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Microsoft Windows 7 "Wishlist" Leaked
Cassius Corodes is one of many readers to point out that a recent "wishlist" of new Windows development features is floating around the net. This list was supposedly leaked from Microsoft and contains some of their key development features for the next version of Windows. Given that the next new Windows release is bound to be a long way off I would recommend seasoning this news with a hefty dose of sodium chloride.
Back up XBOX 360 games to Windows PC - Ain't gonna happen
New PIP functionality for Media Center - PIP *.WMA/L
Infinite desktop, virtual desktop idea - Maybe they could port fvwm
Option to "Reopen Closed tabs" in IE - This will be addressed via "Are you sure you want to close this tab?"
Auto clean of Temp folders - How about including a way to define which are temp folders.
How about fixing the paging to use it's own partition, ffs!
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
Oh, and everyone will wait until Service Pack 1 before they even consider upgrading.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
The windows taskbar is really rubbish :(
"just die already" in the list? :( I feel betrayed!
It will sell better than Vista!
Thanks to file sharing, I purchase more CDs
Thanks to the RIAA, I buy them used...
people buy it this time
Who needs Windows sodium chloride: Us open source people make our own. Just give us hydrochoric acid and sodium hydroxide and we'll make... AAAAAAGGGGHHHH
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Microsoft is displeased at the leak. Apparently it's not a wishlist at all.
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So is this a new list or did they simply take the list of all the features they removed from Longhorn before it became Vista and exchanged the header?
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
half that stuff on their list is already a part of firefox and either a part of many linux distros or easily addable- what is new here exactly?
Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
Trashcan icons, Close button on a browser tab, Antivirus?
It's no wonder they fight the DOJ and European Union to retain their freedom to innovate.
Apple at least added a backup facility and optimised the OS so it runs smoother.
Step 1: Release awful product
Step 2: Seed the marketplace with rumours about how great the next version will be
Step 3: Sell a lot of awful product (this is the Profit!!! step)
Step 4: Develop next version, dropping cool features and instead devoting more development time to Microsoft Bob, Clippy, and meaningless user-interface tweaks
Loop around to Step 1.
7 Things for Windows 7
No DRM
No Bloat
No Eye Candy
No ClearType
No Authentication or WGA
No Restrictions for Video or Audio Output
No Search Indexing
Given the latency involved with getting 65,000 people into the right parking spaces, much less coding up an operating system, I'd guess the list is this:
1. Telepathy
2. Time Travel
3. Prescience
4. Anomie
5. 4D Interface
6. Zen
7. Levitation
technical writing / development
execrable. it's not going to be pretty, but when it's over everything will improve dramatically almost immediately. see you there?
17 years (!) after Windows 95-style open-and-save dialog boxes debuted, and I still can't simply drag and drop the folders *I* want into and out of the "Places" bar. (Or change the "Other places" links, if I have that left-hand taskbar thingie enabled.)
In explorer, I can open the favorites in the left-hand pane by clicking the "favorites" button -- but there is no way to KEEP it permanently open. I have to click the favorites button every. single. time.
Open and save dialogs highlight the entire filename in the text entry field, despite the fact that 99 times out of 100, I don't want to change the extension.
etc etc etc.
- Alaska Jack
PS Using Windows XP pro. Don't know if these have changed in Vista.
It time for MS to take it for a spin and figure out which ideas they will spend the next 7 years trying to rip off.
Think Deeply.
1. Publish MS Wishlist
2. ???
3. PROFIT !!!
I think point two is the implementation of only minor items from the wishlist and have people think they need it.
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When installing Windows, I make a partition specifically for the swap file and temp files. That way they don't add to the fragmentation mess of the OS partition.
Speaking of which, why does Windows still use a variable sized swap file? I lock it down to 2x RAM or 4GB. Whichever is larger. I do not want fragmentation in the swap file. I'd prefer not to need one, but that's another story.
And how about moving IE's temp files somewhere else? Okay, you can still set permissions on the folder, but get it out of the user's profile.
And I'm tired of seeing C:\WINDOWS\Temp
Temp directories do not belong in the OS directory.
Yeah, I'm whining. But I spend 15 extra minutes just getting the directories and swap arranged correctly every time I set up someone's Windows machine.
It were Ubuntu.
Barring that, I wish it were XP, again.
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Backup 360 games = I thought they were trying to prevent stuff like this?
PIP functionality = not hard
Infinate virtual desktops = they will proberbly limit it to 16 and sue Linux companies for copying windows wonderful new innovation
Re-open closed tabs = way to go, confuse them even further
Autoclean temp folders = how about educating people not to save email attachments to temp folders first and work your way up from there
Make SELinux enforcing again!
Yup, I still remember when I got all excited about the WinFS Filesystem (yeah, in the ATM Machine) which was supposed to come in Vista... this "leak" was surely "leaked" by Microsoft's hype department.
Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'
An interesting choice for the article since it is a summary of an engadet summary of this article, and here is more of supposedly the leaked list.
I know "this is Slashdot" and all that but the article is pretty much blatantly anti-Windows without a real point to be made outside of that aim. The point of news reporting is to present the facts and not try to color them by our own judgments. I'm not a regular Windows user - On the contrary I am a Solaris user/developer but to me that article sounds laughably one sided. On the one hand there is no way to know this is a comprehensive list of what is to go into Windows 7 and on the other hand we don't even know the source of this list. Just sounds like sensationalist crap.
"If Microsoft were to adopt all the recommendations made in this form, they'd have...well, they'd have OS X or Linux. Either this list was a poll of UNIX-based platform users, or these are really the problems Windows users want to see fixed."
Oh please. Fuck you! You're belittling both Windows and Linux by a stupid comment like that.
And in other news, the heads of Solaris users around the world exploded into what one witness described as "a lethal conflagration born out of self-righteousness and impotence."
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
You don't know the first thing about trolling my friend.
An eject button for the DVD drive, as well as uneject. *nix has had eject and eject -t for decades, and Apple has a button on the keyboard (!) for this. But to install a third party app to f***ing close the tray is sooo 20th century. I don't think the EU is going to frown on this one as more monopolistic behaviour.
WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
You have chosen to not load a number of libraries that you will probably never use. Loading useless libaries.
Make SELinux enforcing again!
There's nothing to it. Just save some of the drive space when you install (this is a problem with some "recovery CD's" that grab everything) and format it later. Then add a swap file to it and set the swap file on C:\ to 0 bytes. Reboot and it's set.
Do you ever notice that we seem to be re-inventing everything we've learned before? I'd prefer to put the swap drive as close to the outer sectors as possible. That's a bitch with Windows. So it ends up on the inner sectors. I sacrifice speed to reduce fragmentation. But seeing as how the speed would be awful anyway (RAM swapping to even the fastest drive sucks rocks), I'm not bothered by it.
...as soon as you click Y, the next thing you see is "Kernel32.dll unloaded". That's also the last thing you'll see 'til reboot.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Preinstalled? :^)
Really, after Windows Vista i have really just stopped caring about what MS does. They can do whatever but i doubt Windows 7 will be anything but some minor enhanchements and some new fancy clothes when the day for gold comes. If they horribly failed with current codebase how can they do any better without a major rewrite in just a couple of years? It must suck for MS to have put themselves in this position.
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Was just one thing ...
... might have been the constant invasion of privacy, the endless interruptions for patches, the integrated programs that hog your machine and do things when you told them not to do them.
Mindshare.
Right now, I and a lot of other people who have owned Windows machines (and MS DOS before that) have pretty much given up on buying a Windows OS ever again.
Myself, I'm torn between an Apple OS and a Linux box at this point.
But there is one category it won't be, and that's Microsoft.
Sad but true.
Not sure why
But at this point it's the law of diminishing returns for me.
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Quick! Where's the Open Source PH meter?!?
You mean the test strips you can buy at any shop?
We used them checking the ACID levels of the IE webpages.
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How about a user wishlist? I would probably be using Vista instead of Ubuntu if it had these things that will probably never make it into any of the Vista service packs nor Windows 7
.ogg, .tar and .pdf without the aid of third-party software that is just stupidity. MS needs to realize that they don't have a monopoly and that the rest of the OS world outside of MS use those and they are gaining while MS is loosing.
1. A decent license, now open-sourcing Windows would be excellent but just having it under a "you bought the copy now do whatever you want with it" would be a ton better then the usual "Microsoft owns your computer" And that is one of the reasons I switched to Linux
2. Good speed. I shouldn't need 4 Gigs of RAM just to get halfway decent performance out of my operating system, 512 MB should be fast enough and at 2 gigs it should have all the power needed for anything other then heavy gaming and major video editing
3. Non-Fragmenting filesystem, Seriously, when there is file systems on Linux that never have to be de-fragmented that have been there since at least 2000, why can't Windows in 2006 not have it?
4. Acceptance of other operating systems other then Windows. When Windows can't open up simple, free open standards by default such as
5. Security without annoyances. Seriously, what is up with UAC. So now I need to click a dialog box whenever I want to run a binary from a CD-ROM??? When I clicked on it? On Ubuntu on an under-privileged account, I don't even hardly need to type my password for anything other then major system work such as installing software or changing accounts and even then it keeps it for a bit so every time I don't need to enter it.
Its time for MS to start listing to people and make a halfway decent OS, otherwise there will be more people like me switching to Linux or OS-X.
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Can I just ask: why?
I understand backing this up. My question is: why in the world does this belong in the OS? Shouldn't it be a little program that I run once in a while (perhaps in a cron job type thing)? Or a service that does the same thing? How about a service that responds to requests from the 360 and backs the files up?
Why isn't this out now?
And are we sure the 360 will still be used when Windows Whatever comes out?
Bloat bloat bloat bloat...
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I was wondering when this was going to happen. Everytime Microsoft releases a "less than expected" OS they have to find a way to pump the vaporware to keep as many folks from looking at Linux and Apple as possible. And with Vista being such a lame duck that even MS fanboys are starting to call it "WinME II" I knew they'd have to come up with a new vaporware to keep folks from looking away from the mistake that is Vista. For those who haven't read their history in this regard, I strongly recommend The Yellow Road to Cairo.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Design the system such that \Windows and everything below it can be mounted read-only (including being able to run from read-only media). If that turns out not to be possible, accept that this line of Windows OS is dead and have the next Windows use a Unix/BSD/Linux base with legacy application support via sandboxes only. Henry Spencer was right.
My wishlist for Windows is for them to give up and realize that they produce crap. Follow Apple's example and build on top of BSD and Linux. Base IE on Gecko or KHTML. I'd love to scratch Windows and IE off my list of things to have to worry about.
Other than security issues and poor standards support I don't really care about Windows. I use Linux as my primary desktop at home and MacOS (running Linux and Windows VMs) at work. Windows is only on my radar so far as it annoys me and gets in my way.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
(1) Fix Windows Explorer so it doesn't crash and restart when accessing network or smb shares.
... many programs do not give you the option.
(2) Improve os signal handling or inter-process communication...I don't how many times Windows seems like it locks up waiting for something, but it looks like it has crashed.
(3) Take all of the functionality that was in TweakUI and PowerToys for XP and roll it into the standard Control Panel.
(4) Make it easier to install programs somewhere else besides c:\program files\
(5) Improve the speed of MS networking - why does it seem that NFS is faster?
(6) Fix UAC, it's still too annoying
(7) Develop a multi-pc license package for home use (5 windows installs for $250-$300)
(8) Fix media player so that it does a better job detecting, downloading and installing codecs. How many times does it say that a codec has been found and installed, but the video still does not play.
(9) Faster booting and startup
(10) Browse Xbox harddrive, be able to move "save games" files and other purchased content to PC (I know something like this is on the list, but I would like to be able to more easily move my Oblivion and HL2 files from console to console).
(11) Better estimation of my "Windows Experience" score in Vista - my wife's 2.2Ghz Core 2, Nvidia 8400GT, 2GB RAM laptop has a lower experience score than my P4 Dual-Core 1.6Ghz, Intel X3100, 1GB desktop.
