A liberal elite that would not cut funding for meals on wheels.
A liberal elite that cut food stamps into law and tried to cut Medicare and Social Security benefits (Obama) after gutting welfare in the 90's (Clintons).
A liberal elite that would not have abandoned humanitarian aid for South Sudan in a time of crisis.
The liberal elite tripled the number of wars engaged in after Bush left office.
We should still try to know if Russia attempted to interfere regardless of whether they were successful or not in changing the outcome.
As much as we needed to know if Obama had a legit birth certificate. 2009: teabaggers go so far as to file lawsuits to find out the "truth" if he was born in Kenya, to deny him legitimacy as president. 2017: Democrats mindlessly repeat laughable, anonymous claims made to the CIA-funded WaPo to deny Trump legitimacy as president.
They just really really try to imply those kinds of the things with the phrase "interfering with the election".
Pretty much - you get them on camera and they suddenly demure when pressed for specifics. Or just lose their shit and start calling a conservative Republican a Russian operative on Fox News. That's from someone with both the means to know specifics (top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee) and motive (he's a Democrat who wants people to blame Russia for his candidates loss).
The entire "Russia did it" farce is nothing more than the Birthering of the Democrats - stupid partisans buying stupid propaganda in order to say the POTUS isn't legit.
His late-election statements that Clinton Emails were back under investigation likely cost her the election.
Nah, that would have been her decision not to campaign in the Rust Belt where Trump was actively going out and asking people to vote for him. Didn't help that Clintonbots had been shouting that if 'Trump didn't accept the election results he was undermining our democracy'. Because when it came time to do recounts, they couldn't do it without looking like the pathetic idiots they are, and had to rely on Jill Stien to do it for them.
He appears to be no one's friend.
If her name was Hillary Johnson she'd be serving decades in prison just for the obstruction of justice charges over her destruction of evidence. Comey is the greatest friend Hillary has ever had.
There were several budgets under Obama. He just could not get Republicans to vote for any of them.
Yes, they rejected his proposed cuts to Medicare and Social Security. Which is funny that Republicans hate Obama like they hated Clinton, when they've been the "best" right-wing neoliberal Republicans this country has ever elected.
And if you actually read the news you'd know Russia has a nasty habbit of invading countries in their little sphere of influence that try to align themselves with us. As far as their hacking, the DNC hack is a million miles from Russia's only antiwestern internet mischief. Eastern Europe's internet infastructure faces continual harassment from the Russians or in other words, our allies are suffering constant harrassment by Russia.
Horseshit.
Reality: the United States overthrew Ukraine's elected government, after the duly elected government went with a low interest loan from Russia instead of one from the IMF, with the usual austerity measures attached. Do any of you American Exceptionalists think the U.S. would stand idly by if Russia had overthrown the Mexican government, complete with a Russian foreign minister bragging on video about the money they spent to do so? And then have the nerve to whine about Russia's [nonexistent] interference in our election. The "harassment from Russia" is even more laughable when you remember how much NATO has expanded since the fall of the Soviet Union.
So even if Russia had invaded Ukraine, it would only be a million times more justified than any American intervention you can name. But they haven't, or you'd have more than laughable evidence collected from the Facebook pages of Ukrainian fascists. If you think the existing Russian military base in Crimea is an invasion, then the U.S. has been conducting 900+ invasions around the world for some time now.
As for the election hacking, those who believed that story from the start showed they didn't learn a damned thing from the lies told about Saddam's WMD's and involvement in 911. Anyone who still believes anonymous sources in the CIA-funded WaPo after the last Wikileaks dump is now an outright fool. Even moreso when high level officials would rather accuse a right-wing Fox News host of working for Putin when asked to look in to the camera and say Russia was behind a specific attack.
dl;dr Russia isn't the problem. Your dumb imperialistic, American Exceptionalist ass is.
1) No one can directly hire a spouse for a job and especially underneath themselves without running afoul of federal hiring laws--they would have to recuse themselves. Further, GS 14-15 are considered high grade and the hiring decision must be made by a panel that isn't even allowed to speak to the candidates. This holds even for SES's that make the final hiring decision. (SES's can't overturn CFR's)
He didn't say the boss's boss was her spouse, just another government employee - could have been at a different agency entirely.
Well if you want me to be shocked and outraged then you need to show me them using them against Americans.
