of russia and china.

    Hey, now there's an idea... if we start labelling spammers as terr'ists something might get done about it.

  51. Re:Why we can't stop spam with our current techniq by raind · · Score: 1

    Are you stating that filtering spam is ineffective, like the "war on drugs" - Yes.

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  52. MOD PARENT UP by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    EXACTLY. Very unreliable, not due to spam but to spam filtering. Frankly I prefer reliability with 90% spam to what we've got now. At least I'd get to choose my own filtering and have noone to blame but myself for choosing it, if it's lousy. But then, I'm not an ISP who cares more about his bandwidth costs than he does his customer's email reliability...

  53. Re:Why we can't stop spam with our current techniq by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    Good point-- how about setting up a "waiting period" for getting a domain name?

  54. Stating the Obvious by grilled-cheese · · Score: 1

    In other news, grass is green and the sky is blue.

  55. Spam Probably Ain't an acronyM.

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    1. Re:SPAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up. SPAM is canned meat. Unsolicited bulk email is spam.

  56. Just give it time... by RandyOo · · Score: 1

    I've made it several YEARS with absolutely no spam, following the same procedure as you. And then, late last year, my grandmother submitted my email address to a web site set up to harvest email addresses, under the guise of offering "free stuff" to folks whose email addresses you submitted. The jerks would send multiple emails per day, and finally I looked up contact info for the owner of the domain, and called the guy up at 2am. He was apologetic, and promised to remove my address as we spoke.

    For the next 6 months, my private address was clean, but then one spam showed up. Then another. Now I guess I need to just admit that my private address is probably in the wild, and will eventually attract hundreds of spams per day.

    For your sake, I hope your friends and family know better than to give your email address out to anyone, or never CC your address, lest it go to someone else whose machine gets pwned and harvested...

    If I had it all to do over again, I would assign individual addresses for everyone, including family and close friends.

  57. Re:Why we can't stop spam with our current techniq by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    how about setting up a "waiting period" for getting a domain name?

    I think the spammers would happily wait for their domain names to clear and then start using them nefariously.

    So if you want my opinion (and I'll give it to you either way) on registration, I think the registrars should be forced to keep true and accurate records of who they sell domains to. There are well-known spammers who are known to use aliases when registering domains, and they seem to know complacent registrars that will let them do that. If the registrars actually required accurate identification for each customer - even if they didn't make it publicly available through WHOIS - they could watch out for repeat offenders. The spammer known as "Leo Kuvayev" , aka "BadCow" , aka "Alex Rodrigez", has registered thousands of domain names through a handful of registrars. If the registrars were obligated to actually watch who they sell to, they could stop this problem at the registrar level and it would largely go away.

    But as it is, the registrars are of course getting a cut of the pie - at least in registration costs. So there is no incentive for them to stop selling to the known offenders. If we could make it no longer profitable for the crooked registrars to do this, we could start bringing the machine down.
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  58. There is already a solution for 90% of the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    SPF for the moment, transitioning to DKIM as quickly as possible.

    Unfortunately, the largest sources of the problem (comcast, rr, attbi, etc.) believe they derive income from NOT stopping viruses, worms, and spam, and they aren't held accountable for damage caused by their greed. So their misinformed and incompetent staff are not going to implement any fixes.

    If you haven't implemented SPF, and aren't seriously studying DKIM, you should not be a mail service provider. A person shouldn't expect a plumber's apprentice to perform a colonoscopy properly, after all.

    But armchair libertarians often forget that laissez-faire capitalism only functions properly when all customers are perfectly informed. Most people never heard of standards-based anti-spoofing technologies and do not understand how preventing spoofing impacts spam management; so they cannot make the informed choices that would allow "the invisible hand of the marketplace" to become an iron fist crushing the incompetent service providers.

  59. Re:Greylisting to the rescue! (or not) by Anti-Trend · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I knew somebody would bring up greylisting. :) During the business day[1], I work for a company that produces several widely-used anti-spam appliances and a service-based filter as well. We see about 2,000 networks a week, and get a pretty good feel for spam trends and countermeasure effectiveness. I can say with all honesty that in my experiences, greylisting hurts more than it helps for most organizations.
     