(12) Built-in SSH, SCP, SFTP
(13) Better command completion (like my favorite tcsh)
(14) Built-in virtualization or OS guest hosting.
Ideally, I'd just like the OS to be as configurable as possible, so I can configure it to get out of my way and stop hounding me every time I want to do something it doesn't like.
More than anything, though, I want one single version. XP already irritated me by having a crippled home version, a professional version, and a Media Center. Just the Media Center (which is pro with the added software) would have been fine, thanks. With Vista, not only were there too many versions, but because their names are not descriptive ("Ultimate!"), you need an effing chart just to see what the effing difference is.
1: OS that can run on a hypervisor, and support a LPAR-like system like AIX or Solaris. This would be great for allowing me to browse the Web in one partition, do my Quicken finances in another, and E-mail in a third, and should one partition get hit by malware, it won't affect the others.
2: Have BitLocker offer functionality on systems without a TPM, so it can ask for a passphrase, and not require a USB dongle.
3: Offer some way that BIOSes can store a flag in some non-erasable part of flash, where once the OS is activated once, it stays that way permanently, storing the CD key. Then, all it would take would be an install from normal CD or DVD media, and the OS would remember what version it is, and by default offer to install what the machine was licensed for. All x86 Macs have this functionality using a hardware TPM, so why not Windows?
4: NTFS is a great filesystem, but it is showing its age. MS should see about licensing ZFS, or working on a similar filesystem.
5: A true LVM framework, supporting various software RAID and other configurations. If I want to hook up an external drive, mirror the internal, then break the mirror, storing a 100% usable drive image, I should be able to.
6: Add functionality to the snapshot feature since Windows 2003, allowing for snapshots to be saved (optionally encrypted) to media, for online backups from the OS.
7: A better OS backup system. Take a look at EMC/Insignia's (formerly Dantz's) Retrospect or IBM's TSM for how backups are done right, using synthetic backups.
8: Bare metal recovery. I should be able to just stick in an OS DVD, put in a password to decrypt the backup, walk off, and have a perfect image.
9: Remote network booting/dataless functionality. In secure environments, I want PCs to have no hard disks, and boot off the network, without requiring thin clients. Of course, all data should be encrypted through the network once the PC gets a validatable boot stub and is able to execute that.
10: Customizable logon screens. I don't want everyone's picture coming up; I want to be able to have a Windows 2000 based text login, as well as be able to hide usernames in the graphical one.
11: A full BartPE/Windows PE like environment, supporting mounting of BitLocker volumes so I can recover, backup, install, run AV tools and other stuff offline.
Just link it to google, that is what we do when we get one of these messages anyway
Don't you know it is now both immoral and criminal to think beyond the next quarterly report?
Many of these seem to be just plain bugs, not broad features that would warrant a major version # jump. I'll be the first to admit that is these days always in the eye of the beholder (marketer) though. I also see a fair # of requests for add-ons that are not really part of the core operating system and we would more likely see as services or are available from a 3rd party.
If I were to take a wild guess I would say that this was a list related to a service pack, not "Windows 7".
The companies' logic is that programmer cost a lot. It's actually much cheaper, they think, to throw some money in buying more hardware to make up for the lack of optimisations in the code, than to waster the precious ( = expensive in terms of salary ) programmer's time.
Where this is actually true remains to be seen.
Specially given the current trends in hardware (additional power doesn't come from more raw power but from additional parallelism, etc.) the programmers will have *anyway* to be clever, because better hardware won't be able anymore run the same shitty code faster.
As Herb Sutter puts it The Free Lunch is Over.
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Vista = New Coke
Just admit the mistake and bring back XP.
My speculation is that the real Windows wishlist for Microsoft looks more like this.
*A product that we don't have to force upon our customers so that someone will buy it
*A product that is better than its predecessor
*A product that wont be so terrible we have to eventually resort to dirty sales tactics just to get it off the shelfs (DX10 anyone)
*A product that isn't as annoying as it is useless
*Another good skin that makes up for the inferiority of the product (But, that skin will only be included in the premium package)
Get rid of all the clutter and all the crap that runs as services. Definitely make users admin by default again. Being limited by default is stupid. Make controls and settings easier to find instead of harder. Bring back the disk defragmenter animation. I don't know about anyone else, but I enjoyed watching the progress. Include a nice, streamlined security suite that can be easily disabled in case people want to use third party software. Strip out DRM. Make system crash messages actually make sense! Give Windows Update the ability to scan third party sites for updated drivers and new versions of installed programs. That's all I can think of.
I charge forward recklessly, leaving chaos in my wake.
"Look, the *next* windows is going to be really cool, because it will finally have *all* the features you always wanted ! We promise this time !"
I actually find surprising that WinFS and all those MS-Vaporware(tm) technologies that get systematically touted "for next windows, this time we promise" didn't make up into the list. Or perhaps PR department realised that people already lost hope for those.
And you can be pretty sure that 30% of all features will be similarily botched (You can bet that the touted ISO/BIN virtual drive will manage to both be completely worthless [= only usable inside Windows Explorer, not from any software. Just like their current Zip software] and *at the same time* completely break compatibility with anything else [= Starfuck protected games will go mad seing a virtual drive installed on every computer])
For the rest :
an additional 30% will be fixing stuff that was handled ten years ago in concurrent products (draggable tabs ? caching information about CD to avoid respinning drive ?)
a 30% chunk will be as usual delayed for the next windows (But this time will do it, we promise !)
and the last remaining 10% will be implemented but finally reject after focus groups show that it confuses users more than helping them, and will only be available as a separate paying option installable on the most expensive "Ultimate" edition of Windows 7. (Will probably the case with virtual desktop. It's the only thing they can manage to implement without too much bugs, probably because there are already a lot of opensource implementation to steal code from. But they probably will be able to manage to present it in a way that will make non-power use panic (where did all my windows go ?). It's not a coincidence that desktops are mainly available in Linux, and that Apple chose instead Exposé and similar to reduce problems with windows clutter).
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This list has NOTHING to do with Windows 7, other than it is a list of 'requests' made from beta testers from Vista.
Some of the stuff on the list is already implemented in Vista, as well as some of the stuff is insanely stupid and has zero chance of being implemented.
