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FBI Director Comey Confirms Investigation Into Trump Campaign (reuters.com)

FBI Director James Comey confirmed during testimony before Congress Monday that the FBI is investigating whether the Trump campaign colluded with a covert Russian campaign to interfere with the election. From a report on Reuters: Comey told a congressional hearing on Russian activities that the probe "includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts. Because it is an open, ongoing investigation and is classified, I cannot say more about what we are doing and whose conduct we are examining," Comey said. Earlier, the chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, Republican Representative Devin Nunes, told the same hearing that the panel had seen no evidence of collusion between Russia and Trump's 2016 campaign. Nunes also denied an unsubstantiated claim from Trump that there had been a wiretap on his Trump Tower in New York but said it was possible other surveillance was used against the Republican.

537 comments

  1. IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    trump campaign investigates you

    1. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Hang on let me get this straight. The man who interfered with the election is accusing Russia of interfering with the election?

      Only in America!

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    2. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Barsteward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Trump needs to be water-boarded as he approves of it in investigations.... :)

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    3. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1, Funny

      Trump should be outraged against himself. Trump is tapping his own phones now! ROTFLMAO

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    4. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they are going to investigate Trump like they did Hillary (guilty but no charges brought) so they can request new and shiny budgets?

    5. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think its that CNN guy Jake Tapper. His name is Tapper, C'mon. Coincidence? I think not. And you know he has it out for Trump.
      Where do they get all those "leaks" ? Hmmm

    6. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by msauve · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "The man who interfered with the election is accusing Russia of interfering with the election?"

      ...and is reported by the US media, who also sought to influence the election.

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    7. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Merely sought?
      I watched that whole video of Trump's speech on Russia and Putin and the joke he made. Whoever watched the whole vid got the context.
      Then i saw the CNN cover on that speech, and the video was brilliantly cut to strip the context and form their own misleading coverage.
      "Sought" is a word that's too light.

    8. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wikileaks disagreed with the MSM narrative. So they blame it on Russia and try to ignore the information. Hillary supporters eat it up...

      The biggest losers in the last election were CNN and The NYTimes. They will never regain credibility. The plan was for Hillary to give them first question and all interviews for until she dropped dead, then give them exclusive access to that circus. Ha Ha.

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    9. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what alternative universe do you live?

    10. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guilty, but no charges? Another one who lives in an alternative laws world.

    11. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like the Trumpyverse to me...

    12. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NYT subscriptions are actually up recently, so they didn't lose in any way that's important.

    13. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You misspelled 'Reality'

    14. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The biggest losers in the last election were CNN and The NYTimes. They will never regain credibility.

      Because their polls were off? Weren't everybody's? If you mean being called out as "FAKE NEWS" by Trump, I don't think that's hurt their credibility at all - Trump is demonstratively full of shit. His fact-checking is non-existent.

    15. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      True believers gonna believe. Especially in these times, they need their security blanket. But they are just like Fox now and there is no changing it.

      Does fox's ratings prove it's objective? There goes your argument.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    16. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 0

      They never lost any, and this first 58 days of Trump has proved it!

    17. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 0

      Fox's "ratings" are actually a fail, less than 90% of the audience of MSNBC and CNN.
      Cooking the books has not changed at Faux, counting the same viewers 8 - 12 times per day.

    18. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 4, Informative

      Their polls were dead on, hillary by 2%.

    19. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hang on let me get this straight. The man who interfered with the election is accusing Russia of interfering with the election?

      Only in America!

      No, he's pretending to investigate the Trump campaign. I am sure his actions in the final weeks were clearly designed to ensure Trump's victory under the cover of being open and impartial. More than anything else, I believe this pushed the last undecideds into the Trump corner because it convinced them the email issue was never, ever going to go away and if Hillary was president, she was just going to resign in disgrace or be removed from office soon enough over it anyway and nobody wanted to watch Tim Kane become president by default. So given the help he gave the Trump campaign, I'm pretty sure that the final result of this investigation will be the shocking revelation that nobody in the Trump campaign did anything wrong.

    20. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Link is broken and an obvious lie anyhow.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    21. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Podestas emails? Right? But he invited them to hack Hillary..

    22. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Excellent. Keep it up.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    23. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His reaction to this on Twitter: "Why aren't they investigating Hillary???"

      Argh. It's like dealing with a baby. Trump, you are president. Hillary is not. I think the entire country should hold you to a higher standard than someone who did not become president. I mean, what the hell? You will be investigated. I really hope they find something.

    24. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if credibility ever meant anything to infotainment.
      The US doesn't have news. It's all for entertainment and has been for at least 30 years.

    25. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by WrongMonkey · · Score: 0

      Nope. State by state polls were consistently wrong, overestimating Clinton's performance in swing states.

    26. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by fafalone · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So the guy that recommended against indicting Hillary, because she "lacked intent" to violate a statute *with no intent requirement*, was actually trying to hurt her? Everyone working in intelligence all agree that if they did what she did, they'd 100% be charged. Never understood that one. What, did he change his mind? What's worse, whenever I try to discuss this point, I'm labeled a Trump supporter and the conversation is shut down, despite the fact that even if all the worse claims against her were true, I'd still rather have her in office than comrade cheeto. The downmods will flow before people even get to that sentence.

    27. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by WindBourne · · Score: 0

      No, in soviet Russia, they own Trump.

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    28. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      We should hold them both to the same standard: Sent on a rocket into the sun.

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    29. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      trump campaign investigates you

      Impeachment at 11:00 guys!

    30. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Boronx · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Everyone working in intelligence all agree that if they did what she did, they'd 100% be charged. Never understood that one."

      No need to understand something that isn't true. Go look at what they actually found on her. It amounted to nothing. The second hand stories that travel around are overblown, to say the least.

      The reason Comey couldn't recommend prosecution is that he didn't have enough evidence for a prosecution. No prosecutor would agree to take the case.

    31. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And left off the "Alternative"

    32. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True believer indeed.

    33. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Yep, he asked the Russians to hack a server that had not only been offline for over a year, but was also already wiped (with a cloth?) at that point.

      Jumpin' spaghetti monsters! Do you even reality? Are you still trying to kill Hitler to prevent world war 2? Maybe you can take out Genghis Khan while you are at it.

      Try really really hard to realize that your overt biases and total blindness to the facts have led you to create a time paradox in your mind and broadcast it to the internet.

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      When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
    34. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're moving goalposts quite a bit there. The commenter said they didn't lose in any way that's important, and you're referencing objectivity. Even if you're right that they are seen as less objective, do they care if they gain viewership/readership?

    35. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Everyone working in intelligence all agree that if they did what she did, they'd 100% be charged. Never understood that one."

      No need to understand something that isn't true. Go look at what they actually found on her. It amounted to nothing. The second hand stories that travel around are overblown, to say the least.

      If you actually work with classified information, you'll know that they make you sign documents stating that you understand how classified information works. After the email story broke, and the whole "what are sectional markings" thing came up, the past year's version basically made you state three different ways "I will not send classified information via email" along with another five ways of describing what (C) means. (Hint: it means that the section is classified and should not be sent by email, although the C doesn't stand for "classified.")

      It's been made very, VERY clear to everyone who holds a clearance that, just because Clinton got away with breaking the law, YOU should not expect to do the same.

      The reason Comey couldn't recommend prosecution is that he didn't have enough evidence for a prosecution. No prosecutor would agree to take the case.

      The second part is true - no prosecutor would want to risk angering the Clintons and winding up dead. But the first is not - they had plenty to nail her with, they just didn't.

    36. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enough with the conspiracy theories already!

    37. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Boronx · · Score: 1

      There were three emails marked classified. Only one was actually classified. None of them were marked classified in the header, but the body. The news doesn't report whether Hillary sent or received the classified email. The FBI thinks that whoever sent the email didn't notice the markings.

      Nobody would go to jail under those circumstances. To top it off, the reporting I read was that the emails had to do with State department phone call talking points that are declassified after the phone call.

    38. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      This again? The marking is not what makes a document classified.

    39. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let us make you the FBI director as you have much better judgement and abilities than him about what's enough to prosecute anybody? This is the same liar trump who kept saying for many years despite all the proofs that Obama is not a US citizen just because he was black. Whether you like it or not the future belongs to diversity and inclusiveness and not to isolationism and racial hatred.

    40. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 Funny

    41. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back and memorize all those fake news sites. They will reenforce your biases and make you more and more "happy to be angry" toward a party that elected a black president.

    42. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Yep, he asked the Russians to hack a server that had not only been offline for over a year, but was also already wiped (with a cloth?) at that point.

      Jumpin' spaghetti monsters! Do you even reality?

      You you ceratainly do not. Exactly what kind of world is it you you support an adversary of the US to commit espionage? Personally, I consider that high treason, as well as anyone who supports an adversary committing espionage.

      Dread_Ed, i you are an American, you are a traitor. If not, you'r the US's enemy.

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    43. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have obviously never held a security clearance, much less a TS or SCI level clearance. Nobody with that level clearance working in or with intelligence community would have avoided both prosecution and certain conviction. Everything she and her IT team did was in direct disobedience of the most basic security protocols and ethics. If Comey helped her lose then I would argue he was only doing his job and working alongside the rest of the Intel and defense leadership.

    44. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 2

      Yep, dead on, or did you fail to read the final week polls by Gallup and Reuters?
      After Comey's October Surprise, Hillary's numbers BOMBED in the Midwest.
      And the 2% win was right in the middle of the spread.

    45. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Sorry I can't uprate you.

    46. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1
    47. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Sorry I can't uprate you.

      Just stand by for his reply to me. Oughta be entertaining.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    48. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Go back and memorize all those fake news sites. They will reenforce your biases and make you more and more "happy to be angry" toward a party that elected a black president."

      Of course you libbies always resort to accusations of racism and bigotry when a discussion doesn't go your way. Typical liberal deflection. There are other reasons to not like Obama, like the fact he was a bad president. Not everything is about race/ethnicity. Why don't you go back to your mainstream news sites or should I say echo chamber for radical liberal garbage. Maybe there you can keep soaking up the fake news like how "Trump only had a 5-15% chance of winning if he's lucky" (more or less direct quote from "expert analyst" on CNN pre election). In fact just keep doing what you're doing and another 4 years of Trump or hopefully someone libertarian is coming for sure!

    49. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The biggest loser was the Democrats. Unfortunately they don't seem to understand the concept of being gracious about it.

      In that same hearing MULTIPLE intelligence folks testified under oath that the Russians did not influence the outcome and that there was zero evidence of collusion between the Trump Campaign and the Russians. So the "17 intelligence agencies said..." was a lie. And when the NY reported that the FBI wiretapped Trump, and then went back and changed their own archives - they were lying too.

    50. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS having been in that world in a past life I know for a fact she should have been prosecuted. It only takes one document. She had at least 4

    51. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      The biggest losers in the last election were CNN and The NYTimes. They will never regain credibility.

      Because their polls were off? Weren't everybody's? If you mean being called out as "FAKE NEWS" by Trump, I don't think that's hurt their credibility at all - Trump is demonstratively full of shit. His fact-checking is non-existent.

      CNN and NYTimes commission polls from Polling companies. From the popular vote, Democrats won the presidency. (+3 million). But you have gerrymandering, you have some states with small populations having as important a say as California or NY State or Texas.
      He went after the small states with important majorities.

      Now, we are watching the Stock Market begin to crash. Hope it does not bottom out at below the numbers that existed when Trump came to the Presidency. Republicans, get a backbone, Do not repeal ACA, but get after the high high unrealistic profits of the USA medical system. (Drugs, Hospitals, Torts, and Doctors).

      USA. The baby boomers (born between 1945 and 1950) are reaching pensioned years + 10years = 65+. Absolutely these (we) bommers are going to need the ACA). Do you want us to DIE because of high cost choice means we turn away from care until it is too late?

      I live in Canada, with Universal health care. I feel bad for my fellow Americans who are being led down the "Republican Dollar First" path. Fix up the ACA. The concept is great. Billionaires made their money from the middle and poor classes. Time for them to do some payback.

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    52. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "The marking is not what makes a document classified."

      That's the point: two of the emails marked classified did not actually contain classified information, therefore cannot be used to establish that criminal mishandling of classified material occurred.

    53. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      What speech?

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    54. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get outta here you Marxist commie loving POS and go back to Canada.

    55. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Apparently, his "reply" is to sic his assbuddies as downmoderators.4 informatives, 1 troll = troll.
      have to wonder how that happened.

    56. Re: IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      No one thinks Fox is More Objective and even fewer think Trump is more honest thus, who cares what the Trumpists think, with their Fueher at 37% approval?

    57. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      A few things for you to gnaw on in the corner of your mother's basement:

      First: You can't hack a server once it has been taken offline and the information wiped from the drives. It isn't possible. To make it possible for ANYONE to hack it you would have to go back in time. And no, not now you mental midget, then...at the exact time those statements were made the dismantling and wiping of the server had already happened. That is why the entire subject came up between those politicians in the first place! Now, to be able to think that this is even possible you would have to be a huge idiot, I think we can all agree. That places you and AutodidactLibrat in the same bag of stupid as Trump if AutodidactLibrat is correct that Trump meant that Russia should hack a nonexistent server.

      Second: At no point in this post did I support foreign hacking of US assets. First, as I said in my original post and just reiterated, it wasn't even possible, and second, you created that out of your own mind. You fail at reality even worse than AutodidactLibrat did. In his case he is positing something that is impossible, but to someone whose political zealotry is much larger than their intellect, this is sad but understandable. I see partisan people think, say, and do incredibly stupid things due to the effect that they let politics have on their mind all the time. Its has become just one of those things you learn to endure, like trash on the street, world hunger, and entrenched corporatism strangling the American middle class. In your case though, you are taking things from your own mind and inserting them into my post. The words I said are right there in black and white and are very easy to read. And, if necessary, you have access to online dictionaries and even Google Translate if you aren't an English first language individual and what I wrote is too complex for you. So there is absolutely no excuse for what you did. It is an entirely new level of stupid I can't even begin to fathom. Why even read what I wrote if you are just going to make up things to respond to? It's not even a straw man what you did. It is mind blowing.

      Third: You can call me a traitor. You can call me an enemy of the US government. I will stand by those labels. I will wear them with pride. I stand in opposition to many things our government has done and continually does. If that makes me an enemy of our government and a traitor I am fine with that. My loyalty is with the people of the USA. They are my party, they are my brothers and sisters, they are the reason I stand in opposition to my government on many issues. So, yes, I will be a traitor against our government in favor of the people of the USA. I will endure your stupidity and accusations and still stand for what is best for you. Even when you would rather eat shit, I will try to feed you milk, meat, and bread.

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    58. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Oh bullshit.
      you certainly CAN crack intermediary servers that do traffic buffering, their history files and their random memory dumps to hack mails.
      That was dumb.

    59. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Do you ever get accused of acting just like Trump? You know, when you say something incredibly stupid, get called out on it, and then instead of admitting you effed up you just say it again, and louder hoping it will sound true. Well, if not, you sure are taking one from his playbook on this one.

      Former Secretary of State Clinton assumed office in 2009 and stepped down in February of 2013.

      Trump made that comment in July of 2016.

      It is not a stretch to think that the 33,000 deleted emails Trump was referring to didn't all get sent on the last day of her tenure. Do you personally know of any intermediary servers that retain random emails and their contents for 3.5-7 years? Maybe a log of "to" and "from," but contents from the body? Even if they did, where the hell would you start to look? What you propose is like looking for a non-existent needle in a million invisible haystacks.

      Come on man. Really?

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      When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
    60. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      "Get called on it" without acknowledging that the emails still exist?
      Sounds more like someone ate a stupid pill this morning and repeated himself
      Trump did indeed request foreign spies find the "lost" emails, and they were certainly still extant.
      So far as we know, none were compromised.

    61. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Amazing that he admitted he was a traitor. That's all we need to know.

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    62. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      I see your reading comprehension level is way below the material presented. I was referring to your activities and how they were like what Trump does with his stupid tweets. I pointed out how what you said was silly and irrelevant to reality. Just like a lot of what Trump says. You then proceeded to dig your heels in, defending a demonstrably asinine position, just like Trump does. You do it again in the post I am replying to. You can't even address the points I made. You presented no evidence of your claim, nor any corroborating suppositions that point toward evidence. You said nothing to refute what I said other than what boils down to a rhetorical "nuh-uh."

      Please forgive me if I don't take you as an authoritative source. You can't even quote me correctly and the words are right there in the post. We are all somehow stupider for having read what you wrote. You are awarded no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

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      When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
    63. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Did you even read what I wrote, or are you again interjecting your own thoughts? I can play play that game too you know.

      I said I am in opposition to our government on many things, and firmly in favor of the people of the US. You call that being a traitor, fine. Therefore, as a non-traitor yourself, you must support 100% of what our government is doing, eh? Well then, that would make you a Trump supporter, and a bigly one at that! Well, if supporting our government in everything they do and kowtowing to Trump is your thing, keep it up patriot! I will oppose you and you can call me a traitor all you want.

      You like the idea of rampant corporatism, encroaching fascism, and deliberate misrepresentation of the electorate. I get it. You're too stupid to realize that our government, both "parties" as you call them, are nothing more than the new aristocracy, completely dedicated to their own causes which are vastly different than the interests of their constituents and even their supporters. I get that too. You want to support your "side," but you don't realize that your "side" doesn't support you and is acting against your interests as a citizen. I get that as well. But just because you are committed to the same subjugation and exploitation of the US people as our leaders doesn't mean that I won't try to talk you out of being a self destructive robot dedicated to taking all of us down with you. Again, call me a traitor all you want, I will wear your stupid label as a badge of pride.

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      When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
    64. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Did you even read what I wrote, or are you again interjecting your own thoughts?

      Actually Benedict, I was replying to something someone else wrote. Now Go to the Russian Embassy in the nearest big city, and offer them your services. They like people like you.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    65. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I am otherwise occupied trying to herd US citizens into realizing what the real threats to us are. Here's a hint, it ain't the great Russian smokescreen.

      It's people like you who are so convinced that partisan politics is an all or nothing, us or them situation that you are willing to create lies in your mind to support your position and get enraged about non-issues because you have tied your ego to the belief center of your brain and completely bypassed the logic circuits.

      Case in point. My number one concern is for the health, well being, and viability of every American citizen. You call that concern traitorous for some inscrutable reason. You keep attributing partisan political motivations to me when I have never taken a stand for a political "side," only pointed out how someone was incredibly wrong about the availability of emails. That is not indicative of the actions of a logical person. Those are the thoughts of a compromised mind.

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      When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
    66. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Boronx · · Score: 1

      It's useful in determining whether someone knowingly transmitted classified info in the clear. Nobody goes to jail for accidentally sending a newspaper article about a classified operation. Certainly nobody goes to jail when somebody else accidentally sends the newspaper article to her email account.

    67. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      I see you still didn't acknowledge Trump's criminal call to our adversaries to purloin emails of the former Secretary of State
      Your ignorance now matched your ignobility

    68. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Wrong.
      Only ONE party has SELected a President, TWICE, in defiance of the "consent of the governed"
      Thank you for playing "Stupid"
      Would you like to try again?
      Yes,you are supporting High Treason.
      You are giving aide and comfort to those who support treason
      Technically,that does not make you a traitor.
      Just a fool, I hope.

    69. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Sorry AutodidactLabrat. I should have seen the signs early on and not pursued a conversation with you. Nor should I have been so inflammatory. I ask your forgiveness, for what it is worth.

      I see that we do not have intersecting intellects. I cannot speak to your worldview, but I can discern that it is completely and irrevocably alien to me. There is no fruit in discussing details with you when basic suppositions of the conversation, and even reality, are not held in common. Where there is no commonality there can be no discussion.

      Please allow me to say this in closing that I appreciate your verve and fire. I see your energy and intensity. It comes through even this narrow aperture, a keyboard conversation. Not an easy accomplishment. I would give my right arm for 10 men with your passion who were as dedicated to the American people as you are to your politics. Unfortunately men like that are in short supply. We certainly won't find them in our government (well maybe with maybe the exception of dear St. Bernie) and the insidious trap of partisanship conscripts, corrupts, and devours the rest of the candidates from the electorate. Probably just as well that so many remain regimented, expressing their prescribed 15 minutes of hate each and every day at their designated and accepted out-group, regurgitating their force-fed outrage only within the proper boundaries. What a small group of dedicated, free-minded men can accomplish is well documented and frankly shocking.

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    70. Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      I see you still refuse to acknowledge the criminal call to our enemies to seize emails of State Dept. personell. Pity.
      Well, as George Lucas would say "the stupid is strong with this one"
      As for the "Free-minded men", the quote comes from Leni Rifenstall, speaking of the nazis.
      Freudian slip maybe?

  2. FAKE NEWS! by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's all fake news. The president tweeted that out just this morning. And if you can't trust the president then who can you trust? [1]

    [1] Note .. for the sarcasm impaired, that was sarcasm.

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    1. Re:FAKE NEWS! by ISoldat53 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can we trust Comey?

    2. Re:FAKE NEWS! by DonaId+Trump · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm watching the hearing, folks, and I can't believe these traitors. How do they all know I like to wear a mask when I get peed on? Lock them up!

    3. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Rei · · Score: 4, Funny

      I only trust reliable sources, like the voice that speaks to me in colours when I touch the arcane metal orb that I found out hiking out in the wastes.

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    4. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Can we trust Comey?

      The FBI is a predominantly irish catholic organization. I would trust them over the italian catholic mafia or the post-tribulational protestant minions (WASP) who aim to start WW3 for the greater glory of their beloved chosenites.

    5. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only trust trusted news networks like Faux News Network - Sean Hannity reduces the insanity!

    6. Re:FAKE NEWS! by tim620 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have far more confidence and trust in Comey, than I do President Trump.

    7. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Informative

      He was the Republicans' bestest friend when he was after Clinton. Now all of sudden, the shoe is on the other foot, and he's the bad guy.

      It's hilarious thought... no evidence of Obama wiretapping Trump, and confirmation that the FBI is investigating links between Trump's campaign and Russia.

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    8. Re:FAKE NEWS! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can we trust Comey?

      Sure. Inversely proportional to how much Trump likes him.

      [ (Trump Likes) x (We Trust) = Constant ]

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    9. Re:FAKE NEWS! by tripleevenfall · · Score: 0

      I would trust that more than this story, which is flimsy even as innuendo goes

    10. Re: FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ofcourse not. You can't trust anyone who can hide things behind "national security". The question is why do you want more secrecy, more military and more of everything you can't trust? How about disbanding NSA, FBI and CIA and require transparency from your elected?

    11. Re:FAKE NEWS! by s.petry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure how well we should trust Comey, but so far he's being pretty level. Most important question asked so far. "Is there any evidence that votes were change in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania..." to which the director of the NSA and FBI both stated "no".