    Basically, greylisting is putting an email transaction on hold to see if the sender will retry. The idea is that if the sender is illigitimate, they won't bother resending. However, spammers have been onto this method for as long as it's existed, much moreso lately. All they have to do is take greylisted hosts and move them to the end of their script for later processing. The second time around, the spam gets through anyway. Even with its meager benefits, most organizations want email to come through as quickly as possible, and greylisting delays email by its very nature. It's also much less effective than existing technology that won't hinder most legitimate mail like DNSBL and/or SPF, spamwords+OCR (for image spam), and blocking on unknown recipients.
     
      To summate, if greylisting makes you happy, then don't let me dissuade you from using it. it does indeed stop some spam. But please don't give the false impression that it's a magic bullet; most of the complaints we receive are from clients who've enabled greylisting and can't figure out why their mail is delayed.

    [1] I am also a consultant to another firm who hosts manged email with spam filtering. Due to the complaints above, we have also disabled greylisting there. It was only effective at stopping about 5% of spam reliably, but a delay is put on all mail that isn't otherwise whitelisted. There are plenty of other methods which are both more effective and don't slow down the mailflow or tie up much resources on the MTA.

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  60. The number is likely attempted deliveries only by badger.foo · · Score: 1

    We see a lot of junk hitting our greylist at the gateway, but 95% just ends there.

    OpenBSD's spamd is a wonderful greylister, and it offers a few other options which will
    make a dent in the reminaing few if you can be bothered to set it up. See my blog at
    http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ and links from there for some examples.

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  61. Re:Why we can't stop spam with our current techniq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, because as 9/11 taught us, a valid ID is a 100% guarantee of non-malicious intent.

  62. It's not technically difficult to do. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The solutions that you've proposed have been discussed, and dismissed, for eons now.

    It would be far more productive to look at things which have actually worked, and have failed. Personally, I am now getting about a 1000 spam attempts per day, and will see only a few actually get through per week. Spamhouse DROP, greylisting, RBL's and spamassasin are extremely effective. So if you're getting a lot of spam, blame the system administrator. It doesn't need to be this way.

    The second problem is that spam is still being sent (using bandwidth, cpu time and disk storage). The originating SPAM can also be eliminated. Spammers have proven themselves to be vulnerable. There was an outfit in Israel which actually got spammer account shut down via the CAN-SPAM act, using peoples complaints.

    They were so successful that they actually had the spammers whining about losing money. This is a first in the history of email. The spammers were so upset that they went to the effort of a DDoS attack, and got that Israeli company shut down.

    Now if that company had been more technically competent, they would've seen this obvious attack coming and had the standard defenses in place. But no, they went out of business.

    But the clear example remains. Spammers are vulnerable, from the simplest of attacks.

    Another attack which has been mentioned recently is to buy up some of the botnets, and point them to the Russian Business Network servers, and other servers. This too is rather simple to do.

    And finally, the Spamhause DROP effort via BGP looks extremely promising. Good luck getting around that.

    So the upshot here is that spammers are vulnerable to some very straightforward attacks. We just need to finish implementing them.

  63. Re:Greylisting to the rescue! (or not) by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

    Actually, greylisting seems to be a magic bullet for I, an individual, since all the other methods don't work nearly as well (possibly because I'm using older stabler versions of e.g. spamassassin on Debian). As an added bonus, the only record of the transactions are in the logs-- not in my spam maildir, so grepping for blocked emails is A LOT faster.

  64. It's giving us the finger. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nuff said.

  65. Re:Greylisting to the rescue! (or not) by Anti-Trend · · Score: 1

    I'm sure you have seen reduced spam as a result of greylisting, since many spammers currently won't retry. That said, the heavy-hitters all do. Additionally, the newer versions of automated spam scripts floating around have all improved on their greylist bypassing, as described in my earlier post on this thread. They simply move your MX to the end of their long spam list and hit you again later. So, while greylisting may be fairly effective for you presently, even the lesser spammers and zombie PC are adapting to greylisting. Over time, you'll see that method only continue to degrade in effectiveness. Also, you are adding a delay to each email. So while that is viable for you (I don't mind a delay either), for many companies it's not even an option.

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  66. Postage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IIRC the paper spam is paid for by the sender, not the carrier nor the recipient.

  67. The spam percentage will keep growing by kasperd · · Score: 1

    I predict the spam percentage will keep growing as long as no ISP is willing to spend the resources it takes to stop it. Companies, who think they can make money from fighting spam are never going to help. Rather it is companies that provide other services (such as email), who have to start understanding their obligation to spend some of their income on fighting the abuse that could be done through their service.