This story was marked 'old' on other technology sites that were posting 'corrections' a couple of days ago.
Can we get a SlashDot moderator/editor to do a quick Google on a story before approving it? Is that too much to ask?
Sadly, being so quick to slap Microsoft you are willing to sacrifice your credibility.
You can make the "Favorites" panel open permanently by:
1) Click on "Tools"
2) Go to "Toolbars"
3) Hidelight and click on "Favorites"
Or you can use the keyboard shortcut [CTRL]+[SHIFT]+I
Unless you hit the close window button on the favorites panel, it should remain open the next time you start IE.
It will be the most secure version of Windows ever released!
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
Whatever happened to WFS? It was supposed to come with Vista and was one of the much wanted features that didn't make the final cut. Granted, this sheet isn't actually a wishlist but i'm sure theres a myriad of "I want to see this in Windows 7" posts coming, thought i would join the fray
How about... (when compared to Vista...)
When I do certain folder operations in explorer (with UAC), don't ask me "do you want to do this?" then when I indicate "yes" follow up with a "Cancel or allow" dialog. One dialog is enough!!!
"...When Dual-Booting With XP"
I dualboot with XP... I should check to see if this is happening... however I DID disable system restore for the Vista drive from XP, and visa-versa, to decrease the chance they would mess each other up. I do thing both OSs have system restore enabled for all my common drives, except those I don't put Windows programs on since that would be useless.
NTFS could probably use better allocation strategies, but you're presenting "fragmentation" vs "no fragmentation" as the tradeoff--in other words, no tradeoff at all. In reality, the choice is between "greater space efficiency" and "fragmentation". An ext3 partition, for example, keeps a 5% fragmentation reserve. And, ext3 and similar filesystems will begin to fragment greatly as you approach filling up the disk, as it's not possible to completely avoid fragmentation without incurring huge time penalties in the worst case. That said, I don't like NTFS, and I don't think it compares favorably to half of the filesystems available on Linux, but it's unrealistic to portray it as simply as in this comment's parent. (My post is simplifying things a bit too, as I'm not an expert, so you'll want to do some research on your own if you want to satisfy yourself with the details.)
What a sad little list. It basically amounts to a few little code tweaks that should all be in a vista service pack, rather than a whole new product.
I mean most of them are just usability issues addressing current crappy design that should be fixed as a matter of course, not sold separately as major new features and a reason to upgrade.
I guess Microsoft just can't innovate.
My three pet gripes about GUI software are 1) focus stealers -- you are typing away in one app and some other app pops up and then you are typing into some other window that has grabbed focus, 2) Files Save that makes you start over from the beginning with each program launch or even each Files Save instead of remembering where you last saved a file, and 3) programs that lock up the GUI at the least provocation (yeah you, Adobe -- I dread Web surfing into PDF files, even from a broadband connection).
Whenever a company releases feature list for their next product, then it is in fact a list of bugs in their current product.
...and change the license to GPL. The rest you can do yourself.
*** Don't be dull.***
A horse can't be sick, you know, even if he wants to.
Every chip since like 3 years ago is 64 bit. Its about time the OS followed suit.
Pure 64bit environment and emulate whatever needs 32,16,8?
More meat, Less bloat.
Driver support.
Play mp3s without scanning every device in my system 300000times per second. Actually just take all DRM supporting functions out. Whats bigger MS or the RIAA? Stop supporting the real pirates MS! Yahoo sends journalists to Jail, MS turns out computers into cripples.
I didn't bother reading the article. Every announcement of Windows is a wishlist. We're all still waiting for Cairo, so if Windows 7 follows any kind of history, we'll be waiting for -2038- when the 32 bit date and time addressing runs out and we're all awaiting Armageddon, buying generators and listening to/watching the latest version of "Everything You Know Is Wrong" (every conspiracy radio show as played by Firesign Theatre) on the webradioipodtvyoutubegooglealibabaAOLmediaplayer.
Here's a wish: an end to Windows wishlists.
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This list is not from Microsoft internal, but posts to the Windows early feedback list inside connect.microsoft.com from end users. List subscribers vote on issues, those with more votes make it further towards the top. If you participate in some of the MS TAP programs you can end up on these things...
Dave.
A stable, secure version of Windows is in our future and always will be.
Have gnu, will travel.
first one: "improve taskbar for multi-monitor"
Are they just going to buy ultramon (http://www.realtimesoft.com/ultramon/) like I did?
I'd like a new color for my Screens of Death(TM). Perhaps yellow to counter the blue screen burn on all my Windows machines.
Forget everything we've done in Vista.
"5. Security without annoyances" - by webmaster404 (1148909) on Tuesday November 13, @07:21PM (#21343909)
Answer = http://forums1.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?s=9717b49a6f03fb3785d81d27ec523633&p=500261#post500261
.xpi addon for FireFox/Mozilla/NetScape 9 etc.) & let it let YOU decide sites to use it on, & then DISABLE JAVA/JAVASCRIPT globally...
It works.
1-2.5 hours of work, for YEARS of solid, safe, & fast uptime (with security & proofs + tools & tests to use to help you do it, that make it as simple as it gets).
Simpler than SeLinux, & FAR BETTER than its defaults.
And yes... On Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 & even VISTA, using the same principals (the least on 2k, it's too "old & different" @ varying levels (including the recent RND function issue) from the others, but it still helps it even, a hell of a lot).
Enjoy those of you that use Windows based OS once you apply it ALL fully...
APK
P.S.=> Add this to it? You're as safe as is needed on s single system (or, networked nodes even) online today, with good practices & secure softwares (especially browsers):
AN IMPORTANT POINT:
STOP JAVASCRIPT USAGE IN YOUR BROWSERS (along with ActiveX & JAVA + FLASH too) On the PUBLIC internet, PERIOD!
Why:
Fact is, that today? Well... Javascript's dangerous & can be used AGAINST you, as well as help you... it truly is, or can be, a 'double-edged sword'...
(For example - if you follow security related news, you will see that JavaScript is the key avenue being used against you in today's attacks).
If you MUST use Javascript?
