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New Bill Would Allow Employers To Demand Genetic Testing From Workers (businessinsider.com)
capedgirardeau quotes a report from Business Insider: A little-noticed bill moving through the U.S. Congress would allow companies to require employees to undergo genetic testing or risk paying a penalty of thousands of dollars, and would let employers see that genetic and other health information. Giving employers such power is now prohibited by U.S. law, including the 2008 genetic privacy and nondiscrimination law known as GINA. The new bill gets around that landmark law by stating explicitly that GINA and other protections do not apply when genetic tests are part of a "workplace wellness" program. The bill, HR 1313, was approved by a House committee on Wednesday, with all 22 Republicans supporting it and all 17 Democrats opposed. The 2008 genetic law prohibits a group health plan -- the kind employers have -- from asking, let alone requiring, someone to undergo a genetic test. It also prohibits that specifically for "underwriting purposes," which is where wellness programs come in. "Underwriting purposes" includes basing insurance deductibles, rebates, rewards, or other financial incentives on completing a health risk assessment or health screenings. In addition, any genetic information can be provided to the employer only in a de-identified, aggregated form, rather than in a way that reveals which individual has which genetic profile. There is a big exception, however: As long as employers make providing genetic information "voluntary," they can ask employees for it. Under the House bill, none of the protections for health and genetic information provided by GINA or the disabilities law would apply to workplace wellness programs as long as they complied with the ACA's very limited requirements for the programs. As a result, employers could demand that employees undergo genetic testing and health screenings.
than anything else.
Freedom.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I guess NASA was right after all.
The easy way to avoid this is obvious. Don't join the "workplace wellness" program. It's already not health insurance, so it's not anything that is regulated well enough to make it useful to you, the employee. Fuck it.
So eventually employers will be able to clone their favorite employees and yes men/women.
How much are they going to pay me for it?
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My mom doesn't need a bill for that. She is a grown woman and what she decides to do in the privacy of her home with one or more willing partners is neither my business, nor the governments.
The emails were a felony only in your imagination. If the Republicans keep pulling shit like this they will become even more irrelevant in reality than you imagine the other party is.
"Remember, there never were pineapple-almond cookies here."
So to recap, this gives employers your DNA analysis and FCC the removal of the privacy rule, means ISPs can sell your browser history, simply by putting a clause in their EULA, which lets them sell it for marketing, and even to your employer.
And the health insurance for employers becomes optional, but there will be a raise in premiums if its not paid of 30%. i.e. employer will not pay the health insurance, and you'll pay 30% more for your own health insurance as a result.
Your employer owns your ass.
But hey, Putin voted for this President, so you suck it up snowflake Amerikan.
Perhaps if you truly dislike things like this bill
So, you think employers should be able to perform genetic testing on their employees? This is the party of "individual liberty?"
What a joke.
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The current state of the law:
Employees who refuse to participate in an employer wellness program can be charged up to 50% more for employer-provided health insurance.
If genetic testing is part of the wellness program then employees have to voluntarily authorize the genetic test. If an employee participates in the wellness program but declines included genetic testing then they can't be penalized with the higher insurance premiums.
The new state of the law, if this bill passes:
Employees who refuse genetic testing that is part of a wellness program can be considered non-participants in the wellness program and be charged the higher insurance premiums.
The comment in the summary that the new bill would "...let employers see that genetic and other health information." is the current state of the law as it relates to wellness programs (Work wellness programs put employee privacy at risk). There is nothing in the new bill that suddenly decreases patient/employee privacy.
"Mandatory" wellness programs, themselves, were controversial and lacked privacy protections when the Democrats insisted everyone participate. They're no less controversial today as the Republicans expand those wellness programs with additional components.
So we will soon have Gattaca? https://www.themoviedb.org/mov...
SuperKendall you sold out your country to Putin, you are a traitor, with every partisan lie you tell. I can see your Slash history, one lie after the next after the next.
The emails were a felony only in your imagination. If the Republicans keep pulling shit like this they will become even more irrelevant in reality than you imagine the other party is.
More irrelevant? Oh you mean having both houses, the presidency and almost 2/3rds of the governorships is irrelevant? Idiots like you are why the democratic party is dead. You live in fucking la la land. If you had an honest bone in your body we wouldn't be stuck with a one party system but no, you have to be a lying partisan pile of shit and ruin a once great republic with your severe lack of integrity.
Rank your job interviews by merit as always.
But what to do with all the failed average applicants who still demand full employment?
The genetic test result can then sort all applicants who have no skill but still have to be considered.
Finally a way to not have to consider a lot of applicants for a reason other than saying they are lack skills and further education at a top university has not helped.
A work force thats smart and healthy can be hired without the need to explain why all average applicants never got hired.
Their health results are private and all the smart, healthy applicants got to the interview.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Thank you to all those that voted republican, more power to corporations less to individuals.
"In addition, any genetic information can be provided to the employer only in a de-identified, aggregated form, rather than in a way that reveals which individual has which genetic profile"
If you have been awake during any moments of the last 20 years, then you know that the likelyhood of this being violated is as certain as the Sun rising tomorrow.
Even without violating this, I can think of five ways to circumvent it.
Republicans might not have done much planning on the replacement of Obamacare over the last seven years, but they certainly didn't waste much time after the election before getting this in for their Sans-a-Belt buddies. Hard to say which party is worse, really.
I hear copies of Orwell's "1984" are flying off the shelves lately, too.
As it is you choose to continue for a violent felon in support of a dying party that grows more and more distant from prospects of mattering at all.
Not only are you still butthurt over losing the popular vote, you still believe the Clinton Death List is real.
The delusional water-carriers for the alt-right are really going to suffer when six states find their gerrymandering overturned.
...on their clothes. Pardon me if that was meat to be the joke.
Of course it does. It's a great bedtime story.
Wages haven't kept up with the increase in the money supply that took place in 2010~. Minimum wage should be $50/hour, salaries should respectively go up 5x-6x.
Republicans have the presidency? You're the one living in fucking la-la land. You think that Trump gives one shit about that party - they're too busy tripping over themselves giving him everything he wants to notice that eventually he'll consider them redundant losers too.
corporate HR + insurance adjusters = the REAL death panels
(albeit indirectly)
...down the road...if this passes...
The eye gouging program is entirely voluntary.
Employees can qualify for not having premiums doubled by simply removing an eye. It's not our fault, but our fiduciary responsibility to maximize shareholder value. And you'll still be able to see if you were responsible and maintained two healthy eyes prior to the program. It won't reduce our healthcare costs if you join the program, but it will reduce our payroll costs if you fail to qualify for the discount.
Rest assured that you can't be penalized under current law if the eyeball you submit for testing is defective in any way, but should the legal landscape change we may be forced to re-evaluate the policy.
Have a nice day
Nullius in verba
Wellness program incentives / penalties suck and should be illegal.
I do not participate in the wellness program offered at my workplace and as a result I lose out on a 23% premium reduction. I'm not going to jump through silly wellness program hoops and am certainly not going to submit to physical or genetic testing.
slavery is introduced again....
When will this shit finally end?
The emails were a felony only in your imagination
No, the emails would be a felony for anyone else but Hillary Clinton. For anyone whose politically connected (at the time), presumed-about-to-be-back-in-the-White-House husband didn't have a friendly, spontaneous visit with the country's chief law enforcement officer on her private plane while his wife was the subject of a federal criminal investigation by her. If anyone else with the Secretary of State's level of access to sensitive material acted in as cavalier a way and then deliberately, knowingly, and repeatedly lied about essentially every aspect of their conduct, as Clinton did - they'd lose their job, any prospect for future federal employment, and quite possibly their liberty. You know this, but you're pretending you don't so you can cling to the myth that Clinton was just ... what, misunderstood? As she and Bill made personal millions as they sold political access to foreign dictators for cold cash? Yeah, keep wishing she had the power she craved.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Keep voting GOP candidates in...
Sooner or later, give them enugh rope and they'll kill off their voters.
I can't wait to see republicans who lose their job due to "private" genetic testing who then vote republican's because they don't have jobs.
And the democrats are not nearly as bad. They are not as good as they could be but they are not even in the same league as the Republicans when it comes to being willing to let people just flat out suffer and die.