    First of all when you sign up for a connection, the contract should state, that you are not allowed to send spam, and you are liable for the cost to track you down, if you do. It could be done by paying some reasonable deposit when signing up. And when ISPs make peering agreements, responsibility to track down the origin of spam has to be part of the agreement. If ISPs were willing to operate this way, it would just require one recipient of a spam message to contact his own ISP about it, and the source of that mail would be tracked down and disconnected from the net. (Same solution could be used for flooding and IP spoofing, which are also things that can only be stopped at the source).

    It just ain't gonna happen. Because end users don't understand how it works. And as long as end users don't understand, they are going to choose the cheapest provider, which is the one who does not spend resources on fighting spam. Oh, maybe they have a socalled spam filter, which based on some heuristics throws away some of the messages to their own customers, and the customers will be happy (and blame the sender of messages, when the filter discards legitimate messages).

    I feel we are now at the point, where the problems caused by spam filters blocking legitimate email are growing faster than the spam itself. And we will have to witness a total meltdown of the email system, before anybody will grab the problems by the root and solve it.

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    1. Re:The spam percentage will keep growing by durdur · · Score: 1

      You can cut off the end user, but if that end user's machine is part of a botnet, then how much good does that do? That user doesn't have clue who sent spam from his machine. Then what does he do about it? You or I can clean or re-image the box, but your average joe with an email account is not going to find that easy (and the odds he will fix the vulnerability that caused him to get compromised in the first place are really low).

    2. Re:The spam percentage will keep growing by kasperd · · Score: 1

      You can cut off the end user, but if that end user's machine is part of a botnet, then how much good does that do?
      If this was something that ISPs would do consistently, I think it would make people more careful. And if somebody were actually liable for the resources spend by the ISPs finding and disconnecting bots, then it would be feasible to disconnect most of the bots in a botnet. Of course completely disconnecting would not be necesarry, it could be put in a sandbox with access to a "transparent" proxy, that would still allow it to download cleaning tools and security updates (not that I believe you can reliably clean a compromised machine, but it may work sometimes). They just need to prevent the machine from sending spam.

      An alternative to the sandbox would be for an ISP to just flag all packets from compromised machines, then the recipient can decide whether they want to accept traffic from compromised machines. If you have a download service with security updates or you provide a service to clean compromised machines, you would obviously want to allow the packets. If you run a mail server and want to prevent spam, you would not allow compromised machines to connect to your port 25. I think the security bit defined in RFC 3514 could be used for this purpose.

      That user doesn't have clue who sent spam from his machine.
      True, and nobody may ever be able to find out. Finding out who did it is not the most important, it is much more important to learn how to stop it and preventing it from happening again.

      Then what does he do about it? You or I can clean or re-image the box, but your average joe with an email account is not going to find that easy
      The solution will show up once enough people have the problem. I could provide people with the necesarry help on managing their machine if they run Linux, but currently I don't see enough demand, that I could do it for a living. I couldn't provide much help to users of other operating systems, but there are probably other people who can. I seriously think that people who does not have the abilities to be system administrator of their own computer should buy that support elsewhere, an ISP could sell it as an optional extra service along with an Internet connection. An environment where a capable system administrator is a requirement would create a demand for operating systems that are so easy to administrate, that the average home user is capable of doing so.

      the odds he will fix the vulnerability that caused him to get compromised in the first place are really low
      In many cases it is just a matter of upgrading the vulnurable software to the latest version, in which the bug has been fixed. How often is it really the case that bots are compromised through vulnurabilities for which there is no fix? Would only happen if the bug was not known by the softare vendor, or if the software vendor decided not to fix it. Of course a machine can also be compromised due to user error. I don't want to get into an argument about whether that is because the user is stupid or because the software is too difficult to use.
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    3. Re:The spam percentage will keep growing by pcol · · Score: 1
  68. Nice try. by PhxBlue · · Score: 1

    I don't think anything's going to curb the problem, short of a full-scale military invasion of russia and china.
    That will solve the problem, all right, but not the way you think. The United States is, and has been for several years, the primary originator of spam e-mail. E-Week published a report last month with a breakdown in numbers. Compared to 2004, when the United States was responsible for anywhere from 50 to 80 percent of spam worldwide, this isn't too bad ... but you're still getting more spam from American computers than you're getting from China and Russia combined.
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  69. Re:Why we can't stop spam with our current techniq by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Yes, because as 9/11 taught us, a valid ID is a 100% guarantee of non-malicious intent.

