Until the price of gas stays at 4-10 dollars per gallon, for a long time, and/or until you can "fill them up" in 2-3 minutes, as you can with a gasoline vehicle, and/or the range can be extended for 300-400 miles per cycle, and/or the price comes down to a comparable gasoline vehicle.
Oh, you mean the "electric cars must be all things to all people, because reasons" canard. No one says a Prius is pointless because it can't tow 12,000 lbs, and no one says a one ton pickup is pointless because it doesn't have a 15 passenger capacity.
If electric cars don't meet your needs....then don't freaking buy one. Doesn't mean they wont be plenty useful for other people.
Are the first Tesla owners becoming millionaires at the expense of newcomers? If not, it looks like you're throwing around some Big Word you've heard without actually knowing what it means.
So, wait, is opposing unlimited immigration racist Trumphitlerism, or rational self interest today?
Both.
Slashdot groupthink seems very confused on this one.
No. You're throwing two extraordinarily different issues into the same boat, because they both involve the word "immigration".
1) Latinos. And yes, bitching about them is engaging in classic rationalized racism: (asterisks to appease the Lameness filter which isn't smart enough to recognize a quote)
You start out in 1954 by saying, "N****, n****, n****." By 1968 you can't say "n****"-that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states' rights, and all that stuff, and you're getting so abstract. Now, you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites..."We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N****, n****."
Only instead if "n****" (or "spic" in this case), the go to abstraction is "illegal immigrant". Aside from the irony of the descendants of white imperialist invaders calling the descendants of native inhabitants illegitimate, is this little thing called the Monroe Doctrine.
There isn't a single South American country that hasn't been fucked over, hard, by the United States. Over and over and over again. If the U.S. has bankrupted Jorge's family farm with NAFTA, murdered Miguel's parents with CIA-backed death squads, and kept Maya locked up in prison for dissent in a U.S.-backed dictatorship - the least you can do is let the poor bastards come over here and work at a gas station. Real justice would involve trillions in restitution, as well as deporting everyone from CIA flunkies to former Secretaries of State to face trial.
2) H1-B. On this one, it's the people calling "racism" to opposition to the policy who are full of shit. The visa program's only purpose is to increase the size of the labor pool to decrease labor costs for the benefit of corporations. Many Asians should get a green card on the spot and an easy path to citizenship for the same reason as Latinos (U.S. murdered 3 million in Vietnam, backed another brutal dictatorship in Indonesia) but H1-B is all about temporary visas, not bringing workers (and their families) over to become citizens.
And the unions haven't been cooperative either before so it allowed them to be shunned by most parties - even employees.
Then you've spent decades ignoring news stories on unions accepting pay and benefit cuts to keep their jobs. You also don't see unions giving themselves 300% raises and stock options in the face of declining profits, the way you do with the executive class.
Have American IT workers ever joined together, and successfully stood up to planned replacements with H-1Bs, forcing the company to change their mind and keep the American employees?
No, because too many of them grew up reading Atlas Wanked and have adopted pro-capitalist and anti-worker attitudes. Even if it means cutting off their own noses to spite their faces, all to benefit a club they will never get into.
Yes, IT people could become longshoremen except that for the most part we are no good at beating people up.
Right. Just like if you open your own business, it means you'd have to sexually harass your secretary while embezzling funds and dumping toxic waste in the river.
How would a union save the whole department being outsourced?
By wrecking the corporate trick of forcing their workers to train their replacements if they want severance pay. Yes, the company can say "fuck you, you're all fired" but that's going to make for lost business and lost time as they scramble to train new employees from scratch.
