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Shutdown Hits Industries Nationwide (wsj.com)
The partial government shutdown is affecting a wide range of business and financial concerns nationwide. From a report: Shuttered government offices are stalling the approval of new loans, initial public offerings, the processing of tax documents, and the approval of new products such as prescription drugs, among other effects. While some programs are reopening on a temporary basis or providing workarounds for affected companies, most services won't return to normal until the government fully reopens and 800,000 federal workers sift through the backlog.
Here is a round up of the impact: The partial closure of the Securities and Exchange Commission is delaying the ability of companies to open the IPO market. Companies that were seeking to list shares in January are delaying plans since the regulator has stopped reviewing and approving new and pending corporate registration statements. Airlines expect to have sluggish revenue growth in the first quarter in part because of revenue lost from government travel cancellations. Delta Air Lines Inc. Chief Executive Ed Bastian, for instance, said the shutdown would cost his airline $25 million in lost revenue from government travel. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has dramatically curtailed inspections of domestic facilities at food-processing companies during the shutdown, though unpaid inspectors have resumed work inspecting higher-risk products such as fresh fruits and vegetables, eggs, seafood and dairy products.
At the Internal Revenue Service, the shutdown has created delays in getting some employer identification numbers, holding up some routine business deals. Some small-business loans are also stuck in limbo. The Small Business Administration has stopped approving routine loans that the agency backs to ensure entrepreneurs have access to funds, halting their plans for expansion and repairs and forcing some owners to consider costlier sources of cash. The government process for reviewing proposed mergers has been slowed by the shutdown, but it is still operating. Businesses that have government contracts are feeling the strain across a variety of industries, including the building of highways and bridges.
Here is a round up of the impact: The partial closure of the Securities and Exchange Commission is delaying the ability of companies to open the IPO market. Companies that were seeking to list shares in January are delaying plans since the regulator has stopped reviewing and approving new and pending corporate registration statements. Airlines expect to have sluggish revenue growth in the first quarter in part because of revenue lost from government travel cancellations. Delta Air Lines Inc. Chief Executive Ed Bastian, for instance, said the shutdown would cost his airline $25 million in lost revenue from government travel. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has dramatically curtailed inspections of domestic facilities at food-processing companies during the shutdown, though unpaid inspectors have resumed work inspecting higher-risk products such as fresh fruits and vegetables, eggs, seafood and dairy products.
At the Internal Revenue Service, the shutdown has created delays in getting some employer identification numbers, holding up some routine business deals. Some small-business loans are also stuck in limbo. The Small Business Administration has stopped approving routine loans that the agency backs to ensure entrepreneurs have access to funds, halting their plans for expansion and repairs and forcing some owners to consider costlier sources of cash. The government process for reviewing proposed mergers has been slowed by the shutdown, but it is still operating. Businesses that have government contracts are feeling the strain across a variety of industries, including the building of highways and bridges.
“I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.”
Donald Trump
Out of those 800,000 people, are there enough people with student loans, mortages, CC balances, and other normal debts, that when they stop paying them could be the catalyst to another debt crisis?
"Delta Air Lines Inc Chief Executive Ed Bastian, for instance, said the shutdown would cost his airline $25 million in lost revenue from government travel"
Delta had over $41 BILLION in revenue last year. I get it that everyone hates Trump, but this whole thing is wildly overblown.
Making America Great Again. Congrats.
If the government can't be assed to get it self running properly, then anything that previously requires some government oversight should be allowed to move forward without the shutdown government holding them back.
Delayed IPO? Go on ahead with going public.
New Drug? Not a problem, do your studies and use some good judgement. Besides if you fail you get sued which is a nice trade off.
Tax Payments? Sucks to be you government, can't figure yourself out your crap can't get paid.
Airport Security? No more lines at the airport.
Air traffic Control? Anarchy of the skies!
The last one was a joke. ATC should be airport employees and not FAA employees like how it is in everywhere else in the world.
Why is everything here getting so political? I read about this on every other news feeds, I don't need it here as well.
Trump derangement syndrome. Their hatred for him runs so deep that they're willing to do a complete 180 on border security just to stick it to him, the rest of us be damned.
Well, I guess they'll just have to get private sector jobs, boohoo.
Everything is still his fault, right?
Reminds me of a LOT of cyberpunk scenarios, where international companies and mobs start carving up nations, using people's conservative traditions to make a mockery of everything those traditions mean, in order to take everything from them.
Explains that odd twist in the smile that pops up on Republican faces when they tell bald-faced lies more than most anything else.
Ryan Fenton
Over 2/3 of illegal immigrants in the USA enter through the normal points of entry and overstay their visa.
Why is building an expensive wall that requires taking people's property via eminent domain while doing nothing to address the vast majority of illegal immigration more important to Republicans than America's jobs? Really makes you wonder...
Just kidding. We already know the answer is "racism"
Actually in the last couple of days Schumer and Pelosi have both said they won't work with Trump under ANY circumstances to open the government. Those 800,000 employees must be so important to them they won't even talk with the president about it.
At this point its the Schumer Shutdown Part 2.
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Wow, so for 5 billion out of a 4 trillion dollar budget we can eliminate 2/3rds of illegal entries? That should be a no brainer! What kind of a person would be against such a cost effective solution?
Trump derangement syndrome. Their hatred for him runs so deep that they're willing to do a complete 180 on border security just to stick it to him, the rest of us be damned.
You falsely imply that keeping illegal border crossings open is important to Democrats.
First, it's not clear what it means for an "illegal border crossing" to be "kept open", but more importantly, the Democrats have already offered over a billion dollars to improve border security -- it's the $5.7B for a "wall" or "physical barrier" or "not a wall from sea to shining sea but merely a few improvements" that Trump's requesting that they're disagreeing with.
I'd also like to point out that while the scope of Trump's proposed border security "solution" keeps shrinking, the price tag does not. If he needed $5.7B to "build the wall!", then why isn't it considerably cheaper to implement his newly scaled down plan?
Chuuch. Preach. Tabernacle.
No. Financial institutions are giving feds all kinds of options. They understand that that they aren't in the case of being unable to pay their debt, they are unable to pay their debt at this time.
why are democraps so hell bent on blocking the wall now when they used to support it?
FDA, Air Traffic Control, Parks Service, etc are all needed. But yet the media chooses to harp on the plight of the poor TSA smurfs. You know, the people who say "papers please" before you're boarding a flight in your own country and make you pass through a nudie-scanner or get your crotch groped by them. Yeah, yeah, they're "just doing their jobs." Guess what? If no one was willing to do the job, the job wouldn't be so obnoxious.
Keep everything else, but if TSA were all fired (but we kept real security measures like armed crew, air marshals, reinforced/locked flight deck doors, and a policy of non-cooperation with hijackers), and replaced with private security, it would be a net gain for freedom in the USA.
As it is, the TSA was mostly created as corporate welfare for airlines. It took security out of their hands, thus washed their hands of liability. Strict ID checks also make re-sale of tickets more difficult, thus protect airlines' revenue stream from change fees.
and you won't like the results.
Delayed IPO? Great Depression 2.0 New Drug? Snake Oil. Tax Payments? They already have your money, you won't get your refund. Airport Security? 9/11 2.0
The FDA isn't inspecting food right now. If this keeps up sooner or later we're gonna have an outbreak. If you have small children they're going to die. Same if you're elderly.
Folks really, really underestimate how important and beneficial the government is. That's because most of the time you're dealing with Government in your personal life it's taxes, tickets or the DMV.
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this massively impacts our lives. If this keeps up the economy will tank. Then we're gonna start seeing mass layoffs to boost stock prices.
Politics impact every aspect of your life. This is the "Stuff that matters" part of the tag line. There's a taboo on talking about them because our ruling class would like very much for you and me to leave all that icky government stuff up to them.
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Multiple Russian female prostitutes, wearing Chinese knock-off Soviet-era flag panties, bleeding red dye into the urination stream, leaving a presidential orange glow starting on the head, then collected as it drips from his toes, and distributed to the incel army, with a hearty "OH Yeah!!" as the wall goes bust!
generating a large list of people who should never be re-elected.
Politics in the US should be about what is best for the country, not some personal/political grudges or egregious self interest/self promotion.
If political parties have lost sight of that, voters should make their voices heard (loudly) If voters can't be bothered to fix this mess, they deserve their representation.
Wow, so for 5 billion out of a 4 trillion dollar budget we can eliminate 2/3rds of illegal entries?
Reading-comprehension fail. 2/3 is the number of illegal immigrants a wall would not stop. That said, 1/3 is nothing to scoff at and should still be a no-brainer.
say we make it permanent and fire all furloughed workers. We might actually be able to balance the budge,
All government salaries combined account for around $200 billion. We could literally fire every single federal employee and we still wouldn't have even covered half the federal deficit ($779 billion last year).
Who's with me on this....
Nobody with a brain in their skull.
So, I apologize for being a bit slow, but how exactly will a wall eliminate these 2/3 of illegal immigrants that enter through through the normal ports of entry?
Are you suggesting that the intent of the wall is to shut down existing ports of entry?