For god's sake, make abortion illegal so the republican golem will dissolve and we can stop destroying the country over the issue.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
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I was wondering about this so I googled it. Dems opposed mandatory wellness back in 2013. tranquilidad is full of it. Got modded up to +5 even.
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Oh, you are still upset that Oliver North spilled the beans, and not only did Reagan induce the Iranians to keep Americans hostage, he handed out armaments and funded drug trafficking.
But it's OK, because he had a cup of coffee.
So they're a felony for Pence then, is what you're saying.
And it's a much worse felony, presumeably, that President Trump communicates about governance related issues using his unsecured Android phone.
Hypocrisy of the highest order.
The whole email affair was a mountain made out of a mole hill to scam gullible people into voting for someone who wants f*cking corporations to have the right to demand genetic testing of employees if it will notch up their profit one notch.
F*ck people are stupid. Is there another planet with intelligent life?
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
The biggest problem with the US health insurance is the way it's tied to employment: it means that people end up in weird employment-based risk pools, that they lose health care when they lose their jobs, and that people don't get the same kind of tax breaks when insured on their own.
There are plenty of the proverbially "advanced nations" that have private health care instead of "single payer"; however, they usually have private health plans that aren't tied to employers. That's what Congress should fix, first by giving individuals the same kind of tax breaks as employers for health plans, and then by gradually phasing out employer-based health plans altogether.
8 years ago, the Democrats held the Presidency, both Houses and 57% of governorships. Yet here we are.
If you're looking for "lying, partisan piles of shit", give Ted Cruz & Paul Ryan (among others) a call and ask them what Cheeto-flavored jizz tasted like
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
Perhaps if you truly dislike things like this bill
So, you think employers should be able to perform genetic testing on their employees? This is the party of "individual liberty?"
What a joke.
Individual liberty and smaller government. So they keep saying
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
Fine, but at least my chosen party didn't just VOTE TO LET YOUR EMPLOYER FORCE YOU TO TAKE A GENETIC TEST SO YOU CAN BE DISCRIMINATED BASED ON THE GENES THAT MAKE YOU YOU.
I mean, fucking Christ man.
And yes, slashdot. I know it's like yelling. That's because I'm yelling here. It'd be nice if we weren't still stuck with the same terrible filters Rob wrote two decades ago, but I guess we're not.
Ahh, blaming an enemy for his opponent's practices. If only the French were strong enough to defeat the Nazis, then we'd never have had world war II, so therefore France should pay for all of Germany's reparations. And then opposing a nutbag of conspiracy theories makes one partisan, which somehow ruins a republic, so you need to be partisan for my side so we're not partisan and lacking in integrity and somehow all of the problems in today's society will fix themselves without my dedicating an iota of thought.I love the acrobatic logic, truly.
Now, hmm. A moron of a president who doesn't know the first thing about politics, a chamber with a brand of conservatives dedicated to opposing the moderates in their own party, widespread differences in view with no interest in attempting any sort of reconciliation, occupying a number of incredibly unpopular views while making promises they know they can't keep, having lost the culture war 20 years ago and losing more each day, having virtually no sway with all of the increasing voter demographics, and being hopelessly out of touch with their own voters on topics such as healthcare, and uh, yeah. I am hugely afraid of all the stupid and damaging legislation that could be passed in the next 4 years. I am not at all worried they'll stay in power after that at the rate they're going, and if they keep shooting themselves in the foot by making policies that hurt their own voters the most, that might not even take four years.
The bigger question I have for you is, what about them makes you want to support them?
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
This "we own you" crap - wasn't there a civil war over managers with that sort of attitude?
Hillary deliberately set up a private email server to evade FOIA demands, which would have exposed her soliciting bribes and other felonies.
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Let me put this in ways you can understand. Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!
You fucking Nazi.
The start of genetic discrimination, super.
Nazi Germany started this way, and we all know what happened a few year later.
"Under House rules, the Speaker schedules floor votes on pending legislation. The Hastert Rule says that the Speaker will not schedule a floor vote on any bill that does not have majority support within his or her party — EVEN IF THE MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE would vote to pass it"
So the speaker subverts the majority of the votes using his position to prevent votes on bills not supported by his party.
And now we have a President that Americans didn't vote for, they voted by clear majority for the other one.
Robert Mercer you suck as human being.
IMHO "employer-provided health care" should be a voucher up to a certain amount that the employer gives you to spend on any health insurance of your choice. That way it remains a purely financial transaction between you and the employer, while all personal health information remains between you and your insurer. Then there's no excuse for any health information being leaked to your employer. No entrapment that comes about when your employer is the source of your health insurance. If you lose or change your job, you can keep the health insurance - paid out of pocket or with vouchers from your new employer.
I was manager of a small business when we instituted employer-provided health care. The operating premise is that by combining your employees into an insurance pool, it stabilizes both the premiums paid into the pool (one person could quit their job, but it's highly unlikely all your employees will quit their jobs at the same time), as well as the payouts due to employees getting sick (one person can get sick, but it's highly unlikely all your employees will get sick at the same time). But a pool is a pool. Unless your employees are uncharacteristically healthy or unhealthy, there's no statistical difference between a pool of employees, and a pool of random people who bought their own health insurance (out of pocket or using vouchers from their employer).
So why isn't she being charged now that she's political roadkill?
No answer?
Maybe it wasn't just the political connections then but it just being something that was too trivial to go after for Rice, Powell and so many others before and including Clinton.
8 years ago, the Democrats held the Presidency, both Houses and 57% of governorships. Yet here we are.
This is part of the normal political pendulum. People become disillusioned with whatever party is in power because problems aren't being solved. So they vote the other guys in, and then slowly realize that the other party doesn't have any solutions either.
I don't know about the above poster but I'm still fuming that the traitor who gave weapons to Hezbolla as well as Iran is not only outside jail but also running the fucking NRA. We all should be upset IMHO. Even if Reagan was behind it "just following orders" is no excuse for giving anti-tank weapons to a bunch that had killed over a hundred US Marines less than a year before.
It's sort of true if they are pushing for an absolute monarchy - one individual with all the liberty.
The emails weren't felonies, and only fucked in the head idiots continue to say they were. Why are you so divorced from reality that you believe the partisan bullshit coming from your reps mouths? Or is it you're just a complete fucking moron? You fucking conservative shitstains elected someone who has no ethics at all, who is most likely in the pocket of a few ruskies who gave him money because he's an inept businessman and has declared bankruptcy what... 4 or 5 times now? You, and people like you, are absolute traitors to this country. You are a cult of stupidity, hate, and anti-christian values.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
Still a fucking moron i see. Seriously, do your lips ever leave Rush Limbaugh's asshole? You are a complete fucking idiot that can't understand anything that takes more than 10 seconds to explain. You fucking inbred piece of shit conservatives went on an 8 year campaign to destroy Clinton's prospects of being president, so you could remain in power... because that is the ONLY thing you give a fuck about.. power. You don't care about the tens of thousands of people that would die each year without insurance, you don't give a fuck about exploding the deficit, you don't give a fuck about this country... just your worthless little self centered childish bitch selves.
Hope that wasn't to PC for you, cause, you know, i just like telling it like it is. The greatest enemy this country has is conservative shitstains like you.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
Even with THEDONALD to bitchslap the acquisitive class into line, the more Randish vipers need harsher encouragement. Bad seeds do bad deeds . An historian thusly might allow a few hundred gulag-ing transits ... decade-wise ... or delta-fn terminations such as a well-maintained medieval kingdom would accept. This ansatz-of-the-yeomanry is not the practice round fans & fannies: you need to rip-wealth-a-new-azzwhole before they rip yours --- same with parasite nibberizing progressives, but that's another essay.
So how does/will this DNA testing work? You send in a cheek swab or something? If so, 'here kitty kitty....'
Failing that (a physical exam where DNA is extracted) is there some topical solution or additive one could pollute samples with that cuts DNA into tiny pieces, so as to make it useless for genomic testing?
Not that any of us should let this pass without a fight -- but if it does, jam the system and jam it hard. If everyone tests as a slime mold, maybe they'll get the point that we don't want to give up this type of info to our employers.
