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NYPD To Google: Stop Revealing the Location of Police Checkpoints (nypost.com)
schwit1 shares a report from the New York Post: The NYPD is calling on Google to yank a feature from its Waze traffic app that tips off drivers to police checkpoints -- warning it could be considered "criminal conduct," according to a report on Wednesday. The department sent a cease-and-desist letter over the weekend demanding Google disable the crowd-sourced app's function that allows motorists to pinpoint police whereabouts, StreetsBlog reported. "Individuals who post the locations of DWI checkpoints may be engaging in criminal conduct since such actions could be intentional attempts to prevent and/or impair the administration of the DWI laws and other relevant criminal and traffic laws," wrote Acting Deputy Commissioner for Legal Matters Ann Prunty in the letter, according to the website. My $0.02 is that the NYPD loses on first amendment grounds.
Papers, please?
SOTU to NYPD: STFU
About 5-10 years ago, there was a Supreme Court opinion that said people flashing their headlights to indicate a police presence was a 1st amendment right.
It would be a shame if you end up losing your constitutionally dubious DUI checkpoints. Just saying.
Google is literally irrelevant
When did policing in the United States become gestapo-like? I mean, it's always been that way for certain minority groups. I get that. But now it's just across the board, from local cops to staties to border patrol and that deepest of the deep state, ICE (who is actually not under the jurisdiction of any US court, if you can believe that).
It's gotten to the point that anyone who wears a badge is the enemy. Cops in neo-Nazi gangs. Well, maybe not park rangers, but everyone else? Fuck them.
You are welcome on my lawn.
The article talks both of DWI and of other speed and safety traps.
The goal for speed enforcement is (or should be) for drivers to slow traffic down to the speed limit and drive safely. When the alerts show up, that is exactly what drivers do near the checkpoint. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, at least in that zone.
What they should be asking for is inserting extra markers when dangerous conditions are forming, so those app users can reduce traffic speeds before a crash occurs.
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My 0.02$ is if you're in a motorized vehicle, obey the damn traffic laws at all times. Who cares where the police is?
Should the police work to make the roads safer by letting people know "In this area we will be checking you out", making cars drive safer. OR Just arrest people in volume.
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These babies had a whinge about this 4 years ago, they never shut up about it and they never learn better.
Fuck yeah!!!! When we overthrow the fucking government, I'm coming for all your shit!
You are essentially correct.
See this as for why...
https://youtube.com/user/amp3083/videos
Note also that when you voluntary give your money to a company to build the road in front of your house so people and you can come and go, the one in front of your business so you and customers can come and go, between locations to travel easily... no need for electronic passes, private road pirates, and all that bullshit. We you and I want roads, users need them, we'll happily pay for them, give them away, educate and convince others to do so voluntarily, and reap the savings by not having a fakeass government steal and abuse our money. Enough savings to give roads away, for charity, etc.
Don't establish a speed limit.
No victim, no crime.
Someone hits you, then you own their ass until repaid.
That and voluntarily insuring yourself will cover it.
Park rangers, too. Was talking to a retired FAA engineer at dinner about his hijinks with park rangers trampling of rights for inholders. Luckily he was smart enough to stay out of trouble.
From people who are breaking the law by driving over the limit and getting pissy at check points.
check points are not the issue, you driving while intoxicated is!
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
In Italy speed traps are clearly visible for that reason.
Also temporary speed checkpoints shall to be clearly signaled. Otherwise the fine can be invalidated.
On the highways, the police lists weekly the active speed traps on the network (not all active all the time).
You can do that before then... because the police will never respond in time anyway, and both won't find or return my shit.
Not after then, because my gun, and that of my educated thus freed from sheepledom and now active neighbors and friends, will be defending my and our property mutually against your aggression incursion. You have no idea the power of an active neighborhood watch. It would be incredibly unwise to violate the Non Aggression Principle. Because unlike Cops, DA's and Judges who can literally choose to sit back do nothing and watch you be violated... empowered humans will follow Natural Law, and Nature is a Cold Hard Bitch. So don't be stupid.
