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Ask Slashdot: What Is Your Horrible IT Boss Story?

snydeq writes: Good-bye, programming peers; hello, power to abuse at your whim, writes Bob Lewis in a send-up of an all-too-familiar situation: The engineering colleague who transforms into a greasy political manipulator upon promotion into management. "It's legendary: A CIO promotes his best developer into a management role, losing an excellent programmer and gaining a bad manager. The art of management isn't so much about assembling a dream team, helping others be successful, or solving technical problems. It's about aligning everything you do in service of the business -- the business of yourself.'" What tales do you have of colleagues who broke bad all the way to the top?

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  1. The Slashdot Beta Debacle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have no direct experience with it, but I'm sure there were some great stories about the management that pushed for the Slashdot Beta website to be developed. Whenever there's that much of a public shitshow around a software product, the behind-the-scenes shenanigans are usually unbelievably crazy.

    If anyone has directly experience with this debacle, please share it with us!

    1. Re:The Slashdot Beta Debacle by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      something something, MBAs, PHBs,

    2. Re:The Slashdot Beta Debacle by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      If you want to read about a real IT disaster, read about the failure of Target Canada.

      http://business.financialpost....

    3. Re: The Slashdot Beta Debacle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All Slashdoters are betas.

    4. Re:The Slashdot Beta Debacle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about this one?

    5. Re:The Slashdot Beta Debacle by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      Anyone that thinks it's a good idea to outsource to India.

      --
      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    6. Re: The Slashdot Beta Debacle by Phusion · · Score: 1

      Oh my dear boy, I do believe your dyslexia has struck again. This is Slashdot, not 4chan. Dreadfully sorry old chap, I'm sure it won't happen again.

      --
      640k ought to be enough for anyone.
    7. Re:The Slashdot Beta Debacle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only thing to outsource to India is taking shits in public and pissing and dropping dead bodies into the rivers that supply your drinking water.

    8. Re: The Slashdot Beta Debacle by mean+pun · · Score: 1

      I suspect he was looking for the Tourette group therapy session rather than 4chan. I admit the difference is not immediately obvious.

    9. Re: The Slashdot Beta Debacle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most horrible boss: redline solutions. The boss constantly talked trash about her boss, the owner. When ever something new came up. You know the type who are so transparent, they think that wins over thier subordinates - looking this she is in thier side. And unnecessary. Adds no value but drama. Then of course thinking a product manager can actually manage technical developers. Giving poorly scope 'requirements'. One requirement was 'make it look like this mobile app'. Lol. Shows now knowing what the meaning requirement is. Or just lazy. Then the constant trash talking. Turning everyone against everyone. Just unessacary drama. And when stuff goes wrong, playing the feminism 'its because I'm a women' card. Just unprofessional.

      This bitch didn't realize her little scope of 'power' borrowed at that, was in a 20x20 foot office room. Lol. Utterly no effect overtime. Just a memory of yet another terrible manager.

      Explains why the company it literally 20 years behind in technology.

    10. Re:The Slashdot Beta Debacle by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      I suppose that the better question is, "Should India allow outsourcing to the USA?" Technology exists where there is a budget for research. India is the place to be. It's market potential is vastly greater than the USA.

      If I was in my early 20's, I would very strongly consider a permanent move to India. Thats where the action is today, and for tomorrow.

      --
      Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
  2. The Boss's father by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who I ran CAT-5 all over his mansion and he never paid me.

    1. Re:The Boss's father by Desler · · Score: 1

      That's why you have contracts.

    2. Re:The Boss's father by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You failed just as much in having a proper contract as he failed in paying you for work you had done. You learn from your mistakes, I hope.

    3. Re:The Boss's father by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's clearly Presidential material. Or maybe he's President?

  3. This guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  4. Too smart for his own good by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I worked for someone with a pathetic leadership style. He would ask for a project estimate, and we would do a good job developing the estimate. The estimate might be for 3 months of work. He would do his own analysis, and decide it will take 2 days. So he gives us 2 days, and we are late after that. He might have the skills to do it in 2 days, but my team did not. The bigger problem is he thought he was so smart that that he understood the requirements better than we did. Well, everyone would jump through hoops trying to get it done quickly, and screw it up so bad it took twice as long as the original estimate to complete and fix. He thought this was a great motivational tool, since it had everyone working like crazy. Problem is they were being very inefficient, and wasting time and money. Not to mention that being constantly stressed out didn't help their health or promote teamwork.

    1. Re:Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      We have whiners like you where I work, too. Usually we just wind up subbing the project out to India and it gets done quickly and cheaply even with a revision or three we wind up ahead.

    2. Re: Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the slashdot hose again.

    3. Re:Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have whiners like you where I work, too. Usually we just wind up subbing the project out to India and it gets done quickly and cheaply even with a revision or three we wind up ahead.

      Almost certainly not. It sounds like the real win is that you and local staff can't micromanage the project into disaster.

    4. Re:Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If he could do it in two days and you estimated it'd take you 3 months then I don't think he was the problem.

      Giving new devs a bit of extra time is one thing, but 2 days to 3 months? Why are you even in this field?

    5. Re:Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to have a boss who "knew someone" who could do "this" in two weeks. Didn't matter what "this" was. Also, you should never tell him that something would take 24 hours (three 8-hour days), because he would expect it to be done tomorrow.

    6. Re:Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can think of a lot of software projects where you can get it working in 2 days, but it will easily takes 3 months to do right. It all depends on what you mean by working. I could write the good enough code to translate a couple jpgs to a bmps without leveraging image libraries in about an hour. To properly handle all the different options, do it fast, and properly handle all of the corner cases and error checking, as well as putting together and evaluating a test bench to prove it really works, yeah that is going to take a lot longer.
      I used to size contracts and PS engagements and there's always someone who says they can bang it out in 1/10th the time, and they can, it will just be undocumented, untested, and only viable in a narrow set of circumstances. The other issue I ran into all the time with the down and dirty crowd was they would use some trial version of a library and a function that gets installed with gimp. That's great the cost of that library blows the cost model and there is no way we can ask everyone to install gimp,

    7. Re:Too smart for his own good by Desler · · Score: 1

      So that's where Slashdot beta came from!

    8. Re:Too smart for his own good by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well if you said it will take 3 months and he figured he could do it in 2 days, and he has the ability to do it in 2 days. I would probably look at yourself and your team. Perhaps you were exaggerating what happened.
      Because I can see your point if you estimated 3 months and he said 1 month of work. As an experienced developer can normally outcode someone more Jr. by a factor of 3 so they may forget this and give you a lower estimate.
      But if you say 3 months and he says 2 days. You may want to go back and get more clarification on what is needed to get done. Because it sounds like there is a miscommunication on scope.

       

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    9. Re: Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could write the good enough code to translate a couple jpgs to a bmps without leveraging image libraries in about an hour. To properly handle all the different options, do it fast,

      ...Just use image magick.
      Sometimes we just want a few thousand resized or converted. We don't need to do it in house by reinventing the wheel.

    10. Re:Too smart for his own good by sjames · · Score: 1

      Or he's one of those managers who handwaves parts away when doing estimates, for example by seeing that there is already code that does a similar thing and automatically assumes adapting it for the current task will take 5 minutes. Then it turns out it's not so similar and it takes weeks to cram a square peg into a round hole.

    11. Re: Too smart for his own good by PaulRivers10 · · Score: 1

      That's hilarious, sounds like India had a better manager so their team didn't have to do several revisions to cover for the managers ego.

    12. Re:Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 days vs 3 months isn't an honest mistake in how long it takes.

    13. Re:Too smart for his own good by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I worked at a place that had "strategic development" and "development". The people in the former would write proofs of concept that sorta worked on a limited range of the real-life domain, and there were expectations that we'd take those and quickly turn them into actual practical working software. What strategic development did was mostly good ideas, but it would have been more efficient to hand good ideas over to us so we could build them right the first time.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    14. Re:Too smart for his own good by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      and he figured he could do it in 2 days, and he has the ability to do it in 2 days

      You seem to be making an unwarranted assumption here. There's also the question of what "do it" means, and one of the chapters of The Mythical Man-Month discusses the difference between a neat new program and a useful software product.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    15. Re:Too smart for his own good by sjames · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it's honest.

    16. Re: Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's on you. 24 hours does mean by tomorrow.

    17. Re: Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not in a business environment it doesn't. Unless you work at an all-night taco stand.

    18. Re:Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had one of those too but she was Indian so it was all as make-believe as her degree. She was probably the worst "benign" manager that I ever had. Terrible micromanager. She was somebody who would find 20 things "wrong" with a page, call you to her office once for each of them, and on the later visits not understand why you hadn't made any progress on the earlier complaints. And "wrong" could be anything, including demands from the previous day.

      I remember one time having to build a site that just showed reports. I never got a big picture but I'd done this before so I had every report on a separate page with client-side sorting/filtering shared between them. Well she had a fit. She wanted them all on the same page and didn't understand the 7 lines of (non-library) JavaScript so it all had to be server-side WebForms. Lo and behold, performance was abysmal. You rerun 25 queries every postback and see how you fare. Of course, she then swore that I had wrecked the performance on purpose. Total dunce.

      The pages were pretty useless to people anyway because they told me they all preferred Excel to actually do their work. So I had this little Excel library where I could turn a ADO recordset into a spreadsheet. She whined that I had used so much interop code to format it. She "knew somebody" who could do it with 1 line of Powershell but, sure enough, deflected any further inquiry to that end. And, naturally, she yanked the export functionality out when I wasn't interested in rewriting it to her imaginary standards.

      While all of this is going on, she was hiring more Indians who couldn't even set up a C# project in Visual Studio to "help" me. Eventually she "decided" that I would write the team's base framework and had these Indians sending me code to put in it. One of them wrote a 25-line function to find the previous fiscal quarter endpoints. It only worked 3 months of the year because that clown was literally subtracting 3 from the Month property (thus, returning negative months or 31st days in months of 28/29/30). Where was the micromanagement that would've caught that?

      You know, I've only ever left one job voluntarily before my probation was up. When I decided that was the only option, I "forgot" to give her any notice (I only told HR). When she found out, she tried to embarrass me at the weekly staff meeting. Fortunately, I was in a bad enough mood to interrupt and explain that I wasn't going to teach _and_ be micromanaged.

      Incidentally, I job postings come up every couple of months for that place. And every time I see her name as the point of contact, I know exactly why there's so much turnover.

    19. Re:Too smart for his own good by Guiness17 · · Score: 1

      No, there are actual managers that work that way. I am currently working on a project run by a similar type of PM.

      He has said, and I quote: "4h for an ECN? Are the drawings done? That takes like 2 minutes, I'll do it right now" Generates ECN number. "There, done!" *smh*

      --
      Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...
    20. Re:Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A darkie with a pussie, what a fucking nightmare. Double jeopardy.

    21. Re: Too smart for his own good by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The phrase you are looking for is 'man hours' ('person hours' if your afraid.). '24 hours' does mean tomorrow at this time.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    22. Re:Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt that a manager can do in two days what an entire team would take two months to do. However let's pretend that this is true. If this was the case, then if i was the managers boss, i would fire the team and turn the manager into an individual contributor. Would have to pay less since i wouldn't have the salaries of an entire team to worry about, and get things done faster - win win, right?

      Or, if the manager was to retain the staff, then fine - if the manager can get it done solo in two days, then surely if they were a good manager, they could lead this team to complete the project in one week - else, i would fire the manager for incompetence if they couldn't meet the deadline.

      This all presumes that the managers boss gets both pieces of information (which i know never happens) - because if i was given such different estimates from management and the staff, i would apply pressure to the management to put their necks on the line for their estimates, or trust their staff.

    23. Re: Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That broke moral for a few guys that worked under me. We're salary, so no overtime.
      President says a deal is made and need to ship an order by Friday (it's Monday). We plan it out and do 10 hour days and we'll be done by Thursday.
      President frequently stops by and sees if we can go faster, and hassling us on lunch breaks and whatnot. Two of the guys miss opportunities to see NHL playoff games or go to family engagement to work extra for this order.

      Friday rolls around, product doesn't ship.
      Monday rolls around, product still not shipped.

      I keep getting stories about the buyer doing bank transfers and export paperwork and shit like that.

      I found out much later that this deal wasn't even close to being done, and the constant pressure to get something done quickly and see the result sitting in warehouse lead to these talented workers going elsewhere for 2-3 times what they were making.

      After we lost all our talent that worked there for years because we all liked working with each other, they couldn't hire anyone else again and was really surprised when the only applicants wanted 3x his expectation and weren't as good.

      Hope he learns employee value at his new company.

    24. Re:Too smart for his own good by khchung · · Score: 1

      Well if you said it will take 3 months and he figured he could do it in 2 days, and he has the ability to do it in 2 days. I would probably look at yourself and your team.

      If the team said 3 months and the manager thinks he could do it in 2 days, the manager should have done it in 2 days and let the team work on something else.

      A real manager should treat his own time as part of the team's entire resource pool, it is not special, it may cost more, but it would be definitely cheaper overall for the manager to complete the work himself than for an entire team to do it.

      OTOH, if the OP really meant "2 days for a team with everyone the same caliber as the manager", then it is the manager's fault for not accounting for the ability of his team.

      So either way, it is the manager's fault.

      --
      Oliver.
    25. Re:Too smart for his own good by short · · Score: 1

      I came to a company needing to run Linux kernel at arbitrary address. They chose remapping the kernel area by page tables (=memory mapping) and through a year they were fixing tons of exceptions across the kernel code as for device drivers one must use physical memory addresses and not virtual.

      So I came, implemented Linux kernel relocatability instead and I was done with a perfectly/better working solution in 2 days.

    26. Re: Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i use dubba a batts in my nv scope

      can't believe i cleanly joed to this comment

    27. Re: Too smart for his own good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what would your pithy comment be if this boss wasn't female?

  5. depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are we asking Slashdot, or is Slashdot asking us?

  6. The "it's always someone elses fault" boss by hsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only had one. She owned a 50 person consulting company. Always excuses or someone elses fault when something went wrong. By far just the worst.

    1. Re:The "it's always someone elses fault" boss by boristdog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My boss 18 years ago:

      "All of our projects are behind! We will have 3 status meetings every day with all people involved until we catch up!"

      So literally at least 4 to 5 hours a day were preparing and presenting status reports for the boss. Gave us 3 or 4 hours to work on the projects.
      Eventually I stopped going to all but one meeting and finished my projects. He tried to fire me for that. Fortunately his boss had more sense.

    2. Re:The "it's always someone elses fault" boss by Frederic54 · · Score: 1

      oh wow I got the same experience at a previous job... a (rather incompetent) boss did the same thing, we spent at least 2 hours a day (9am to 11am) in a room doing status meeting...

      --
      "Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
    3. Re: The "it's always someone elses fault" boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just spent 3 days making a program that poops out a list of extremely detailed statistics over what is "new" in our product. Results in 10 million rows of excel, that had to be chopped into pieces because an excel file can only contain 1-3 million rows.

      Nobody will read this. It is literary impossible to get a sense of the picture. But this is what the bosses said they wanted.

      It is like they dont understand that pointless shit like millions of rows of excel or endless meetings are contraproductive. It eats time from actual work.

      I guess it is because all they do in their jobs is looking at excels and talking with each others.

      I wonder what the world would look like if there was just engineers and scientists. Maybe we should revolt?

    4. Re: The "it's always someone elses fault" boss by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      I wonder what the world would look like if there was just engineers and scientists. Maybe we should revolt?

      everyone would starve because there would be no farmers to grow food.

      --
      ---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
    5. Re: The "it's always someone elses fault" boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Robots man, robots will farm for us

    6. Re: The "it's always someone elses fault" boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The daughter in law at a company I do IT for is like that. She calls me up and says some mailboxes are not in her Outlook anymore. I say I'll take a look after her work. I RDP in and see all the mailboxes in question, with one expanded and showing some inbox emails. So I think, "great, must have not been a problem or she figured it out".

      Next week, she complained her Outlook email mailboxes kept coming and going. Blamed the recently fired for all kinds of shit.
      So I RDP in and say the email is right there, as has been all week.
      Turns out she didn't know how to expand mailbox (little triangle is white or black) to show Inbox and other folders.

      I can't wait to show this to her boss. He is the first person to admit his tech illiteracy, but I'm positive he'll call her a fucking idiot.

      She has the attitude that she deals with idiots all day, it's hilarious.

  7. My previous boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My previous boss never showed emotion. Ever.

    The only time you spoke with him was when he was admonishing you (eg: because you took your mandatory 1 hour paid lunch later on in the day when it wasn't busy despite the fact the company paid for a $1 slice of pizza as they wanted to give a presentation to all employees over lunch) or giving you direct orders.

    The only orders he would give were what his boss told him that morning he would like to see done some day. That would then become an emergency and everything would have to be dropped. He would talk to you (see above) if you explained you were trying to get something done and the idea either wasn't a good one (for example, McAfee anti-virus on a linux database server so it was "secure") or it would be something that could wait (would be nice to upgrade that server to a newer OS sometime).

    He spent most of his time looking at your computer and listening to your phone calls in case you spent a microsecond of company time to get something personal done (for example, booking a campsite for your upcoming vacation, which is only open during work hours). He'd then talk to you (see above) and would be upset if you asked him to rate your performance (since all the above "emergency" projects were done) because his answer would be "fine". He banned me from the phone for that one.

    I discussed with people in other teams and he has never had an employee stay for longer than 2 years under him. Average complete turnover time in the department over the course of 10 years was 1 year. I made it to 1.5 years. I was warned on the way in by all the current team members about how dire the situation was and I was even warned by an employee exiting that should start looking for a job today.

    The company doesn't give a shit because the VP of technology had the exact same attitude and would take trips from the Netherlands to spy on everyone's computers to make sure our boss was doing a satisfactory spy job, and to dump brand new moronic projects on us that our boss forgot to immediately shit out to us (eg: SSH is insecure, please upgrade the linux gateways to use RDP and they should have two levels of non-administrator accounts per user).

    During my tenure there I only saw my boss use two applications in his whole life: Excel and outlook. On IM our team would joke with each other if we ever saw him use anything else because it was like some sort of revelation.

    1. Re: My previous boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "During my tenure there I only saw my boss use two applications in his whole life: Excel and outlook. On IM our team would joke with each other if we ever saw him use anything else because it was like some sort of revelation."

      Come on, what I mean, what am I gonna do jump up and grind my feet on some ones couch? I got a little more sense than that. Yeah I grinded my feet on Edie's couch!

      --Rick James

  8. Restructure gone wrong by gachunt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One morning, we were all called into the boardroom. The I.T. director started by saying that the division was being re-organized and everyone in the room still had a job.

    He then put up the new org. chart, with our new job titles, and reporting structures.

    Some managers were demoted to frontline positions, without any prior private conversation with that manager.

    And, one guy's name wasn't on the org. chart. My director forgot to pull him out before the meeting. So, turned out, everyone in the room did NOT have a job. And that guy went from "Whew, I still have a job" to "you're fired" in a very public way.

    5 months later, the I.T. director was fired after the re-org proved to be a disaster.

    1. Re:Restructure gone wrong by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Restructuring is generally a disaster waiting to happen.

      --
      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    2. Re:Restructure gone wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For a second I thought you might be a coworker of mine, but my IT Director is still here. We've had an abysmal restructuring too.

    3. Re:Restructure gone wrong by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Oh shit, that gives me PTSD hives. I worked at a startup with a sociopathic CEO who decided to pivot the week after Christmas. We all shuffled into the "living room" part of the office for a mandatory meeting, and he announced the big plan. Then he went around the room, calling out names and giving us our new roles. He didn't call all the names. "And for the rest of you: thank you for your contribution and hard work, but we've had to make some hard decisions and you won't be staying on."

