You know,
That happened on my yahoo account as well. One day I had over 50 bounced messages with fully forged headers. I got onto abuse@yahoo that day and told them they may want to start taking count of how many people this is happening to. I've had that account for about 5 years now so I expect a great deal of spam to culminate there but the full forge as was done on this day was kind of blatant. THankfully I haven't had any people write back any angry letters and I got a response from yahoo that day and there were a few emails back and forth. All good. I haven't had anything like that spam since then (and they were porn as well) but I fully expect to get more.
If you think about it, I think it would be a good thing to get these things done in high school. It shows a basic understanding of what you are doing. By all means get Microsoft in on the mix. If it takes a semester or a full year to get the kids up to snuff, GREAT!!!! I guarantee you in that semester or year they are going to get some good lab experience and, if they have the right teacher, a lot of real world experience as well.
When I was teaching I did all the typical MS Labs for the students and they mastered them pretty easily. Once I saw students getting cocky though, I would slap a week long project on their desks that made them think outside of what they had read in their books and done through the labs. It's great to see students thinking for themselves in quasi real world situations. I did the same for the Linux classes I taught, although their labs, workbooks, and manuals were written entirely by myself.
Ok, get to the point, I know.:) Microsoft would be more then welcomed to do the same thing. Just make sure the teachers teaching it are up to the challenge of delivering more than the curricullum or we will see a bunch of paper tigers in the near future....
heheeh Don't worry about being a troll. If I had some points to spare I'd mod ya up.:) Anyways, boxen. I've always said boxen or boxes or "that big thundering turd sitting in the corner".:) I guess I should stop using that.:)
As for the aura, I've used so much crap in my little bit of time on computers that Linux "pre-distro" (or, Linux P.D. hehehe) doesn't seem so bad. Back then that was something for me to tinker with, play around with. Now, it's something I actively promote, install, recommend, implement, and maintain on a pretty regular basis. The lack of aura is basically an open mind, open spirit, and hearty enthusiasm. Nothing has jaded me to the point yet that I'm b****ing and moaning about this or that. I'm happy where I am. I'm happy to help, and I'm happy to learn.
Yes, Slackware was released 10 years ago. A lot of us didn't start with distros at all.:) I slacked off for a little while testing other stuff (OS/2, NT, Netware) but have always kept some type of Linux floating around wherever I go.
Peter MacDonald reference. I'm not going to look it up but I'm guessing you're referring to SLS. I could most definately be wrong. That period from 16-17 years old for me is a little on the hazy side. >:)
And, last but not least, I don't think I said anything the least bit derrogatory about BSD. I just don't see what the second comment was all about. The admins are using the best tools they see fit for the job. Enough said.
People choose FreeBSD, NetBSD, *BSD, anything else because, for them, it fits the bill. I'll be the first to say that I love to push Linux anywhere I see it can make a difference but I'll be honest, I've done my fair share of pushing XP, *BSD, OS/2, 98, NT, OS X, anything that will get the job done for the user. FreeBSD and any of the BSDs for that matter are excellent backend systems. Rock solid, stable, not a lot of fluff, they are there and that's all that needs to be said.
Linux boxen can be made just as stable, just as reliable, just as "there" as any BSD. I guess in a round about way I'm saying it comes down to preference and familiarity just like anything else. I'm familiar with Linux (11+ years familiar). I'm not as familiar with BSD (only about 5 years now) but I know a good deal of its strengths and weaknesses and I'm happy to say that there are places I would put BSD right now and not one of the Linux distros (barring Slackware or my own) just because of extra work involved that should be unnecessary.
Being an American living in NZ, I find the law over here (NZ) to be more to the point but, in essence, it's the same in states (at least in WV). But, as everyone has been saying, paying with a credit card is your safest bet.
I think the scariest part about all of this is, most telcos, telecoms, ISPs, anyone who offers these services, will have one password for all. This is not an isolated case by a long shot and at the very least, customers who have their broadband installed should be made aware that their equipment: 1) Does have a password 2) This is your password and you should change it 3) Here are the instructions to change the password or alternatively I/we can do this for you 4) Once I/we leave here, it is your responsibilty to look after your equipment unless you have a specifc contract with us stating otherwise (managed IP networks, Frame Relay, yada yada)
Now, we all know that the contracts will absolve the ISP/Telco of any harm caused by this and we all know how well people read those contracts . A simple, "Here's the deal" would suffice and make sure it is one sheet of paper in easy to understand language that all involved can reference.