Why is keeping illegal border crossings open more important to Democrats than American's jobs? Really makes you wonder...
Because this idiotic wall would do nothing to prevent them. It's a wasteful and hateful bit of bigotry and xenophobia. Ironic too in a country filled almost entirely with immigrants and their decendants. If Trump and the republicans gave a shit about US jobs he would and should cave on this immediately but he's willing to burn down the house to build a monument to his racism.
Votes... and that eventually means government takeover and total control if and when they have the Presidency, House of Representatives majority, and Senate majority.
They are not just against the US/Mexico border wall...
Against voter ID... no, it's not "minority suppression", but voter ID including citizenship verification before issuing such a voter ID blocks any illegal alien or non-citizen even with legal documentation from casting an illegal vote. They can't even illegally register to vote, although online registration plus any online "interview" session for citizenship verification is a loophole in absolute citizens-only voting.
The excuse that illegals do work other American citizens won't do... well, then pay the prevailing wage for the expected work, don't go import (e.g., trafficking) and hire illegals to underpay them.
The excuse that when they work, they pay taxes and contribute to the American economy... using someone else's stolen identity information? (More to the point, do they show a photocopy of documentation for I9 verification instead of document originals?)
Repeat illegal border crossers arrested after a robbery, rape, or even murder. Not to mention use of force against the US Border Patrol. Liberals, especially the media, want to reduce it to a statistical numbers game. Especially that should be walled off so it doesn't happen at all. Zero tolerance.
Illegal aliens crossing the border are not just Mexicans. They have found illegal Chinese being trafficked across the border. The caravans are Central Americans.
Democrats stand for a Pure Democracy. Not a Republic. Article IV Section 4 requires a Republican form of Government guaranteed to the States, protection against Invasion and Domestic Violence. Articles I, II, and III define how the Republic will be run at the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches. Amendments exists, but the Article V amendment process means the US Constitution is not "a living document" but one that is resistant to rapid changes without a super-majority. Democrats fundamentally want to do away with the Electoral College among other causes (and it's been argued that doing so gives a few large states a super-majority over the entire election), and that makes them against the US Constitution (Article II Section 1, Amendment XII, Amendment XXIII). They also abhor freedom of choice, and when given sufficient attention and votes to their cause often ban, tax, or socially shame freedom of choice.
Read their platform that is written more sensibly than they practice their politics, but that's why the Democrats are starting to lean further left to Democratic Socialism, not just a Pure Democracy. The United States of America can have its diversity and inclusion without making the minority populations of society overthrow the majority will of the people. It starts at the university levels when Liberal/Democrats preach their causes as part of "a well-rounded general education", then the inevitable protests that block the streets including marches without a permit, violence bordering on riots, actual riots resulting in vandalism, fires, and ultimately property destruction. They even did that for 10 days when Donald J. Trump won the presidency, shortly after Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton told them to always fight for what they believed in as part of her concession of defeat speech. Democrats ultimately want a new global world order, but then whose foreign country values ultimately prevail? Nothing in the US Constitution mandates a two party system. Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have A Dream" speech was about unity, not anyone's supremacy. Something to consider... strongly consider... do we really need The Democratic Party as it exists today?
Airport Security? 9/11 2.0
Any time the run tests on what security screeners actually catch, it's something like an 70% failure rate - for things like guns. It is laughable to claim they are the reason we've not had more serious incidents.
A this point airline passengers are savvy enough there's never going to be a 9/11 2.0, even if you simply abolished the TSA...
You could easily replace that whole meaningless machinery with randomly placed undercover armed security on planes (the airlines could handle that, or government security when that was open) along with some light profiling in airport terminals.
The FDA isn't inspecting food right now
Gees dude can you not even read the WHOLE SUMMARY? They are for high risk products. But do you really think the food industry is not doing its own inspections as well?
Folks really, really underestimate how important and beneficial the government is.
With it shut down over a month now it seems we really, really don't.
There are some areas where it is useful but we could pair back a LOT of government and make people's lives better all around.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
"Why is keeping illegal border crossings open more important to Democrats than American's jobs? Really makes you wonder..."
Why wasnt it important to the Repubs BEFORE Dems took the house?
You guys had the sandbox all to yourself for 2 solid years, why didnt you build you little wall then?
Called in to work the current tax season. Without pay.
If there's anyone who should be comfortable with working, opening their pay envelope and finding nothing, it's the IRS. Welcome to the club.
Have gnu, will travel.
and you know it's not. There's no shortage of articles showing the wall is bullshit, that it was a memory trick to get Trump to remember to bang on about immigration, that walls can be tunneled under, climbed over and in the case of "beautify steel slats" cut open with a saw. You know all this. You're trolling.
/.ers your in your 40s. Good luck finding a job after a layoff like that. The jobs will go to H1-Bs and Millennials. You'll end up in a shit job working graveyard 12s 4 days a week for enough money to pay your mortgage. That's what you've got to lose.
Thing is, the GOP is trolling all of us. The timing of this shut down was just before the Democrats took over the House. They did this to damage the Democratic party. They're ready to risk the entire US Economy for a political stunt. We should all be mortified, but somehow 40% still think this is a good idea.
What have you got to lose? When the economy weakens your CEO is going to want his stock price to go back up (he takes a pay cut when it dips). That means stock buy backs. That means he needs cash. He's going to lay your ass off. If you're like most
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See my subject: NOW, we'll find out IF the job #'s are right (a glut of jobs unable to be filled) since a starving person seeks work to eat.
* NECESSITY (the ULTIMATE one, survival) IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION!
(I don't mean to be 'cruel' either but EVERYONE KNOWS there are a LOT of scumbags LEECHING the system (especially off folks like me who are homeowners paying OUTRAGEOUS taxes for welfare as I do in NY State (california MAY rival us) paying for it) - time to "flush them out" & see if jobs get filled creating OTHER taxpayers to help offload us homeowners (since the industrial taxbase was eroded by OFFSHORING scumbag execs for "mo' MONEY" (the root of all evil, especially THEIRS, greedy short-sighted SWINE))).
Hey, look - I KNOW, that in NY State (per a pal of mine who works WELFARE FRAUD since I rent to folks on welfare @ times) IF YOU'RE OUT OF WORK, you can have up to $999,000 in the bank & GET FOODSTAMPS! FACT!
WTF!
THAT is wrong - I could do it, I just "make a living" & NOT 'super-wealthy' here (due to F'ing highest taxes & utilities combined in the USA in NY State afaik, correct me IF I am off here, TIA).
I DO NOT TAKE THAT "AID" as I KNOW it cripples a person & is f'ing CHEATING as far as I am concerned.
Take away a man's NEED to have DRIVE? You "kill" that MAN & make him LESS of a MAN - a potato.
Satisfy his Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" in pain/acceptance thresholds, it happens.
Stops you from SELF- ACTUALIZATION imo (where YOU realize your potential & GIVE BACK TO SOCIETY thru creativity etc. as I am attempting via https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... BECAUSE I CAN & I am after that VERY same PERSONAL GOAL for my own good & yes, the GOOD of others too...)
APK
P.S.=> ... & I don't have $999,000 in the bank either (I still won't STOOP SO LOW as to take a kid's food THAT NEEDS IT if his parents are down on their luck OR BUMS, is why - I could, but I don't - but a LOT OF SCUM WILL - dirty motherfucking bastards)... apk
Meanwhile, in civilised countries, if a budget approval isn't given, the previous authorised budget is automatically continued until such time as a new budget is approved.
Nobody goes unpaid.
Government doesn't get shutdown.
Nobody has to implement emergency measures.
Everything carries on as it did before until someone can get changes approved and sign off on the new budget.
At no point does anything go any more unfunded/underfunded than it already was before the new budget was proposed.
It's almost like those other countries spotted what a stupid idea "shut down the government", including using it as blackmail, was many, many, many centuries ago and worked around it.
Going nicely according to Putin's orders.
Israel's wall has been fairly effective:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#Effectiveness
No barrier is perfectly effective. People break out of prisons on occasion - that doesn't discount the utility of prisons in general.
Using "perfection" as an excuse to leave our border unprotected is just stupid. Most people that are anti-wall should just admit they are open borders activists. No amount of border security will make them happy.
ANDROID RUK in "What are little girls made of": "THAT was the EQUATION: Survival/existence must CANCEL OUT PROGRAMMING!"
* Programming folks giving us welfare checks to MAKE US INTO LACKADAISICAL DIRT (potatos as I alluded to in my post PARENT to this one https://news.slashdot.org/comm... )
APK
P.S.=> It's just like FAKEBOOK was caught doing basically - a psychological SOCIAL experiment to see how they can "STEER THE CATTLE" right into the Judas GOAT pen for slaughter... apk
The legislation to open the government has already been passed by the Democrats.
The racist, sexist, senile bastard in the oval office threatened to veto the legislation. So his Republican lap dogs in the Senate just sit on their hands.
Presidents don't close the government unless they get specific funding on a controversial (not publicly supported) budgetary item (the wall). The United States of America has never worked like that.
Only in the traitorous despotic Trumpocracy would idiots expect government to work like that.