Lol. This is clearly a case of the pot calling the kettle a lying partisan pile of shit...
No, the emails would be a felony for anyone else but Hillary Clinton.
Yes.
So they're a felony for Pence then, is what you're saying.
Yes.
What is so fucking hard about both sides being in the goddamn wrong.
Dear republican voters,
How does it feel to be anal raped by Trump?
Was it everything you hoped for?
Oh bullshit, democracy rules. One man, one vote, and that man is Mr. President for Life, an ordinary man who will represent you in the small government.
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Irrelevant ?
3/4 of the state governments
The House
The Senate with possible super majority in the Senate by 2018
and the presidency
Somehow I don't think that word means what you think it does. BTW looking at those numbers you might want to acquaint yourself with Article V of the constitution so you don't look stupid when reality starts smacking you upside the head.
So, you response to someone who is telling the truth is to wish they were dead so you don't have to grapple with the fact your preferred politician is a corrupt liar? Which part was the lie ... the part where the entire Clinton apparatus stonewalled and foot-dragged on FOIA requests for years? The part where she and her husband raked in millions of dollars selling influence while she was in office? I know, it's painful if you were rooting for her, and you know that she was looking you in the eye and lying - over and over and over again - so you're trying to wish it away. But why the venom aimed at the people who simply point that out? What are you, 12?
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Taxes. Compensation in the form of health insurance is not reported as income for the individual and is a write off for the employer. Eliminate this policy in the tax code and all of these sorts of things will likely go away.
You are one of very few people who ever asked this question. Congratulations!
So they're a felony for Pence then, is what you're saying.
No. Because the two situations aren't even remotely comparable. Which you know.
President Trump communicates about governance related issues using his unsecured Android phone.
Citation based on something other than a whiny liberal fake news blog, please.
The whole email affair was a mountain made out of a mole hill
No, it was an example of one of the most senior people in the federal government deliberately conducting official business on a poorly secured internet-connected mail server she kept in her house. And then failing to turn over all of that data on the day she left office, as required by law. And deleting thousands of federal records while under subpoena, and then repeatedly lying about the entire process for months on end, as pointed out by the FBI director in specific terms. Any other federal employee would lose their job. Nobody conducting themselves in that way with classified material could EVER get or keep a security clearance. Nobody doing those things could secure a federal job in the first place, let alone in connection to more handling of sensitive information.
someone who wants f*cking corporations to have the right to demand genetic testing of employees
Really. Who would that be? Are you referring to people in the legislature, where that is being talked about but hasn't even faced reconciliation or voting of any kind? Or are you referring to the president, who has said exactly zero on the matter at all?
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
The purpose of this bill is to bypass the ACA's current protection mechanism against discrimination due to preexisting conditions. Currently, we know very little about what sections of our DNA actually does (with a few exceptions) and even less about how sections are activated. How we "know" what risk factors you have via DNA is strictly a statistical analysis and based on observation rather than investigations into a particular gene's function. So really, this just gives insurance companies a blank check to claim any bullshit they want to change people with preexisting conditions. The irony here is that your DNA is the very first condition for coming into existence!
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
So, what you're saying is that you have no understanding, whatsoever, about the things you're ranting about. You are so upset that your designated queen who you wanted to see back in power where she and her husband could continue to enrich themselves at the public trough ... lost the election because she called millions of women deplorable racists, and exhibited so much contempt for voters outside of her comfortable couple of large coastal zones that she couldn't even trouble herself to set FOOT in places that she was later shocked, SHOCKED! to find didn't vote for her. Yeah, that was all Republican scheming! The convinced her to run her official State business off an internet-facing server in her house, destroy tens of thousands of records while under subpoena, fail to produce documents - even years later - that she was obligated to hand over on the day she left office, and then lie repeatedly about ALL of that ... yes! It was the crafty Republicans that talked her into doing all of that with their special mind control rays. You should be safe from that, of course, with your special hat on.
... inbred, shitstains, etc., while actively ignoring the fact that you supported a corrupt, serial liar who did things like deploy people paid with your tax dollars to go out and smear the reputations of the women her predatory husband abused... never mind. You know all of that. Your childish ad homimem is a perfect measure of how much you know it - because that's all you've got. Otherwise, you'd have to address the substance of the matters, and anything you'd say in that area would be too funny, and you know it. So, keep it up! Especially through 2018's elections. Thanks! It really helps.
Please, though. Carry on. Do as much ranting like this as you possibly can for the next year and a half, so the Democrats can lose even more of their dwindling minority of seats in the legislature. Thanks for your hard work to that end. Your entire bearing on the matter is exactly why liberals lost a thousand legislative seats under Obama, most of the governorships, both houses of congress, the White House, and the Supreme Court. Hillary Clinton lost because she was blindly wishing all of that away, and then demanding that people she falsely called irredeemable racists and homophobes vote for her anyway, because of her genitals. You need to get over your complete lack of understanding about what happened - not just in November, but for the last eight years. Hilarious that you talk about things like "exploding deficits" (as Obama added more debt to your tab than every other president in history COMBINED).
Your juvenile need to call people
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Design your kids for traveling to Mars.
Anyone doing something this callous needs to be gone and stay gone.
None of that "we won't vote for you next time" empty threat crap either. The only way anyone is going to learn that there are limits to immorality is by seeing their 22 predecessors on pikes on the way in to the committee.
Hillary lost. Get over it!
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,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_misconduct_allegations, none were really proved. So while I find Clinton abhorrent, you can only say about what is really proved : the sexual harassment lawsuit and the admitted sex with the 2 women. As such the GP is correct.
Furthermore while there was allegation
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Yes there is another planet w/ intelligent life, But please tell me where the first one is at......
Not everybody is as rational as you. If you bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker then you're emotionally invested and the current government can do nothing wrong.
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To be fair (to the US, not Hillary), Hillary did effectively lose her job and prospects of future employment over the email scandal and the dirt she was hiding in general. Hillary Clinton will never be president of the United States.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Small government Republicans exist, here and there, but are hardly the establishment. Trump seems intent on reducing the scope of government though. Actions need to follow words, but he might actually make some government departments smaller for once. Wouldn't that be shocking.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
which would have exposed her soliciting bribes and other felonies.
In other words, if the facts don't say what you want, you'll make shit up to justify your views. That never happened, there's no proof or even circumstantial evidence. You made your decisions and are note justifying them post hoc.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
You're not worried that they'll stay in power?
Despite everything they're doing, and you're not worried?
I'm terrified at *how* they'll be keeping themselves in power.
What a pity that they deleted the evidence before the hackers got hold of the REST of the emails.
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What are you, some dickhead too stupid to realise your favorite Breitbart BS is a complete lie?
YOU are what is wrong with the USA.
And BTW, Clinton is irrelavent. She lost. Your shitlord of a President however is very relavent and has done far worse.
Never attribute to incompetence that which can easily be explained by malice.
The reason they are put together is specifically to threaten employees more effectively, ensuring they will accept far worse conditions than if they had a medical safety-net without the employer. There is nothing benign here; the entire concept of this connection stems from the same mindset that had us smashing the ankles off our slaves if they dared to try and run.
The operating premise is that by having your health insurance - and thus potentially the health or even lives of yourself and your immediate family - dependent on your current employment (this is aided by the 'pre-existing conditions' problem should you switch), your employer can quite literally - but indirectly so as to avoid any retaliation or legal ramifications of making such a threat - make threats of serious harm or death should he wish or feel the need to do so.
This helps keep costs down - not in the insurance pool itself, but in the overhead formed by wages, safety equipment and employee benefits. After all; if someone's child needs medical treatment, you've got them by the balls.
No proof he uses an unsecured android for classified information.
I don't like Trump either but no need to lie about things because we hate him.
You Won.
Seems more like a way of having a DNA database of a large part of the population than anything else.
Then we are the employers of Congress, and we will then have a right to their genetic information? *Drops mic*
"F*ck people are stupid. Is there another planet with intelligent life?" Yes, but they are not accepting applications at this time.
you are a fucking retarded cunt
No, they don't run the NRA. Weirdo.