      When the Benghazi hearings were going, we had Democrats yelling about gun control and demanding censorship of Youtube instead of asking questions related to the actual issues. The grandstanding to keep the hearings away from Clinton were simply despicable. I'm not surprised that a couple of Democrats are sitting and spinning fairy tales about "Russia" by simply repeating narratives crafted by media already proven false.

      This will be a fun couple days.

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    12. Re:FAKE NEWS! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Can we trust Comey?

      Effective government should not depend on trust of specific individuals. Designing laws and institutions is like designing a network protocol: You build in self-corrections for lack of integrity.

    13. Re:FAKE NEWS! by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      It's in the law; the presidant can't lie.

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    14. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, the story only says that there is an investigation and nothing else. They got this crazy story from listening to the head of the FBI who used those words when speaking in an official capacity to members of the US House of Representatives. Are we now to the point that simple statements such as these are "flimsy" ????

    15. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      There is evidence from NSA documents the entire Trump family was under surveillance. Just because Trvor Noah and Rachel Maddow didnt bother to tell you that doesnt mean it didnt happen.

    16. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Rei · · Score: 1

      The orb calls out to you; you can hear his voice if you open your heart. Ba'al the Soul-Eater has a plan for us all.

      The voice also says not to listen to the Failing CBO analysis of the plan, that it's a great plan, and it's going to make our mortal flesh-suits great again.

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    17. Re: FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Link us to those documents please. They would be of good use and reading.

    18. Re:FAKE NEWS! by gnick · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just because Trvor Noah and Rachel Maddow didnt bother to tell you that doesnt mean it didnt happen.

      I'd expand that to Trevor Noah, Rachel Maddow, or anyone else. Nobody has presented any convincing evidence of Trump Tower wiretaps. What "NSA documents" are you referring to - Do you have some kind of special access that the media doesn't?

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    19. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And here we go with the GCHQ claims. No, there is no such evidence.

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    20. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Ksevio · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't believe anyone is suggesting that actual votes were changed (as in voting machine hacked or something), the accusation is that Russia influenced the election through the slow release of hacked emails and spreading anti-Clinton propaganda. The "Russia changed votes" theory is just a straw-man.

      The Benghazi hearings were proven to be a political charade anyways where even after months of investigations the Republicans couldn't find any wrong-doings.

      But speaking of asking questions unrelated issues, you should listen to some of the Republicans asking questions. They're more concerned with whether the freedom of press applies to news organizations publishing classified leaks than the actual issue of Russian meddling with the election.

    21. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      This is the just the "GCHQ spied on Trump for Obama" claim. Even Fox News has repudiated that they ever said any such thing, and Napolitano has been revealed as a conspiracy theorist

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    22. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um yes, that's exactly what it means

    23. Re:FAKE NEWS! by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

      But speaking of asking questions unrelated issues, you should listen to some of the Republicans asking questions. They're more concerned with whether the freedom of press applies to news organizations publishing classified leaks than the actual issue of Russian meddling with the election.

      Killing off the free press was always one of Trump's stated goals with his desire to open up libel laws in order to facilitate suing the press.

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    24. Re:FAKE NEWS! by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Can we trust Comey?

      About what? If he says there's an investigation there is an investigation.
      About taking a stand and saying 'I'm not going to investigate this shit'? No.

    25. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember the Trump server talking to a Russian bank story here on Slashdot? Where do you think it was leaked from?

    26. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Bartles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What did Democrats think of Comey right before and after the election?

    27. Re:FAKE NEWS! by ls671 · · Score: 5, Funny

      How often do you do president Trump?

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    28. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same can be said about the democrats, so what's your point?

    29. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't do this instead: and ? xD

    30. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sarcasm is basically impossible to detect when using text as a medium in a largely anonymous forum.

      If people assume you are serious, it isn't because they can't detect sarcasm, but because they know that lots of idiots post on this forum, and you might be one of them.

      Calling your potential readership "sarcasm impaired" only shows your own egocentrism.

    31. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how well we should trust Comey, but so far he's being pretty level.

      I don't know about level but he's certainly being flippant. If he threw out "Not gonna answer that one." in a UK parliamentary select committee they'd tear him a new one.

      What's the point in summoning someone to a senate hearing if they can pick and choose what questions they have to answer?!

    32. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I hear it was actually the YMCA.

    33. Re:FAKE NEWS! by squiggleslash · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I don't think we've ever liked him, and we still don't.

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    34. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hilarious thought... no evidence of Obama wiretapping Trump, and confirmation that the FBI is investigating links between Trump's campaign and Russia.

      Wikileaks dump says otherwise regarding wiretapping. Furthermore, the establishment was drag-netting Trump's family and associated.

      I do find it hilarious that every political result that goes against liberal-left is down to commies, and yet none worry about G. Soros or House of Saud pumping over $100,000,000 into liberal left parties.

    35. Re:FAKE NEWS! by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Revealed?

      His 9/11 conspiracy talk with Alex Jones back in 2010 ago didn't make it obvious already?

    36. Re:FAKE NEWS! by TWX · · Score: 1

      There is evidence from NSA documents the entire Trump family was under surveillance. Just because Trvor Noah and Rachel Maddow didnt bother to tell you that doesnt mean it didnt happen.

      I thought that we had established, as far as the NSA is concerned, everyone on the planet is under surveillance.

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    37. Re:FAKE NEWS! by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Killing off the free press was always one of Trump's stated goals with his desire to open up libel laws in order to facilitate suing the press.

      Freedom of the press was largely lost when two things happened - ownership became highly concentrated and the press lost a diversity of opinions and morphed into Fox News on the right and everything else on the left. Concentrated ownership contributed greatly to the polarization.

    38. Re:FAKE NEWS! by nbauman · · Score: 1

      It's not a lie unless he says "believe me."

    39. Re:FAKE NEWS! by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      As far as the NSA is concerned they don't collect our data.
      I think it's Snowden who said it means they do collect our data but just haven't looked at it yet.
      So as far as Trump is concerned the question is 'did they look at his data'.
      Now Trump seems to think there's some extra surveillance going on. Could be. But then, Trump seems to think.

    40. Re:FAKE NEWS! by sexconker · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with being a conspiracy theorist?

      Many of the "crackpot" theories regarding the government these "nuts" had over the past 3 decades have been proven to be correct.

    41. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think most of the press has killed themselves off.
      "Trump hasn't paid taxes in over 20 years!!!1!11"
      Maddow on MSNBC, "I have Trump's 2005 tax returns!!1!1!!"
      "Trump paid $38 million in taxes in 2005, a higher rate than Sanders, Obama, or MSNBC"

      Yea, I think they are destroying themselves and Trump is not involved.

    42. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Mitreya · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have far more confidence and trust in Comey, than I do President Trump.

      Based on what?
      The fact that Comey blatantly violated the law by interfering in the election (sending a big announcement of Clinton investigation right before election and then retracting it in a few days?)

    43. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      A stopped clock is right twice a day. That conspiracy theorists will sometimes hit the nail on the head doesn't instantly mean their every proclamation is the truth. Napolitano based his claim on somewhat RT bullshit, in other words he was repeating Russian-sourced fake news.

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    44. Re:FAKE NEWS! by skids · · Score: 1

      The orb is a lie. Listen only to your rice crispies. Everything other than the holy trinity of snap, crackle, and pop is trying to lead you astray.

    45. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Based on the average number of easily verifiable lies trump tells a day via tweets.

    46. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Ksevio · · Score: 2

      While the concentration of news organizations has produced fewer options, there certainly are more options than just "Fox News" and "everything else on the left". There are plenty centrist news sources, including those from other countries.

    47. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just keep those fake claims coming. Now suddenly it's the "establishment"?

      There was no wiretapping of Trump. Never happened. What there was was spying on Russians, and the fact that the likes of Flynn and Sessions are such fucking idiots that they would basically use open communication systems to yack with the Russians indicates not only are they traitors, but pretty fucking stupid ones.

      Obama didn't order wiretapping, Britain's GCHQ didn't do it for him. It never happened. It was a conspiracy theory started by Mark Levin, picked up by Breitbart, and Trump, being a pretty stupid man himself, picked up that ball and went with it. Whatever comes out of these hearings and the FBI's investigation, the fact is that Trump asked for it. He's the one that demanded the wiretapping claims be investigated, he's the one that forced a Republican-dominated Congress to continue digging even when I suspect most House and Senate Republicans would rather not even pick up a shovel.

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    48. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, I'll bite. Which ones?

    49. Re:FAKE NEWS! by msauve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "the accusation is that Russia influenced the election through the slow release of hacked emails"

      The press is just miffed that they didn't find it and disclose it first. Really, if the DNC hadn't worked to sway the primaries against Sanders, and CNN employee Brazile hadn't violated journalistic ethics by leaking debate questions to HRC and then lying about it, there wouldn't have been much fire beneath the smoke. Pointing to the Russians or Wikileaks is just an attempt at misdirection by blaming the messenger for revealing things the media would have been praised for revealing.

      Oh, and HRC flat-out lied about Bengazi, first by telling the public and families of those killed that it was an unpredictable violent protest over a video while privately admitting to a planned and foreseeable terrorist attack.

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    50. Re:FAKE NEWS! by F34nor · · Score: 1

      This is why you should have all voted for Cthulhu! Why choose the lesser evil?

    51. Re:FAKE NEWS! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      England and Australia have been tapping American citizens (and vice versa) phones since WWII. That is how it's always been done.

      The question you should ask is: How did the information make it into the hands of a Clinton press operative at the NYTimes?

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    52. Re:FAKE NEWS! by F34nor · · Score: 1

      Getting $100,000,000 from the Saudis; "I call that smart."

    53. Re:FAKE NEWS! by tim620 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't get me wrong. I never said I thought Comey was completely trustworthy. I only stated I would trust him, more than Trump. Trump and his surrogates constantly lie, deflect and distract the public and the press. I would trust a stranger on the street, over Trump.

    54. Re:FAKE NEWS! by tim620 · · Score: 1

      Exactly!

    55. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      The question you should ask is "Was Trump's claims that he was wiretapped by US intelligence or by US Allies' intelligence true or not." And today before Congress that claim was discarded.

      Yes, US citizens are at times put under surveillance, and long have been. Lincoln had every telegraph line that entered the Union tapped, and that was a century and a half ago. But this isn't about claims of general capability, this is about the specific claim that the Obama Administration placed wiretaps, or had through some third party, had wiretaps placed on Trump Tower. That claims is false, so it is irrelevant what happens sometimes under some circumstances. What counts is whether the specific statement Donald Trump made is true or not.

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    56. Re:FAKE NEWS! by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      After not pushing harder to prosecute Clinton. I don't think he was intending to interfere, I think he doesn't understand what his role is.

    57. Re:FAKE NEWS! by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      If anyone thinks that Comey, or anyone high up in the intelligence cabal is on either the (R) or the (D) team, they are naive.

      Comey and the other members of the Intelligence-Industrial complex have their own team. They exist to preserve and expand their own power and influence. Any help they give to the Republicans or Democrats is purely incidental to their own goals.

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    58. Re:FAKE NEWS! by F34nor · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah no... the content has no bearing on the debate. The ends do not justify the means in all but the smallest and most extreme examples. You might note that we have this thing called the 4th amendment for just such events. It says,

      "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

      That makes the e-mail poison fruit. The fact that they we taken by a foreign power makes the whole event into a attack on our country. You are apologizing for the FSB attacking our core mission as a country for your own simplistic tribalism. That makes you a domestic enemy of the constitution.

    59. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if you watch Fox News. If you watch Fox News, anything that's not Fox News has a disgraceful liberal bias. (American liberal, of course.)

    60. Re:FAKE NEWS! by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      That does describe pretty well what is happening. It's also a guarantee for being deceived. Because Trump's opponents (or whoever the enemy is) know they can get away with absolutely anything.

    61. Re: FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it goes something like this: NSA/other 3 letter agency has info on Trump ties to Russia. Trump knows this so he throws out the wiretapping claim. What this does is put the the dems in a bad position. If they prove the Russian claims they admit to a Nixon level scandal. If they show up empty handed its a wash for both sides. Trump turned a dem advantage into a wash and its a pretty damn good move.

    62. Re:FAKE NEWS! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I would go one step further and consider it's like designing network protocols where you consider the possibility that any or even every node is malicious. Your only saving grace is that most nodes are also independent.

    63. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      BUTHEREMAILS!

      If there were leaks from both sides equally, then the press would be miffed, but they were clearly focused only on the Democrats. Both sides have dirty laundry.

    64. Re:FAKE NEWS! by SmokeyRobot · · Score: 1

      Pretty funny that you post this because Comey actually did confirm that mainstream media is printing fake news. He said that information leaked was in fact wrong but he could not confirm or deny which is wrong. I found that pretty interesting that it actually shows that President Trump is right in that some of it is fake news. The level at which the President accuses is still ridiculously wrong in my opinion.

    65. Re: FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for that laugh. I'd prefer you mentioning that the voice that speaks in colors is a dragon though. ;)

    66. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, yeah, NSA.

      Everyone is under surveillance by the NSA!

    67. Re:FAKE NEWS! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The evidence is: One of the recordings ended up in a Clinton operatives hands. It didn't just magic itself there.

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    68. Re:FAKE NEWS! by DaHat · · Score: 0, Troll

      I know that many on the left still haven't come to terms with how/why they actually lost... but you really need to update your talking points.

      By not informing congress, he would be risking perjury charges for failing to disclose the new information based on his previous testimony.

      But why let facts get in the way of a comforting (but false) narrative?

    69. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

      Because the big story here is the leaks, not the fact that Flynn was discussing sanctions with Russia. And I thought it was the Washington Post that revealed that. Where does the "Clinton operative claim" come from?

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    70. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Wow, 100 million dollars you say... Why not say a billion gazillion dollars?

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    71. Re:FAKE NEWS! by gnick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's wrong with being a conspiracy theorist?

      Many of the "crackpot" theories regarding the government these "nuts" had over the past 3 decades have been proven to be correct.

      I'll challenge your definition of "many" unless you've got a hearty list of examples. And if "many" were right, that means a "shit-load" were wrong. What's wrong with being a conspiracy theorist? Nothing absolutely, conspiracies exist. 9/11 was undoubtedly a conspiracy, but the "theorists" expand that to being a conspiracy involving the U.S. government which is just nonsense. Suggesting collusion between Obama and the Brits to wiretap DJT holds about as much water. Most of these nuts' crackpot theories are just that - Crackpot theories.

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    72. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A lot of the freedom of the press was lost when the press became the President's bitch.

      It was a Republican administration that began aggressively limiting the ability of the WH press corps to ask inconvenient questions while happily using them to promote the Establishment's agenda. The press caved and they kept that subservience through subsequent administrations R and D. Untll Trump's egregious treatment of them made it intolerable.

      If anything, we're finally seeing some independence from the press courtesy of Trump's effectively declaring war on them.

      We actually do have a diversity of voices. We have left-wing outlets such as HuffPo and MSNBC, allegedly-left wing such as CNN, center except in the eyes of the faithful (to whom anything left of Fox is left-wing) such as NPR and BBC, right-wing (Fox) and we'll-make-up-what-whatever-fantasy-we-want such as Breitbart.

      So you can choose to live in a comfortable little echo chamber or you can do the unthinkable and sample the obviously-wrong and slanted news from other viewpoints.

    73. Re:FAKE NEWS! by msauve · · Score: 2

      Uh, the 4th applies the the US government, not individuals or foreign governments. Taking the emails was certainly illegal, as was Daniel Ellsberg taking the Pentagon Papers or Snowden the NSA files. But that doesn't make them "poison fruit," and is certainly not comparable to the classified material in the examples I gave.

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    74. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      What the hell does any of this have to do with the fact that the Director of the FBI has confirmed that they are investigating links between Russia and the Trump campaign?

      Nobody is contesting that Trump won. Hell, no one is really contesting that Clinton wasn't a horrible candidate who ran a bad campaign (her own husband has said as much). But again, that has fuck all to do with what is happening right now. It seems you're the one with the badly over-aged talking points.

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    75. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Killing off the free press was always one of Trump's stated goals with his desire to open up libel laws in order to facilitate suing the press.

      That's not exactly right. He doesn't really want to kill the free press. He wants try to make everybody but Fox News report from the sideline so that they lose influence. He's not trying to shut down, say, CNN, but he wants to limit their access to him. I have friends who honestly believe that the only fair and impartial news source at all is Fox News. They all believe that CNN is insanely liberal and they have no idea at all that MSNBC is actually pretty far left of CNN. They don't seem to know that MSNBC even exists. There's no need to kill the free press when half the country believes that only one news sources is accurate and impartial and that news source is so biased it's not ever going to say anything against a Republican. You can let CNN, MSNBC, NPR, etc. report all they want to, but when half the country by choice refuses to listen to what they say, they are pretty effectively silenced although technically still alive.

    76. Re:FAKE NEWS! by meta-monkey · · Score: 0

      There's no such thing as "centrist press." Everyone has a bias, and it corresponds to the bias of the owners of the publication. Shockingly enough, the interests of the six mega corporations that own 90% of American media do not coincide with the interests of average Americans in flyover country.

      You would think this would be easy enough to understand. Seems fairly obvious. But watching the media this election it seems they can't comprehend that anyone might have different interests than they do. Or if they do, it can only be because of some manifestation of evil.

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    77. Re:FAKE NEWS! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Washington post and NYTimes are staffed by Clinton press operatives. Have you been paying attention?

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    78. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not old enough to have ever seen 'free press'.

      That you think you are is a monument to how well propaganda works.

    79. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Ksevio · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are lots of centrist press organizations. Just because a news source doesn't appeal to Nazis doesn't make it leftist.

    80. Re:FAKE NEWS! by DaHat · · Score: 0

      What the hell does any of this have to do with the fact that the Director of the FBI has confirmed that they are investigating links between Russia and the Trump campaign?

      Re-read what I was replying to.

      Nobody is contesting that Trump won.

      Really? I still see/hear plenty mentioning the popular vote & Russians.

      Hell, no one is really contesting that Clinton wasn't a horrible candidate who ran a bad campaign (her own husband has said as much).

      Must be nice in your circles, or did you miss 'the resistance'?

      But again, that has fuck all to do with what is happening right now.

      Re-read what I was replying to.

      It seems you're the one with the badly over-aged talking points.

      Re-read what I was replying to.

    81. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was nothing despicable about not participating in a witch hunt that had the logic...Benghazi...um..uh...Clinton! I mean really. Nobody but the most slavering Rushbot was entertained by that hate mongering crap fest. Let it go. It was a dark chapter in the Republican history and US history. Clinton is not active in politics now. Continuing to light up when the alt fact media pushes the button is an embarrassment.

    82. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though it was okay when Comey was going to let Hillary off of the hook despite the massive pile of evidence showing that she was guilty of espionage if not outright treason. Speaking on investigating Russina connections, maybe Comey will finally investigate Uranium One where a Russian government backed concern paid the Clinton Foundation for access to the State Department and Hillary's rubber stamp for a majority stake in US and Canadian Uranium mines.

    83. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except he was nominated to the FBI by Obama...

    84. Re:FAKE NEWS! by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I didn't say "leftist." I would call it "corporate left." You want to keep the public hyper sensitive about pointless social issues that effect almost no one so it's all tranny bathroom coverage all the time. But then they completely ignore factory closings, or they want to keep their cheap slave labor so some illegal mexican raping and murdering a teenager gets zero coverage.

      Its your value system itself that determines what facts are and are not relevant to you.

      Also, I said "average Americans in flyover country" and you said "Nazis." What the fuck. Do you think your average midwestern American is a Nazi? That says more about you than it does about them...

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    85. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem here, as I've seen many times in other contexts is that those making these claims aren't really interested in whether the claim has any foundation in truth, or even in any way properly sourced. What counts is that the claim was made. The claim can be utter rubbish, and not even make any damned sense at all (i.e. Pizzagate), but once made, it can be published and then endlessly repeated. The point here is simply to say something, anything, and repeat it long after it was debunked. That way, when the issue comes up for discussion, the declaration can be made "Yeah well, I read this from a totally reliable guy like Napolitano!"

      This, in the Creationist debate circles is known as the Gish Gallop, based upon (in)famous Creationist Duane Gish, whose debating style was to making as many unfounded and ludicrous assertions as possible during a debate, knowing full well that his interlocutors could never possibly deal with all of them in the allotted time, and then he and his supporters could champion those untouched claims as showing the falsehood of evolution. What's more, even where all the claims were debunked, he'd simply repeat them anyways.

      The object of this kind of rhetoric is simply to overwhelm one's opponents or the generally incredulous with as many claims as possible, to overwhelm the opponents and make it seem as if they are faltering under the weight of the evidence of a vast conspiracy. And we see now how it has been used to extraordinary effect, that in this particular /. thread alone, there must be a dozen or more claims that were debunked or traced back to unreliable or non-existent sources. But they keep being made, over and over again.

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    86. Re: FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your comment was truncated.

      "But then, Trump seems to think everything he sees on TV is true."

    87. Re: FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How is it a good move? For the Democrats, at worst this is a Republican Benghazi, an investigation that goes nowhere. That didn't exactly seem to harm the Republicans, and you still see their supporters harping on about it. But if it does turn out that there was collusion between Trump's campaign and the Russians, if that doesn't outright undermine Trump's presidency, it heavily damages his political capital (I'd argue, to some extent, that even the insinuations of involvement probably already area).

      So, to put it simply, at worst the Dems come up with a fishing expedition that doesn't catch anything significant, and life goes on. But for a fishing expedition that is supposed to come back empty handed, it has already cost Trump's National Security Advisor his job and has forced Trump's Attorney General to recuse himself from anything to do with the FBI's investigation into Russian activities surrounding the election. That's 1.5 casualties thus far for a supposedly "FAKE NEWS" investigation. Thus we have the spectacle of the Director of the FBI telling Congress there's no evidence of any wiretapping of Trump by the Obama Administration, but that there is an active investigation by multiple branches into links between Russia and the Trump campaign. And it's not like Comney is breathlessly reporting vast conspiracies, he was very cautious and cagey in what he said, appearing neither dishonest or hyperbolic, but simply confirming, as much as he can, to an open hearing.

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    88. Re: FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Domestic surveillance.

    89. Re:FAKE NEWS! by sit1963nz · · Score: 1

      The REALLY funny things is.

      Trump has outed himself as a complete and utter tosser and liar....... publicly, for ALL the world to see. Not just once but over and over again.
      His business credibility has now been shot to hell, no one with a brain in their skull will ever want to do business with him, he has shat in his own nest.
      Worse, he has probably destroyed his families businesses as well.

      ROTFLMAO, what a MORON.

    90. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      But that's how they are designed. Intelligence agencies have to act to some extent at arms length from the government. It's why the Attorney General or its equivalents is somewhat unique in most governing systems, because the job is to be the highest officer of the law in the land, and thus means that that may require investigating other members of government, including, on a pretty rare occasion, the President himself. To have someone like the head of the FBI or the NSA to be a partisan would be a bad thing.