Sure, Google had bigger ambitions than were obvious at the time - but Apple's hubris and their sense that they're entitled to 'own' a whole category just because they got there first
Hatorade Distortion Field. As the parent poster pointed out:
I think Google looked at what Apple was going to do (Schmidt was on their board)
It's one thing when another company gets into the same field you are in. It's another thing entirely when the other company's CEO is on your board, and their design suddenly switches from being a Blackberry clone to being an iPhone clone. Except Google didn't repeat Microsoft's mistake when Redmond ripped off Quicktime, Apple's code included.
despite their high-priced approach not serving the bulk of the market
More Hatorade. An iPhone doesn't cost you any more than an equivalent Android phone. What Apple doesn't do is make cheap pieces of crap to compete in the cutthroat low-end market. It's the reason why they're the only company to really make money selling phones, aside from Samsung - who shot themselves in both feet with their exploding batteries.
That he would be called one would earn the mouth-breather a well-earned verbal beatdown. The man was the opposite of a fascist. Infuriating.
Uh huh. Unless he was like a modern Democrat, who claims to oppose things like criminal banks, bullshit wars and illegal spying, yet love politicians like Obama and Hillary that adore illegal spying, bullshit wars and criminal banks.
It doesn't matter what you say you support. It matters what you actually support at the end of the day that matters.
You simply did a necessary job and proved you could understand the need to put the welfare of your fellow wo/men over your own.
More like a simply unnecessary job, one that subjected you to systemic indoctrination and peer pressure. Like the poor shlubs who got drafted into Vietnam, and were placed in the position of gunning down innocent villagers minding their own business and watching their friends in the platoon get shot by snipers.
But yeah, giving voting rights only to people who spend 2 years in a totalitarian (by design) organization under all kinds of pressure surely would produce the greatest democracy ever. After all, when a putsch happens military always establishes a perfect democracy with respect of human rights.
Sort of like our current system, where the only people who don't have to worry about a lifetime of poverty from paying student loans over medical school are:
1) Children of 1%ers to whom a couple hundred thousand dollars is gambling money
2) Poor schlubs who volunteer for the military - and make it into military medical school
Would love to see a movie that was very true to the book, though I think a lot of liberals heads would explode at the concept of service meaning picking up a gun and standing between danger and society.
To which the liberal would say:
1) No American has died to defend American soil since the war of 1812
2) Your gun nuts with their dick extenders are part of the problem. Not the solution.
Disinformation by ambiguity only works when your military commanders don't brag about what they did on social media, when they are not identifiable by name and picture easily, when they don't chat about the shot down plane and the rocket launcher over wiretapped mobile phones, and when the launcher isn't filmed and photographed all the way from and to the launch site and all the way back to Russia.
Yes, evidence from social media. Not a drone, spy plane or satellite, which you know the U.S. had pointed at the area. If you felt some discomfort while regurgitating those talking points, it was probably a side affect of your bullshit detector being ruthlessly suppressed.
And there's the Russian troll. How's St. Petersburg? The weather getting chilly over there?
There's no lack of self-awareness like an American Exceptionalist accusing people of foolishly buying Russia propaganda. When you're sucking down supertanker-loads of third grade bullshit brought to you by the same people who said Saddam had ties to Al Queda and WMD's. People who questioned that propaganda were also accused of being Saddam lovers. SSDD.
They bragged about shooting down a "Ukrainian" plane, even posted videos of themselves celebrating the act. Their joyous phone calls and postings on social media were also recorded.
Yes. Social media, not verified images from a drone, surveillance plane or satellite. Which the U.S. would have in spades, as much as it was wanting an excuse to boost troop levels in Eastern Europe to the highest levels they've been since WWII, and expand NATO to Ukraine after successfully overthrowing the elected government.
But we're all friends here, so I'd like to tell you about this great oceanfront property in Kansas that I'm selling to American Exceptionalists at a discount rate. It even comes with wifi, so you can spend your days online calling people naive for not believing every word that comes out of the military industrial complex.
Yes. Zero. What you call "evidence" is a hack investigation set out to prove a pre-determined outcome, backed up not by satellite or drone footage, but.....pictures posted on social media.
I mean the taxpayers, maron. All of them. It was our cars, that got torched by these assholes.