    Ah, yes, Mr. Guiliani, it looks like you forgot to take your tourette's meds today. Oh well, I'll answer your comment anyways.

    The point I was making is that many of the spamvertised domains are registered to prolific spammers. We don't need to worry about the intent of new people registering domains nearly as much as we should pay attention to repeat customers. If the crooked registrars like pacnames.com and bizcn.com would actually track their customers they would find that they are repeatedly selling domains to criminals. And if they were held liable for this, they may even consider not doing it. But if instead they just take money and turn to look the other way, then the spammers will always have safe harbors to turn to, to keep their enterprises running.
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  70. Re:Greylisting to the rescue! (or not) by Trifthen · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think you miss the true point of greylisting. See, the delay is only half of the whole equation. Sure, the host may try again, but I'm also subscribed to a few relatively non-strict DNSBL lists. Now, imagine the combination:
    1. Spammer sends a spam.
    2. Spam gets delayed by 5 minutes.
    3. Lazy Spammer neglects to resend. EOM.
    4. Spammer gets put into a DNSBL sometime during the day.
    5. Creative Spammer resends several hours later.
    6. Rejected as bad host, due to DNSBL.
    Also, postgrey, like most greylist plugins, will automatically whitelist an IP that has had several successful deliveries over the course of a few days. It regularly purges this list every 30 days, so if a spammer accidentally gets whitelisted, that doesn't last long. And like I said, DNSBL is checked *before* the greylist is invoked. So, 95+% of spam sent to me every day, never makes it past my SMTP server. And if I bothered to bolt a bayesian filter on top, I'd probably get a handful of spam per year, but I can handle deleting the half dozen that make it through every week. It may not work for everyone, but Email Purgatory seems damn good to me.
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  71. One problem: Re:penalize the seller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One problem with penalizing the seller. If I am a competitor and there is a sufficiently harmful penalty for being the "seller" in a spam message, I just might do some "spamvertising" for you. Even make it really spammy so that you are sure to be caught.

  72. Re:Why we can't stop spam with our current techniq by SL+Baur · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We can't stop it because we aren't addressing the real problem. Spam is an economic problem. People send out spam because they make money off of it. And they will therefore continue to send out spam as long as they make money off of it.

    If you want to stop spam, you have to remove the economic incentive. To do that, you need to cut off the co-conspirators You're right, but for the wrong (IMO) reason. Spam has economic incentive because all the costs of email are borne by the recipient. Botnets have made it even cheaper. You must remove that if you want to really fix the problem.

    If you do not remove the economic incentive, nothing will work because it will just be an arms race and the "good guys" will necessarily always be on the defensive side.
  73. Egress filtering by rickbassman · · Score: 1

    The vast majority of the spam I see going through our servers at work comes from dynamic address space. There are LOTS of unpatched boxes connected to broadband service just waiting to be taken over (and over and over...) by bot-masters. It seems to me that the bulk of the problem could be solved if ISPs would simply apply egress filters for port 25 to traffic from their dynamic address space(s).

  74. Re:Why we can't stop spam with our current techniq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why the we must stop focusing on the spammers and instead focus solely on the benefactors of the spam - ie. make it illegal to be a party to a financial transaction facilitated by unsolicited email. Illegal for both the seller AND the buyer. Yes, Joe Sixpack clicking on the Viaaaaggggra link in his inbox and entering his credit card becomes liable for an offense, along with the other party in the transaction, who should be liable for jail terms (financial penalties simply rebalance the economic equation and worsen the spam problem).

    Force this with sufficient advertising and public awareness and a few high profile prosecutions and things will start to change.

  75. signal to noise ratio by johnrpenner · · Score: 1


    its gettin to be a mighty high signal to noise ratio,
    but people will still keep using email, because...

        The will is not set upon a surplus of pleasure, but upon
    the amount of pleasure that remains after getting over the pain.
    This is the essence of all genuine will... It reaches its goal
    though the path be full of thorns. It lies in human nature to
    pursue it so long as the displeasure connected with it
    does not extinguish the desire altogether.

    The question is not whether the pleasure to be gained is greater
    than the pain, but whether the desire for the goal is greater
    than the hindering effect of the pain involved... for the will
    is not set upon a surplus of pleasure, but upon the amount of
    pleasure that remains after getting over the pain.
    This still appears as a goal worth striving for.

