I guess it's important to know... but the overall implications of such a detection method are almost nil, given the fatality rate of malignant melanoma. The idea is to catch it before the metastasis.
Well, I am a biologist... and a biochemist... and a geneticist... so that was lost on me.
I assert that the proteins are identical by the peptide sequence... and the composition of the component amino acids. If neither has changed, then yes, the proteins are identical... and this has already been shown true. I don't know what you're going on about. It's clear that when you say "more subtle changes" you have no idea of what you're talking about.
"I suspect you wish to force your values (anything goes, big business can do no wrong, the free market is perfect) on the population." ^ What the hell was that about? What, when you run out of arguments in the face of facts, you revert to just inventing stuff and finger-pointing?
"Personall, I find your faith in our corporate overlords disturbing." ^ That does signify the end of our discussion and the addition of your name to my ignore list. You invoke the magic "evil corporation" rhetoric, while I was presenting scientific fact. You might as well have accused me of having "fuzzy math". Anyway... enjoy your tinfoil hat, and goodbye.
- A new way of purifying water was invented - The resulting liquid was analyzed by mass-spectrometry, NMR, IR and all other tools in the disposal of modern science. The study determined that the liquid that comes out of the machine is absolutely pure H2O, completely identical to all other water, and containing no additives - You propose that we have to conduct a long-term study comparing the effects of drinking water to drinking water.
Dolly may have been genetically six years old... but the composition of her tissues still consisted of proteins that are sequencially identical to the wild-type sheep. So tell me, where does the caring part come in? Is she going to hurt you with her shortened telomeres?
This is akin to saying that you don't want your meat to be delivered on a truck that had a flat tire.
The fact is that THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE to using cloned animals. The proteins and fats you'll be eating are going to be identical to what they would be in an animal that reproduced the natural way. The only difference is that now when they find an animal that is perfect in terms of its fat-to-meat ratio, they'll clone it so that ALL OF THEM are like that. I have a big problem with people who shy away from recombinant DNA technologies being used in production of foodstuffs, just because they don't understand it. Give it up - you don't understand how 99% of the things you use and consume are manufactured, yet you use them anyway. It's not voodoo, it's not magic... it's science. So will you please leave the science to the people who understand it, and enjoy the beautiful, tasty, and safe steak put before you!
"I have concerns about food from cloned animals because I read that cloned animals have genetic problems."
Considering how focused you are on "I", it's unsurprising that you've "read" about the "genetic problems" of cloned animals. By "read" I'll presume you mean a conspiracy theorist website... and by "genetic problems" I'll presume you mean... well... nothing.
AMD did actually have a chipset. If was called the 761 (if I remember correctly) and it was for the Athlon chips.
Paired with an Athlon 1.4, and filled with the Gainward Geforce2 (and then 3) as well as miscellanneous stuff, it was the most reliable computer I've ever had. As a matter of fact, it's still humming with no issues whatsoever in my ex-gf's machine.... P.S. Actually gotta give credit where it's due, it's tied with my old P3 733 on a Tyan board for reliability. That one is still powering my parents's desktop.
I wasn't criticizing anyone. I was just saying that it gets a lot worse than 60 hours a week.
Whether it's fortunate or not, it seems that long hours are becoming the trend in any industry where a person can consider themselves midly successful.
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I don't know if the programmers, IT people, and other techs should be complaining about the hours. In finance, law, biomedical research, and medicine, the hours are often far far worse. For example... I put in 9am-10pm every day (often 9am-12am)... and 12pm-6pm both weekend days... and get crap if I don't work 7 days a week. That comes out to 80+ hours per week... every week... with no vacations.
With one-time pads, quantum computing, and the absolute encryption secrecy it offers, I think we're just going to have to live with the fact that criminals can be secure from electronic eavesdropping, for as long as the general public is allowed access to computers.
That's not true at all. M4 and AK, even though they are meant to be equivalent, are VERY different guns. The AK first 2 rounds have the accuracy of a sniper rifle without the scope. The M4 has a very tight spray, on the other hand. But most importantly, an AK headshot will ALWAYS kill you, and an M4 to the head with a helmet will take off 81-89 health, depending on whether it comes from the front or the back.
