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Newly Published WikiLeaks Emails Show Clinton Campaign Communicated With State Department (go.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from ABC News: A State Department official appeared to coordinate with Hillary Clinton's nascent presidential campaign hours before the former secretary of state's exclusive use of private emails was first detailed in a news account last year, newly released hacked emails show. Emails from the files of Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta show that the department official provided Clinton aides with the agency's official response to a New York Times reporter in advance of the newspaper's March 2015 report that Clinton had used a private email account to conduct all of her work-related business as secretary. The stolen emails were released Wednesday by WikiLeaks, part of a massive trove of emails released by the document-leaking group on a daily basis since last month. WikiLeaks has indicated it intends to leak emails stolen from Podesta's account every day through the election. In a March 1, 2015 email, State Department press aide Lauren Hickey told Clinton's spokesman Nick Merrill and two other advisers that then-State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki had "just cleared" a reply to the Times. Hickey provided the agency's response to the Clinton aides and also appeared to agree to a change requested by the campaign, saying: "Yes on your point re records -- done below." It is not clear what specific change was requested and made. State Department spokesman John Kirby said Wednesday that the department would not comment on alleged leaked documents. But he said the department's effort to "provide accurate information to the media" about Clinton's tenure at the agency has "at times required communicating with her representatives to ensure accuracy."

454 comments

  1. No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We didn't need another leak to let us know how corrupt the Clintons are.

    1. Re:No Shit by unixisc · · Score: 5, Informative

      True, but it does serve as proof to reinforce something that Democrat Deniers keep asserting as untrue

    2. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter. It's just like Bill Clinton told Hillary! : Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?

      They just deny it, blame it on the vast right wing/KGB conspiracy. Plus electing a former President's wife is so historical! The kind of history that corrupt third world countries routinely make but whatever.

    3. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Today's WL revelation about DOJ coordination ("heads up") with the Clinton machine is more concerning.

    4. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's a man who rapes children

      What proof do you have for this? The Jane Doe case was originally thrown out for being improperly filed. It was then refiled in another state by an IP lawyer who had spoken to his client once via Skype. Todays planned press conference was cancelled.

      Bill Clinton is documented to have flown on Epstein's private jet more frequently than Trump and there's plenty of rumors about Hillary taking that flight too.

    5. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      That bogus rape accusation against Trump was a smear job by Norm Lubow, a known instigator and agitator who used to work for the Jerry Springer show. No doubt one of the mentally ill people that the DNC has hired to do their dirty work.

      Almost everything the DNC and Clintons have been accusing their opposition of, they are guilty of themselves:

      Colluding with a foreign nation against the interests of America (Saudi Arabia/Qatar)
      Lying
      Warmongering
      Money Laundering
      Rape
      and if the current rumblings from the NYPD are true: Paedophilia

      It's the most raging case of projection I've ever witnessed.

    6. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They have corrupted some very critical portions of the government. The DOJ, the State Dept., some members of the senate, the house, and perhaps even the POTUS. Given the chance, they will also poison the SCOTUS and stack the deck even further in their favor.

      These people are scum and traitors who need to be dragged out into the light and charged for their crimes.

    7. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? That Trump is a Russian operative?

    8. Re:No Shit by sgtsquid · · Score: 0

      Thank you for helping us Correct The Record!

    9. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please. They're the most investigated family in history, and nothing has ever been found. Podesta's links to Russia mean nothing.

    10. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? That Trump is a Russian operative?

      Absolutely! The Russians also infiltrated Hillarys brain and convinced her to set up a private email server. Podesta's too - the Russians convinced him to set his password to 'p@ssw0rd'. Yep, it was the Russians and not the fact that Podesta is an @ssh0le and accessory to murder.

      The Russians also duplicated state department emails from Huma Abedin onto Carlos Danger's laptop. Yep, the Russians...

      There is no precedent for a guy that makes weird sounds and posts provocative tweets having a chance of becoming POTUS. The other side has to be so completely unelectable as to win it for them. With the help of the Russians no doubt?

    11. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He may have more ties to Russia, but rump's are more concerning.

    12. Re:No Shit by Xenographic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > There's a man who rapes children and there's a woman who had people run a private mail server for her.

      The rape thing is so ridiculous that even Jezebel doesn't buy it, let alone others. Suggested reading from people who are definitely not in favor of Trump:

      http://jezebel.com/the-source-...
      https://popehat.com/2016/10/31...

      The "email server" thing goes way deeper than you realize. There have been far too many things in there for me to summarize. I suggest here as a starting place to look into this, but /r/wikileaks has been analyzing it continuously: http://www.mostdamagingwikilea...

      The prosecution of this is weird as hell. Here's Congress trying to understand the FBI's initial lack of prosecution due to "lack of intent" -
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      And finally, of all the child rapist claims, the one we're best able to substantiate is Bill Clinton's flights on the "Lolita Express" with a convicted pedophile (Epstein) without the Secret Service present. Now there's no proof of what he did and didn't do and a lot of people, including hundreds of famous people, were on that same flight with the same guy, including Trump on one occasion long before his pedophilia was publicly known. So it's kinda ironic that you're more worried about a sham lawsuit based on anonymous witnesses by an ex-Jerry Springer producer known for starting wild lawsuits that went nowhere who hates Trump.

      There was also the Todd & Claire scam against Julian Assange recently as well and that's been pretty well proven to be utter BS. The whole site was fake, the UN "partnership" was nonsense (you just have to claim to agree to certain principles) and got revoked, the entire site was completely fake and made with ripped off, mirrored images (to avoid reverse image search--you can see backwards text in some) and all around sketchy as hell.