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You know,
That happened on my yahoo account as well. One day I had over 50 bounced messages with fully forged headers. I got onto abuse@yahoo that day and told them they may want to start taking count of how many people this is happening to. I've had that account for about 5 years now so I expect a great deal of spam to culminate there but the full forge as was done on this day was kind of blatant. THankfully I haven't had any people write back any angry letters and I got a response from yahoo that day and there were a few emails back and forth. All good. I haven't had anything like that spam since then (and they were porn as well) but I fully expect to get more.
CliffH
If you think about it, I think it would be a good thing to get these things done in high school. It shows a basic understanding of what you are doing. By all means get Microsoft in on the mix. If it takes a semester or a full year to get the kids up to snuff, GREAT!!!! I guarantee you in that semester or year they are going to get some good lab experience and, if they have the right teacher, a lot of real world experience as well.
:) Microsoft would be more then welcomed to do the same thing. Just make sure the teachers teaching it are up to the challenge of delivering more than the curricullum or we will see a bunch of paper tigers in the near future....
When I was teaching I did all the typical MS Labs for the students and they mastered them pretty easily. Once I saw students getting cocky though, I would slap a week long project on their desks that made them think outside of what they had read in their books and done through the labs. It's great to see students thinking for themselves in quasi real world situations. I did the same for the Linux classes I taught, although their labs, workbooks, and manuals were written entirely by myself.
Ok, get to the point, I know.
CliffH
heheeh Don't worry about being a troll. If I had some points to spare I'd mod ya up. :) Anyways, boxen. I've always said boxen or boxes or "that big thundering turd sitting in the corner". :) I guess I should stop using that. :)
As for the aura, I've used so much crap in my little bit of time on computers that Linux "pre-distro" (or, Linux P.D. hehehe) doesn't seem so bad. Back then that was something for me to tinker with, play around with. Now, it's something I actively promote, install, recommend, implement, and maintain on a pretty regular basis. The lack of aura is basically an open mind, open spirit, and hearty enthusiasm. Nothing has jaded me to the point yet that I'm b****ing and moaning about this or that. I'm happy where I am. I'm happy to help, and I'm happy to learn.
Cliff "Have done way too much posting today" H.
Yes, Slackware was released 10 years ago. A lot of us didn't start with distros at all. :) I slacked off for a little while testing other stuff (OS/2, NT, Netware) but have always kept some type of Linux floating around wherever I go.
Peter MacDonald reference. I'm not going to look it up but I'm guessing you're referring to SLS. I could most definately be wrong. That period from 16-17 years old for me is a little on the hazy side. >:)
And, last but not least, I don't think I said anything the least bit derrogatory about BSD. I just don't see what the second comment was all about. The admins are using the best tools they see fit for the job. Enough said.
Cliff
People choose FreeBSD, NetBSD, *BSD, anything else because, for them, it fits the bill. I'll be the first to say that I love to push Linux anywhere I see it can make a difference but I'll be honest, I've done my fair share of pushing XP, *BSD, OS/2, 98, NT, OS X, anything that will get the job done for the user. FreeBSD and any of the BSDs for that matter are excellent backend systems. Rock solid, stable, not a lot of fluff, they are there and that's all that needs to be said.
:)
Linux boxen can be made just as stable, just as reliable, just as "there" as any BSD. I guess in a round about way I'm saying it comes down to preference and familiarity just like anything else. I'm familiar with Linux (11+ years familiar). I'm not as familiar with BSD (only about 5 years now) but I know a good deal of its strengths and weaknesses and I'm happy to say that there are places I would put BSD right now and not one of the Linux distros (barring Slackware or my own) just because of extra work involved that should be unnecessary.
Ok, done ranting.
Cliff
Being an American living in NZ, I find the law over here (NZ) to be more to the point but, in essence, it's the same in states (at least in WV). But, as everyone has been saying, paying with a credit card is your safest bet.
I think the scariest part about all of this is, most telcos, telecoms, ISPs, anyone who offers these services, will have one password for all. This is not an isolated case by a long shot and at the very least, customers who have their broadband installed should be made aware that their equipment:
1) Does have a password
2) This is your password and you should change it
3) Here are the instructions to change the password or alternatively I/we can do this for you
4) Once I/we leave here, it is your responsibilty to look after your equipment unless you have a specifc contract with us stating otherwise (managed IP networks, Frame Relay, yada yada)
Now, we all know that the contracts will absolve the ISP/Telco of any harm caused by this and we all know how well people read those contracts . A simple, "Here's the deal" would suffice and make sure it is one sheet of paper in easy to understand language that all involved can reference.
Ok, enough ranting.