That's a horrible misunderstanding. The number of genes has nothing to do with complexity of adaptation. Their REGULATION does. That's why ~90% of the human genome is non-coding. Much of the intragenic space is packed with chromatin and transcription regulatory sequences, control sites, etc... etc... etc...
Here's an analogy: It's similar to saying that sophistication of manipulation is a function of how many fingers one has. That's not correct - you need specific muscle placement, fine motor and sensory function, and huge regions of the brain dedicated to actually using those fingers in order to achieve the mastery of manual manipulation that humans have. Just because an animal has 5 fingers, it doesn't mean it can manipulate objects as well as we do.
Maybe it's because every other week there is an article like that in the popular press, but 3 months later it turns out that not only were these cells not nearly totipotent (able to differentiate into ANY cell), but they're not nearly as good as cord blood. The scientists don't gather at their meetings to decide how many embryos they're going to destroy just for the heck of it, when there are other ways of doing it. The fact is that till now I have not seen ANY convincing evidence that truly totipotent cells can come from anywhere but the embryo, and I think I am pretty qualified to make that judgement.
But you know, even if we did gather somewhere to concoct grand plans to destroy embryos to fulfill their evil agenda, frankly if I were you, I'd be far more worried about the prospects of what happens if we will just suddenly stop all research that the fundies don't approve of.
I challenge you to clear New York in 20 minutes at 3am Sunday night (least traffic possible). If you can do it, I'll move out, and you can have my Manhattan apartment.
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I guess it's important to know... but the overall implications of such a detection method are almost nil, given the fatality rate of malignant melanoma. The idea is to catch it before the metastasis.
Well, I am a biologist... and a biochemist... and a geneticist... so that was lost on me.
I assert that the proteins are identical by the peptide sequence... and the composition of the component amino acids. If neither has changed, then yes, the proteins are identical... and this has already been shown true. I don't know what you're going on about. It's clear that when you say "more subtle changes" you have no idea of what you're talking about.
"I suspect you wish to force your values (anything goes, big business can do no wrong, the free market is perfect) on the population."
^ What the hell was that about? What, when you run out of arguments in the face of facts, you revert to just inventing stuff and finger-pointing?
"Personall, I find your faith in our corporate overlords disturbing."
^ That does signify the end of our discussion and the addition of your name to my ignore list. You invoke the magic "evil corporation" rhetoric, while I was presenting scientific fact. You might as well have accused me of having "fuzzy math". Anyway... enjoy your tinfoil hat, and goodbye.
A good analogy to what you're proposing is this:
- A new way of purifying water was invented
- The resulting liquid was analyzed by mass-spectrometry, NMR, IR and all other tools in the disposal of modern science. The study determined that the liquid that comes out of the machine is absolutely pure H2O, completely identical to all other water, and containing no additives
- You propose that we have to conduct a long-term study comparing the effects of drinking water to drinking water.
Again, you're simply denying reality. Of course there are studies proving that it's safe.
Try this one:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7465286/
Yes, and?
Dolly may have been genetically six years old... but the composition of her tissues still consisted of proteins that are sequencially identical to the wild-type sheep. So tell me, where does the caring part come in? Is she going to hurt you with her shortened telomeres?
This is akin to saying that you don't want your meat to be delivered on a truck that had a flat tire.
Please, please oh please site those "legitimate scientific reasons".
Actually the label SHOULD say:
"This beef is NOT CLONED. It contains 20% more fats than the cloned one next to it... doesn't taste as good... and costs 3X as much... please enjoy."
The fact is that THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE to using cloned animals. The proteins and fats you'll be eating are going to be identical to what they would be in an animal that reproduced the natural way. The only difference is that now when they find an animal that is perfect in terms of its fat-to-meat ratio, they'll clone it so that ALL OF THEM are like that. I have a big problem with people who shy away from recombinant DNA technologies being used in production of foodstuffs, just because they don't understand it. Give it up - you don't understand how 99% of the things you use and consume are manufactured, yet you use them anyway. It's not voodoo, it's not magic... it's science. So will you please leave the science to the people who understand it, and enjoy the beautiful, tasty, and safe steak put before you!