      Then - THEN! - the sumbitch called on each freshly-fired person in turn and asked them to talk about what their time with the company had meant to them. There were a few half-choked "I thank you for the opportunity to learn so much..." as the CEO smiled benevolently, pleased at himself for bringing such light into their sad lives.

      Gah. I'd still cheerfully throw that guy under a bus. I mean, a literal bus.

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    4. Re:Restructure gone wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RMON?

  9. Your boss told you that ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry the long term maintenance of the project and code, because he will be gone, and I will be gone. Because he is assuming that's only his temporary assignment, and he only needs to keep it running until he get a better assignment inside or outside the company. He suggested that I should do the same.

    After that, the relationship went down hill, and than I was put on PIP during year end review. I quite after a month or so, and now working in one of those medium size financial technology company in New York City. This had happened in one of those large bank in the US, at one of its Canadian IT center.

  10. My first Boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He was a self taught programmer with a master's in M.E. I was a computer science graduate in the early 80's. He wanted me to code a sorting program in Fortran for our project. I got out my Knuth book and coded a very fast Quick Sort variant. It was as fast as the system sort. I figured he was testing me, so I coded it myself and didn't just use the system sort. It was about 3 pages in Fortran. He scheduled a meeting to discuss my work. His first words out of his mouth were, "I don't know what all of this extra code is for. You can write a sort algorithm in just a couple of lines of code." Being a newly minted CS graduate it took me a minute to understand where he was coming from. I then remembered seeing many examples of Bubble Sort algorithms coded in basic in computer magazines and entry level programming books, which were indeed a few lines long. I then tried to explain runtime efficiency to him, while he looked on smugly. I soon realized then that I had to look for a new job because he didn't really respect my intelligence and education, and there wasn't really anything I could do about it.

    1. Re: My first Boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You dodged a bullet, be glad!

  11. Okay by Kierthos · · Score: 4, Informative

    First off, this guy is not a programmer. At all. He's just the boss.

    He thinks that a word doc detailing the project is 90% of the work.

    He doesn't have a problem with waiting until 4:45 p.m. to come into the IT room with a "simple request". (To be fair, about a third of the time it is a simple request.)

    Last year, we had a day off for some holiday or another (not one of the major ones); HR announced it and everything - no body would be working that day. He came in anyway, and was passive aggressive pissy for the rest of the week because none of the rest of IT came in.

    He emails people way, way, waaaaaay after hours about projects.

    He doesn't seem to understand the idea of detailing a project from start to finish. Like, we're given a project - do {X}. Only it turns out that {X} is only step one of a much longer project, and that if told us that {X} led to {Y} which led to {Z}, we'd code it differently. But he doesn't do that, so we've spent time refactoring to handle the parts he didn't tell us about. (He's getting better about this, but it's still bad.)

    He thinks hard-coding the users which have access to a module in the system is a good idea. Because no one is ever fired or quits. (That's sarcasm)

    --
    Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
    1. Re:Okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had an outsourced "CIO" that was previously a Cisco network manager. He didn't know squat about the care and feeding of ERPs and especially our PeopleSoft system. He also could barely manage his way around configuring Windows. His people skills sucked, and he was an Indian transplant, to boot, although he claimed to be in the US since age 16 and he was now in his 30's. He couldn't write English worth a crap, and his spoken English was bad, too. But he was always putting together presentations in Powerpoint. He spent more time threatening and alienating all of his staff, except for a clerical lady that he ended up promoting to a top manager position. He couldn't stand anyone on his staff with an opinion that differed from him. Three managers working for him had been outsourced, as well. They were solid experts with a good range of background experiences. Yet he demeaned them in front of others on occasion, and a lot more when they weren't present. He'd attend meetings where he sat with his Blackberry under the table (yes, this was about 5 years ago) and swap text jokes with friends rather than pay attention to the meeting. Even when the meeting was with fellow top managers in the organization. Eventually, the outsourcing contract was terminated but he'd made good with the execs and they hired him from the outsourcing firm. He lasted about 2 more years before he found work elsewhere. We'll never really know what anyone saw in him. Absolutely the worst person any of us ever saw in a position like that.

    2. Re:Okay by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      He doesn't seem to understand the idea of detailing a project from start to finish. Like, we're given a project - do {X}. Only it turns out that {X} is only step one of a much longer project, and that if told us that {X} led to {Y} which led to {Z}, we'd code it differently. But he doesn't do that, so we've spent time refactoring to handle the parts he didn't tell us about.

      I used to have a user who worked that way. It got me daydreaming about hiring requirements analysts from the Mafia. "Youse gonna tell me what happens if the item isn't in the database, or I break your leg."

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    3. Re:Okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ha, I do not read work emails after hours. It do wonders to stress.

    4. Re:Okay by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I had a boss who would schedule meetings at 4:30 when I left at 5, or at 8am when that was the time that I typically arrived, and the first thing that I did every morning was to check the health of all of my database servers, which took some time. I found a very simple solution: in Outlook, create a daily meeting from 8-9am and from 4-5pm, and mark it private. Boss goes to schedule a meeting at an inappropriate time, and so sad -- I'm not available. It was never a problem for me in the future.

      It doesn't help against bosses that walk in, but in this case he was sort of in another part of the building and didn't come in to programmer space routinely. He once came in during lunch, when I was working (I prefer late lunches) and started talking about incredibly strange things, ruining my workflow. Then he starts giving me ration of shit about Mac computers. My MacBook Pro was on the desktop, I used it as a music player. Finally I turned to it, ran uptime, and said to him: 'You're right, Bob. Mac's are total shit. Mine's only been up for 49 days without a reboot.' He left without saying another word.

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  12. Not a direct boss... but an egomanic though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Last year, I was working at a SMB. It was located in a nice one story building, with multiple entrances, one for the reception area, and one that was intended for entrance to the loading dock and server room.

    Went to badge in as normal, noticed someone behind me very close... As in "did I drop the soap" close. I put my badge back in my wallet, asked the guy who was wanting to tailgate who he was, recommending he go to the receptionist. He wouldn't ID himself, nor say who he was, other than, "Do you know who I am? You better let me in." After a little bit of this, I said, "I know who you are. A likely trespasser," and called security.

    Turned out the guy was some VP from another state, he refused to wear a badge because he felt those were for the "plebes". Had me fired that day because I would not let him into a server room without a badge.

    1. Re:Not a direct boss... but an egomanic though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being fired for upholding written policy? Oh yeah you could have made that expensive for them.

    2. Re: Not a direct boss... but an egomanic though by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 1

      Wow, what a bastard. That sort of thing is exactly the opportunity for the VP to say he was doing intrusion testing and the workforce was well trained. You would think you would have been disciplined or fired for letting him in, not keeping him out!

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    3. Re:Not a direct boss... but an egomanic though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I live in an at-will state, where people can be fired for anything.

      The ironic thing, from what I was told by someone still working there, a month after I got the boot, some skulker went from office to office and "liberated" a number of laptops, with nobody challenging the person because of what happened to me.

    4. Re:Not a direct boss... but an egomanic though by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Funny

      I live in an at-will state, where people can be fired for anything.

      The ironic thing, from what I was told by someone still working there, a month after I got the boot, some skulker went from office to office and "liberated" a number of laptops, with nobody challenging the person because of what happened to me.

      "Someone." So, I assume you got good money for those laptops :-)

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    5. Re:Not a direct boss... but an egomanic though by Isendur · · Score: 1

      Oooh, I love a story with a happy ending :)

    6. Re:Not a direct boss... but an egomanic though by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      For this case the mistake was that you were rude to the VP, and more or less threatened him.
      If you went "I am sorry but I am not allowed to let anyone in without a valid ID."

      And if he did pull a "Do you know who I am?" The response should be a polite "No am am sorry I do not." Then if he stated that he was the VP just escort him to someone who should know who he was for validation.

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    7. Re:Not a direct boss... but an egomanic though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Previous company I was at - day one, new president - the security guards didn't let him on the premises (gated parking) because no badge. They got highly commended for that from him. (unrelated) and then outsourced years later.

    8. Re:Not a direct boss... but an egomanic though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If your language to him was as you described (firm, but actually pretty polite to a potential trespasser), I'd think you should have a case for wrongful dismissal and a bit of compensation. You were, after all, truly doing your duty as an employee, and especially as part of server room operations, you would be expected normally to be extra security-conscious.

      Probably for the best you left, if your managers didn't have your back on this, and a great interview story (sucks getting fired though no matter what...)

    9. Re:Not a direct boss... but an egomanic though by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      Had me fired that day because I would not let him into a server room without a badge.

      I am sure you will love this story

    10. Re:Not a direct boss... but an egomanic though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It sounds like my fellow AC was polite, and didn't "threaten" (if you can even call it that) this supposed VP until he became rude.

      Went to badge in as normal, noticed someone behind me very close... As in "did I drop the soap" close. I put my badge back in my wallet, asked the guy who was wanting to tailgate who he was, recommending he go to the receptionist. He wouldn't ID himself, nor say who he was, other than, "Do you know who I am? You better let me in." After a little bit of this, I said, "I know who you are. A likely trespasser," and called security.

    11. Re: Not a direct boss... but an egomanic though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went to a job interview in downtown Vancouver. By GPS planning, I expected to be there 20 minutes in advance, plenty of time to park and take elevator.
      All the street parking was under construction.
      Company didn't have underground parking.

      I drove around in one way circles to find pay parking 7 blocks away.

      I arrived at reception desk at 2:01pm for 2:00PM interview. The receptionist leaves to go find HR lady. HR lady calls my cell asking where I am, I tell her in reception waiting for her.
      She arrives in reception to tell me that the VP I was here to interview with was not available (what the fuck, I gave them full week availability to pick the time) so she's looking for someone else.
      Oh, and no one booked a conference room.
      So a lead developer on their new project comes to interview me without notice. We're sitting on two seater couch and his breath is the worst I've experienced in my life. His English was very bad. He wouldn't give me details on the NAS they were making. He asked the same questions over and over.

      When it was all said and done, I told the HR missus how bad she was compared to the other companies I interviewed with and that I am not interested. I think it was mutual, I think they thought I was Chinese for some reason and when I showed up white, it was just gtfo.

      Lesson learned, check glassdoor before going to work (if you have the luxury to choose). I found a lot of reports similar to what I saw in an hour.

  13. The CEO wanna-bees. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This has happened a couple of times and it's a hazard when working in Fortune 500 land.

    First, a technical decides that he wants to get into management. So, during his review/career guidance meeting with his boss, he mentions that. The boss isn't' threatened by it because he's "sure" that he's gonna get there before this uppity up.

    So, the wanna-be starts reading all those management du-jour books that you see in airport bookstores, takes every team building management class that the those overpaid charlatans the company hires at $50K a pop.

    Then, he starts showing up in business-not-so-casual. No jeans, suit pants, oxford short - no tie, and the red flag: tasseled loafers.

    Then because he's an up-and-coming manager to be, you are assigned to him. This is when your life becomes miserable. He will micromanage. He will set goals and standards for you and make you conform to all these horseshit things that he got from those books he's read and classes he took.

    So, while you are busting your ass to get your project done on time, he's bothering you with horseshit. Your days will hit 12 hours and you will be "asked" to come in on weekends.

    His emails go from 3 sentences to 3 pages. You have a useless meeting at least once a day - and get this, participation counts. One meeting has these two architects discussing what to do about the system and as a good less senior guy, I kept my mouth shut and listened and learned.

    During my review, I was told that I need to participate.

    And before that review, I had to fill out this multipage document that explained everything I achieved and contributed over the last year - while meeting an unreasonable deadline.

    Of course, I missed a tone of these I did because I wasn't smart enough to keep a journal. KEEP A JOURNAL!!

    So, then it was "obvious" that I wasn't contributing and was written up, given an "action plan", some dipshit form to sign, and off I went - to update my resume and I was out in 2 weeks.

    Pro-tip: Do not work for a company that has been around for more than 50 years and has a three letter name such as IBM, NCR, etc ...

    Tip 2: During the interview, ask to see the HR offices. The larger the more miserable the company is.

    Tip3: Look at the shoes.

    Tip4: KEEP A JOURNAL.

    1. Re: The CEO wanna-bees. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a young up and comer at a 3 letter technical dweeb with the unfortunate distinction of also being good with people.

      I know I am because I've been threatened as such by my seniors- you know to make life difficult for my advancement should I not tow the line on their shitty micromanagement.

      I just want you to know that some of us wannabes are good and trying to fix the culture like we would any technical system. I agree 100% your scenario exists but some of us are trying to root out shitty IT management and making progress.

    2. Re: The CEO wanna-bees. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also tips 3 and 4 are solid.

      Beware shoes many young lads try to punch above their weight with them. Also counter-intuit: The most important guy at the office to have on your side is the guy who doesn't wear any. Ever.

    3. Re: The CEO wanna-bees. by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I wear ESD-slippers with socks.

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    4. Re:The CEO wanna-bees. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THE SHOES!!!!

      I had a short term contract in a branch of a very large company. They needed me to write updates to some outdated software that they absolutely needed and I accidentally became an expert in it at my previous job.
      The work and the rest was fine. It was a couple of months in all that I worked there.
      But the very strange thing was the boss of the person I reported to.
      My first day there I'm in the cubical farm. I seem to be dressed the same as everyone else, and as far as I was informed I was dressed appropriately.
      Slacks, polo shirt, and flat black 'nice' shoes that are between tennis shoes and dress shoes. I don't know what they are called but doctors, male nurses, and best buy managers all seem to get these shoes around here.

      Anyway,
      Near the end of the day I have a meet and greet. The boss-man pulls me aside and tells me I need new shoes before I come back the next day.
      I look around and sure enough, EVERYONE is wearing shiny black dress shoes, even the woman.
      It seemed pretty odd that you would wear business casual, but expect dress shoes.

      Anyway, a week or so later this guy who I gathered was basically their star programmer comes back from vacation.
      He is wearing black jeans with holes in them, a black T-shirt with a band on it and a a black unbuttoned flannel over it, also with holes......
      And the fucking shiniest black dress shoes I've ever seen. You could see your reflection in them from across the room.

      The guy seriously had some kind of foot fetish...
      And the like 40 people+ people on his team all went along with it!

      I've tried to keep an eye out for his name in the news.... I'm expecting him to get arrested for stealing mannequin feet or dying in a avalanche of horded women's shoes or something.

      Bosses be CRAZY!

  14. "I just had a great idea - " by sheramil · · Score: 4, Funny
    "... if we copy all the files from the windows 98 install disc.. AND the windows NT install disc.. onto the same machine.. then we can boot into Win98 OR NT! Pretty neat, huh? Can you make that happen?"

    "er... not.. as.. such."

    To be fair, he wasn't an IT manager; he was a wannabe biker who'd gotten the drinking and coming in late part down perfect. But he was in charge. Glad I don't work there any more.

    1. Re:"I just had a great idea - " by nxs9735292 · · Score: 1

      I did similar thing for a power user and it worked fine. Two different partitions/drives, separate Program Files, etc per OS. Of course this VP's workstation cost >$5K. This was before VMware or any kind of virtualization.

    2. Re: "I just had a great idea - " by Zeromous · · Score: 1

      You can absolutely do this we cloned multi booy with xcopy before there were things like ghost. Its actually dead simple and takes just a few minutes per machine.

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    3. Re:"I just had a great idea - " by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's easy to create two partitions and install different versions of Windows on each. You select which version you want during the boot process. I'm fairly certain Windows 98 supported that (WinXP did). If not you still have two choices. 1) Install a Linux boot loader and use that to select the Windows version. 2) Install each version of Windows on a different internal hard drive and select which hard drive to boot off of from the BIOS startup options.

      So it appears the wannabe biker knew more about computers than your IT department.

    4. Re:"I just had a great idea - " by wwphx · · Score: 1

      We once had a user copy all of the files in the Windows directory in to alphabetical subdirs. For some reason the computer didn't boot after that.

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  15. A CIO promotes who he likes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >It's legendary: A CIO promotes his best developer

    A CIO promotes who he likes fixed that for you.

  16. "Best" by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your best worker should get a raise.
    Your worst worker should stay to do the dirty work.
    The average worker is the one you (may) want to move into management.

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    1. Re:"Best" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your best worker should get a raise.
      Your worst worker should stay to do the dirty work.
      The average worker is the one you (may) want to move into management.

      But, because the first one usually doesn't make up for the fact that management makes more than individual contributors, so most high performers want to move up, even if it isn't the job they prefer.

    2. Re:"Best" by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      Your best worker should get a raise. Your worst worker should stay to do the dirty work. The average worker is the one you (may) want to move into management.

      Not quite. Every who ever plans to work in any sort of office again must read this in-depth analysis of office politics.

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    3. Re:"Best" by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      If you want to be the hero in the department, clean up other people's messes — the impossible jobs that no one else in the department wants to handle.

    4. Re:"Best" by Rastl · · Score: 1

      If you want to be the hero in the department, clean up other people's messes — the impossible jobs that no one else in the department wants to handle.

      This. I've done this. I've mentored people entering the workforce on this. If you do the jobs that no one else wants to do then you're the one they keep. Because shit gets done.

      The downside to doing that (besides doing the jobs which sometimes turn out not to be so bad after all) is that you need to continually remind management that these things are getting done BECAUSE you're doing them. Otherwise they get used to not having pain points without realizing that someone has picked them up.

    5. Re:"Best" by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      In theory yes... However the following factors are in play.
      Managers tend to want to be paid more than their subordinates. So the average worker will get rewarded more than the best worker.
      Getting a raise is nice, getting additional power to do your job your prefered way is important too. Also getting a title change is important. Otherwise it can appear that your job is going to a dead end direction. And the best employee may be gone in a few years.
      The worst working staying to do the dirty work, often the dirty work still needs to be done well, and have them doing it means it doesn't get done well. Also they get angry for doing all the tough jobs while the better workers seem to be getting all the easy ones. Making it easier for them to seem like they are better workers.

       

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    6. Re:"Best" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've drifted into management speak. Impossible means impossible. You can't do impossible tasks because they're impossible.

      If you mean hard dirty tasks, often there's a good reason your colleagues avoided them, for corporate politics rrasons. They sound easy but they're very hard tasks will end up making you look bad to management while burning you out.

    7. Re:"Best" by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You've drifted into management speak. Impossible means impossible. You can't do impossible tasks because they're impossible.

      Not for a miracle worker.

    8. Re:"Best" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to be the hero in the department, clean up other people's messes — the impossible jobs that no one else in the department wants to handle.

      Fuck being a hero.

      Heroes often go unrewarded, so if that is your goal - you may end up depressed.

      If you want to be the best in your field, clean up other people's messes; the impossible jobs that no one else in the department wants to handle.

      Fixed it for everyone.

      Eventually, given an unknown number of problems, you're going to stumble upon a problem that no one in your area can answer better than you - and the occurrence will happen again and again, with ever increasing frequency.

      Sincerely,
      The Master formerly known as "Hero"

    9. Re:"Best" by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You can use point one to your advantage. He approves your raise, if you get one so will he (assuming the place is that rigid). Devil is in the details. Clueless middle managers who annoy techies often end up very overpaid.

      The highest paid is often also the one that gets the biggest raise. Could be many reasons.