Try "NoScript" (the
(& if you use IE, trying to do the same can be a nightmare (as IE will "nag you to death" if you turn off javascript on sites that use it)).
Opera has similar functionality, ALBEIT, built into it by default as a NATIVE tool!
I.E.-> The ability to GLOBALLY block scripting tools like Javascript, BUT... to also allow it for sites you MUST use it on as exceptions to the GLOBAL rule set in Tools, Preferences menus it has on its menubar.
(Banking sites is a good example that DEMANDS you use javascript)
Opera has the NATIVE BUILT IN ABILITY to allow you to use it on sites you visit IF you must, via rightclicks on the page & "EDIT SITE PREFERENCES" popup menu submenu item that appears.
Either way? It works, & I STRONGLY recommend this. I also recommend Opera for these reasons (less security holes period, & the 1 it had yesterday? Patched yesterday too... fast!)
SECUNIA DATA ON BROWSER SECURITY (dated 10/20/2007):
Opera 9.24 security advisories @ SECUNIA (0% unpatched):
http://secunia.com/product/10615/?task=advisories
FireFox 2.0.0.8 security advisories @ SECUNIA (25% unpatched):
http://secunia.com/product/12434/
IE 7 (latest cumulative update from MS) security advisories @ SECUNIA (40% unpatched):
http://secunia.com/product/12366/
Those %'s are the latest for FireFox 2.0.0.9, IE7 after TODAY, "patch Tuesday" from MS with the "CUMULATIVE IE UPDATES" they have (see the security downloads URL I post in the 12 steps above to secure yourself), & Opera 9.24... all latest/greatest models.
So, as you can see?
NOT ONLY IS OPERA MORE SECURE/BEARING LESS SECURITY VULNERABILITIES?
It's faster too, on just about ANYTHING a browser does, & is probably the MOST standards compliant browser under the sun (not counting HTML dev tools). This is borne out in these tests:
http://www.ho
I really don't see much, if anything, that couldn't be implemented in a Service Pack. Or one of those great companion CD's that were frequent with Windows 95.
I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask where they're goin' and hook up with 'em later.
(no particular order)
* Game Mode - When the game is loaded, ready to play, it frees up unneeded system resources, optimizes 3D and processor threads and puts everything else on standby.
* 64 bit only OS - Time to move on.
* A modular OS with a printed manual showing install options, operating and troubleshooting : e.g. - To IE or not to IE, Server or Client or none etc. How to change system settings and so on.
* Option of inbuilt File Converters: Yes! I DO want to convert my Video_TS folder into an avi at the highest resolution natively - or convert an xdoc file to an odt etc etc etc.
* A shut down button
* A warranty with free tech support for the life of the warranty.
* A reasonable cost
* Effective error reporting for the OS, software and hardware
* An index (not just a search) - You're close Mr Gates....
Maybe more, but that's enough for now!
Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
"File not found" and not providing the path that failed.
WTF, they just passed the string to the file open call, what's so hard about passing it back to the user?
There is no right to feel safe thru security vaudeville at the expense of everyone's freedom, privacy and tax money.
Granted, Vista is an absolute PIG. But...
I remember running Windows 95 on a 100mhz system with 8mb of ram. The thing installed off 13 floppy disks, took up about 50mb of hd space, and considering the specs of the system, ran very well. If that's not a lean OS I don't know what is.
Say what you want about Microsoft, but try running a modern Linux distro with KDE or Gnome on an older Machine (800mhz, 256mb) and let me know if it beats out XP in speed and responsiveness.
For an even better setup, install Win2k on it, which even today will do everything you could possibly require, and it will run circles around modern Linux desktop environments.
The days of Linux being lean and mean are long gone, and suffers from the same "add more memory, better cpu, bigger hard drive" philosophy for every major release just as Microsoft does. When you compare similar functionally between the two, Microsoft always came on top, but then Vista happened.
(Please don't say you can run fvwm/xfce or something along those lines. They are nice for what they are, but cannot be compared to full blown desktop environments)
Point being that Microsoft shouldn't be singled out for this, as this has been an ongoing trend in software development for years now.
Just for the record, I'm not a troll, my primary computer has been running Linux in some form since the early 90s.
More service packs for Windows 2000.
Really, that's all I could possibly want. I've got a Vista, an XP and a 2k box, and I have to say that that also happens to be the order that they give me headaches in, from most to least. In fact, it had been a while since I touched my 2k box, and upon recently turning it on I was surprised at how fast and smoothly it worked compared to XP; I had gotten used to the crippling XP bloat in the meantime and had forgotten the advantages.
Vista, on the other hand, actually introduces driver problems when I try to install it on the XP box, whether as a clean install or an upgrade. USB ports that worked fine stop functioning, and two television tuners magically turn into one.
Forget the bells and whistles. For a brief, brilliant instant, everything fell into place and worked as it was supposed to. But then XP and new versions of WMP came out and it seems to have gone downhill since. Heck, I'm finding myself wondering of NT4 gave me as many issues, was as finicky as Vista.
"And how about moving IE's temp files somewhere else? Okay, you can still set permissions on the folder, but get it out of the user's profile. - by khasim (1285) on Tuesday November 13, @06:35PM (#21343391) Doable!
Use these steps:
1.) IE7's (you SHOULD use the latest IE7 with hotfixes, it's better than previous models & allows this flexibility for certain) TOOLS menu, OPTIONS submenu
2.) The next screen appears, titled "INTERNET OPTIONS" & use the GENERAL TAB you first appear in.
3.) There, you use the BROWSING HISTORY group's "Settings" button.
4.) The next screen appears, titled "Temporary Internet Files and History Settings" & use the MOVE FOLDER button, in the "temporary Internet Files" group.
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"And I'm tired of seeing C:\WINDOWS\Temp Temp directories do not belong in the OS directory." - by khasim (1285) on Tuesday November 13, @06:35PM (#21343391) Doable as well: Use the SYSTEM icon in control panel, & reset the %TEMP%/%TMP" for Current user & globally, if you like, WHERE you like!
E.G. -> I set mine to a solid-state diskdrive, a TRUE SSD, called a CENATEK RocketDrive!