Clearly this wall money is to be nothing but a huge slush fund.
Where are you getting this $44trillion number from? US GDP is half that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_federal_budget
Trump isn't even asking for anything like that. Check the budget docs yourself. Page 121. Unless you've somehow taken the budget numbers for 2019-2028 and mixed them up into one thing
https://www.govinfo.gov/conten...
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Trump shut down a lot of the government - holding it and those who need it hostage - for the IDEA of a wall, not current policies or programs, an IDEA.
What would we call that behaviour, normally?
And why would we NOT 'negotiate'?
You use the same trick that state governments use when talking about public employee salaries - you talk about the current annual cost of salaries while ignoring long-term unfunded pension and healthcare liabilities.
The current estimates for unfunded federal pension liabilities are about $3.5 trillion.
Cutting the enormous federal bureaucracy makes a small short-term beneficial impact and a very large long-term beneficial impact. Cutting the federal government back to it's constitutionally defined responsibilities will go a long way to restoring sanity to our nation's finances.
If you want to see what a nation's finances looks like with too many people working for government - look at Greece. We are heading towards disaster if we don't do something about it now.
Due to the uncontrolled growth of state and federal governments, we have made long-term financial promises that can never be fulfilled. These liabilities will rob our children and grandchildren of their futures.
I keep wondering how long before the government workers just get new jobs so that even after the shutdown is over the government will still be crippled because they can't get the people back.
"The partial government shutdown..."
Please qualify this, we don't all live in the US.
Why not pass the bill that is already on his desk? Trump is a terrorist.
A Good Troll is better than a Bad Human.
ANDROID RUK in "What are little girls made of": "THAT was the EQUATION: Survival/existence must CANCEL OUT PROGRAMMING!"
* Programming folks giving us welfare checks to MAKE US INTO LACKADAISICAL DIRT (potatos as I alluded to in my post PARENT to this one https://news.slashdot.org/comm... )
APK
P.S.=> It's just like FAKEBOOK was caught doing basically - a psychological SOCIAL experiment to see how they can "STEER THE CATTLE" right into the Judas GOAT pen for slaughter... apk
Fruit and vegetables. The answer is always fruit and vegetables.
No. The cost of opening the government is $0.
It is like asking middle Americans to pony up money they don't have for a ineffective solution nobody wants, after they were told they wouldn't have to burden the cost in the first place, all so a weak president can fulfill a poorly thought out campaign "promise" he never intended to keep in the first place, because he was just telling everyone what they wanted to hear, so he could win the election and satisfy his ego..
I say DON'T write the $57 dollar check, so the kids can have their milk money and you can put gas in the car. These are the same families that have already have kids on school lunch assistance programs.
In the meantime, Trump allowed himself to get totally bitch slapped by Ann Coulter. So after getting pushed around by a girl, now he's gotta try to pretend he isn't a little weakling, so he refused to sign. This was Trump's decision and Trump's alone. Everybody knows it. It shows in the polls.
ANDROID RUK in "What are little girls made of": "THAT was the EQUATION: Survival/existence must CANCEL OUT PROGRAMMING!"
* Programming folks giving us welfare checks to MAKE US INTO LACKADAISICAL DIRT (potatos as I alluded to in my post PARENT to this one https://news.slashdot.org/comm... )
APK
P.S.=> It's just like FAKEBOOK was caught doing basically - a psychological SOCIAL experiment to see how they can "STEER THE CATTLE" right into the Judas GOAT pen for slaughter... apk
See my subject: NOW, we'll find out IF the job #'s are right (a glut of jobs unable to be filled) since a starving person seeks work to eat.
* NECESSITY (the ULTIMATE one, survival) IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION!
(I don't mean to be 'cruel' either but EVERYONE KNOWS there are a LOT of scumbags LEECHING the system (especially off folks like me who are homeowners paying OUTRAGEOUS taxes for welfare as I do in NY State (california MAY rival us) paying for it) - time to "flush them out" & see if jobs get filled creating OTHER taxpayers to help offload us homeowners (since the industrial taxbase was eroded by OFFSHORING scumbag execs for "mo' MONEY" (the root of all evil, especially THEIRS, greedy short-sighted SWINE))).
Hey, look - I KNOW, that in NY State (per a pal of mine who works WELFARE FRAUD since I rent to folks on welfare @ times) IF YOU'RE OUT OF WORK, you can have up to $999,000 in the bank & GET FOODSTAMPS! FACT!
WTF!
THAT is wrong - I could do it, I just "make a living" & NOT 'super-wealthy' here (due to F'ing highest taxes & utilities combined in the USA in NY State afaik, correct me IF I am off here, TIA).
I DO NOT TAKE THAT "AID" as I KNOW it cripples a person & is f'ing CHEATING as far as I am concerned.
Take away a man's NEED to have DRIVE? You "kill" that MAN & make him LESS of a MAN - a potato.
Satisfy his Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" in pain/acceptance thresholds, it happens.
Stops you from SELF- ACTUALIZATION imo (where YOU realize your potential & GIVE BACK TO SOCIETY thru creativity etc. as I am attempting via https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... BECAUSE I CAN & I am after that VERY same PERSONAL GOAL for my own good & yes, the GOOD of others too...)
APK
P.S.=> ... & I don't have $999,000 in the bank either (I still won't STOOP SO LOW as to take a kid's food THAT NEEDS IT if his parents are down on their luck OR BUMS, is why - I could, but I don't - but a LOT OF SCUM WILL - dirty motherfucking bastards)... apk
ANDROID RUK in "What are little girls made of": "THAT was the EQUATION: Survival/existence must CANCEL OUT PROGRAMMING!"
* Programming folks giving us welfare checks to MAKE US INTO LACKADAISICAL DIRT (potatos as I alluded to in my post PARENT to this one https://news.slashdot.org/comm... )
APK
P.S.=> It's just like FAKEBOOK was caught doing basically - a psychological SOCIAL experiment to see how they can "STEER THE CATTLE" right into the Judas GOAT pen for slaughter... apk
Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.
Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.
This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):
Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen H
See my subject: NOW, we'll find out IF the job #'s are right (a glut of jobs unable to be filled) since a starving person seeks work to eat.
* NECESSITY (the ULTIMATE one, survival) IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION!
(I don't mean to be 'cruel' either but EVERYONE KNOWS there are a LOT of scumbags LEECHING the system (especially off folks like me who are homeowners paying OUTRAGEOUS taxes for welfare as I do in NY State (california MAY rival us) paying for it) - time to "flush them out" & see if jobs get filled creating OTHER taxpayers to help offload us homeowners (since the industrial taxbase was eroded by OFFSHORING scumbag execs for "mo' MONEY" (the root of all evil, especially THEIRS, greedy short-sighted SWINE))).
Hey, look - I KNOW, that in NY State (per a pal of mine who works WELFARE FRAUD since I rent to folks on welfare @ times) IF YOU'RE OUT OF WORK, you can have up to $999,000 in the bank & GET FOODSTAMPS! FACT!
WTF!
THAT is wrong - I could do it, I just "make a living" & NOT 'super-wealthy' here (due to F'ing highest taxes & utilities combined in the USA in NY State afaik, correct me IF I am off here, TIA).
I DO NOT TAKE THAT "AID" as I KNOW it cripples a person & is f'ing CHEATING as far as I am concerned.
Take away a man's NEED to have DRIVE? You "kill" that MAN & make him LESS of a MAN - a potato.
Satisfy his Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" in pain/acceptance thresholds, it happens.
Stops you from SELF- ACTUALIZATION imo (where YOU realize your potential & GIVE BACK TO SOCIETY thru creativity etc. as I am attempting via https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... BECAUSE I CAN & I am after that VERY same PERSONAL GOAL for my own good & yes, the GOOD of others too...)
APK
P.S.=> ... & I don't have $999,000 in the bank either (I still won't STOOP SO LOW as to take a kid's food THAT NEEDS IT if his parents are down on their luck OR BUMS, is why - I could, but I don't - but a LOT OF SCUM WILL - dirty motherfucking bastards)... apk
ANDROID RUK in "What are little girls made of": "THAT was the EQUATION: Survival/existence must CANCEL OUT PROGRAMMING!"
* Programming folks giving us welfare checks to MAKE US INTO LACKADAISICAL DIRT (potatos as I alluded to in my post PARENT to this one https://news.slashdot.org/comm... )
APK
P.S.=> It's just like FAKEBOOK was caught doing basically - a psychological SOCIAL experiment to see how they can "STEER THE CATTLE" right into the Judas GOAT pen for slaughter... apk
Israel's wall has been fairly effective:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#Effectiveness
No barrier is perfectly effective. People break out of prisons on occasion - that doesn't discount the utility of prisons in general.
Using "perfection" as an excuse to leave our border unprotected is just stupid. Most people that are anti-wall should just admit they are open borders activists. No amount of border security will make them happy.
from the article you cited:
Haaretz reported, "[t]he security fence is no longer mentioned as the major factor in preventing suicide bombings, mainly because the terrorists have found ways to bypass it."[56] Former Israeli Secretary of Defence Moshe Arens says that the reduction in Palestinian violence is largely due to the IDF's entry into the West Bank in 2002.[57]
Maybe people who are for the wall should admit they haven't studied the issue and attribute false motivations to those who have?