Me and my army of a thousand robots says your neighborhood watch better not blink sucka!
NYPD should post their own phoney "warnings" about DWI checkpoints to save money.
Contrary to the ridiculous police claims... the Red Light Cameras and Speed Traps are a greedy money grab. Owned by private companies that take most of the cut, at least typically.... these things use a highly dubious process of ticketing people that
involves police accusers signing off on "violations" they haven't actually witnessed.
Thankfully distributed privacy Cryptocurrencies will have naturally starved your Government Robots out by then.
This app also assists Lawful and Non-Impaired drivers in avoiding the inconvenience or uncomfortable situation of happening upon an unexpected checkpoint and possibly becoming subject to some search or test that they wish to avoid.
In other words.... this functionality has lawful and beneficial uses, contrary to what their letter suggests.
Furthermore, the submission, sharing, and dissemination of this information about government activity is speech of a political nature among the types of speech most strongly protected by the 1st Amendment of the US constitution, which the NYC PD is not above.
Go read the first amendment, and then go fuck yourselves. We have every right to tell each other about unwarranted surveillance.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
... if the intention of these checkpoints is to stop people speeding, and the knowledge of them stops people speeding, where is the obstruction?
Unless the intention is actually something else?
Ban folks from pointing out cops and you'll just see a mysterious rise in people marking construction in the same ares those checkpoints are in.
Check and mate.
There's an art to making a good tinfoil hat. You're clearly got your sizing wrong - it's WAY to tight.
In your Utopia what happens when individual neighborhood watch groups inevitably start to join together and establish an organized security body (police force)?
Part of what makes DUI checkpoints legal is NYPD has to announce their presence. From https://www.nyccriminalattorneys.com/nyc-dui-sobriety-checkpoint-lawyers "The police department also needs to provide advance notice of the DUI checkpoint to minimize its intrusiveness and improve deterrence of driving under the influence."
Sure, use your 1st amendment right to say what you want but accept the responsibility that doing so may be costly.
For example, if a police officer is on duty and you swear/cuss at them, you'll likely end up with a fine or two.
Google is free to ignore the cease and desist order but I suspect if they do, they'll wind up in court facing charges of impeding a police investigation/operation or similar. Depends on how creative the police get.
beat the shit out of you, or not?
Some places actually have laws that protect citizens rights. Florida for example police must actually post public notices, generally done online these days when and where a "checkpoint" will be deployed. Basically if you get caught up in a checkpoint in Florida and aren't sober, you are doubly stupid.
Example
https://www.facebook.com/TampaPD/photos/we-will-be-conducting-a-dui-checkpoint-tonight-at-sligh-av-e-and-branch-ave-n-fr/1050250785047120/
https://www.tampagov.net/news/checkpoint-aimed-keeping-roadways-safe-5
There is.
TWO FRIENDS ARE DRIVING HOME after a night on the town. A few miles from their freeway exit, they see a sign that reads “Drug Checkpoint 1 Mile Ahead.” There is nothing to worry about—neither party is carrying contraband and the driver is sober. But their exit is only a few miles away and the weary travelers want to avoid the hassle of a stop. The driver takes the first exit he sees after the sign; much to his surprise, he encounters a drug checkpoint located at the bottom of the off-ramp. The bewildered driver turns to his companion and asks; “Can they do that?” Regardless of whether law enforcement can use such tactics, they have.
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Wouldn't that be in the best interest of everyone? checkpoints are in places where people must behave in a certain way, Google is helping them to do their job, like one of those signs in the road...
Oh! now I get it, they want to entrap people into jail, now I get it, that explains a lot.
Law enforcement want tools that share data and discover people doing all manner of things in public. People want tools that share data and discover law enforcement doing all manner of things in public.
Do you think one can be enabled, and the other is not?