(And, same with my webpage caches, & pagefile.sys... the pagefile's on its own partition on the SSD, whilst the TEMP, LOGGING (from eventlogs, moveable in the registry), & WEBPAGE CACHES from my browsers all get the bennies of NTFS compression too - faster read up from disk & WAY MORE STORAGE (lots of text data in all of those, & no fragging up other files on my main disk, OR burdening my main OS & programs disk with I/O & cpu cycles usage either))
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please, dont.
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I like the eye candy. Is that so strange? It helps make the whole "using the computer" experience nicer.
How do you kill that which has no life?
First off, this post and my subsequent replies, my "general whinge with the OS"
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=304745&cid=20695969
Then in a little bit more detail
(crosspost of a post I made on a forum not more than 24 hours ago, I finally documented precisely why Vista Explorer shits me to tears)
Warning: Bad language ahead.
Why does Windows Vista insist on a startup sound, despite me disabling all sounds, they are turned off but it does one at startup, I like quiet and what if I don't want to wake people up?
I've been meaning to make this post for a while, I may have railed on Vista for performance problems, specifically in Crysis, you do need to give a new operating system a 'pass' for a while, let it settle in (it's nearly been a year though!!!)
My beef still sits with Windows Explorer, something I use daily, a lot at work and home, I need it clean, simple and easy to get data into my face as quick as possible so I can react as quickly as possible (yes, I sorry to big note but I am, *that* quick on the keyboard and when working with files)
http://abrasion.shackspace.com/lolsta/argh01.jpg
Apply to all folders won't let me save the options for "Computer" (My Computer) or Desktop, this is annoying.
also, fuck the breadcrumbs bar, in the ASSSSS
http://abrasion.shackspace.com/lolsta/argh02.jpg
That motherfucker 'task pane' which is taking space up from my damn explorer view.
Sure, I found some website suggesting I shrink the size of it (yay) but I can still accidentally click the bastard, plus it still looks messy.
http://abrasion.shackspace.com/lolsta/argh03.jpg
Mofo! I accidentally clicked it, see explanation of why it eats babies in the JPG itself.
http://abrasion.shackspace.com/lolsta/whywhy01.jpg
Those little box pluses, I like them, why take them away? It's confusing and slowing down the amount of data I can take in per 'scene' I need info and you're witholding it, just so you can pretend you're neater than you actually are.
http://abrasion.shackspace.com/lolsta/whywhy02.jpg
Ahh my boxes are back, this is good, also more cluttered shit.
http://abrasion.shackspace.com/lolsta/wtf01.jpg
You call this a save as dialogue box?
I hit shift tab twice (yes, I do often, try it people) to navigate quickly to where I normally would on XP.
I slap backspace like 10 times fast, this should ensure I'm at desktop, almost instantly (shift tab x2 and backspace x10 takes me 1 second)
Does it work? no, of course it doesn't you breadcrumb whores.
soooo I hit browse
http://abrasion.shackspace.com/lolsta/wtf02.jpg oh oh
Hot jesus, make the fucking hurting stop!
This is one of the best reasons WHY I can't deal, look at it, just look and tell me that's simple, quick and easy to work with?
This picture alone is why osx is going to gain some serious marketshare in the next 5 years.
http://abrasion.shackspace.com/lolsta/shambles01.jpg
This one is a lot more subtle, this is the kind of cluttered stuff that's hard for anyone to notice is cluttered unless you analyse it.
You'll need to see all 3 JPGS to understand where I'm going with this.
Maybe I should've got into UI design? Maybe I should be a minimalist linux nerd but damnit that screams messy and awkward to me:/
http://abrasion.shackspace.com/lolsta/shambles01a.jpg
Same picture, without t
I keep hearing people say that they were excited about Microsoft attempting a database filesystem. They've already tried there hand at this sort of thing with Sharepoint and it sucks! Sharepoint is unbelievably slow. It is just a reminder of all the times MS has screwed up a good idea and that they will inevitably get something as cool as a database FS wrong also.
please mr balmer get this wga thingy to work properly. i want everyone using windows having to pay for it. no more key generators, no more cracks and patches.
want to run it, shovel your money to m$.
The weight of the wish list is more like an Ubuntu six month upgrade.
When M$ graces us with version 7, it will be much more (o less), than these tweaks. This isn't Windows 7.
Fix those damn line breaks in Notepad. Every other text editor reads files with either CRLF or LF line breaks correctly. After god knows how many "versions", Notepad is still CRLF-only. Is that too much to ask?
Yeah, please. At least say a "feisty dose of ~" or a "gutsy dose of ~"...
No, you're wrong. And pointing to a non-Microsoft document about Windows *SERVER* 2003 doesn't help at all when discussing optimizing a desktop OS.
and while the general principle of a Windows Page file and a Unix Swap partition are the same, the specifics of how they're used are very different and thus, you cannot generalize between Windows and Unix in this way. Unix Swap is used for the very simple reason that you run out of physical memory. Windows swap files are used for caching of memory objects in addition to the reasons you use a swap file.
Sit and ponder the difference for a bit. One of the primary differences is that in Windows, even if you have 4GB of RAM and thus can't actually use a "Swap" partition, Windows will still use the Page file. Seriously, sit and think about this fundamental difference for a bit.
Consider that Windows XP and Vista will attempt to optimize the location of the page file and applications on disk based on historical usage. Unix doesn't do any of this. Nor does Server 2003 That's not how it optimized system resources.
For those people who are rearranging swap files, locations of programs, etc etc on Windows desktop environments, you're not actually helping anything, and you're making it harder for users to use their desktop systems because you're forcing them to go against how MS wants the OS to be used. It makes it harder and less intuitive and none of the help files on the internet will work directly because you've moved the location of Windows stuff around to match *YOU* like it done.
And as stupid as MS is, they're not that stupid. Windows XP and Vista's setting are fine out of the box for typical desktop use. Geek away at your own desktop if it makes you feel better, but you're just making it harder for everybody else.