"A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his own party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the president is weak."
Trump is officially the weakest President in the history of the US.
See my subject: NOW, we'll find out IF the job #'s are right (a glut of jobs unable to be filled) since a starving person seeks work to eat.
* NECESSITY (the ULTIMATE one, survival) IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION!
(I don't mean to be 'cruel' either but EVERYONE KNOWS there are a LOT of scumbags LEECHING the system (especially off folks like me who are homeowners paying OUTRAGEOUS taxes for welfare as I do in NY State (california MAY rival us) paying for it) - time to "flush them out" & see if jobs get filled creating OTHER taxpayers to help offload us homeowners (since the industrial taxbase was eroded by OFFSHORING scumbag execs for "mo' MONEY" (the root of all evil, especially THEIRS, greedy short-sighted SWINE))).
Hey, look - I KNOW, that in NY State (per a pal of mine who works WELFARE FRAUD since I rent to folks on welfare @ times) IF YOU'RE OUT OF WORK, you can have up to $999,000 in the bank & GET FOODSTAMPS! FACT!
WTF!
THAT is wrong - I could do it, I just "make a living" & NOT 'super-wealthy' here (due to F'ing highest taxes & utilities combined in the USA in NY State afaik, correct me IF I am off here, TIA).
I DO NOT TAKE THAT "AID" as I KNOW it cripples a person & is f'ing CHEATING as far as I am concerned.
Take away a man's NEED to have DRIVE? You "kill" that MAN & make him LESS of a MAN - a potato.
Satisfy his Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" in pain/acceptance thresholds, it happens.
Stops you from SELF- ACTUALIZATION imo (where YOU realize your potential & GIVE BACK TO SOCIETY thru creativity etc. as I am attempting via https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... BECAUSE I CAN & I am after that VERY same PERSONAL GOAL for my own good & yes, the GOOD of others too...)
APK
P.S.=> ... & I don't have $999,000 in the bank either (I still won't STOOP SO LOW as to take a kid's food THAT NEEDS IT if his parents are down on their luck OR BUMS, is why - I could, but I don't - but a LOT OF SCUM WILL - dirty motherfucking bastards)... apk
ANDROID RUK in "What are little girls made of": "THAT was the EQUATION: Survival/existence must CANCEL OUT PROGRAMMING!"
* Programming folks giving us welfare checks to MAKE US INTO LACKADAISICAL DIRT (potatos as I alluded to in my post PARENT to this one https://news.slashdot.org/comm... )
APK
P.S.=> It's just like FAKEBOOK was caught doing basically - a psychological SOCIAL experiment to see how they can "STEER THE CATTLE" right into the Judas GOAT pen for slaughter... apk
Are you suggesting the Dems want to do something about visa overstays instead of a wall?
When has this ever impressed financial institutes?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
See my subject: NOW, we'll find out IF the job #'s are right (a glut of jobs unable to be filled) since a starving person seeks work to eat.
* NECESSITY (the ULTIMATE one, survival) IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION!
(I don't mean to be 'cruel' either but EVERYONE KNOWS there are a LOT of scumbags LEECHING the system (especially off folks like me who are homeowners paying OUTRAGEOUS taxes for welfare as I do in NY State (california MAY rival us) paying for it) - time to "flush them out" & see if jobs get filled creating OTHER taxpayers to help offload us homeowners (since the industrial taxbase was eroded by OFFSHORING scumbag execs for "mo' MONEY" (the root of all evil, especially THEIRS, greedy short-sighted SWINE))).
Hey, look - I KNOW, that in NY State (per a pal of mine who works WELFARE FRAUD since I rent to folks on welfare @ times) IF YOU'RE OUT OF WORK, you can have up to $999,000 in the bank & GET FOODSTAMPS! FACT!
WTF!
THAT is wrong - I could do it, I just "make a living" & NOT 'super-wealthy' here (due to F'ing highest taxes & utilities combined in the USA in NY State afaik, correct me IF I am off here, TIA).
I DO NOT TAKE THAT "AID" as I KNOW it cripples a person & is f'ing CHEATING as far as I am concerned.
Take away a man's NEED to have DRIVE? You "kill" that MAN & make him LESS of a MAN - a potato.
Satisfy his Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" in pain/acceptance thresholds, it happens.
Stops you from SELF- ACTUALIZATION imo (where YOU realize your potential & GIVE BACK TO SOCIETY thru creativity etc. as I am attempting via https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... BECAUSE I CAN & I am after that VERY same PERSONAL GOAL for my own good & yes, the GOOD of others too...)
APK
P.S.=> ... & I don't have $999,000 in the bank either (I still won't STOOP SO LOW as to take a kid's food THAT NEEDS IT if his parents are down on their luck OR BUMS, is why - I could, but I don't - but a LOT OF SCUM WILL - dirty motherfucking bastards)... apk
Trump derangement syndrome. Their hatred for him runs so deep that they're willing to do a complete 180 on border security just to stick it to him, the rest of us be damned.
If this was about border security then why didn’t the former governer of Texas, and US President for eight years ask for it?
Shit, the last two republican presidents were from Texas, the first Bush doubled down on the War on Drugs. Where was the stop everything and cut a check for all the wall I want back then? Clearly it wasn’t an emergency, and there’s nothing factual suggesting it is now. It’s plainly obvious that both parties are completely happy dolling out chunks of money for border security. The whole full wall funding now or else silver bullet bull shit isn’t fooling anyone but trumpkins.
ANDROID RUK in "What are little girls made of": "THAT was the EQUATION: Survival/existence must CANCEL OUT PROGRAMMING!"
* Programming folks giving us welfare checks to MAKE US INTO LACKADAISICAL DIRT (potatos as I alluded to in my post PARENT to this one https://news.slashdot.org/comm... )
APK
P.S.=> It's just like FAKEBOOK was caught doing basically - a psychological SOCIAL experiment to see how they can "STEER THE CATTLE" right into the Judas GOAT pen for slaughter... apk
The dems are about to save you a shitload of money, by not allowing a goofball with delusions of grandeur to blow it on something that won't ever stop a single illegal immigrant.
That amount of money would be more than sufficient to actually DO something against illegal immigration. But since when did the Reps ever want to do that? Cheap labor that can't organize isn't easy to find inside the US, ya know...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Better build the wall then. I don't care how long we have to keep shut down. There is a law on the books from the Obama days that said the wall "shall be built" and they didn't do it. This isn't optional.
Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.
Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.
This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):
Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen H
Big if true.
Last time I heard this it was "almost half", now it's two thirds.
Those checkpoints have become very popular in just a few days.
A local beer company says they may not be able to make "new" summer beers. The labels must be inspected and approved by the government (yes -- the labels, on the can). Their plan is to bring back last years summer beer because those labels are approved. There is a deadline for them to meet the summer demand - but with an expected backlog they still aren't sure they can make it.
Imagine - government killing innovation.
I hope they haven't started making that beer yet. It would be a money loser if it was already in the pipeline. sure they could come out with it later - but who wants to buy a Summer Ale during October Fest?
The shutdown is having a wide impact across several industries.
After the Republicans are slapped in the face again in 2020 (just like in the 2018 midterms), you racist morons will realize that you need to find politicians who at least pretend to not be racist, sexist bastards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
If I could have one wish come true this Christmas, it's that you would have a bout of food poisoning brought about by a lack of food safety inspections while in a long queue at an airport caused by a lack of TSA staff. You wouldn't learn the error of your ways, but the suffering would be reasonable poetic justice.
Now would be a good time :(
[($)]
Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.
Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.
This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):
Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen H
This is like the parent who insists on getting a giant SUV to drive around their family with because it's "safer", when in reality the minivan is twice as safe and half the price, plus is better for carrying cargo and gets better fuel economy. That parent doesn't really care about what makes their family safer, they just care about what makes them feel good. And a giant steel box covered in leather makes them feel good, regardless of how likely it is to kill a member of their family.
Trump wants a wall to make the sort of people who are afraid of Mexicans *feel* safer, even though the money is better spent on things that will actually *make* them safer.
Why is the wall a waste of money? First of all is the fiction that Mexicans apparently don't know how to use shovels or ropes. The wall isn't going to stop somebody who really wants to come in. Second is the fiction that Mexicans are criminals or disease carriers. Mexican immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than non-immigrants and don't have diseases that Americans don't already have. Third is the fiction that it's just a few billion dollars. Maybe it's a few billion dollars to build one small section of the wall, but it will take an order of magnitude more money to build the complete wall, and you have to spend money every day for maintenance and monitoring. If you don't have a guard tower every 1000 feet, you may as well not have a wall.
dom
Slashdot could fix this copy paste bullshit by adding a simple delay before accepting the next character in input. Even a two millisecond delay per character would allow 100wpm typists unfettered access.
Congress can end this shutdown without the president's support or approval. They can pass a budget bill, and send it to the president. If he vetoes it, they can vote to override the veto.
I don't understand why more people aren't holding Congress to task on this. They literally don't need the president's buy-in at all to get a budget passed.