Actually, it was their own junk cars. Moron. And as is invariably the case, this was a police riot. It's not the protestors out there with unlicensed attack dogs, snipers and mine-resistent vehicles.
Why do you hate White people?
Why so willfully obtuse? If there's no problem with the pipeline and no risk of leaks contaminating the watershed, prove it by putting it back upstream of the capital.
Aside from the bulldozed graveyard and violated treaties. So, you were blathering? If there's no problem with the pipeline, route it north of the state capital.
Since the United Kingdom EC referendum of 1975 was also non-binding, the UK didn't technically even require 1% of the vote to enter the EU in the first place. Just like the UK could technically decide to leave the EU with only 1% on the vote if the government so chose. In both cases the referendum was only meant to gauge public support, not legally force the legislature to do anything. In the case of joining the EU, the vote was 67% in favor (a super majority). To leave, it was only 52%.
You just restated my point with more words.
It's as much of a farce as Democrats saying Hillary only needs 50.001% of the vote to win, but Trump must get 60% to become president, because reasons.
No one says this.
Because even Hillbots are bright enough not to try and play "a simple majority for me, a supermajority for thee".
The reaction would be pretty much the same as we have with the present situation:
Yes, same as present situation, where Leave is being smeared with petty bullshit 18 ways till Sunday, only far, far, far, far moreso because they lost but refused to admit it.
and a government running around like headless chickens in search of a viable plan.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The only headless chickens are are the sore loser Remainers using fleets of supertankers to bring FUD into port. The UK was fine before the EU, and it will be fine once again after it leaves. Norway is peaceful, prosperous, and EU-free, so roll up a big fatty and calm yourselves down.
your hypothetical situation is not comparable at all
Hardly. The losing side doesn't want to accept the fact that they lost the election, so they want another vote. On Tuesday, whichever candidate loses, should Trump or Hillary get a second vote because you didn't like the result?
Consider the politicians advocating to Remain had/have actual plans for how to proceed
Well, I suppose Smear #2456, no one in Leave has any idea WTF to do, is a nice change from Smear #1345, they're all racists, or Smear #2034, the Leave voters were too stupid to know what they were voting to leave, based on nutpicking. As if you couldn't round up a hundred Americans and find some surprised to find out Obama's mom is white. But back to #2456 - the UK would go back to being completely independent of the EU, free to negotiate its own trade deals and prosper - like Norway. Not a hard concept.
Then there's the fact that the same sort of FUD can be thrown in the face of Remainers. OMG what's your plan if the Troika forces the UK into a situation like Greece? OMG what if the EU forces the UK to give up it's nuclear weapons? OMG what if they force the UK to accept the lions share of refugees from a war the people of the UK opposed? OMG OMG OMG OMG
Wait, you're linking to a "Hillary says she's innocent" piece and treating it credibly? Nixon said he wasn't a crook, so he must not have done anything with that Watergate fiasco.
All these 'low level flunkie sent to prison for the same thing' anecdotes that people trot out to compare to clinton... most of their fates were sealed because they confessed to committing a crime when they were questioned.
No. Their fates were sealed by mishandling classified evidence, which we know for a fact Hillary did as SOS, over and over and over and over again. Intent doesn't matter, the story presented by your defense attorney doesn't matter. All the government has to prove in court is that you were responsible for classified information, and you mishandled it.
If Hillary Clinton were Hillary Johnson, a low level official at the State Department that set up an unsecured, unauthorized server and proceeded to send top secret materials through it - she might get released from prison before she died behind bars of old age.
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Oh, you mean the "electric cars must be all things to all people, because reasons" canard. No one says a Prius is pointless because it can't tow 12,000 lbs, and no one says a one ton pickup is pointless because it doesn't have a 15 passenger capacity.
If electric cars don't meet your needs....then don't freaking buy one. Doesn't mean they wont be plenty useful for other people.
Are the first Tesla owners becoming millionaires at the expense of newcomers? If not, it looks like you're throwing around some Big Word you've heard without actually knowing what it means.