      But really, all this "the intelligence guys are against Trump", with it's more specific "whose leaking the information" seems to me to miss the point. It's pretty obvious that Congress has been aware for a while, and the House and Senate Intelligence Committees have access to a lot of information. Republicans in Congress may be frustrated about the leaks, but some of their colleagues were being apprised of issues with Russia for quite a while now.

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    91. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Translation: No, Clinton operatives did not leak the information, but I need to sex up what actually happened to perpetrate the "evil Clinton Crime Empre" conspiracy I hold so near and dear.

      And for fuck's sake, the WP has been delivered leaked information for a long goddamned time now. Do you feel Nixon got a raw deal because Deep Throat picked Bob Woodward? At the end of the day, leaks suck, but if the leaks actually point to misconduct and malfeasance, ought not your primary concern be those doing bad things, rather than those who blow the whistle?

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    92. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Just how many fake claims can you make in four sentences? I applaud you, sir. That is amazing demonstration of the fevered nature of your imagination.

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    93. Re:FAKE NEWS! by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      So what? How is Russia reporting on hacked emails any different than Rachel Maddow reporting on Trump's tax return? The only thing that has changed is that its now every easy for Americans to get their news from international sources. And that is scaring the crap out of the American corporate media that is accustomed to controlling political narratives.

    94. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before the election? No. People were already voting in most of the country, and who knows how many decided to vote the next day after hearing that news. He did it during the election.

    95. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't know very many people claiming the Russians altered the vote, and I think most people are aware the POTUS isn't selected by popular vote. The claim is that the Russians used a selective information/disinformation release campaign to undermine support for Clinton. And the US isn't the only country where this kind of these kinds of activities have been seen, so why it's so damned unbelievable in the US is beyond me. But at any rate, there seems to be this conflation between "interfering in the election" and "tampering with ballots" used by Trump defenders, the reason being the former has some people in fairly high places stating it happened, whereas the latter is indeed a left-wing conspiracy theory that no one takes seriously.

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    96. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Waiting a few more days to due proper vetting on the new information - which turned out to be nothing, in case you've forgotten - would not have placed Comey in any legal jeopardy. But as you say, "why let facts get in the way of a comforting (but false) narrative?"

    97. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's not trying to shut down, say, CNN, but he wants to limit their access to him.

      I don't blame him. I don't like him, but I was still disappointed in seeing how pro-Hillary (full disclosure: I don't like her either) CNN was, and anti-Trump they were. They should be impartial, and they were not even close. They don't deserve to call themselves journalists.

    98. Re:FAKE NEWS! by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      meh.
      those ppl either do him or vote for him, multiple times over.
      And he still lost the popular vote.

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    99. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it is the truth, it doesn't matter if it came from the Russians or Barney the Dinosaur.

    100. Re: FAKE NEWS! by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Hm, i think i prefer it truncated. As a statement it's sufficiently provocative

    101. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " instead of asking questions related to the actual issues " Bullshit, there was an investigation and then another 2. You're full of it.

    102. Re:FAKE NEWS! by golodh · · Score: 1

      Well ... can you _prove_ that there never was any wiretapping? As in: rigorous, categorical, scientific proof?

      No?

      Thought so. Absence of evidence can always be conspiracy-theorised away. That means that Pres. Tweety and his trusted staff will be able to keep pushing the story for at least as long as they kept the "birther" story alive. And they will.

      I really admire Kellyanne Conway's performance on CNN (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?... ) where she calmly veers off on a tangent with every question asked and keeps on plugging the message and spreading insinuations. You've got to admire her: smart, courageous, dedicated, and totally shameless.

      Besides which ninetynine wingnuts will continue to believe him and Mrs. Conway. Well, such is life.

    103. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      FYI, the reason Trump so strongly believes that Obama spied on him is because he has a history of doing it himself. He routinely snooped on his employees, but even worse he routinely eavesdropped on guests at his own hotel. This eavesdropping was reported before the election, but was mostly missed because it was just another drop in the geyser of shit about him.

      Sources: Donald Trump Listened In On Phone Lines At Mar-A-Lago

    104. Re: FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or as they're called in the real world, "journalists".

    105. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      It's almost like he's a law enforcement officer who's just investigating issues of law enforcement...

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    106. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "MSNBC is actually pretty far left of CNN"
      So reasonably neutral, then? CNN are most definitely not left-leaning unless you actually consider Fox News to be "fair and balanced" (i.e. you have severe learning difficulties).

    107. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      The problem is that while that will certainly play to Trump's supporters, he does not in fact have a lot of supporters in the one place right now where it counts: Congress. For now, Republicans need to play nicey-nice with Trump because they have a legislative agenda they need to get passed, but if the President keeps getting nailed with allegations of links to the Russians, or even worse, investigations end up mapping up clear ties between Trump and the Russians during the campaign, then even a Republican-controlled Congress is going to have an increasingly hard time standing behind the Administration. And he just keeps making it worse by floating newer and more bizarre conspiracy theories with each and every iteration. He's beginning to sound like the kind of demented conspiracy freaks on the Internet, which would be fine, if he was a private citizen, but he's not, and thus the merging of madness and denial with the highest office in the United States is pretty damned frightening.

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    108. Re:FAKE NEWS! by DaHat · · Score: 1

      Wrong.

      False.

      Waiting a few more days to due proper vetting on the new information

      How do you want them to do 'proper vetting' without conducting a search? A search which required a warrant no less? Had the news of the warrant leaked to congress without them being informed of the change of status, then yes, legal jeopardy.

    109. Re:FAKE NEWS! by DaHat · · Score: 0

      I don't know very many people claiming the Russians altered the vote,

      Then why bring it up?

      and I think most people are aware the POTUS isn't selected by popular vote.

      And?

      The claim is that the Russians used a selective information/disinformation release campaign to undermine support for Clinton.

      Often using the term 'election hacking', which is odd, because absent ballots/vote counts being changed, the only thing 'hacked' were private emails, not the actual election.

      Would such a campaign have been acceptable if only US nationals were involved? What if it was a corporation in the form of a news agency engaging in similar tactics for their preferred candidate?

      Oh right, the anger exists only because it was an op done against the left's candidate who lost, everything done to their non-preferred candidate(s) was alright.

      And the US isn't the only country where this kind of these kinds of activities have been seen,

      It's as if... some people may take a vested interest in the the political races and may try to influence the outcome, even in other countries.

      Member that one time, when Obama & crew were working against Netanyahu's re-election bid? I member.

      so why it's so damned unbelievable in the US is beyond me.

      Except for the total lack of hard evidence that it was the Russians. Remember, intelligence agencies saying they think the Russians did it, or that Russia would probably prefer one outcome vs another isn't proof, only reasoned conjecture.

      But at any rate, there seems to be this conflation between "interfering in the election" and "tampering with ballots" used by Trump defenders,

      Says the person who brought up altered votes.

      the reason being the former has some people in fairly high places stating it happened,

      Aren't these the same people/positions who said WMDs in Iraq was a sure thing?

      whereas the latter is indeed a left-wing conspiracy theory that no one takes seriously.

      Yet you bring such things up.

    110. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before) Traitor, should be jailed
      After) Traitor, should be jailed

    111. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the point that the parent was trying to make is not that Trump is trying to marginalize non-Fox news outlets -- of course, he clearly is. But the point was that Trump explicitly promised to enact new libel laws (or "open the libel laws") so that he and other powerful folks could sue left-wing media out of existence (and "make lots and lots of money") if they dare report on things like video recordings of the POTUS, transcripts of interviews with the POTUS, or classified documents leaked by the POTUS' staff and confirmed as legitimate -- you know, the stuff that Trump collectively refers to as FAKE NEWS.

    112. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "whereas the latter is indeed a left-wing conspiracy theory that no one takes seriously."

      I think if anyone is saying this, it's just their lone idiotic fantasy. There is no "left wing conspiracy theory" like this being pushed around.

    113. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and what about the oil companies and the Koch brother doing the same for the ultra conservative right wing groups?

    114. Re:FAKE NEWS! by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      From the Washington Post:

      Today, U.S. Senators Rob Portman (R-Ohio) and Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), Chairman and Ranking Member of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations (PSI), released a bipartisan report examining the U.S. State Department’s grants to OneVoice—a non-governmental organization operating in Israel and the Palestinian Territories. The group received nearly $350,000 in grants from the U.S. State Department to support peace negotiations between Israelis and the Palestinian Authority over a 14-month grant period ending in November 2014. In December 2014, Israeli elections were called following the collapse of peace negotiations.

      The Subcommittee’s investigation concludes that OneVoice Israel complied with the terms of its State Department grants. Within days after the grant period ended, however, the group deployed the campaign infrastructure and resources created, in part, using U.S. grant funds to support a political campaign to defeat the incumbent Israeli government known as V15. That use of government-funded resources for political purposes after the end of the grant period was permitted by the grant because the State Department failed to adequately guard against the risk that campaign resources could be repurposed in that manner or place limitations on the post-grant use of resources.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      To say the Obama Administration worked to screw over Netanyahu's re-election bid is a heavy distortion of what happened.

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    115. Re: FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really do have your own comfortable narrative stopping you from seeing/admitting the facts.

      No matter what Comey's responsibility in terms of updating Congress, it did not need to have been an unclassified letter. Just look at how he treated and still treats any and all investigations regarding Trump. At no point does he sent unclassified letters, during a campaign or otherwise, to Congress about random updates and details concerning investigations. If you pay attention (you aren't), he won't even admit specific investigations exist. Only that, in general, they are investigating someone relating to Russia and the Trump campaign/staff. Every specific question he was asked, he did not comment upon (because it's an ongoing investigation, a completely justifiable reason to keep quiet). Yet that standard did not apply to finding a random device by someone not affiliated with Clinton that may or may not have held pertinent information. He was advised not to write the unclassified letter, yet did so anyhow.

      You can think it was right or wrong, but you cannot claim with any credibility that similar standards are at play here.

    116. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That music video for See was pretty good, eh?

    117. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Russia isn't reporting on hacked emails, Russia hacked the emails and provided them slowly to the press in a way that kept the Clinton campaign responding to criticisms. The Trump campaign/GOP did not have that issue because Russia wasn't releasing the info on them.

    118. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Usually it's the right that brings up the pointless social issues. Maybe you get your news from different sources, but I see plenty of coverage on murders. The average American isn't a Nazi, but the new far right news sources are there to appeal to Nazis. Even Fox humors some of the stories that come out of the crazy-mills like Breitbart

    119. Re:FAKE NEWS! by dbreeze · · Score: 1

      This, kids.

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    120. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh you're going to have a tough time keeping that willfull ignorance up for 8 years.

    121. Re:FAKE NEWS! by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Wow. You are really having a paranoid delusional breakdown. Get some help.

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    122. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Suggesting collusion between Obama and the Brits to wiretap DJT holds about as much water."

      The US and the UK are absolutely in cahoots spying on pretty much everyone (it's called the Five Eyes intelligence alliance) and they watch people indiscriminately, people not even remotely connected to "terror" (ie: Islam). They do target diplomats, industry leaders. The US tries not to be too invasive to it's own people...but the GCHQ is downright Orwellian and feeds the NSA info.

      I miss the days when we had conspiracy theories instead of conspiracy facts. Remember Roswell? That was fun. ...make conspiracy theories great again!

    123. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember that as a country, the US is politically on the far right globally. Many of your "leftist" news organisations are considered right wing over a large section of first world countries.

    124. Re:FAKE NEWS! by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Translation: No, Clinton operatives did not leak the information, but I need to sex up what actually happened to perpetrate the "evil Clinton Crime Empre" conspiracy I hold so near and dear.

      And for fuck's sake, the WP has been delivered leaked information for a long goddamned time now. Do you feel Nixon got a raw deal because Deep Throat picked Bob Woodward? At the end of the day, leaks suck, but if the leaks actually point to misconduct and malfeasance, ought not your primary concern be those doing bad things, rather than those who blow the whistle?

      Apparently that is not his concern when the whistle is being blown against his team.

    125. Re:FAKE NEWS! by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      There was no wiretapping of Trump. Never happened.

      This is clearly an unprovable assertion. What is known is that President Obama tapped Angela Merkel's communications. Now ask yourself, is it plausible that Trump was under surveillance. I think it clearly is.

      What there was was spying on Russians, and the fact that the likes of Flynn and Sessions are such fucking idiots that they would basically use open communication systems to yack with the Russians indicates not only are they traitors, but pretty fucking stupid ones.

      Traitors? We are not at war with Russia and they are not our enemies. The Democrats certainly do hate them though.

    126. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignore the corruption! Blame the messenger!
      -Political Hack Playbook, play #3.

    127. Re:FAKE NEWS! by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      I don't believe anyone is suggesting that actual votes were changed (as in voting machine hacked or something), the accusation is that Russia influenced the election through the slow release of hacked emails and spreading anti-Clinton propaganda.

      I'm going to have to disagree. There's an ongoing attempt to convince the ignorant masses that Russia directly interfered with the election, that's why news stories keep using the words "hacked" and "interfered", they don't use the word "influenced". Also notice how no mention is ever made about the many instances of the United States interfering with other countries' elections, e.g. most recently Israel.

      Russia did not prevent anyone from going to the polls, nor did they cause votes from being tabulated properly. What they arguably did do was release unaltered copies of email messages from people involved with Hillary's campaign that exposed their contempt for certain groups of the American public. Their nastiness was exposed for all to read. Hillary's campaign is crying foul because information was (assumed to have been) leaked selectively and no information that was harmful to Donald's campaign was released. It's the kind of argument a child would make when caught out by their parents, "but Tommy did it too and he's not in trouble! Why am I in trouble?! It's not fair!"

      The Benghazi hearings were proven to be a political charade anyways where even after months of investigations the Republicans couldn't find any wrong-doings.

      Couldn't find any wrong doing?! It's a known fact that the State Department fed the Public a known false story about the attacks happening because of some lame video that some guy who doesn't like Muslims produced when in fact they knew it was a terrorist attack on their weapons smuggling operation. The State Department was smuggling weapons to Syria via Libya.

    128. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Obama campaign asked TWICE for FISA warrants on the Trump campaign, and the 2nd was approved. There is evidence of the government spying on Trump that goes back years. But of course none of this is being reported on the Huffington Post, or Slashdot. Do some googling, you'll find it.

    129. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In June, the Obama Justice Department submitted an application that apparently “named” Trump in addition to some of his associates. As I have stressed, it is unclear whether “named” in this context indicates that Trump himself was cited as a person the Justice Department was alleging was a Russian agent whom it wanted to surveil. It could instead mean that Trump’s name was merely mentioned in an application that sought to conduct surveillance on other alleged Russian agents. President Trump’s tweets on Saturday claimed that “President Obama . . . tapp[ed] my phones[,]” which makes it more likely that Trump was targeted for surveillance, rather than merely mentioned in the application. In any event, the FISA court reportedly turned down the Obama Justice Department’s request, which is notable: The FISA court is notoriously solicitous of government requests to conduct national-security surveillance (although, as I’ve noted over the years, the claim by many that it is a rubber-stamp is overblown). Not taking no for an answer, the Obama Justice Department evidently returned to the FISA court in October 2016, the critical final weeks of the presidential campaign. This time, the Justice Department submitted a narrowly tailored application that did not mention Trump. The court apparently granted it, authorizing surveillance of some Trump associates. It is unknown whether that surveillance is still underway, but the New York Times has identified – again, based on illegal leaks of classified information – at least three of its targets: Paul Manafort (the former Trump campaign chairman who was ousted in August), and two others whose connection to the Trump campaign was loose at best, Manafort’s former political-consulting business partner Roger Stone, and investor Carter Page. The Times report (from mid-January) includes a lot of heavy breathing about potential ties between the Trump campaign and Russia; but it ultimately concedes that the government’s FISA investigation may have nothing to do with Trump, the campaign, or alleged Russian efforts to interfere in the U.S. election by hacking e-mail accounts. Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/...

    130. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You build in self-corrections for lack of integrity.

      or your stupid enough to think you can correct for that.

    131. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      I just used the word "Influence" and a quick search shows half a million news stories that do as well. The US interfering in other countries' elections is not in question so there's no reason to talk about it.

      What Russia did was slowly release information in a way to make things look bad for the Clinton campaign and turn off Clinton voters in order to tip the election. Whether or not you agree that it's a fair argument makes no difference to the intent or effect.

      If the House investigations had found any credible wrong doings, they would have published it and taken action. Instead, the worst they could say was "The State Department didn't tell us the truth for a couple days". Imagine if Trump were held to the same standards on the truth by his followers!

    132. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, PHISHING isn't HACKING for fucks sake this is supposed to be a board populated by Geeks learn the difference.

      Second there is ZERO PROOF Russia sent the phishing email. Assange should know, and he doesn't have a track record of lying about sources.

      Third the whole thing is intended to deflect from the CONTENT of the emails, as a clear dyed in the wool progressive liberal go read the fucking emails yourself and you be the judge of your own party. I read the emails and I was HORRIFIED at what those people wrote to each other. And no I am not a Trumper, or a paid operative of the FSB, or any such crap. I'm posting anonymously because don't have time to argue with ideologues who repeat talking points they didn't think of themselves.

    133. Re:FAKE NEWS! by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      no evidence of Obama wiretapping Trump, and confirmation that the FBI is investigating links between Trump's campaign and Russia.

      Feel like it's the 1990s again with Bill Clinton. No evidence that Obama was wiretapping Trump. Carefully chosen words. He's talking about the classic definition of wiretapping, Trump put it in quotes meaning that type of an idea. He also said Obama, meaning Obama didn't specifically order a tap, which is probably true. However you can bet your life that he knew about it. Nobody doubts that.

      Also, there's that inconvenient NYTimes article where they say there's a transcript of what General Flynn said. He was in Trump Tower at the time. So if there was no wiretap, how did they get that transcript?
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...

      Those darn facts again. They want it both ways.

    134. Re:FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we trust Comey?

      Has Trump fired him?

    135. Re: FAKE NEWS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes you are right but what is being discussed is the supposed collusion between Russia and the Trump Campaign yet no definitive evidence of that has been provided. Yeah I know you or the govt. will say "it's classified or we should trust people in our intelligence community" but I'm not one to just blindly believe what govt. officials and the MSM have to say. If you do, good luck being a bahhh bahhh...I mean a good citizen.

    136. Re:FAKE NEWS! by strikethree · · Score: 1

      That makes the e-mail poison fruit. The fact that they we taken by a foreign power makes the whole event into a attack on our country. You are apologizing for the FSB attacking our core mission as a country for your own simplistic tribalism. That makes you a domestic enemy of the constitution.

      Interesting way of spinning things.

      The emails were not "taken by a foreign power", they were given away by insiders. The fact that a foreign power attempted to use them to their advantage is... well, let's just say that it is unsurprising.

      I am unsure what you are going on about as far as "core mission" goes; however, your accusation of tribalism and then accusing the OP of being a domestic enemy... it is just an amazing example of hypocrisy.

      Long story short, I have mod points and wanted to mod you down (something I rarely do) but figured offering you a reflection would be more valuable.

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  3. Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this the same Comey that claimed Hillary didn't violate any laws with her home brew email server containing top secret information?

    1. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Informative

      claimed Hillary didn't violate any laws

      Incorrect. He said she did break the law, but he didn't recommend prosecuting her for it.

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    2. Re:Comey? by Carewolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      claimed Hillary didn't violate any laws

      Incorrect. He said she did break the law, but he didn't recommend prosecuting her for it.

      Wrong, they said they didn't find any evidence of criminal activities, and recommended closing the investigation.

      This is the same guy that a week before the election said they found new evidence, but wait, not they hadn't. And never told anyone they were investigating Trump.

    3. Re:Comey? by guises · · Score: 1

      Could you source this? All I remember is something about "nothing actionable."

    4. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wrong, they said they didn't find any evidence of criminal activities, and recommended closing the investigation.

      Wrong. He said they didn't find any intent to commit criminal activities, which was previously not a requirement for prosecuting mishandling of classified materials.

    5. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wrong, they said they didn't find any evidence of criminal activities, and recommended closing the investigation.

      No, he said she violated the law surrounding the handling of classified materials, but that the punishment for the manner in which she did so would be administrative, like getting fired or having your security clearance revoked. Since she was no longer employed by the government, firing her isn't really an option.

      But he absolutely did not say she did nothing wrong. He said she did do something wrong, just not wrong enough to go to jail. If the cop catches you jaywalking and lets you off with a warning instead of a ticket, that doesn't mean you didn't do anything against the law. You did do something against the law: jaywalking. The cop is just choosing not to punish you for the illegal thing you did. Comey and Lynch chose not to pursue punishment against Hillary for the illegal thing she did.

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    6. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Wrong, they said they didn't find any evidence of criminal activities, and recommended closing the investigation."

      What he said was they didn't find intent. Ignoring the fact that intent isn't necessary in the actually statute...

      "Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past."

      It certainly SOUNDS like they found evidence of violations of the statutes -- which means "crime". BTW, again, intent isn't required by the statute.

    7. Re:Comey? by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Informative
      Why are you lying? Isn't it sort of silly when the fact your lying is so easily established through publicly available records and actual video recordings of people like Comey explaining things to us?

      In the week before the election, he notified congress that a separate criminal investigation DID turn up new evidence related to the investigation of Clinton's mishandling of classified information. Why was it new evidence? Because Clinton and her aides (who had been granted immunity) said they had already turned over every scrap of data or device containing any record of the emails that Clinton handled from the internet-connected server she ran out of her house. This wan't true, of course. They had NOT turned over all of that data, or the devices on which it was stored. Because Clinton's closest aide had hundreds of thousands of such records on a laptop in her home - something that didn't come to light until the investigation into her husband's criminal activity exposed that fact. The FBI told congress about this, because congress was in the middle of investigations that relied on the FBI providing them with all such information, and the FBI - which had taken Clinton at her word that all such material had been turned over - suddenly found themselves with hundreds of thousand of new records to sort through, some of which might indeed cover some of the material that Clinto had destroyed while under subpoena. You don't think that matters? Or more to the point, you so wish it weren't the case that you're willing to try to lie it away from having happened?

      And never told anyone they were investigating Trump.

      Gee, I wonder why? Maybe it's because they WEREN'T "investigating Trump" at the time, and still aren't. They're investigating the manner and degree to which the Russians tried to influence public opinion during the election, and owing to political pressure, are including in that investigation whether or not individuals "associated with the campaign" had anything to do with such activity. They've also said, more than once, that they've seen no evidence at all that indicated any such thing. So what is it exactly that you're thinking they were supposed to disclose? They have nothing to show because they haven't seen anything - unlike in the Clinton case, where they had abundant evidence of her repeatedly lying, destroying evidence, and more. They pointed out that they weren't going to be able to get the Obama administration to prosecute the case, though they did say that if had been anyone else (besides Clinton) things would have been handled differently. I know, you're really trying to wish all of that away.