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  17. Preg Promotion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Worked for someone who got their job because they were pregnant. Experience and knowledge were not a factor. The main boss had a reputation of hooking up her friends and she did with this former co-worker who immediately followed the guide of 101 things to NOT do when you get an illegal unethical promotion over people in the team. The promoted supervisor immediately started pulling rank and consolidating the decisions that were made as a team. (Because she's the supervisor now and the supposed expert.) I just push all the complex decisions on her now that actually require knowledge of how to do the job she illegally obtained. When she comes back and asks questions, I just say; "You said you were the boss now. You should know this information. Make a decision and sign your name to the form." I'll let her back stabbery be her own undoing.

    1. Re: Preg Promotion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is she gaining the illegal information, is she harvesting the brains and organs of young developers and staff and surgically installing them in her own body??? I've seen this before.

  18. Horror Story by puddingebola · · Score: 5, Funny

    My boss (CIO) promotes me from his favorite developer to management, of which, admittedly I know nothing. After a few months he calls me into his office, wants to discuss my management style. He feels I'm not being assertive enough. Throws a knife down on the desk says, "Now, I want you to stab me." I say what. He says, "Stab me, go on, fucking stab me." I tell him I'm not stabbing me. He comes around the desk and tells me if I don't stab him, he's going to stab me. Then he gets up in my face and starts screaming for him to stab him. Finally, I snap and pick up the knife and try and stab him. He breaks my arm in two places and breaks two of my ribs. Then he claims in court that I attacked him with a knife. Well, I can tell you, I won't work in management ever again.

    1. Re:Horror Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF?.. that is horrible. That guy was a psycho

    2. Re:Horror Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think I saw that episode.

    3. Re:Horror Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, but pudding handled it poorly. Which is what most devs do. Handle people poorly.

    4. Re:Horror Story by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      I'm going to guess this is from a movie or otherwise fictional, but otherwise:

      I [...] pick up the knife and try and stab him.

      he claims in court that I attacked him with a knife

      Seems about right.

    5. Re:Horror Story by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

      My boss (CIO) promotes me from his favorite developer to management, of which, admittedly I know nothing. After a few months he calls me into his office, wants to discuss my management style. He feels I'm not being assertive enough. Throws a knife down on the desk says, "Now, I want you to stab me." I say what. He says, "Stab me, go on, fucking stab me."

      Perhaps you should have taken your smart phone out of your pocket and started video taping him.

    6. Re: Horror Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope that story isn't real.

    7. Re:Horror Story by ecklesweb · · Score: 1

      Was expecting Jack's Smirking Revenge

  19. documentary by Bruzer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I watched a documentary about a guy who was slacking off at work (not showing up for work actually) and when the performance consultants interviewed him he actually got promoted to manager while they laid off a few of his friends or peers! Some other stuff happened in the documentary but I am pretty sure that was the relevant part.

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    1. Re:documentary by tsstahl · · Score: 5, Funny

      You should tell your story with more flair. It would really make the atmosphere around here more fun.

    2. Re:documentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      True story: my friend was one of the I.T. workers featured in that documentary. In real life, he was a terrible, terrible programmer, but the documentary made him out to be much more competent than he was. The guy was always making "off-by-one" errors or rounding errors, and he once caused his company to send out 10 monthly statements to each of the customers.

      Anyways, he was finally arrested one day, after going bat-shit insane. He walked into a local Kinko's (they were still around at the time), and destroyed all their printers and copiers with a baseball bat. Last I heard, he's doing hard labor for a construction company, with his friend.

    3. Re:documentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the "documentary" your thinking of is actually a movie called Office Space, great movie but not real life unfortunately

    4. Re:documentary by William+Robinson · · Score: 1

      I watched a documentary about a guy who was slacking off at work (not showing up for work actually) and when the performance consultants interviewed him he actually got promoted to manager while they laid off a few of his friends or peers! Some other stuff happened in the documentary but I am pretty sure that was the relevant part.

      Was it Office Space? You forgot to tell, how he and his friends take revenge on the printer.

    5. Re:documentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FAKE NEWS!!!!

    6. Re:documentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're JUMPing to conclusions..... Eh? Huh?

    7. Re:documentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More flair? I thought OP was referencing "Office Space", not "Waiting...".

    8. Re:documentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loved the plot! They should make a movie out of it.

    9. Re:documentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least 15 pieces of flair.

    10. Re:documentary by Sun · · Score: 1

      I was actually about to correct your "documentary" statement when I saw the mod. Does it count if I tell myself "whoosh"?

    11. Re:documentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw the same documentary. In the end he ended up working in construction after a brief flirtation with embezzlement. Truth truly is stranger than fiction.

  20. Only the one awful boss by bradley13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I only ever had one really horrible boss. What fun: it was my first job after college, so I didn't understand yet how to defend myself from the idiot.

    He was a 55-60 year old guy who clearly believed that his best days were behind him, and he was just killing time until retirement. And he just had to talk about the good old days, the days before he became such a useless wreck. So he would call me into his cubicle and start in on a story. After a few minutes, something in his first story would remind him of a second story. And something in that second story would remind him of a third one...

    I was not allowed to act bored, or say "I've really got to do X", or - god forbid - yawn. I kept myself awake by tracking his recursions. His record was seven stories deep. I give him credit for one thing: he never lost track of where he was - he always finished off every story at every level of recursion. This often took 3-4 hours. Per day. Every day.

    I eventually learned to dodge him on most days, so that I could actually do my job. I got my guidance from parallel managers, but mostly learned to do my job independently of his (non-existent) supervision. This pissed him off no end, and he gave me a scathing review. Which I took to the "big boss", who asked around, found out that my situation was pretty well known, and that I actually did good work despite my boss. My idiot boss was never allowed to supervise anyone again. Sadly, he had too much seniority or political connections or whatever, so they didn't fire him. Also sad: it took me 2-1/2 years to get to this point.

    I don't generally hold grudges, but in his case I do make an exception. He's long dead, but I looked up where he's buried, and if I every find myself in the area, I will piss on his grave.

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    1. Re:Only the one awful boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course I wasn't there, so what do I know, but I had a similar senior colleague (admittedly, not my manager) who exhibited the exact same behaviour. After a couple of long chats I found that telling him "sorry, I have to go and do X" and then leaving actually worked incredibly well. We became good fiends, I enjoyed our chats 1-2 per fortnight, and when I had to work, I did.

      Responding to your comment in a general sense (do not take this personally): just grow a pair and tell anyone obstructing you at work to get out of your way so you can do your job. I promise things will improve!

      PS: The poor chap above writing about the VP and tailgating into the server room. I would have done the exact same thing, and been fired for it, but fuck 'em: it was the right thing to do, which indicates you're better off out.

    2. Re:Only the one awful boss by VorpalRodent · · Score: 1

      Here I thought I was the only one! I've got someone that I look up to - not a coworker, just someone who happens to be a friend of the family that has a lot of useful age and wisdom. The problem is that he conveys everything by story (frequently the same couple dozen stories), and each story generally has the same set of sub-stories.

      I don't know that I've ever seen him go past five, but tracking recursion is exactly what I do when I'm waiting for him to get back onto the original topic, and he never fails to properly unwind the stack.

      --
      Take it to the limit, everybody to the limit, come on, everybody fhqwhgads.
    3. Re:Only the one awful boss by dargaud · · Score: 1

      I had a philosophy professor who regularly went into recursive levels of stories and never got lost. The good thing is that his stories were absolutely hilarious (that's where I first learned about tentacle porn for instance). And he was also a good professor. Surprisingly.

      --
      Non-Linux Penguins ?
    4. Re:Only the one awful boss by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      "One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones..."

    5. Re:Only the one awful boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this guy works in the cube next to me. Loud hacking laugh?

    6. Re:Only the one awful boss by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      He was a 55-60 year old guy who clearly believed that his best days were behind him, and he was just killing time until retirement.

      I work for someone like that now. Horrible manager really. He does all sorts of non-manager style things. For example a major project came around with high visibility and impact and he delegated it to me very publicly. When it was a success he gave me all the credit. Similar thing happened to another guy in our team but when it didn't work the manager took all the blame because he was close to retirement and our careers were more important than his.

      It's like he hasn't even got an MBA or something.

    7. Re:Only the one awful boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I kept myself awake by tracking his recursions. His record was seven stories deep. I give him credit for one thing: he never lost track of where he was - he always finished off every story at every level of recursion.

      I had a girlfriend who would do that. She couldn't keep track that well and I never knew which story she was going to go back to. If I forgot where she was in the one she went back to, I was punished. I've no idea what her deepest recursion was, because after three I started to get very confused.

    8. Re:Only the one awful boss by joboss · · Score: 1

      The main project I am on is suffering horribly because of that and almost certain to die. It's even worse than your case however because there are also companies A, B, C and D that all work to provide parts of the whole for the system meaning you have things line (A does X). When it comes to X -> Y -> Z, there's actually a hell of a lot more than that, it's a complicated graph. What ends up happening all the time is that A, B and D will all be asked to implement Y because of disorganisation and things like that. Because of a combination of legacy and being given pieces to the puzzle rather than the entire picture more than half the codebase or more is useless, 90% complete but doing nothing other than imposing a growing maintenance burden. Priorities constantly switch around. In a process that can be X -> Y, they'll then decide they also want Z as well rather than only a partial expansion except then completely forget about it for ages then come back later and ask for an entirely new X/Y before leading on to Z. The waste is enormous. A combination of the client, consultants that are meant to work for us working for themselves and disorganisation means that company C which has been the least decoupled and most isolated from the mess will have the project outsourced to them where they get to do it from scratch largely independent from A, B and D cutting out B from the equation altogether with A performing little more than an ancillary token role to keep some staff employeed and to keep some stake in the project. As A, B, C and D are all competitors as well as partners C needed to deliver Y to A so A could complete Z but instead dragged their heels doing as worse a job as possible so that they could move in and take responsibility Z from A so to have a larger stake in the endeavour.

    9. Re:Only the one awful boss by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      A group I worked with but did not report through (think "embedded") had previously lacked a formal manager, there was an incompetent "architect" who was permitted by the director to de-facto act as one. Then they brought in a manager from a company that had previously been acquired -- a company who had lied to my employer to get them to buy them, then their shitty product was EOL'd. Guy was a QA manager, and was put in charge of an engineering / devops team that he wasn't vaguely qualified to understand. At one point this jackass remarked of a candidate from HP Helion: "Why hired from a failed company?" Shit you can't make up. So one day he had traveled to my regional office to commune with the aforementioned "architect". Did the requisite group dinner (which pre-empted my birthday), where he bragged that he had enough $ to be off work for a *year*. And how much he liked living in NJ. Those alone were red flags, plus the fact that the only thing he would eat was raw meat. Next day (Thursday) afternoon sent email asking me to do something by 8am Monday. I replied back, CCing my own boss, showing why what he asked for wasn't doable in that timeframe, and linked a couple of user stories. Dude stormed over and commanded me to follow him. Led me into a conference room and spent half an hour screaming at me: - "It thirty minutes work! You no need develop and test!" - Me working within the management-directed scrum framework was a waste of time and "running around in circles" - I was not to reply to his email, I was to go to him in person or use voice. Only. # Speculation: no paper trail that way - Slapped around a laptop, fuming about how an existing Grafana dashboard was useless. Months later he wasted a few weeks of engineer time having someone duplicate it - "You want report to me? You no report to me then you useless! I hire someone else teach them what you do and you out!" Fortunately I had just read "The No Assholes Rule" and handled the guy impeccably. Extricated myself from the room, and contacted my [awesome] boss, who ran it up the chain. Three levels of *my* management, up to VP, spoke to me directly to apologize on behalf of the company. They also talked to the perp's director, who eventually spoke to me directly. I knew the guy technically was in a difficult position and had limited expectations of the call, but even so he disappointed me. Refused to admit that the perp had done *anything* wrong. Not the screaming, not the violent actions, not the threats. Claimed the perp was the best of 15 candidates, which if true (it couldn't possibly have been) would REALLY say something about the others, they would have had to have been Trump-class unqualified. I suspect their faults were mostly ethnicity, and that picking the perp earned points for not having to pay severance. In the end the perp got only a slap on the wrist, and was force to "apologize". Which took the form only of apologizing for the first five minutes of raising his voice. Nothing else. My manager counseled me that I had done ZERO wrong and asked that I keep him informed how the perp acted, with the idea that a single instance wasn't actionable, if you get my drift, but that a repeat would demonstrate a pattern and then our director would have the ability to go nuclear and get the perp removed. Unfortunately the perp was craft and played passive-aggressive, taxing me professionally for the whole thing but never in a way that was actionable. Taking responsibility away from me, ignoring anything I said, went so far as to say that I was no good at engineering but good at ops, etc. Mind you in 3 years I'd received 36 recognition awards, and he'd received 0. Then about 9 months later the perp's whole org got riffed, and since I didn't report through them I was still around. Last I knew he had somehow landed a senior manager job in {shitty southern state} at a well-known but declining company that is known to be a hostile boys-club, and had to move.

  21. Incident Manager by Pete+(big-pete) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was working as a Major Incident Manager for a very large consulting company working on a huge government project. The management in the consultancy company were generally terrible, on my first day my colleagues took me out for a drink - they pointed out a bunch of people across the room and mentioned that it was the configuration management team who had all just been fired because management weren't happy with the way the process was going...just as my first example.

    Another time I had someone from second line support come to my desk and point out that some of the monitoring was showing red, I immediately directed one guy to check from an end-user perspective to see the actual impact for users, another guy to pull the logs, and a third to dig deeper into the monitoring - they all scurried away to start assessing the situation. In the mean-time I leaned over the partition to my boss who was sat next to me, and mentioned the issue - she stuck her head up like a meercat, looked around, and said (quoting word for word), "I can't hear any shouting, I can't see people running around, I can't see people panicing, I don't feel this is being managed properly!". She then asked me if I'd informed her boss yet - I told her we were still evaluating the situation (again, apparently unacceptable), so she immediately snatched up her phone and called him saying the monitoring was red and we were in a crisis. Just as she finished her call the guy from the end-user perspective came back to my desk and reported that the issue was completely transparent to end-users. I passed this news to my boss who threw her hands up and said, "But I've called X! Now it's nothing?!". Yes. Quite.

    A third story would be from the time her replacement (she was eventually demoted then fired) pulled me to one side and started screaming and swearing in my face because he didn't feel I was motivating technical staff to fix issues quickly enough because I wasn't in their faces screaming and swearing at them until any issue was fixed (yes - this is exactly what he meant). I'm sure any techies here will be happy to agree that this is not an appropriate motivational technique to get the best from your staff...but there you go.

    I could go on - but instead I'll just summarise to mention that in the 12 months I worked there everyone in my team quit or was fired and replaced twice over except for me and one other guy...when my contract finished I wasn't sad to leave.

    -- Pete.

  22. Short Man Syndrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Couldn't fault the guy for his technical knowledge, especially *unix, but he was useless with people. The reason I left the company was because I was suddenly brought into a disciplinary meeting with three points...
    1. I talk to much and /someone/ in the team had complained. There were 5 of us, including myself and him. I decided I would apologies to each person in the team individually and found out that he had made the complaint up.
    2. Managers/Directors had complained that I looked scruffy when I walked around in my plain black jacket which I wore when it was cold (old WW2 era buildings). Can't say if this one was true or not but no one ever said it to my face and I was on good terms with most others.
    3. "This won't go in your official record but.... I don't like your beard and I want you to get rid of it."

    Three weeks later I handed in my notice and he genuinely seemed shocked! He just didn't know how to talk to people, shouted at me in front of the team for not fixing a backup error and that backups were /his/ responsibility and his job was on the line if it didn't work so how could I let it slip through?!

    One of those type who should be locked away in a server room to manage their Unix boxes and not interact with people...

    My beard is even bigger/better now.

    1. Re:Short Man Syndrome by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Unix guys 'jut beards' at each other to determine dominance in the pack. Your 'rack' was big enough to threaten him.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  23. Still going on.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll post when it is finally over.

  24. Do you want to play a game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Years ago the company I worked for was rolled up into a parent company. I had a few PO's stuck in limbo that weren't moving. I ran into the new IT boss in the datacenter and inquired about their stuck status. He told me if I could beat him at a game of Starcraft that he'd approve them.

    I quit less than a month later.

    1. Re: Do you want to play a game? by Zeromous · · Score: 1

      Why not live stream the match?

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      ---Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A START
    2. Re:Do you want to play a game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You sure he wasn't just joking?

    3. Re: Do you want to play a game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just be better at starcraft. Loser.

    4. Re:Do you want to play a game? by Dr.Boje · · Score: 1

      So... did you quit because you played him and couldn't beat him? Or did you quit because you didn't want to play him? You should have just said, "I'll play a game of Starcraft with you, but only if you approve my PO's first."

  25. Work Harder not Smarter Mentality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My boss often says we would rather throw bodies at a problem than go down the more expensive route of solving the problem properly. *** edit out long boring horror story *** Long story short... our glassdoor rating is 2 which is a remarkable achievement. :-)

    1. Re: Work Harder not Smarter Mentality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hear you. My boss was truly serious about throwing bodies at problems. He had a trebuchet installed for the purpose.

    2. Re: Work Harder not Smarter Mentality by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      Were those bodies infected with the plague, syphillis or cholera?

  26. Badmouth boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    About 20 yrs ago I worked for a small privately owned startup and developed a system on time and made a fair amount of money for the owner. When I told him I was leaving he docked me for the two days I was away on the interview even thougj I had the time coming. My last day was met with nasty comments from him. Then I heard from my new company that when he was asked to verify my employment (he was not asked for a recommendation), he was very vociferously negative. The new company told me about this and simply askef for another recommendation to counter this.

  27. One Promotion Too Many by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

    In Management Science class, the tutor told us that engineers (he was speaking then of technical engineers, but it probably also works in other fields) would make one promotion too many in their life. In fact, they were trained at technical skills, but were expected to end up in management, of which they had only basic knowledge, or none at all.

    And he told that often, the best engineer would be promoted to be department manager. This off course was not a good thing, as the best engineers were usually not the best managers.

    I sincerely hope to make him proud by proving him wrong.

    --
    Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
    1. Re:One Promotion Too Many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was once promoted from Software Engineer to Software Manager and, while I think I did a decent job ( of course ), I didn't enjoy the managing as much as the programming, and I left to go back to programming, where I am happy.

      The only problem is working for Software Engineers who got promoted to Software Manager :-(

    2. Re:One Promotion Too Many by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's called the Peter Principle. It's one reason why so many companies become top-heavy with incompetents.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    3. Re:One Promotion Too Many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is actually some truth to what that instructor said. My own father was a Senior Electrical Engineer III well into his 50's. He hit the limit of promotions for his job duties but did not have any desire to go into management. The company kept trying to force him to move towards a management role and began requiring him to attend night-school to work on getting an MBA degree. He was actually thankful when he got laid off (incompetent CEO artificially inflating stock price to keep investors happy) to no longer have to deal with that nonsense. All he wanted to do was design circuits the rest of his life. He moved into teaching instead.

    4. Re:One Promotion Too Many by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I once had a manager give me a clear description of the Peter Principle as part of company policy. That was the job where I got recurring dreams of being rescued by my US 1943-pattern armored division in 1/285 scale (I'm a miniatures wargamer). I stepped up the new job search and looked for dump trucks for my engineering battalion.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  28. Math PhD who only ever led grad students by CokoBWare · · Score: 1

    I worked for a boss who was brilliant and a great individual contributor, but had poor instincts for team leadership. I think I hated his management style the most, but I remember one of my coworkers screaming at him on a voice call about how rude and cruel he was, and that all he did was speak to people with disdain. This guy was a post-doc fellow at some university and led grad students before taking on a team of 10 IT folks. His instincts were so driven by the academic cadence he was used to, he wasted quite a lot of money fussing around about this and that, and never really delivering product. It was a mess.