They're willing to spy on everything from the personal cell phones of allied heads of state, to soldiers having phone sex with their spouses back home while on deployment, to laundrying illegally gathered information through "fusion centers" in order to prosecute people domestically - and you thing they aren't hacking American TV's without warrants?
In that case, sorry to hear you've been struck with a terminal case of willful dumbfuckery.
There's no need to assassinate the character of Mr. Assange, he is doing a swell job himself with all lying, backstabbing behavior etc.
This is sarcasm, no? Brining up the subject character assassination and then engaging in a round of ratfucking character assassination in the same breath.
Because it was a shit sandwich. They knew it was a shit sandwich because they're the ones who came up with the damned thing, through the Heritage Foundation in the early 90's. That they didn't have a better plan (since their own plan was adopted by a Democratic president, in the same way NAFTA was) does nothing to change the fact that it wasn't Republicans who saddled the country with a mandate to buy a shit sandwich (junk for-profit insurance).
Because "raised storage tanks" are far more expensive than diesel generators?
Of course - if you're only looking at up-front costs. But how much is your monthly diesel cost going to compare to the monthly cost of a loan for farm's little water tower...
You can blame lobbyists and the Republican filibuster
Lobbyists yes, Republicans no. Obama drowned the public option in the bathtub long before any Republican could vote against it in Congress. And after that, the ACA passed without a single Republican vote, as partisan Democrats keep reminding people.
Obomneycare is entirely on Democrats - one of the reasons Republicans voted against it.
The answer, since you're unwilling to look for yourself, is "no".
That's not how this works. How this does work: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." If you persist in being a lazy commenter, we'll move to the stage of the conversation where I casually assert that you like to have sex with farm animals in school playgrounds, since it's your now job to disprove the assertion made online. And while we're on the subject of debunking false narratives.....
Those emails, though
Yes, Hillary setting up a email server was a disastrous, corrupt, arrogant decision for her to make. Dems think they're making a great point with the "but her emails!" meme, but all you're doing is highlighting the fact that Hillary had no business running for dog catcher of the DNC, much less POTUS.
Two years after savaging the Bush Administration, "Our Constitution is being shredded. We know about the secret wiretaps, the secret military tribunals, the secret White House email accounts" she was doing the same damn thing herself. If that wasn't bad enough, she kept her server after Republicans took the Senate in the 2010 elections, who then had the power to subpoena her.
Dem's like to whine that the GOP smear machine has had it out for her for a quarter of a century, which is true. But then how dumb of a fuck did she have to be to hand them a real scandal, one that could still send her to prison. Warmed over Vince Foster bullshit no longer needed, now you can prosecute her dumb ass for mishandling classified evidence and obstruction of justice, when she deleted thousands of emails before her server could be inspected. And you can skip all the tired excuses for Hillary's unsecured, unauthorized server when a man is currently serving time for taking selfies on his unsecured, unauthorized cell phone.
If her name was Hillary Johnson, she'd already be in prison serving 20 years - for obstruction of justice charges alone. Then Dems have the nerve to whine about Comey, when they should be thanking him for not perp walking her into an arraignment.
This is part of the normal political pendulum. People become disillusioned with whatever party is in power because problems aren't being solved. So they vote the other guys in, and then slowly realize that the other party doesn't have any solutions either.
Democrats haven't been this wiped out between state and federal levels in almost 100 years. There's nothing "normal" about this, so Republicans should be thanking Obama on a daily basis for all the hard work he did for their party.
That's as much bullshit as claiming that racist Trump supporters don't exist. Off the top of my head:
Game of Thrones was "glamorizing" rape in a scene that was supposed to be creepy as fuck: her brother forcing himself on her over the corpse of their dead son. The SWJ's on Salon got half a dozen articles out of that, but DGAF about cannibals murdering an entire village in the same episode, and Theon's far worse fate in a previous season.
All the ratfucking aimed at Bernie Sander's way when he said "excuse me, I'm talking" during a debate - ermagerd he's so sexist to shout down the wooman in the race! When in reality she had constantly been interrupting him, and Sanders was just speaking up for himself.
Of course SJW's exist. They are the left wing equivalent of right wingers who rail against trans people using bathrooms or Muslims - assholes who use demagoguery to control conversation and shut people up.
You apparently can't read a rule book. Check out the electoral college. It's I good idea. Prevents half a dozen or so states from controlling presidential elections. Maybe you should read up on it.
Half a dozen states already control the results of presidential elections, as the last election just proved. Small states don't matter, big states don't matter, only "battleground" states do.