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    8. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the laws she didn't break?

    9. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System

      The relevant part:

      Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

      In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

      To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions.

      So, what she did was wrong and illegal (mishandling of classified documents), and that it's very likely someone doing this would be punished (administrative sanctions like getting fired, losing security clearance, etc). However, in his opinion, they would not be subject to criminal prosecution. And remember this is all the FBI can do...say that there is a case or is not a case. They can't find you guilty as that's the purpose of a trial.

      Now, the next point of dispute here would be that the statute surrounding the handling of classified material that she violated doesn't say anything about "intent," so it doesn't matter what she intended by mishandling the classified material, she could still be prosecuted. Your opinion on whether what Hillary did was wrong enough to merit prosecution is likely dependent on whether you vote R or D, but to say Comey and the FBI determined that Hillary did nothing wrong is completely false. It is wrong and illegal for a person with a security clearance to have classified and SAP information on a private server in their bathroom, the FBI says that's what Hillary did, but not so egregiously that it merits prosecution.

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    10. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay. I can work with that analogy.
      So, having government email on a private email server is like jaywalking. It's a minor offence and the law that punishes it carries no real penalties.
      So what would colluding with another government to influence the outcome of a presidential election be like? Grand Theft Auto?

    11. Re:Comey? by tinkerton · · Score: 2

      I doubt coming up with the new information about the Clinton leak was Comey's initiative. It's more that he did not see any way to withhold the new information. I recall that the problem was that if he didn't disclose it others would. So he sent out the information and tried to minimize the damage. Which did not work very well.

      As for the current Trump investigation, I can imagine Comey did not see any way to refuse it either. Trump called on the FBI earlier to speak out and say the whole Russia-Trump link was bullshit, (it is) but the FBI seems to have preferred to stay out of it. So I expect the FBI to come up with whatever they find and leave it to others to whip up a frenzy and act as if it's very serious.

    12. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Comey said "Likely". Its still America, you can't have violated the law without a trial to determine it. There was no trial due to lack of evidence.

    13. Re:Comey? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe it's because they WEREN'T "investigating Trump" at the time, and still aren't.

      According to the FBI director, there is an investigation into whether "associates of Mr. Trump were in contact with Russian officials, and whether they colluded with them."

      Now, you may say this is not "investigating Trump", but in government corruption investigations, the FBI always works their way from "associates" inward to the main guy. These are not people that anyone would trust not to "flip" on the boss if they're facing jail time.

      The noose is tightening. You can tell from the panicked tweets.

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    14. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, having government email on a private email server is like jaywalking. It's a minor offence and the law that punishes it carries no real penalties.

      No, the analogy was not meant to relate the severity of the crime of jaywalking to the severity of the crime of mishandling classified information. I was just giving an example of the commission of a crime that law enforcement chooses to exercise discretion against prosecuting. These are generally malum prohibitum crimes, not malum in se, because no one would understand an analogy in which the officer decided to let you off with a warning for rape and murder.

      So what would colluding with another government to influence the outcome of a presidential election be like? Grand Theft Auto?

      I don't know. What law does that break? I mean, we have lots of examples of representatives of other governments influencing our election. Trudeau spoke out for Hillary and against Trump. Was that Canada trying to influence our elections? Nigel Farage spoke at a Trump rally. He's an elected representative of the UK in the EU, is that the UK or the EU influencing our election? Obama went to Britain and spoke against Brexit. Was he colluding with the UK government to influence that referendum?

      Assume Putin personally haxx0red the DNC and phished Podesta. What would he need to collude with the Trump campaign for? Clearly Putin would prefer someone who wants to ally with Russia against their common enemy (ISIS/general Islamic jihad) rather than someone who wants to set up a no fly zone for Russian planes over Syria and remove Putin's ally Assad. What's there to collude over? Just hack and release. There's no communication necessary. Assuming Putin was behind the hacking, do you think he would have done the same thing had, say, Rand Paul (also against intervention in Syria) been the nominee instead of Trump?

      So, I'd need to know what law specifically (give me the statute numbers, please) you're alleging Trump broke to gauge the severity of the crime.

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    15. Re:Comey? by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Right about one thing. There should be a trial for Hillary. Still can be.

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    16. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System

      Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.

      There was not a lack of evidence. There was a decision not to act on the evidence.

      Is a person with security clearance sending, receiving, creating, and storing classified material on a private server in their bathroom illegal? Yes.

      Was Hillary doing that? Yes.

      Did they decide to prosecute her for it? No.

      There was no trial due to lack of will, not lack of evidence.

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    17. Re:Comey? by nbauman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System

      The relevant part:

      Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

      In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts.

      So, what she did was wrong and illegal (mishandling of classified documents), and that it's very likely someone doing this would be punished (administrative sanctions like getting fired, losing security clearance, etc). However, in his opinion, they would not be subject to criminal prosecution. And remember this is all the FBI can do...say that there is a case or is not a case. They can't find you guilty as that's the purpose of a trial.

      to say Comey and the FBI determined that Hillary did nothing wrong is completely false. It is wrong and illegal for a person with a security clearance to have classified and SAP information on a private server in their bathroom, the FBI says that's what Hillary did, but not so egregiously that it merits prosecution.

      Comey says here that there are "potential violations," but that's not "violations."

      "Potential" can mean that you might find a violation after investigating more facts and more laws (but you might not), and you weren't able to find it so far. In other words, it's a prosecutor's speculation that a violation might (or might not) have occurred.

      Saying that "no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case" is legal-speak for saying that he found no provable violations, or in simple language, as far as the legal system is concerned, she's innocent. It's not just that she doesn't "merit" prosecution, but that the prosecutor doesn't think a prosecution could succeed. If the courts would never accept a situation like this, then in our legal system of common law and precedent, it's not illegal.

      BTW a "violation" is not the same as a "crime."

    18. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      No, he has to say "evidence of potential violations" because it's up to a court to determine that there were violations.

      Saying that "no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case" is legal-speak for saying that he found no provable violations, or in simple language, as far as the legal system is concerned, she's innocent.

      No. No, absolutely not. It is not the place of law enforcement to say someone is "innocent." He specifically says there's evidence of violations and you're spinning that into "innocent."

      Did Hillary send, receive, create and store classified material on a private server in her bathroom? Yes.

      Is that a violation of the law? Yes.

      Are they going to prosecute? No.

      That is in no way the same as being "innocent." If that's "innocent," then you're okay with any Joe Blow with a security clearance keeping top secret material on a server in their bathroom?

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    19. Re:Comey? by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      With our justice system the way it is right now, that would be an absolute shit-show.

    20. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like Congress members do not get procecuted for insider trading, or it it Law?

    21. Re:Comey? by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Wrong, they said they didn't find any evidence of criminal activities, and recommended closing the investigation.

      No, he said she violated the law surrounding the handling of classified materials

      No she violated the rules. Which is a firing offense from a job she no longer held. Breaking the security practices at work is not a crime unless you do it with malice.

    22. Re: Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point, I wouldn't bet even odds against trump trying to fire off a nuke or raid NK to get a rally around the flag moment of distraction when twitter fails to do it for him.

      The man wont serve four years. The shame is Pence might get to finish he term, but at least his crazy is traditional republican praise god, fuck the poor/darkies/women. As a non poor, white man im not in his first two hundred fifty million preferred domestic targets.

      Hopefully Rand Paul will get in if they catch Pence's collusion and then we can just have a failed economy like Bush, instead of failed economy, war, race riots and maybe nuke fallout from smuggled weapons.

    23. Re:Comey? by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      No, he has to say "evidence of potential violations" because it's up to a court to determine that there were violations.

      No. Carelessness is not a crime or anywhere near being a crime unless you can prove malice, and she was never accused of maliciously being careless with the purpose of being hacked and leaked.

    24. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      No she violated the rules

      That "rule" is a federal law.

      Breaking the security practices at work is not a crime unless you do it with malice.

      18 USC 1924:

      (1) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, (2) by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, (3) knowingly removes such documents or materials (4) without authority and (5) with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location [shall be guilty of this offense].

      I don't see anything in there about "malice." You just have to do the thing to be guilty. Whether you're doing the thing maliciously or just for the hell of it is irrelevant.

      Hillary did the thing. I don't think there's any dispute about this. Comey chose not to recommend prosecution because shrug.

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    25. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Just like Congress members do not get procecuted for insider trading, or it it Law?

      No, by law they're exempt from insider trading rules. I don't think that should be the case, but literally they're exempt. No one is just "deciding" not to prosecute them for something they could be prosecuted for.

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    26. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      we have lots of examples of representatives of other governments influencing our election. Trudeau spoke out for Hillary and against Trump.

      I've got an even better example: The Obama Administration gave $350K to help Netanyahu's opponent win the election. The official claim was that they had absolutely no idea that the money would be used to influence the election, despite the fact that the group had sent an email describing their plan to Consul General Michael Ratney. Mr. Ratney's explanation is that he deleted their email without reading it because it was large.

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

      The liberals have a habit of demanding that prominent Republicans should publicly denounce things. I'd like to find all the people advancing this "Russian hacking" thing and ask them whether they will denounce the Obama Administration's efforts to interfere in the election in Israel. (I'll bet they won't, even though they could just lie and say they do disapprove. Just like all the SJW's knew that Obama was lying when he claimed to be against gay marriage while running for President, the people pushing this Russian hacking thing could claim that they are against all governments interfering with elections even though they really just don't want it to be done to them.)

      Assume Putin personally haxx0red the DNC and phished Podesta. What would he need to collude with the Trump campaign for?

      The theory I favor: Putin and everyone else in Russia expected Hillary Clinton to win the election; the plan wasn't to use nefarious means to make Trump win, but to lay groundwork for applying pressure against her.

      There's this idea going around that Russia wanted President Trump because he's a big fat idiot and they will have an easy time pushing him around. Yet Hillary has done all sorts of things that would open her up to blackmail, while Trump has so far been about as easy to push around as a bull in a china shop. (Even if you deplore what's happening to the china shop, you have to admit the bull is not easy to push around.)

    27. Re:Comey? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      It's already been a shit show.

      If you let dogs shit in the house without consequences, expect a super shitty house.

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    28. Re:Comey? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Generally a conviction requires at least some nod towards intent. Yes, she broke the law, but without demonstrating intent, her lawyers likely could get her off, or at least with a much reduced punishment. And as others have pointed out, this is an administrative sanction, so the likely punishment would be pretty moderate. And generally when anyone is pondering a prosecution, the likelihood of conviction is weighed pretty heavily, and where it is deemed that the likelihood is small, it's often the case that charges won't be laid.

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    29. Re:Comey? by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We will reach the Nixonian "what did he know and when did he know it" at some point soon. Even the Republicans on the committee could only really gripe about leaks, which tells you even they know that this hearing is going to reach some damned dangerous ground. And don't imagine for a second that they'll sacrifice their political careers to keep a Republican President afloat.

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    30. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, I'd need to know what law specifically (give me the statute numbers, please) you're alleging Trump broke to gauge the severity of the crime.

      Nice red herring.

      Nobody is saying that Trump broke the law if the Russians colluded to get him elected. He might have, but that's not the current point of the elections.

      It's currently a fact-finding and name-and-shame type thing. That's why the Democrats aren't calling for his impeachment or being prosecuted. It's more a "did you know that XYZ warlord in Africa uses child labor to mine the diamonds on your ring?"

      If the Russians were behind the various releases of anti-Clinton information and campaigns, I would think the American public would be interested, even if they aren't illegal per say. And if did actually break the law (such as taking international funding for the presidential campaign), then they should definitely be aware of it and there is grounds for impeachment.

    31. Re:Comey? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Dogs? Heck, we have donkeys and elephants shitting! Way worse than mere dogs.

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    32. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      Generally a conviction requires at least some nod towards intent.

      Only if intent is part of the law. It's not part of all laws by default. We really prefer them to be written that way, with a mens rea component, but our lawmakers have gotten shittier and shittier and they write shitty laws now. The laws about mishandling classified information are strict liability. Same as an awful lot of states' laws about, say statutory rape. Nobody cares if you didn't know she was 15, or you didn't intend to sleep with a 15 year old. Did you do it? Yes. Guilty.

      There's no mens rea requirement in the law about mishandling classified information. She did the thing. They chose not to prosecute, which is a matter of opinion. If you agree with that opinion, you're probably a Democrat. If you disagree you're probably a Republican.

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    33. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      But isn't the FBI a law enforcement agency? If there's no potential crime, then what are they investigating?

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    34. Re:Comey? by backwardsposter · · Score: 1

      Careful... you'll find that slashdot has a heavy supply of deniers on this subject. Despite how easy it is to find reports on exactly what you said.

    35. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      18 USC 1924:

      (1) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, (2) by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, (3) knowingly removes such documents or materials (4) without authority and (5) with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location [shall be guilty of this offense].

      There is no malice required. This is a strict liability statute. She did the thing, intent is irrelevant, they chose not to prosecute. If you agree with that choice you're probably a Democrat and if you disagree you're probably a Republican.

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    36. Re: Comey? by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      I'm really tired of seeing this same racist/misogynist bullshit repeated time and time again. Even Obama and Clinton were calling for securing the borders previously, including fence/wall building. It's on youtube if you don't believe me. Obama also put a hold on people entering from the same countries that Trump is trying to temporarily ban. Your reply is all echo-chamber.

      If the sore losers somehow manage to knock Trump out of power before the next Presidential election, prepare for all hell to break loose. That will be a call to arms that I believe will lead to the end of the United States. We're already heading that direction with the judicial branch shitting all over the executive branch.

      Your mention of race riots is humorous given that Obama started that, not anyone in the GOP. Nuclear fallout? Thank Hillary for her uranium deal and Obama for letting Iran do whatever it wants.

    37. Re:Comey? by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      For you it is, for others it was the last eight years.

    38. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are investigating "associates" of the Trump campaign. This is a general term that can include many people including Trump himself. Indeed it would require naivete to the point of idiocy to actually believe that Trump is not being investigating. There's smoke. There's fire. All surrounding the same guy. Trump. You bet your chaw spittin butt Trump is investigated.

    39. Re:Comey? by bfpierce · · Score: 1

      That's a regulation and/or rule, not a law.

      The more you know.

    40. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong, they said they didn't find any evidence of criminal activities, and recommended closing the investigation.

      Wrong. He said they didn't find any intent to commit criminal activities, which was previously not a requirement for prosecuting mishandling of classified materials.

      Wrong. The mens rea requirement for the relative statutes is intent or gross negligence, the latter of which requires conscious disregard, i.e. intentional disregard, for the need to use reasonable care. Comey determined that neither intent nor gross negligence could be shown, and accordingly recommended that no charges be brought.

    41. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assume Putin personally haxx0red the DNC and phished Podesta. What would he need to collude with the Trump campaign for? [...] Just hack and release.

      Honestly, this is the best argument I can think of against collusion, if the only goal is to influence the election.

      Presumably, the motivation for collusion is to let the Trump team know that they have powerful friends in Russia who might need a favor one day. "Comrade Trump, we might have some information very damaging to the Clinton campaign, and we're not sure what to do with it. We could publish it, in the interest of fairness and openness between our two countries, be we would expect the US to reciprocate by removing the silly and unfair Ukrainian sanctions."

    42. Re:Comey? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      He specifically says there's evidence of violations and you're spinning that into "innocent."

      No, he specifically said there was evidence of potential violations.

      Quote it correctly, or understand that others are ignoring you because you're spinning.

      Further, the rule is "innocent until proven guilty. Remember? USA and all that?

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    43. Re:Comey? by kevmeister · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I worked at a secure facility for several years and had a high clearance for over 20 years. While I can't get into specifics, I am aware of several cases of people taking classified documents home with them, putting classified mail on an unclassified server, copying classified documents onto an external drive, etc. In one particularly bad case a modem was connected to a terminal on the classified network.

      In all cases it was determined that the violations were either unintentional or without criminal intent. Usually it was to work on the classified data/documents at home in order to get some critical work done. All were punished administratively with no charges filed. I was not privy to he punishment though I know that in one case where the person was terminated.

      The only case I am aware of that went to prosecution was a system admin who installed a private web server which was serving softcore porn (nudes) to some friends. The NY Times learned about it. He was terminated, fined, and perhaps given a suspended sentence.

      Based on this experience, I would say not taking criminal action against Hillary Clinton was in line with many other cases.

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    44. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "He specifically says there's evidence of violations"

      No, still wrong, again, again.

      " evidence of potential violations". Not "evidence of violations".

      "Did Hillary send, receive, create and store classified material on a private server in her bathroom?" Yes

      Wrong again. There's no statement on whether this is the case.

      "Is that a violation of the law? Yes."

      Correct there, that would be.

      "Are they going to prosecute? No."

      Correct again.

      "That is in no way the same as being "innocent."

      Yes it is. Innocent until proven guilty if the legal standpoint. It might not be the actual standpoint, but we as people not involved make that decision with the authority being our own selves. It isn't universal truth. If we go down that road, I'm %100 in the "right" to say definitively "Trump colluded with Russia to win the campaign" with an equal credibility of fact and authority.

    45. Re:Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The law in question requires the actor to have intent.

      There was not intent.

      The law wasn't broken.

      If you want to prosecute her for doing something stupid, or exposing secrets, then write a new law because the one you have requires intent for it to be a crime.

    46. Re: Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, how long has it been since you took your meds

    47. Re:Comey? by soc_cost_priv_gains · · Score: 1

      That explains why nearly all of them are millionaires. Think of all the inside info they get from lobbyists.

    48. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      The law in question requires the actor to have intent.

      It literally does not.

      18 USC 1924:

      (1) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, (2) by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, (3) knowingly removes such documents or materials (4) without authority and (5) with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location [shall be guilty of this offense].

      It's strict liability. No intent required. Do the deed, you're guilty.

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    49. Re:Comey? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      "Comrade Trump, we might have some information very damaging to the Clinton campaign, and we're not sure what to do with it. We could publish it, in the interest of fairness and openness between our two countries, be we would expect the US to reciprocate by removing the silly and unfair Ukrainian sanctions."

      And Trump, being a shrewd deal maker who understands leverage would say "ha! You know and I know that Hillary wants Assad removed because she's getting paid by the Saudis and Qatar so they can run their pipeline through Syria instead of yours. You know I don't give a shit about that. So it doesn't matter what I say about sanctions, you're going to release those things anyway."

      There's nothing Trump needs to give Vlad to make him release the emails. And doing so would be retarded, because then you're making a deal with the devil. Now Putin can tank Trump's presidency at any time by revealing their collusion.

      So it just doesn't make any sense. If Trump doesn't collude, Putin releases the emails. If Trump does collude, Putin releases the emails and can now blackmail Trump. Trump doesn't gain anything by colluding, and risks everything. Very bad deal, and I think even Trump's worst critics have to admit he always makes sure he comes out ahead in deals.

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    50. Re: Comey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm really tired of seeing this same racist/misogynist bullshit repeated time and time again.

      Oh you are? When have you opposed it? Ever?

      Even Obama and Clinton were calling for securing the borders previously, including fence/wall building. It's on youtube if you don't believe me.

      Trump actually claims they wanted open borders. It's right there.

      More to the point, none of them claimed there was a need for a Wall as vast as Trump's, let alone that Mexico would pay for it.

      Obama also put a hold on people entering from the same countries that Trump is trying to temporarily ban.

      Obama did not put a hold on people entering with actual visas and permits already, but held up further processing of refugee visas.

      Your reply is all echo-chamber.

      Ironic.

      If the sore losers somehow manage to knock Trump out of power before the next Presidential election, prepare for all hell to break loose. That will be a call to arms that I believe will lead to the end of the United States.

      You still believe in Jade Helm and Fema Camps, don't you?

      We're already heading that direction with the judicial branch shitting all over the executive branch.

      You mean actual judges recognizing the hysteria caused by Trump's Mill-considered is in your mind, mere pique, and thus the judges are at fault?

      Huh. Good show of your partisan leanings there.

      Your mention of race riots is humorous given that Obama started that, not anyone in the GOP.

      No, sorry, that Ohio Campaign chair was wrong.

      Nuclear fallout? Thank Hillary for her uranium deal and Obama for letting Iran do whatever it wants.

      To the contrary, it did the exact opposite. For far less than any of the other options.

    51. Re:Comey? by CountZer0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, she *is* innocent, until proven guilty in a court of law. If the FBI says there is not enough evidence to bring a case before a court of law, then she is innocent, as she has not been proven guilty in a court of law.

    52. Re: Comey? by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      They wanted a wall when it was advantageous to them, then they wanted open borders when that was more popular. They'll say whatever they think will get them more votes and then do little to nothing once in office. Trump's campaign was about restoring us to a nation with laws. It has nothing to do with race or gender or any of that. It has everything to do with enforcing the laws we already have.

      There is nothing ill considered about Trump's order. Protecting the homeland comes first. Guests of the country don't have guaranteed entry to this country. The executive branch absolutely has the power under law to withhold entry if national security is at stake, If you don't believe national security is at stake, you need only look at France, Germany, or Sweden.

      The Iran situation was a joke. The previous administration did everything short of handing them nuclear weapons. They also broke the law by paying off a ransom in the dark of night. But that was how that administration operated, without transparency, in flagrant violation of US law. And the left still wonders how Trump won.

    53. Re:Comey? by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      A regulation carries the force of a law. Just ask anyone of the thousands of innocent people that have run afoul of the EPA regulations, or any of the other intentionally bad, America destroying regulations BHO's admin put out.

      If there was a good regulation that was passed, it was by mistake I'm sure.

  4. The guy who cleared clinton ? by ackkamoto · · Score: 0, Troll

    So the Guy who cleared Clinton of all charges even after she had classified material on a home computer is now feeding the rumor mill again. The globalists are so afraid of Trump they are pushing any agenda to remove him before he can repeal Nafta and H1b visa laws. Comney needs to get fired.

    1. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Duds · · Score: 5, Informative

      So the Guy who cleared Clinton of all charges even after she had classified material on a home computer is now feeding the rumor mill again.

      The globalists are so afraid of Trump they are pushing any agenda to remove him before he can repeal Nafta and H1b visa laws.

      Comney needs to get fired.

      He could probably repeal them a little quicker if he played a little less golf or spend less time getting into twitter feuds with celebrities.

    2. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Yunzil · · Score: 1

      So the Guy who cleared Clinton of all charges even after she had classified material on a home computer is now feeding the rumor mill again.

      You misspelled "The guy who helped Trump get elected by blabbing unfounded info about non-existent links between Clinton and Anthony Weiner."

    3. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whatever was the problem with Clinton was surely of much lesser magnitude than Trump's people having secret dealing with foreign state entities.