      FWIW, I'm not terribly inclined to believe any of these, but if I had to put money on one panning out, I'd say there's some low chance of Clinton's trips with Epstein being real dirt. He has a lot of ties with them and the Clinton Foundation, though I haven't seen any clear evidence tying them to his pedo ways just yet. Yes, FBI Anon has been right in the past, but we should demand more proof before believing something like this about anyone.

    13. Re:No Shit by Fragnet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I may lose the election what shall I do? I know, I'll accuse Trump of being a pedo".

      Yea, that'll work. Speaking of rapists, who the fuck is that stupid bitch married to again? Bill Clinton? You stupid fuck.

    14. Re:No Shit by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The email thing has been examined in great detail over many years and come to nothing. A mistake, certainly, but no criminal prosecution and no these latest leaks are just more fluff, people suddenly shocked that people in politics know each other and don't erect firewalls the moment Clinton stopped being Secretary of State.

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    15. Re:No Shit by Xenographic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, yes, but that's because they handed out immunity to everyone involved in destroying evidence, did not convene a grand jury, and let the one person they had all the evidence for wrongdoing on off the hook because she "lacked intent." A standard that does not exist in the statute, when there are plenty of false exculpatory statements that can be used to establish intent and a pervasive scheme that lasted for years that also demonstrates intent. The only thing left is the Obama pardon, though I think that will only come if Trump wins.

      But yeah, nothing to see here, just Hillary cheating again, like on the debate, or when inciting violence or when shafting Bernie (and blaming said violence on him...).

    16. Re:No Shit by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      How did Hilary cheat during the debate?

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    17. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Clintons sold missile secrets to PRC which ultimately caused a nuclear arms race in South Asia, for a $1.2 million donation to DNC by Bernard Schwartz. Failed Loral/ Hughes satellite launch contracts needed intervention by Ron Brown / commerce department to lobby State for declassifying so tech could be transferred to china, to get successful launches. And yes he died in a plane crash before testifying.

    18. Re:No Shit by reboot246 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      She used an earpiece to listen to her handlers. It's not been proven, but it is fairly apparent to anyone who watches and listens to her answers.

    19. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      She was given some of the questions before the debate. It's all over mainstream media. CNN fires one of their own for doing it.

    20. Re:No Shit by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most serious politicians commit their policies and talking points to memory, and then prepare extensively for these debates. You are basically saying that Trump's lack of preparation, poor memory and off-the-cuff style makes her professionalism seem suspicious to you.

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    21. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Rape
      can you elaborate ?

    22. Re:No Shit by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Informative

      You miss the part where Donna Brazile was the person who fed Clinton at least two questions, right down to the information on the person who was going to be asking the question? Guess so. It's only been all over the media for the last week, and only picked up steam after CNN canned her and the boss of CNN publicly came out to blast her.

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    23. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Bill Clinton had to pay about 800 000 usd to one of his raped victim by court order.

    24. Re:No Shit by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      AmiMoJo, why do you keep posting on subjects that you are so completely ignorant on?

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    25. Re:No Shit by rfengr · · Score: 1

      The issue is deleting the emails to cover up her her activity, not to mention smashing the phones.

    26. Re:No Shit by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      How is Bill Clinton going to be put into a position where he can put Hiliary in jail?

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      P= W/t
      t=Money
      Money = Work/Knowledge so the less you know the more you make
    27. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hilarious to see a Republican citing Jezebel. I thought they were totally evil scum... until they agree with you, hmmm?

    28. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill only raped a few children. Why do you hate Bill so much?

    29. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does that work? It's easy enough to claim conspiracy 100 times as it is to claim once.

    30. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's the exact point. If something so clearly biased admits it's BS, then....

    31. Re:No Shit by phlinn · · Score: 1

      Well, when trying to persuade someone so biased that they automatically dismiss any sources that aren't already nominally on their side, it's helpful to cite a source that they would usually trust. That doesn't make Jezebel good, just useful in this instance.

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    32. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By your reasoning, her "professionalism" consists of having someone feed her the politically expedient answers that she didn't "prepare extensively" for, and didn't "commit [her] policies and talking points to memory". While Trump was speaking his mind. Admittedly, his "mind" is also a trainwreck, but at least its his mind speaking, not a team of analysts attempting to feed people what they think people want Hillary to say.

    33. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just want to know which one is responsible for fookin XML mate.

    34. Re:No Shit by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > There's a man who rapes children and there's a woman who had people run a private mail server for her.

      I agree that probably went too far, I'd say: "There's a man who brags about sexual assault, waffled on the KKK, insults large groups of people he's trying to lead, takes unnecessary risks and losses often in business, uses charity donations to buy huge expensive murals of himself, breaks campaign precedent with secrecy over tax returns, and there's a woman who had people run a private mail server for her."

      Mark troll if you want, it's all still true.

    35. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but:
      1) she's still leading in the /. poll.
      2) I'm still voting for her

    36. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of triggered fans here...

    37. Re:No Shit by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      For the nth time, Bill Clinton isn't running for President.

    38. Re:No Shit by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      The Shill is strong in this one.

    39. Re: No Shit by the_bard17 · · Score: 2

      No, but the woman who consistently stands by his side and defends him is. It shows her (lack of) character.

    40. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All child molesters regardless of political affiliation need to burn!

    41. Re: No Shit by D00MSlayer · · Score: 0

      She was given a few questions, but they weren't the exact questions that were asked, but nonetheless were on the same subject. It's highly probable that she was already prepping for those subjects, because c'mon, it's Hillary Clinton. We've seen the e-mails where they frame a potential subject in a negative light to come up with positive answers. If she wasn't given those question subjects in advance she still would have killed it.