---- I'll take you in a Hunt deathmatch any day.
The dems are about to save you a shitload of money, by not allowing a goofball with delusions of grandeur to blow it on something that won't ever stop a single illegal immigrant.
Now, that's an exaggeration. It would probably stop a handful, at least. It wouldn't put any meaningful dent in the numbers, however.
On the other hand, I don't think that the wall would ever actually get built. They'd say they're building the wall, and they'd maybe make a token effort, and then the money would disappear into the usual pockets and then you'd see the outstretched hand return — or you'd see Trump's back side retreat into the distance, but you wouldn't see a wall. It's much like how he goes golfing every weekend on the premise that it's necessary for him to reduce his stress level and govern effectively. Bollocks, of course; he has no intention of doing any such thing.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Why do you think that wall would stop the 1/3? It is far more plausible that they would just be delayed a bit while they figure out how to climb it. (Or pay an entrance fee for one of the tunnels under the wall). And all this only until the first Mexican scrap-metal dealer figures out how to mine this rich resource.
Democrats certainly refuse to agree with him, they can rationally recognize him for the lying hyperbolic conartist he is.
If you like your insurance or your doctor you can keep it.
You will save $2500 a year on premiums.
They can recognize a liar? No they can't, in fact they attack people who tell the truth, like everyone who said the ACA would RAISE premiums like it did.
Remember, this is "We have to pass the bill to see what is in it" Pelosi.
I would suggest you don't call other people liars if you support Democrats.
So, essentially, it's like the Alaskan Bridge to Nowhere all over again.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
LOL! Does THAT matter? No & I pay for it as a homeowner paying taxes to make my fellow man into a potato?? No way & obviously you see I don't USE THE WELFARE SYSTEM MYSELF - no way (demeaning & I KNOW what NOT doing this "Don't give me a fish: Give me a fishing pole & TEACH ME HOW TO FISH FOR MYSELF" does to men - ruins them).
* Take away a man's incentive & DRIVE? GOOD women don't want them - assuming a woman's NOT a "Gold Digger", most chicks just want a guy that can HOLD THEIR OWN - not a potato living off welfare.
(Gets a man to SHOOT HIMSELF IN THE FOOT before he can even start a race to the finish line in other words - just like HEROIN or other OPIATES do).
APK
P.S.=> Thanks for MAKING MY POINT for me... apk
See my subject: NOW, we'll find out IF the job #'s are right (a glut of jobs unable to be filled) since a starving person seeks work to eat.
* NECESSITY (the ULTIMATE one, survival) IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION!
(I don't mean to be 'cruel' either but EVERYONE KNOWS there are a LOT of scumbags LEECHING the system (especially off folks like me who are homeowners paying OUTRAGEOUS taxes for welfare as I do in NY State (california MAY rival us) paying for it) - time to "flush them out" & see if jobs get filled creating OTHER taxpayers to help offload us homeowners (since the industrial taxbase was eroded by OFFSHORING scumbag execs for "mo' MONEY" (the root of all evil, especially THEIRS, greedy short-sighted SWINE))).
Hey, look - I KNOW, that in NY State (per a pal of mine who works WELFARE FRAUD since I rent to folks on welfare @ times) IF YOU'RE OUT OF WORK, you can have up to $999,000 in the bank & GET FOODSTAMPS! FACT!
WTF!
THAT is wrong - I could do it, I just "make a living" & NOT 'super-wealthy' here (due to F'ing highest taxes & utilities combined in the USA in NY State afaik, correct me IF I am off here, TIA).
I DO NOT TAKE THAT "AID" as I KNOW it cripples a person & is f'ing CHEATING as far as I am concerned.
Take away a man's NEED to have DRIVE? You "kill" that MAN & make him LESS of a MAN - a potato.
Satisfy his Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" in pain/acceptance thresholds, it happens.
Stops you from SELF- ACTUALIZATION imo (where YOU realize your potential & GIVE BACK TO SOCIETY thru creativity etc. as I am attempting via https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... BECAUSE I CAN & I am after that VERY same PERSONAL GOAL for my own good & yes, the GOOD of others too...)
APK
P.S.=> ... & I don't have $999,000 in the bank either (I still won't STOOP SO LOW as to take a kid's food THAT NEEDS IT if his parents are down on their luck OR BUMS, is why - I could, but I don't - but a LOT OF SCUM WILL - dirty motherfucking bastards)... apk
ANDROID RUK in "What are little girls made of": "THAT was the EQUATION: Survival/existence must CANCEL OUT PROGRAMMING!"
* Programming folks giving us welfare checks to MAKE US INTO LACKADAISICAL DIRT (potatos as I alluded to in my post PARENT to this one https://news.slashdot.org/comm... )
APK
P.S.=> It's just like FAKEBOOK was caught doing basically - a psychological SOCIAL experiment to see how they can "STEER THE CATTLE" right into the Judas GOAT pen for slaughter... apk
See my subject: NOW, we'll find out IF the job #'s are right (a glut of jobs unable to be filled) since a starving person seeks work to eat.
* NECESSITY (the ULTIMATE one, survival) IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION!
(I don't mean to be 'cruel' either but EVERYONE KNOWS there are a LOT of scumbags LEECHING the system (especially off folks like me who are homeowners paying OUTRAGEOUS taxes for welfare as I do in NY State (california MAY rival us) paying for it) - time to "flush them out" & see if jobs get filled creating OTHER taxpayers to help offload us homeowners (since the industrial taxbase was eroded by OFFSHORING scumbag execs for "mo' MONEY" (the root of all evil, especially THEIRS, greedy short-sighted SWINE))).
Hey, look - I KNOW, that in NY State (per a pal of mine who works WELFARE FRAUD since I rent to folks on welfare @ times) IF YOU'RE OUT OF WORK, you can have up to $999,000 in the bank & GET FOODSTAMPS! FACT!
WTF!
THAT is wrong - I could do it, I just "make a living" & NOT 'super-wealthy' here (due to F'ing highest taxes & utilities combined in the USA in NY State afaik, correct me IF I am off here, TIA).
I DO NOT TAKE THAT "AID" as I KNOW it cripples a person & is f'ing CHEATING as far as I am concerned.
Take away a man's NEED to have DRIVE? You "kill" that MAN & make him LESS of a MAN - a potato.
Satisfy his Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" in pain/acceptance thresholds, it happens.
Stops you from SELF- ACTUALIZATION imo (where YOU realize your potential & GIVE BACK TO SOCIETY thru creativity etc. as I am attempting via https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... BECAUSE I CAN & I am after that VERY same PERSONAL GOAL for my own good & yes, the GOOD of others too...)
APK
P.S.=> ... & I don't have $999,000 in the bank either (I still won't STOOP SO LOW as to take a kid's food THAT NEEDS IT if his parents are down on their luck OR BUMS, is why - I could, but I don't - but a LOT OF SCUM WILL - dirty motherfucking bastards)... apk
ANDROID RUK in "What are little girls made of": "THAT was the EQUATION: Survival/existence must CANCEL OUT PROGRAMMING!"
* Programming folks giving us welfare checks to MAKE US INTO LACKADAISICAL DIRT (potatos as I alluded to in my post PARENT to this one https://news.slashdot.org/comm... )
APK
P.S.=> It's just like FAKEBOOK was caught doing basically - a psychological SOCIAL experiment to see how they can "STEER THE CATTLE" right into the Judas GOAT pen for slaughter... apk
I know that sounds harsh, so here's somebody way more articulate than I am to explain why the verbiage is appropriate.
Trump & the GOP are testing us. This isn't about the wall, this about ruling by fiat by continuously threatening the security and stability of the United States. We can't let that stand. If we do we become a defacto dictatorship.
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Last I heard they'll deal if he puts DACA on the table for real (and not just a pinky promise not to deport them for 3 years which is what he just offered).
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Is the FDA shut down? I wonder if this could delay the release & approval of any medical devices or drugs. Now THAT would be a spectacular failure. Imagine the headlines: "Shutdown over border wall funding prevents release of life-saving drug." Or the reverse: what if a device or drug is approved in a rush since they fall behind, and due diligence is not done, and the device/drug kills someone?
When losing the debate, just make shit up I guess. It appears the left is losing the shutdown and starting to realize it.
Pelosi said she will NOT discuss ANYTHING that includes money for the wall, not DACA not anything.
I find it curious you are making up their point of view. Perhaps you are afraid that they are being so stupid you need to come and do damage control for them. To bad you have to lie to do so.
First, it's not clear what it means for an "illegal border crossing" to be "kept open", but more importantly, the Democrats have already offered over a billion dollars to improve border security -- it's the $5.7B for a "wall" or "physical barrier" or "not a wall from sea to shining sea but merely a few improvements" that Trump's requesting that they're disagreeing with.
So Democrats want money for improved detainment facilities, additional judges to address the backlog of cases, and improved technology to provide a "virtual wall" in many locations, along with additional border agents? Hold that thought.
I'd also like to point out that while the scope of Trump's proposed border security "solution" keeps shrinking, the price tag does not. If he needed $5.7B to "build the wall!", then why isn't it considerably cheaper to implement his newly scaled down plan?