Only in America, where children are the property of schools and employees are the property of their employers.
F*ck people are stupid. Is there another planet with intelligent life?
Wow! You mean that you know a planet with intelligent life?
Would you mind sharing with us its location?
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
But those emails, man
You must immediately hand over all your genetic material or pay a fine of thousands of dollars payable in cash before you leave the building!
Why do you say SJWs aren't a thing? They're in the news every day. Here is a recent example from the UK: http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/21/.... Mr Hero of the Left even said this pretty patronising thing too:
No one but him (a white guy) was offended but the major UK retailer caved just in case a shitstorm ensued. For a t-shirt that had an image that was merely a quote from a TV show that no one was offended by either. If you don't think that's ludicrous then please explain.
America is simply a foul, backwards, barbaric country. It's a slave society worse than anything seen in history (with the possible exception of North Korea)
And the morons who live in it think they stand for Freedom.
Fuck the USA.
Because Primark are a business who sell thousands of t-shirt designs. They don't give a shit about this particular one, so they don't give a shit about dropping it when some idiot whines.
You describe it as "caving" whereas they just don't care. Now if they had this happen all the time they might, but this was news because of the very fact that it was unusual.
Hi! It's me, your best buddy from high school. I would like to get in touch and pay you a visit. You still live with your mom, right?
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
"F*ck people are stupid. Is there another planet with intelligent life?"
If there is, thankfully for them we're too far away to infect them with our stupid.
In any normal country the insurance industry would be fighting this. Insurance is insuring against risk. Without risk there is no insurance. If an insurance company knows 100% that you will die or cost them something then they won't offer you insurance but if they do offer you insurance then you would be a fool to take it since you aren't going to need it.
This reveals precisely why US businesses run a pension scheme and health insurance for you, the employees: They commit fake socialism so they can keep your hard-earned wages inside their greedy hands. Quit and they can keep your money. Or better, they can sell/dissolve the business and the owners/creditors can legally rob you of your wages: They get free money and you get a boot out the door. (If you don't get booted, it would be stupid to work for the guy that just mugged you.)
Citation based on something other than a whiny liberal fake news blog, please.
Definition of "fake news" other than "something I don't agree with" please.
In sane countries, the option of not taking employer provided health care is still reasonable.
Therefore it is considered a benefit - in the same way you may not get to choose an employer provided car (or have limited scope) - you can still buy a different car for a reasonable amount.
If you're building on top of a broken system, don't expect the results to be good or fair.
The only reason for a DNA test is them paying for a pre-emptive cure of my genetic defects. That's what "wellness" means, right?
When one is punished, via the loss of wages, for going to work, it is not voluntary. Or maybe employees can leave work 2 hours early every day, until the boss provides a DNA test: It is voluntary, after all.
Translation: Getting rid of the 'every employee gets healthcare' policy and returning to the 'insurance lasts until you get sick' policy. If they have to cure me, it doesn't matter what's in my DNA.
Even if it got as far as passage, it would never survive in courts. First of all, it allows discrimination in compensation based on race. The court arguments will pretty much stop at that. But it also allows discrimination based on yet-to-be-proven-to-be-genetically-caused disabilities. That's going to be enough to get it laughed out of the courts rather than just thrown out.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
To be glad to be Canadian. My health care is "free" and a bill that would potentially discriminate against you through genetic testing just because you "might" be pre-disposed to have certain illness compared to others, would never pass here.
After George Bush the Republicans were almost irrelevant for a very long time. Had it not been for Trump they wouldn't be in there now. If they do pull this stunt off they will be Irrelevant for a lot longer. We need a day without Healthcare in this country. Or a year to starve them bastards out so we can get decent Healthcare back in this country again.
This is your brain on drugs!
Above poster, you'll scare yourself when you come down from whatever you are on and read what you have written. "Democrats are responsible for Trump being in the White House"? OMFG that's funny.
Maybe, but 99% of the time "small government" is code for "no regulators to watch me when my company breaks the law".
In some nations these vouchers are provided in a green, folding format (color may vary), and to avoid people spending it all on alcohol you are required to buy insurance.
No, they don't run the NRA. Weirdo.
The weird thing is this traitor is running the NRA (http://nraontherecord.org/oliver-north/).
More irrelevant? Oh you mean having both houses, the presidency and almost 2/3rds of the governorships is irrelevant?
What does it mean to be a republican? Is it simply a label, or does it represent any ideals?
The republican party is unquestionably ideological weak, at the top its an immuno-compromised host that that's been colonized by a parasite. When kellyane conway said that CPAC should be renamed T-PAC it wasn't a joke. Conservatism is out, Trumpism is in.
there's no statistical difference between a pool of employees, and a pool of random people who bought their own health insurance
Not really true. A pool of random people (prior to ACA) don't all buy insurance - and the reasons they don't have a lot to do with how high premiums are for those that do.
The amount of rationalization required to vote for Trump was so large that ordinary disillusionment won't be enough. People aren't just emotionally invested, they had to compromise their ideals regarding decency (the frequently quoted line about voting for a president, not a husband being one example). So now changing their minds about Trump will require re-evaluating their own personal decency and nobody, absolutely nobody wants to believe they are a bad person.
Unless the democrats can come up with a way for Trump voters to save face in the process of disavowing him, they are just going to double-down on their support for him and his shitty policies. And it isn't like most democrats are willing to let them off the hook either because it goes against human nature to forgive people who won't take personal responsibility for their actions.
So, its going to take a spectacular failure for the status quo to change. Its either that or enough years pass that people's memories of 2016 get so hazy that they can't so easily remember all the immorality they had to pretend didn't matter when they voted for him. In that sense, constantly reminding people of what a douchebag he is might even be counter-productive.
the part where the entire Clinton apparatus stonewalled and foot-dragged on FOIA requests for years?
Yes, that is a lie. They responded to the State Department's request for the email even before the FOIA requests were filed.
the part where she and her husband raked in millions of dollars selling influence while she was in office?
Yes, that is a lie. Soliciting donations to a top-rated charity isn't "raking in millions" and no influence was sold, the worst example of so-called "influence" was that she took a meeting with a nobel prize winner who had also donated to the charity. As if that wouldn't have happened anyway.
But why the venom aimed at the people who simply point that out?
That's hilarious coming from you, someone who is constantly posting spittle-spraying screeds like this one.
> suffer when six states find their gerrymandering overturned.
I would enjoy seeing that
please mod this up.
The widespread occurrence of employer provided health insurance in the USA is a historical artifact of WWII when the government restricted the freedom of companies to raise salaries to attract workers. Instead, many companies began to offer health insurance as a perq of employment and the system stuck, and even worse, became tax deductible for the company (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114045132). The one useful thing which (the few remaining) rational Republicans (and many economists) have proposed for health insurance lately is to break the link between health insurance and employment.
Oh yeh, he drank the Breitbart info wars cool aid and lost his mind years ago, theres a few of them ;)
Scent Cunt
Arch asshole Michael,
Okian Worrier
Superkunt.
A conga line of deluded useles dribbling idiots, the usual climate change denying gun nut types.
Posting anon due mods
They are not the bottom of the dung heap though, that is where APK resides.
...I'll be doing some genital testing on Gina...
"employers could demand that employees undergo genetic testing and health screenings"
:) ) thinking at companies that they are doing their employees some big favor by using their talents, capabilities and time. It's not so. It's an agreement, that until we think our treatment and our compensation is worth lending our resources. Should it become not so, then bummer, this is still a fairly big world with lots of employers in it.
And I could demand that the employer go fsck themselves sideways. There's this still lingering and weird and unhealthy (speaking of
Maybe this sounds a bit idealistic, but acting like a powerless workforce victim will actually get you closer to becoming one.
I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
The bill, HR 1313, was approved by a House committee on Wednesday, with all 22 Republicans supporting it and all 17 Democrats opposed.
But remember, folks: both sides are bad and all truly intelligent people choose not to vote.