      But keep it up. You Trump shills are on a roll.

    42. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it was really down to her being so professional, then why would CNN see fit to get rid of her? "How dare you support someone's professionalism! Leave!". No, I don't think so.

    43. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of rapists, when was the last time you let your rape victims out of your basement? Never? You sick fuck.

    44. Re:No Shit by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Epstein is an enigma. You have to wonder about all these high profile people jetting off to shady islands and compounds. Surely not all of them were horrible people that just wanted to rape little kids. I mean, I don't care for Trump or slick Willie, but I have a hard time imagining that they'd stoop that low. So what else was going on there? The fact that Trump *and* the Clintons were all buddy buddy with the guy is sure strange.

    45. Re:No Shit by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      and if the current rumblings from the NYPD are true: Paedophilia

      What is that? It seems a little ridiculous.

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    46. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My understanding is that some of those women were underage (~17), but were not "little girls".

    47. Re:No Shit by ABEND · · Score: 1

      Politicians are people who specialize in politics. We are choosing someone to be the chief executive of the U.S. Government. That is a very different skill set from being a politician. It's unfortunate that our voting system allows political parties to dominate elections but, they do, and that is why we usually have a politician sitting in the chief executive's seat. Our first chief executive, George Washington, was not a politician. In fact, he despised politics. He much preferred being a general which, though akin to being a chief executive, is yet another skill set.

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    48. Re: No Shit by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      What are your opinions of Melania Trump, then? She consistently stands by Donald's side and defends him despite there being 10+ cases of sexual harrasment/assault piling up against him, as well as his own admittance of groping and fondling women without qualm because of him being famous.

    49. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Fox news had the questions in advance, you can bet it would have been leaked to Trump faster than you can spit. But they wouldn't can anybody. For them that would be business as usual.

    50. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop it or I'm gonna throw a whole deck of woman cards at you.

    51. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, the republican pubes are getting desperate. Another boring email leak with thousands of thousands of boring emails and a few fake ones inserted just like pepper flakes tossed in a soup to make it interesting. Besides, what's wrong with a private email server. I used to run my own for years and no one ever question my motives.

    52. Re:No Shit by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Yep, it was the Russians and not the fact that Podesta is an @ssh0le and accessory to murder. [thegatewaypundit.com]

      Hahahahaa... this is the funniest, most ridiculous thing I've read all week.

    53. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. The /. poll is completely and utterly irrelevant.
      2. That you're willing to vote for a candidate who is totally corrupt, patently dishonest, and utterly devoid of any redeeming qualities makes you no better than the legions of idiot Trump supporters you hate so much.

      But hey, thanks for being yet another example of why this country is going down the toilet.

    54. Re:No Shit by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > woman who had people run a private mail server for her.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Not buying it. I've seen all of your points but they're mostly nonsense and half of them apply to her as well ("deplorables").

    55. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She got fed the questions in advance

    56. Re:No Shit by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Actually it was more than just Donna. And they cheated against Bernie, too.

      But yeah, good summary.

    57. Re:No Shit by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      You (hopefully) weren't trying to avoid federal record retention laws and hide illegal activities.
      You (hopefully) weren't destroying emails while under subpoena.
      You (hopefully) did not lie to Congress about it.

      Which is a good thing, because you (hopefully) aren't above the law like certain others.

    58. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Colluding with a foreign nation against the interests of America (Russia)
      Lying
      Warmongering
      Money Laundering

       
      ...and here I thought you were listing Trump's planned policies!

    59. Re: No Shit by the_bard17 · · Score: 1

      Don't think much of her (or Trump), either. Don't assume that because I think little of one, I think more of the other.

      My fear is that someone will end up winning this election.

    60. Re:No Shit by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      How do you define corruption? Is it selling you phony shares, is it swindling you out of money? Is it getting people to do crime?
      Ok, so maybe we should also look at the time these emails were sent. And we should look at determining if the official server was functioning.

      Want to bet the messages were sent at very end of day, after meetings with other politicians.

      What has Donald done, except to point out everyone elses faults He is by far, free from fault, Leave aside the sex scandals. He is still a racist, a divisor, (split consensus, and then conquer)

      I feel bad for all the Republicans who are supporting him, They will be shafted. Pfssst, as the air is let out of their bag, and they just become memories.

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    61. Re: No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to assume that you weren't using your private server to transmit classified material either.

    62. Re:No Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a man who rapes children and there's a woman who had people run a private mail server for her. We are sitting in an IT discussion site where the majority probably have run a private mail server at some time and even so, the majority opinion is that the child rapist should be put in the position where he can imprison the person who had a mail server.

      Please explain to me why I shouldn't think all approvals have gone crazy?

      And the most sensible comment gets modded as Flamebait. smh. You know, Slashdot became a bastion of libertarian paranoia so gradually, I didn't even notice.

    63. Re:No Shit by starX · · Score: 1

      I think one of the major problems in IT is "professional" IT people. What we really need to do is drain the swamp. Get rid of all these experts with their alphabet soup acronyms... MSCNE? CSM? LINUX? It's all BS, believe me. What we're gonna do, is we're gonna get rid of the sys admin establishment and give the Internets back to the common folks. Believe me, folks, we're gonna make the Internet so winning, you'll be tired of all the winning. Once Crooked Linus and Dopey Tim are out of the picture, we're gonna have some real innovation. We don't need the people who "know what they're doing." You, and me, we can all make IT great again!