  29. I have one by smkndrkn · · Score: 1

    I have a ton of these stories after being in the industry for 21 years but I'll share a recent one from a few years ago.

    I left a large organization after my retention ran out and joined a Startup based out of southern New Hampshire. About 8-9 months into my job my best friend was hit by a car and killed. When I say my best friend, I'm talking about a guy that came over my house 3-4 days a week after work to hang out. I loved this guy as much as family.

    I informed my boss that I needed to take a few days off to help get his "matters" in order and help plan the funeral. He gave me the time off. After two days I realized I was going to need some more time to help finalize everything and asked for a couple more days off. He never responded to my email or phone call. I took the time off. When I returned to work after 4-5 business days off. His comment to me was: "OH! you finally decided to show up"

    I set up a meeting with the CEO and quit on the spot and informed that I had no job lined up and would continue until I found one, or I could walk right then. They kept me on for about 3 weeks while I found a new job.

    I hear he re-retired about a year after I left.

    --
    ======== In the future, everything will be artificial. ========
    1. Re:I have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally companies set bereavement policy, about 5 days for immediate family. Nothing official for friends. You did right calling and emailing. As a manager, that is all I have ever asked. Assuming this was your first such request, they should have cut you some slack.

    2. Re:I have one by smkndrkn · · Score: 1

      I took a week off to purchase a house about 6-7 months prior and that was all. I also used vacation time for my friend's funeral.

      There are a lot of stories just from this particular gentleman so this was the final straw.

      My job just previous was Manager of Operations for a company purchased by IBM. I managed a team of 7 folks and we kicked ass as a group. I don't consider myself a bad employee and have never been terminated for any reason and get pretty good reviews.

      Sometimes you just get stuck with a prick and the best thing to do is hit the eject button and work for someone who respects you and appreciates your hard work.

      --
      ======== In the future, everything will be artificial. ========
  30. My last boss... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He came into our open spaces wielding a letter opener and screaming "Allahu akbar!", then he tripped on a CAT-5 cable and fell stabbing himself. He screamed and cursed, bleeding like a stuck pig, and staggered out. Haven't seen him since. Can't say I miss him.

  31. Nicknamed the Cant Understand New Technology Boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My old boss used to work on Vax's and got promoted up the company to become the IT Director. He was so useless at his job as he did not know anything about PC's & Servers so was knicknamed "Cant Understand New Technology - Boss" . His best debacle came when I (IT Manager) was refused to purchased several SCSI drives to replace into out RAIDed file server what were about to fail. I wrote the requisition out along with an urgent worded memo and arranged a meeting to get it signed, but he was in his usual mood of "Leave it with me" attitude which meant he'll ignore it all as usual. This time I did not argue about the importance as after he is the IT Director of a large military enterprise company and he knows best. Anyway, the day duly came when the SCSI drives failed and thus the entire file server infrastructure went down across the company. I just sat at my desk awaiting the panic which arrived within 10 mins after he had received lots of phone calls from departments as they could not get to their files and he starts question why I was not not fixing the problem in front of approx 50 employees. I duly stood up and said I could not rectify the issue as the requisition paperwork along with the URGENT memo was still being waited upon for his signature and I calmly explained that once he has signed it I can then place the order, however as express in my memo there was a 4 week delivery time as the drives had to come direct from Seagate as they were not domestic off the shelf components found in any 2 bit computer store. Needless to say, the Managing Director turned up to find out why he could not access his files and we all had to have a meeting to discuss what to do. The Managing Director immediately sacked the IT Director for gross negligence and I got the signature to proceed with the purchase of said drives. I managed to get the drives quicker from Seagate as I had to fly directly to the states to pick them up and fly back which was a jolly nice trip. The ex IT Director could not find

  32. Boned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My managed services company is managed by local real estate moguls.

  33. Spineless weasel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The worst boss I ever had was a corporate toady with no spine. He's a classic example of a developer who went into management but had no talent for management. His model for management was treating his employees like they were his children. He temporarily replaced my old boss who was fired for political rather than performance reasons until they hired someone else.

    After we met newBoss, I asked my co-worker what he thought. He said "I think if you asked him to roll over, he'd do it". Which was a good way to express exactly what I was thinking. Some people you can read a mile away.

    This turned out to be prescient. He was a corporate tool, and a mirror of upper management's toxic practices and horrible culture. He never fought for anything, and lived his life in fear. After I left (only a few months later) I looked at his Linked In profile. He'd worked for only non-IT related mega-corps. He was fully a product churned out by Corporate America where the tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower.

    God I hated that guy, and I only had to work with him for 3 months. The company I worked for had been bought by a Fortune 100 company a few years ago, and firing of oldBoss opened up the flood gates of badness. The badness of newBoss wasn't entirely his fault, he was just a cog in the big horrible corporate machine. I still am so glad to be away from that place.

  34. That's not agile, THIS is agile! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The boss who insisted that there was no need for developers to do estimations of work for individual stories. "Agile means that they get it done NOW! Tell them I need this by tomorrow, that's it!" I can't tell you how many contractors he burned through and how many marathon, multi 20 hours days he put those people through.

  35. Ex-boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My ex-boss stopped my pay check, took my stapler from my desk and moved me down to storage B. He did let me listen to my radio at a reasonable volume from nine to eleven, though...

    ...in the end, I set the building on fire.

  36. Managers get worse as they grow older by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Managers are best early on in their career, when they have idealism and genuinely want to build and keep talent and make their company as good as it can be.

    Then they turn into politicians and bureaucrats. There should be a five year rule for most non-senior managers - after that, they should go back to being individual contributors, or depart.

  37. My boss raped me, and still does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a female engineer working at Uber.

    1. Re:My boss raped me, and still does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean he quickly glanced (and then looked away) at the obvious cleavage you were using to broadcast your sexual availability, then got mad because he wasn't the 'right' guy to look?

  38. Slow Day Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on you can do better.

  39. Current by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A boss that gets up and follows you into the bathroom to make sure you are "doing your job" or makes passive aggressive comments to you during your lunch about how he didn't think you were in that day.... or what about a boss who works 9 hours straight (no lunch, no breaks) at his desk and anticipates you do the same without question, while the rest of the company does 8 with breaks and lunch... and micro manages 1 person in the company, which is you.

    1. Re:Current by Lorens · · Score: 1

      A boss that gets up and follows you into the bathroom to make sure you are "doing your job" or makes passive aggressive comments to you during your lunch about how he didn't think you were in that day.... or what about a boss who works 9 hours straight (no lunch, no breaks) at his desk and anticipates you do the same without question, while the rest of the company does 8 with breaks and lunch... and micro manages 1 person in the company, which is you.

      Because he doesn't trust you. I'm not saying he's right to act that way, he's wrong, but that's the way some people are. It might get better if you stand up to him. Or you might get fired or hit in the face, YMMV. Ask your colleagues if he was like that in the beginning with them and then eased off.

  40. Entertainment is entertaining by AKAJack · · Score: 2

    Nearly 20 years in IT with a diversified entertainment company. Think movies, TV and theme parks.

    After one regime change my new boss ends up being a highly trained and well-liked mechanical engineer with no IT experience. He also ended up running the copy shop so our staff meetings had my staff - some with advanced degrees and copy shop staff. Our concerns were based on development schedules, roll out, training, service, etc and the copy shop wanted a Keurig for themselves. Guess what we talked about most of the time in the first month of weekly meetings? Yeah, why there was no budget for their Keurig. They brought in advertisements from Target and other places with the best prices. They argued. We sat there slack jawed.

    As the manager new boss engineer came to me for help solving this "concern". Reach into your pocket and pull out $100 of your $150,000/year salary and buy if for them. He was dumbfounded that I would even suggest such a thing.. I bought one at a garage sale the next weekend and wrapped it in a ribbon and put it in the copy room saying "From (new bosses name)" Problem solved. Yeah they complained about having to buy their own coffee after that , but by that time no one cared.

    Same boss was chatting with me in my office when he suddenly noticed that my desk was bigger than his. He assured me it wasn't that he wanted MY desk, just that he didn't know they made a larger size in the style he wanted. Much work time is lost searching for a free desk of similar propotions. His secretary cried from the frustration of having to beg for furniture because this guy wouldn't pay for anything.

    One weekend me and my server lead swapped the desks. Told the boss we found one somewhere. He never noticed mine was suddenly smaller.

    Finally manipulated him into taking charge of intranet requirements for upper management. After a year of no progress and reporting same to his boss, he was reassigned.

    1. Re:Entertainment is entertaining by ErichTheRed · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "He was dumbfounded that I would even suggest such a thing."

      I've dealt with this over and over working for large companies. Once a company grows beyond a certain size, the ability to buy anything is paralyzed. I routinely buy stuff like hard disks, USB drives, little peripherals like that out of my own money for that very reason. You can't just go down to NewEgg or Micro Center with your credit card and submit an expense report -- it has to go through purchasing who will spend a week researching the cheapest price or steer the sale to whichever "preferred supplier" bribed them this year.

      "Same boss was chatting with me in my office when he suddenly noticed that my desk was bigger than his. "

      True story from a friend who worked for a major European airline...this airline actually had a written policy stating what furniture and accoutrements were available to staff at the various levels. There was a team of people that would actually go around and fit offices with the new hard-won accessories when people were promoted, just like getting a new patch on a military uniform. The policy had strict guidelines stating office size, how big the desk was, whether you got an additional chair or cabinet, what grade of carpet you had, at what exact level of service and seniority you got a door, which desk accessories and quality level thereof you were allowed to have, etc. When people end up working for an organization for a long time, stuff like this becomes extremely important...it establishes a clear hierarchy.

    2. Re:Entertainment is entertaining by sconeu · · Score: 2

      You can't just go down to NewEgg or Micro Center with your credit card and submit an expense report -- it has to go through purchasing who will spend a week researching the cheapest price or steer the sale to whichever "preferred supplier" bribed them this year.

      This. So much this.

        I worked for a major defense contractor. We needed a piece of software and we needed it "yesterday". My manager told me (in writing) to go ahead and order it on "petty cash".

      So, two weeks later, I and 6 others get called to talk to the VP of Engineering (who was not an engineer, but a bean-counter) to explain why we hadn't gone through proper channels. My manager was awesome and tried to take the heat for me, but to no avail. Turns out that he got called on the carpet for it too.

      To this day, even though I no longer work there, I still consider myself one of the "Petty Cash Seven".

      --
      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    3. Re:Entertainment is entertaining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trick I learned is to cozy up to the Accounts Payable department to find out which vendors they use for ordering supplies and if there is anything you can do when filling out a purchase request to make their lives easier. Generally, if you can get the boss to sign off on the purchase request and list the vendor and catalog item # on the request then it will go through without issue. AP doesn't care since it is not their job to approve something, it just needs to be through one of the vendors that the company is able to still buy stuff through (one thing you learn quickly is that all companies drag their feet at paying one another and will at varying times refuse to do further business until accounts are paid up.)

    4. Re:Entertainment is entertaining by Ginguin · · Score: 1

      This kind of thing can be so aggravating. I worked at a company where I was doing graphics design and e-learning development. I was hobbled with sub-par hardware, but was making due. I, in my misguided innocence, requested a second monitor. Because I already had a larger than standard monitor (all employees were issued a 19" monitor), a two month long series of weekly meetings were held with various department heads and corporate suits before I was finally denied my request.

      The reason? The vice president on site did not have two 'large' screens. Corporate would not allow anyone to have larger monitors or more monitors (or a combination of the larger/more) than an executive stationed in the same facility. To get myself a second monitor (I would have been happy with a tiny one from an empty station, I just needed more screen real estate), the VP would need to get larger monitors. He didn't want a bigger screen, so I didn't get a bigger screen.

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    5. Re:Entertainment is entertaining by joboss · · Score: 1

      I've seen this a lot in growing companies. Missing procedures or informal procedures. Sometimes no budget. In my experience it's an added stress to have to keep informally requesting things. If it goes all way through the chain up to the very top of the company it's immensely stressful. Having to justify a purchase to a CEO, etc. Disorganisation like this can happen a lot, sometimes blindspots form where more than 90% of things work great but there's a nagging percent that drags on and on. The problem is that small percent can drag everything else down with it. I do often just buy things myself.

      Strategically you would think just ask and see what you get but it's not the roll of the dice each time. It's also a more arduous process than it need be. Strategically it's a complex problem. Probably the more you ask the more you get and when you don't ask someone else might get your cut of the quota. On the other hand you don't want to ask for something in case you deprive yourself of something more important down the line. I find there's a whole set of missing disciplines for these things. Either it's handled however as and when it occasionally happens or turns into a system once it becomes frequent enough. I'm not sure that there's a set of well defined and grounded ideologies of how to scale up a company as is grows, how and when to create processes, apply procedures, etc.

    6. Re:Entertainment is entertaining by pepsikid · · Score: 1

      AKAJack, eh? Sorry to go off topic, but I wager your name is "Chad" and you either have a slight accent, are a fast talker, or both. If you live in Austin, please meet me, your twin brother for a drink this weekend!

    7. Re:Entertainment is entertaining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in a position now where I call firms out for not providing developers multple monitors. Monitors are cheap. Developers are not.

      People wonder why I'm not a developer anymore..

    8. Re:Entertainment is entertaining by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I worked for an org and was issued a purchase card, it was a credit card from a bank that I could use on trips, etc. Except all purchases had to be put on a req and approved in advance. So what it did was de-centralize the purchasing department, to no benefit of the people throughout the org. There was no such thing as petty cash, and if you bought something out of pocket that you needed without the p-card approval, odds of getting reimbursed were not high. So if you needed to outfit an office, you'd go to Staples and write down the catalog number and price for everything, then plug it in to a Word document, print it on the correct color paper (automatic rejection if on the wrong color paper) and run it up the chain. For a very long time I have made it a personal standard of buying almost all of my own supplies and taking them with me when I leave to avoid shite like this.

      A friend in the same org went to spend several hundred dollars on a load of paper (she ran the print shop). When the credit card statement arrived for the purchase, all hell broke loose because there had been an error in calculating tax on one side or the other (vendor was in a different state) and there was a sub-ten cent difference between the PO and the actual purchase.

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  41. I'm sure we've all seen this one by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    IT boss wants to make a big splash and get more underlings so they offer to take on some useless and stupidly simple manual labor like data entry or calling a bunch of customers to say 'hi'. Just about everybody I know in IT has had at least 1 boneheaded manager do this. What I hate about this most is that it's always the kind of work bean counters are on the lookout for when they're trying to find something to outsource/automate/eliminate. What I need out of my management is to keep a steady stream of useful and valuable work hitting my desk to keep my employed. When they pull this crap they're doing the exact opposite of their purpose.

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    1. Re:I'm sure we've all seen this one by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      It’s not exactly what you mean, but it reminds me at a place I worked with, as a senior programmer, who would make you do some menial, stupid job like program EPROMs for half a day (this was before the Internet, so you could not occupy your idle mind while the burner churned around). And when we complained, the most infuriated is that the boss replied “don’t complain, you’re paid four times the normal rate for doing that”

  42. I'm not your drinking buddy... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    I had a manager who wanted me to be his drinking buddy and friend after work. I don't drink (I go through a six-pack in six months) and had enough friends outside of work. He accused me of not being a team player and I accused him of being unprofessional. No one else in the department wanted to be his drinking buddy. After trying to get his boss fired in an epic management battle, he got fired for gross misconduct. Since then I'll bail out of any job interview where the hiring manager indicates that he wants a drinking buddy and friend after work. These people are always shocked that someone might object on professional grounds.

    1. Re:I'm not your drinking buddy... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      After work...I agree completely.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:I'm not your drinking buddy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell him you need a new sewing partner, you're not gay but have been *really* into this design book you bought and if he's not afraid of his masculinity he should join you.

      When he declines just smile and nod. He'll figure it out later.

    3. Re:I'm not your drinking buddy... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Tell him you need a new sewing partner, you're not gay but have been *really* into this design book you bought and if he's not afraid of his masculinity he should join you.

      I do own a sewing machine and quilting design book. Several of my male coworkers are also into quilting.

  43. And now for something different. by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Interesting

    An awesome, horrible IT boss.

    Yeah. He was awesome.

    He'd let us slack off all day. He never complained about us being late, even by two hours or so. We got games onto the work computers, played over LAN, he'd sometimes join. He would assign tasks, then push deadlines for us as they flew by. He'd deflect any unreasonable requests from the outside, overestimate the time needed, very rarely asserted any control over us. If not the fact that apart from him we had a team leader, who was energetic, competent and could have a good grip over all projects, I don't think we'd ever get anything done. That meant we weren't entirely spoiled rotten... but yeah, we were spoiled. But yeah, huge vacations, gaming on rigs more powerful than anyone had at home, slacking off, coming late, and a boss who never even frowned about this, shielding us from any upper management and other "external threats" very efficiently. We loved him to bits for that.

    You've got to admit he was horrible for the company though. Projects going over budget and way past deadline, simple stuff billed like severe overhauls, and all the goodies corporation could provide for the employees for free...

    Some time after that there was a grand restructuring, all the teams dissolved and reassembled from scratch, and I got assigned elsewhere, he got an entirely different team to spoil, but hell, I won't forget him. Awesome guy for the employees, horrible for the corp.

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    1. Re:And now for something different. by PJ6 · · Score: 1

      Awesome guy for the employees, horrible for the corp.

      There's dysfunction all over the industry, and usually you get the combination of very little getting done, but everyone working their asses off and being miserable.

      If you got anything useful done at all I wouldn't judge him so poorly from a corporate perspective.

  44. We're gonna be the best! by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 2


    So there I was, listening to the new team that just bought the company I worked for. They spoke about how they convinced some pension fund manager to invest millions into the newly formed company. they bought another two in a shopping spree. "Strategic purchases to complement and complete our product portfolio and offering" -sounded good.

    I was told that within a year (or two) this newly combined collection of hosting providers of different tiers will become a powerhouse. An industry leader, an international name. -promising news!

    We were all told that the customer survey scores which are now in the 10-20% positive feedback range will become 40%-50% in a year and 60% and 70% in two which will be industry leading for the managed hosting industry.
    (NPS 70 Average is a lofty target! - but let's stick with percentage for arguments sake)

    Everyone was listening as the new exec, with his shiny new suit was giving his really enthusiastic speech. All the staff, managers etc all sat there, smiled politely and stayed quiet. He went on and on and showed us that graph with the green arrow that starts shallow but climbs rapidly, soaring towards the magical 100% mark.

    Being a lowly entry level tech could not see how this can be achieved so quickly and I needed insight. I wanted to know more about this exciting new journey.
    I raised my hand and was given permission to speak. I asked "Given that being the best or even in the top ten is a monumental challenge, what sort of changes or efficiencies are we going to make to reach that goal?"

    The shiny suited exec looked at me in silence. I considered that he was formulating a detailed response and waited as did everyone else. After a few more seconds of silence his subordinate quickly stepped in with a helpful answer "You have to remember that efficiencies do not always translate to gains and gains is what we're after." - I stared at him, stunned. I realised at that moment that they had no plan, they had no idea and I was given an answer that provides very little in way of a meaningful detail because of it.

    I asked my direct manager of the time, an introverted guy that would not associate with the rank and file, why there was no detail in the plan. He told me that he's sure that they would not invest millions without a detailed plan..which he was not aware of either. Of course this change also meant he was going to manage all of support across the companies...

    A company wide skills survey shortly followed in which I was asked only questions about skills I did not possess. I was fired shortly after.

    I've only had better employments in much more successful companies since.