I don't recall any evidence that her server was unpatched. I'm so sick of hearing about her email server.
That's neat, I'm tired of hearing nonsensical excuses for her private email server. Which set set up a mere two years after attacking the the Bush Administration for their use of private email servers.
she could probably find the right people to help her hire the right people to make her email way better than the department one
See above on nonsensical excuses. When was the last time you heard of an email server getting hacked that serves the director of the CIA? The FBI? The Pentagon? Not some podunk Social Security office, but one for a high-level cabinet post or agency head that deals with highly classified information every minute of every day.
But I'm also cognizant that separating domestic from foreign activities is no longer a good way to define the various agencies' behavior.
It is when your couch is more likely to murder you than a terrorist. You're falling into the same authoritarian mindset that you have to surrender your Constitutional rights because it means somewhere, sometime, some pedophile might get away with it if law enforcement can't search his computer with a warrant.
Stop doing that. And that's putting the fact that the worst purveyor of violence and terrorism in recent worldwide history is the United States aside entirely.
I understand that, but I'll ask again, where in the vault7 stuff does it indicate the CIA is monitoring calls where US citizens are on either end?
Why so willfully obtuse? We've known for years now that the U.S. "intelligence community" wants to grab every piece of information it can, from every person on the planet that it can. Hell, the NSA even tells you on their own fucking website that they want to "collect all available information from all available sources all the time, every time, always". Now, you think for one second that the CIA, which is in the business of lying to Congress and overthrowing Democracies, isn't spying on American citizens???
I have said in the past, when people ask me how I view Snowden, I say he is a Traitorous Hero. They have no concept that he can legitimately be both Hero and Traitor.
Uh huh. And how would have Snowden upheld his oath of office - to protect and defend the Constitution - without doing what he did? The "proper channels" are designed to shut down the exposition of government lawbreaking, not expose it.
The Democrats even let Russia invade and take over part of the Ukraine, who we were sworn to protect by treaty.
Which is bullshit and horseshit, respectively. If Russia had invaded Ukraine - after a U.S. sponsored coup of the elected government - you'd have more than pictures posted on Facebook and Twitter to back up those assertions. And Ukraine, years after the U.S. sponsored coup, still isn't a part of NATO, so you're 0 for 2.
he's a jackass who's just claiming the US is going to extradite him to avoid facing the charges and to keep himself in the limelight
You were doing fine with the prebutting of criticism until you got to echoing the ratfucking of Assange. No one is going to choose near-solitary confinement for years on end for shits and giggles and "attention". If the rape allegations weren't a mere pretext for Sweden to hand him over to U.S. custody, why haven't Swedish officials interviewed him remotely or in the embassy, as he has offered to do. Why hasn't the Swedish government promised not to extradite Assange if he voluntarily returns to Sweden - as he has also offered to do.
Because there is only one possible answer to that - the allegations are a mere pretext to hand him over to U.S. custody, or at least be extensively interrogated by U.S. authorities in Sweden. It's happened before. The country may be known for its socialisticy health care and education system, but it's positively medieval its criminal justice system, allowing suspects to be held and interrogated with no lawyers or outside contact for extended periods of time.
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A liberal elite that cut food stamps into law and tried to cut Medicare and Social Security benefits (Obama) after gutting welfare in the 90's (Clintons).
The liberal elite tripled the number of wars engaged in after Bush left office.
As much as we needed to know if Obama had a legit birth certificate. 2009: teabaggers go so far as to file lawsuits to find out the "truth" if he was born in Kenya, to deny him legitimacy as president. 2017: Democrats mindlessly repeat laughable, anonymous claims made to the CIA-funded WaPo to deny Trump legitimacy as president.
Pretty much - you get them on camera and they suddenly demure when pressed for specifics. Or just lose their shit and start calling a conservative Republican a Russian operative on Fox News. That's from someone with both the means to know specifics (top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee) and motive (he's a Democrat who wants people to blame Russia for his candidates loss).
The entire "Russia did it" farce is nothing more than the Birthering of the Democrats - stupid partisans buying stupid propaganda in order to say the POTUS isn't legit.
No.
Nah, that would have been her decision not to campaign in the Rust Belt where Trump was actively going out and asking people to vote for him. Didn't help that Clintonbots had been shouting that if 'Trump didn't accept the election results he was undermining our democracy'. Because when it came time to do recounts, they couldn't do it without looking like the pathetic idiots they are, and had to rely on Jill Stien to do it for them.