First off, it was always a "scaled-down" solution - he never proposed a border-to-border wall fro $5.7BN, he wanted $25BN for a border-to-border wall, to be built over time - you know, the wall Democrats voted for in 2006.
Second, he hasn't budged from $5.7BN because has the scope has been reduced, he's added money for improvements to detention facilities, additional judges to address the backlog, improved technology to monitor the border and additional border agents... But you knew that, right?
Ken
Maybe this is an opportunity to see where we can cut out some of the fat?
You just reminded me of this. TL;DR: the rich under fund the government, loan the gov't the money to operate and collect the interest on it. Then we pay the interest with our tax dollars.
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and the GOP figured they could pin the shutdown on them and tank their polls. It's a cheap political move that shows the GOP will throw America under a bus for their own political goals.
It's also terrorism. I mean, what else do you call it when you're using fear (in this case fear of the economic impacts of a gov't shutdown) to achieve a political end?
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OK: Has anyone here have, you know, actual facts about the proposed wall? (and no CNN and Fox news don't count.)
Cost, Efficiency, maintenance, ways to defeat it, deploy it, etc?
Well now you do.
https://www.hsdl.org/?abstract&did=808155
This is a Masters Theseus by a graduate of the Naval Postgraduate School, Homeland Security. I cant speak for the Homeland Security part, but the Navy part is a bunch of VERY serious people. This is by far the best summation on everything Wall that I've found. The good, bad and ugly.
Read this and then you can Flame with Authority :-)
It's not a compromise if he gets everything he wants,
I see you do not know how compromise works, unsurprising given who you back.
The way it works is, Trump says - "OK, How about in exchange for the wall funding you also get all of these Dreamer extensions you would love?
That is where, the Democrats, were they reasonable humans, would say something like "How about 3 billion more for border security, only some of which may be used for new fencing, and the Dreamer extension you mentioned".
See how that works? Each side proposes what the other gives up, generally in smaller increments until the two sides meet in the middle. You know, like people have been doing since the dawn of time?
But instead., you have Trump saying, "how about this comp..." and the Democrats screaming "NO NO NON ONON NEVER NO".
That indeed is not compromise, but it's the Democrats refusing even to consider offers now... do you want a year long shutdown? Because that's how you get a year long shutdown.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
That is where, the Democrats, were they reasonable humans, would say something like "How about 3 billion more for border security, only some of which may be used for new fencing, and the Dreamer extension you mentioned".
See how that works?
They already tried that. Then Trump said "am I going to get my wall?" and they said "no" and then he walked out. He claims he didn't slap his hands down on the table, they say he did. Did you forget all of this already, or just blink and miss it?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
They didn't NEED a supermajority to pass a simple bill
Yes they did
From the article, on the vote to pass the original Republican plan just before the Democrats took over the house:
That legislation doesnâ(TM)t have the 60 votes needed for passage in the Senate
I think I corrected you before, so doesn't that make you the dumbest person on the planet you cannot learn from corrections?
Just the fact you didn't even know that sets you at a certain questionable base level of civic ignorance.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
They already tried that.
Nope. Link please as to what you think constitutes "trying".
Remember that a compromise ALSO does not mean, that one party gets absolutely nothing.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
It's not about the wall. Giving in will just encourage him and similar political personalities to do it again.
Table-ized A.I.
Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.
Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.
This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):
Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen H
PROVE IT & again: DOES IT MATTER? Turning men into "entitled potatos" in an UNSUSTAINABLE SYSTEM kills them & the nation!
* Who's going to PAY for WELFARE when the middle class has been ERODED AWAY the by "investment class" (crooks) WHO HAVE TAX LOOPHOLES GALORE & bullshit "trickle-down" 'voodoo economics' FAIL there too WHEN NOBODY CAN PAY THE TAX FOR THE FUCKING WELFARE, moron!
Worse than THAT perhaps, is the FACT when you TAKE AWAY A MAN'S HOPE for @ least the POTENTIAL of growth & "being the King" SO you can WIN "The QUEEN" (girl of your dreams, as marrying LESS takes ALL DRIVE OUT OF YOU, for sure... just like a FAT BITCH does, lol - no shit, been there/done that).
AGAIN also to stress it: GOOD women do NOT want a "welfare potato" OR a heroin junkie ENTITLED loser "snowflakian being"!
APK
P.S.=> Your BULLSHIT & MOVING GOALPOSTS falls RIGHT THE FUCK APART - what are you going to TRY to VAINLY tell me next? "HEROIN ADDICTION IS GOOD" too?? LMAO - go away, dolt... apk
Seriously.
Show of hands here.
How many people NOT doing IPOs and just going to their regular jobs every day, day in and day out miss the 800K non-essential employees of the government are not at work, but will be paid for doing nothing anyhow, once the shutdown is over?
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Khazar Talmudic Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Peron, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above.
Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud.
This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):
Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier):
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen H
See my subject: NOW, we'll find out IF the job #'s are right (a glut of jobs unable to be filled) since a starving person seeks work to eat.
* NECESSITY (the ULTIMATE one, survival) IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION!
(I don't mean to be 'cruel' either but EVERYONE KNOWS there are a LOT of scumbags LEECHING the system (especially off folks like me who are homeowners paying OUTRAGEOUS taxes for welfare as I do in NY State (california MAY rival us) paying for it) - time to "flush them out" & see if jobs get filled creating OTHER taxpayers to help offload us homeowners (since the industrial taxbase was eroded by OFFSHORING scumbag execs for "mo' MONEY" (the root of all evil, especially THEIRS, greedy short-sighted SWINE))).
Hey, look - I KNOW, that in NY State (per a pal of mine who works WELFARE FRAUD since I rent to folks on welfare @ times) IF YOU'RE OUT OF WORK, you can have up to $999,000 in the bank & GET FOODSTAMPS! FACT!
WTF!
THAT is wrong - I could do it, I just "make a living" & NOT 'super-wealthy' here (due to F'ing highest taxes & utilities combined in the USA in NY State afaik, correct me IF I am off here, TIA).
I DO NOT TAKE THAT "AID" as I KNOW it cripples a person & is f'ing CHEATING as far as I am concerned.
Take away a man's NEED to have DRIVE? You "kill" that MAN & make him LESS of a MAN - a potato.
Satisfy his Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" in pain/acceptance thresholds, it happens.
Stops you from SELF- ACTUALIZATION imo (where YOU realize your potential & GIVE BACK TO SOCIETY thru creativity etc. as I am attempting via https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... BECAUSE I CAN & I am after that VERY same PERSONAL GOAL for my own good & yes, the GOOD of others too...)
APK
P.S.=> ... & I don't have $999,000 in the bank either (I still won't STOOP SO LOW as to take a kid's food THAT NEEDS IT if his parents are down on their luck OR BUMS, is why - I could, but I don't - but a LOT OF SCUM WILL - dirty motherfucking bastards)... apk
ANDROID RUK in "What are little girls made of": "THAT was the EQUATION: Survival/existence must CANCEL OUT PROGRAMMING!"
* Programming folks giving us welfare checks to MAKE US INTO LACKADAISICAL DIRT (potatos as I alluded to in my post PARENT to this one https://news.slashdot.org/comm... )
APK
P.S.=> It's just like FAKEBOOK was caught doing basically - a psychological SOCIAL experiment to see how they can "STEER THE CATTLE" right into the Judas GOAT pen for slaughter... apk
Significant parts of the border did have walls, fences, etc. erected / fortified during the Bush and Obama years. There was a study on it what would do the most good where for what costs, and a lot of the recommendations were followed thru on.
Looking forward to the shutdown going many months - long enough for the country, business, citizens to stop depending on the federal government for non-essential functions.
And, no you do not have a right to federal grants for your pet research project no matter how many years the handout has been your main income supply.
And, without the federal spending, the country will not 'fall behind' in advancing in field ABC. One cannot measure that federal spending in field ABC will yield advances, so one cannot measure / prove that the lack of federal spending in that field will hurt advancements.
Restate the quotes as 'X jobs in field ABC depend on federal handouts' and you get the real picture.
It's entirely about jobs directly and indirectly tied to federal spending and not about the border wall. Indirectly, its about money going to persons for jobs or handouts which makes it back into the campaign coffers of political parties.
Read & STFU you undereducated (your bs is UNSUSTAINABLE for welfare if middle class = gone) https://news.slashdot.org/comm... DOLT!
* You'd LOVE to see us ALL turned into HEROIN JUNKIES, potatos with NO DRIVE or HOPE/ASPIRATIONS on WELFARE, wouldn't you? That's what IT DOES (I've seen entire GENERATIONS IN A GHETTO NEARBY be VICTIM TO IT).
Additionally, ASSHOLE - I have multiple degrees, 1 in Business/Economics (CS minor) w/ even more degreework in STRAIGHT Comp. Sci. - bring it on FUCK - I'll EAT YOU ALIVE!