Don't worry, the Democrats want to control your every move, but the freedom loving Republicans will make certain y this will make...... Hey! That brown person over there is a-tryin' to take yer guns away - Get 'im And Besides, abortion, and the death tax.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Way back in the 1980s when companies complained of insurance rates for their workers the sales agents would casually mention that if a few of the older workers were laid off the insurance rates would go way down. Companies could create excuses for laying off or firing older workers and frequently did so. You can bet that with genetic testing any individuals will be laid off or prevented from advancement so that they are frustrated and quit their jobs. Companies need to be prohibited from gaining any knowledge of a worker's DNA.
So, you're unable to provide a citation to back up the assertion. Gotcha! Thanks.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Start with decoupling health care from employment. Then we'll talk.
Who ever came up with this idea should be deported. Preferably off planet.
The Canadian Parliament has just passed a bill making this sort of thing illegal.
http://www.hilltimes.com/2017/...
It is a little late, but health care is a provincial matter and there was a reluctance to tread on the provincial toes. Since the provinces have done nothing about privacy of genetic testing, the federal parliamentarians felt it necessary to do something at the national level.
(I apologize for the lack of acceptable formatting.)
So, you're using the Standard Liberal Response to anyone who points out that their political champion is a corrupt liar who got away with things that would have landed any of her federal underlings in jail. One can always tell that's the truth with the best counter-point a Democrat can come up with is a foul-mouthed little tantrum that shows contempt for women and people with developmental problems. As usual, it's the liberals who actually do have the real, active hatred for other people that they pretend to accuse others of having. Thanks for demonstrating that once again - well done!
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
That requires an assumption that they had ideals regarding decency which required compromise. More likely, their ideals of decency fit right in with taking healthcare away from sick people, raising the prices at big-box stores, bombing / invading anyone handy, telling women what they may and may not do with their own bodies, controlling who uses what bathroom because (cough) "decency", interfering with personal liberties, pushing their particular brand of superstition on everyone else... and so forth.
"Ideal" is not a synonym for "good." It just means circumstances that are optimally congruent with the views of the idealist. That can be very bad indeed.
For example:
o "Ideally, we'd kill all the Muslims"
o "Ideally, women would be at home, either barefoot and pregnant, or virgin"
o "Ideally everyone would believe in the bible"
o "Ideally, there would be prayer in schools"
...those are ideals. Those are ideals that led people to vote for Trump and a large number of people in congress. The people that hold those ideals won't need to compromise them at all in order to maintain their current outlook.
TL;DR: One person's ideals of decency are not any kind of guarantee that the next person's will be even remotely similar.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Why do you say SJWs aren't a thing?
Because they're not. It's become a catch-phrase dogwhistle used to shout down arguments. Like: You said Y which makes you an SJW. You're an SJW, and SJWs do X therefore you believe X. And various other things. It's used as nothing else other than a random grab-bag mishmash of "shit I hate on the internet".
AmiMojo's sig qouting an AC has it nailed: someone I don't like and by the way I'm a fuckwit.
Please supply another definition if you disagree, but I've yet to see a remotely meaningful definition that fits the rather broad and perverse set of things SJWs have been accused of doing.
No one but him (a white guy) was offended but the major UK retailer caved just in case a shitstorm ensued.
Companies care desperately about PR. Welcome to the vaguely modern world.
No one but him
If you want to cherry pick the craziest crazy you can find, go ahead, I'm sure I can find equally crazy people (or more so). That doesn't really prove anything.
was offended
Speculation. As far as you know, no one but him complained, but you're speculating on people's internal mental state. Given that there wasn't a huge outcry, it's reasonable to assume that not _many_ people were offended. I've no idea how many people even saw it. I'm a regular Metro reader and I hadn't seen that article until you posted the link.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
https://public.health.oregon.gov/DiseasesConditions/GeneticConditions/Pages/research.aspx
No. Because the two situations aren't even remotely comparable.
Wait. Why not? Because 20 talk radio hosts and 100 alt right web sites loudly insist that they're not? Not good enough.
Here, do some research next time:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/trump-reportedly-still-uses-unsecured-android-phone.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/politics/president-trump-white-house.html?referer=&_r=0
You need to get over your complete lack of understanding about what happened - not just in November, but for the last eight years.
LOL, the irony of this, from somebody who forgets who passes the budget and actually authorizes spending, who forgets that courts have found partisan gerrymandering in 6 states by Republicans(the same party that also opposed the people of Arizona from having control over their legislature), who forgets which party has lost the popular vote for President for 12 years running, with another loss the 12 years prior, who forgets what a corrupt, serial liar is now sitting in the Oval office, and all of the unqualified buffoons that are now in the Cabinet due to that serial liar. The one who had to settle a fraud case after taking office for literally millions he stole in a fake educational scheme.
You know, there's a reason why Trump lost the popular vote but blamed it on illegal voters in a stunning display of false attribution, why the GOP can't deliver the healthcare reform they promised(let alone what he promiseD), despite having 8 years to come up with a plan, why Trump's allies and supporters are straight from the sewers of the alt-right, and why Trump has to take credit for things which he has no actual responsibility for doing, like reductions in contract costs, minor changes in the national debt, and job reports (which he had spent much time discrediting, but now, now, with no changes whatsoever, he suddenly claims credit for them??), why he made up lies about being wiretapped, claimed that Sweden had suffered a terrorist attack, bemoaned the media for its daring to criticize him, and falsely claimed a landslide in the electoral college.
Suck it dude, you got the worst of all outcomes. Not only did you nominate a moron for office, you sneaked him in due to the flawed system of the electoral college, and now he's smashing things like the elephant in the China Shop.
Oh yeah, he went reckless on that China thing, then backed out.
Hey, but don't worry, he can be removed, just like that President of Corruption in South Korea, or your previous fraudster in office, El Mucho Nixon.
Remember him? He was at least sane. Trump is senile, delusional, and congenitally dishonest. You don't even have a senile fraud who can remember his lines like Reagan.
You? You just have a guy who ranted about a useless wall that Mexico would pay for (they won't), a totally illegal Muslim Ban (totally against the Constitution), a totally false claim of escalating crime reaching epic proportions, and yet it turns out Mexico is refusing to even talk to Trump, the Courts won't let his order continue (oh noes!), and even the FBI won't get behind his false claims about crimes and riots. It's almost like they're too professional to be caught up in his bullshit.
Not to mention the CIA. It's pretty bad when a Republican has to criticize the CIA as the enemy of the people. The NAACP is bad enough, but the CIA? What does that say about you?
Hey, at least the Russians like you. As patsies.
illegal in canada
> People become disillusioned with whatever party is in power because problems aren't being solved.
Disillusioned is one thing, going for DNA screening which will lead to obvious Gattaca developments is entirely another thing.
Laws are not meaningful by themselves, they represent the moral principles on which they are based.
Or lack thereof...
so youre still a fucking moron?
big surprise there.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
If the reps work for the people, then we can ask for their genetic information. So let us mount a campaign to do so.
Dear Representative __________,
In the spirit of HR-1313 and it being the case that you are paid by the people you represent, this is a request that you release your genetic data into the public domain.
Regards,
Your Constituent
District ###
no, hes using hte standard response for when someone posts a bunch of made up bullshit as if it were facts.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
you were provided links already. his assessment of your definition is accurate.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
all youve done is describe yourself.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Dude,
Seriously, we have got to stop blatantly lying if we're going to get the presidency or house back. When we repeat shit that everyone in the military knows is a BLATANT LIE we lose credibility. We've lost it all. We've lost so badly that people voted for Trump. Seriously, cut that shit.
No... the "Standard Liberal Response" is 'YOUR A NAZI! RACIST! SEXIST!'. Ignoring all the racism in Hillary and the sexism in the Democrat Party that voted for a Man instead of Woman in 2008.
Both sides are absolutely beyond fucked. This is a pathetically thinly veiled attempt to legalize the harvesting of genetic data, no doubt in the name of profit. Both sides would *love* to establish a true and permanent servant class, they just have different ways of going about it. Disgusting. But don't stop voting, that is equally insane, lower level representatives are important, just understand that the office of the POTUS has never been on your side regardless of who has had control of it. Make your difference in the mid-terms!
You keep saying there's a difference between Clinton and Pence. I don't see the difference. Can you please spell it out for me because I'm a stupid lefty?
Why do you say SJWs aren't a thing?