    64. Re:No Shit by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      The kind of history that corrupt third world countries routinely make

      Or segregation-era Deep South states with term limits for governors.

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    65. Re:No Shit by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      If Fox news had the questions in advance, you can bet it would have been leaked to Trump faster than you can spit. But they wouldn't can anybody. For them that would be business as usual.

      Nice on there CTR shill. Can't face the fact that she cheated, but attempt to turn it around to "but THEY'D do it too..." which is conjecture, and shit conjecture at that. Especially out of the 3 debates, they were the only network that went equally after Hillary and Trump.

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    66. Re: No Shit by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      And that's fine. I'm just ensuring there's consistency, and not hypocrisy, because a lot of people I hear that argument from don't even consider Trump's situation and Melania's reaction, as it mirrors what the Clintons when through in the 90's when Bill ran for president.

      Also, we may have opinions about what a couple does in their relationship, but they made their own decisions, and we have to respect their decision, because it's theirs and not ours. We only know their public relationship, not the private side.

  2. Leftism as usual by alternative_right · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    They promise equality, deliver an oligarchy of media, government and business elites.

    Everyone but them ends up poor.

    The society descends into third-world status.

    Maybe, just maybe, we should stop basing politics on feelings/desires and focus on what works.

    But then we would be Rightist.

    1. Re:Leftism as usual by Fwipp · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Wow, turns out the alt-right doesn't like "leftists." What a helpful comment.

    2. Re:Leftism as usual by youngone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe, just maybe, we should stop basing politics on feelings/desires and focus on what works. But then we would be Rightist.

      Not necessarily, Sweden works pretty well and I'm not sure many Americans would call them rightists.

      I live in a Western country friendly to the US. The Governing party here is pretty right-wing by our standards, but would be considered dangerously communist in the US.

    3. Re:Leftism as usual by unixisc · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The 'alt-right' people ain't the only ones who have problems w/ Leftists

    4. Re:Leftism as usual by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Please name one right wing government that currently exists that works for the people. Just one.

    5. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Name any government that does.

      Governments are not for the people. Money are for the people in charge of the government.

    6. Re:Leftism as usual by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      Singapore.

      Keeps his people on their toes by not coddling them with welfare.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    7. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fair point, and with any luck come January when the god-emperor is sworn in as POTUS... any criticisms of him or his policies can be dismissed as bigotry against or first orange-american president.

    8. Re:Leftism as usual by rmdingler · · Score: 2

      Please name one right wing government that currently exists that works for the people. Just one.

      For values of people:

      Some number of people benefit from every government's activities, although it is not necessarily a majority of them.

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    9. Re:Leftism as usual by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      Switzerland. Right leaning. Of course, it's also a constitutionally restricted Federal Government, which is what the US was supposed to have...

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    10. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Sweden is turning into a 3rd world shithole with all the massive immigration and rape has skyrocketed and nonreporting in the media is strong about it. Hell, I believe they even literally whitewash perps (in photoshop) but that may be another european country.

      The Sweden you know won't be around in another 20 years.

    11. Re:Leftism as usual by Kohath · · Score: 1

      People will always say this stuff, regardless of whether it's true. It may or may not be true here -- probably not because "dangerously communist" is absurdly hyperbolic -- but it's completely unsubstantiated by fact or argument.

    12. Re:Leftism as usual by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The 'alt-right' people ain't the only ones who have problems w/ Leftists

      The term 'alt-right' is ambiguous right now. Is alt-right a bunch of fringe internet whackos? Or is it the 1/3rd or so of America who's on the right, but feels entirely disenfranchised by the GOP (to the point that voting for Trump seems the best alternative)?

      'Alt-right' means different (if overlapping) groups depending on who you talk to, and how much they live on the internet.

      There's a fairly large crowd that has a problem with "Leftists", but I would say "yes, and that's the alt-right - which is now more mainstream than the GOP".

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    13. Re:Leftism as usual by mukinrestak · · Score: 1

      Hey, I'm not bigoted against his skin color, but against the soon to be first-toupee. That man should just shave his damn head. He'd look less ridiculous.

    14. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in the US, most political positions are package deals. If you're for universal healthcare, you're also for amnesty and vice versa. God forbid we accept one and reject the other.

      This is why Trump is pretty important. He's rejecting certain traditional positions and accepting others.

    15. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately it's being undermined by Islam and self-hating European elites. I hope it can withstand and reverse the damage.

    16. Re:Leftism as usual by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Guess you have never been to Singapore. Next.

    17. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Politicians with these open borders policies need to be investigated for ties to Saudi Arabia. There's something very wrong going on here, and if there's a Huma Abedin in a position of influence in other Western countries, this is an act of war that demands retaliation.

    18. Re:Leftism as usual by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      I've noticed that it seems to carry over into the candidates most people are absolutely for one candidate or another.

      There does not seem to be any well I'm voting for candidate A because I most agree with them even though I like candidate B's policies on "insert controversial issues here"

      Here the response is almost always similar to this I'm voting for candidate A because candidate B will destroy our country and ALL of candidate B's policies are bad.

      It seems like people are picking single issues to base their vote on and then making the rest of their opinions match the candidate because I can't believe that nearly everyone can agree or disagree on ALL points with either candidate like they so claim.

      I hate a lot of the current candidates policies I like some of them but not one closely reflects my views. This is the best we could do?

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    19. Re:Leftism as usual by ABEND · · Score: 2

      1. What country do you live in?

      2. What do you mean by "right-wing?"

      3. If Sweden is so good why do they have so many fewer immigrants than the U.S.?

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    20. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hyperbolic? perhaps you meant oxymoronic?