APK
P.S.=> Don't TALK about Gov't. SPENDING on DEFENSE (very necessary - minus a BIG STICK, you're WEAK & SHIT, period (violence OR the POTENTIAL for it is BEHIND EVERY LAW - after all what ENFORCES ALL LAWS? THAT or the threat of pain financially (another form of 'violence') & yes, it's UNFORTUNATE men respond BEST to force but it WORKS))... apk
If the wall doesn't work then why are you seething about it? Why not just let it get built? Think of it as a jobs program. It's not like the government doesn't waste billions on other make-work projects right? But for some reason this one really spins Democrats into an absolute rage...strange.
So Democrats want money for improved detainment facilities, additional judges to address the backlog of cases, and improved technology to provide a "virtual wall" in many locations, along with additional border agents? Hold that thought.
I would say Democrats want money for things like single payer and green energy (or big pharma and the entertainment industry, if you're more of a cynic), but it turns out that you're somewhat right -- "sensible immigration reform that keeps America’s promise" is the third point listed on the DNC's page itemizing their self-professed beliefs. Digging a bit deeper about what specific actions that might entail, I find this, but the closest reference to anything you describe may be "strengthening in-country... processing", which is quite a far cry from the explicit points you make. As such, I'm not sure if your claim about what Democrats want money for is entirely accurate. I don't doubt that some Democrats have wanted money for some of these policies in the past, or want money for them presently, and I also wouldn't be surprised if Democrats as a party were willing to support policies like this as part of a broader compromise with Republicans, but you're making a much stronger claim for which there doesn't seem to be sufficient evidence.
First off, it was always a "scaled-down" solution - he never proposed a border-to-border wall fro $5.7BN, he wanted $25BN for a border-to-border wall, to be built over time - you know, the wall Democrats voted for in 2006.
Presumably you're referring to H.R. 6061, 2006's Secure Fence Act, which both parties supported, but which was primarily opposed by Democrats (it's not clear why you'd think it was most accurate to describe this piece of legislation as "the wall Democrats voted for" and not "the wall Republicans voted for", since it enjoyed much greater support on the Republican side of the aisle). Note, the Secure Fence Act only included $1.4B in appropriations funding for the eponymous "Secure Fence" which it authorized, so it's not clear how you can cite the tepid support Democrats offered this earlier legislation (13 years ago, mind you) as evidence of Democrats' willingness to spend larger amounts on border security, whether $5.7B or $25B. At best, it's evidence that Democrats are willing to tolerate a certain nonzero level of spending increases when it comes to border security, which is consistent with what we're seeing today -- Democrats have offered some $1.3B-$1.6B in increased border funding in the last month or so.
Chuuch. Preach. Tabernacle.
Can you:
A) Not read.
B) Not remember what you just read.
Just curious since you seem to be ignoring what actually happened as in the news link I posted, instead just doubling down on your incorrect fantasy world.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Of course they do! There are lives at stake!
That's what a professional negotiator said.
Nobody wants to be the one who could have done something when people died.
After all, he's not doing the work. Fire him. And since when did the USA give in to the demands of terrorists? Ronnie was dead set against it. You aren't.
FYI, Yiddish is basically a High German dialect written with Hebrew letters. The name of the language itself reflects this, being a variation on Jüdisch. It's no more Turkic than you are, APK.
When you claim that if the IPO falls over then its just going to lose banks money, so no problem? The banks were too big to fail before, so they were bailed out. They're even bigger now the republicans have ended dodd-franks.
So tell me again how these banks will lose money, not taxpayers through government payouts...
See my subject: NOW, we'll find out IF the job #'s are right (a glut of jobs unable to be filled) since a starving person seeks work to eat.
* NECESSITY (the ULTIMATE one, survival) IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION!
(I don't mean to be 'cruel' either but EVERYONE KNOWS there are a LOT of scumbags LEECHING the system (especially off folks like me who are homeowners paying OUTRAGEOUS taxes for welfare as I do in NY State (california MAY rival us) paying for it) - time to "flush them out" & see if jobs get filled creating OTHER taxpayers to help offload us homeowners (since the industrial taxbase was eroded by OFFSHORING scumbag execs for "mo' MONEY" (the root of all evil, especially THEIRS, greedy short-sighted SWINE))).
Hey, look - I KNOW, that in NY State (per a pal of mine who works WELFARE FRAUD since I rent to folks on welfare @ times) IF YOU'RE OUT OF WORK, you can have up to $999,000 in the bank & GET FOODSTAMPS! FACT!
WTF!
THAT is wrong - I could do it, I just "make a living" & NOT 'super-wealthy' here (due to F'ing highest taxes & utilities combined in the USA in NY State afaik, correct me IF I am off here, TIA).
I DO NOT TAKE THAT "AID" as I KNOW it cripples a person & is f'ing CHEATING as far as I am concerned.
Take away a man's NEED to have DRIVE? You "kill" that MAN & make him LESS of a MAN - a potato.
Satisfy his Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" in pain/acceptance thresholds, it happens.
Stops you from SELF- ACTUALIZATION imo (where YOU realize your potential & GIVE BACK TO SOCIETY thru creativity etc. as I am attempting via https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... BECAUSE I CAN & I am after that VERY same PERSONAL GOAL for my own good & yes, the GOOD of others too...)
APK
P.S.=> ... & I don't have $999,000 in the bank either (I still won't STOOP SO LOW as to take a kid's food THAT NEEDS IT if his parents are down on their luck OR BUMS, is why - I could, but I don't - but a LOT OF SCUM WILL - dirty motherfucking bastards)... apk
See my subject: NOW, we'll find out IF the job #'s are right (a glut of jobs unable to be filled) since a starving person seeks work to eat.
* NECESSITY (the ULTIMATE one, survival) IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION!
(I don't mean to be 'cruel' either but EVERYONE KNOWS there are a LOT of scumbags LEECHING the system (especially off folks like me who are homeowners paying OUTRAGEOUS taxes for welfare as I do in NY State (california MAY rival us) paying for it) - time to "flush them out" & see if jobs get filled creating OTHER taxpayers to help offload us homeowners (since the industrial taxbase was eroded by OFFSHORING scumbag execs for "mo' MONEY" (the root of all evil, especially THEIRS, greedy short-sighted SWINE))).
Hey, look - I KNOW, that in NY State (per a pal of mine who works WELFARE FRAUD since I rent to folks on welfare @ times) IF YOU'RE OUT OF WORK, you can have up to $999,000 in the bank & GET FOODSTAMPS! FACT!
WTF!
THAT is wrong - I could do it, I just "make a living" & NOT 'super-wealthy' here (due to F'ing highest taxes & utilities combined in the USA in NY State afaik, correct me IF I am off here, TIA).
I DO NOT TAKE THAT "AID" as I KNOW it cripples a person & is f'ing CHEATING as far as I am concerned.
Take away a man's NEED to have DRIVE? You "kill" that MAN & make him LESS of a MAN - a potato.
Satisfy his Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" in pain/acceptance thresholds, it happens.
Stops you from SELF- ACTUALIZATION imo (where YOU realize your potential & GIVE BACK TO SOCIETY thru creativity etc. as I am attempting via https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... BECAUSE I CAN & I am after that VERY same PERSONAL GOAL for my own good & yes, the GOOD of others too...)
LASTLY: HEY YOU UGLY DISGUSTING FATFUCK PSEUDO INTELLECTUAL SCUMBAGE FAKENAME "PopeFATZO": I notice you had to DOWNMOD HIDE last time I posted this & the discussion under you - you're a LOSER & proven STUPID fatboy (Don't like it? Let's do it another way in person "Mr. Martial Artist" MY ASS you FAT ugly PUNK).
APK
P.S.=> ... & I don't have $999,000 in the bank either (I still won't STOOP SO LOW as to take a kid's food THAT NEEDS IT if his parents are down on their luck OR BUMS, is why - I could, but I don't - but a LOT OF SCUM WILL - dirty motherfucking bastards)... apk
Republican Senate refuses to vote on it. Because the GOP leader of that house refuses to let one be made.
So if you REFUSE to blame trump for it, despite it being 100% trump's shutdown, and you don't want to blame the GOP, then you gotta blame Mitch.
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* Programming folks giving us welfare checks to MAKE US INTO LACKADAISICAL DIRT (potatos as I alluded to in my post PARENT to this one https://news.slashdot.org/comm... )
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First of all, it's not $5.7 billion. That's pure Trump Bullshit. Steven Colbert put together an ad-hoc group of experts (which automatically excludes Trump). You know the number they came up with? $2 trillion. Let that sink in for a moment.
Once they build one mile of wall for $5.7 billion, they will be back for more. Again and again, until the $2 trillion is spent. Then you spend even more maintaining the wall because it starts degrading rather quickly. In fact you can never stop spending the maintenance bucks because, should you do so, "well everyone knows you have to save the $2 trillion investment by maintaining it!" In fact, this is also the argument that explodes the wall budget from $5.7 billion to $2 trillion. "Everyone knows that a partial wall is no good, and besides, we've already spent $1 trillion, you don't want to waste $1 trillion do you??"
The wall is like infrastructure drugs. Once you start you can't stop. Therefore, Just Say No To Wall!