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    4. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You mean the guy who announced a reopening of the investigation right before election day because of "new findings", which simple CRC checks conducted in a matter of days showed to be nothing more than cached copies of things that already existed, but which they'd had in their possession for weeks and not acted on until right when it would do the most damage? An announcement that for some reason Republican members of congress seemed to know about in advance but completely blindsided the Hillary campaign? All over an investigation into "classified" emails, the vast majority of which were retroactively classified, and of the few that weren't, most hadn't included any sort of marking at all that would have indicated that they were classified, and of the few of those that had any sort of marking at all, it was a marking that it was generally agreed that the Secretary of State would not be familiar with? All over an email practice carried out by past secretary of states and other members of the federal government, including multiple officials in the Bush administration, and members of the current administration, including the Vice President? All over policies designed to ensure secure handling of a classified documents - leading to the scenario where we now have a president who doesn't use a secured phone at all (he uses a stock Galaxy S3) and whose staff members recently pored over classified documents in a public place, surrounding by media cameras, using more unsecured phones as flashlights, their cameras pointed right toward the documents - and then proudly tweeted about it?

    5. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by lbmouse · · Score: 0

      If it wasn't for Comney, Trumpa Loompa and his Hee-Haw gang might not have ever been able to move into the WH.

    6. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      He could probably repeal them a little quicker if he played a little less golf or spend less time getting into twitter feuds with celebrities.

      Now, now... He spends way more time (and taxpayer funds) flying back and forth to Mar-a-Lago in Florida *every* weekend, and I'm sure he gets some work done on those flights -- or, at least, catches up on nap-time.

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    7. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For sure, Hillary is much better at keeping her secret deals secret.

    8. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by _xanthus_47 · · Score: 1

      "even after she had classified material on a home computer" You are making an assumption here based on what you have heard without actually having seen the evidence. You don't get to pick and choose opinions based on what works for you. Comey cleared Clinton but he was the republican hero when he dropped the bomb about Hillary Clinton being mentioned in Weiner's emails. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

    9. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With 3 fence jumpers at the WH in the last month, I wonder why he wants to use the southern WH more often?

    10. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      This is the guy that probably sunk Clinton's campaign, so I'd hardly call him a Democrat cheerleader. He looks more like the rarer of beasts, a Ness-like bull dog.

      And you understand here that even if you fire Comney, the FBI will continue its investigation, and any attempt by Trump to block that would be a massive abuse of power, and now that Sessions has recused himself, whatever control Trump does indirectly have has been severed.

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    11. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      With 3 fence jumpers at the WH in the last month, I wonder why he wants to use the southern WH more often?

      There's this place called Camp David that is much more secure than Mar-A-Lago. If only Trump was aware of it.

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    12. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      He could probably repeal them a little quicker if he played a little less golf or spend less time getting into twitter feuds with celebrities.

      "Working hard" is negatively correlated with presidential success. Jimmy Carter and Herbert Hoover were famously hard working, yet both failed to achieve many of their objectives, and were not re-elected. Lazy presidents set general directions, and delegate details to others, so more gets done and they can avoid blame if things go wrong.

    13. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      So you don't think the US was involved in any way during the "arab spring" in Libya? Wow. You're a naive little one.

      Trump's a buffoon. Clinton had malice running through her blood.

    14. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Informative

      Whatever was the problem with Clinton was surely of much lesser magnitude than Trump's people having secret dealing with foreign state entities.

      What? So, Hillary Clinton and her husband personally rake in millions of dollars selling access to foreign dictators, and she conducts all of her correspondence on a server in her house in order to avoid FOIA scrutiny of her conduct in such matters, and then fails to turn over her records as she left office (as required by law), and the foot-drags for years and even destroys records while under subpoena ... all while continuing to soak up cash from overseas businesses and governments in anticipation of getting the presidential crown to which she felt entitled ... and you're saying that's not as bad as some imaginary conduct by someone associated with the Trump campaign having done something that Obama's own DNI and other officials have said they've seen absolutely no evidence to suspect happened.

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    15. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering how much money those flights and security cost the US, he could have built half his wall of penises by now

    16. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was screwed either way, withholding information or telling it. I thank he chose not to hide it and show it to the public with something that was potentially big.

    17. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I know right? Why wouldn't anyone who's been under constant surveillance want to go back to the place where people who spy and leak information constantly nest? How many physical intrusions have there been in the last 2 months he's been in office?

      Why is he constantly going back to marlago, right??? I don't get it. I also can't understand why he wouldn't want to subject his wife and youngest son to this.

      It must be because of his skin color, or his hair, or his hands, or how his surname used was changed by an ancestor, or some other thing.

    18. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are back with the results, your blood kool-aid level is .04% blood.

    19. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see... Comey: she had classified material in... "110 emails in 54 conversations". In his speech to recommend not charging Hillary, Comey stated she had classified material but that it would take a braver prosecutor to charge her.

    20. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      and she conducts all of her correspondence on a server in her house in order to avoid FOIA scrutiny of her conduct in such matters

      Has this actually been supported by the investigators? I didn't notice any such news.

      and then fails to turn over her records as she left office (as required by law)

      From what I understand, Bush the Slightly Younger was guilty of exactly the same thing.

      all while continuing to soak up cash from overseas businesses and governments in anticipation of getting the presidential crown to which she felt entitled

      Well, *this* kind of political corruption is apparently common to all participants in your political system. Money wins. Go and reform it.

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    21. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      It was new information that had been subpoenaed, the Clinton camp had hidden it incompetently. It was going to come out. He saved his own ass by releasing it himself. Simple self preservation.

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    22. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The US pretty much got dragged into that. France and Britain were the first to start making plans to do something about Libya, largely because they were very concerned that if Ghadaffi wasn't stopped, hundreds of thousands of Libyan refugees would end up in Western Europe. They wanted US support in part because they wanted to this to be a sort of "Allied action", and in part the US just has the better satellite systems, making the whole job easier. We can debate the value of going into Libya, but at least one should understand why it happened.

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    23. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > He could probably repeal them a little quicker if he played a little less golf or spend less time getting into twitter feuds with celebrities.

      Congress repeals laws, not the executive branch.

    24. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Whatever was the problem with Clinton was surely of much lesser magnitude than Trump's people having secret dealing with foreign state entities.

      What? So, Hillary Clinton and her husband personally rake in millions of dollars selling access to foreign dictators

      I don't like to see Hillary selling access to foreign dictators, any more than I like her selling access to Bear Sterns and domestic corporations. I am not a Hillary fan.

      Trump, however, did things like personally change the Republican platform from supporting arms to the Ukranian resistance to pro-Russian factions. At the same time Trump had business deals with Russians like the "Fertilizer king" which got him hundreds of millions of dollars. This was documented pretty well by Rachel Maddow and others http://www.politifact.com/trut... https://www.washingtonpost.com... http://www.npr.org/2016/08/06/... and, if you prefer the other reality, even the Daily Caller http://dailycaller.com/2016/07...

      So Trump was taking hundreds of millions of dollars from a country run by a dictator and adversary of the U.S., and he subsequently changed U.S. policies to favor that adversary and go softer on him (and defended Putin's killing of political enemies).

      If he is serving the interests of a foreign adversary against the interests of his own country, because of his financial benefit, that's treason.

      Hillary did something similar with her Clinton charity, Bear Sterns speeches, and other corporate favors. However, unlike Trump, she didn't take money from countries that were U.S. adversaries, but from "friendly" middle eastern dictatorships. And while I think that corporations like Bear Sterns are enemies of the American people, U.S. law doesn't support me on that.

      Hillary sold out the working class (which should be a crime but isn't).

      Trump sold out the whole country to a foreign enemy in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars laundered as business deals. That's treason.

    25. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, Trump is well aware of Camp David.

      "Camp David is very rustic, it's nice, you'd like it. You know how long you'd like it? For about 30 minutes."

      To rustic. Not owned by the President. Lame.

    26. Re: The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You win the Internet for the day.

    27. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He could probably repeal them a little quicker if he played a little less golf or spend less time getting into twitter feuds with celebrities.

      I like the part where nobody in this country has a fucking clue about how our government works.

      A president can't repeal shit.

      Dude could issue executive doritos on the subjects, but even if they stood, they'd be easily bitchslapped by whoever our next Made in China President is.

      The only viable solution is going through Congress. Good luck with that. Republicans love sucking up to the boss, but they also love them some H1B discounts on a level equal to the Democrats.

    28. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea but camp David doesn't have gold plated toilets!

    29. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by psinet · · Score: 0

      Lol modded 'Insightful"?!?! HAHAHA

      'Feeding the rumour mill' and giving sworn congressional testimony from - and to - some of the nation’s top security officials are not the same thing, Trumpeter.

    30. Re:The guy who cleared clinton ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Source please?

  5. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It all needs to be investigated, From Trump's current list of issues all the way back to seeing just how much involvement Russia had with pushing Clinton through the primaries.

    1. Re:Good by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Totally agree.
      We need a government we can trust. You can't have an honest government or even fight corruption anywhere in the system if it exists at even the highest levels, as it clearly does (on both sides).

      They also badly need to investigate what all the foreign governments "donating" millions to the Clinton Foundation was actually for, and where it actually went.

    2. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regarding investigating the Clinton Foundation, there has been substantial leaks about their financial shenanigans that seem to be underreported, see: https://www.clintonfoundation....

    3. Re:Good by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

      We need a government we can trust.

      Voters say otherwise. I'm hearing that over half of voters distrust Trump and over half distrusted Clinton too. Didn't these two get about 97% of the vote?

      We don't need government we trust; in fact, we prefer government that we think is constantly lying to us. If you don't seem dishonest, we don't want you.

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    4. Re:Good by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      I think most people voted for Trump solely because Clinton was such a blatantly corrupt power-crazy bitch that it just couldn't be ignored. I don't think Trump would have won had the democrats ran a more credible candidate than Hillary (i.e. just about anyone). Unfortunately the election came down to the two worst examples of Americans that currently exist.
      If that doesn't show you that the system is broken/totally corrupt, then nothing does. At least Trump said he wanted to drain the swap. Hillary would have been more of the same and worse.

    5. Re:Good by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Does anybody imagine that politicians are going to be any more trustworthy than the average citizen? While I'm not saying that we should just blindly accept deceit in politics, there's a reality here that politicians are people, and that like anybody else, they can be dishonest and hypocritical. So when you have voters declaring "So-and-so is a liar!", well, I suspect no small number of those people shaking their fists and preparing the tar and feathers are probably every bit as dishonest.

      Where politicians gain the advantage is that they are usually in charge or at least have heavy direct or behind-the-scenes influence on investigations. That's why most modern systems of government create separation of powers, with the assumption that, at worst, everyone is a lying hypocrite, but that not all of them have the same goals. But I don't think that the situation is that dire. Honestly, I don't think most politicians start their careers plotting to rake in vast amounts of money or abuse their powers for the gain of themselves or others. That certainly does happen, and always has, but at the end of the day, in a democracy, politicians do have to justify themselves to the voters.

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  6. bloviated shit gibbon by tekrat · · Score: 1, Troll

    SCROTUS is planning on spending 600 million dollars this year to play golf at Mar-A-Lago every weekend, while cutting Meals on Wheels (which also feeds veterans). He's ripping off the country for his lifestyle of playing golf and watching TV news (Fox, apparently).

    More than 55 days in and so far has achieved nothing except piss off most of the country (approval rating at 37%). He has released documents that show that he and the GOP will cut everything (because Bannon has stated that he wishes to destroy the government).

      If he isn't a Russian stooge sent to destroy us as a nation, then we have honestly elected the worst example of a human being in all of history.

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    1. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by ganjadude · · Score: 1, Informative

      meals on wheels is state funded, not federally funded. as such he cant cut it.

      can we stop spreading bogus claims???

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    2. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Informative

      you have evidence current plays golf more often than Obama did; also we paid for Obama's Hawaii vacations including 2008 vacations before he became president. so, do you really have a point?

      It's been well documented that Trump is spending public tax dollars at rate well over double what Obama did, in order to fund his trips to his private club.

      All the time while Camp David stands empty.

      And then you have secret service costs for Melanie in NYC, and the secret service costs for his sons as the fly all over the world undertaking private business dealings.

      This from a guy who basically campaigned on fiscal conservancy.

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    3. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure, let's play this game.

      Obama's 2008 vacations: total cost to US taxpayer: $4.8 million.
      Every time Trump flies to Mar-a-Lago: cost to US taxpayer: $3.5 million.
      Trump's travel expenses in first month alone: $10 million.

      Total Obama spent over the full 8 years in office, $96 million US taxpayer dollars on security, vacations and travel.
      In the first month alone, Trump spent $97 million US taxpayer dollars on security, vacations and travel.

      So I guess it's fair to call him Parasite Trump.

    4. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole Meals-On-Wheels things is way blown out of proportion. But, then again, to admit that it is would also be to admit that those ebil dirty corporations are doing more to feed these people than the federal government is.

    5. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      official government business was done in Florida, you are not accounting correctly

    6. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by D00MSlayer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Meals on Wheels receives federal grants, so yes, he can cut it.

    7. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      no, not well documented at all with travel that including official government business being counted as pure vacation.

    8. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Informative

      while cutting Meals on Wheels

      This is Fake News, which you know. So, the question is, why are you lying about it? It's something that's so easily debunked that you have to know anyone well-informed will know you're lying - so why do it? Which low-information audience are you taking to, and what do you think you're going to persuade them to do as they take onboard the false narrative you're trying to sell? Really - I'm curious. What's your purpose?

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    9. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      official government business was done in Florida, you are not accounting correctly

      In that case the public record should show who Trump met with during his stays at his private residence. You can't have it both ways.

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    10. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not fake news merely because you can't handle the truth. Here are two questions for you:
      1. Did Trump propose cutting the community development block grant?
      2. Does that grant give substantial funds to meals on wheels?

      The answers are respectively yes and yes which means Trump is indeed cutting funding for meals on wheels.

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    11. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any time the president is on vacation he's not really on vacation he's constantly handling government business. Just because he happened to take a few phone calls and didn't slack off 100% doesn't mean he was doing real business in flordia.

      I shouldn't even have to argue with you, trump is a disaster who advocated abandoning nato, japan, and south korea so that we could be "allies" with putin.. like literally everything else is inconsequential he's a fuckstick who would have started WWIII if he hadn't appointed mattis in order to irritate the outgoing administration.

      Lucky for all of us it turns out mattis is actually incredibly competent and wouldn't let faggots like bannon and trump intimidate him on his worst day which is the sort of thing that got him fired by obama in the first place.

      Like how fucking stupid does the world have to get before you finally get a clue fuckface?

    12. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      SCROTUS

      Don't you mean "President Pussy-grabber" or "Pussy-grabber-in-chief"? I was surprised he didn't grab Angela Merkel by the pussy -- and a little disappointed, she probably would have wheeled around and punched him in the nose (much like on Madam Secretary). Would've been entertaining, seeing him get machoed out like that. xD

    13. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you whine just as loudly about Hillary and Chelsea's $40 million vacation to Egypt a few years ago?

      No. You did not. So shut your hypocritical trap. Idiot.

    14. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by ooloorie · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I didn't vote for Trump, but, gosh, people like you make me glad he won. You're really channeling all the lies, dishonesty, corruption, and violence of his opponents. Keep it up!

    15. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by D00MSlayer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have no clue as to how much his almost-every-weekend visit to FL costs us as taxpayers and to the local community in which Mar-a-Lago is located.

      In one month, it's predicted that he spent $10 million for his trips to Mar-a-Lago. He's done that for the last 2 months now, so he's probably close to $18-$20 million already. Obama spent $97 million over 8 years.

      Don't forget to tally the near $1 million price tag that Palm Beach County has already had to spend of their own money for the extra police staffing and overtime while Trump is at Mar-a-Lago.

      https://www.bustle.com/p/how-m...
      http://www.vox.com/policy-and-...

      Lets also consider the taxpayers cost for Secret Service to shuttle the Trump family around on constant vacations, and Melania's insistence of staying in New York, which itself costs a substantial amount of money for security on a daily basis.

      You can be upset at welfare families all you want but your Emperor is consuming vast amounts of tax payer money simply for playing golf, and will be surpassing what Obama spent in a matter of months.

      But please... don't let these facts remove you from your precious bubble of ignorance.

    16. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by s.petry · · Score: 0

      It's not fake news merely because you can't handle the truth. Here are two questions for you: 1. Did Trump propose cutting the community development block grant?

      Yes

      2. Does that grant give substantial funds to meals on wheels?

      The answers are respectively yes and yes which means Trump is indeed cutting funding for meals on wheels.

      No. The cuts in the discretionary budget account for 3% of the Meals on Wheels budget. There is another 28% which is funded through the non-discretionary budget. The portion being cut is not substantial, you are repeating false information. So here is two questions for you.

      1. Should a program be paid 3 Billion dollars which does nothing but setup cronies with cash, simply because a tiny portion of that cash goes to a good cause?

      1. Should the Federal Government provide _ANY_ funding to _PRIVATE_ organizations?

      The answer to both of those questions should be "no".

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    17. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Straif · · Score: 2

      To be fair it only receives federal grant money in some States and even in those States it's not actually that much of their income.

      In the States where they do receive 'Federal' grant money it is covered under the blanket Federal transfers to States which they can generally spend on anything. In a few cases they use a pittance of that transfer to help fund good programs like Meals but the vast majority of it goes to simple local pork projects.

      Cutting these types of transfers will have more impact on some State level Senators plans on having a Library named after himself than any local Meals on Wheels program.

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    18. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SCROTUS is planning on spending 600 million dollars this year to play golf at Mar-A-Lago every weekend, while cutting Meals on Wheels (which also feeds veterans). He's ripping off the country for his lifestyle of playing golf and watching TV news (Fox, apparently).

      Obama in the last 8 years played more golf than Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods' job is to play golf. Nice double standard there.

    19. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah lets keep trusting those polls that say hillary won

    20. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by sexconker · · Score: 1, Insightful

      trump is a disaster who advocated abandoning nato, japan, and south korea so that we could be "allies" with putin.

      I'd rather be on good terms with the nation that's an actual superpower than:

      1 - Continue to fund a failed organization nearly by ourselves
      2 - Be military allies with a nation that's barred from having a real standing military, even if we've becomes friends since they were Nazi Germany's other half in WWII.
      3 - Be involved with the powder keg that is South/North Korea.

      But of course, it's not a this-or-that scenario.

      We can and should demand that other NATO members pay their own way. We can and should step back a bit from other regions in the far east. We can (and should) be friendly with Russia. They're our actual ally. And yes, so is China. Yeah, both do shady shit most people don't agree with. That's their business, as is our shady shit most people don't agree with. But the media really wants to trump up this Trump/Putin link (despite zero evidence being proffered), while ignoring everything regarding China or everything Clinton has done.

      None of this means we have to abandon NATO or our far east allies. And it doesn't mean we have to lick Putin's boot. It just means we stop paying for everything and we stop stirring shit outside of our borders.

    21. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      not exactly. the federal grants are not earmarked for meals on wheels, they are general fund that states can and do use on meals on wheels all in all 250K of it is a joke in the scheme of things and this really should be a non issue

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    22. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Rhipf · · Score: 3

      There is also the fact that Trump is benefiting directly from these trips to his own resort. Do you really think it is a coincident that he is flying to his own resort to play golf every weekend rather than going to a resort owned by someone else?
      How many weekends did Obama spend in a resort he owned during his first two months in office?
      How much government money was funneled to Obama's businesses in the first two months he was in office (which is what Trump is doing by staying at Mar-a-Lago)

      If you really want "major portions of the bloated fed government removed" then you should really be asking for military cuts not cuts to programs that only contribute 0.1% of the national budget.

    23. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Angela Merkel doesn't have a pussy, she has a growler. With teeth. Trump wouldn't stand a chance, and he knew it.

    24. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      No. The cuts in the discretionary budget account for 3% of the Meals on Wheels budget.

      You said "no" then detailed precisely the nonzero appoint he's cutting. That means "yes he is in fact cutting funding". You then went on to give reasons why you think the cuts are fine. And yet you claim the cuts don't exist.

      Do you have no shame?

      1. Should the Federal Government provide _ANY_ funding to _PRIVATE_ organizations?

      Yes.

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    25. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The meals on wheels thing is easy for fuckstick trump voters to understand.

      If we explained the thousands of other great reasons that the man is a disaster their eyes would glaze over and they'd start regurgitating some complicated right wing narrative about how russia is our friend, japan ruined our VCR industry, and rich people are going to piss money on top of our heads.

    26. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We can (and should) be friendly with Russia. They're our actual ally.

      Russian propagandist confirmed.

    27. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Exactly what is a lie in the GP post?

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    28. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/...

      "The impact is likely to vary from place to place. Every Meals on Wheels affiliate gets money from a different mix of state, local and federal government funds, along with individual donations and philanthropic organizations."

      Sure, they may not be earmarked, but HHS funnels federal dollars for the programs through various agencies. HHS has a proposed budget cut of 16%, which will surely affect the federal funding provided for such programs.

    29. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by D00MSlayer · · Score: 2

      To be fair it only receives federal grant money in some States and even in those States it's not actually that much of their income.

      Every meals on wheels affiliate receives a mix of local, state, and federal funding along with donations. It's not just 'some States.'

      "The majority of Meals on Wheels programs get most of their federal funding through the Administration for Community Living, an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services that serves the elderly and disabled. That agency has a $227 million line-item for "home-delivered nutrition services.""

      HUD also provides some federal dollars to States that end up being provided to Meals on Wheels affiliates, but not nearly as much as HHS.

      http://www.usatoday.com/story/...

      In a few cases they use a pittance of that transfer to help fund good programs like Meals but the vast majority of it goes to simple local pork projects.

      I would have to ask for some sort of proof to back up your claim, as it seems that the federal dollars from HHS goes specifically to health programs for the elderly.

      Possibly the federal dollars that HUD passes out to States gets blown off on local pork, but that's a small fraction compared to what HHS doles out, as previously mentioned.

    30. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by s.petry · · Score: 1

      You specifically stated "Substantial" which I demonstrated as _FALSE_. Read your own words, or did the Russians come in and hack that claim into your post?

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    31. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trips to Florida dont count as government business unless the government is in the business of airing dirty laundry in a public dining room.

    32. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      it's public record that official business done while in Florida. Obama also mixed business and pleasure trips

      just having it one way

      you lose

    33. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by larkost · · Score: 1

      Do you really think that most of President Obama's trips were vacation? Do you think that the President of the United States ever gets anything but a "working vacation"?

      A pretty Apples-to-Apples comparison puts President Trump way ahead of President Obama in costs to defend him, and that is before you start to talk about defending his wife and children (which are a more complicated story). But even more damming is all of the quotes from the campaign when then-candidate Trump talked about how he would never leave the White House because he would be too busy to golf. That promise was truly and thoroughly shredded in the first couple of weeks of his Presidency.

