Which is a conservative, regressive, market-based approach. Which is why it's funny that right wingers hate Al Gore, since he's supported such a conservative, market-based "solution" for climate change. Leftists would just replace all coal and nuclear with wind and solar, and do it within ten years.
The US imperial budget is twice the official number. Lots of items that are purely military in nature aren't counted as part of the military budget, like the Department of Energy maintaining America's arsenal of nuclear weapons.
$750 billion a year buys a lot of wind and solar. And as the jobs created would result in an economic boom (and thus more and higher tax receipts) a GND would eventually pay for much of itself.
Power grid improvements to pave the way for decentralized power grids with local power storage and electric vehicles. Solar, wind, nuclear.
So, you're going to throw stones at public spending, while in the same breath push for nuclear power? Wouldn't exist without hundreds of billions in taxpayer support?
The only people that would "lose" in a green new deal would be shareholders in fossil fuel companies. Working people would get a fucking fuckton of jobs across the country.
Yes, just like Obama's economic stimulus package did. Remember how it created hundreds of thousands of jobs while fixing the county's infrastructure? No, I don't either.
That's because it was a right-wing plan mostly composed of tax cuts, and the right-wing president at the time took any direct job creation programs off the table before any votes were cast. So, as usually is the case, right wing policies failed. Any more questions?
One problem with this bill is that it wants the government to run the transition. This is a non-starter for those on the right who will note how often the government has failed to add value.
Capitalism and private industry will never work to replace coal and nuclear with wind and solar en mass. It's a non-starter. The only entity that can and will do such a thing is government. And those on the right will take government-funded jobs manufacturing and installing renewables faster than Ayn Rand started using Medicare as soon as she was eligible.
As just one example, note the debt problems in Greece basically because a too-large percentage of workers were employed by the government and the government took on too much debt.
That's the right wing propaganda. The reality is that Greece was sold a bill of goods by Goldman Sachs, it's rich citizens don't like paying taxes, and the country has no control over its currency.
Nuclear should definitely be an option if the energy producers can make it economically viable.
Which will never, ever, ever, ever, ever happen. Hippies, NIMBY's and regulations aren't why nuclear power plants aren't being built. It's because that method of heating water is obscenely costly, risky, and thus impossible to justify.
Sounds like you may have done too many lines of Obama kool aid in powered form. Getting a politician on the record saying no is just as important as getting them to vote yes. So you can take that stance and end their political careers in the next election. And you only know how many votes you have when you actually hold the vote - which is why Obama worked so hard to kill the public option before it ever came up for a vote.
Besides, how do you think any change or policy that required a mass movement happened? Do you think suffragists or civil rights activists just held their powder dry until they came up with 60 votes, or whatever the excuse was of the day?
Unless that was the goal. Maybe the Democrats don't actually want the goals of this bill to come to fruition. Maybe they just want to use Ocasio-Cortez as a token idealist that blah blah blah
The country already supports lefty ideas, conservatives included. A majority of Republicans are onboard Medicare for All, just as a majority of Republicans were for DADT repeal before the previous homophobe-in-chief "evolved" on the subject. Republicans don't want coal, they want jobs. Which is why this is the easiest sell in the world:
"We're going to bring you a motherfucking fuckton of jobs. Well-paying jobs manufacturing wind and solar. Jobs to every county, hamlet, parish, town and city to install them. Jobs for decades to replace coal and nuclear. Jobs that won't require a degree and ten years experience. So many jobs it will make the post-WWII economic boom look like a recession. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs, motherfucker, do you want them?"
And then you use that club and end the career of anyone who doesn't support it 110%.
Ah, the old baseload BS. The problem with that old saw is that it applies just as much to nuclear power, as your plants will shut down for days, weeks or months at a time for maintenance. Sometimes even years. Which means you need to spend another $20 billion on a nuclear power plant to act as a spare when one of your other $20 billion plants goes down for planned (or worse, unplanned) maintenance.
Or you build a massive pumped storage facility to act as intermittent backup, as Michigan did for their nuclear grid. And if pumped storage is good enough for nuclear, it's good enough for wind and solar. Alternatives can be rolled out in a fraction of the time as nuclear power, for a fraction of the cost, with none of the risks that are measured in millennia.
Nuclear is the only power source that can replace all CO2 generating electrical sources right now.