Yeah let's protect other drunks because that's safe. As a motorist, I want under the influence people stopped before they hurt others or themselves. If you have a alcohol problem get some help.
Lately I’ve been struggling to come up with even one example of a situation the police could ever legitimately help me with. Anything they can do would be after an incident has already happened. We’re to the point where police in the US have jumped the shark and this is evidence of it.
They pay the wages of said police.
Knowing where police is, is a deterant for criminal activity also.
Nothing bad about this unless this police likes to entrap people to fill their pockets, thus being more like a mafia than a law institution.
DUI check points need to go back to the Supreme Court. Decades ago they were deemed a necessary limitation to our right to not be detained by the government for absolutely no reason, in the name of public safety (getting drunks off the roads). In the last couple of decades though multiple studies have shown that saturation policing is both cheaper and more effective at stopping drunks rendering that ruling inaccurate
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There shouldn't be any checkpoints. Keep the app up and make more
Amen
Back when speed limits was very low and there was no alternative to drinking and driving majority of the public hated the speed traps and DWI check points. And would be in a mood to support the dodgers because they might need to dodge it themselves at some point.
But now with easy Uber clones and public info campaign, most people avoid drinking and driving. Speed limits have gone up to 70. A very large majority of the the public no longer feel these checkpoints are targeting them, but instead they are targeting the "others", "them speed maniacs, and them drunken drivers". Public support is likely to be with NYPD, whether they win in courts or not. Google has a "win the court lose the people" dilemma in its hand.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Someone hits you, then you own their ass until repaid.
Unless you died in the crash you will own jack shit then
A very large majority of the the WHITE public no longer feel these checkpoints are targeting them
Fixed that for you.
If you post as Anonymous Coward, don't expect a reply.
If people respected stops, red lights (slow down & stops at orange), and speed limits speed trap would NEVER be a problem. The crux is people want to speed and don't care about other or respecting laws. That is why i am waiting impatiently for self driving car and them be mandatory : robot can be enforced on speed limit. Human are simply idiot fucker. And if you wonder about the tone, i respect the goddamn limit stops and light everywhere but regularly one of those "sunday driver" which think they have a right to ignore street law and speed limit nearly hit me. To all those thinking they are above speed law, red light, or stops : fuck you all.
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That's not how this works. The government can not take away the right to free speech. Handing out charges for this is a violation of the first amendment. There is no law being broken, and no law that can prevent them from disclosing the information.
They have every right to publish the checkpoints, just like the NYPD is required to publish the checkpoints. Not everyone reads the websites that have the information on checkpoints, and Google is providing a service to get that information out to more people.
we will communicate with each other about things happening in the public space. fuck you and your attacks on the first amendment!
you also don't realize until you go to court, most times those people have no money and will never pay you.
Guilty until proven innocent -- the exact opposite of what this country supposedly stands for. That's what police checkpoints boil down to: guilty until proven innocent.
I'd like to see the science behind this. And while at it, how many people have been stopped and/or arrested in these checkpoints even though they have actually harmed no one (how much harm do these checkpoints themselves do? That's a much better and investigative story and not just a trendy headline). I may have missed it, but I don't see the checkpoint monies being used exclusively or even primarily for public transportation or healthcare, nor do I see the proponents of these pre-crimes units promoting ride-share and other alternatives to driving. And why aren't they? What's the public service here? And it'll get worse with legalization of other intoxicants - why isn't that money being used for public transport and alternatives to cars? The behavior (intoxication) is as old as humanity, but what's new and dangerous is the car.
Instead of threatening Google, why isn't the NYPD asking Google to dump the traffic data... Then filter out the folk who are regularly speeding along the same route?
In central Ohio, the cops tell the local news stations where the DWI checkpoints are going to be, and when. Then it's on the 6:00 news.
...unless the police don't want you to. Then they'll arrest you too.
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You have not been paying attention.
When you give your money to a company to build the road, they will make sure they own the road.