    21. Re:Leftism as usual by Bartles · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hmm. Sweden. Low federal and corporate income taxes. No estate tax. Liberal and free trade policy. A lot of the reforms they have instituted in the last several decades have paid huge dividends. Maybe we should try to emulate them more.

    22. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I'm in a pretty strong Bernie/Hillary bubble. Nearly everyone I know is voting for Hillary. I've never heard someone speak in favor of Hillary's foreign policy, only that Trump is so clearly incompetent that he would manage to do even worse.

    23. Re:Leftism as usual by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 2

      Please name one left wing government that currently exists that works for the people. Just one. Heck, name ANY government that EVER existed that works for the people. The USA constitution was set up based on the inherent greed of the people in government. It put the different groups/branches/etc against each other in order to keep that lust for power in balance. Hopefully that power craving would be enhanced by serving the people/states interests, thus getting more votes from family units (and later individuals) and states. As a constitutional republic it stumbled along, not without problems--but arguably better than other models then or now. Unfortunately it wasn't set up for a party-based system, and ultimately the lust of power by the party unit overcame the checks/balances of the branches. Hence the Party protects its own (HRC is only the most visible example) to the detriment of the country as a whole. The USA is lurching towards a one party system that bypasses the constitution--and "works" for that party. Any "for the people" is accidental--and probably only a mirage. Oh., well, we kept a constitutional republic for 200+ years....Sorry, Ben.

    24. Re:Leftism as usual by markdavis · · Score: 1

      And all of that might work in a tiny, insulated country of like-minded people with minute immigration, lack of having to defend themselves, and without certain Constitutionally protected rights.

      I get so tired of hearing people try to compare small European countries to the USA as if they are something we could just emulate or should even aspire to become. Our problems tend to be far, far more complex and expensive.

      1) Get real
      2) No thanks

    25. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Socialist policies work very well for extremely homogeneous societies. Big whoop. Guess what America ain't?

    26. Re:Leftism as usual by markdavis · · Score: 2

      >"I hate a lot of the current candidates policies I like some of them but not one closely reflects my views. This is the best we could do?"

      With a first-past-the-poll voting system and the electoral college, yes, that is the best we can do. It has been in the making for a long time. The only way to get real choice is to get rid of the EC and institute SOME type of instant runoff voting. Alas, it will likely never happen at this point. So we are trapped.

      http://fairvote.org/

    27. Re: Leftism as usual by Bartles · · Score: 1

      I think you mistake my position. I'm saying it's the free market and liberal (not progressive) reforms that have made Sweden what it is today. Not socialism.

    28. Re:Leftism as usual by kenh · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hmm. Sweden. Low federal and corporate income taxes.

      You and I have differnet definitions of the term "low":

      Sweden's "low" income taxes: no taxes on first 413,200 SEK ($46,376US), 20% tax up to 591,600 SEK ($66,399US), and 25% tax on all income above 591,600 SEK ($66,399US)

      Sweden's "low" investment tax is 30%

      Sweden's "low" corporate taxes are 22%

      Source: https://sweden.se/society/why-...

      SEK to US Dollar conversion tool: http://www.likeforex.com/curre...

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    29. Re: Leftism as usual by markdavis · · Score: 1

      OK, I probably jumped a bit too quickly. But I think you know what I mean when I say there are just so many postings about how wonderful this or that country is in Europe and how just doing XXXX here would solve all our problems. And those suggestions really do tend to be overwhelmingly "left".

      (I do so hate the terms "left" and "right" as if all positions can be defined by them on a single line spectrum... it is beyond silly and doesn't match reality at all. It would be like defining a plane as traveling either left or right while completely ignoring elevation, speed, attitude, and location.)

    30. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree that even most people likes 100% of what their candidate does, and oppose 100% of what the opponent does (though this is more likely) but all we ever talk about are the pro's of our candidate and the cons of the opponent. That's human nature.

      I for one will freely admit that hillary is a turd sandwich and trump is a douche, and from a policy standpoint both have a lot to not like and only a few things to like. However... I do have my single issue that is causing me to vote for the turd sandwich. The douche may avoid talking about how he's going to affect gay rights but they will, negatively, unless somehow enough people stop congress and the douche from doing so. An outcome I think we are close to, but not quite there yet.

      So turd sandwich it is, because I'd like to get married someday and it be valid anywhere in the country I may (be required to) travel to.

    31. Re:Leftism as usual by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      The alt-right is whatever the left defines it as.

      Actually, the term "alt-right" comes from ... the alt-right. It is a term of self-identification, not something imposed by "the left".

    32. Re:Leftism as usual by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      No I know they don't believe 100% (or at least I hope they don't) but they say they do.

      IME its pretty much impossible to find two people that don't disagree on something.

      Being able to say that you don't actually like either choice but you're still going to vote for one of them and not pretending that there isn't anything you like about the candidate you hate (or vice versa) puts you in a very very small minority here.

      i'm intentionally not naming any candidate names because that tends to convert the conversation from a logical one to an emotional one and I would prefer to have a conversation than an argument.

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    33. Re: Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sweden went from a utopia to having the 17th highest rape rate in the world.

      You're a fucking moron.

    34. Re:Leftism as usual by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      I agree, and would even suggest people should push for this at local (state) levels without even requiring a U.S. constitutional amendment by having states choose their electors by instant run-off. I suggested this to my state representative and he basically laughed me off.... why would the party in power vote something like that in?