    (R. Steiner, Philosphy of Freedom)

  76. tepples+slashdot@myisp.tld by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see a solution a bit more involved than simple whitelisting. This may fall into that famous "Why your idea to stop spam can't work" rubric, but I'll suggest it anyway. What you describe can and often is done in mail user agents. For example, if my e-mail address is tepples@myisp.tld, and my ISP supports plus-aliases (e.g. SpamCop), I can assign tepples+slashdot@myisp.tld. Then once the spam starts pouring in, I can tell Slashdot that my new address is tepples+slash2k7@myisp.tld and then set a rule to decrease importance of messages where To: or Cc: contains "+slashdot@". People who own a domain can use a catch-all address and sort incoming mail based on the part preceding @, such as k-cinque@mydomain.tld for K5 or bmo@mydomain.tld for Bugzilla at Mozilla.org. The friend-of-a-friend part sounds like sounds like a combination of the PGP web of trust, but it's hard to get a strongly connected web of trust unless someone in your area holds key signing parties with famous frequent fliers.
  77. Re:There is already a solution for 90% of the prob by zix619 · · Score: 1

    I agree that DKIM can help (http://dkim.org/) BUT it's not going to solve all the problems. the point is that dkim is specially useful to authenticate the sender. I see two problems with this, 1) Many spammers aren't afraid of being authenticated. actually operating from some remote country it doesn't bother them to be identified. 2) The problem of zombies, spam today is principally generated from botnets and so on. This means that the spam could be sent from very legitimate addresses. I believe some simple solution would be to make people pay per email they send. This is mainly the reason we don't receive tons of junk at our door everyday. Spammers can't afford to send millions of emails a day if they have to pay for it and the zombie PC owners would spend more money to protect their systems if they have 100$ bills to pay every month. I know that this is completely different from the current approach of free email but I believe over time this is the best solution to change the economics of spam. I see it as a lost of innocence of Internet :-)

  78. I just got my first real example of 'fast flux'.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a few thousand spam today with the subject of 'Nominated for 'Cheapest Pharmacy Store' AWARD!'. I occasionally run a few of the newer subject spams through spamcop to examine for a pattern, and just for giggles. This particular one's webpage link would change IP in the time it takes to refresh the spamcop report page, going through no less than 8 different IP's in a matter 45 seconds. Kinda boggles the mind....

  79. Use Cloudmark by sterlingda · · Score: 1

    In my experience, the best email filter is Cloudmark.com, for Outlook or Outlook Express. It doesn't use a challenge message (which I've found few people respond to, so I end up having to carefully review the trash heap). Cloudmark is a community-policing approach. If a spam message slips through into my inbox in Outlook Express, I simply click on a "spam" link in the tool bar (installed by Cloudmark), and the message is moved to the "Spam" folder where Cloudmark has automatically placed other items considered "spam" by others in the community. Such a designation is tagged on the sender's messages, automatically sending their messages to the "spam" folder on the other user's accounts so they never see it. An individual participant's credibility rating is weighed in whether or not a message is actually flagged as spam for the other members of the community. They have a 15-day free trial. In the first month I used it, only four legitimate messages made it into the "spam" folder, where I then clicked on the "unblock" button in the tool bar, to send it to the inbox. That is far less than any of the other filter services I've used. I've not had anything legitimate land there for a week. And what's nice about it is that they are all in one folder (the "spam" folder), and it is easy to visually scan down through them to make sure nothing legitimate is there. I can scan about 1000 spam messages in about a minute. I get around 800 spam/phish/virus messages a day. Of those, probably around 15-20 spam messages make it into my inbox. I only get about one phish message every three to four days in my inbox. One downside of this method is that all of my email (including the volumes of spam/phish/virus email) is being downloaded onto my computer, making my Norton pop up virus interception messages nearly every time Outlook Express cycles to retrieve new mail each hour. With SpamArrest, only the cleared emails were downloaded. Overall, with Cloudmark, I spend much less time tending to the junk mail each day. Cloudmark Desktop is the first and largest spam-fighting community in the world, which contributes to the speed and accuracy in tagging spam/phish/viruses.

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  80. Dump Yahoo. They are almost as bad as Hotmail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, this is a well-known problem. It's been around for years. Just do some searching and you'll find that Yahoo doesn't care. There's nothing you can do to change their mind.

    Same thing happened to me. So I went to the time and trouble of adding Yahoo's domainkeys to my mail server. Guess what? It doesn't matter. They ignore their very own so-called solution.