P.S. "Professional Windows Administrator". LOL. Really. That won't impress anybody on slashdot. And caching of IE temp files in the user roaming profile stopped after IE 5.01. That changed 4 years ago! 5 isn't even supported by MS anymore. Instead of doing all that work, go buy these guys 4G of memory and just use Windows as it was designed. If you want to do anything, lock the size of the Page file, although that's not even necessary if you use Vista.
If Microsoft really wants to impress anyone with a new release, then why not add the ability to think? I would love it if my computer had a personality of its own. Since their next release isn't any time soon this would probably work with future hardware. I notice that their wish list is about crap that should have been taken care of already.
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Here's one that irks me:
Profile Data: Move locations of all user folders and data to another location.
I don't know who vets/validates these lists, but the user profile location has been changing with almost every release of Windows since profiles were originally introduced. Why? First they were in "C:\winnt\documents and settings", then they were in "c:\documents and settings", now with Vista they're in "c:\users." Why is there a need to change this? What makes one location any better or sensible than the other? Why the fuck do they keep changing this?
This has been one of my biggest gripes about Windows for the past few iterations. Not about the user profiles specifically, but that in general Microsoft tends to shuffle around the user interface and other items just enough so that configuration options and resources are not managed from the same place in the UI that they had been in the previous version. It doesn't even make any sense why they keep rearranging it, they just do it. Sometimes I think that they do it so that they can list it as "one more difference/improvement" over the previous OS, because 99 times out of 100 there's no reason for it.
1) The ability to install the OS without wiping out an
existing Linux installation.
2) A way to shut down the computer without clicking on "Start"
It is good to see that "change Delete to Remove from Desktop in Recycle Bin" is one of the items on the wishlist. I know that that (along with dubious security flaws and bugs in previous Windows versions) has always just bugged the heck outta me. Windows is just so darn good these days that it only needs a few cosmetic fixes.
Where was the CowboyNeal item?
At our company, we are developing a software project with three major components.
Two of those are clients -- one for HD-DVDs, and one for the web browser -- which pretty much limits us to Javascript.
The third is the server, which is somewhat based on Ruby on Rails. We host it on Amazon EC2, which means if we ever get Slashdotted, even the Ruby server(s) can simply scale up to handle the load.
For us, this makes sense. The cost of programmer time to optimize is way less than the cost of simply firing up another EC2 instance -- again, if we ever need it. We do have to make our architecture more scalable and maintainable, but that's a good thing anyway, no matter how efficient it is.
Your situation isn't quite the same. If it's highly specialized software, chances are, you're right, and nobody cares. But there are a couple of big costs here.
First, while disk space is cheap, RAM and network still aren't. If it takes up a gig on disk, how much will it take up in RAM? Maybe more, maybe less. If you're using more than a gig of RAM for something that could be done comfortably in a hundred megs, you have to remember that you're on a multi-tasking OS.
So at that point, you have to ask yourself: Is your app valuable enough to your users that they'll either tolerate a slow machine, or buy a dedicated machine for your app?
You also have almost lost downloadability at that point. Understand that if it takes a gig, but you could fit it in 10 megs, well, even dialup users will tolerate 10 megs.
There is one more reason efficient code would be desired -- once you get to a certain level of CPU power, new possibilities become available, and they do quite suddenly. This is most obvious in video games -- suddenly, we have enough power for 3D. Suddenly, we can do lighting, sort of. Suddenly, we don't have to fake it anymore -- dynamic lighting, with real shadows.
This means that if you choose a slow language, you could automatically bump yourself back a generation in what you can support. And I'm not just talking about games here.
And again, I realize that probably none of this applies to your product. I'm not calling anyone "lazy". I'm just pointing out that the inverse is not always true -- that programming for performance is not always a bad thing.
Just, in both cases, know where you stand.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
What about a super basic windows os and then just add the options you want from a second disk?
So you're just being an arsehole.
"Slashdot requires you to wait between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.
It's been 35 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment"
So you're not the only one.
"2. Good speed. I shouldn't need 4 Gigs of RAM just to get halfway decent performance out of my operating system, 512 MB should be fast enough" - by webmaster404 (1148909) on Tuesday November 13, @07:21PM (#21343909) By the way - in addition to my first post, addressing your point #5, about security?
Well - I do more than adequately performance-wise, using "only 512mb of RAM" & on Windows Server 2003 (foundation of VISTA core code for the MOST part, lacking ASRL & perhaps a few other minor things (IE7 things iirc)) because of that list of things contained in the URL I put up in my first post!
(I.E.-> Not only does that URL's content help harden & tune Windows NT-based OS level security, but it also helps you optimize your system for speed as well (& mainly by trimming out services you do NOT need to be running, but also much more in its content & other optimizations possible (.reg files in the first URL's content help here, not just for security, but also for speed enhancements))).
APK
P.S.=> The fact I also use a 1gb swapfile/pagefile partition on a TRUE Solid-State disk does help though (CENATEK RocketDrive), as far as the speed of my Virtual Memory Accesses though & on its other 1gb partition I place webpage caches, logging from the OS eventlogs & app logging, PLUS/LASTLY, %temp/tmp% ops via environment variable tuning onto it using NTFS compression (& because it's largely text data it massively gives me more storage, & more speed (smaller file masses to pickup, & today's RAM + CPU speeds offset the decompress stage in RAM today HUGELY compared to years past) & I avoid fragmenting other files on my main programs & OS disk, & also avoid wasting I/O of many forms on them on my main disk too, plus CPU cycles wasted driving those I-O's that now take place on another disk, albeit a massively fast seeking one in an SSD... apk
Ummm...open source everything? :-)
Firstly your not considering the extra power consumed by the extra ram.
Assuming that your code will only ever run on a single machine, then hardware is cheaper short term...
But what if your code will run on 500 machines? Your individual app may not, but the improvements you made to ruby probably will, so you have potentially saved money for millions of people.
What is the MAXIMUM ram your server can support?, by lowering your memory usage you leave more headroom before you hit that maximum and have to buy a whole new server.
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Am I the only one getting massive of Deja-vu? "Our OS at the moment isn't up to scratch, but don't worry, the next version will be better".
We keep ragging on Bush for being stupid, but atleast he's got something on us, and I quote: "We have this sayin' in Texas... uuh.. fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... umh... aah.. well, you won't fool me again". Yet the majority of our species keep falling for the same one.