    34. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Straif · · Score: 1

      From your link:

      "The Department of Housing and Urban Development, which administers the community development block grant program that Trump targeted for elimination, couldn't say how much of that money ultimately flows to Meals on Wheels. It's certainly a small fraction: Social services are capped by law at 15% of the block grants, and the most recent HUD figures show all senior services receive about $33 million."

      So even by your own link the maximum amount possibly impacted by the block grant cuts is $33 million nationally and that's only if every single dollar was actually going to Meals on Wheels.

      The $227 million in your quote is not part of the block grant being eliminated, it's part of an entirely separate program. It is possible that that $227 might see some reduction as part of the overall cost cutting but it's a very popular program so even if it is reduced would probably be one of the last programs they'd touch.

      So for the 35% of their budgets that come from Federal monies less than 12% is on the chopping block which is a little over 4% overall.

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    35. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      seems straif already called out your link

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    36. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Straif · · Score: 1

      Just a small correction: Meals on Wheels does not seem to include the block grants in their 35% federal funding calculation so if the $33 million is taken out and calculated separately then the overall impact on Meals on Wheels is about a 5% reduction in funding; that's if every penny of the $33 million where actually going to Meals in the first place which it's not.

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    37. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, your political views can be altered by some content-less collection of insults on Slashdot? That's impressively weak-minded.

      (PS - who modded your content-less post up? They should be embarrassed as well).

    38. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      This from a guy who basically campaigned on fiscal conservancy.

      He campaigned on a lot, but it wasn't on fiscal conservancy. Every candidate gives lip-service to the idea, but it was kind of obvious he wouldn't be that kind of president

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    39. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      So even by your own link the maximum amount possibly impacted by the block grant cuts is $33 million nationally and that's only if every single dollar was actually going to Meals on Wheels.

      That's what HUD provides.

      HHS, through one of their agencies, earmarked $227 million specifically for "home-delivered nutrition services"

      HHS is facing a budget cut of 16%. A part of that cut will most certainly come out of the Administration for Community Living, who administers the "home-delivered nutrition services."

    40. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to admit that all most of this is the fault of the budget director that directly mentioned meals on wheels when discussing the community block grants.

      And that there is absolutely enough other God awful cuts in the budget that anyone pissed off at this, is probably enraged about. Its a horrible budget, created by men without any moral compass that doesn't lead to personal profit.

    41. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      Didn't call it out; simply didn't read the article, as he missed this part:

      The majority of Meals on Wheels programs get most of their federal funding through the Administration for Community Living, an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services that serves the elderly and disabled. That agency has a $227 million line-item for "home-delivered nutrition services."

    42. Re: bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's take 3-28% of your salary and see if you think that is substantial.

    43. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      ok so the feds are NOT directly funding meals on wheels, HHS can still keep that payment the same (or not) and it doesnt change the fact that "trump killing meals on wheels" is false

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    44. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Russia isn't really a superpower. The country is falling apart.

      I'd rather be on good terms with the nation that's an actual superpower than:

    45. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2

      I'll never understand why local law enforcement, like Palm Beach and NYC, would spend extra funds on protecting the President without receiving compensation. Make the President fund protection from his own budget or let him fend for himself.

    46. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      I agree. Any protection for the POTUS should be paid for with federal dollars. NYPD has only received $7 Million compensation out of the $21 Million they stated they have spent to provide security.

    47. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      How is "HHS provides through one of it's agencies $227 Million to "home-delivered nutrition services."(e.g. Meals on Wheels)" not directly funding said program?

      Trump's budget proposal would certainly affect Meals on Wheels, as the money they receive would most certainly be affected by the proposed budget cut that HHS would receive. To think that it would go untouched with a 16% department-wide budget cut would be disingenuous.

    48. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      You specifically stated "Substantial"

      FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS!

      IOW you're making shit up yet again because it appears you have no shame. You are the absolute model of a modern right winger. Don't like the facts? Then make up a bunch of your own.

      Read your own words, or did the Russians come in and hack that claim into your post?

      Possibly they came and hacked it out of my post, given that it's not there.

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    49. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by s.petry · · Score: 1

      YOUR WORDS QUOTED

      2. Does that grant give substantial funds to meals on wheels?
      (emphasis mine)

      You can not seriously be that goddamn stupid.

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    50. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia's GDP is between S. Korea and Australia - other then having a shitload of nuclear weapons they are not a superpower, unless you want to call Canada and Brazil superpowers...

    51. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      And, just as I thought, you are unable to point to actual lies in the GP post. You are just full of shit.

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    52. Re: bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the girl working the McDonalds till has totalled up more numbers than Stephen Hawking. Guess we'll be getting fries with that grand unified theory.

    53. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why's Obama's spending the gold standard?

    54. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Argle blargle brain fart. Apparently I did say that.

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    55. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only sense in which the US "pays" for NATO is this: that it spends over 3% of its GDP on its military (compared with a NATO target of 2%).

      The way to stop "paying" that is simple, it requires no renegotiation with any other country, it's completely within the power of Congress. They could do it today if they wanted to, and there'd be no blowback from allies. All you have to do is cut military spending by about 30-40%.

      And yet, that's not what's on the table. Why not?

    56. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More bullshit. Obama's current vacation out of the country without the wife and kids is costing the taxpayers a pile even now. He's never going to stop costing the country money.

    57. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fiscal conservancy only applies to the poor, sick or elderly. #MAGA

    58. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the admission, most would not bother. The question around Meals on Wheels I asked earlier are still valid. I believe that we would agree that the majority of their federal funds is not being cut. The 3% could easily be added to the non-discretionary budget if it was deemed necessary. Meaning, we would not need to keep a 3+Billion dollar program simply to hand a couple bucks to Meals on Wheels.

      As someone smarter than me pointed out the other day, why are these extremely wealthy elites not chipping in to pay the full bill? It's peanuts for Gates, or Zuckerberg, or Cuban, or Bezos, or Musk, or any of these other corrupt cronies who keep taking from the system and demanding that we (lower => middle class) keep paying more and more. Meanwhile they keep getting richer and richer.

      I don't pay federal taxes to have my wealth re-distributed to charities of someone else' choosing. I like to choose where my money goes, and do so when possible. At a better than 40% tax rate (California, Fed, Fica), there really is not much left over for charity though.

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    59. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We can and should demand that other NATO members pay their own way

      This alone shows that you have drunk the cheeto flavoured kool-aid and have no idea how NATO operates.

      NATO members pay for their own standing armies, they are not subsidised.

      NATO membership includes a commitment that says you should be spending a certain percentage of your GDP on defense. The bone of contention is that other members have not been spending enough to meet the commitment, even though they have been raising % spending. In other words, their armies "aren't large enough".

      Many countries are literally finding it difficult to increase military spending without going down the US route of boondoggles to siphon taxpayer money into the military-industrial complex. They aren't set up that way.

      The short version is that NATO members owe the US squat in terms of money.

      We can (and should) be friendly with Russia.

      Russia has recently annexed the Crimea and show no signs of slowing down, eyeing up the eastern Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia, all the while attempting to destabilise major European countries in the same manner. It's apparent that Russia has big ambitions.

      Russia is by all accounts a oligarch-run criminal hellhole where civil rights and opposition parties are being stamped out and a cult of leadership is in place. Nobody in their right mind wants to see their country become part of Russia.

      Maybe the current US administration thinks it can be friendly with Russia, but that immediately sets the US against the rest of NATO and the EU.

      None of this means we have to abandon NATO or our far east allies. And it doesn't mean we have to lick Putin's boot. It just means we stop paying for everything and we stop stirring shit outside of our borders.

      Well, as a matter of fact legitimising Russia's behaviour *is* abandoning your allies.

    60. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      simply, they fund HHS - HHS decides what to spend the money on. if meals on wheels is as important as everyone is making it out to be, they will simply cut other p[laces in HHS, maybe get rid of some bureaucrats and redundancy. that would be the logical answer

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    61. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by houghi · · Score: 1

      At least his adult kids pay everything themselves, right?

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    62. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      Again, you're being obtuse with your flawed perspective of how government budgets work. HHS takes a proportionate amount of their budget and hands that to the Admin. for Community Living, they then take that and split it up into different programs. If you take out nearly 1/5th of HHS's budget the proportionate amount that ACL gets will be smaller.

      I'm sure there are some areas of ACL's budget that have a lower priority than others, but EVERY service they fund will be reduced across the board, big or small, and the home-delivered nutritional services is one of the bigger pieces of the pie, so it will likely suffer a bigger loss than other services.

      It's not as simple as you'd like it to be, plainly put.

    63. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

      These cost estimates, of course, can be found on reliable sites like the Huffington Post, Think Progress, The Center for American Progress, and Media Matters for America. In actual government documents, nope.

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    64. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      Whatever you want to tell yourself, buddy. All ex-presidents get about $200k/yr salary and get a small detail of secret service, hardly a drop in the bucket compared to active Presidents. Obama, himself, has already made money from the several book deals that he's done in the past, so he's most likely spending his own money on the vacations he's taking. But nice try, though.

    65. Re:bloviated shit gibbon by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      This doesn't even make sense.

  7. Link doesn't support the summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    the provided link does not support the quote in the article. This link does - http://live.reuters.com/Event/Live_US_Politics - but its video and fuck video amirite?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-39328507 this does actually have transcripts.

  8. Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why hasn't Trump apologized to Obama? It would seem to be the decent thing to do.

    Trump kept saying Obama was born in Kenya. Then during the election when it was politically expeditious and like a weasel coward said "Obama was born in the US period." No apology nothing. Now the bully we elected president due to the lack of choice has slandered and falsely accused Obama of wiretapping him. What Trump is doing is evil, no president should be falsely accusing people of crimes. If anyone says anything negative about Trump, he takes revenge on them. Trump is like an female dog in heat who can't control control his emotional state. Expect him to carry out many injustices we won't even be told about. As a general rule don't believe in weighing evidence or considering two sides of an issue. Plus he is old, old people's brains stay fixed on an opinion even when shown opposing evidence. They may temporarily agree, and three revert back to their old opinion. It's been proven.

    1. Re:Apology by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Not only has Trump not apologized, but he's deliberately insulted the US's firmest foreign ally to try firm up his BS claim.

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    2. Re:Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember the Trump server talking to Russian bank story here on Slashdot months ago and cleared by the FBI? Ask yourself where the story was leaked from.

    3. Re:Apology by sacrilicious · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why hasn't Trump apologized to Obama? It would seem to be the decent thing to do.

      "Decency" has been a remarkably poor predictor of what Trump will do.

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    4. Re:Apology by tinkerton · · Score: 2

      Disagree :) ..It's like a compass that points southwards. Quite usable, once you know it.

    5. Re:Apology by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      > he's deliberately insulted the US's firmest foreign ally to try firm up his BS claim.

      What are you referring to?

    6. Re:Apology by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The claim that GCHQ could have been involved in spying on Trump Tower, which was a rather silly attempt to keep the wiretapping story going even though everyone knew that the claim was bullshit. If Trump has one singular problem above all others, it's the inability to walk away from his own absurd claims.

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    7. Re:Apology by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      as a Brit, I can tell you I'd be more surprised if GCHQ actually wasn't spying on Trump Tower.

    8. Re:Apology by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And once again, statements like "I wouldn't be surprised" do not constitute actual evidence of anything.

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    9. Re:Apology by JustNiz · · Score: 0

      ...while of course your claims are obviously self-evidently correct.
      Typical libtard.

    10. Re:Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of this matters, or will ever matter. We've hit rock bottom as a country. Obama will be recorded as the last honorable president.

      GWB: war criminal, liar
      WJC: womanizer, liar
      HWB: Complicit in the S&L scandal
      RR: lied about iran contra, almost started ww3

    11. Re:Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all his carreer Trump has never apologized to anyone, ever.

    12. Re:Apology by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      he's deliberately insulted the US's firmest foreign ally

      Firmest? Who's that? I'm thinking Kurdistan. They're basically willing to act like the most humble vassals, even when we treat them badly.

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    13. Re:Apology by tbannist · · Score: 1

      as a Brit, I can tell you I'd be more surprised if GCHQ actually wasn't spying on Trump Tower.

      Which says you don't believe Trump's claim they were doing it because Obama asked them to.

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    14. Re:Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "due to the lack of choice"

      You dipshits....you can vote for literally anyone in your entire country!

      It's not a 2 party system in the slightest. The nothing in the constitution says anything about Democrats or Republicans. People just always vote for them ...because everybody else does! If you vote for someone else that's just "throwing your vote away".

      An entire nation manipulated by a joiner conformist mentality!

      Personally, I think we should start electing some scientists. Bruce schneier would be cool, why not?

    15. Re:Apology by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Please show me where I said anything at all about their motivations, let alone anything that was predicated on it.

    16. Re:Apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Donald Trump will never publicly admit to any mistakes. Ever.

      Seriously, how have you not figured that out? He's pathologically incapable of publicly admitting to any errors. I have no idea whether it's a conscious strategy or a psychological flaw, but it's been obvious for Trump's entire public life that he considers apology to be weakness. And weakness to be something you never show, no matter the other costs.

    17. Re:Apology by antoinebrault · · Score: 1

      So basically, by your stupid logic, everyone can claim anything. Grow a brain retard.

    18. Re:Apology by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

      When Hillary apologies to the families of the Benghazi victims for blaming their sons death on a video - to their faces - then and only then should you be calling for Trump to apologize for picking up on the birther movement and running with it. Or do you believe lying to a mother about her own sons death gets a pass?

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    19. Re:Apology by tbannist · · Score: 1

      What, am I not allowed to point out the obvious?

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    20. Re:Apology by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Go ahead. I'm not stopping you from proving yourself to be an immature idiot.

    21. Re:Apology by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Go ahead. I'm not stopping you from proving yourself to be an immature idiot.

      People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

      Or if you prefer, grow a sense of humour.

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    22. Re:Apology by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Thanks for proving my point.

    23. Re:Apology by sacrilicious · · Score: 1

      You, sir, are a dick.

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  9. for various definitions of interfere. by nimbius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If by interfere we mean "she didnt get elected when it was her time" then, sure, its fairly apparent the trump campaign achieved this by campaigning in more states and cities, and on issues the average person could more easily relate to.

    Full Disclosure, im a California Liberal. That being said, Hillary was a turd of a candidate with a domestic policy that was unrelateable outside of large cities. she ignored two intelligence scandals, rigged her primary to destroy her opponent, and took questions from moderators ahead of the debate. She was the epitome of liberal elite, showing up in a fifteen thousand dollar burlap sack from Beverly Hills to lecture the midwest on povery and jobs.

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    1. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by _xanthus_47 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A liberal elite that would not cut funding for meals on wheels. A liberal elite that would not have abandoned humanitarian aid for South Sudan in a time of crisis. A liberal elite that would have kept all the programs that benefit veterans and aging people who didn't vote for her or trust her anyway. A liberal elite who would have kept the after-school programs that keep children off the streets. A liberal elite who cares is much better than a populist demagogue backed by an entire party of elites.

    2. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. In fact, a lot of the goals of Clinton and Trump dovetail nicely. It's probably why Russia didn't have to rig our election too hard once both candidates were in. They won with either candidate.

    3. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference between a liberal or conservative running the country can be summed up as
      One will use lube while they ass fuck you and the other will not.

    4. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1
      They were BOTH turds, but it happens that Trump managed to bring the absolute worst America has to offer out of the woodwork -- and quite possibly there was interference from Russian operatives to help that along, since it's obvious Trump being in office is beneficial to Putin and Russia. We'll see though won't we? BTW I'm a non-partisan voter from California.

      Good people go to bed earlier.

      Only if they have nothing better to do, I guess. Some of us 'good people' have full schedules and struggle to get enough sleep. How nice for you if you can. :p

    5. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The liberal elite that helped create the issues necessitating half the bullshit solutions you're trying to attribute the solutions to them? That liberal elite? The fucking South Sudan? When your liberal media catches you up on what the US did there, by NGO proxy AND why they did it, I bet you still will toe the company line won't you?

      Here's a hint, follow the fucking money.

    6. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by ooloorie · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      A liberal elite that would not cut funding for meals on wheels. A liberal elite that would not have abandoned humanitarian aid for South Sudan in a time of crisis. A liberal elite that would have kept all the programs that benefit veterans and aging people who didn't vote for her or trust her anyway. A liberal elite who would have kept the after-school programs that keep children off the streets. A liberal elite who cares is much better than a populist demagogue backed by an entire party of elites.

      True: a liberal elite that hands out tax dollars like candy to its cronies, while US inner cities sink deeper and deeper into poverty and violence and while social security and the medical system careen out of control towards the abyss.

      That's because all that that liberal elite really cares about is their own wealth and power, and making it through the next election.

      And the liberal mediocrity that votes for the liberal elite, people like you, don't give a f*ck about the poor here or in South Sudan either; all you are doing is trying to ease your conscience and assuage your guilt by advocating that other people do good deeds.

      Go to hell.

    7. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one's accusing Russia of vote-tampering, election fraud, or even telling any lies to any voters.
      They just really really try to imply those kinds of the things with the phrase "interfering with the election".
      Apparently, "interfering with the election" means "directing the release of selected facts".

      I voted against both major party candidates this time, and I strongly oppose the Putin regime.

    8. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by _xanthus_47 · · Score: 1

      You have given no solutions to any problems. All you mention are the problems that exist today like they are the fault of the liberal elite that is acknowledging the problems and doing something to fix it. The republican party is happy to just shut its eyes and ears ad pretend the problems don't exist. Telling me to go to hell is the same attitude the republicans have had to anyone in need whether here at home or abroad. All your arguments are attacks on people's conscience and motives and intentions. Intentions don't matter. Actions do. The actions of this government are going to put all of us behind. Plus you make assumptions about my feelings and conscience. The problem is not my conscience - it is the lack of yours. Get well soon buddy.

    9. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      I pretty much totally agree with you but why is it all you liberals have a continuing massive blind spot to the Clintons blatant corruption?
      The obvious selling out to foreign agencies, usually in return for $millions in "donations" to the Clinton Foundation, was alone enough evidence for most people I know to vote Trump.

    10. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      > Trump being in office is beneficial to Putin and Russia.

      I disagree. I think he would have much preferred Hillary, because he could have just "donated" a few $mill to the Clinton Foundation and got whatever he wanted. With Trump he has to deal with someone that actually cares about the US.

    11. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by JustNiz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >> A liberal elite who cares is much better than...

      Sure. Let me know when such an entity ever comes into existence, because it will definately be the first time.
      All Hillary ever wanted was more and more power to satisfy her own insatiable ego and a larger platform from which to enrich herself even more through conducting global-scale corruption by selling out the US to foreign islamic powers in return for "donations" to the Clinton Foundation.

    12. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      They just really really try to imply those kinds of the things with the phrase "interfering with the election".

      Pretty much - you get them on camera and they suddenly demure when pressed for specifics. Or just lose their shit and start calling a conservative Republican a Russian operative on Fox News. That's from someone with both the means to know specifics (top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee) and motive (he's a Democrat who wants people to blame Russia for his candidates loss).

      The entire "Russia did it" farce is nothing more than the Birthering of the Democrats - stupid partisans buying stupid propaganda in order to say the POTUS isn't legit.

    13. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      > You have given no solutions to any problems

      Yes he did, at least it was blindingly obvious to me that he did: Don't continue to hand tax money to all and sundry, spend it wisely.

    14. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, proof positive that a lie circles round the world before the truth has its boots on. Meals on Wheels is state funded with a few states funding a portion(not the majority) of the program with monies from the CDBGs.

    15. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by _xanthus_47 · · Score: 1

      No, he did not. You can't solve problems by turning your back to them. Your solution is selfish and impractical.

    16. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      He's not turning his back, he's actively plugging the leak. Its actually your solution that is impractical: carrying on doing the same thing even though its obviously unsustainable and badly damaging the economy.

    17. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by _xanthus_47 · · Score: 1

      The question here is what the problems are according to us. I feel that veterans need to be fed. Children need after school programs to keep them off the street in dangerous neighborhoods. humanitarian aid needs to continue to alleviate crises around the world. You are negating the US's role as a leader in the world and its duty towards its citizen to solve your personal problem - taxes. That is narrow-minded and short-sighted. A government has responsibilities towards its people and it needs funding to achieve that. The leak of federal money is not the problem. When thousands of lives get disrupted due to the changes in the budget - that is the problem. If we don't see eye to eye as to what the problems are, how are we going to arrive at a solution. I feel like I'm preaching to a solid wall of impervious indifference. This country is going to go hell because of people in thread thinking they are too good to ask to take part in the betterment of society. It is a selfish self-centered worldview

    18. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      A liberal elite that would not cut funding for meals on wheels.

      A liberal elite that cut food stamps into law and tried to cut Medicare and Social Security benefits (Obama) after gutting welfare in the 90's (Clintons).

      A liberal elite that would not have abandoned humanitarian aid for South Sudan in a time of crisis.

      The liberal elite tripled the number of wars engaged in after Bush left office.

    19. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by nimbius · · Score: 1

      people like you

      I originally pledged to vote for Sanders, however after he conceded victory to Clinton I switched my ticket to the green party and voted for Jill Stein because she pledged to reign in wall street and protect US Jobs from H1B abuse and trade deregulation.

      nice try though.

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    20. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      > I feel like I'm preaching to a solid wall of impervious indifference. ...Thats a great sign that you need to consider that it might actually be you that is wrong.

      > This country is going to go hell
      Trump has only been in power about 60 days. In order for a country to be going to hell, that course needs to have already been set at lot longer ago than that. There's a ton of bad decisions that Obama made that the effects are only just now starting to show (such as the REAL cost of Obamcare and the plan to limit immigration) that Trump is unfairly getting the blame for.

    21. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by Yunzil · · Score: 1

      rigged her primary to destroy her opponent

      No, she didn't, but thanks for playing!

      She was the epitome of liberal elite

      As opposed to Trump, whose entire persona is based around the fact that he's rich?

    22. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by _xanthus_47 · · Score: 1

      In no way have you addressed the issues of meals on wheels, cutting after school programs and cutting humanitarian aid. If you dont have answers to that anything you say is not adding to the conversation.

    23. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Trump isn't cutting Meels on Wheels. Meals on Wheels is not a federal program, nor do its local groups directly receive federal funding. Rather, the groups run on a mix of local, state and federal money, as well as private donations and the work contributions of volunteers, which vary depending on the funding structure of each affiliate.
      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      The only cutting of after-schools programs that I am aware of is the preventing of some states from illegally repurposing tax-payer $$$ that the Fed have given them for education, that they are instead spending on after-school meals (that have also been proved to have no effect on educational scores), and there are already other programs to address welfare.

      As for "Humanitarian aid", you're gonna have to be more specific.