    What appears to have happened is that they went through all the time and trouble to develop Domainkeys, and get an RFC approved for its successor DKIM, only to find out that both technologies are nearly worthless. They do not stop spam. They don't even address the core problem.

    Dump Yahoo. Go with gmail or some other free email service.

  81. How do they know? by (pvb)charon · · Score: 1

    No, I didn't read TFA but if they analyzed billions of messages, how do they know which ones are spam? I mean, for sure? And why do I still have a couple of false negatives with my Bogofilter if such a technology exists?
    charon

  82. counts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did a count yesterday.
    99.75% of 120000 discarded

  83. MP3 spam by Bob+the+Hamster · · Score: 1

    I got several MP3 spams this morning. I listened to one (after sandboxing it just in case it was an MPEG decoder exploit) and it was a female synth voice reading the text of a standard pump-and-dump stock spam.

  84. Another way to get rid of spam by El_Oscuro · · Score: 1

    Most spam is blocked by spam filters like spam assassin and spamd, so it never reaches anyones inbox. Still it is profitable for the spammers because it costs them almost nothing. They just set up 10,000 unpatched Windows boxes on their botnet, and bingo, 15 million V1a6ras a day. All of the cost is borne by the owners of the botnet PCs, their ISPs, and the ISPs of the people who receive the spam. All the spammer has to do is set up a crappy server to handle the few people who respond to the spam that gets through, and ??? profit!

    What is the one thing all spam has? A URL to their server, of course. Otherwise, how would you be able to buy anything from them? What if the spam filters scanned the filtered spam for the URLs, and automatically sent opt-out requests to them, one for each filtered spam? Slashdotted by their own botnets!

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  85. 95%?? by seriwani · · Score: 1

    Wow! 95%?! impressive..somebody must do something. i really hate spam. i always get stupid & useless spam in my inbox..X(

  86. Re:How to Implement Ham Passwords? by PK075014 · · Score: 1

    If you can control the ruleset of your spam content filtering system, then implementing ham passwords is easy: just add a rule for the ham passwords, and maybe another rule for the reply indicator.

    But if you can't manipulate your spam content filtering system, you can still implement ham passwords. Most mail systems have a simple rule system that can let you search subjects (and bodies) for specific phrases, and then if those phrases are included, directly move that message immediately into the Inbox or some other folder. That's all you need to implement ham passwords. People already use these mechanisms so that, for example, they can automatically get messages that mention a topic they're keenly interested in, or presort their messages into different folders, or trash certain spam, so the necessary mechanism is already widely implemented and understood by many. Many systems (like Runbox) even let you prioritize these rules, so it's easy to make searching for the ham passwords a high-priority rule that supercedes many other rules. Here are a few examples:

    1. Yahoo (a web-based email service). Once logged in, click on "Mail Options", then click on "Filters". Click on "Add" to add a new rule, name the rule (name it something obvious like "Ham password") and then next to the entry for Subject "contains", add the value of your ham password. Select the action as move the message to "Inbox" (or some other folder), then click on "Add Filter".
    2. Runbox (a web-based email service). Once logged in, click on "Manager", then click on "Filter". Select Messages where "subject" "contains" the ham password, and state that they will be saved to folder Inbox (or another folder). Be sure to select that the rule is "Active", then click on "Save settings".
    3. Mozilla / Netscape / Thunderbird (popular email clients). Select Tools/Message Filters, then click "New". Set the filter for incoming messages that match any of the "Subject" "contains" and then enter the ham password. Set the action to be "Move to folder" and the relevant "Inbox" folder (or another folder if you prefer). Then click "OK". This information is actually for Netscape 7, but Mozilla Mail (what Netscape is based on) and Mozilla Firefox should be quite similar.
    4. Outlook (a popular email client). Select Tools > Rules Wizard, click on "New" to create a new rule, click on "Check messages when they arrive" and then Next, and click the box next to "with specific words in the subject". A new dialog box will appear where you can Add as the words or phrases (you can add more than one); then click Next. Click on "move it to the specified folder"; then pick a folder ("Inbox" is a reasonable choice). Then give the rule a name (like "Ham password"). You can prioritize this rule, if you want to. This information is for Outlook 2000, but other versions are likely similar.
  87. reduce spam by pk073919 · · Score: 1

    95% of spam huh? quite bad rite..this link contains information how can you reduce amount of spam in ur inbox=) http://www.lib.lsu.edu/systems/software/spam_info.html =))