You will pay for it, though the nose, because they have you over a barrel. But they will own it
And they will charge you extraordinary amounts of money to use it. You and everyone.
Sure, government needs to be watched ( so, why arent we watching ), but corporations need watching too.
The Randian notion that corporate execs are uniformly stalwart pillars of truth, justice and fairness does not seem to apply.
I wish like heck it did, but it dont.
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It is called the 1st Amendment, or Freedom of Speech. Next they will try to make it illegal to film the police in public; wait, they already tried that and it failed.
Hurrah for secret police!
Yay stalinism!
Three cheers for the gestapo!
The fine is not what slows people down. That's after the fact. The *threat* of a fine is what actually slows people down.
Says the NYPD that illegally used Stingrays to track thousands of people's cellphones without warrants.
Speak for yourself.
- Leadfoot White Guy
If they're allowed to get away with this, you can bet it won't be long before they'll be trying once again to make it illegal to video them when they're beating the crap out of somebody.
The police need to be smacked down hard. If you happen to be part of a demographic they don't particularly like, your odds of getting beaten or killed by the cops for no particular reason are higher than your chances of being injured or killed in a terrorist attack.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
You don't get to enforce checkpoints like a tyrannical military apparatus. you have no right to that, nor any reason to think you deserve that power.
This is called reaching too far.
Stop messing with our tax collectors!
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... users will be asked to forgive the development team as they investigate a bug causing pig farms and pop-up doughnut shops to mysteriously appear on the map in the middle of the highway.
Finds NYPD when torturing Google engineers!
Same 1st amaedment principal as flashing lights at oncoming traffic to warn of police presence ahead. Decided by state courts or code section rewritten by legislature while cases were being adjudicated. See Florida case of Ryan Mintner vs Seminole Co Sherriff from 2011 also Wikipedia entry for Headlight Flashing has discussion of NY Appelate court ruling on statues used to ticket âoeflashersâ.
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Ya we got this thing called the 1st amendment. Sorry NYPD, you lose.
No victim, no crime.
Someone hits you, then you own their ass until repaid.
That and voluntarily insuring yourself will cover it.
If nothing else, you sovereign citizen lunatics give me something entertaining to watch on youtube. I love watching your dumb asses blather on about how you're "not driving, you're travelling, and you don't need a license for that!", then get your car window busted out and dragged out of a car while screaming "no victim, no crime." Not sure why, but that amuses me.
Actually on topic... sorry. "Someone hits you, then you own their ass until repaid." So when someone kills my wife/brother/mother/son because they were driving way too fast for conditions and caused an accident I "own them" until they provide me a replacement loved one? I'm not sure if you know, but that's not how things work. Do we incarcerate that person for the rest of their life? Do they owe me some number of millions of dollars? When should I consider myself "repaid"?
Seems to me that a mutual understanding that "this road was designed to handle traffic at 25mph", posting some sort of notice that indicates as such, and paying a couple people to make sure motorists drive within those established guidelines would make a bit more sense.
Just relabel the icons as Donuts or Rum Raisin Donuts. Problem Solved.
Google gives LEO all our data.
Google will find a way.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Many of those checkpoints and speedtraps are about making money for them.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
The is an inherit conflict of interest with municipalities issuing tickets, (And civil forfeiture), and gaining the revenue from those tickets/forfeitures.
If you want to know where the RIDE programs are being set up, just listen to the radio. The media will tell you where the DWI traps are set up. It's been this way since long before smartphones.
As someone with a degree in economics, I can assure you that "everything should be private" is not a good idea. Even without studying this stuff for years, you should have realized this just by examining the catastrophe we have created with private for-profit prisons.
Every 'checkpoint' I've ever went through I either get minimal question/scan and waive through, with the exception of that one time I didn't realize that the US-CA custom stop was completely optional years ago. Poor old guy was so bored he kept me for 20 minutes shooting the breeze.
Seriously though, if it's DUI or 'missing person', at least it's not arbitrary revenue generation. They could easily mobilize on the side and arterial roads. Slow the workaround down and people go through the main search.