Laughably false. Wind and solar passed coal in cost effectiveness years ago, and that was with allowing coal to externalize its environmental costs.
Thus, if you were serious about getting rid of emissions, you'd immediately start switching to nuclear
LOL, "immediately" in the context of nuclear power. Where it takes decades to build a nuclear power plant. The time and costs of nuclear power make it completely unjustifiable.
Also, your insults are tiring,
Not as tiring as the nuclear fanboy cult. And it's not an insult when it's true.
The former are not end-all be-all solutions, they're more supplemental
Except you'll need a "supplemental" nuclear power plant for your grid, to step in when one of your other nuclear power plant goes down for weeks (or longer) at a time for regular maintenance.
and producing the hardware for them is not carbon-neutral or carbon-negative, either
Yes, concrete pads for wind towers use concrete, which produces CO2 while baking it. What do you think cooling towers and other nuclear power plant buildings are made from? This is a red herring anyway, as wind and solar can be much more rapidly be deployed to replace coal than a nuclear plant that takes twenty years and twenty billion dollars to build.
Heard all this before.
Some people are dense and need Bart Simpson's chalkboard before something sinks in.
...except environmentalists from a few decades ago decided nuclear power was too bad for the environment.
You say that like it's supposed to mean something. As if environmentalists have any power. As if they aren't beaten and gassed and frozen trying to stop pipelines from being built on their own lands. As if they were able to do anything about Flint's poisoned water, British Petroleum ruining the Gulf of Mexico, or the tar sands in Canada.
Regulations aren't stopping nuclear power. Hippies aren't stopping nuclear power. The complete unjustifiability of nuclear power is what is stopping nuclear power.
Adverse effects (usually around one in a million for most vaccines for severe adverse reactions, one in ten for most mild ones). Correlation here is risk calculation and game theory, not "stupid parents".
It's as stupid at risk assessment as a guy who rides a motorcycle without a helmet, but refuses to get on an airplane because he's afraid of a crash.
meningococcal vaccination. The problem is this this vaccine is only effective for about 3-4 years. Most other countries don't require this vaccination. It doesn't really do any harm, but the good it does is questionable.
Maybe they don't make it mandatory because other countries aren't as stupid when it comes to anti-vaxxing? Like how you'll sometimes hear southerners complain that other states don't have law against cousins marrying. It's not because it's acceptable in those other states, it's because it wasn't such a problem that they had to pass laws against it.
You don't get to be the head of pediatric brain surgery at Johns Hopkins before you're freaking 40 by being Dr. Nick. He's a brilliant brain surgeon....but any other topic and Ben is dumb as a sack of hammers.
It certainly is if you work in STEM. The entire purpose of the H1-B program is to increase the size of the labor pool available to corporations, to lower their labor costs.
What you need to do is reform H1B
...is to apply at least a $200,000 excise tax on each H1B worker on top of requiring companies to pay fair market rates. Then we'll know there really is a critical shortage of workers with X specialty, instead of IBM/Oracle/whomever just wanting to find cheaper workers. And a temporary shortage at that as it will be cheaper in the long run to train an American replacement instead of paying that $200k per year.
Please show how that isn't the dumbass nuke fanboy fallacy of pretending that opposing a very expensive and risky way to heat water means supporting fossil fuels.
Yeah, dipshit, he did. Election observers have long said that Venezeula has fair and free elections. Elections that the opposition just doesn't bother to run in. You know, the very election system that saw Juan Guaido elected to the national assembly.
TeleSur gets funds from Venezeula's government - same as NPR in the US or BBC in the UK - but the rest of the media is still privately owned. Go ahead and pick nits at Maduro's policies if you want to - but to pretend that the US and it's poodles haven't been deliberately ruining Venezuela's economy and impoverishing it's people, so said people will support a coup of the elected government - is to be 500 tonnes of western exceptionalist bullshit crammed into a five pound sack.
You said conspiracy theory like it was bullshit, and then deep state like itÃ(TM)s real.
You say that like there isn't an uncollected power establishment composed of corporations and appointed officials. Who votes for positions on the Council on Foreign Relations? Who voted for all the CIA officials who lied to Congress while spying on Congress? The ones that spy on presidential candidates and even elected presidents? These are undisputable facts, not Alex Jones rambling about the Illuminati or the Rothschilds. Fuck, man, it's only within the last week that a deputy director of the FBI admitted on live television that it's their job to suppress the wrong sort of people from getting elected to government.