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    35. Re:Leftism as usual by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      I'm out here in oklahoma and there are a large number of people saying they are voting for trump, they aren't voting this year, they are voting for gary johnson (oklahoma does not allow write in's) or are voting for hilary.
      In order of most to least common in my area.

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    36. Re:Leftism as usual by gfxguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I notice how people from many of the most homogeneous countries like to point fingers at the U.S. and talk about how racist we are, and how evil the people who want to stop illegal immigration can only be racist, despite the fact that this country takes on more legal immigrants than any other country in the world.... and you don't here people complaining about the legal immigrants.

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    37. Re:Leftism as usual by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      IMO? If they are as they believe the candidate the people want it won't matter and they should do it because its in their constituents best interest.

      If I did talk to any of them I'd have to mention how much I hate daylight savings time while I was there.

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    38. Re:Leftism as usual by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      American Cap gains rate: 15%

      American Corp tax rate 35%

      Effective tax rate for corporate investors = 1 - ((1-CapGains)*(1-CorpTax))

      Swedish effective tax to corporate investors: 45.4%

      American effective tax to corporate investors: 44.75%

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    39. Re:Leftism as usual by Bartles · · Score: 0

      The term may come from the alt-right, but like I said they are defined by the left.

    40. Re: Leftism as usual by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Agreed. People who use Sweden as a shining example of successful Socialism generally are regurgitating propaganda that has no basis in reality.

    41. Re:Leftism as usual by Boronx · · Score: 1

      The left only just recently learned about the alt right. The only reason the left i.e. regular people, get to define alt-right is that there are so many more of them.

    42. Re:Leftism as usual by Boronx · · Score: 0

      If people were able to override their feelings, Trump wouldn't get a single vote except from the Nazi crowd.

    43. Re:Leftism as usual by shanen · · Score: 1

      Only one of the insightful comments that seemed remotely worthy of the mod. Another sad data point about the current state of Slashdot, though I suppose the lack of "funny" posts is intrinsically sadder? Not even a glimmer of wit on this target-rich topic?

      Anyway, what I was looking for was any discussion of the credibility of the data from WikiLeaks. After looking at the so-called "insightful" comments, I did a number of keyword searches and came up completely dry. It certainly is possible that some of the WikiLeaks data is terrible for Hillary Clinton, but there is no time to check. On one hand, we know that the timing of these releases was decided by Assange and certainly appears to be intended to hurt her as much as possible, but on the other hand, at least he makes no pretense of checking any of it for accuracy. There was a period when WikiLeaks tried to prevent killing people, but I'm not sure they even make that much effort anymore.

      One of the posts I noticed (one of the few sane ones) summarized his position as being underwhelmed, but I think that's an understatement. If there was some real substance here, then it should have been released a long time ago so the wheat could be separated from the chaff. The best reason to stall is because Assange himself suspects it's packed full of disinformation.

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    44. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the local community taxes, so you need to add (in average) 30% on top of the income tackets. The brackets then become 30%, 50% and 55%. The employer also pays a tax on top of your salary, an additional 31.42%, before paying it to you (so you never see it, the "employers fee"). That makes the real income tax brackets in Sweden about 60%, 80% and 85%. Don't forget the VAT is normally 25% for non-foodstuffs as well.

    45. Re:Leftism as usual by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      You don't understand. It's always the Leftists fault. Even if the alt-right self-defined the term and others on the right want to use it but don't like it then it's STILL the Leftists fault. Basically, "It's the leftists fault" is axiomatic.

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    46. Re: Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who use the Sweden of today as anything more than a warning about the dangers of a mind-numbingly slack immigration policy are regurgitating propaganda that has no basis in reality. Also see, Swedistan.

    47. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All lies! How about you list the real effective tax rates due to the many many deduction lines available? The highest is around 12% tax rate to the Feds, and corps that make billions on profit get tax refunds on taxes not even paid! So stop with your bullshit tax rate lies. Perhaps ask you mom to explain a 1040 before moving on to elementary corporate returns.

    48. Re:Leftism as usual by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Yes you do. On this very site there's constant whining about h1bs

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    49. Re:Leftism as usual by tommeke100 · · Score: 2

      Calling Hilary "Leftist" is pretty ridiculous though. Maybe she is leftist in the seriously "rightist" biased US; but she is definitely at least "moderate-right" to just plain "right" from a European POV.
      Which still leaves out standpoints on abortion and gay marriage, which in most European countries are well agreed upon by the "regular" right and left. Only religious conservative parties are really against it. So these are not typical "left is pro" and "right is contra" topics. Both left and right are pro, just the religious and very conservative are contra.

    50. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great, a skinhead as President. Next he will bring back concentration camps and let corporations screw the people more than they are doing now.

    51. Re:Leftism as usual by Hodr · · Score: 1

      H1B? You mean the VISA program for VISITORS? H1B is not an immigration program, and if you believe it is then you are part of the problem and are supporting abuse of the program.

    52. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sweden and low taxes? You live on the moon perhaps?

      Swedens taxes are one of the most horrible in the world. Astrid Lindgren had to pay a 105% tax ... nuff to say.

    53. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like how "left" was a word that had something to do with politics once, but now it is a label used by the alt-right to denegrate anyone who views "sexism" and "racism" as legitimate concepts?

    54. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? You don't? People like Trump who think we should stop all muslim immigration to the US aren't complaining about legal immigrants?

      This got a +4 for being a blatant and irresponsible lapse in long-term memory?

      I get it now, Trump defenders have the mental abilities of a Goldfish. And they've probably never actually listened to the man's postiions.

    55. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're not listening, you don't here [sic] much at all.