Weak sauce, Fandroid. Get some coffee and try again, but do know anyone can play the "our stuff had your new feature X years ago" game.
Both.
No. You're throwing two extraordinarily different issues into the same boat, because they both involve the word "immigration".
1) Latinos. And yes, bitching about them is engaging in classic rationalized racism: (asterisks to appease the Lameness filter which isn't smart enough to recognize a quote)
Only instead if "n****" (or "spic" in this case), the go to abstraction is "illegal immigrant". Aside from the irony of the descendants of white imperialist invaders calling the descendants of native inhabitants illegitimate, is this little thing called the Monroe Doctrine.
There isn't a single South American country that hasn't been fucked over, hard, by the United States. Over and over and over again. If the U.S. has bankrupted Jorge's family farm with NAFTA, murdered Miguel's parents with CIA-backed death squads, and kept Maya locked up in prison for dissent in a U.S.-backed dictatorship - the least you can do is let the poor bastards come over here and work at a gas station. Real justice would involve trillions in restitution, as well as deporting everyone from CIA flunkies to former Secretaries of State to face trial.
2) H1-B. On this one, it's the people calling "racism" to opposition to the policy who are full of shit. The visa program's only purpose is to increase the size of the labor pool to decrease labor costs for the benefit of corporations. Many Asians should get a green card on the spot and an easy path to citizenship for the same reason as Latinos (U.S. murdered 3 million in Vietnam, backed another brutal dictatorship in Indonesia) but H1-B is all about temporary visas, not bringing workers (and their families) over to become citizens.
Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
Yes, because you can kneel down and pray at your alter to Ayn Rand, and materialize an equivalent job through sheer force of will.
Then you've spent decades ignoring news stories on unions accepting pay and benefit cuts to keep their jobs. You also don't see unions giving themselves 300% raises and stock options in the face of declining profits, the way you do with the executive class.
No, because too many of them grew up reading Atlas Wanked and have adopted pro-capitalist and anti-worker attitudes. Even if it means cutting off their own noses to spite their faces, all to benefit a club they will never get into.
Right. Just like if you open your own business, it means you'd have to sexually harass your secretary while embezzling funds and dumping toxic waste in the river.
It will be a lower tally than the number of red herrings in your post.
Right, because blue collar workers forced Wal-Mart to lobby for NAFTA and ruthlessly cut costs to increase their corporate profits.
Or something.
By wrecking the corporate trick of forcing their workers to train their replacements if they want severance pay. Yes, the company can say "fuck you, you're all fired" but that's going to make for lost business and lost time as they scramble to train new employees from scratch.
Hatorade Distortion Field. As the parent poster pointed out:
It's one thing when another company gets into the same field you are in. It's another thing entirely when the other company's CEO is on your board, and their design suddenly switches from being a Blackberry clone to being an iPhone clone. Except Google didn't repeat Microsoft's mistake when Redmond ripped off Quicktime, Apple's code included.
More Hatorade. An iPhone doesn't cost you any more than an equivalent Android phone. What Apple doesn't do is make cheap pieces of crap to compete in the cutthroat low-end market. It's the reason why they're the only company to really make money selling phones, aside from Samsung - who shot themselves in both feet with their exploding batteries.
Uh huh. Unless he was like a modern Democrat, who claims to oppose things like criminal banks, bullshit wars and illegal spying, yet love politicians like Obama and Hillary that adore illegal spying, bullshit wars and criminal banks.
It doesn't matter what you say you support. It matters what you actually support at the end of the day that matters.
More like a simply unnecessary job, one that subjected you to systemic indoctrination and peer pressure. Like the poor shlubs who got drafted into Vietnam, and were placed in the position of gunning down innocent villagers minding their own business and watching their friends in the platoon get shot by snipers.
Sort of like our current system, where the only people who don't have to worry about a lifetime of poverty from paying student loans over medical school are:
1) Children of 1%ers to whom a couple hundred thousand dollars is gambling money
2) Poor schlubs who volunteer for the military - and make it into military medical school
To which the liberal would say:
1) No American has died to defend American soil since the war of 1812
2) Your gun nuts with their dick extenders are part of the problem. Not the solution.