...which so far is an utterly baseless conspiracy theory put out by Democrats butthurt they lost the 2016 election (in the same way so many butthurt Republicans went Full Birther after 2008), media wanting to keep up high ratings for propagandists like Rachael Madcow, and the deep state wanting to keep people compliant and stupid. To go back to the good old days when 75% of Americans thought Saddam had WMD's and was involved in 911.
A baseless CT propped up by a Gish Gallop, same as other idiotic conspiracy theories like Birtherism or Chem Trailers. But ask any Russiagater to provide definitive facts or a timeline and they simply fall apart.
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Which is a conservative, regressive, market-based approach. Which is why it's funny that right wingers hate Al Gore, since he's supported such a conservative, market-based "solution" for climate change. Leftists would just replace all coal and nuclear with wind and solar, and do it within ten years.
The US imperial budget is twice the official number. Lots of items that are purely military in nature aren't counted as part of the military budget, like the Department of Energy maintaining America's arsenal of nuclear weapons.
$750 billion a year buys a lot of wind and solar. And as the jobs created would result in an economic boom (and thus more and higher tax receipts) a GND would eventually pay for much of itself.
So, you're going to throw stones at public spending, while in the same breath push for nuclear power? Wouldn't exist without hundreds of billions in taxpayer support?
The only people that would "lose" in a green new deal would be shareholders in fossil fuel companies. Working people would get a fucking fuckton of jobs across the country.
That's because it was a right-wing plan mostly composed of tax cuts, and the right-wing president at the time took any direct job creation programs off the table before any votes were cast. So, as usually is the case, right wing policies failed. Any more questions?
Capitalism and private industry will never work to replace coal and nuclear with wind and solar en mass. It's a non-starter. The only entity that can and will do such a thing is government. And those on the right will take government-funded jobs manufacturing and installing renewables faster than Ayn Rand started using Medicare as soon as she was eligible.
That's the right wing propaganda. The reality is that Greece was sold a bill of goods by Goldman Sachs, it's rich citizens don't like paying taxes, and the country has no control over its currency.
Which will never, ever, ever, ever, ever happen. Hippies, NIMBY's and regulations aren't why nuclear power plants aren't being built. It's because that method of heating water is obscenely costly, risky, and thus impossible to justify.
Sounds like you may have done too many lines of Obama kool aid in powered form. Getting a politician on the record saying no is just as important as getting them to vote yes. So you can take that stance and end their political careers in the next election. And you only know how many votes you have when you actually hold the vote - which is why Obama worked so hard to kill the public option before it ever came up for a vote.
Besides, how do you think any change or policy that required a mass movement happened? Do you think suffragists or civil rights activists just held their powder dry until they came up with 60 votes, or whatever the excuse was of the day?
The country already supports lefty ideas, conservatives included. A majority of Republicans are onboard Medicare for All, just as a majority of Republicans were for DADT repeal before the previous homophobe-in-chief "evolved" on the subject. Republicans don't want coal, they want jobs. Which is why this is the easiest sell in the world:
"We're going to bring you a motherfucking fuckton of jobs. Well-paying jobs manufacturing wind and solar. Jobs to every county, hamlet, parish, town and city to install them. Jobs for decades to replace coal and nuclear. Jobs that won't require a degree and ten years experience. So many jobs it will make the post-WWII economic boom look like a recession. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs, motherfucker, do you want them?"
And then you use that club and end the career of anyone who doesn't support it 110%.
Fixed.
Ah, the old baseload BS. The problem with that old saw is that it applies just as much to nuclear power, as your plants will shut down for days, weeks or months at a time for maintenance. Sometimes even years. Which means you need to spend another $20 billion on a nuclear power plant to act as a spare when one of your other $20 billion plants goes down for planned (or worse, unplanned) maintenance.
Or you build a massive pumped storage facility to act as intermittent backup, as Michigan did for their nuclear grid. And if pumped storage is good enough for nuclear, it's good enough for wind and solar. Alternatives can be rolled out in a fraction of the time as nuclear power, for a fraction of the cost, with none of the risks that are measured in millennia.
Nuclear power cannot be justified.