I also make (at least) a second partition for my own computers. Let's call it D:\ and the first one C:\. Windows and application installation go to C:\ as per default. Data go onto D:\. Simple reason:
If Windows is hosed beyond repair, you can format C:\ and reinstall without losing your data on D:\. The only exception would be a malicious virus that damages files systemwide.
C - the footgun of programming languages
Get the fscking 'safely remove' system tray icon to tell the user exactly which device they are about to eject/corrupt
I really don't think that MS, at least as the company we have come to loathe, will survive Vista.
I don't think there is anything coming ever again other than a series of "fixes" for Vista that will only make it more unreliable.
Dog is my co-pilot.
Here's an easy one for Apple: offer a midrange expandable desktop that doesn't come with an integrated screen. The Mac Mini is nice toy but is not a primary desktop and is hardly expandable, and $2500 for the baseline Mac Pro is just ridiculous for a machine that has the specs of an $1200 Dell.
Isn't vista windows 7?
NT 3.5, NT 4.0, windows 2000 (NT 5), xp (NT6), vista (NT7)
Or does xp and vista count like the win 95, win 98, win me line?
I never put ANYTHING under "Documents and Settings." What I'd LIKE to see is for them to make sure that you can easily override the default storage directories for each application (and so that each can have their own), as many of them annoy the hell out of me when they insist on pulling up the My Documents folder and force me to manually navigate to where I actually keep the files. While I may not always keep a given apps things in the same directory (I tend to be more project oriented, rather than file-type oriented), the one place I can guarantee I don't want to keep stuff is the exact place that some applications will take me to ever time the file selector is used. I organize my stuff in a completely different way and the whole "My Documents"/"Documents and Settings" paradigm simply sucks IMHO-- putting Email in there is just rearranging the deck chairs...
"Freely Open-Up UXThemes.dll allowing users to apply their own Visual Styles to Windows"
...nvm
"Extend Windows Update to cover 3rd party application updates and 3rd party driver updates"
It looks like their actually gonna do things right this time!
"Include Pinball into next version of Windows"
The features listed here are not that far out there. I mean, come on, if Adobe Acrobat can add a button to a toolbar, how hard would it be for Microsoft to add to Vista the ability to show or hide hidden files from the operating system? Infinite Virtual Desktops? If Microsoft was smart, the number of virtual desktops would be as simple as changing a line of code from a constant to an integer that gets increased each time the user rightclicks and chooses "Create new virtual desktop" (my bet is that Microsoft was not that smart). Virtual folders? If this is like symbolic links, there are third party applications that will do this already, it should not be too hard for MS to embed it into the operating system. Truthfully, it seems that the only big thing is the intergrated font manager, and knowing Microsoft, they would not write their own, but rather buy out some third party developer that already has an app for this, and intergrate it. This may actually make it feasable for more creatives to use a Windows PC to do graphic art and stuff on. Right now, all your fonts are either on or off. I notice slowdowns with this, and I only have maybe 150 fonts installed. The concept of something like Suitcase or Fusion intergrated into Windows would be HUGE.
The one thing I really wanted off of that list was for the taskbar to be able to take advantage of multiple monitors (and the ability to turn that feature off if I do not want my toolbar extending onto my HDTV). I use multi-displays at work (the laptop display and an external monitor), and the secondary monitor has way more real-estate than the primary display. Of course, I could always invert my primary and secondary displays, so the taskbar would show up on the secondary monitor, but it would be REALLY adventagious to have the taskbar span multi-screens, but even more so, be able to move an open program from the taskbar on one screen to the other. This may be the big thing that may not make it into a Vista service pack, as this would require almost a complete rewrite of the toolbar. Not quite sure how much coding goes into the toolbar, but I am willing to bet that this is an integral part of Explorer, and trying to do a quick-and-dirty patch to this could have reprecautions throughout Explorer.
You're a douche bag for not linking back to the ORIGINAL story which was Neowin's exclusive. Engadget at least had the dignity to leak to Neowin's story (not just the image). http://www.neowin.net/news/main/07/11/10/suggestions-for-future-versions-of-windows
It's probably going to get buried, but this article is based off a screenshot of one of the beta-tester ticket trackers. Those raw bugs are pretty far from a "feature list". It's just a list of features beta-testers requested. There is no reason to believe that Microsoft is acting on any of these issues.
That's were GPL and other free/libre opensource software license come into play :
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If you decide to publish your ~500$ worth modification, it's not just your own $14 that you'll spear. You're going in fact help a lot of people and mostly make RoR a slighter better things to use by a small bit.
This sort of small improvement is also encouraged by other peculiarities of the F/L OSS model :
A closed source company has only a limited amount of ressource. I can't waste a programmer to fix minor issues, not only because that programmer cost a lot, but also because that will mean 1 programmer less working on the big important TODOs.
Whereas free software projects (and specially popular ones) have an incredible amount of potential developers.
Granted, the main progress of the software is done by a small core of dedicated developers.
But there are a lot of small scale 1-shot contributors who'll make a small patch to fix some small issue that bothered them and that will help progression of the big picture.
This one of the reason why, after some time until they gain threshold notoriety, free software projects progress at tremendous speeds (it took 5 years to microsoft to release Vista, which is basically just XP with some eye candy thrown in and a couple of additional DRM locks. Whereas the distribution from 2002 are just pale in comparison of what is available in more recent 2007 editions).
The other reason for fast progress, is that the most popular OS in the free software world (Linux and BSD variants) are Unix inspired, and thus follow the Unix way of being constituted of a thousand of small part that do just 1 thing but do it well :
- because of that, the components are much smaller and easier to fix
- fixing 1 small library will instantly benefit all software that built upon it, whereas fixing one huge bloatware only fixes that specific software.
- and lastly, small components are easier to upgrade or replace helping improving the whole system 1 small step at a time instead of heaving to go through a long and costly rewrite of everything.
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I don't see "Don't release an unfinished crappy OS" anywhere in there. Not sure why I'd expect that from a respectable software giant, but hey, a guy can dream right?