Because they're not. It's become a catch-phrase dogwhistle used to shout down arguments. Like: You said Y which makes you an SJW. You're an SJW, and SJWs do X therefore you believe X. And various other things. It's used as nothing else other than a random grab-bag mishmash of "shit I hate on the internet".
I believe the term the right has started using is "virtue signaling". In that, using the term "SJW" they are "virtue signaling" to other right-wing-nuts that they are also a right-wing-nut. It's like a mating call.
Such is the problem with tribalism, you don't act against the tribe.
Can we start an anti-tribalism tribe?
Congressional members should also be subjected to genetic testing. If they flunk genetic testing they don't get re-elected. The taxpayers would be relieved of the onerous burden of supplying disability accommodations (including glasses and dentures) and increased healthcare for people who are prone to cardiovascular disease and diabetes. Those who don't get re-elected can then find occupations selling stuff at street fairs, since corporations also won't hire anyone with bad genes.
What this bill doesn't do is get rid of the people who are born with good genes but destroy their health through risky behavior.
Eugenics by any other name is still Eugenics.
Your 'acquittal' was a political act by the Congress, he lost the jury trials and was disbarred. Oh yes, he did cut a deal to do that 'voluntarily' in return for not appealing it, but that was a plea deal after he had already lost repeatedly in court.
Let's not forget that the sexual harassment included non-consensual acts, including things like greeting an underling at the hotel room door and propositioning her while naked.
The /. equivilent of "I know you are but what am I?" now becomes +5, Insightful?
Fucking dark days, indeed.
I see no evidence the American voters have gained the wisdom to avoid picking bad presidents.
I've seen his comments over the last couple of days. 12 is being generous, if one assumes he's taking his meds.
You probably know this already, but it is impossible to get those who were brainwashed with leftist political agenda their entire lives to see the truth, short of their own military's boot stepping on their necks.
Yuri Bezmenov correctly pointed this out over 30 years ago.
Uh huh... right.. and guess which party is the one who created this bill? Whatever nonsense your spouting, so far as far as actions go, only one party has been doing that. So please piss off with your both sides bullshit.
If you're talking about things like burning the Reichstag I doubt that will even be necessary.
Economy of effort: why break windows when bullshit will suffice?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
They got disillusioned because one party decided that they were going to put their party ahead of all interests and basically said no to everything like a bunch of petulant children. They wanted and hoping everything would burn so that they can get back into power. It was never about the American people. Right now, fringe Republican party politicians think all liberals are the enemies... or I should amend that all people who don't think like them. We are living in dangerous times and it doesnt matter where you are in the political spectrum. You simply have to think different to be considered liberal.
Yet, they voted this party back into power after 8 years of growing prosperity in a number of sectors. Despite the huge clusterfuck that happened at the end of the Bush presidency, the huge deficit, the wars... and the fact that a major terrorist attack happened on a Republican's watch. It seems that voters are extremely capricious about how to punish a party if they can come back within a couple of years. It seems that things should completely fall apart and those older voters who are still fighting the culture wars pass on to their heavenly awards before we are going to get anywhere.
Meanwhile Trump distracts the press with nonsense and everyone falls for that distraction.
Please do not read this sig. Thank you.
If your house is on fire, you get a bucket. You don't give the Joker an unlimited supply of napalm, some matches, and point him at your front door.
I get that they were so bewildered by right wing agitprop and the sabotage that Comey engaged in just before the vote that they ended up feeling that way. I also get that this was both a highly inaccurate representation of what was really going on, and that now, post-error, confirmation bias drives people to claim they were justified when it is patently obvious that they were not. Rational behavior is not generally the rule of the day when someone has committed a huge screwup, a fact Trump voters now must eventually face.
I have often discussed Clinton's shortcomings, which are many. As are those of the system she operates within in the usual manner of a bought-and-paid for politician. But compared to Trump who is both an idiot and a threat to the country's ultimate stability, she's a genius and a patriot. Voting for Trump "because Clinton" inevitably means you didn't understand one or the other of the two candidates, or possibly both. Some of that is because of crazytarded activity on the part of Drudge, Breitbart, Fox News and so forth. But some of it is because people were too lazy to do their own fact checking. And some, of course, because the Gaussian goes quite a distance to the left before "you can't vote" shows up as a differentiator.
Barring impeachment, which really isn't all that likely, we're in for a minimum of two years of continuing lies, idiotic behavior, and structural damage to the system that will reach into people lives and do very serious harm -- as it has already been doing.
Likely it'll get fixed, inasmuch as (a) Trump lost the actual vote, only gaining office because of the duty-abrogating machinations of the electoral college, which provides us with the incontrovertible fact that the majority of people were against him becoming president; and (b) at this point, no one is guessing if Trump is as big an idiot in real life office as the idiot he was playing on television. Now there is no doubt. So odds are excellent that there's going to be quite a backlash come 2018.
But it's still going to be a rough couple of years.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Yesterday a law for ISPs selling everything about everyone to anybody, now a law about DNA testing. With such an absolute lack of morals it would be only logical to see a law about companies selling your DNA to anyone.
I'm not even in the US and I know these are proposals, but I'm worried whether I'll start seeing this kind of shit being pushed in my country or supranational entity in the 2020s or so.
Now why my comment title? If we're going to live in a depraved dictatorship I would like it to be Soviet style. At least the symbols, army choirs and stuff are fun, and the billionaires who don't toe the party line would get executed. In fact expropriating billionaires from 99.95% of their assets would leave them immensely rich anyway, then we can threaten them and their family with execution and gulags. For the common people? mass surveillance, genetic discrimination, gulags, propaganda but also $200 a month, a bag of rice and some place to dwell in. That could be environmentally friendly. No more requiring $160K just to get by!
Now we have to work out who the Supreme Leader would be and how to unite the US/EU/NATO and eventually the rest of the world into a global dictatorship. If missile defenses really work out, we could initiate a nuclear war, intending to win it. What are the US/EU/NATO building them for anyway? Well, of course to line fat cats's pockets, and they likely won't ever be used for anything. But with missile defenses, kill bots, mass surveillance and such maybe some global Soviet Union can rise?
I agree and was just agreeing with you except in a republic there is no monarchy (think imperial Rome or the Democratic Republic of N. Korea) and it is still a democracy as long as there is one voter. The actual quote I was going for was from Discworld, "One man, one vote and I'm that man" or so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
People become disillusioned with whatever party is in power because problems aren't being solved. So they vote the other guys in,...
I totally understand not voting for Hillary or any of the other democrats. Vote third party, leave it blank, don't even bother to vote at all. Thanks to the electoral college, most Americans live in states where their vote just doesn't matter. Someone voting for Trump in California was throwing away their vote just as much as if they voted third party.
But I totally don't understand voting for Trump or any of the other Republicans. I mean, maybe it would make sense for a totally selfish rich old white man who didn't have much opposition to World War III to vote for Trump. But a poor person voting for Trump was like a Jewish person voting for Hitler.
...and then slowly realize that the other party doesn't have any solutions either.
It's overwhelmingly clear to anyone who's not off in a total fantasy land that coal mining just isn't coming back to Pennsylvania. That's not to say that people have to remain trapped in poverty. Very few people in countries like Denmark are trapped in poverty. So the problem isn't completely hopeless.
But Trump promised to bring coal mining back to Pennsylvania - essentially by building a wall with Mexico. How do Americans not recognize that for the utter bullshit that it is?
If you really don't think either of the major political parties have solutions then don't vote for either party. Move to Denmark, or New Zealand, or somewhere else where decent hardworking people are not trapped in poverty.
It's not even clear why Trump wants to be president. Why would a totally selfish billionaire with a super model wife and only a few more years left of good health waste their time on being president. Does he enjoy enjoy spending long hours trying to understand the intricacies of government healthcare regulation? For someone who was not totally selfish, I could understand becoming president in order to make other people happy. But it's crazy to expect that being president is going to make yourself happy.
The world is a messed up place and lots of bad stuff happens that shouldn't be happening. But poor people voting for Trump, and his Republican allies, was like punching yourself in the head because you've got a headache.
So, what percentage of low-IQ people go on to be wealthy and successful in enterprises that are very mentally demanding?