If her name was Hillary Johnson she'd be serving decades in prison just for the obstruction of justice charges over her destruction of evidence. Comey is the greatest friend Hillary has ever had.
Yes, they rejected his proposed cuts to Medicare and Social Security. Which is funny that Republicans hate Obama like they hated Clinton, when they've been the "best" right-wing neoliberal Republicans this country has ever elected.
Horseshit.
Reality: the United States overthrew Ukraine's elected government, after the duly elected government went with a low interest loan from Russia instead of one from the IMF, with the usual austerity measures attached. Do any of you American Exceptionalists think the U.S. would stand idly by if Russia had overthrown the Mexican government, complete with a Russian foreign minister bragging on video about the money they spent to do so? And then have the nerve to whine about Russia's [nonexistent] interference in our election. The "harassment from Russia" is even more laughable when you remember how much NATO has expanded since the fall of the Soviet Union.
So even if Russia had invaded Ukraine, it would only be a million times more justified than any American intervention you can name. But they haven't, or you'd have more than laughable evidence collected from the Facebook pages of Ukrainian fascists. If you think the existing Russian military base in Crimea is an invasion, then the U.S. has been conducting 900+ invasions around the world for some time now.
As for the election hacking, those who believed that story from the start showed they didn't learn a damned thing from the lies told about Saddam's WMD's and involvement in 911. Anyone who still believes anonymous sources in the CIA-funded WaPo after the last Wikileaks dump is now an outright fool. Even moreso when high level officials would rather accuse a right-wing Fox News host of working for Putin when asked to look in to the camera and say Russia was behind a specific attack.
dl;dr Russia isn't the problem. Your dumb imperialistic, American Exceptionalist ass is.
He didn't say the boss's boss was her spouse, just another government employee - could have been at a different agency entirely.
They're willing to spy on everything from the personal cell phones of allied heads of state, to soldiers having phone sex with their spouses back home while on deployment, to laundrying illegally gathered information through "fusion centers" in order to prosecute people domestically - and you thing they aren't hacking American TV's without warrants?
In that case, sorry to hear you've been struck with a terminal case of willful dumbfuckery.
This is sarcasm, no? Brining up the subject character assassination and then engaging in a round of ratfucking character assassination in the same breath.
Because it was a shit sandwich. They knew it was a shit sandwich because they're the ones who came up with the damned thing, through the Heritage Foundation in the early 90's. That they didn't have a better plan (since their own plan was adopted by a Democratic president, in the same way NAFTA was) does nothing to change the fact that it wasn't Republicans who saddled the country with a mandate to buy a shit sandwich (junk for-profit insurance).
Of course - if you're only looking at up-front costs. But how much is your monthly diesel cost going to compare to the monthly cost of a loan for farm's little water tower...
Lobbyists yes, Republicans no. Obama drowned the public option in the bathtub long before any Republican could vote against it in Congress. And after that, the ACA passed without a single Republican vote, as partisan Democrats keep reminding people.
Obomneycare is entirely on Democrats - one of the reasons Republicans voted against it.
That's not how this works. How this does work: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." If you persist in being a lazy commenter, we'll move to the stage of the conversation where I casually assert that you like to have sex with farm animals in school playgrounds, since it's your now job to disprove the assertion made online. And while we're on the subject of debunking false narratives.....
Yes, Hillary setting up a email server was a disastrous, corrupt, arrogant decision for her to make. Dems think they're making a great point with the "but her emails!" meme, but all you're doing is highlighting the fact that Hillary had no business running for dog catcher of the DNC, much less POTUS.
Two years after savaging the Bush Administration, "Our Constitution is being shredded. We know about the secret wiretaps, the secret military tribunals, the secret White House email accounts" she was doing the same damn thing herself. If that wasn't bad enough, she kept her server after Republicans took the Senate in the 2010 elections, who then had the power to subpoena her.
Dem's like to whine that the GOP smear machine has had it out for her for a quarter of a century, which is true. But then how dumb of a fuck did she have to be to hand them a real scandal, one that could still send her to prison. Warmed over Vince Foster bullshit no longer needed, now you can prosecute her dumb ass for mishandling classified evidence and obstruction of justice, when she deleted thousands of emails before her server could be inspected. And you can skip all the tired excuses for Hillary's unsecured, unauthorized server when a man is currently serving time for taking selfies on his unsecured, unauthorized cell phone.