    24. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, instead she wanted to get into a shooting war with Russia to secure her legacy as a strong feminine leader. Yeah, set up millions to die for ego, or have everyone criticize and ignore the cheeto ego.

      In the two party system, we have gotten the best outcome.

    25. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      So you confirm then that you are voting for the liberal elite.

    26. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, you're a Bernbro the helped Trump get in to office through your misunderstanding of basic economics and what good policy is.

    27. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      All you mention are the problems that exist today like they are the fault of the liberal elite that is acknowledging the problems and doing something to fix it.

      The problems that I mentioned (racial disparities, inner city violence, a failing medical system) are indeed the fault of the "liberal elite"; more specifically, they are the result of decades of failed and ineffective progressive and social justice policies.

      Plus you make assumptions about my feelings and conscience.

      I go by what you advocate: corruption, the continuation of ineffective program, and the aggrandizement of a class of corrupt, greedy liars. That tells me everything I need to know about your conscience and your feelings.

      Intentions don't matter. Actions do.

      Oh, so very true. Yet you say: "A liberal elite who cares is much better than a populist demagogue".

      In any case, as I was saying: I didn't vote for Trump. But hypocrites like you made me quit the Democratic party in disgust.

    28. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by _xanthus_47 · · Score: 1

      I would like to see some proof about your claims that social programs are ineffective and the democratic party being filled with corrupt greedy liars. Yes, actions do matter. A liberal elite who cares is much better than a populist demagogue because of their actions. The populist demagogue slashed budgets for welfare program to fund the next big bomb manufacturing plant that is going to aggravate whatever conflict they choose. The liberal elite would have given us a sensible budget proposal that wouldn't have disenfranchised thousands of needy people all over the country. If you quit the democratic party to support the republicans even despite their horrible world-view and plans, you sir are the hypocrite. You don't turn your back on the good people because of a few missteps when you are dealing with real evil like the republican which was visible to everyone when they decided to boot old and ailing people and 20 million others out of healthcare. I don't see how you were a democrat to begin with if you are ok with the draconian cuts to the budgets Trump has made. I'm confused more than appalled at this point.

    29. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pretty much totally agree with you but why is it all you liberals have a continuing massive blind spot to the Clintons blatant corruption?

      Same reason most people have a "blind spot" to how affordable clothes get into their closet and pretty much all food gets onto their plate. That is, the world is a heavily compromised place. You can try to improve outcomes, but if you refuse to compromise and elect politicians who take money that you don't approve of, you get someone who does that anyway. The alternative to the "lesser" of two evils is the greater.

    30. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      which was visible to everyone when they decided to boot old and ailing people and 20 million others out of healthcare.

      The ACA is simply not sustainable as is. That's not my opinion, that's Obama's opinion. So, the "newly covered" under ACA aren't actually covered long term, they are simply disposable pawns in a Democratic strategy to ensure long-term majorities. ACA (like DACA and amnesty) is a cynical and corrosive political ploy by Democrats, and they obviously don't give a f*ck who they hurt in the process as long as they stay in power.

      to fund the next big bomb manufacturing plant that is going to aggravate whatever conflict they choose

      After a couple of decades of Democratic war mongering, and in particular Hillary's constant war boner, that statement is so silly as to not even warrant a response.

      I would like to see some proof about your claims that social programs are ineffective

      The war on poverty has been going on for over 50 years. Affirmative action has been going on for just as long. I suggest you look into what they accomplished. You might also want to look into the historical connections between Democrats, racism, segregation, abortion, minimum wage, welfare, etc. There are plenty of books on that.

      The liberal elite would have given us a sensible budget proposal that wouldn't have disenfranchised thousands of needy people all over the country

      In different words, the liberal elite would have continued to create more and more government dependency, because their calculation is that it is their ticket to permanent single party rule, the same way leftists operate single party states all over the world.

      I don't see how you were a democrat to begin with if you are ok with the draconian cuts to the budgets Trump has made

      A bunch of reasons. First, as a gay man, there wasn't really any choice, given that Republicans were quite homophobic; that has fortunately changed. Second, I believed the lies the Democrats like to tell about themselves until I actually bothered to read up on history and economics. Third, the Democratic party used to have a sizeable contingent of actual liberals, but now it is mostly progressives (basically, proto-fascists) and democratic socialists, the same kind of people that turned the country I emigrated from into such a shithole.

    31. Re:for various definitions of interfere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "backed by an entire party of elites"

      I find it odd that republicans are either rich elites or poor uneducated hillbillies depending on what point needs to be made at the moment...

  10. Fake News Headline by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Informative

    What the FBI says they're investigating is Russian attempts to interfere with the election. This includes investigating whether or not anyone associated with the Trump campaign did or did not have any involvement with such Russian efforts. And Comey has repeatedly gone to great lengths to point out that he can't talk about which individual people are or aren't reviewed as part of that investigation into Russia's actions. At no point have they said what the OP's headline implies - that they're "investigating the Trump campaign."

    The hearing, on the other hand, HAS spent a lot more time examining the circumstances under which someone working on the Obama administration's watch committed the serious federal felony of publicly disclosing the details of surveillance that swept up the conversations of a US citizen - identification of which should have remained "masked," and which could only have been unmasked by high-level officials within the Obama administration. The FBI says they are vigorously pursuing who committed that felony.

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    1. Re:Fake News Headline by Ksevio · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I see you're using the alt-right interpretation of "Fake News" where anyathing that goes against your god-emperor is "Fake".

      The FBI confirmed an investigation - he hasn't confirmed the exact people (neither did the headline). It's pretty clear the investigation involves the Trump campaign.

      The Republicans on the other hand, HAVE spent a lot more time examining the circumstances in which the information was disclosed even though it's unrelated to investigation.

    2. Re:Fake News Headline by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      The hearing, on the other hand, HAS spent a lot more time examining the circumstances under which someone working on the Obama administration's watch committed the serious federal felony of publicly disclosing the details of surveillance

      You mean the GOP-stuffed hearing? NOBODY other than T himself has offered any public evidence of the O wiretap claim, nor has any agency said they have private evidence beyond the tweet itself.

      It appears to be a lone tweet so far.

      The FBI says they are vigorously pursuing who committed that felony.

      False. Comey said they have no info confirming T's tap-claim tweet.

      In my opinion, T should be forced to disclose where he got the alleged info, either in public testimony or on a signed document. It's too big of a claim to just let fly without accountability.

    3. Re:Fake News Headline by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Wasn't it established that he got the idea from some tabloid TV program?

    4. Re:Fake News Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Good comeback! It reinforces my stereotype of liberals who are faced with the facts.

    5. Re:Fake News Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then what about the story of a Trump server contacting a Russian bank that Slashdot ran a few months ago? Where was that leaked from?

    6. Re:Fake News Headline by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      You tell me, Scooby.

    7. Re:Fake News Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For someone not being investigated, the White House threw Manafort under a bus pretty quick.

    8. Re:Fake News Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait just a minute here. You're talking about the completely unsubstantiated claim by Trump that he was wiretapped? Or to be entirely accurate the claim that was roundly dismissed by both directors of any US organization that could do such a thing? The claim that showed a complete lack of understanding of how such wiretaps are executed? The claim that sounds like the paranoid ramblings of an out of touch madman? THAT CLAIM? Gee whiz. Most of the Trump supporters I know are embarrassed by Trump's bizarre and completely unbelievable claim that was apparently motivated by Breitbart trolls. And I'm deep in banjo land.

                                                                                                                                  PRAVDA TRASH TALK. Classic Pravda trash.

    9. Re:Fake News Headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hearing, on the other hand, HAS spent a lot more time examining the circumstances under which someone working on the Obama administration's watch committed the serious federal felony of publicly disclosing the details of surveillance that swept up the conversations of a US citizen...

      Can you cite to evidence that shows that "details of surveillance" were disclosed by "someone working on the Obama administration's watch," and that this information "could only have been unmasked by high-level officials within the Obama administration? I suspect that you just making this up.

    10. Re:Fake News Headline by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      What about it? Shown to be a giant nothing-burger. It was provisioned for a third party vendor's use in generating outbound marketing mail, and was left to rot. Read up. There's no there, there.

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    11. Re:Fake News Headline by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      In this case, it appears he got it from Breitbart, who sourced it from Mike Levin, whose career these days appears to be to peddle conspiracy theories to deluded right wingers. When Trump's people tried to blame Fox News, even Fox News couldn't stomach being held responsible for what is clearly a complete load of bullshit, and immediately aired a statement disclaiming that they had had any confirmation of wiretapping. In other words, even the Republicans' surest mouthpiece won't stand by this claim.

      Of course, now, in a last-ditch effort to try to make a complete moron who gets his information from TV and websites look somehow half sensible, they're taking Comey's refusal to confirm or deny what he said to the Obama Administration as some sort of confession that the White House was being tapped, despite the fact that Comey openly and strongly denied that any such activity was ongoing.

      Trump will never back down from this. It took him six years to finally admit that Obama was a natural-born US citizen, so we're talking about a guy whose ego and stupidity simply won't let him abandon idiotic claims.

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    12. Re:Fake News Headline by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, and Nixon was the victim of a similar kind of felony, but I don't exactly hear anyone crying a lot of tears because Deep Throat leaked Watergate info to Bob Woodward.

      Let's remember how history remembers Deep Throat and Nixon, and which one came out the hero and which one came out the villain.

      I do find it amusing that those that champion the likes of Snowden or the likes of Assange, suddenly find it evil that someone has tipped off the press that Trump's people were playing footsie with the Russians. Yes indeed, the real crime here must be the leaker, and not the information that was leaked.

      Not even the Senate Republicans were going to save Nixon's ass in the end, and though the Democrats controlled the Senate, it still needs 2/3s majority to remove a sitting President. Ponder that. Wearing the same team jersey as the folks in Congress isn't an unlimited and infinite "get of out jail" free card, and sooner or later, if your actions become detrimental to the party and the country as a whole, and you commit dastardly enough offences, they'll throw you under the bus. If there turn out to be links between Trump's people and the Russians during the campaign, you're going to the phrase that brought Nixon down: "What did he know, and when did he know it."

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  11. Not the real story here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real story is that there is absolutely no evidence of any "hacking" by Russians or anyone else.

    This IS 'fake news'. Simply by drawing out the question they are validating the doubts and suspicions of 'the left' without any evidence or rationale.

    Our country has been stolen out from under us. Don't take it personally that the actual ruling left is 100% full of shit, they aren't the true left, the left that most slashdotters believe in. Stop being so desperate to affiliate yourself with power via a party/ideology association. You're being deceived and it's becoming a grievous liability.

  12. semantics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There is a big difference between "It didn't happen" and " Can't find any evidence that it happened."
    Not to mention the tweet clearly delineated 'wire tapped' with Single Quotes which are equivalent to Air Quotes.

    How about the prior news release that said that the NSA did ?

    On Jan 20th 2017, the very day Trump was being sworn in, The New York Times, and other mainstream media outlets, claimed that the intelligence community had proof that the Russians worked with the Trump campaign to affect the election. They also claimed that this proof was obtained by wiretaps of Trump Tower. The NYT headline read: "Wiretapped Data Used In Inquiry Of Trump Aides - Examining Russian Ties". If the government did not wiretap Trump, then there is no evidence of Russian interference in the election.

    http://www.hannity.com/articles/election-493995/new-york-times-confirmed-wiretaps-used-15618638/

  13. Fake News at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The same guy who, despite having hard physical evidence that Hillary broke the law in possessing classified information on a personal computer, obstructed justice by destroying evidence of same, and so on and so forth, declined charging her for "lack of evidence..."... that guy... is now saying that, in spite of a COMPLETE lack of ANY evidence, it is appropriate to go off on a witch hunt against the guy who beat Hillary fair and square in the election.

    There's no bias here at all. Really. I mean it.

    1. Re:Fake News at its best by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Oh give it up. His late-election statements that Clinton Emails were back under investigation likely cost her the election. He appears to be no one's friend.

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    2. Re:Fake News at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speculation is just that: speculation. Please provide proof of your statement.

    3. Re:Fake News at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, her falling down sick, her endless lies, her miserably run campaign, her complete and utter lack of ability to empathize or relate to normal people outside San Francisco and New York, and several other critical flaws the internet has thoroughly covered lost her the election.

      Spending twice as much as Trump did and still losing was a historically unprecedented event that only a true incompetent or complete idiot could pull off.

      Trump's campaign was pure chaos, poorly funded, run by people with no experience running national or often any campaigns yet here we are.

      Get used to saying, President Trump.

      It had nothing to do with the Russians, obviously.

    4. Re:Fake News at its best by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      http://www.politico.com/magazi...

      Ohh the beautify of blissful ignorance.

    5. Re:Fake News at its best by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh give it up.

      No.

      His late-election statements that Clinton Emails were back under investigation likely cost her the election.

      Nah, that would have been her decision not to campaign in the Rust Belt where Trump was actively going out and asking people to vote for him. Didn't help that Clintonbots had been shouting that if 'Trump didn't accept the election results he was undermining our democracy'. Because when it came time to do recounts, they couldn't do it without looking like the pathetic idiots they are, and had to rely on Jill Stien to do it for them.

      He appears to be no one's friend.

      If her name was Hillary Johnson she'd be serving decades in prison just for the obstruction of justice charges over her destruction of evidence. Comey is the greatest friend Hillary has ever had.

    6. Re:Fake News at its best by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      > His late-election statements that Clinton Emails were back under investigation likely cost her the election.

      Good. She's obviously as corrupt as a $9 bill. She needed to be excluded for the benefit of the country as a whole.

    7. Re:Fake News at its best by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And what exactly is Trump? If his campaign team (and thus, at least indirectly he himself) are part of an active investigation over Russian links to the campaign, what exactly would you call that?

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    8. Re:Fake News at its best by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      Well I'd call him the best of two bad choices. I certainly think that he needs to be investigated, at least to get rid of the obviously left-invented myth that the Russians helped Trump win.
      In fact I seriously think that Putin would have preferred Hillary, because they could simply donate a few million $$ to the Clinton Foundation and gotten whatever they wanted.
      Say what you like about Trump, but he's a businessman and negotiates hard and is far more of a pro-US Patriot than Hillary ever is. She had already demonstrated many times that she only cares about herself and that she'd sell out the US for just a few hundred thousand $$ donation to the Clinton Foundation (i.e. a tax-free tunnel to her wallet). Trump is much harder for Putin to manipulate than Hillary ever would be.

    9. Re:Fake News at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except, of course, for the dossier they have on Trump...

    10. Re:Fake News at its best by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      If you have some evidence of malfeasance in the Clinton Foundation, please provide it. Otherwise, you're just repeating exactly the kind of fake news the Russians produced and the witless Trumpites repeated.

      Comey sat in front of a Congressional hearing today and made it clear that the three letter agencies are very much investigating links between Trump's campaign and Russia, so your own particular line of defense no longer holds any water.

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    11. Re:Fake News at its best by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      >> If you have some evidence of malfeasance in the Clinton Foundation, please provide it.

      Oh dear God are you really that ill-informed, or just another one of those braindead Hillary fans that are determined to live in denial?

      Just google "Clinton foundation corruption" or similar. Its all over everywhere. here's a few to get you started in case even that's to much of a challenge:

      http://observer.com/2016/11/wi...

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      http://www.realclearpolitics.c...

    12. Re:Fake News at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A businessman who has failed more than he's been successful. Sure, he's on the upswing now, but he's too clueless - i.e. he's not a *businessman* - to roll with the punches and usually goes bankrupt when one of his grand schemes hits the buffers. Trump is a narcissist and any flattering of his ego, if sincere enough, will be enough to gain his support. If you think he's an actual patriot rather than a self-centred narcissist who would say anything to bolster his fragile ego, I have an awesome bridge I can sell you. If he thought giving pictures of Santa to people would make them like him, he'd do it. He's a chump, and has a fear of not being liked. Bannon, amongst others, is leading him around by the nose.
      Clinton is and was the wrong candidate. People did not want the status quo and that's precisely what she was guaranteeing: tomorrow will be just like today. If today is crap, why not vote for someone who's saying tomorrow *won't* be like today, even if that means eating weeds to stay alive. The best part about the revision to the ACA is that a lot of natural Republican voters will just die now as they won't be able to afford healthcare; there may well be another 2-3 Republican administrations if you're lucky(!), but after that? No way. The voters will be dead or gaga and either way they aren't going to vote.

    13. Re:Fake News at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just google "Clinton foundation corruption" or similar. Its all over everywhere. here's a few to get you started in case even that's to much of a challenge:

      You've got nothing. Look dude, you might as well keep posting the Clinton Death List, because you are so ill-informed and brain dead that you obviously believe in it, and are determined to live in your state of hyperbolic hysteria.

    14. Re:Fake News at its best by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      And what exactly is Trump?

      A non-sequitur, that's what. Trump has fuck-all to do with the fact that Clinton was a horrible candidate with a horrible record of bigotry, hubris, incompetence and corruption.

    15. Re:Fake News at its best by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> You've got nothing

      You BADLY need to educate yourself about corruption in government and stop living in absolute denial like a brainwashed sheep.

    16. Re: Fake News at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as someone who doesn't give a shit about Clinton. How has this got anything at all to do with Trump being investigated by the FBI for colluding with the Russians and subverting the election process?

  14. I, for one, welcome our new FBI overlords by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd like to remind them as a low-UID Slashdot poster I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their investigatory bureaucracies.

  15. T = snake oil [Re:for various definitions of in by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    We should still try to know if Russia attempted to interfere regardless of whether they were successful or not in changing the outcome. Focusing on the outcome itself just turns into a political scuffle (which I'll join anyhow).

    and on issues the average person could more easily relate to.

    Using the snake oil argument that he will SOMEHOW magically turn the clock back to the 70's and all the Chinese factories will flow back to the rust-belt and there will be no robots taking the jobs instead. I don't like lopsided trade either, but even no-ed Chinese factory jobs are doomed as robots grow incrementally better every year. He offered an over-simplistic "solution" to complex problems: "Everything is outsiders' fault". Clever marketing, but 90% false.

    Education is our only realistic solution to stay ahead of robots and cheap labor, because they are not going away. China is not the only cheap-labor nation by far. H may have had a jerky personality, but her education and retraining solutions were far more grounded in reality and specifics than the vague orange used-casino salesman with A.D.D.

    1. Re:T = snake oil [Re:for various definitions of in by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      We should still try to know if Russia attempted to interfere regardless of whether they were successful or not in changing the outcome.

      As much as we needed to know if Obama had a legit birth certificate. 2009: teabaggers go so far as to file lawsuits to find out the "truth" if he was born in Kenya, to deny him legitimacy as president. 2017: Democrats mindlessly repeat laughable, anonymous claims made to the CIA-funded WaPo to deny Trump legitimacy as president.

    2. Re:T = snake oil [Re:for various definitions of in by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Education is our only realistic solution to stay ahead of robots and cheap labor

      No, because education doesn't really make you any smarter. It has very little effect on intelligence, which is primarily genetic.

      We need simple jobs for simple people because no amount of eduction is going to turn the half of the population has an IQ below 100 into scientists and engineers.

      Come up with a better plan, maybe, but to say education is a realistic solution to this problem is false. It is not realistic because education does not make people significantly more intelligent.

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    3. Re:T = snake oil [Re:for various definitions of in by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      It has very little effect on intelligence, which is primarily genetic.

      It's a combination of genetics, environment, and education.

      We need simple jobs for simple people

      True, but tariffing China up the wazoo isn't going to significantly improve things for them. It may increase manufacturing here some, but it would also make goods more expensive for everybody else. They won't like that. Plus, the relatively high cost of labor here will just spur factory automation research.

      In the end, we'll probably need some amount of make-work programs, being it babysitting, non-medical elder-care (like taking them for a walk), landscaping/grounds-keeper of public buildings, tutoring young kids, and neighborhood watch (basic security).

    4. Re:T = snake oil [Re:for various definitions of in by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      In the end, we'll probably need some amount of make-work programs, being it babysitting, non-medical elder-care (like taking them for a walk), landscaping/grounds-keeper of public buildings, tutoring young kids, and neighborhood watch (basic security).

      But at the end of the day you still have to actually produce wealth. Those jobs don't produce real, physical wealth.

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    5. Re:T = snake oil [Re:for various definitions of in by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      We should still try to know if Russia attempted to interfere regardless of whether they were successful or not in changing the outcome. Focusing on the outcome itself just turns into a political scuffle

      Well said.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    6. Re:T = snake oil [Re:for various definitions of in by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Suggestions?

      If machines and low-wage countries produce for pennies, then why try to force uneducated workers to produce something of economical value? It's kicking a dying horse. The 70's are dead, Jim.

    7. Re:T = snake oil [Re:for various definitions of in by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Enact tariffs to move manufacturing back here. Even if the robots are making the products, the robots need service, raw materials mined and shipped, etc that can't be automated yet. That's something. Also it means the robot expertise is here, not in China, so if we ever get to the post-scarcity society where the robots are doing all the work, at least the robots are in-country.

      But education is a red herring. It doesn't matter how much cash you cram into the schools, you can't significantly raise anybody's IQ. And not having these low-skill jobs especially hurts blacks because the average black IQ in the US is 85. That means half of blacks have a below 85 IQ. 90 is about the cut-off for "able to read and follow directions." If we don't have jobs for them to do, then they're just going to rot on welfare, and that's the spiritual death of a race. Not good.

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    8. Re:T = snake oil [Re:for various definitions of in by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Make Robots Great Again? niiiice. And mining is gradually becoming more automated.

      As far as your comments on black IQ's, I've known plenty of smart blacks and plenty of dumb whites. Social factors play too big a factor in IQ's to claim genetics is the primary factor.

    9. Re:T = snake oil [Re:for various definitions of in by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      As far as your comments on black IQ's, I've known plenty of smart blacks and plenty of dumb whites.

      Do you understand what "normally distributed" means?

      Social factors play too big a factor in IQ's to claim genetics is the primary factor.

      IQ is 75% - 80% inherited.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  16. I trust him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I trust him to make sure that any evidence he does find gets buried, just like Oleg Erovinkin.

  17. Breathtaking arrogance by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now, now... He spends way more time (and taxpayer funds) flying back and forth to Mar-a-Lago in Florida *every* weekend, and I'm sure he gets some work done on those flights -- or, at least, catches up on nap-time.

    Don't forget that he flies to his resort at a cost of $3 million in tax money per trip just days after he proposes a budget to cut health insurance and benefits for millions of poor and middle class people. The arrogance is breathtaking. I'd say hypocrisy if it were anyone else but he's never been "one of the people" to anyone actually paying attention.

    1. Re: Breathtaking arrogance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, imagine flying in 6 million worth of hot dogs from chicago on tax payers money.....

    2. Re:Breathtaking arrogance by PoopJuggler · · Score: 2

      And education cuts. "Make America Stupid Again!"
      Worst. President. Ever.

