It's a bigger deal than that because the Java APIs are clearly derivative of C and C++ libraries. Oracle DB and SQL is clearly derivative of other work. Which means if Oracle wins this one they've effectively commited suicide. All their IP would belong to somebody else.
HP also can't warrant that your NetBSD driver (or whatever random distro) for their onboard SAS array controller functions properly as they haven't qualified it and couldn't troubleshoot it. They do however have their own Linux-based diagnostic utility to diagnose all the hardware on every single server, that you can download for free. And by all the hardware I mean all of it: every dimm, processor, timer, sensor, add-in card and so on. And if that diagnostic finds bad hardware, they can and do honor the warranty and replace the hardware - paying for onsite service if required if that's the warranty. Not only is what OS you're running on the hardware not relevant, the question is not even asked. If the hardware checks out you need to submit a bug report to your OS provider because it's not the hardware that's broken.
There are other levels of support, like Software support, where HP partners with the OS provider and if an issue is found they get the software fixed or update the driver. You're only going to get that on a certified OS with purchased software support. These problems are pretty rare. Usually the companies that buy this level of support are Fortune 1000 companies, government agencies and the like, or they have a business-critical application, or some bleeding-edge hardware. Almost all hardware and OS's have odd corner case quirks that only show up for one person in a hundred thousand, in one particular use case on one particular OS. Those are the most pernicious bugs, and it can take this level of Software Support to root them out. Sometimes they're never completely resolved before the equipment hits end-of-life or an OS update mysteriously disappears the problem. But those are rare. You can go a whole career and never find one because of the thorough validation processes that go on before the first server of the model even ships.
It wasn't so long ago that OEMs were deliberately bundling in things with proprietary hardware you not only couldn't get drivers for, but the responsible company that designed the chipset wouldn't even give the specifications for so the drivers had to be painstakingly reverse-engineered. HP is one company that fought that trend and stuck with industry standard, fairly open hardware and helped win that war on servers. In laptops and desktops they did dabble in the dodgy wifi, networking and audio chipsets though - and still do a little bit. But on the servers I believe they have always been pretty solid.
Mostly what I'm trying to avoid here is somebody taking away from this discussion the idea that if they run Distro X, HP will deny their warranty repair of genuinely faulty equipment. Because that is simply not true. And it wouldn't be legal if it was true.
It's about both patent and copyright. They're down to only one patent though. The actual copyright is minimal, so Oracle's trying to make the silly argument that they have a copyright on the API. Not only is such a thing impossible, but they can't produce a "work" that's infringed nor an exemplar of a reproduction.
I'm going to agree with the grandparent. One employee urging the company buy something to solve a certain problem is not proof the company stole it. If the company decides to achieve its goals in a different way strategically because the object of their desire is not for sale (which is the case here) this also doesn't mean that they stole it.
When some people say that Macs don't have "that problem" they're not talking about being utterly immune. They're talking in relative terms. And in that context they are right.
HP can't provide software support for every distro on Earth is their only issue, not refusing warranty on hardware. They have been Linux fans for a long time - they donate the servers for kernel.org, for example and support drivers for almost all their printers.
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So if I understand you properly you're saying that Islam is both a Religion and a State, and you are blaming this behavior on the State aspect rather than the Religion aspect. Right?
It's 25 grand. It sends a message that they're petty and insecure. Google should fight it up to $25K worth of government lawyers time to be equally petty.
Nothing is 100% secure. Not even FreeBSD, which is not known to have had a remotely exploitable vulnerability in the current version ever. The only way to make a computer completely secure is to slag it into a ball of molten uselessness.
I don't mean to deny here that some are better than others at security. There are good, bad and best practices. But for absolutes? Don't digitize it and put it in a computer if you expect or need it to remain private forever.
You're close, but no cigar. I'm saying that there is no "we" capable of imposing our will on all the world to achieve the global aim of living within our sustainable means. 90 percent of us could agree to restrain ourselves, and the remaining 10 percent would out-reproduce us until the former were less than half and their self-restraint not only meaningless, but counterproductive.
On mega scale despite our intelligence humans are no better than bacteria in a dish. We reproduce to exceed our available resources, and then we compete with diminishing returns.
Escaping the dish is an option now for a little while, but we seem unable to gather the will for that.
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You're assuming facts not in evidence. In a free country everybody gets a fair trial before we hang them.
What they've done to him (kidnapping, imprisonment, theft) is a far bigger crime than he was accused of.
What is this? Is it new?
I don't remember. You know where groklaw is. You find it.
It's a bigger deal than that because the Java APIs are clearly derivative of C and C++ libraries. Oracle DB and SQL is clearly derivative of other work. Which means if Oracle wins this one they've effectively commited suicide. All their IP would belong to somebody else.