Now, incentivizing stops by having a "pit-crew" that cleans your windows, tops off your wiper fluid and inflates any under-inflated tires and we've got a plan!
I know a guy in his 60s-70s whose dad (who was at the time a deputy sheriff!) had to leave in the middle of the night out of Missouri(?) on threat of death because the local sheriff he'd been working under turned out to be corrupt, and in no uncertain terms had told him what would happen to his family if it was ever brought up again.
The dad never worked as law enforcement again and moved all the way to California to get away from redneck southern assholes like that and ended up making a tidy living driving public transport and restoring old cars (which was just becoming a thing in the 40s-50s or so.) A few of his cars even made it into Jay Leno's collection after a few other owners, at least one of which he'd driven as a kid.
Well, either slow down or else pay much better attention. Every time I've gotten a speeding ticket, it wasn't really because I was speeding. I speed all the time but haven't gotten a ticket in over a decade now. The reason I got tickets, was because I wasn't on my game and paying sufficient attention to detect the cop (and slow down).
If I see him in time and demonstrate that I saw him by slowing down, I've passed the test, so no ticket for me. I'm not the problem that society is trying to solve by having and occasionally enforcing speed limits.
If I fail the test by not reacting, gimme my ticket because I could have just as easily killed someone. I should have been watching the road ahead more carefully instead of daydreaming or whatever fuckwitted thing I was doing. I am the problem and tickets are a solution.
Of course, this isn't really the law. But it's how things actually work.
As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
Prior restraint much?
Nothing happens, and that's ok because
- they are literally run by and composed of and given explicit direction by and even paid by and beholden to and morally congruent with... the very same voluntary communities of people that live in the respective land areas. TOTALLY UNLIKE todays pigs who drive tens of miles in for work to avoid residing in the chaos and hatred they create, whose MASTERS are filthy rich and far away and give NOT ONE SHIT about you, who harass and fuck with you every day because that environment of complete unaccountability and separate employment lets them, etc.
- they are all now... by your kind work in your own communities... educated and active voluntaryists... quite simply, their thinking is now different and better, and violating the Non-Agression Principle would be morally distasteful to them, they'd devolunteer for the job.
Educate yourself, then educate them, become free peoples together...
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Impaired drivers have killed and permanently injured many innocent people: fathers, mothers, children. Friends of mine have been seriously injured by drunk drivers.
The response to this should be widespread public shaming of Google until they terminate it.
FALSE.
Government Built and Owned roads are unilateral 51% (actually 1%, youtube "the tiny dot") FORCE over you, they make the RULES, you COMPLY, or they MURDER you, if you try to defend yourself against their THEFT and IMPRISONMENT, for having done NOTHING to ANYONE.
CORPORATE Built roads can be Owned by whoever is specified in the contract.... the Corp, the public, whoever, or no one at all. Since you're initiating and paying for the road, yourself directly, you have complete voluntary moral control over the terms. Your best course of action is educate everyone on their desire for good roads, their use of them, and them voluntarily paying for them so they can drive freely upon them, becomes a complete and total non issue.... roads will simply happen.
Enlightenment of Voluntaryism is the magic that makes it all happen.
Unlike Government force theft and murder.
Enlighten yourself.
I am going to remain silent. I want to see a lawyer.
I do not consent to this search.
Am I being detained? Am I free to go?
Am I under arrest? What are the charges?
"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Waze/Google maps doesn't go far enough. Time for people to start posting the locations of cop scum going through people's bags at subway stations, too. Eff security theater and the thugs in blue who enforce it.
You seem like a VERY REASONABLE fella...
That's ok, because you're dead.
Your family can attach to their property and body if they want.
Or you and your family can take them in as your own, or simply FORGIVE the accident, or even the malfeasance.
Voluntaryism works that way.
Unlike the State that will fuck you over at all costs for even the non crime of "jaywalking".