    56. Re:Leftism as usual by unixisc · · Score: 1

      It used to be the neocons. Suddenly, now the focus has shifted to alt-right? What happened - Wolfowitz support of Crooked Hilary has convinced the Left that Neocon is so... 00s? It's not that Obama has done anything to endear pro-Israel Jews, so what else happened?

    57. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add to that "low" 25% federal income tax, the 32% muni tax (additive, not multiplicative), 25% VAT. On top of employers paying an additional 60% of the salary for the union-mandated pensions, and the government-mandated pensions.

    58. Re: Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another honky displaying his love for the yellow man.

    59. Re:Leftism as usual by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Defining Hilary by European standards is ridiculous when she's a player in the US political system. Here, she was Leftist long before Bernie surfaced. In 1992, when Bill Clinton was batting for the Democrat Leadership Council in trying to move the party more to the center, she was one leader of the Left leaning faction of the party, and focused on bringing Single Payer Healthcare when the party had not just the WH, but also both houses of Congress. So that was when Hilary was unplugged and a free agent, and in that mode, she was very much a Leftist. She disappeared after the 1994 debacle, and only resurfaced after the Monica affair, when public sympathy for her was sky high.

      Since then, she has been as expedient as she can, knowing what being a true Leftist would bring her. Unfortunately, Leftists saw that and moved first to Obama in 2008, and Bernie in 2015. The Wiki revelations of her speech where she talked about having a public and a contradicting private stance on issues did nothing for her. So despite her being an authentic Leftist, I'll be surprised if Bernie supporters turn out en masse for her, given how much she has shed the perception that she authentically stood for anything

    60. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seriously? You don't? People like Trump who think we should stop all muslim immigration to the USfrom areas filled with terrorism until we can get a handle on things aren't complaining about legal immigrants?

      fixed that for ya

    61. Re:Leftism as usual by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      There's plenty of complaints about people legally coming and living here for many years. It may not be immagration, but it's close. I bet the typical H1B stays longer legally than the typical illegal worker does.

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    62. Re:Leftism as usual by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I disagree that even most people likes 100% of what their candidate does, and oppose 100% of what the opponent does (though this is more likely) but all we ever talk about are the pro's of our candidate and the cons of the opponent. That's human nature.

      I for one will freely admit that hillary is a turd sandwich and trump is a douche, and from a policy standpoint both have a lot to not like and only a few things to like. However... I do have my single issue that is causing me to vote for the turd sandwich. The douche may avoid talking about how he's going to affect gay rights but they will, negatively, unless somehow enough people stop congress and the douche from doing so. An outcome I think we are close to, but not quite there yet.

      So turd sandwich it is, because I'd like to get married someday and it be valid anywhere in the country I may (be required to) travel to.

      Of all the things of Trump's stands, you oppose him on the one thing where he's closer to you than his own party?

      In the past, the GOP was clearly the 'anti-gay' party, if you will. Trump was never anti-gay, and that was one thing he brought w/ him into the party, particularly after Orlando. While his opponents like Cruz supported NC in their ruling on transgender bathrooms, Trump took the side of those who didn't want to force companies to create extra ones from transgenders. In the GOP convention, you had Peter Thiel, whose company yanked its Charlotte plans, speak, and you had Trump thank his audience when they cheered his solidarity w/ the LGBT community. The GOP is no longer an anti-gay party, thanks to Orlando and the recognition of the need to recognize what the greater threat is.

      Had you said that you oppose him on Muslims, that would have been a better (if wrong) rationale for opposing him.

    63. Re:Leftism as usual by unixisc · · Score: 1

      H1B is a visa program for foreign WORKERS. And it's the first step for anyone who wants to get a green card. Visitors visas are something else

    64. Re:Leftism as usual by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Muslim immigration is a problem b'cos an indeterminable number of them may be jihadists, and it's next to impossible to vet them. The argument there has been that their immigration shouldn't be legal. But for those who have come in legally, there are no complaints.

    65. Re:Leftism as usual by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      The irony here being that you have accepted that the government has any place, or right, to tell anyone who they can marry.

      You fight for recognition by bureaucrats who are pressured by populism, and many (most) don't particularly give a shit about your love-life one way or the other. You see it as a good fight to beg your government to deign to validate your love. You vote for the left in this case, because they have a history of greater involvement in the personal lives of citizens, rather than vote for candidates that fight to get government out of your personal life as much as possible. With your vote, you increase the involvement, you open doors for greater intrusions, and you pat yourself on the back for your accomplishments.

      A true Constitutionalist, a true libertarian, would excise the government entirely from this topic as well as many others. They would abolish marriage licenses (that were originally established to prevent whites from marrying blacks...), and lift the chokehold government has established on you, with your help, and from anyone that chooses to make a promise to another. They would eliminate the absurd laws of taxing a person more or less, based on who they choose to share their heart with. And eliminate the archaic and ridiculous practices of defining what benefits a person can claim based on the same.

      Your proposed "solution" is precisely the problem to begin with.

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    66. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really sure where to reply. Sweden has an immigration population of at least 16%[1]. This is not including children of those immigrants who where born here.

      Most major government services are overloaded to their knees after the last immigration wave[2]. Especially health care, dental care, social services and schools.

      The total amount of tax before an employee pays income tax is around 31,42%[3][4]. Then they have to pay income tax on that as someone mentioned earlier is 20-25% in general as mentioned here by a previous poster.