"I have concerns about food from cloned animals because I read that cloned animals have genetic problems."
Considering how focused you are on "I", it's unsurprising that you've "read" about the "genetic problems" of cloned animals. By "read" I'll presume you mean a conspiracy theorist website... and by "genetic problems" I'll presume you mean... well... nothing.
It's called a diesel.
AMD did actually have a chipset. If was called the 761 (if I remember correctly) and it was for the Athlon chips.
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Paired with an Athlon 1.4, and filled with the Gainward Geforce2 (and then 3) as well as miscellanneous stuff, it was the most reliable computer I've ever had. As a matter of fact, it's still humming with no issues whatsoever in my ex-gf's machine.
P.S. Actually gotta give credit where it's due, it's tied with my old P3 733 on a Tyan board for reliability. That one is still powering my parents's desktop.
Our system is much more efficient. There is no need to control the VOTING on a national level, when one can just control the RESULT.
I wasn't criticizing anyone. I was just saying that it gets a lot worse than 60 hours a week.
Whether it's fortunate or not, it seems that long hours are becoming the trend in any industry where a person can consider themselves midly successful.
I don't know if the programmers, IT people, and other techs should be complaining about the hours. In finance, law, biomedical research, and medicine, the hours are often far far worse. For example... I put in 9am-10pm every day (often 9am-12am)... and 12pm-6pm both weekend days... and get crap if I don't work 7 days a week. That comes out to 80+ hours per week... every week... with no vacations.
With one-time pads, quantum computing, and the absolute encryption secrecy it offers, I think we're just going to have to live with the fact that criminals can be secure from electronic eavesdropping, for as long as the general public is allowed access to computers.
That's not true at all. M4 and AK, even though they are meant to be equivalent, are VERY different guns. The AK first 2 rounds have the accuracy of a sniper rifle without the scope. The M4 has a very tight spray, on the other hand. But most importantly, an AK headshot will ALWAYS kill you, and an M4 to the head with a helmet will take off 81-89 health, depending on whether it comes from the front or the back.
"Sure, they scrub the exhaust for really harmful chemicals and particles, but they still release a lot of CO2."
So do you... Do you really want to help the environment?
That's a horrible misunderstanding. The number of genes has nothing to do with complexity of adaptation. Their REGULATION does. That's why ~90% of the human genome is non-coding. Much of the intragenic space is packed with chromatin and transcription regulatory sequences, control sites, etc... etc... etc...
Here's an analogy:
It's similar to saying that sophistication of manipulation is a function of how many fingers one has. That's not correct - you need specific muscle placement, fine motor and sensory function, and huge regions of the brain dedicated to actually using those fingers in order to achieve the mastery of manual manipulation that humans have. Just because an animal has 5 fingers, it doesn't mean it can manipulate objects as well as we do.
What kind of a douchebag marked the parent Flamebait?
Maybe it's because every other week there is an article like that in the popular press, but 3 months later it turns out that not only were these cells not nearly totipotent (able to differentiate into ANY cell), but they're not nearly as good as cord blood. The scientists don't gather at their meetings to decide how many embryos they're going to destroy just for the heck of it, when there are other ways of doing it. The fact is that till now I have not seen ANY convincing evidence that truly totipotent cells can come from anywhere but the embryo, and I think I am pretty qualified to make that judgement.
But you know, even if we did gather somewhere to concoct grand plans to destroy embryos to fulfill their evil agenda, frankly if I were you, I'd be far more worried about the prospects of what happens if we will just suddenly stop all research that the fundies don't approve of.
I challenge you to clear New York in 20 minutes at 3am Sunday night (least traffic possible). If you can do it, I'll move out, and you can have my Manhattan apartment.
They don't need any proof to sue you. You'll have to spend a bit before they'll drop the case... even if they have no evidence whatsoever.
Something tells me that what you're suggesting is the quickest way to get sued.
DVDs are not encoded at 720p... they are recorded at 480p. Please refrain from posting crap info.
Um... yeah - let me guess - you don't have a car.