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  45. Ironically, I told it already by MrKaos · · Score: 2
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    1. Re:Ironically, I told it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Psychopathic CEO

      Grammar check: Duplicate word.

    2. Re:Ironically, I told it already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once you get on the bad side of a sociopath, you will never forget it. They have the patience to bide their time for months or years, carefully building lies upon lies to achieve their goals.

      To this day I don't know how he did it, but a former socio-boss manages to get HR to rewrite 3 years of glowing reviews (from my former boss) into a long history of under-performance. I now keep my current employer a secret on-line. I don't trust him not to try inter-company revenge.

      My revenge was moving to a new job here I made more that him, with half the working hours.

    3. Re:Ironically, I told it already by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Once you get on the bad side of a sociopath, you will never forget it. They have the patience to bide their time for months or years, carefully building lies upon lies to achieve their goals.

      I've observed their ability to manipulate situations.

      To this day I don't know how he did it, but a former socio-boss manages to get HR to rewrite 3 years of glowing reviews (from my former boss) into a long history of under-performance.

      They twist language. Plus a lot more probably.

      I now keep my current employer a secret on-line. I don't trust him not to try inter-company revenge.

      My revenge was moving to a new job here I made more that him, with half the working hours.

      Yeah, It's wise to leave them a wide berth and let them self destruct.

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  46. Toxic management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not my boss, but a colleague was told to run a test. She runs the test, and finds a bug and reports it. She is shouted at for not fixing the bug during the testing.

    She runs another test, and finds a bug. She fixes the bug during testing. She is shouted at for taking too much time to test, and wasting budget.

    She runs another test, and finds a bug. She keeps quiet about it. She is shouted at for not finding the bug.

    So now she no longer knows what to do, and I can't say I blame her.

  47. Maniptulative mangaement by evolutionary · · Score: 1

    Once I worked at a place where a new bank manager was brought in to help grow the company. This guy tried to pit me against a good friend who was my supervisor by claiming he had made a comment about me in a peer review. Fortunately I had the sense to ask my friend about it. Turned out he was trying to undermine my supervisor because he had more influence over the company owner than he did. I got another job shortly after talking to my friend (through another friend) after coming to the conclusion this manager was toxic. The company was sold a year later and the majority of staff laid off 6 months after that. My friend left the company to work abroad after the buyout. That manager was the most manipulative I'd ever known but Iearned a lot from the experience

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  48. Oh, Lord, do I have a tale. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    . . . got hired on to be Security Guru and ISSO for a Federal Agency. Because clearances had to transfer, it took two months for me to start there.

    I get there, find the guy who hired me had moved on. The guy in his cube was a fellow contractor. He looks at me, and says:

    "Security Guy ? I give you 30 days, 45 tops. . . "

    The new boss is a GS-14, who was a GS-10 a year earlier, and a Cisco tech, who married a Supergrade, and immediately got promoted. And who had 37 positions on her teams. . . . and had churned through 70+ people in those slots over the previous 9 or so months.

    First problems surfaced when I was asked to specify my standard work hours. . . and was told that overtime must be approved in advance, in writing. And then the mangler requires me to attend additional team meetings that STARTED at 2 1/2 hours past my standard day. And told me I must adhere to my written hours, and could not charge overtime for the meeting, but my presence was mandatory. That was the first clue.

    My immediate project was a prototype virtualized Blackboard deployment, Windows-on-VMware. Fairly straightforward, but we want to now test it on the production network, it had performed well in Dev and Test. So our ISSM told me that all we needed was what traffic out to the production net was required, from what IPs to what IPs, and the names of our test boxes. This was Wednesday morning. He also told me to have it to him by noon on Friday, and he'd approve it.

    Basically, a not terribly-complicated spreadsheet, about 4x4. about 40 total pieces of data (several were multi-port/multi-protocol connects, your typical Active Directory traffic. . .). 20 minutes to compile, another 5 to write an intro and embed the spreadsheet into a 1-page document. Manager ALSO required us to have her approve, in person, all documents sent outside the group.

    I bring her the page. She asks why we weren't using Telnet. She calls one of her pet engineers (an Exchange guy) to look over my work. Half an hour later he
    shows up, notes that he doesn't understand it. So she calls a TEAM meeting for the next morning. Meeting goes 6 hours. 1 page doc is now ten pages. Still not happy, she calls another for Friday at 10AM (data was due by noon).

    Meeting lasts until quitting time. Doc is now 21 pages. STILL not approved. New meeting, 9AM Monday morning. Finally, Tuesday, at ~1:30 PM she approves it. 37 pages. We send to the ISSM, who immediately rejects it, as not what he asked for, and days after the deadline.

    Manager calls me in, starts screaming at me for damaging HER program. I pointed out, I had the original request in writing, had data ready two days in advance, her processing and add-ons got it killed. She continued to scream at me, enough that people came by to see that everything was alright.

    I had enough. I told here that I quit, walked out of her office, down to my cube, logged out, packed my stuff, and left.

    Only job I ever walked out on in nearly 45 years of work. .. .

    1. Re:Oh, Lord, do I have a tale. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, and for the record ? 52 days, 4 hours. . ..

    2. Re:Oh, Lord, do I have a tale. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy peasy do not work for bitches. Anything that bleeds is suspicious.

    3. Re:Oh, Lord, do I have a tale. . . by iCEBaLM · · Score: 2

      The new boss is a GS-14, who was a GS-10 a year earlier, and a Cisco tech, who married a Supergrade

      I see the words, I can read them, but the meaning just isn't coming.

  49. Sorry, you all fail - worst IT Boss ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sorry, you all fail. those may be bad, but this guy wins the prize.

    His name is Jack, he's a big, fat, boisterous, Jewish a-hole.

    We used to have a joke that if he didn't physically threaten to kill you on a regular basis, you weren't doing your job.

    And no, we're not talking about some side comments or jokes or anything along those lines. We mean cold,serious, murder.

    We had the territory rep from Cisco come in one day with some support staff just for a "friendly" visit, and there was Jack, chest to chest with the guy yelling and screaming, shaking his fist in the guys face, threatening to murder him, right there, in the middle of the office floor, with all the staff watching and listening.

    I had my thumb on 911-speed dial, just waiting for a fist to connect and I'd press the call button.

    Thankfully Jack never actually hit the guy, but he was blacklisted by Cisco, they revoked all support, and refused to do business with the company any more.

    And all the other vendors, except one did the same thing.
    He managed to get blacklisted by every vendor in the business.

    Congratulations! That's really hard to do! He should get a prize.

    Thankfully Jack isn't working there any more, but it was really hard to get rid of him, because he owned both the data centers, the actual office buildings the company used.

    I had to deal with that asshole for 2 years.
    He'd regular threaten to murder staff throughout the day, every day.

    You needed a very thick skin, and the ability to tune him out and ignore him in order to get through the day.

    We had two bottles of single malt scotch in desks to help us out, which we used regularly.

    I'm so glad I'm out of there, but I'll never get rid of the scars caused by that place.

    And for those who asked why I stayed, I couldn't find any other work that would pay the bills, low economy.
    And why no one ever charged him or called the police, well, losing the data centers would shut the company down, and all the other staff were in the same situation, all with families to support.

    BTW the one company that didn't blacklist Jack, was Jack's favorite - Nortel, and they're gone now.

    So next time you think you have a bad job or a bad boss, just think about Jack, and thank your lucky stars you've never had to work for an asshole like that.

    Yes, Jack, you're an asshole, and everyone knows it.

  50. Basically your job and career is at the mercy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    of your bosses. I got a new boss who thought his job was to discipline me. He even tried to fire me. Fortunately or unfortunately his boss didn't like the idea that much since replacing me would not be easy. But try and remember that you are an employee at will and that they will fire you. Never be comfortable. Always try to be marketable. Learn new skills and save for that rainy day that will come.

  51. So many bad bosses by omibus · · Score: 1

    Actually, most of my bosses have been good people. So over the majority, no problem.

    Of the bad ones:
    * first boss out of college, could not go thru the day without yelling at someone. Would make something up if necessary.
    * Boss that could not make decisions. I would outline two or more approaches, and he would say to just wait....for weeks. He finally fired me. Later on the rest of the team revolted against him and upper management had to remove him. That did not unfire me tho.
    * Manager that handled all client contact...but couldn't remember what to say, had no idea what the customer wanted, didn't understand me either. Quite possibly worst communicator I've had to work with. I told upper management I refused to work with said manager ever again. Next project involved that manager with an apology. I still quit.
    * President with delusions of grandeur (not my first), believed he was the next Steve Jobs, and railroaded just about everyone in the company. By this time I'm old and cynical. I'm one of the few people that will tell him "no". First time he nearly did a double take. The rest of the executives just stared at me afterwords. I explained why it couldn't be done and he still didn't believe me. Didn't yell, but I think I was the first employee he had that couldn't just be cowed. Also, he knew he couldn't do my job (all others were suspect). Of all things, I outlasted him in the company.

     

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    1. Re:So many bad bosses by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      I outlasted him in the company.

      I was never “good enough” for my parents. Always short of this, or short of that. So, of course, I got to think that I wasn’t that good

      On the first serious, full-time job I had, where I was the first guy hired by that startup, I was pretty amazed to see many people hired after me getting fired not too long after, until I was poached by one of their clients So I guess I'm not that bad, after all

      (And the startup closed after one of the owners went to jail for selling nuclear technology to some exotic country full of good-looking, nice brown people who make very good food).

  52. Oh, so many stories... by ErichTheRed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been working for a long time in a highly political private company. I'm extremely lucky that I've been allowed to advance in my career on a technical track, but most people foolishly pick the management path. The actual work we do is really interesting and it's a fun job as long as you don't let the politics get to you, or heaven forbid, get involved in it. If you let it get to you, you're going to be miserable. If you do your work and don't step on any landmines, you're golden. It's not government IT, but the politics are very close -- think appointed VPs who can do no wrong, and whose appointments are basically gifts.

    Most of my horror show IT boss stories revolve around people promoted into management positions who have no aptitude for it. I've held supervisory and management positions, and I can tell you first-hand that tech and management are completely orthogonal skill sets. I'm not sure what's different about IT, but it seems like there's just no easy way to retrain people to deal primarily with machines instead of people. Unfortunately, most organizations are built around the assumptions that the only way to advance in your career is to manage those doing actual work, and that everyone actually wants to climb the ladder. I was smart enough to realize that I wouldn't be effective no matter how much retraining I did, and luckily the company was interested in keeping someone with good technical skills as a "lead" without the political crap. I actually think it's for the best, because the company just went through its once-a-decade middle management clean-out. Moral of the story: If you want a job, keep your skills sharp and keep learning.

    The other stories involve "white knight" MBAs coming in and managing departments through Excel. I worked at one place where the new CIO came in, and within 2 weeks announced that the entire department was being outsourced after a 6 month transition period. His speech basically amounted to "you're too expensive, capex vs. opex, right-sizing,..." The instant the meeting was over, every single person worth hiring was on the phone pulling the emergency cord, arranging new jobs and quitting (including me...I wasn't going to end up with the Scarlet Letter U (for Unemployed) on my record.) Instant dead-sea effect...the outsourcer ended up sucking at their job, got kicked out and the department was in-house again. Luckily the CIO got fired...that akways drives me nuts when executives keep messing up and end up at another company after getting a huge payout. Why can't we worker bees do that?

    1. Re:Oh, so many stories... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Luckily the CIO got fired...that akways drives me nuts when executives keep messing up and end up at another company after getting a huge payout. Why can't we worker bees do that?

      There's a revenue stream coming into the company. Executives decide how to share it. So naturally they get the lions share, regardless of their contribution to the company.

    2. Re:Oh, so many stories... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked at a Catholic healthcare company in IT and would get the political BS. I would give presentations on various technology achievements we made. Once the marketing department found out I was publically speaking, I got raked over the coals because I wasn't "on message". They would rework my technology presentations so that they did not make any references to technology, and instead would ramble on about how God supports Obamacare. Needless to say I was forced to gave up doing presentations. You can't go to Gartner tech conferences and spend an hour babbling about Obamacare and be taken seriously.

    3. Re:Oh, so many stories... by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 1

      Luckily the CIO got fired...that akways drives me nuts when executives keep messing up and end up at another company after getting a huge payout. Why can't we worker bees do that?

      A former boss called it "F*ck up, and move up"

    4. Re:Oh, so many stories... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Luckily the CIO got fired...that akways drives me nuts when executives keep messing up and end up at another company after getting a huge payout. Why can't we worker bees do that?

      A former boss called it "F*ck up, and move up"

      Could anyone shed light on something for me? How do those interviews go when middle-to-high ranking executives napalm their companies through sheer ineptitude and then wind up with similar or better positions at other companies?
      ----
      Interviewer: Could you tell us a little about your previous work experience and accomplishments?

      Incompetent Executive: Well, in the last 5 years I've single-handedly driven 3 companies into chapter 7 bankruptcy, I have, ahem, allegedly been a contributing factor in 2 employee suicides (the suicide notes prove NOTHING, I say!) and one unrelated incident of workplace violence involving a gun, my departments tend to churn through employees faster than Apple enthusiasts churn through iPhones, and the IRS now has a couple of agents who are specifically assigned to keep tabs on me and perform audits on any company that employs me.

      Interviewer: Great! Sounds like you'll be a perfect fit! You're hired! When can you start!
      ----

      But seriously though, some of the sorts of people have reputations and records. A five minute Google search on their name would be enough to get them blackballed across at least half the industry under normal conditions. Is it just simple nepotism, or is there more to it?

  53. My story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My last boss was by far the worse I've ever experienced. He was the last hold over on a team where most everyone else left for other companies. While his colleagues were pretty sharp, he was the dead weight of the team. They had regulated him to the simplest tasks because he couldn't handle pretty much anything. All the heavy lifting was done by everyone else. The stuff they did have him doing was typically organized and scripted by someone else, so he could just learn how to do a thing rote without understanding anything about the underling tech. What was mind blowing was that upper mgmt made him the team leader. The heavy lifters of the team left for better offers. The few that stuck around after mgmt made him boss fled. That should have been a warning sign, but I was super into what the team did.

    Another co-worker/friend and I came in as the last few people ran screaming for the hills. With in 5 min of us unpacking our desks in our new office, dude flat out told us that we were not his first choice at all, but he was forced to take us by his boss. Great first impression. He also knew nothing about anything that was done. He used broken tools and scripts and processes set up by the guys prior because that's how it was always done. If something broke, he had no idea what was going on. If something stopped working, same. Worse was because he was an older guy, he used to play the "I have more experience than both of you" to ignore us. We would have to clean up his messes CONSTANTLY because he would break things on an enterprise level, then panic, then beg (or threaten) us to fix it. Oh, and when we did, there was a 50/50 shot that he would either take full credit for everything or blame us.

    Interns hated him because he would load them up with work, then take all the credit, then get pissy with them when they decided it wasn't worth working there and try to sabotage hem getting jobs elsewhere. My coworker was constantly treated like shit because she was a she. He had zero respect for any of the women in our IT department, even though nearly all were smarter than him and in most cases better with tech.

    Dude had no sense of scope or impact. He would routinely major org wide changes without notifying anyone. He would also routinely hold up minor cosmetic changes in red tape. It was nonsensical.

    He would call meetings all the time for everything and drone on and on and on. I have nothing against meetings that are productive, but these were useless. When my coworkers and I would bring up things he didn't like, he'd let out these loud sighs and roll his eyes at us.

    Eventually, my friend got sick of it all and jumped to another team. I stuck it out hoping he would leave before I lost my shit. Instead, I finally got sick of the abuse and stupidity and was basically told by our upper mgmt that I was the problem and I could either move to an open position in another place or find a new job.

    The awesome epilogue is that I love my new position and coworkers. My new boss is great, and upper mgmt is starting to see where the weak spot in the original team was since there's no one able to wipe the bad bosses ass anymore, which is incredibly funny to me and my old teammates. Just this week he unknowingly pushed an updated program to a bunch of computers and broke a ton of shit. Watching the fallout is great and I've heard he's sweating bullets meaning someones breathing down his neck.

  54. I could write a book by Misagon · · Score: 1

    I could write a book about one boss I have had, because there are so many crazy stories about him. And yes, I have seriously considered doing that.

    He was the designer of the company's product, he was micromanaging everything so that nothing significant happened unless he himself was involved, he was a compulsive liar ... and he was an alcoholic.
    He spent most of his days at an outdoor table at the local bar just outside the office, where he held "meetings". He even had people hired mostly to be his entourage, so that he would have some company to drink with and tell stories to.
    At lunchtime, you had to be very careful not to walk too close to the bar (which was almost just outside the office door) or you would be called over ... to spend the rest of the day there and forced to listen to his stories.

    Eventually, he was fired after having crashed a meeting with a client that had led us to lose our contract with them. He had been drunk and told a lofty tale which included how he had supposedly killed a guy ...
    The company had of course consisted of mostly air ... so when he left, the company was downsized from a multinational company to a handful of people and it changed focus.
    Weirdly... the company survived thanks to the devotion of its programmers, it rose and fell under yet another idiot after another, but that is another story.

    --
    "We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
  55. Real management is hard! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Auto mechanic: At least two years in a trade school with hands-on demonstration of skills; a few years junior mechanic; ASE certification
    Teacher: Four years of college; student teaching; state certification; return for Masters degree
    Lawyer: Three years of intensive study; study under an established firm
    Engineer: Four years of rigorous study, with lengthy calculations and proofs

    Management: Must have mouth, rectum, and demonstrate proclivity to behave like an asshole

    I'm being facetious of course--lots of good people are demoted to management, where even the most kind-hearted fool is corrupted. Management is difficult work when it's done right! Most managers I've encountered are bordering on incompetence, which is why most workers I've met work merely to meet basic compliance, hoping for the end of the day so they can vegetate in front of the the boob tube.

  56. About 15 years ago, but I'll never forget him by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My first day, Monday. I'm being brought around to the other programmers and board designers and introduced. "Hey this is X, he's our new guy in software." Almost every person I met looked up and said "Hi." In the tone of voice you usually use when you find your car has a flat tire. Some didn't even try to shake my hand. Some didn't even look up at me.

    Took me 3 months to find out why everyone was like that. I made some friends there and they finally told me what was up one day while we were at lunch.

    Our manager had a meeting the Friday morning, previous. He told the entire IT staff that he was having some work done on his house over the weekend, and that he would like the entire team to move shingles up to his roof. Right now. And oh yeah, did I forget to mention that all vacation requests have to pass my desk for approval? See you all at my house.

    It gets better, or should I say worse.

    He made them all take a vacation day to do it.

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    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
    1. Re:About 15 years ago, but I'll never forget him by Gilgaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They rolled over for that? Owner of a small business might get away with that, but a manager at a company with HR and other management levels?

    2. Re:About 15 years ago, but I'll never forget him by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2

      Yup, afraid so. A large-ish company with about 3-400 employees making a popular product you probably have heard of if you're into cars.

      It was right after the dot-com bubble burst. If you were in IT you were lucky to be working at all, at least in my neck of the woods anyways. I was laid off when they hired me in and considered myself lucky. It's also the only job I ever quit without giving a two week notice.

      When I quit HR called me in to lecture me about how unprofessional that was. A few months later she also quit without putting in a two week notice. Her and the company's CFO went out drinking margaritas at lunch...and just never came back.

      Everyone has one stain on their resume, that place is mine.

      --
      Weaselmancer
      rediculous.
    3. Re:About 15 years ago, but I'll never forget him by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Huh... well hopefully that guy regrets letting all those folks know where he lives!