Be a motherfucking Jay :)
This matters NOT ONE SINGLE BIT because....
a) You should of course always be choosing to insure yourself appropriately against such chances that always exist in any system... Force Theft and Murder of Statism, or Voluntaryism.
b) Under Statism, the State doesn't force those people to get sufficient jobs to pay you either, they just lock them up, or free them on welfare. And the State won't pay you out of their stolen coffers either.
At least under Voluntaryism you will always be able to work something out directly with those who transgress against you.
The State usurps all that, and it's quite disgusting, immoral, (and even non Christian model, if you're religious that is.)
If the government pays for something then gives ownership to a corporation, that's the government's fault not the corporations. Of course, Rand would never have had the government paying the corporations to build the road. She would have had the corporations do it with their own money.
There shouldn't be any government roads and nobody should be 'giving money to a company to build the road'.
A need would generate enough demand that would allow a company to issue bonds across the local population to build the road, there would be a private contract for such a road. This road would serve a purpose, it wouldn't be there for political reasons, it would be there for economic reasons, and if it is there for economic reasons then there is competition for such a resource and there is private ownership and thus private stewartship of a road.
A government can spend unlimited money on infrustructure that doesn't do anything, doesn't do anything useful, provides only a reason to steal tax money and to gain political advantage.
A company will spend when there is a profit motive and the people decide whether there should be a profit motive in building any type of infrastructure. Corporate execs are *irrelevant*, whether they are pillars of anything is irrelevant, the only meaningful question is this: is there a need that can genereate profit and if there is a need, does it cover the expense so that the return on the investment would make sense.
Things should be built where they are necessary, not because there is a way to steal and spend everybody's money.
OMFG, you Libertarians are hilarious. You don't like taxes, but are willing to pay for every road to be a toll road. What if the road is not maintained? What are you going to do about it? Complain to the company? They are making more money by not maintaining the road, why should they care what you think? What if they jack up the tolls? What are you going to do, not drive to work? You gonna sue them? LOL
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
Trapster was a crowd-sourced app that showed the location of traffic cameras and speed traps before Waze came along. They also listed police checkpoints, until they were buffaloed into removing that feature. Apple refused to allow apps that revealed the location of police checkpoints in their App Store. (Another downside to allowing corporate control over your device via a "walled garden".)
Deterrence is the whole point of having speed traps and police check points... which is completely in-line with people being made aware of them.
Speed traps and check points have NOTHING to do with deterrence. They generate revenue, plain and simple. And perhaps prevention in the case of DWI checkpoints.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
A, "Note also that when you voluntary give your money to a company to build the road..."
Where did the government come in? "You" and "company" were mentioned...
B, "Rand would never have had the government paying the corporations to build the road"
Rand would have the company do it with their own money, sure.
But, look at what corp execs do with networking infrastructure.
They dont serve certain areas, then they introduce laws to prevent those areas from handling the problem themselves.
They work very hard to make sure that they can bill both their direct client, and bill others for access to their direct client ( never mind they would not have a service to sell if it were not for those "others" ).
My point was that corporations are not the heroes very often.
If you give any entity, government or corporation, or person too much control and not enough oversight, you will be screwed.
Note, I do not believe there is anything wrong with earning a profit.
Even a large profit. Just dont be a psychopath about it.
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Where did the government come in? "You" and "company" were mentioned...
I interpreted "you" to mean "the people" as in "the citizens paying taxes." I did so because of the context established by the statement "When you give your money to a company to build the road, they will make sure they own the road." You also later say "government needs to be watched" and reference Rand who talks about government.
I figured you were referring to how building networking infrastructure kinda works. You and I pay taxes, government has telecoms build infrastructure, then telecoms treat it like they own it since they have an exclusive contract with the state.
Just dont be a psychopath about it.
To your original point, we have to watch them because they may well be psychopaths.
Now I want someone to write a parallel story in the world of "Atlas Shrugged" from the perspective of one of the other railroad operators or from the other steel manufacturing company. The ones that want the regulations limiting the speed of rail cars and how much of the special metal each railroad could use.