HP also can't warrant that your NetBSD driver (or whatever random distro) for their onboard SAS array controller functions properly as they haven't qualified it and couldn't troubleshoot it. They do however have their own Linux-based diagnostic utility to diagnose all the hardware on every single server, that you can download for free. And by all the hardware I mean all of it: every dimm, processor, timer, sensor, add-in card and so on. And if that diagnostic finds bad hardware, they can and do honor the warranty and replace the hardware - paying for onsite service if required if that's the warranty. Not only is what OS you're running on the hardware not relevant, the question is not even asked. If the hardware checks out you need to submit a bug report to your OS provider because it's not the hardware that's broken.
There are other levels of support, like Software support, where HP partners with the OS provider and if an issue is found they get the software fixed or update the driver. You're only going to get that on a certified OS with purchased software support. These problems are pretty rare. Usually the companies that buy this level of support are Fortune 1000 companies, government agencies and the like, or they have a business-critical application, or some bleeding-edge hardware. Almost all hardware and OS's have odd corner case quirks that only show up for one person in a hundred thousand, in one particular use case on one particular OS. Those are the most pernicious bugs, and it can take this level of Software Support to root them out. Sometimes they're never completely resolved before the equipment hits end-of-life or an OS update mysteriously disappears the problem. But those are rare. You can go a whole career and never find one because of the thorough validation processes that go on before the first server of the model even ships.
It wasn't so long ago that OEMs were deliberately bundling in things with proprietary hardware you not only couldn't get drivers for, but the responsible company that designed the chipset wouldn't even give the specifications for so the drivers had to be painstakingly reverse-engineered. HP is one company that fought that trend and stuck with industry standard, fairly open hardware and helped win that war on servers. In laptops and desktops they did dabble in the dodgy wifi, networking and audio chipsets though - and still do a little bit. But on the servers I believe they have always been pretty solid.
Mostly what I'm trying to avoid here is somebody taking away from this discussion the idea that if they run Distro X, HP will deny their warranty repair of genuinely faulty equipment. Because that is simply not true. And it wouldn't be legal if it was true.
It's about both patent and copyright. They're down to only one patent though. The actual copyright is minimal, so Oracle's trying to make the silly argument that they have a copyright on the API. Not only is such a thing impossible, but they can't produce a "work" that's infringed nor an exemplar of a reproduction.
I'm going to agree with the grandparent. One employee urging the company buy something to solve a certain problem is not proof the company stole it. If the company decides to achieve its goals in a different way strategically because the object of their desire is not for sale (which is the case here) this also doesn't mean that they stole it.
When some people say that Macs don't have "that problem" they're not talking about being utterly immune. They're talking in relative terms. And in that context they are right.
HP can't provide software support for every distro on Earth is their only issue, not refusing warranty on hardware. They have been Linux fans for a long time - they donate the servers for kernel.org, for example and support drivers for almost all their printers.
If software can break your hardware, then your hardware was already broken.
These physicists need to back off the horny goat wee.
I was quite find with up, down and sidways moderation of this comment. But funny? This is not fucking funny. This is the fucking opposite of funny.
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+1
Let me explain the eternal september....
Unfortunately you can't copyright an idea.
You were warned.
So if I understand you properly you're saying that Islam is both a Religion and a State, and you are blaming this behavior on the State aspect rather than the Religion aspect. Right?
I understand the electronic heads are more sensitive to high frequencies than your ears are.
Convince James Cameron to shoot a Martian film. On location.
Sergey's not got malware top of mind these days. They banished Windows from their network years ago.
It's 25 grand. It sends a message that they're petty and insecure. Google should fight it up to $25K worth of government lawyers time to be equally petty.
Go ahead and mod me down Y'all. I can afford it. It'll teach others about your presence here.
Nothing is 100% secure. Not even FreeBSD, which is not known to have had a remotely exploitable vulnerability in the current version ever. The only way to make a computer completely secure is to slag it into a ball of molten uselessness.
I don't mean to deny here that some are better than others at security. There are good, bad and best practices. But for absolutes? Don't digitize it and put it in a computer if you expect or need it to remain private forever.
You're close, but no cigar. I'm saying that there is no "we" capable of imposing our will on all the world to achieve the global aim of living within our sustainable means. 90 percent of us could agree to restrain ourselves, and the remaining 10 percent would out-reproduce us until the former were less than half and their self-restraint not only meaningless, but counterproductive.
On mega scale despite our intelligence humans are no better than bacteria in a dish. We reproduce to exceed our available resources, and then we compete with diminishing returns.
Escaping the dish is an option now for a little while, but we seem unable to gather the will for that.