    4. Re:About 15 years ago, but I'll never forget him by Fencepost · · Score: 2

      Forget HR, that's where you drop a quick message to whatever email address you have for the corporate attorneys asking "Hey, what's the company's liability if someone is injured when a manager requires that his office staff come to his house and do manual labor carrying packages of shingles up ladders to his roof?"

      Because what he did right there is a multimillion dollar lawsuit waiting to happen, complete with multiple witnesses and probably documentation as well.

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      fencepost
      just a little off
  57. Wonderful to work with, terrible to work for by mtmiller100 · · Score: 1

    About 12 years ago, the company I worked for got bought, and during the integration process, I worked with a guy who would later become my boss. This guy was brilliant, and knew the nuts and bolts of telecom better than anyone I'd ever met (or have ever met since). He was wonderful to work with. He was respectful, helpful, and understanding. After we finished merging our systems, and are going forward as a single business, I get promoted to work under him and had to move to Rochester, NY (new HQ). Working FOR this guy was the worst. From day 1, he was verbally abusive, overly demanding, and was demanding 90-hour weeks, for a salary that was not meeting my basic living expenses in NY state, so I was slowly going into debt during this time, just to pay rent. The last straw was when I came back to my desk from the bathroom, and he was standing there waiting for me. All I did was go pee, and he went into a 20-minute tirade at me, in front of the whole office, about how if he is looking for me, I'd better to hell be at my desk. That weekend, I rented a U-haul, moved back to Charlotte, gave him my notice, and worked it remotely.

  58. Project manager and middle manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a project manager that was supposed to be a team player but asserted dominance and authority over me. Said we would be using the Scrum process, but apparently that means having a daily stand up meeting and then never holding a Sprint meeting and keeping all her plans and decisions to herself. When I expressed my disdain for the level of poor communication I was promptly ignored. When I expressed new ideas to help with the development process I was also promptly ignored. I was hired because of my startup experience and they wanted someone with fresh eyes but then ignored everything I said. Even the recruiter ignored me when I told him this isn't what I expected and I want do to something else. Months later when they finally laid me off for my attitude that no one was willing to talk to me about personally the recruiter said I should have told him I didn't like it there and they could have fixed it. Basically, my managers were making a power play that they were unwilling to share with me and I am not in to that. Looking at you Charles Schwab. Worst corporate experience I could ever imagine.

  59. The Peter Principle by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    The Peter Principle is an observation that the tendency in most organizational hierarchies, such as that of a corporation, is for every employee to rise in the hierarchy through promotion until they reach the levels of their respective incompetence.

    It is real and it causes a lot of problems. People expect promotions, meaning if you are even just slightly interested in your career you expect your boss to promote you at least a few times. And you expect a raise, probably once a year. You expect to make 4-40 times more by retirement than when you started, even if your responsibilities have stayed the same. In general people are either unhappy about being passed over, or end up making more then they are worth and/or with responsibilities they cannot fulfill. Its why a lot of jobs have become temporary or moved overseas. Perhaps Western corporations could hire Western talent, but when 80% of the talent expect to be running the factory by retirement age, and they all expect to be making 10% more in 1-2 years it becomes a lot harder. You hire a Somalian and they pray every night that they can keep their job for the rest of their life, that their salary will not be slashed, and possibly have the ability to hand it off to their son when they die.

    This worked when America was still a developing nation, and demand doubled year in and year out. But expectation has continued to rise year after year as growth has stagnated.

    --
    Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
  60. Re:Open source projects are some of the worst. by damaki · · Score: 2

    Every single attempt I had at creating a new wikipedia page was deleted. So I do not care anymore about the damn thing, got no time for this.
    Wikipedia is not about universal human knowledge, it is about creating knowledge that a moderator accept as valuable according to their own delicate tastes.

    --
    Stupidity is the root of all evil.
  61. Not IT, but dev.... by sconeu · · Score: 1

    It was a small engineering firm, about 10 people total.

    Me and this other dev were at an industry trade show with our boss (who was the owner of the company). We had a demo loop of some of our software running. Then, during some discussions between me, other dev, and the boss, it came out that our demo software was written in a different language than what Boss had thought. Even though we had told him it was written in language X instead of Y.

    Anyways, said boss starts to go off on us, IN OUR TRADE SHOW BOOTH, ON THE FLOOR, where anyone can see. Other dev and I just sat there and took it, but I'm spending the whole time thinking, "Dude, there's a time and a place for everything, and this is not it."

    The day we got home from that trade show was the day I started looking for a new job.

    --
    General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
  62. CFO CIO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was at a company where the CIO was removed and the CFO decided he was smart so he could be a CIO (with 0 IT/Dev experience).
    He then proceeded to tell the department how to design their software. This included changing the design on a hosted web +db solution to hosted web solution but having the DB remote to the web host but local to the customer's site (some customers were actually still on dial up at the time).

    The was the beginning of the nightmare, not the end.

  63. Only one bad boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm close to 50, and as a contractor I've probably had close to 60 or 70 bosses or project managers, on account of working on several projects at a time over the years. Had some good bosses, some not so great ones, but not terrible. You could always talk to them at some level and they seemed to be trying to meet people in the middle.

    Most people I can't even remember, but the one single bad boss was a person who was a COBOL programmer for years and years in some large company I was a contractor for, and now there was a push to modernize the systems, she was 'promoted' to be the project manager of about 30 or 40 people. She had no management experience or even a suitable personality. The project was going well at first, then as the first milestone came about, it turned out we were nowhere near the objectives. So suddenly we had to work every weekend, 4 status meetings a day (last one at 8pm), no vacations allowed, and petty things like our gym privileges suspended (so I guess no one could sneak out for some exercise). Most of the project workers were HB1's so that's why it was so easy to get everyone working under these conditions.

    The weird thing was that the vast majority of the time you'd never see hide or hair of this manager, and then suddenly you would be in her crosshairs, she'd scrutinize everything you're doing, every line of code you wrote, yelling and insulting you to distraction, camping out in your cubicle watching you work, micromanaging you to death. The only way to shake her off was to point out something someone else was doing wrong, and off she'd go to harass that person full time, and you wouldn't see her again for weeks outside of the multiple daily status meetings until it was your turn again. Something like the Halley's Comet of managing. Her personality was just horrible, ranting, screaming, she'd chew gum and in one of her outbursts it would sail off from her mouth and land in the middle of the table. She'd have blamestorming sessions and you'd see several wads of gum in the middle of the table at the end of the meeting.

    The weird thing is that sometimes I'd see her with her old COBOL buddies, and she'd be laughing and chatting and otherwise seem normal. She had a daughter who would sit in her office after school, and I'd see her helping her with her homework and being a good mom. However with the software team she would be this horrible tyrant. I think the horrible tyrant wasn't her real personality, just a persona she thought was an effective project manager.

    Eventually they bought in an outside, experienced crisis manager, she was demoted to 2nd manager, then eventually let go of the project (but not fired from the company, just assigned elsewhere). The crisis manager turned the project around just by being a normal person and letting us work, minimizing meetings, and getting the right people to work together, and we completed the project quickly and went on to other things.

    About that time Ms. Horrible was fired, I walked by her sitting in her car in the parking lot. At first I had a fight-or-flight response and was just about to sprint out of there, but she was just sitting in her car looking really miserable and just staring at nothing. She didn't even register me as I walked right by her window passing between cars. I wanted to feel sorry for her but to be fair, the company didn't do her any favors throwing her into a project she wasn't suited for, she made the situation worse by just being a rotten person as a manager, and the fact someone else was able to complete the project quickly after she left kind of showed that it wasn't the software team that was a problem.

    I don't know what happened to her, but one side effect is that I'm still in touch (after about 15 years) with people on that software team, just on the basis of friendships formed in foxholes. I have pleasant relationships with co-workers on projects that go well, but don't really stay in touch after it's over and we move on, but still hear from my buddies from this one horrible project.

  64. MAH (former) JAHB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I once got fired from a web design company, where I was working as a web designer, because every time the boss came around to snoop over my shoulder, he noticed I had a web browser open to some website, and clearly wasn't doing any work.

    Yes, it was the website I was currently tasked with building and maintaining for the company.

    One of the other employees sent me along news that two days after the idiot boss fired me, he wiped out every computer in the company by forwarding all of the employees a "cool little fireworks app" that showed up in his email, and telling them to run it. The trojan that it contained ate rather well that day.

    After he fired me, he also contested my unemployment by saying that I took too many days off. He failed in this mission, because the unemployment agency noted that I still had all my allotted sick days unused.

    The only thing I miss about that place is the Stewart's Root Beer stand that was just down the street, which made for good lunches.

    1. Re:MAH (former) JAHB by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I once got fired from a web design company, where I was working as a web designer, because every time the boss came around to snoop over my shoulder, he noticed I had a web browser open to some website, and clearly wasn't doing any work.

      I worked at a company where management installed software that allows them to look at any desktop in the company. One day my manager came running over because I had Amazon opened in a web browser on my desktop. He started to telling me that I could be written up for browsing the Internet until he noticed that I had a breakfast burrito from the roach coach in hand. Company policy does allow employees to browse the Internet during breaks. I told him to bugger off. Since the company next door had an open wireless access point, nearly everyone got a PDA to browse the Internet on without alerting management.

  65. She-devil boss from hell by kretara · · Score: 2

    My IT manager at a local hospital was the worst manager that I have had in 30 years of work.

    She was hired to try and increase the number of female managers in the hospitals IT department. She had NO IT experience.

    She was a Major in the National Guard, so we were all treated like idiot privates.

    I was given a task to rewrite some code that calculates drug dosages based on a large number of factors. Manager said this should only take a day or so. I told her it would take 6-8 days.
    Day 3 and the manager is livid that I had not met her timeline and was making her look bad.
    Day 6 and she wrote me up because I insisted on having our pharmacist test my code.
    Day 8 and she writes me again and writes up the pharmacist because we were 'not doing our work correctly' and we were making her look bad. Oh, and testing is not needed if you know what you are doing, so I was to move my code from DEV to PROD immediately. I refused.

    Day 12 and the pharmacy management team for the entire hospital is banging on the new CTO's door in support of the pharmacist and myself.

    Day 12 my manager can no longer write up anyone without direct CTO involvement due to this issue and many others. But, the manager will be retained because of political reasons (hard to fire a female, gay, military vet).

    For the next 5 years, this manager and I fought about timelines, testing and IT practices and procedures.

    In the end, I quit.

    Months later, I get a call from my former manager letting me know that she had changed my exit status to 'do not rehire' from 'ok to rehire'. Tried to fight, but the hospital has access to more and better lawyers than I can hire.

  66. Sorting by Viros · · Score: 1

    So one day my boss (former programmer, now CTO) comes into the office and says "From now on, none of our code should take O(n) or worse time to complete!" My immediate response: "So we're not sorting anything anymore?"

    1. Re:Sorting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Answer: already done.
      With x GB of RAM, no algorithm running on this computer will take more than x*2^43*1 steps, i.e. it's all O(1) !

  67. Too long in the bathroom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe the thinking at the time was to eliminate our extremely competent, cohesive, smart, talented, and fun group, which was doing fairly sophisticated work, and outsource. The method for achieving this goal was not to lay us off, or to face us like human beings and suggest that it might be time to look for other positions externally or internally.

    The method of getting rid of us was to make our jobs absolutely as unpleasant as possible. They began issuing formal write ups for very minor issues, issues which we had no control over, honest mistakes, etc. but they never managed to work up the guts to fire anybody, which would have been preferable. Our work shifted from (extremely and increasingly critical, by the way) engineering work to basic ticket work, a significant part of which supported meaningless and measurably ineffective processes. This did not stop when we went home, and our on-call was often paged in the middle of the night to make changes to these processes.

    If nothing else, it was a tremendous waste of the company's money to have comparatively well paid people doing very menial work.

    Highly educated and competent people were required to provide daily status reports, including detail on how long a particular ticket was worked on, etc. The time required to create the reports was logged on the report by some people, if that is any indication.

    Over the course of 6 months, about 8 out of 12 people left, one without having another job in the middle of the 08 recession. It was at a point where a couple of people in the group's mental health was demonstrably deteriorating.

    After leaving, one of the people who was still there for a time told me about an instance where they were called in to the manager's office to discuss their status report. On the day in question, the person had not eaten lunch and had worked a long day in a company where the office was a ghost town after 4:30. The reason the person was called in? On their status report, the time they logged being in the bathroom, during what should have been lunchtime, seemed excessive to our manager.

  68. Re:Open source projects are some of the worst. by nomadic · · Score: 1

    "You may be joking, but the reality is that open source projects often have some of the worst management around"

    I find that hard to believe. I mean, just because open source programmers are overrepresented by the socially maladjusted loners with chips on their shoulders demographic, you think that translates to bad management?

  69. My worst boss by iamgnat · · Score: 1

    She was never happy that her manager hired her entire team before her. She proved to be very nepotistic in her hiring and promotion practices.

    Two of us had come from the company's tech support org and were paid hourly and it was agreed after everyone settled in we'd sort out the switch to salary (I was 19 and naive). In 8 months in support I had made 33k due to the unlimited over time policy. In the first 2 months in this job I was still putting in similar hours. Her non-negotiable "offer" was $28k because she based it on my hourly rate x 40 rather than what I had actually been working. The other guy didn't milk the overtime nearly as much as I did, but he was similarly screwed.

    She actively did her best to make the original group's life miserable. She crammed 5 of the team into a room made for 2 and I was put out in a bull pen type area. Ultimately I was kicked out of that spot for her sales team (which all ended up fired and a few even got some jail time over cooking their expense reports) and I was given a desk in a hall.

    When I had enough and moved to another group in the company I took a week off between the switch. While I was on vacation I got a call from a friend in HR to ask me what was going on. Apparently she had one form from my new manager with my new info and salary and the next form was from my not-quite-ex boss trying to terminate me. Her response to HR's query was "that's what I thought I needed to file".

    I worked to get the rest of the group over too and only lost one because he just couldn't take her anymore. On the last save we had been working on it for months and she was fighting releasing him tooth and nail. Thankfully we had HR involved in the situation so when she filed a "whoops, I missed this one" to include him the previous week's layoff she shot her "I can't release him because he is critical to the group" argument in the head.

    She then went on to throw her nepotistic hires in front of the bullets that should have taken her out. Ultimately the company was finally rid of her when they spun that group off into a separate company and sold it.

    The last I heard she had left the Tech field and become a Therapist. I feel sorry for anyone that tries to get help from her...

    It's been 20 years since I worked for her and I can still feel my BP go up thinking about her...

    1. Re:My worst boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had a similar situation. Had a new boss put into the chain above me. Never done management before, and was a pretty lousy developer, so it was an obvious move for him. He turned out to be a worse manager than he had been at coding. At year end, he is threatening - loudly - to give me an unsatisfactory rating. Kind of come-down, since the previous year I'd scored a '5', nigh-on impossible in a very large company. So ... started looking. Did a few internal interviews. Nada. Discovered that my manager was blocking them, claiming I was a high-performer, and absolutely indispensable to the team ... to HR. After that info was relayed to me, by one of the numerous others who has wanted to make the offer, I talked to HR, and got the 'block' lifted. Although *that* took some effort. For HR to do anything like this is an admission there is a problem ... and that they haven't dealt with it. Which explains a lot of HRs (in)actions. That manager virtually killed the team, and ended up be shuffled off back to India, where loud, abrasive, and irrational may be a valid management style; not so much in the US.

  70. CEO modified database without telling anyone by d0rp · · Score: 1

    I once had the CEO of the company I was working for at the time change the name of a field in my database table because he didn't like the name I had given it, and didn't tell me or anyone else about the change. I came into work the next day to find that the previously working code was no longer functioning.

    1. Re:CEO modified database without telling anyone by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Geez. How do you even get out of bed in the morning? What a horror.

    2. Re:CEO modified database without telling anyone by d0rp · · Score: 1

      That was over 5 years ago, and thankfully, I didn't work for this person for very long.

    3. Re:CEO modified database without telling anyone by wwphx · · Score: 1

      I had a guy 'who knew databases' change a primary key field from character to numeric, because all the data in it was numbers. The data also had leading zeroes. And it broke the relationship to all the child tables, which he hadn't changed, which had leading zeroes. All of a sudden 'lots of records are missing!'

      It was easy enough to fix, but it took some time to figure out what he did. Naturally he didn't mention the change that he'd done.

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      When you sympathize with stupidity, you start thinking like an idiot.
  71. The manager that gives you more work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My only pet peeve was a manager that would always give me more work to do since I was always at my desk working on something hardware related. She figured that because I wasn't in-front of my computer dealing with emails and software that I could easily set aside my actual work to do other tasks. I eventually requested a transfer to another office out of state where there were no other IT people on site. Having no one breathing down my neck was bliss!

  72. have a few, but easy call for me.... by gosand · · Score: 1

    At a small company in 2005 I was hired as the QA manager, I moved across the country for this small startup that had been around for 6 or 7 years. I was told I would get to hire my team of 7 and build the QA team and processes. For 8 months I was the only QA person and was told I couldn't hire anyone. Then suddenly I was asked why I hadn't hired my team yet. So I started interviewing... requirements were 3-5 yrs experience. Interviewed, made offers, nobody was accepting. As the hiring manager, my boss wouldn't let me in on how much the position paid. When I finally found out, I know why nobody was accepting - $30k. I finally convinced him to increase the salary, and I was able to hire two people. Not 7.

    When I joined the company, my wife was pregnant with our first child. I talked to my boss, and asked if I could take some vacation days / sick days when the baby came. He said of course, that he had kids, and he totally understood. He was genuinely nice about it and I felt better. My wife had the baby, we had to do an emergency c-section, and everything was fine. That was on a Saturday, and I had planned to take the week after off. On Tuesday, the 2nd day I was off, I got a call from a co-worker saying my boss was flipping out, asking where the hell I was, saying I had to be in the office immediately. I said I couldn't and that my wife needed me as we had no family there. I went in on Thursday, and my boss was a total asshole to me. There was nothing urgent going on at all either, he just wanted me there.

    After about a year of putting some kind of QA process with my 2 person team in place at this small company, I was told "You need to automate all of our testing". Then I was told that I could have no budget, couldn't hire any automation people, and had to do it in my spare time without any impacts to other schedules. I explained that it was possible to do, but not with those constraints. I even made some suggestions about how to approach it given those constraints. That wasn't good enough, so I set about busting my ass trying to do it. I was working 60+ hours a week, and making some headway. Two months later a new product manager was hired, and I was told to train him on our product as well. I came in the Monday after a long July4th weekend, and I couldn't log in. Then I was called into the conference room and was fired. I had a bad attitude, and when I was told to do something I should just say "yes". I calmly explained that what they asked me to do wasn't possible, and that's when I found out that the "product manager" I trained was my replacement, and he was going to take my position and do that automation. I said "I guarantee you that he won't".

    I kept in touch with friends there. Three months later, the new QA manager was fired. They promoted the first person I hired to manager. She wasn't happy about it. She was fired after a month, followed by the rest of the QA team. Within a year the entire company folded. The promised IPO never happened, the multi-millionaire president-and-founder slunk back to his mansion, and the executives [my boss included] went on to other shady ventures.

    I learned a lot there, but it was all mostly how NOT to be a manager.

    --

    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  73. "You're hired! Seeya!" by nerdonamotorcycle · · Score: 1

    Not a sign of a bad manager, but kind of a pair of horror stories:

    Twice in the last five years I've been hired by a manager I got along great with during the interview process, only to be informed during my first few days that this person had resigned and his departure from the company was imminent. In my current role it meant that I was the lone person on my team left in the Boston office, with the rest of the team in an office thousands of miles away. In a role I was hired for five years ago, I was brought into a role I didn't have the skill set for, with the promise that I'd be given training to fill it. With the manager's departure, that promise was broken, and it was obvious that his replacement, who arrived some months later, expected someone in the role who actually knew how to do the job, and had no desire or intention of training someone.