Even if that statement wasn't total bullshit on its face, Fukishima alone would wipe out your entire century of supposed safety and cost savings.
Laughably false. Wind and solar passed coal in cost effectiveness years ago, and that was with allowing coal to externalize its environmental costs.
LOL, "immediately" in the context of nuclear power. Where it takes decades to build a nuclear power plant. The time and costs of nuclear power make it completely unjustifiable.
Not as tiring as the nuclear fanboy cult. And it's not an insult when it's true.
Except you'll need a "supplemental" nuclear power plant for your grid, to step in when one of your other nuclear power plant goes down for weeks (or longer) at a time for regular maintenance.
Yes, concrete pads for wind towers use concrete, which produces CO2 while baking it. What do you think cooling towers and other nuclear power plant buildings are made from? This is a red herring anyway, as wind and solar can be much more rapidly be deployed to replace coal than a nuclear plant that takes twenty years and twenty billion dollars to build.
Some people are dense and need Bart Simpson's chalkboard before something sinks in.
You say that like it's supposed to mean something. As if environmentalists have any power. As if they aren't beaten and gassed and frozen trying to stop pipelines from being built on their own lands. As if they were able to do anything about Flint's poisoned water, British Petroleum ruining the Gulf of Mexico, or the tar sands in Canada.
Regulations aren't stopping nuclear power. Hippies aren't stopping nuclear power. The complete unjustifiability of nuclear power is what is stopping nuclear power.
You wanna try that again while sober?
To go back to the good old days when 75% of Americans thought Saddam had WMD's and was involved in 911.
To repeat for the indoctrinated...how do you think that happened, exactly?
It's as stupid at risk assessment as a guy who rides a motorcycle without a helmet, but refuses to get on an airplane because he's afraid of a crash.
Maybe they don't make it mandatory because other countries aren't as stupid when it comes to anti-vaxxing? Like how you'll sometimes hear southerners complain that other states don't have law against cousins marrying. It's not because it's acceptable in those other states, it's because it wasn't such a problem that they had to pass laws against it.
You don't get to be the head of pediatric brain surgery at Johns Hopkins before you're freaking 40 by being Dr. Nick. He's a brilliant brain surgeon....but any other topic and Ben is dumb as a sack of hammers.
It certainly is if you work in STEM. The entire purpose of the H1-B program is to increase the size of the labor pool available to corporations, to lower their labor costs.
Please show how that isn't the dumbass nuke fanboy fallacy of pretending that opposing a very expensive and risky way to heat water means supporting fossil fuels.
Yeah, dipshit, he did. Election observers have long said that Venezeula has fair and free elections. Elections that the opposition just doesn't bother to run in. You know, the very election system that saw Juan Guaido elected to the national assembly.
TeleSur gets funds from Venezeula's government - same as NPR in the US or BBC in the UK - but the rest of the media is still privately owned. Go ahead and pick nits at Maduro's policies if you want to - but to pretend that the US and it's poodles haven't been deliberately ruining Venezuela's economy and impoverishing it's people, so said people will support a coup of the elected government - is to be 500 tonnes of western exceptionalist bullshit crammed into a five pound sack.
You say that like there isn't an uncollected power establishment composed of corporations and appointed officials. Who votes for positions on the Council on Foreign Relations? Who voted for all the CIA officials who lied to Congress while spying on Congress? The ones that spy on presidential candidates and even elected presidents? These are undisputable facts, not Alex Jones rambling about the Illuminati or the Rothschilds. Fuck, man, it's only within the last week that a deputy director of the FBI admitted on live television that it's their job to suppress the wrong sort of people from getting elected to government.
Total. Shit. For. Brains. You, and your upraters.
...which so far is an utterly baseless conspiracy theory put out by Democrats butthurt they lost the 2016 election (in the same way so many butthurt Republicans went Full Birther after 2008), media wanting to keep up high ratings for propagandists like Rachael Madcow, and the deep state wanting to keep people compliant and stupid. To go back to the good old days when 75% of Americans thought Saddam had WMD's and was involved in 911.
A baseless CT propped up by a Gish Gallop, same as other idiotic conspiracy theories like Birtherism or Chem Trailers. But ask any Russiagater to provide definitive facts or a timeline and they simply fall apart.
Cool story bro. You know places like that already exist, have you looked into housing there? You can even enjoy your free market cholera.