If her name was Hillary Johnson, she'd already be in prison serving 20 years - for obstruction of justice charges alone. Then Dems have the nerve to whine about Comey, when they should be thanking him for not perp walking her into an arraignment.
Democrats haven't been this wiped out between state and federal levels in almost 100 years. There's nothing "normal" about this, so Republicans should be thanking Obama on a daily basis for all the hard work he did for their party.
That's as much bullshit as claiming that racist Trump supporters don't exist. Off the top of my head:
Game of Thrones was "glamorizing" rape in a scene that was supposed to be creepy as fuck: her brother forcing himself on her over the corpse of their dead son. The SWJ's on Salon got half a dozen articles out of that, but DGAF about cannibals murdering an entire village in the same episode, and Theon's far worse fate in a previous season.
All the ratfucking aimed at Bernie Sander's way when he said "excuse me, I'm talking" during a debate - ermagerd he's so sexist to shout down the wooman in the race! When in reality she had constantly been interrupting him, and Sanders was just speaking up for himself.
The craters made in fainting couches over Marvel's variant cover of Spider-Women, even though Spider-Man often drawn in the same pose. In the same vein, the pearls clutched over Apocalypse holding Mystique by the throat, ignoring the fact that is also a common display of dominance from both antagonists and protagonists.
Of course SJW's exist. They are the left wing equivalent of right wingers who rail against trans people using bathrooms or Muslims - assholes who use demagoguery to control conversation and shut people up.
Was Pence dealing in the highest levels of classified information as part of his day job?
Was Pence subject to federal FOIA laws as a state official?
Was Pence railing against secret email servers just two years before doing the same thing himself? Although AOL isn't exactly 'secret'.
Not necessarily stupid, but you sure do like false equivalencies.
Half a dozen states already control the results of presidential elections, as the last election just proved. Small states don't matter, big states don't matter, only "battleground" states do.
Lulz. AM is a Randian whackjob, which means it is very, very easy to debate him as Randian whackjobs put their ideology before facts or reason.
That's neat, I'm tired of hearing nonsensical excuses for her private email server. Which set set up a mere two years after attacking the the Bush Administration for their use of private email servers.
See above on nonsensical excuses. When was the last time you heard of an email server getting hacked that serves the director of the CIA? The FBI? The Pentagon? Not some podunk Social Security office, but one for a high-level cabinet post or agency head that deals with highly classified information every minute of every day.
Not when he was under oath in front of Congress, you authoritarian ankle grabber, you.
It is when your couch is more likely to murder you than a terrorist. You're falling into the same authoritarian mindset that you have to surrender your Constitutional rights because it means somewhere, sometime, some pedophile might get away with it if law enforcement can't search his computer with a warrant.
Stop doing that. And that's putting the fact that the worst purveyor of violence and terrorism in recent worldwide history is the United States aside entirely.
Why so willfully obtuse? We've known for years now that the U.S. "intelligence community" wants to grab every piece of information it can, from every person on the planet that it can. Hell, the NSA even tells you on their own fucking website that they want to "collect all available information from all available sources all the time, every time, always". Now, you think for one second that the CIA, which is in the business of lying to Congress and overthrowing Democracies, isn't spying on American citizens???
Uh huh. And how would have Snowden upheld his oath of office - to protect and defend the Constitution - without doing what he did? The "proper channels" are designed to shut down the exposition of government lawbreaking, not expose it.
Which is bullshit and horseshit, respectively. If Russia had invaded Ukraine - after a U.S. sponsored coup of the elected government - you'd have more than pictures posted on Facebook and Twitter to back up those assertions. And Ukraine, years after the U.S. sponsored coup, still isn't a part of NATO, so you're 0 for 2.
You were doing fine with the prebutting of criticism until you got to echoing the ratfucking of Assange. No one is going to choose near-solitary confinement for years on end for shits and giggles and "attention". If the rape allegations weren't a mere pretext for Sweden to hand him over to U.S. custody, why haven't Swedish officials interviewed him remotely or in the embassy, as he has offered to do. Why hasn't the Swedish government promised not to extradite Assange if he voluntarily returns to Sweden - as he has also offered to do.
Because there is only one possible answer to that - the allegations are a mere pretext to hand him over to U.S. custody, or at least be extensively interrogated by U.S. authorities in Sweden. It's happened before. The country may be known for its socialisticy health care and education system, but it's positively medieval its criminal justice system, allowing suspects to be held and interrogated with no lawyers or outside contact for extended periods of time.
All of this was known years ago, so what gives?