    3. Re:Breathtaking arrogance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And education cuts. "Make America Stupid Again!"
      Worst. President. Ever."

      Cut it to hell and back. Start from scratch. And get rid of "common core". It's evil and *IS* making America stupid.

    4. Re:Breathtaking arrogance by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

      And the outrage you had when the Obamas took those vacations in the Hamptons in rented houses that were insanely expensive... Or the $102,000 a year Dog Walker... Or the explosion in the "personal" staff (e.g. servants)... Or the golf outings which cost a fortune in security... or the First Lady taking an entire Air Force jetliner for herself because she couldn't be bothered to travel with her hubby to Europe... Or the parade of Rock Stars who played concerts for the kids birthdays...

      Where was your outrage then?

      There wasn't any. Because it's only exorbitant when the other guy does it.

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      Murphy was an optimist
  18. Trump never apologizes by sjbe · · Score: 0

    Why hasn't Trump apologized to Obama? It would seem to be the decent thing to do.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... Cough, snort... Trump apologize? Are you serious? That asshat never apologizes for anything no matter how slanderous. Why would he start now?

  19. Comey admitted Hillary Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    See subject: Comey admitted Hillary Clinton's server was NOT authorized to hold classified info (which it did) or transmit it (which it did). When asked if he would hire someone into the FBI itself who did such illegal things he avoided answering YES or NO (which he was requested to do by Trey Gowdy in a hearing).

    * Comey ought to change his name to CRONY imo (either that OR Clinton & crew had 'dirt' on him he didn't want exposed).

    Everyone's also aware of George Soros & Hillary BOTH funding shills like mad out online to post anti-Trump things + BOGUS organizations like BLM & those Pro-Sharia Law women's groups etc. (where did you think 20 billion of Soros' money went to folks?).

    APK

    P.S.=> The entire "political world" is populated by scumbags (except our current President Trump) - Hillary was FINANCED by definite enemies of ours in China & Saudi Arabia (& I don't want to hear bullshit they're not our enemies either - they DEFINITELY not our pals)... apk

    1. Re:Comey admitted Hillary Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You worried about george sores, he's a peon compared to what the cock bros have been up to.

    2. Re:Comey admitted Hillary Clinton by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Nobody gives a fuck about Clinton anymore. She lost, it's now about whether Trump's people were linked to the Russians.

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  20. Overly moderated garbage by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Personal attacks and lies should not be moderated favorably, the post I'm responding to is clearly flamebait.

    The majority of Meals on Wheels funding, which is federal funding to a _PRIVATE_ organization (so questionable) is not through discretionary funding. The discretionary portion of funding is 3% of their funding. The majority of the funding is through the non-discretionary portion of the budget. "Cancelling" is fear mongering bullshit. I'd say check your facts, but some people have no interest and others are paid not to.

    We are a nation based on Federalization, meaning that the States should be the primary Government for the people. The Federal Government should not, and was never intended, to be a massive bloat of centralized power. The Federal Government was intended as A) National Defense and B) Arbitration and Law regarding States.

    You may disagree with certain powers being returned to the States, but that _is_ _the_ set of ideals you will find both in the US Constitution. That is fully verifiable by reading the Federalist and anti-Federalist papers. This is the current primary driver in many issues.

    Both sides have done a whole lot of wrong in the past, and this administration _may_ turn out to be the same. However, 59 days into the administration I have seen a President attempt to live up to promises he made when on the campaign trail. Bids are going out for the wall, he has had every person on their administration sign no-lobbying contracts, immigration reforms are being made (though obstructed), Health Care is being addressed, the Budget recommendations (even if you dislike them) have been submitted on-time to Congress.

    This "not my candidate" extremist bullshit is being bought and paid for by some extremely wealthy people. It's disturbing that so many people are falling for the pleas for the status quo, which moved the US into negative territory over the last 8 years.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  21. Napolitano met his Waterloo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Napolitano met his Waterloo?

  22. McCarthysm and commie witch hunt all over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why are Democrats SO AFRAID of Russians? They are supposed to be primitive, desolate, obsolete, incapable of building a simple refrigerator...

    1. Re: McCarthysm and commie witch hunt all over. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was penguins?

  23. Re: FAKE NEWS! Blacks are dumb. Obama=OdumbO by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

    So we can assume you are black then :-)

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  24. Southern Whitehouse by Comboman · · Score: 0

    He prefers the Southern White House because it's closer to his core supporters. The last president to spend so much time in the Southern White House was Jefferson Davis.

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  25. Evidence, please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can certainly find evidence Comey was disliked before. Where is the evidence those same people like him now, and that they are democrats?

  26. Jimmy Carter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean the Jimmy Carter who was the only statesman who managed to broker peace in the Middle East? The Jimmy Carter who was shot dead while in office, therefore could not manage to get a full term of work done by being dead for a fair bit of it? Shoot dead Trump and then tell me how much more work he'll get done, retard.

    1. Re:Jimmy Carter? by tsqr · · Score: 1

      The Jimmy Carter who was shot dead while in office, therefore could not manage to get a full term of work done by being dead for a fair bit of it?

      No, he definitely didn't mean that one. I think he meant the one who's still alive. You know, the one who is the oldest living president to attend a Presidential inauguration.

    2. Re:Jimmy Carter? by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      Impressive that being shot to death in office didn't seem to slow him down much (and still doesn't).

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    3. Re: Jimmy Carter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News of my death have been greatly over exaggerated.

      -Jimmy

  27. This story title is a falsehood. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Reuters article did not say or imply that the FBI is investigating the Trump campaign. The Reuters article did report that the FBI is investigating Russian meddling in the US election. When asked whether the FBI was investigating the Trump campaign's possible collusion with the Russian hacking, Comey would only say he could not comment on that. I've been watching the testimony; there isn't any implied confirmation that the FBI is investigating Trump campaign intermediaries.

  28. Re:Listen to all these Trump apologists by nedlohs · · Score: 1

    "everybody" on fifth street is going to be about 5 people, so why not? Well if he picked the middle of the street right outside the police precinct people might not be able to vote for him I guess...

  29. Full of Bullshit by tekrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, that sounds good on paper, but obviously you've never attempted to apply any of those ideals to the real world.

    Let's take for example, Education. By your accounting, that should be left up to the individual states, as that's not something that should be administered by the Federal Government.

    In your worldview, every state can have different education standards, which would create chaos later in life -- when those students move to another state to attend college, some from, say Texas, might encounter problems when they suddenly find out that Jesus did not ride Dinosaurs and the Earth is round and not flat.

    And the other problem is of course that in the real world, there's only ONE set of textbooks for all states regardless of education standards, because states cannot afford custom textbooks just for them.

    So in the end, Texas sets the standards because they are the largest market -- meaning whatever the STATE legislature of Texas choses, that's what goes nationally.

    So, we *all* wind up with Jesus rode Dinosaurs and the Earth is Flat textbooks. And Christianity is the only true religion. All others are going to bring you eternal damn-nation. If you find that one state can control what we think and teach our children throughout the nation, then essentially, all you're doing is moving Federal Power to a different State -- Texas.

    Because that's how the REAL world works. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the rest of us have to live in this world, not your fantasy of it. And in that case, I'd rather that the federal government control this instead of the Texas state legislature -- which I didn't vote for.

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    1. Re:Full of Bullshit by s.petry · · Score: 0

      You are full of false dilemmas. The magic devolution to cave man teaching is ludicrous for two very obvious reasons.

      1. State control of education would mean that Texas standards would have to compete with Florida standards, who would need to compete with Michigan, Ohio, California, etc...

      2. More direct control from the populace of the State. Texas would not be able to create "flat earth" science without the populace agreeing with the legislature. People would not vote for that type of legislation, and even if a small state like Delaware decided to teach flat earth people would simply move to a State that teaches real science.

      Sorry to burst your bubble, the the REAL world does not require massive federalization for every thing.

      There is a reason that there is no mention of Education in the Constitution, or Abortion in the Constitution, or countless other issues that the feeble minded want federalized. These are not "new" issues to our generation or time, they had both abortion and education back in the 1700s as well.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    2. Re:Full of Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you think you "voted" for the appointed positions that would have any say in such things at the federal level you fucking moron?

      Oh let me get this straight, a large group of people can't come up with proper educational standards, so we should give it to a LARGER group of people that will be capable?

      What magic fairy dust exists at the national level in you fucking retarded leftist minds?

    3. Re: Full of Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are one piece of shit. If you think it's better to allow flat earth teaching and force critical thinkers to move elsewhere, you're a fucking cunt who should fuck off and die.

    4. Re:Full of Bullshit by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      There are actually TWO sets of textbooks. Texas and California are both big enough to get textbooks custom-made. Other states mostly follow what those two approved.

    5. Re:Full of Bullshit by Magius_AR · · Score: 1

      Let's take for example, Education. By your accounting, that should be left up to the individual states, as that's not something that should be administered by the Federal Government. In your worldview, every state can have different education standards, which would create chaos later in life -- when those students move to another state to attend college, some from, say Texas, might encounter problems when they suddenly find out that Jesus did not ride Dinosaurs and the Earth is round and not flat. And the other problem is of course that in the real world, there's only ONE set of textbooks for all states regardless of education standards, because states cannot afford custom textbooks just for them.

      That explains why every time I travel to Europe, they think the earth is flat and Jesus rides dinosaurs. I guess what we really need is an international standard of education. Because however would education move forward without global agreement on teaching methods? Better hunker down and never leave your nation -- dogs and cats, living together, I tell you. Absolute chaos traveling from country to country these days. /sarcasm

      Sorry, but your "real world" is some hyperbolic fantasy (nightmare?) that individual states will go full dark age medieval if you personally don't have an iron national grip on them, whereas reality bears out something far different. Namely, states lean more conservative/liberal on certain niche issues and otherwise behave about the same as all the other states for 90+% of life's concerns.

  30. Why Hillary is politically incompetent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Even now, Hillary intermediaries are going on TV and the news magazines proclaiming that they lost because the Russians hacked their servers and used it to actively campaign against Hillary. This did not help their cause then, and it will not help galvanize opposition to the Russians now.

    The reason for this is that everyone knows that HRC deliberately ran a private server for her communications, and it was insecurely implemented. They're only pointing out the DNC leadership are a bunch of administrative incompetents when it comes to computer security, and we would only see more security incompetence if we elected a Democrat PotUS. This was also made apparent when Obama's HHS secretary allowed the computer server rollout for the ACA health insurance marketplaces to be bungled, and cost the taxpayers even more money to hire expensive consultants to get the servers to work properly. Did the DNC leadership realize they needed to design their computer systems to segregate data on a need to know basis, provide secured email communication, enclose the entire system behind firewalls and IDS, implement VPNs and "harden" laptop/smartphone use, and carefully vet & control every Democratic workers' computer access? Apparently not.

    How does "...but ...but, we were victimized by the evil Russians" going to help their brand in the next election? Democrats are a party of victims. They don't know how to hire and manage competent computer personnel, they can't accept their own culpability in their campaign failure, and if elected, they would probably weaken the computer security of the nation's bureaucracy.

    What good does it do for these losers to say, "We need to go to war with the evil Russians"? The House, Senate and executive branch are all controlled by Republicans! (I guess Democrats will have to relearn how to win elections in the next two to four years.) It doesn't even help bolster the case for the Republicans who DO want to actively confront the Russians. It just looks like sour grapes from incompetents. BTW, the RNC was hacked as well; Republican leadership (even outside of Trump) are just as incompetent about system security, even as they bray about how much they care about it and "improper" leaking.

  31. witch hunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nothing but a good ol fashiond witch hunt

    1. Re:witch hunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well hillary did run for president too, so there is at least one to be found...

  32. Didn't Clinton camp talk to Russia too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I actually read that the Clinton camp had people who talked to Russia. So why haven't they been investigated? Oh, I guess maybe they had but got a pass. Gee, given that Russia is a Country the US had a relationship with good and bad considering our space exploration, our commerce, that both the US and Russia are significant players in the world might mean both Trump and Clinton camps talk to Russian people? Gee when the Democrat's accused Republican's of conspiracy theories now we have Democrat's doing the same. You know what won the election for Trump, hint it wasn't the Russian's. It was the people fed up with how government and the liberal media ignored them so they fought back in votes.

    1. Re:Didn't Clinton camp talk to Russia too? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The Kremlin says they met with the Ambassador. So far as I'm aware, no one has produced evidence. The Kremlin has been caught a few times now creating fake news, which is how that idiot Napolitano got outed by repeating RT fake news about the wiretapping of Trump.

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    2. Re:Didn't Clinton camp talk to Russia too? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      You read it because the Kremlin made the claim, but there's no evidence that the Clinton camp had any kind of secret talks with the Russians. You're just buying into Russian-fed fake news.

      Donald Trump, at best, has been naive and stupid, and at worst, a traitor. Buying into pleasant sounding Kremlin-fed faerie tales that Clinton somehow was negotiating with the Russians just shows how willing you are to accept anything that preserves your faith in Trump.

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  33. Free Press? by s.petry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What "Free Press"? are you referring to? The "Free Press" that did everything in their power to get Trump elected, because as we found out later the Democrats believed he would be the easiest for Hillary to beat? The one that colluded with the DNC to install a particular person to the highest office in the land after the two Primaries? The one that continues to collude to disrupt the current President? The painfully obvious slander and hit jobs by CNN and MSNBC colluding with (and repeating the stories of) NYT, WP, etc..? That "Free Press"?

    The "Free" press has been dead for quite a while. We were put on notice by journalists when the monopolization was legalized (previously restricted by law).

    I believe it would be more apt to say that Trump wanted to attack an openly corrupt media establishment. A whole lot of people agree with him, and of course the owners of that powerful block of corruption are doing all they can to maintain power and control.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:Free Press? by dbreeze · · Score: 1

      Case in point... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... It's all a grand charade kids. Don't believe anything not revealed to you by your Creator.

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    2. Re:Free Press? by tbannist · · Score: 1

      What "Free Press"? are you referring to? The "Free Press" that did everything in their power to get Trump elected, because as we found out later the Democrats believed he would be the easiest for Hillary to beat? The one that colluded with the DNC to install a particular person to the highest office in the land after the two Primaries? The one that continues to collude to disrupt the current President? The painfully obvious slander and hit jobs by CNN and MSNBC colluding with (and repeating the stories of) NYT, WP, etc..? That "Free Press"?

      The "Free" press has been dead for quite a while. We were put on notice by journalists when the monopolization was legalized (previously restricted by law).

      I believe it would be more apt to say that Trump wanted to attack an openly corrupt media establishment. A whole lot of people agree with him, and of course the owners of that powerful block of corruption are doing all they can to maintain power and control.

      Do you even know what a "free press" is? Judging from your diatribe, you simply haven't got a clue.

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    3. Re:Free Press? by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      I believe it would be more apt to say that Trump wanted to attack an openly corrupt media establishment. A whole lot of people agree with him, and of course the owners of that powerful block of corruption are doing all they can to maintain power and control.

      That is just laughably incorrect. Trump is the most corrupt person around. Haven't you been paying attention? His campaign (not funded by him, as he said it would be), used Trump properties exclusively, effectively funneling contributions directly to his pockets; he routinely stiffs contractors who work on his projects; he tells so many easily verifiably false statements, that nothing he says can be believed. How the fuck is the media corrupt? You might not like what they report or how they report it but they are not corrupt. Get a dictionary.

  34. think Green! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    The only Mystic Orb you should be heeding is the Loc-Nar.
    If it's good enough to destroy Trump with madness, it's good enough for America.

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  35. Russians hacked Hillary's e-mail by PPH · · Score: 2

    Yes, that's wrong (if it's true). But it's like a cop opening your car trunk without a warrant. And finding a dead body. It's wrong and inadmissible as evidence. But the body was still there.

    Elections aren't about selecting the first person that manages to escape a guilty verdict on a technicality. Had Hillary not used amazingly poor judgement in her handling of official communications, there would be no ammunition for Russia, Trump, or the GOP to embarrass her with and drive undecided voters to the other camp. The fact that it was Russia, with no right or jurisdiction to conduct an 'investigation' is also problematic. But from a point of view of ethics and justice rather than legality, the voters chose not to overlook the smell of a body in the trunk.

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    1. Re:Russians hacked Hillary's e-mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's wrong (if it's true). But it's like a cop opening your car trunk without a warrant. And finding a dead body. It's wrong and inadmissible as evidence. But the body was still there.

      Elections aren't about selecting the first person that manages to escape a guilty verdict on a technicality. Had Hillary not used amazingly poor judgement in her handling of official communications, there would be no ammunition for Russia, Trump, or the GOP to embarrass her with and drive undecided voters to the other camp. The fact that it was Russia, with no right or jurisdiction to conduct an 'investigation' is also problematic. But from a point of view of ethics and justice rather than legality, the voters chose not to overlook the smell of a body in the trunk.

      The GOP has spent 25 years and half a billion dollars piling bullshit around Hillary.

      And on top of that, there's the propaganda machine of Faux News along with the fake news sites of Breitbart and Infowars.

      She's been the subject of character assassination since Bill was campaigning for Prez. Sure, she's made some serious missteps along the way but generally those missteps were in line with GOP policies.

    2. Re:Russians hacked Hillary's e-mail by PPH · · Score: 1

      Sure, she's made some serious missteps along the way

      Politics. Assume that someone is out to get you and act accordingly. Her missteps are either a sign of sheer stupidity or a sense of royal entitlement. Neither of which make her presidential material to many voters.

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    3. Re:Russians hacked Hillary's e-mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither of which make her presidential material to many voters.

      Still ~66 million voters who DID find her more presidential than Trump.

      That's net +3 million.

  36. wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So they didn't wiretap Trump, but they have evidence of a Russia/Trump collusion? I mean can't you spot the obvious contradiction?

    1. Re:wait a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did it occur to you they would have been wiretapping the Russians when they heard Trump down the other end of the phone? Busted!

  37. Everyone has forgot about wikileaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and is falling for project mockingbird diversion psy-ops now..

    americans are retarded sheep

  38. Re: FAKE NEWS! Blacks are dumb. Obama=OdumbO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you have time for this, Bannon? Have you got Donald ready for his bath yet?

  39. Looking Backwards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good points on cost sharing, but let's ally with countries who share our values. Japan and South Korea are free market democracies committed to the betterment of their people. Russia, not so much. Also, Russia is no longer a superpower. In economic terms, it is beaten by Japan and South Korea. And the EU (basically most of NATO) is nearly tied with the US (more reason to cost share).

    Let's not hold grudges from the 40s and solve problems of the 70s. Looking forward, the main alliances need to be with the EU, China, Japan, India, Brazil, Canada and Australia.

  40. Submitter left out Hillary confirmation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comey confirmed investigations into certain persons in the Trump campaign, and into Hillary Clinton and persons in her campaign. If somebody is cozying up to the Ruskies I know who I'd have my money on for traitorous behavior.

  41. Camp David by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Camp David is substantially more rustic - not much onyx, marble, and gold leaf - more log cabins and century old wooden floors.

  42. Possible Treason [Re:Apology] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Not only has Trump not apologized, but he's deliberately insulted the US's firmest foreign ally [UK] to try firm up his BS claim.

    It's one thing to accuse or insult other politicians in the US, but dragging our allies into his Web-of-BS is just the kind of thing us T detractors feared.

    Many political decisions require hard choices and sometimes you have to offend an ally to make progress in other ways. But this UK accusation is not one of those trade-offs; it's manufactured out of nowhere; an unnecessary source of tension.

    T should be put on trial for dragging the UK into this. He should be required to give answers to the citizens of both USA and the UK.

  43. Pollgate [Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    The same polling organizations had been fairly accurate for the last 3 prez elections. Why would they suddenly all go evil at the same time in one election?

    The Brexit polling was also unexpectedly off. Are they "in on it" too?

    Rather than global Illuminati-like conspiracies, a better explanation is that new technology has made old polling techniques less accurate.

    1. Re: Pollgate [Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or another plausible idea is that all the libbies in the whole world didn't want to see Trump win and every MSM news network lied and cheated to attempt to thwart his victory. Kinda funny he still won, don't you think?

    2. Re: Pollgate [Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA] by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back https://g.co/kgs/wGDwmx

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      Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
    3. Re: Pollgate [Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA] by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Except for that whole "Right" thing
      Hillary by 2.1%

  44. We have no President. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only a Pretendsident.

  45. What's Comey's End-game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comey clearly likes pushing the power of his office to its limits, but to what end this time? What is he hoping to get? A cabinet post? A cushy ambassadorship? Just good old fashioned hush money? Or, maybe this is just the led up to his running for Senator or Governor?

  46. Kristian Saucier by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

    Based on this experience, I would say not taking criminal action against Hillary Clinton was in line with many other cases.

    Kristian Saucier got 1 year in prison for taking 6 photos of the engine room on the sub he was assigned.

    Sailor Denied 'Clinton Deal', Gets 1 Year in Prison for 6 Photos of Sub.

    It's obvious that Hillary was protected because she's part of the ruling class.

  47. False equivalence by sjbe · · Score: 1

    And the outrage you had when the Obamas...

    President Obama spent $85 million of taxpayer money on vacations in 8 years. A tidy sum but Trump is on pace to eclipse that total in less than a year. Trump has racked up north of $15 million in travel costs in two MONTHS. Spare me the bogus false equivalence.

    1. Re:False equivalence by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

      So you didn't complain at all about Obama's vacations.

      Ben Shapiro says Obama spent 85 million. Can we believe him? Where did he get the numbers. Will Trump continue to go to Florida every weekend? Does it really cost as much as everyone says?

      WAY too many people are partisan political hacks pretending to righteously indignant about issues that aren't even issue yet...

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      Murphy was an optimist
  48. A reall can't believe some people are this stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No need to understand something that isn't true. Go look at what they actually found on her. It amounted to nothing. The second hand stories that travel around are overblown, to say the least.

    The reason Comey couldn't recommend prosecution is that he didn't have enough evidence for a prosecution. No prosecutor would agree to take the case.

    I call TOTAL bull shit on this one. With just what was presented to the public as evidence is enough to put someone in jail for about 3,000 year. (remember it is 10 years for EACH count (email) ) I am certified by the DHS in forensics evidence in crimes like this and there is enough to bury here yet she walks scot free. There are people sitting in jail right now that did far less than her in mishandling classified material. Let's look at Snowden. Poor man still can't come back and they both broke the same law "Mishandling of Classified Material" they just mishandled it in different ways. Snowden leaked it to the people and Hillary broke the law for her own benefit. Snowden leaks to let The People know the truth that their rights of privacy are being violated and they want to shoot him but Hilary does it to protect her "Pay to play" scam with the State Department and that's OK.

    Second hand stories? dude I read the emails and the evidence is right there to see. It isn't second hand when I! read the evidence. You're just too stupid and blind to see the truth.

    I swear the IQ rate has went down to 37 on this site. "News for Nerds" what happened to all the nerds with high IQs that can see the truth?