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Long story short it's a symptom of Tough on Crime Laws and police militarization that's created an "Us vs Them" mentality. The Drug War hurts a lot too since a large percentage of folks smoke pot or know someone who does and that means you're always scared shitless when a cops around since they can arrest you and take your stuff.
The solution's easy: Stop Voting for Tough on Crime politicians, end the Drug war and stop civil asset forfeiture (which was created for the Drug War anyway). There's a few other odds and ends we can do (California has an anti-speed trap law, and properly funding your police so they're not dependent on civil asset forfeiture is a good start) too.
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for lots of folks. Eventually self driving cars will take over. It's going to be interesting to see what happens when traffic violations of all sorts just go away.
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Back when speed limits was very low and there was no alternative to drinking and driving [...]
Wait, wut? Did you seriously just claim there was no alternative to drunk driving?
I found out the hard way when I was 19 in the early 90s.
A friend and I were driving to meet a couple of friends, and we lived in a small rural area. It was night, and a car came up behind me pretty quickly. It was a 55 mph speed limit, and I was going about 50, being in no hurry. I kind of edged to the right thinking he would pass... he didn't. He stayed right on my ass. I slowed down, and he stayed right on me getting VERY close. We were kind of in the middle of nowhere, and I couldn't even tell what kind of car it was or who was in it. We got a little nervous (lots of drunken crazy rednecks in the area) so I sped up to put some distance between us. BOOM, on went the cherries. It was a local state trooper, and I got a ticket for speeding. I asked him why he didn't pass me, and he said he stayed on me to see what I would do.
A friend of our family worked in the local courthouse, and told us later that he was a notorious asshole for doing things like this. There was also mention that I got caught at the end of the month, when he would be ensuring his quotas were met. I think my dad called the local PD, but since he was a state cop they couldn't do anything about it.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
"I interpreted "you" to mean "the people" as in "the citizens paying taxes.""
Fair enough, I can see that, but that is not what I was thinking then.
On psychopaths, yes, we need to watch all areas, govt and corp.
On regulations, this is why I believe that corporations should not be allowed to participate in politics, message or money wise.
And why I think that donation limits are a good idea.
Policy in a democracy should be set on the basis of what the whole electorate wants ( hopefully, they are smart/informed/invested enough ), not just what a few who wield some power want.
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It is NOT illegal in any way, in any state, or even in D.C. to tell others where any police check point or speed tap is located.
Acting Deputy Commissioner for Legal Matters Ann Prunty is talking out her ass and should be Leaded by We The People ASAP.
If i have a dollar in assets and you have a million, you should pay a million times as much as I do taxes, because your assets are backed a million times as much by the full faith and credit of the US. Also, you benefit a million times as much from the army defending thr borders.
Note I said assets, not just income.
Go ahead and move those goal posts now.
Stop putting your checkpoints in public places where people can report on their presence.
What IS it with the radical anti-government types CAPITALIZING random words all OVER the PLACE? Seems to be part of a general style for a certain type of commenter, wonder where it originates from.
You're amused because you have a different definition of crime than they do and you don't understand what you're looking at.
We should have different words for:
what is "a crime that harms people directly" (e.g. theft, murder)
what is "a crime that harms people indirectly" (e.g. littering in a public park)
what is "a crime with no victim" (e.g. speeding, jaywalking, staying out past curfew -- assuming it did not result in an accident or disrupt traffic etc.).
Because these are different in important ways.
My county sheriff posts the dates and locations of their checkpoints on Nextdoor. But, he's not trying to collect revenue - he's trying to discourage drunk driving.
Do you have ESP?
Currency is the property of those issuing it or ordering its creation. In other words, the government. Because it is property of the government, theft would be failure to return when requested (i.e., taxes). You libertarians are a bad joke.
Orange man Bad !!!!!