    I can hardly blame someone for leaving for greener pastures, but, both times, it's certainly left me in a difficult position. I'm someone who values good working relationships with people, and, in both cases, the loss of promising relationships with a manager has subtracted significant appeal from the job.

    On a serious note, how do I avoid this in future roles? After the first time it happened, I joked that I should ask prospective managers, "Do you still see yourself at this company in six months?", but now I'm seriously thinking about asking that.

  74. Here's three by whitroth · · Score: 1

    I had a manager, back in the eighties, who accused me of plagerism, then got rid of me... after I proposed and built a d/b system that they couldn't buy... but having made major changes in the specs, when I was nearly done resulted in it taking twice as long to complete.

    Oh, and did I mention that they had it all done in compiled basica?

    Ah, yes, then there was Ameritech, the former, now swallowed Baby Bell. I worked for them '95-'97, in a startup division that was going to be their entry in the long distance sweepstakes. First, halfway through, in ''96, Dick Notebeart, CEO, sent down notices to all of us who weren't union that we were to write letters to our Congresscritter and Senator to support deregulation. AND HE DEMANDED copies of the letters. No, no, he's not threatening our jobs if we don't, no, no... BULLSHIT. And then there were the insane hours (my late wife started semi-joking threatening to sue them for alienation of affection), the demands by the idiot architecture team that none of the other 26 projects had any say in, but had to meet, and they provided *nothing* to support us.... and then, after two years, and about three quarters of a BILLION dollars, they shut the project down, it was too hard, as Barbie said....

    And my last: the manager from the City of Chicago, who, after the project was working well, started arranging to get rid of the VAR who built it, so that he was the only one who knew it.... He did get criminally charged, about 6 years later.

    1. Re:Here's three by Revek · · Score: 1

      I remember ameritech. When it was consumed by the new AT&T they put a freeze on new orders. I had a order for that day and told them I had called the state public service commission about them not giving me enough warning about the freeze. They sent a guy out to turn the circuit up. Four years later I learn that we had never been billed for it. They did it without putting it in the system. It's not often you get use the rule book on a telco and I cherish the memory.

  75. His own misanthropic world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a boss that was clearly clinically disturbed - paranoid to the point where he had hacked a a version of Windows XP to have his own special security provisions (which made Microsoft patches impossible) and then ran it for years after the organization itself had moved on to modern releases. The rest of us felt he was the biggest weakness in our security environment (and possibly was the source of at least one network attack). He also refused to acknowledge any contribution from any of his department, claiming all the successes as his own and blaming all the failures (real or perceived) on his people. A self-proclaimed genius who spent most of his time either holed up at his desk (looking at other peoples email we presumed) or finding reasons to talk to a few of the top managers. Every other manger would go to great lengths to avoid dealing with him, which if unavoidable would subject them to withering disdain and aggressive brush-back questions on tangential issues of little relevance to demonstrate their total idiocy. For senior managers with no technical acumen it must have looked like the managers and users were unreasonable clods. In fact, it was a dog and pony show conducted with flame throwers, razor blades and chain saws. Morale and retention in his department was abysmal. Apparently he was able to get away with his explanation that "you just can't get good people" and as far as I know he's still there.

  76. http://ten.thecomicseries.com/comics/3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://ten.thecomicseries.com/comics/3

  77. Egomaniac who liked to make outrageous claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Former boss used to proclaim that he could "do that in 15 minutes" regardless of the size of the task. He also used to host morning standups where he berated each developer in turn, letting them know why what they were doing was done poorly and why if they did it his way it would be the best. He was without a doubt the best demotivatonal speaker I've ever met. Funny enough he thought that he was motivating everyone to do a better job.

    I should also mention that he used to berate a team of senior developers about how their coding skills were poor, when his programming skills were at the level of a first year university student who was still learning to program hello world.

  78. Here is when I stopped giving a shit. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
    I was service manager for a 8 employee company, owned by 3 partners, one of which was my boss (but not the founder).

    My boss was out, so the founder told me to go to a client’s and bring back their dot-matrix printer (this was long ago) so we can fix it.

    So I head to the client’s, 50 km away. Over there, I look at the printer, and diagnosed the problem and fixed it in 10 seconds.

    I then test it, show it to the client, who is totally thrilled.

    I go back to the office.

    — Where is the printer, the big (but not mine) boss asks?

    — Oh, I fixed it over there, to the customer’s satisfaction.

    — What? I told him we would bring the printer here! Now he’s going to think we can’t keep our word!

    And this is the story of when I stopped giving a shit about my job.

    When the company folded 2 months later, I did not give a shit either. And I was glad to no longer having a 3 hour commute.

  79. This one stands out. by TheStickBoy · · Score: 1

    I worked for a large international company in one of the many IT departments. After 1 year of work the department was outsourced to India and everyone laid off. (that's another story)
    Since I was one of the top 10 performing employees in the old department we got an opportunity to join another smaller IT department.
    The lay off was a surprise I was young, I needed a pay cheque so I took it.

    I later found out my new managers husband was a company director (red flag?)
    After a few months I was unhappy with the new type of work, it just wasn't similar to the job I first signed up for.
    On top of this the manager gossiped, literally whispered behind peoples backs, not just about me but others. She also made some vindictive decisions that
    impacted employees like new 5am start times.
    I found another job and politely gave 2 weeks notice in writing.
    On returning to my desk I was asked to leave immediately with security escort.
    This was very unusual and I know now my manager was try to make some kind of show. I shrugged it off.

    Since I had made friends I kept in touch with old coworkers.
    A few months after I left I got a phone call from an old coworker asking if I had been coming back to the old place of work.
    I said no and asked why.
    He said my old manager had been talking to each employee telling them to look out because I was "...seen in the parking lot with a pipe".
    !
    I'm not making this up or exaggerating. So she was trying to smear me as some kind of violent ex-employee.

    To this day I have no idea what she had against me but since she treated other employee the same I suspect it wasn't me but her that had issues.
    It took me many months to get over this. I don't think she knows how much it hurt.

    A year or two later I heard she was removed from her position for skewing statistics in her favour. She moved to another department.

  80. Could Be Worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could be worse. I had a boss who went from being an IT staffer to an IT manager. That individually successfully managed to integrate recursion with the micro-management leadership style.

  81. Re:"You're hired! Seeya!" by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

    Seems fair to ask if they like working there and where they see themselves.

  82. Too many stories by wwphx · · Score: 1

    For one of them I got a t-shirt from Shark Tank! But I'm not going to write about that one, it'd take too long.

    Boss 1 (very early '90s): we're holding a rare all-hands meeting on a Thursday or Friday (small dept, 8 people or so, tops), and I'm starting a two week vacation that weekend. Whole purpose of the meeting was for Boss to say that when I get back from vacation, I'll no longer be the LAN admin, I'm going to work with Bob doing COBOL programming, and Dave is going to take over as LAN admin for Finance. I came within an inch of saying 'Fuck you, Larry, I quit. I'll be in tomorrow to clean out my desk.' Larry hadn't said a word to me in advance about this change, never a whisper of it. While I could do COBOL, I much preferred doing FoxPro and managing the LAN. And I knew Dave couldn't handle doing everything for Finance. Over my vacation I thought about it and I decided to wait it out. I started showing Dave everything that I did for Finance, and he was quickly lost. Nothing further was discussed, nothing changed, and I never wrote a line of code with Bob. And people in Finance wept when I left because they knew they were now at the tender mercies of Larry.

    Boss 2, which predated Larry. I had been hired (mid '80s) to create a merge document in a word processing package for creating retirement plan contracts. Awesome job, got me out of a lousy job. Eventually that job transitioned to running the billing system, maintaining the PCs, etc. It then evolved to create a reporting system in dBase III for the canned accounting package to produce better and prettier reports. My boss, the office manager, hired her husband to come in as Senior IT, and he clearly had little knowledge of micros. Eventually my boss told me that I was being put back in to doing word processing, which led me to find another job. One of the programs that I'd written was for producing 1099 forms as they were required whenever a pension plan did a distribution. Okidata Microline 93 printer, continuous form feed of multi-part pre-printed forms, dBase III (boss's hubby wouldn't let me use FoxPro because 'I might get hit by a bus'), and some very specific formatting code like microline advance to make the database info line up with the pre-printed form. In the code were comments that said "DO NOT ADJUST THE CODE IN THIS BLOCK OR YOU'LL BREAK THE FORMATTING!" You couldn't miss it. He touched the code, apparently didn't have a backup, broke the code, and they were never able to print the forms again.

    Boss 3 (actually management above my boss was the problem): Working at a school, appeared to be a good job, I'd spent over two years developing a very nice database system for them. It was complete, worked great, just needed final deployment. Costs for software and hardware had already been paid. Everyone there is on an annual contract: all teachers, all staff. Then the administration decided not to renew my contract. Zero complaints about my work, excellent reviews, never called in to an office to discuss something bad that I'd done, and the project was complete. The project was never deployed: complete waste of time and money. At least I got to mothball it so that it could be brought back with a few weeks work if a more intelligent type of administrator is found (highly unlikely). They later told my boss that I had been hired on a temporary basis for the project. Funny how the fact that it was a temporary role was never mentioned in my interview. Or on-boarding process. Or annual review. Or contract renewal. Or to either of my bosses (the one who hired me retired a year later).

    Boss 4. Working for a moderately-sized city. The storage admin, who 'knew all', didn't want me backing up the ERP system (180 gig or so a that time, growing at about 5% per month) using SQL Server's transaction log and database backups. He said the SAN backups would capture it all. Finally a meeting was called with Boss, SAN admin, and me. I lost, and I turned off SQL Server backups on that instance as inst

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    1. Re:Too many stories by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      Oh man! Good times. I had an experience very similar to your #4.

      I was a consultant for a securities group, doing PC maintenance for college money on the side. Owner was a know-it-all type. He had a Novell 3.11 server holding all his corporate data. Ran out of room, so he had me span a second disk onto his virtual volume. I wasn't a Novell expert but I gave it a go. It was my first time on this particular system. I explained to him how this created another point of failure, you need to do backups, and so on. And soon, because the other drive was "singing". You know the sound, the sound of a platter drive that's getting ready to die.

      I talked him into buying a tape drive. Did they ever use it? No. I made a script to make it easy. One command. Still no.

      His PC had a tape drive. I set that to automatically back up the Novell server after hours. He figured it out and disabled it.

      One day they get a card in the mail. It was the local power company. "We will be performing line maintenance for your block at 10am a week from now. Please turn off all of your electronic equipment while we perform our maintenance."

      I'm sure you know how this story ends. =)

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      Weaselmancer
      rediculous.
    2. Re:Too many stories by wwphx · · Score: 1

      Oh, I certainly know what happened next! Spanning was never a good idea, but sometimes it was the only tool that we had.

      The funny thing was that when I was at #1, they had two Wang mini-computers. And no power protection. We'd get summer monsoon rains, and there was invariably power interruptions, and invariably some board or another in the Wangs had blown up. I had mega-UPS backup on my 3Com LAN long before the Wangs had protection. One day I was walking in to the building and the Finance manager jumped me: "The LAN is down!" The 3Com servers were on the first floor, the actual computer room was on the 4th, which was where my office was. I walk in and look at the servers, and they appear happy. I connect through a console computer next to the servers, and everything seems fine, but no one is signed on. I go up to my office, and I can't connect. I go in to the computer room. My hub (didn't have switches, those were too expensive!) was located on top of its UPS underneath a modem rack for the Wangs. A storm had hit the previous night, and the operators had started switching off the modems. And continued down and powered off my hub for the 3Com network. Powered it back on, and all was well.

      I remember once, over a holiday weekend, they shut down the power to the building for maintenance. They didn't tell me, so I didn't power down the LAN. Finance manager arrives early Monday: power is still out. But the UPS system for the 3Com servers are beeping away 'Excuse me, but you're on battery power!' and the servers were happily ticking away, though no one else had power to their computers in order to connect. All weekend long they'd kept the servers up. As I recall, it was a pair of 1500 or 3000 watt systems. Gorgeous, and weighed a tonne.

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    3. Re:Too many stories by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      SQL Server's transaction log and database backups. He said the SAN backups would capture it all.

      DBA here....this always drives me up the wall. I can't stand relying on third-party backup solutions. All of these vendors promise the world, but in every situation you end up with something that is more expensive, takes longer to backup, and can't recover data.

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    4. Re:Too many stories by wwphx · · Score: 1

      Yep. First thing that I did when I started that job was disable all the backup agents, and things improved tremendously, not to mention saving a lot of dollars from the annual licensing. I would probably trust Redgate's backup solution, but in no job have I ever had the budget for third-party tools of any sort. I wrote tons of code for monitoring and managing my servers in Perl and T-SQL, one of these days I'll start seeing about doing them in Powershell, I just haven't gotten to it yet.

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      When you sympathize with stupidity, you start thinking like an idiot.
    5. Re:Too many stories by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      Litespeed for SQL Server was really nice (from Imceda, then Quest, then Dell, and I think back to Quest again). Back in the SQL 2000 days it was the best solution for doing compressed backups in SQL Server, but there's isn't much need for it now that compression is a standard feature included with SQL Server.

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  83. Re:"You're hired! Seeya!" by wwphx · · Score: 1

    Exact same thing happened to me! Hired by A, and his last day at that org was my last day at my previous employer. Now managed by B, whom I'd never met. And B turned out to be grossly incompetent. Fortunately long ago and the nightmares have mostly stopped. ;-)

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  84. Frat boy by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 1

    I got hired by a little bitty part of a large networking company. They did Token Ring (yeah, I know, but hey, it was decent money). The larger company was doing well, and was buying up small companies for their technology. Fine. The guy running the division was good. My boss, though, was a bit of a young Turk. Lots of book knowledge, some talent, but not a great deal of experience. He had been the division manager's head engineer before I was hired. When I came in, he moved up from doing design to managing me.

    This was OK for a while, but I started to notice that he was all about time and deliverables, and not very much about doing things right. Sort of a cowboy.

    Example 1: He developed a Xilinx part, using schematic input. Fine, it worked, but he asked me to add some features to it. Part was about 75% utillized, but what I had to add wasn't too much, and it looked doable (and we wanted to stay in the same size part). This was in the days where development tools were in their infancy, and Xilinx's wasn't particularly good. So, it ran out of resources. I played with it for a while, then frat boy boss came by and asked me why it wasn't done yet. I told him I was having problems getting the part to route. Oh, he says, just go into the part editor and add the routes by hand. So, I ask -- how do we know the part matches the schematic? Never mind that, he says...

    Example 2: Same company, a year later. Networking giant has merged us in with another company they just bought, and since the new acquisition has 10 more people, we become a part of them. Guy who hired me, leaves in a huff, because he's now second fiddle to the guy who runs the new acquisition...and he leaves BEFORE doing any of the reviews. We find this out, when nobody gets a raise. Someone calls the giant networking company HR and complains. After a month of concerned mumblings, the answer comes down: no raises, your boss didn't do any reviews before he left, sorry.

    Example 3: Another project, I'm designing a PLD to parse the source routing field on a Token Ring (yeah, still) packet and direct it to the appropriate port on a bridge. I thought it might be prudent to model and simulate my design in Verilog, before choosing a part. Remember how IDE's were, back in the 90s? So I do a behavioral design, demonstrate that it works, then start trying to find a vendor with an IDE that works and will take Verilog input, and generate Verilog output with timing information from the compiled and fitted design. I discover that a lot of companies SAY they can do this, but some of them are mistaken. Remember, we're running these IDEs on 486's here. End of the year, design works, review time. I figure I'll get a pat on the back for initiative, producing a working design and identifying a good IDE to use on the next design. Nope. Boss's boss (head software guy from the larger company) gives the review. Wants to know why I didn't do the design in Abel, and why it took so long. (This is like asking why you used C, when you could have done the job with BASIC or assembly). I was speechless.

    Conclusion: There are a lot of f'ed up and a-hole managers out there, and even more companies who don't give a crap about their employees.

    I now work for a design consultancy who DOES value good designers.

  85. Never his fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My ex-boss was never wrong. If someone ever pointed out that he made a mistake, he would explain, loudly, that it was because someone else failed to do something-or-other. He was so sure that he was always right and that anyone else's mistake (real or not) was unforgivable that he'd have weekly sessions with one of my teammates in the server room (so the noise would drown out his bellowing) which would leave that guy wiping off tears on his way out. My boss was a monster.

    I was tasked with coordinating the repairing/updating of a big and complex classroom. It involved projectors, TV's, a mixed-minus sound system, multiple ties into other A/V areas outside the room, etc. The project cost was close to my yearly paycheck, so it was a bit of a big deal. It was also supposed to complete before the end of the year.

    I filtered out 2 vendors and had a detailed parts and work quote for the third on the boss's desk in early October. He didn't want to be bothered with it yet. He said that we have plenty of time. I was still in at least twice a week asking if he wants to go over it and sign off on it so we can get the job scheduled. Excuse after excuse. When the vendor emailed in November and early December saying that they need a signature to start work if we want it done by the end of year deadline, he said that they were bluffing and that they'd be working within a few days of the approval.

    He finally signed in late December. The earliest work could start was in early February. When it was done, the vendor very appropriately sent an email to me, my boss and some other higher level people who were interested. My boss's reply to everyone including some peers and other people above me) was that they did a good job but he's disappointed that I didn't get the project in gear soon enough to get it done by the stated deadline.

    I don't think I've ever yelled at anyone like that in my life and I love my new job.

  86. Re:Open source projects are some of the worst. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Last time I added a page, it was improved before I could turn my laptop around and show it to the person I made it for. (I'm not being sarcastic here, as the change was a clear improvement. I just didn't expect it to happen that fast.)

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    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  87. Sniff test not 100% clean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Few things:
    1) No one can directly hire a spouse for a job and especially underneath themselves without running afoul of federal hiring laws--they would have to recuse themselves. Further, GS 14-15 are considered high grade and the hiring decision must be made by a panel that isn't even allowed to speak to the candidates. This holds even for SES's that make the final hiring decision. (SES's can't overturn CFR's)

    2) If it was a contract(or), the SES spouse would still have to recuse themselves. There's additional severe questions when contractors have any kind of power over federal employees (can't hold direct power, current efforts underway trying to limit contractors for sponsor agencies that hold purse-string power over other federal groups as is still happening now)

    3) You can't get hired up 4 levels without a lot of extra items showing up in your resume that excuse you from a "one-level promotion followed by 12 months in-grade" requirement. This would throw tons of red flags.

    Now, friendships that result in lucrative jobs are more of an issue, but either this happened long ago (1990's or before) or someone outta call the OSC / IG's office quick.

    1. Re:Sniff test not 100% clean by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      1) No one can directly hire a spouse for a job and especially underneath themselves without running afoul of federal hiring laws--they would have to recuse themselves. Further, GS 14-15 are considered high grade and the hiring decision must be made by a panel that isn't even allowed to speak to the candidates. This holds even for SES's that make the final hiring decision. (SES's can't overturn CFR's)

      He didn't say the boss's boss was her spouse, just another government employee - could have been at a different agency entirely.

    2. Re:Sniff test not 100% clean by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      They were not in the same line of management. Story was, she got accepted in to a "Management Development Program" that included a promotion. Shortly AFTER returning from the honeymoon.

      And you might have noticed that I said it required a clearance and it had to be transferred. I am being purposely vague, but there's only one part of Club Fed that works that way. . . and the rules are different, there. . .