Yes, evidence from social media. Not a drone, spy plane or satellite, which you know the U.S. had pointed at the area. If you felt some discomfort while regurgitating those talking points, it was probably a side affect of your bullshit detector being ruthlessly suppressed.
There's no lack of self-awareness like an American Exceptionalist accusing people of foolishly buying Russia propaganda. When you're sucking down supertanker-loads of third grade bullshit brought to you by the same people who said Saddam had ties to Al Queda and WMD's. People who questioned that propaganda were also accused of being Saddam lovers. SSDD.
Yes. Social media, not verified images from a drone, surveillance plane or satellite. Which the U.S. would have in spades, as much as it was wanting an excuse to boost troop levels in Eastern Europe to the highest levels they've been since WWII, and expand NATO to Ukraine after successfully overthrowing the elected government.
But we're all friends here, so I'd like to tell you about this great oceanfront property in Kansas that I'm selling to American Exceptionalists at a discount rate. It even comes with wifi, so you can spend your days online calling people naive for not believing every word that comes out of the military industrial complex.
Yes. Zero. What you call "evidence" is a hack investigation set out to prove a pre-determined outcome, backed up not by satellite or drone footage, but.....pictures posted on social media.
Actually, it was their own junk cars. Moron. And as is invariably the case, this was a police riot. It's not the protestors out there with unlicensed attack dogs, snipers and mine-resistent vehicles.
Why so willfully obtuse? If there's no problem with the pipeline and no risk of leaks contaminating the watershed, prove it by putting it back upstream of the capital.
Aside from the bulldozed graveyard and violated treaties. So, you were blathering? If there's no problem with the pipeline, route it north of the state capital.
You just restated my point with more words.
Because even Hillbots are bright enough not to try and play "a simple majority for me, a supermajority for thee".
Yes, same as present situation, where Leave is being smeared with petty bullshit 18 ways till Sunday, only far, far, far, far moreso because they lost but refused to admit it.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The only headless chickens are are the sore loser Remainers using fleets of supertankers to bring FUD into port. The UK was fine before the EU, and it will be fine once again after it leaves. Norway is peaceful, prosperous, and EU-free, so roll up a big fatty and calm yourselves down.
Hardly. The losing side doesn't want to accept the fact that they lost the election, so they want another vote. On Tuesday, whichever candidate loses, should Trump or Hillary get a second vote because you didn't like the result?
Well, I suppose Smear #2456, no one in Leave has any idea WTF to do, is a nice change from Smear #1345, they're all racists, or Smear #2034, the Leave voters were too stupid to know what they were voting to leave, based on nutpicking. As if you couldn't round up a hundred Americans and find some surprised to find out Obama's mom is white. But back to #2456 - the UK would go back to being completely independent of the EU, free to negotiate its own trade deals and prosper - like Norway. Not a hard concept.
Then there's the fact that the same sort of FUD can be thrown in the face of Remainers. OMG what's your plan if the Troika forces the UK into a situation like Greece? OMG what if the EU forces the UK to give up it's nuclear weapons? OMG what if they force the UK to accept the lions share of refugees from a war the people of the UK opposed? OMG OMG OMG OMG
Wait, you're linking to a "Hillary says she's innocent" piece and treating it credibly? Nixon said he wasn't a crook, so he must not have done anything with that Watergate fiasco.
No. Their fates were sealed by mishandling classified evidence, which we know for a fact Hillary did as SOS, over and over and over and over again. Intent doesn't matter, the story presented by your defense attorney doesn't matter. All the government has to prove in court is that you were responsible for classified information, and you mishandled it.
If Hillary Clinton were Hillary Johnson, a low level official at the State Department that set up an unsecured, unauthorized server and proceeded to send top secret materials through it - she might get released from prison before she died behind bars of old age.