An unmaintained road is a great opportunity for profit. Cut big, unavoidable holes at both ends of a residential street (call them unfinished roadwork). When the residents get sick of it and move somewhere else, buy all the property at bargain basement prices. Fix the road, and sell the houses on at a huge markup. Rinse and repeat.
Two men claimed to have walked into a bar. Only one had the bruises to prove it.
Speed limits are still artificially low. The rest of your post is equally stupid and wrong.
That sort of behaviour is finable in the Land of Oz.
Radar detectors, flashing headlights to warn oncoming traffic of police presence, etc
Go well
They've already agreed to comply with authorized governments. This is just another example.
I am fairly certain that it is posted in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused bathroom with a sign on the door that says "Beware of the Leopard."
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The courts placed strict restrictions on DUI/DWI checkpoints.Many states also added additional restrictions. I'd be willing to bet that a study done on compliant checkpoints would show that almost every one of these checkpoints is non-compliant with the state and court mandated rules and thus illegal.
Report Hazard -> On Shoulder -> Animals -> Pigs.
Can the Police put fake Police markers on Waze maps and claim 1st amendment? It's not like they're endegering anybody by doing so, and otherwise lying is protected speech too.
"Everybody's naked underneath" -- The Doctor
There has always been alternatives to driving drunk and there has always been taxis. Uber didn't change anything, it just made it cool to call a taxi for a group of society that has cell phones.
Most drunk driving isn't on the highway, so your speed increase argument isn't valid to this discussion. Police don't setup stop-and-go checkpoints on highways.
Assuming you believe what you wrote, people like you bring society down a notch. Please learn to be more mature instead of simply following the peer pressure of it not being cool to drive drunk anymore. Once that swings back again, you'll resume drunk driving.
Here, and in every similar article, I always read everyone complaining about checkpoints and speed traps everywhere. They say the highway patrol hides on every downhill and tickets for coasting 5 MPH over the limit. Is this really as common as people are making it sound? Is it only particular states that operate this way?
I've been driving in northern California for 20 years. I've never used any sort of radar detector or checkpoint avoidance strategy. I've yet to encounter a DUI checkpoint. I've routinely driven a bit above the speed limit, and only been ticketed once -- by a non-hidden CHP officer on a level stretch of road while I was going 16 MPH over the limit and thus clearly earned it.
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Since when is saying something that's true when you haven't signed any kind of gag agreement against the law?
I can appreciate that the police don't like it, but calling it criminal is WAAAY out of line.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Unfortunately due to the existence of rich people becoming richer they will own all the roads and implement their own private rules for you to follow. Probably drive safely is one of those laws. Also they could outright ban you from using their roads.
All hail the absolute road monarchs?
What has the Government ever done for us?
It's disgusting to imagine there are people who actually think that way.
udachny is a sock puppet of roman_mir. the latter uses the former to try to convince more people that the foundational principles of his cult are righteous and sane. they both often post at -1 (and have their postings limited here on slashdot) because they have poor karma scores here as a result of repeated abusive behavior and their consistent religious proselytizing that is seldom on topic with the discussion thread..
They might as well say...
In case anyone thought police checkpoints (especially traffic control) was about safety, this is the ultimate argument as to why it isn't the case.
You're amused because you have a different definition of crime than they do and you don't understand what you're looking at.
It's the irony that amuses me. I see a bunch of idiots driving on a road built by the government claiming the government does not have authority over them.
"A crime with no victim" is a poor argument. By that logic it should be perfectly legal to shoot a rifle in the air indiscriminately in a populated area, as long as no one gets hit. You want to shoot a rifle indiscriminately, or speed in a car, do it on your own private property, not where my family is.
The police deserve NO respect when they behave the way they all too often do.
In the town where I live they do NOTHING to enforce the local noise ordinance but they hand out speeding tickets like candy.
When I get close to leaving town I am going to leave the fuckers a token of my esteem. Modesty forbids me from saying more than that.
Some people flash their headlights to warn drivers about nearby police presence.