      Oh, and the IG did get called in, but on a different issue with this mangler. . .

  88. Not Quite So Horrible As The Some Here... by Tempest_2084 · · Score: 1

    I really haven't had a boss that was as bad as most of the posts here, but what I have encountered is 'overseas boss'. My current boss is over in India so getting in touch with him is nearly impossible most of the time. Normally this would mean that I'd go to his boss for emergency approvals and other things that can't wait, but his boss is also in India. This makes getting anything approved in a timely fashion nearly impossible. Thankfully the US office has learned to manage themselves to the point that one of my co-workers just pretends to be our boss when it comes to approving things. Our real boss doesn't seem to care and we can actually get stuff done.

    Morale is definitely suffering though as the US team seems to be getting left out of more and more decisions. I'm guessing I'll be training my replacement how to kindly do the needful in a few years.

  89. My worst boss ever, by far. by Terje+Mathisen · · Score: 1

    This is a true story, it happened to me 10-15 years ago:

    At that time I had a very independent role as the main IT troubleshooter for a large (75K employees in 70+ countries) international company, I ran my own group doing this, but company policy required me to have a manager who would be responsible for signing any travel expense reports and handle my year-end evaluation talk.

    I knew going into that interview that I had a _lot_of very happy (internal) customers, with a 98+% solving rate for all the issues my group had gotten, so I was expecting a good review, and things started well:

    "Terje, as we both know you don't really work for me so I had to talk to some of your corporate customers and they were very happy indeed! In fact, according to them we should probably put up a bronze statue of you outside the main office building."

    (Yes, this means a huge raise right?)

    "However, since you don't actually do any work for me directly I have given you a zero rating so that I can use the entire salary allocation for my own people."

    At that point I just stood up, said "I don't think we have anything else to discuss" and walked over to the HR department and told them to find me a new manager.

    Needless to say it took me a few years to recover the raise I should have gotten that year. :-(

    Terje

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  90. Me Mostly by joboss · · Score: 1

    I think any potentially good boss should be able to list their own mistakes and imperfections, however I will spare those stories for a more private audience.

    I would probably say the worst I had was one who went overboard with time management. I joined a project that was a one man team originally. The other guy was a great developer. He had been working on the project himself for at least a year so he had the privilege of knowing the codebase well. The writer's privilege is that you tend to remember the codebase well and intuitively being that you wrote it. It's also more in sync with your natural style and thinking. This meant that I couldn't do tasks as quickly especially as there were also things in the technology stack that I had to learn. At this point the project was also close to release but stuck in the stage of fixing a release date to be next week but things dragging on for longer.

    Anyway the boss was extreme into time management. He didn't only give me a number of tasks but also specified how long each was to take based on the performance of the other pre-existing developer on the project. When I say he specified how long each task should take I don't mean something like a days work but it would be things such as 15 minutes, 1 hour, etc. He was a decent guy but his time management was extreme. I was confronted with that quite early on without much opportunity to work at a natural pace and increase overtime as I became more aware of my surroundings in the code. I was effectively being raced with the other developer.

    I responded pretty badly to this and was inexperienced only working in a single environment beforehand. Rather than question it or negotiate I actually tried to stick to the time limits and not leave anything to the next day. I appreciated the time sensitivity but when you have a new developer you really need to work according to a curve. The first tasks will take disproportionately long because of the learning curve. This meant for the first task for example it was a desperate rush to get it working that forewent a lot of the learning. I ended up cutting corners, missing things, etc. It meant everything for the whole day had to be done at an extreme pace. There often wasn't time to double check everything, a lot of things based on unconfirmed assumptions and really not an entirely pleasant outcome.

    I'm not sure it was only me. I could see that while the situation was much better for the existing developer there did seem to be some issues arising from the rapid pace. A lot of the tasks and bugs I found myself fixing looked like they wouldn't have arisen if things hadn't have been rushed. There had been a few places where sacrificing the future for the present was beginning to hit home. I wouldn't say the experience was completely fruitless as I learnt a lot quickly but it also started to really burn me out. I also kept getting bounced from area to area with the tasks rather than getting to learn each in depth which didn't entirely help.

  91. All of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every boss with an agenda to ascend in the hierarchy did so by hook and crook.

  92. Bad Boss by da_Den_man · · Score: 1

    Working for Software company as Tech Support Manager (Team of 13). Ask for Raises teamwide due to success of release and told "No Money for raises, all have to knuckle down" It was right as he finished the sentence that a brand new vehicle was delivered to the area we were at (Smoking area in parking lot), and the fellow parks the expensive European sports car and shouts "All ready for ya sir!!"

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  93. Crazy Julie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to work for a woman who had absolutely no life outside of work. She was divorced and moved from Florida to Houston about 5 months before I started the job. At first everything went well, but then the CTO decided to oversell and over commit a huge project to Wells Fargo. My manager could not delegate or manage anything. She would sit on conference calls for hours, trying to understand every minute detail and would get very "excited" and snippy over perceived slights from other managers or members of her own team. She even had LASIK at some point and the doctor told her not to go to work or stare at the computer screen for a few days. Her solution was to join conference calls and make people describe to her what people were seeing on the WebEx.

    She would brag to the CTO and other upper management that she could get her team to work endless (unpaid) overtime, and at the same time would try and act like she was everyone's best friend. Eventually I tried to switch to a different team who's manager was very excited about me joining his team. The next day he basically told me that she threw a shit fit about him stealing people from her team. During my review I directly asked her what possible directions my career path could take me at the company to which she replied that after another 5 years I could move up to the next tier of the same position. I resigned about two months later, and she didn't speak to me throughout my final two weeks.

  94. Friday Opposite Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, I'd really like to see one of these types of posts pose the opposite question: Ask Slashdot "What is your awesome IT Boss story?"

  95. The biggest boss of them all by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    We still have this boss unfortunately, we have yet to escape him. The only thing that makes it bearable is that half of his crap can be ignored, his requirements are poorly written, and when he makes a decision it's like the decision doesn't actually have any impact on the problem he's trying to solve.
    He openly bragged about sexually assaulting women and that's okay because he was in a position of power. He's an egotistical maniac who puts his name on everything. He keeps proposing these huge projects like building massive structures that just won't work and will be too expensive to solve the made up problem we don't have. He also acts like a child and nothing he says makes sense.

    Stupid part is if he didn't have the support of only just enough key players in our organisation he never would have gotten the position in the first place. Fortunately his tenure is limited to another 2 years (if he still has the support he needs) or 5 years if he doesn't. I just hope our country doesn't go completely tits up in that time.

    errr did I say country? I meant department, yes totally meant department.

  96. We don't need... by purple_cobra · · Score: 1
    ...no steenking UPS!

    I used to work as network admin for a small web-hosting company. The guy who owned that company also owned a cybercafe and I was expected to deal with all the problems there too. Anyway, I go in one morning and he proudly shows me this light-up sign that looks like he's found it in a skip. We had no UPS on the web servers, despite me repeatedly asking him to buy one, so I ask him not to plug this thing in until he's at least tested it with a multimeter; he knows how to do this, so I think it'll be safe to leave him in the building on his own when I left work later that day.

    I go in the next morning and he's flapping around the place like a chicken with its head cut off because all the power is out. It transpires he'd plugged the damn thing in and turned it on just before I'd arrived, flipping the breaker and after I'd corrected that, the Sun box subsequently shit itself on reboot. A Red Hat box slowly went through its recovery boot while I babysat that other PoS; this was a long time pre-ZFS so it required some careful prodding to get it working again. I eventually get it all up and running after several hours, then made him promise not to plug it in again and to *buy a UPS* so *when* the power failed, I wouldn't have to do this again.

    You can guess what happened the following morning: the blithering idiot had done it again, allegedly after "testing and repairing" it. We were a couple of floors up so I suggested he take a walk while I repaired it in case I kicked him through the window. I'm not a big bloke and seldom believe violence is the answer to any problem, so he goes for a walk in full knowledge that I am very angry indeed at having this entirely preventable problem occur twice in the space of two days.

    A couple of days later I sign for delivery of two shiny new UPSs.

    Then there was the time I was accused of stealing from a safe I'd refused to accept the code for. I walked out not long after that, unsurprisingly.

  97. Comic Sans Review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once upon a time my performance review was held over my head like the Sword of Damocles. Management-speak was uttered in comic sans. Interestingly enough the several longest serving employees are a cohort who have had the same sword hanging over them for quite some time now...

  98. Boss's son by kaatochacha · · Score: 2

    Years ago, I worked as the sole IT guy for a small company business , involved in the Hard drive industry.
    The bosses son was a manager in the company, terrible hothead and an idiot to boot, but really tall, strong and had a black belt.
    He once threw a hammer through a wall because he was mad, just missing hitting another employee with it. He also cried to his father about the employees not liking him. Literally, cried behind closed doors. The secretary heard and couldn't stop laughing.

    Anyway...myself and the engineering designers used to play Quake at lunch,the only reason we were allowed to was because after he found out, he had to play as well.
    He was one of those guys who would fume if he lost, but gloat whenever he won. He also had the fastest computer at the time.
    One day, tired of his march of triumph and having him point his finger at me shouting "you suck, I won, frag!" over and over, I went into his office and slowed his graphics card down. Since quake was the only thing we used that even remotely taxed the graphics system, he only noticed it when playing the game. Which resulted in his session being "stutter stutter stutter frag". Over and over and over.
    He immediately started screaming, which we could all hear through every office, shouting "wait, wait , this isn't fair!". Finally, he comes storming into my office and screams at me "I know you did this, I know it was you! You broke my computer!!!"
    Fearing for my life, I bluffed "Wait, you mean I secretly went into your office, broke your computer but left it still partially functional, just so you could lose at Quake and I'd have to fix it later? I risked my job just so you could lose the game? Do you really think I'm that unprofessional?" Of course I was!
    I guess I snowed him, because I ended up going back to his office later that day and spent THREE HOURS OF OVERTIME making one simple change.
    The quake games ended shortly thereafter, because every time someone lost they'd begin shouting "Wait, wait this isn't fair!" and he got pissed off.

  99. Allied Telesis Labs. by jondeanmack · · Score: 0

    My boss, when I was at Allied Telesis Labs, while beside his boss, said to me: "As far as you are concerned he (pointing to his boss) is God.". Suffice to say I left with a smile and the delusionals are still in business today. Reminds me of that song, "Everybody wants to rule the world" by the band "Tears for fears".

    1. Re:Allied Telesis Labs. by jondeanmack · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, it was me that was smiling.

  100. office size and furntiure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is true for most large companies. There is a facilities handbook that says what furniture is provided at what levels, a catalog from which you may select one (or two, if sufficiently high paygrade) pictures for the wall, etc.

    It is even in Office of Personnel Management procedures which flow down to other government agencies in the form of square foot guidelines, etc.

  101. On Topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AC is my boss, he's like this all the time...

  102. Worse boss ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Worse boss I ever had, after the founding boss left, was a manipulating jerk that enjoyed micromanagement and thought that just being the boss, meant he could insult his employees.
    He also did not understood any aspect of the business and the industry we were in.
    Is idea of faking profits was not doing the necessary investment to skew numbers comparing them to the previous management.

  103. I was that horrible boss by anchovy_chekov · · Score: 1

    Through the gradual process of being promoted to "senior" developer, team lead, architect, etc, I found myself in the fantasy world of senior management.

    I was told, in 360 reviews, that my "management by sarcasm" approach was, while effective, making other people afraid to step out of line. The demands of the role on my work / lifestyle balance - only sleeping 5 hours a day and working pretty much every other moment - left me angry, tired and ultimately seriously ill. My kids started calling me "grumpy Dad".

    I'd become everything I hated...

    ... so I quit.

    I took a huge pay cut to go back to what I loved: coding. I refuse to be promoted to management or leadership roles. I do what I enjoy, every single day. Sure, there's things I miss. But getting back my relationships with my kids, my wife - rebuilding my health and sanity - is the greater reward.

  104. Fortran fan by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    We were coding in Pascal but the boss only knew Fortran so we were limited to data structures available in that language.

  105. Boss who didn't understand the concept of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I once worked for a guy who routinely booked me to be on-site at two customers at the same time. When I finally gave notice, my last week I told him, "You've asked me to complete two tasks, consisting of 80 hours of work, in 40 hours." His response: "Why can't you just split your time 50/50 and get them both done?"

  106. 12 people in the same permanent position in a year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was at a small (but global) Internet business called Careerjet. It was founded and by two close long-time friends who ran it like their little kingdom. One of them was actually a nice guy (let's call him A) who handled the techincal side of things, and the developer hiring (which is how I got into that mess). His partner (let's call him B) had no clue about IT, but pretty much ran the business. B apparently thought he has no reason to be professional or respectul to anyone, but his partner. Working with him was like dealing with an angry petulant child obsessed with proving his power and "intelligence". I was fired from there in about three months which was long enough to see a few collegues disappear. A year later I ran into a developer who managed to stay there for a whole year before leaving, and here comes the punch line:

    They had TWELVE people in my position in that single year. I kid you not, twelve people in a year the same permanent role! Some left after the first meeting with B (he wasn't involved in hiring developers, for obvious reasons.) It was 6 years ago and the business is still operating.

  107. Re: let the director have her way.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My lady director moved our next version product development to another site (not India) who were college grads, who were trained by us and had no knowledge about enterprise software. We had put in 5yr worth of industry knowledge. I protested the bad decision, since we were left with support of old versions. The next appraisal got me the lowest grades. She-you did not take any Java interviews. Me-You have not scheduled any interviews and Iam not a java guy. She-you should have asked for interview candidates. We did not schedule java interviews for you since you dont know java. Me (in my head I dont know surgery also so you cannot ask me interview doctors) There is email from you that there is a company wide freeze on recruitment. She-you shoul work on enhancement feature as am intiative. Me-You told in meetings that all new features are shelved and do not work privately on any thing. The HR agreed with her view and I quit. After a month She was fired.

  108. My father ran construction crews for decades. by dbreeze · · Score: 1

    His greatest advice to me on being a boss...? "You'll always lead a man further than you'll push him."

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    When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
  109. Not an IT story, but... by tbuskey · · Score: 1

    I was working for a project that had a large device that cost millions, driven by software & electronics. After data was gathered by the device, it was transferred to a datacenter system for analytics which was also part of the project. It was severely parallelized. Without the analytics, the hardware was just a sensor.

    The head of the project was a mechanical engineer. The project meetings were about 10 minutes on the analytics, 40 on the hardware (not electronics!) and 10 on the embedded software & electronics.

    The two people doing the analytics found a bug and brought it up during the meeting. The head berated them for "creating a bug" in the same manner as yo'd berate someone for machining a hole in the hardware that's off the blueprint's spec by inches when it's supposed to be within hundredths.

    Later, they moved their lab into another building and wanted to physically move the rack of computers from the data center across the parking lot to the lab. They were older (6+ years) and not on a support contract. They were servers and they never needed to even plug cables in. We told them things would probably not work after that and they'd probably lose drives. They forced my coworkers to move it anyways.

    So it didn't work after rolling across the lot. The drives were fine, but cpu boards didn't work. Naturally, it was our fault and they wanted heads to roll. A support contract was purchased (by IT, not the project) that was probably more $$ than the original cost and it was fixed. The whole process took their systems (including development) down for 2 months.

    I was happy when, during an all-hands meeting (300+ people), it was announced the head was removed to another project to be a staff engineer (vs principal). IMO he should have been fired like he tried to do to my coworkers.

  110. Clientside douche. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so I get promoted to doing clientside work, and I step into a project thats 2 years overdue. within a month I'm promoted to lead integrator; I hustle everyones code base into a usable web-app, do magic, all in the space of a month. including saving this cunts job, twice. I'm two days out from finishing the entire project, when I get called into a meeting to 'give them a status update'. My work is almost done. Clientside manager, and company manager both turn to me and ask how long will it take to load the stuff into a clustered environment. Sysadmin, is a clientside employee; I have nothing to do with the system administration; and I've been feeding him copies of my work at my own initiative to prepare for going live. So I tell him, I can't answer that question. The tech is brand new, its complicated, and your sysadmin is the one in charge. He gets pissy and starts demanding I give him a date. I tell him, it should only take a day, IF everything works ok. He's asking me to gaurantee his own employees work, demands to know if its firm, and I'm like I can't tell you that - the tech has only been out four months. But tomorrow, you'll find out. So two days later I'm literally 20 minutes from finishing off this guys entire project, which is TWO fucking years over due, when he walks over to my desk to "incentivize me". You know, that cunty attitude where if they think they micromanage your ass to death, you're going to suddenly shit roses. So he demands to know when the website will be ready and I'm like 'soon'. like twenty fucking minutes soon now go away you're fucking irritating me and I'm trying to get this shit closed so I don't have to see your ignorant, cunt ass again. and just as I'm typing the key strokes for save he makes the dreaded mistake "thats not good enoug". Bitch didn't even finish his sentence before I quit. Took them a month more, and eight more people to pick up where I left off. AND, I might add, they'ld never have even gotten that far if it hadn't been for my stellar work. I of course, got fired from my host company.

    1. Re:Clientside douche. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a shame, but I understand your frustration. I can only recommend reading some books on how to work with difficult people.

      I once supported an arrogant college professor who always had to be right, even about technical things he had no clue about. He distrusted the IT staff because he got a lot of pushback (understandably) from the previous team.

      We handled him with kid gloves and let him "be right" until his solution failed - then we'd step in and "rescue" him by performing miracles with a smile. He bought us a case of Heineken in appreciation. :)

  111. Re: let the director have her way.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does being female have to do specifically here? Because male directors can't be clueless morale killing corporate-bots?

  112. Slack: Getting Past Burnout, Busywork... (DeMarco) by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    "He'd let us slack off all day. "

    Maybe your ex-boss also understood some of the ideas in Tom DeMarco's book "Slack"?

    "Slack: Getting Past Burnout, Busywork, and the Myth of Total Efficiency"
    https://www.amazon.com/Slack-G...
    "If your companyâ(TM)s goal is to become fast, responsive, and agile, more efficiency is not the answer--you need more slack.
        Why is it that todayâ(TM)s superefficient organizations are ailing? Tom DeMarco, a leading management consultant to both Fortune 500 and up-and-coming companies, reveals a counterintuitive principle that explains why efficiency efforts can slow a company down. That principle is the value of slack, the degree of freedom in a company that allows it to change. Implementing slack could be as simple as adding an assistant to a department and letting high-priced talent spend less time at the photocopier and more time making key decisions, or it could mean designing workloads that allow people room to think, innovate, and reinvent themselves. It means embracing risk, eliminating fear, and knowing when to go slow. Slack allows for change, fosters creativity, promotes quality, and, above all, produces growth.
        With an approach that works for new- and old-economy companies alike, this revolutionary handbook debunks commonly held assumptions about real-world management, and gives you and your company a brand-new model for achieving and maintaining true effectiveness."

    Other related ideas I've collected:
    https://github.com/pdfernhout/...

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  113. Tom Demarco/Slack on Efficiency vs. Effectiveness by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    "If you got anything useful done at all I wouldn't judge him so poorly from a corporate perspective."

    Yes, see also my reply: https://it.slashdot.org/commen...

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  114. Enterprise Adminisrators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a simple certified domain admin under four enterprise admins that "took the admin course" at their workstations and did not bother to get certified. I found they have non expiring password have evaded password complexity requirements and in two cases do not even have unprivileged accounts. Whenever they sign in it is with either a domain or enterprise admin account. I'm retiring soon and I've got documentation to cover my posterior but it still burns me up.