Second point. The Republican Party used to be the party of fiscal responsibility. What happened to that party? What happened to that logic? Spending money is now seen by the Republicans like some water fight, just hose the government down with money, it's no big deal. Who cares about flushing away $5.7 billion? After all they wasted all that money on the War in Iraq, what was that, another $1 trillion? It's just taxpayer's money so who cares?
The Republican Party: Tax & Spend Conservatives.
Spending the government coin because it's Other People's Money.
That said, 1/3 is nothing to scoff at and should still be a no-brainer.
That assumes that 1/3rd are incapable of finding a ladder. Or an abrasive cut-off saw. Or a boat.
The "wall" is part of a border control system. Physical barriers must be surveilled and have human pickets available. The successful "walls" (built by Israel, Saudi, and Hungary) are monitored and patrolled. They don't just sit there awaiting circumvention or breaching.
Unfortunately the American public can't understand words longer than four letters so "wall" has taken over the discussion.
If "walls" don't work I must have hallucinated the Berlin Wall when I was stationed in West Germany. Those who want open borders should advocate suitable legislation.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/w...
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
Explain to us why racist jews get kicked nation to nation first and antisemitic would be true IF they had semite blood in them. Ashkenazi do not. Palestinians are more semitic and before it was used in germany (it has some German in it) it is from a Turkic dialect. Ashkenazi jews use it and they have no semitic blood. So much for your antisemite protected class lies! Save your juden science jedi mindtrick lies for stupid people jew.
It is only a $5 billion pet project; hardly worth costing the country more than $5 billion in another manufactured crisis.
Remember the last manufactured crisis to create a hostage situation? Literally kidnapping children and holding them hostage; so how anybody couldn't see that this completely predictable if they were paying attention to his threats to his own party over his wall a year ago-- who didn't give it to him either.
The shutdown began before the Democrats got into office; he had a compromise he rejected multiple times and continues to do so while the SENATE CAN IGNORE TRUMP and pass something if Mitch would allow them to vote. (FYI, Mitch's wife works for Trump; aside from him probably being a stooge, Trump has a hold over him.)
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Don't worry guys, this is all part of the master plan to make America great again.
Where are you getting this $44trillion number from? US GDP is half that.
My apologies, I missed a decimal point.. it's $ 4.4 Trillion... But my "real life" example numbers are still in the correct ratio. $57 vrs $44,000 income.
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I do not understand what the problem is. Has the Government not repealed itself and there is no longer any need to have anything to do with it? If the Government is no longer doing X, then obviously you ought to be doing X for your self and any requirement that you let the Government do X is null and void since the Government has chosen to be incapable of doing it.
My wife and I have been depending on Obamacare subsidies for our healthcare while she takes care of her elderly parents and I take care of mine.
First of all, the new administration demanded a lot of extra paperwork this year to prove that our part-time jobs did not offer healthcare.
Now, after a lot of hassle, we've uploaded our documents -- but now -- there are no federal workers around to approve them and turn the subsides on.
Because of our age, we're now paying ~$2000/mo for heathcare.
We are lucky -- we have savings to cover it and get it back with next year's tax refund.
But, for the folks the subsidy was intended for -- poor low-income workers -- they will be losing their insurance.
A real shutdown wold make government unnecessary and regulations irrelevant because there would be no enforcement mechanism. Therefore a free market would develop to solve any problems that remain. Rather than doing things in an efficient matter a minority fight to control us and do it in the LEAST efficient way (ie via government) possible at the cost and burden to to the rest of us.
Drugs hurting people? Someone would start an review site for drugs. Ohh right, we had that. It was called the Silk Road 1.0. There were even educated scientists and doctors who were going to support it to reduce issues resulting of potentially fake drugs. That is they would test the drugs and report on the authenticity so you wouldn't get some look-alike drug or risk overdosing etc.
It doesn't matter if it costs 10 times our GDP this year. You DO NOT give in to little kids throwing temper tantrums or they'll do it every fucking time for the smallest of reasons. You whoop that ass and put them on the fucking couch staring at nothing useful until they act right. Also, "Not giving in to terrorists" is supposed to be YOUR battlecry. Your god Ronnie Raygun used it judiciously.
trump is acting like a child terrorist. Treat him accordingly.
Tell up Chuckie Schumer & Nancy Stretch Pelosi to FUND THE WALL. Problem solved. But no! They were "against" the wall, after they were FOR the wall.
Maybe if t-dog didn't want illegals working here, HE SHOULD STOP HIRING THEM.
Ya mean, like, McConnel, Ryan, and the boys did when Obama was running things? Hypocrite harder.
Why do you advocate to take away something people have instead of advcating that YOU TOO get a nice pension. This is the problem with conservatives like you (yes the fuck you are regardless of what you claimed 2 posts up). You'd rather pull everyone else into your own mire of shit instead of pulling yourself up out of that mire. Use those bootstraps you guys claim you pull so hard on. Jealousy does not become you.
Don't give in to extortion. If you give in, the bully will take more next time. You have to punch his lights out.
I lost my doctor AND my plan AND I'm certainly NOT saving $2500 per year (all three are violations of specific promises Obama and Schumer and Pelosi made hundreds of times).
My current policy has far higher deductibles, higher co-pays, and the rates nearly tripled after "Obamacare" AKA the Affordable Care Act kicked in.
Apparently, YOU get to work part time and devote the rest of your time to family care while people like me work our butts off AND take care of family AND pay more and more money for less and less. It's one thing to ask for a little needed help. It's a step further to take advantage of a new government handout (of other people's hard-earned money taken from them at gunpoint). But it's a whole step further into mind-boggling selfishness to get mad at other people when something puts a TEMPORARY kink into the system of armed robbery you are benefitting from. It would be nice if people like you who benefit from this theft showed a little more patience for the exasperated people paying the bills when they finally manage to get SOMEBODY (Trump, in this case) willing to stand firm and fight for just ONE THING (border security, which would help limit the number of new people added to the list of recipients of stolen money).
A begger who whines and complains about temporary interruptions in the handouts is just amazingly offensive.
apparently all the parts of government that demand licensing, certification, fees, taxes, etc are still up and running at full force......
it's just the parts that are required to help the citizen or business comply with those other parts that are idled.....
So, it's just the typical governmental evil trick of always closing the things people need and NOT the parts people do not want, as a way to squeeze the population into pressuring their political representatives into knuckling under and doing what the unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats want done. It's not Trump or the congress that has determined what runs and what idles in a shutdown - it's unelected officials who are supposedly "experts" but whom none of us has ever heard the name of (and we've certainly never seen any of their resumes to know if they really are "experts"). This is not just a federal scam; all levels of government do this. When states, cities, or counties have a supposed lack of money, they always close the stuff that will hurt families the most (schools, libraries, parks). Citizens need to wizen-up to how this scam works.
We tried the ballot, now we need some daisy pushing done. ...Although a daisy cutter might work if you get the right diameter target...
Keep calling people you don't like racist. See how that works when nobody believes you when you find a real one.
Trump is sexually attracted to women? Oh lord, impeach him now!
Trump places the good of actual American citizens over the citizens of literally any other country? That's treason!
Meanwhile in the real world, Trump is just doing what he promised he'd do: The will of the American people as determined by his elected status as President. The DNC should never have torpedoed itself by propping up the least electable candidate of all time.
Suicide bombings aren't the sole reason to have a wall. (Domestic bombers can roll their own worn IEDS. )
Preventing guerrilla attacks from the outside is more than ample reason to have picketed barriers. Stopping/slowing enemy infantry is a major reason picketed barriers are used in war, including forward operating bases.
The only reason to object to the wall is if one favors open borders, but most of those objecting are playing the same game Trump is, budget brinksmanship, for political reasons.
All the organs of the body were having a meeting, trying to decide who was the one in charge.
"I should be in charge," said the brain, "Because I run all the body's systems, so without me nothing would happen."
"I should be in charge," said the blood , "because I circulate oxygen all over so without me you'd all waste away."
"I should be in charge," said the stomach , "because I process food and give all of you energy."
"I should be in charge," said the legs , "because I carry the body wherever it needs to go."
"I should be in charge," said the eyes, "Because I allow the body to see where it goes."
"I should be in charge," said the rectum , "Because I'm responsible for waste removal."
All the other body parts laughed at the rectum and insulted him, so in a huff, he shut down tight.
Within a few days, the brain had a terrible headache, the stomach was bloated, the legs got wobbly, the eyes got watery, and the blood was toxic. They all decided that the rectum should be the boss.
The Moral of the story?
The ass hole is usually in charge!
Trumps real goal is to clense the governemt of drift wood. Those in the shutdown can only survive for as long as they have savings. Soon they need to pay their mortgages. So they find work elsewhere. At the end of the shut Trump gets new people into the backbone of the government who are trump apologists.
This is a very dangerous time for your country as well as the rest of the world.
udachny is a sock puppet of roman_mir. the latter uses the former to try to convince more people that the foundational principles of his cult are righteous and sane. they both often post at -1 (and have their postings limited here on slashdot) because they have poor karma scores here as a result of repeated abusive behavior and their consistent religious proselytizing that is seldom on topic with the discussion thread.