If it is 1 in 1000, I would say the system is working phenomenally well.
If it is 1 in 100, the system is still working quite well enough to be valuable.
1 in 10? Maybe then the system should be burned down.
On the flip side....how many high-IQ people DO succeed, as predicted?
Is good for the gander. In other words, will our elected representatives consent to genetic screening? I, for one, would like to see their Î4 stats made available for analysis.
The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
Hillary Clinton sold 20% of our uranium to Russia... meanwhile Trump is working with the Ukraine to help keep it independent from Russia.
The masters of manipulation are always the ones who make you think you are working for the other side...
Also of note: Who has communists prominent at every rally? Not Trump, that is the domain of the left. If that isn't a big enough tell for you, not sure what is.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Not only are you still butthurt over losing the popular vote,
1) Who could possibly be hurt over something so irrelevant? Total vote counts do not matter in presidential election. You are basically saying Hillary is so stupid she forgot what office she was running for. Not very flattering.
2) Even if you do care about the popular vote, both Trump and Hillary lost the real popular vote - neither of them got even 50% of all possible voters.
3) Although I don't believe the numbers myself, when you make a claim like "lost the popular vote" to try and put down a Trump voter, remember that a lot of them simply think you are mistaken because so many illegal votes were cast for Hillary. So they "know" they really won the popular vote, and your claiming Hillary won even slightly more votes than Trump among the people who voted just makes you look like a tool. Which you are, but that's another matter.
I'll let you have the last response since liberals just scream louder when they are shown how stupid they are.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
During WWII, the US put various limits in place on resource allocation. One of those things was a wartime limit on salary. That meant employers added benefits instead. One was health insurance. I guess it became expected.
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I just *LOVE* people who claim that the established media is the fake news, and the neo-right media must then be a source of truth.
Hint: The media you call fake is much much less fake than the strong-right leaning news.
You won't believe me, because you're not a rational person (and there are multiple studies showing how this works), and you will call 'fake' just about any news you disagree with.
I really despise people like you.
And yet ... still no addressing of the matters at hand! Why? Because when I refer to Hillary Clinton as having lied repeatedly about what she did, it squares directly with the evidence of that presented by the FBI. When you call that made up bullshit but don't explain why you think the FBI was lying when it explained it to you, you're essentially confirming every stereotype of the Fake News liberal take on things. Hurl ad hominem, and avoid reality at all costs.
So, correct the situation, with specifics. Did the FBI provide us with a long list of untrue utterances and assertions by Hillary Clinton, or not? If you say they did not, are you suggesting that the video of the FBI director presenting that information was somehow doctored before it was broadcast by every major new outlet? If you think that, can you explain why you think saying that makes you sound at all rational on the subject?
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Hey, look! Still not a single sentence on the subject matter - just vague hand-wavy ad hominem. Again.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Still so poignant, even after all these years.
Employees tested. IN-VALID vs VALID. Self-esteem, standing in the community, opportunities or denial of them, all based on someone's genetics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Uh, Linux geek since 1999.
Fuck this world I"m ready to die now
The FBI director spewed a lot of bullshit, like most law enforcement, he lies to make himself look good.
When investigated thoroughly, however, you notice how full of crap he was.
That's the problem with your partisan agenda, you make a lot of thunder, but never any sizzle.
Meanwhile, Jeff Sessions lies under oath, Conway violates ethics rules, and Trump is arrested by the Secret Service after he assaults the portrait of And Lincoln.
This is just some nazis fucking bullshit. The FBI over lords going, "Yesses! It gives the precious DNA's toos ussses!" What doesn't make since is that you can't be charged a fine for this if you quit. Then again, they spin genetic testing like it's fun for the whole family on TV all the time. Government always gets a copy, how don't care what HIPPA law exists. We have these things called history books and you should know better. If I make $100K+, I'd pay the fine. Fuck 'em. Otherwise, a passport and visa is a lot cheaper. I'll gladly wear a turban, drive 80s Mercedes, shoot shit, and have multiple wives. You think if I get a peddler's license in Qatar, they'd drop $500 bills? They always sell the Middle East in the U.S. Like its a shit hole, but I've had friends from there and it's not that bad at all. Or, go to Sweden with free college and blonde hair blue eyed women everywhere. They're even proposing universal income. Taxes are high, but the privacy laws, freedom, and free health/college is totally worth it. This place is honestly starting to suck and I can't help but wonder if we're so far into debt that we signed our souls over to Russia. We kick everyone out while they let everyone in to build their economy back up. Why go overseas when you can just travel north? Hasn't really happened yet, but keep watching. It will. Bringing jobs back is just the solution we all want to work, but it's one that's reached well past its PNR and is only a short term solution and the same people in charge are the same people giving the numbers and those are the same guys that think either don't believe in global warming or think homosexuality is "curable." I just wish my generation wasn't such sheep-like pussies to of let this stuff continue like this.
Hey Look, ScentCone's is called out again, and sputters the usual incoherent rambling attack.
Somebody needs to prune that eye of yours, it is growing a douglas fir.
Small government Republicans exist, here and there, but are hardly the establishment. Trump seems intent on reducing the scope of government though. Actions need to follow words, but he might actually make some government departments smaller for once. Wouldn't that be shocking.
Homeland Security is one the biggest and it's likely to swell up like a bloated tick under the Orange Don.
Then there's the Armed Forces which he also wants to make bigger - how long before that budget item exceeds a trillion dollars?
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
Where are the trolls getting all these sock puppets with "insightful" mod points? And why doesn't Slashdot care?
Actually, just kidding about the second question. I already know that the underlying problem with Slashdot is a broken financial model, so they don't have the resources to do better. Kind of sad to see it sink down to the miserable level of the "insightful" post you're replying to.
I still think it's pointless to feed the trolls with your direct replies. Either they are sincerely insane, proudly ignorant, or they are paid to fake it. If they are paid to troll, then they probably earn bonuses based on how many replies they elicit.
Closing on a constructive note? I think Slashdot should switch to a cost-recovery financial model. Under that model, they could implement and support whatever anti-troll countermeasures the members were willing to help pay for. Details available upon polite request (but I'm not holding my breath to see much politeness on today's Slashdot).
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Uh huh... right.. and guess which party is the one who created this bill? Whatever nonsense your spouting, so far as far as actions go, only one party has been doing that. So please piss off with your both sides bullshit.
Anyone who uses the "Everyone is bad, and they al agree" excuse is promoting that they are perfectly accepting of the bad behavior.
It takes a secial kind of stupid to say that a bill introduced by one party, supported unanimously and opposed by every member of the other party means tat both parties are in agreement.
Then again, America's mistaken idea that the thoughts of the stupid are equal to the thoughts of the intelligent are exactly why we have fucked ourselves severely. AC is the epitome of the stupid side.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
That's my entire point. There are people in politics who want to move to a totalitarian type of government instead of a republic. It's a few years back but Koch is a clearer example of someone who wanted to be King.
Funny enough, having a King is usually better then having a President for Life, First Citizen or whatever title a dictator chooses while maintaining the illusion of a democratic republic (think of the arsehole in charge of N. Korea and how little he cares for the people). Kings are usually raised to care about their realm and at least have a court to keep them in check whereas dictators are usually just that though I guess there is always a chance of lucking out on a benevolent one.
I live in a Democratic Constitutional Monarchy, which in practice is little different then a Democratic Constitutional Republic and republic is not a magic word here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
SJW refers to the toxic people who participate in the modern McCarthyism regarding the various -isms, where people have no way to defend themselves because there's no way to prove you're not one and denial is taken as proof. The same people engage in organized harassment and then say it's okay when they do it, even though they complain about getting triggered by others.
What you don't seem to realize is how many people have turned against you. Yes, you can still throw tantrums for now, but we're working on putting a stop to that. No, we're not going to let the KKK run loose or whatever ridiculous ideas you have. Unlike you, we believe in treating people decently. We do plan to shut off the media's 5 minute hate machines, though. We're not falling for them any more.
We know your tactics, you don't know ours. Your toxic culture's days are numbered.
Was Pence dealing in the highest levels of classified information as part of his day job?
Was Pence subject to federal FOIA laws as a state official?
Was Pence railing against secret email servers just two years before doing the same thing himself? Although AOL isn't exactly 'secret'.
Not necessarily stupid, but you sure do like false equivalencies.
My employer tried to give me a choice recently: Volunteer for their wellness program, or pay the price for refusing.
My answer was: Neither choice is acceptable. After which, I unenrolled in their health insurance entirely.
There still remained a choice forced on me by the system after that, though: Carry health coverage or pay a tax at the end of the year.
Again, my answer to either option was "no". I wasn't going to give hard earned money to corporate health insurance fascists, nor was I giving it to the government.
I found a loophole in the ACA that was a win-win situation for me. The ACA exempts people from the tax penalty by recognizing four health cost sharing programs that got grandfathered. Three are religion based, requiring a Christian-based faith structure. The fourth one accepts any faith variety as long as you claim it is a sincerely held belief. You could say your faith is based on the Lady Oprah Winfrey for all they care.
That fourth option is called Liberty Healthcare. It isn't as religiously demanding.
The other four are: MediShare, Samaritan Ministries, and Christian Healthcare Ministries.
If a person is able to be at least slightly 'religious' then you can share healthcare costs with others who desire to care for you as well.
There are no mandatory biometric physicals, genetic test requirements, or over-the-top intrusive health risk assessment questionnaires. The only agreed upon requirements between all four are: Don't use tobacco, don't drink excessively, eat healthy and get reasonable sleep.
These programs aren't insurance that can be used to pay for every visit to a doctor for every ache or sniffle. But they ARE designed to cover catastrophic health events that occur for any reason other than harmful habits.
If people want to truly revolt with their wallets, taking their money away from corporate fascists, this is the only way I have found.
The program I chose costs me less than $200 per month for just myself. Not bad considering the prices of most health insurance premiums are double or triple that price.
I have succeeded in my revolt against intrusive, invasive, coercive tactics.
You may want to consider it for yourself, if for no other reason, to exercise swift retribution against those who think they can get away with treating you like slaves.
Come on ppl. You're not even reporting the full story.
http://www.snopes.com/genetic-testing-bill/
Yes, but they are not accepting applications at this time.
Such a sound immigration policy is a testament to said intelligence.
....don't I as employer have the right to know what I'm paying for?
If you don't like it, buy your own health insurance.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
You're delusional....
F*ck people are stupid. Is there another planet with intelligent life?
When you think everyone else around you is the problem, maybe it's you...
That's as much bullshit as claiming that racist Trump supporters don't exist. Off the top of my head:
Game of Thrones was "glamorizing" rape in a scene that was supposed to be creepy as fuck: her brother forcing himself on her over the corpse of their dead son. The SWJ's on Salon got half a dozen articles out of that, but DGAF about cannibals murdering an entire village in the same episode, and Theon's far worse fate in a previous season.
All the ratfucking aimed at Bernie Sander's way when he said "excuse me, I'm talking" during a debate - ermagerd he's so sexist to shout down the wooman in the race! When in reality she had constantly been interrupting him, and Sanders was just speaking up for himself.
The craters made in fainting couches over Marvel's variant cover of Spider-Women, even though Spider-Man often drawn in the same pose. In the same vein, the pearls clutched over Apocalypse holding Mystique by the throat, ignoring the fact that is also a common display of dominance from both antagonists and protagonists.
Of course SJW's exist. They are the left wing equivalent of right wingers who rail against trans people using bathrooms or Muslims - assholes who use demagoguery to control conversation and shut people up.
Democrats haven't been this wiped out between state and federal levels in almost 100 years. There's nothing "normal" about this, so Republicans should be thanking Obama on a daily basis for all the hard work he did for their party.
Will be promoted you can bet that.
That's a very bad example since there is no illusion to the people there or outside of the place of it being anything other than the totalitarian shithole run by the Kim family that it is. I met someone who had to flee the place just in front of arrest to the relative freedom of Mao's China - that's how much a totalitarian shithole it has been for decades.
I get your point though. Iran may be a better example because it has an elected President with very little political power. It's a theocracy with an incredibly skewed democratic process that can be overruled at any time.
In America it is.
Canada's a pretty fucking cool place. We'd be happy to have anyone who thinks America is turning into a huge dumpster fire.
The Romans knew how to deal with lawmakers like this. No term limits. Just send in the troops and they will ensure a new election is just around the corner. Now, do people with bad genes need a lobby group? Discrimination is alive and well in order for employers and insurance companies to fatten their bottom lines and some in our congress think it's OK.
That's as much bullshit as claiming that racist Trump supporters don't exist.
I see you ignored my argument and just went "nuh uh!". Very smooth.
Off the top of my head:
Well, that's the problem isn't it. You're cherry picking an example of thing you personally think are SJWisms. Which is pretty much proving my point. You've got a random grab-bag of things you hate and labelling it as SJW. You probably think I'm an SJW, and I've certainly been called it many times, so does that mean you think I care about those things?
I like GoT (books and series), but I think rape scenes is one of those places where GRRM is being a bit of a lazy writer. It's overused as general signifier of badness of people and situations.
And you don't even seem to understand your own terms. Calling it ratfucking pretty much excludes anyone fighting for social justice. Sure that might be the guise but ratfucking is politically oriented and aimed only at getting the preferred candidate an advantage. The motive is purely political and not remotely ideological.
The craters made in fainting couches over Marvel's variant cover of Spider-Women, even though Spider-Man often drawn in the same pose.
Bro, did you even watch the video you linked? The poses are similar but not the same. Spiderman is shown climbing over something. Spider woman is shown climbing over something while shoving her ass in the air. Regardless of the merits and demerits of the original argument, the video person is being intellectually dishonest and so are you by referring to it. The rest of the video is filled with poorly argued points and general dumbassery.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
It is an incentive to labour, jobs. You get a CAd genetic test for free!
Unless your employees are uncharacteristically healthy or unhealthy, there's no statistical difference between a pool of employees, and a pool of random people who bought their own health insurance (out of pocket or using vouchers from their employer).
This is more or less true, but the solution you propose - "a voucher up to a certain amount that the employer gives you to spend on any health insurance of your choice" - doesn't tie to that premise. If you voucherize, you're removing all pools, not enabling pools for random people. Given that pools stabilize premiums and payouts, the logical choice is to put everyone in the country into a single pool.
WHAT'S TRUE
H.R. 1313 would allow employers to offer substantial health insurance premium rebates to workers who take part in company wellness programs that may include submitting to "health risk assessments" including genetic screening (and thus charge more for insurance to employees who decline to take part).
WHAT'S FALSE
HR 1313 does not allow employers to force all their workers to submit to genetic testing.
Lawmakers are Employees of the Taxpayer. I think Lawmakers should undergo genetic testing before they are ALLOWED to run for any office in any branch of government. FULL DISCLOSURE. We, the people want to know if the person who will be in charge of laws that are passed through are SANE enough to function in a reasonable capacity to be trusted to do so. We, the people want to also know, should you pass the "sanity" test if you have any lurking disease that will prohibit you from working at least 300 days per year minimum for us! We, the people also want to know that your health insurance provider assess the same penalties on you as will be imposed on us as a result of submitting to this "genetic test"! Also while we're at it, We, the people want to make it MANDATORY that ALL of you be directed to provide the last 10 years of Income Tax Returns so that WE the people can review them thoroughly so that we can make SURE that you have no conflict of interests within the perimeters of where you are going to be functioning!
As far as I can tell, no party has voted on that yet. This is a committee, not the entire House or Senate.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
>It's become a catch-phrase dogwhistle used to shout down arguments.
Umm, there are jerks in the world who will leverage ANY phrase just to fuss at people. And they're jerks for doing it. Doesn't mean that the phrase is any less valid though, (SJWs are a thing).
To call them out for being dumb is acceptable. The callout need not be mean or jerks but the callout is still valid.
Both groups has jerks & dumbos-
I'm in! Let's keep all of those tribalist bastards out!
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
The emails weren't felonies,
Sending classified information over unsecure channels is a felony. She did that. Pull her dick out of your ear and start thinking for yourself for a change.