      (Born and living in Sweden)

      [1] http://www.migrationsinfo.se/migration/sverige/
      [2] http://www.migrationsverket.se/Om-Migrationsverket/Statistik.html
      [3] https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbetsgivaravgifter_i_Sverige
      [4] http://www.skatteverket.se/foretagochorganisationer/arbetsgivare/arbetsgivaravgifterochskatteavdrag/arbetsgivaravgifter.4.233f91f71260075abe8800020817.html

    67. Re:Leftism as usual by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      So your one criticism of Trump is his hair? That is DEEP!

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    68. Re:Leftism as usual by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Here is a thought, Taxes are not the right of government.

      It is almost like you are arguing that taxes at 45% is "fair". I call it criminal.

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    69. Re:Leftism as usual by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      It isn't the "first past post" that is the problem. The real problem is that we have a public primary to vote of private party candidates. Get rid of the Government sponsorship of political party voting, and you'll solve a great deal of the problem.

      Imagine there are no party makers on any ballot in the Primary, and the top two winners make it to the general election. Imagine if California had to chose between Bernie and Hillary for President in a week, and Texas was voting between Trump and Cruz.Getting to 270 Electoral votes would be much much more difficult, but in the end, we'd have an election that actually represented the real values in America, and not the corrupt perverted version we have now, that has given us two candidates that 2/3 of Americans can't stand either.

      You really think that most Americans actually want either of these two clowns*?

      *Apologies to the Ringling Bros circus performers.

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    70. Re:Leftism as usual by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      Taxes... government tax rates are meaningless without taking into account how much money you have after other deductions at your paycheck, etc. So this quick off the top of my head list is what are taxes that people never take into account:

      1. How much your employer keeps for himself and doesn't pay you. If there are 100 people in the company, and one person gets 90% of the money, that's just like a really big tax.

      2. Insurance costs. We're forced to get car and health insurance. Maybe these are good things, but still keep them in mind.

      3. Inflation. Yep, wouldn't it be nice to save money and not have to invest it in something that every 10 or 20 years gets blown away by Wallstreet problems. You can thank inflation.

      So if the government charges a ton of taxes against the rich, and the rich are just "taxing" the workers, then it's sort of like the non-rich classes being double taxed. Of course the rich would rather take 99% of the money and also pay no government taxes. The people without all the money still have voting power... we just need politicians who aren't bad people. Good luck will be needed.

    71. Re:Leftism as usual by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      My point is that tax rates for investment have to compete globally for capital. They all end up very similar once you factor in average ROI for the nation.

      I bet American average ROI is higher but noisier than Sweden's.

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    72. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Germany leaps to mind.

    73. Re:Leftism as usual by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Tax deductions like expenses? You and yours should not lecture.

      Even for those few corporations big enough to play the international shell games, it's tricky to return profits to investors without first declaring a profit. Sure you can 'grow valuation', but valuation without profit is the definition of 'bubble';.

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    74. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't just look at the nominal corporate tax rates, you have to look at the effective corporate tax rates due to all the loopholes in the tax laws (in the US at least).

    75. Re: Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      found yet another useful idiot

    76. Re: Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol get a handle on things

      the cognitive dissonance is too real with trump chest-beaters. if you think in this age that you can have effectively zero terrorism (which hasn't really ever been a major problem in the US, if you look comparatively at statistical causes of death across the board), then you're even dumber than most people would give you credit for. we have roughly 10 9/11s annually just in preventable car accident deaths.

      there have been fewer than 45 deaths attributed to radical islamic terrorism since 9/11. 48 attributed to domestic right-wing extremism. looks to me like right-wing wing nuts are statistically more dangerous than radicalized muslims.

      what does trump plan to do about those crazy-eyed terrrrists? abso-fucking-lutely nothing. so good job falling for that slab of bloody red meat.

    77. Re:Leftism as usual by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      They don't care about the people, it's quite obvious at this point. Our "experiment in democracy" has already lasted longer than predicted; the only way out is to fail and start over again, again with a constitution that tries to limit the power of government which will, over time, be eroded to the same point it is today... it's like living in the matrix.

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    78. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't here people complaining about the legal immigrants.

      No, you certainly would never hear that on Slashdot! *cough* H1B *cough*

    79. Re:Leftism as usual by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      The US has over 40 million immigrants - even if you don't count the roughly half that are here illegally, we still have twice as many as the next highest country.

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    80. Re:Leftism as usual by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      It's sorta like how SJW means "anybody who is more respectful than I am." Alt-right means "anybody who can think of a reason to vote for Trump."

    81. Re:Leftism as usual by lgw · · Score: 1

      he only reason the left i.e. regular people, get to define alt-right is that there are so many more of them.

      If you think every normal person agrees with your political beliefs, you seriously need to get out more. Grow beyond your bubble - you'll be amazed how much more there is to learn and experience in the world.

      If you're not friends with anyone who fundamentally disagrees with you on some important political issues, you'll end up very narrow minded, and it only gets worse as you age.

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    82. Re:Leftism as usual by lgw · · Score: 1

      More respectful? Clearly you've never argued with one, you racist, sexist, curvyphobic, cithet-elitist, gender-privileged essentialist. You are literally Hitler! Acknowledge your thin privilege, shitlord! Why is it so hard for you to accept that your beliefs are problematic? Your non-gender exotification is incredibly triggering to me!

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    83. Re:Leftism as usual by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      To all the idiots writing about H1-B Visas, they are NON-immigrant Visas; people with H1-B are NOT counted as immigrants. More like non-permanent workers.

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    84. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking at the migration statistics on NationMaster the USA is #34 in net migration per capita:
      http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/People/Migration/Net-migration/Per-capita

      #6 in foreign population per capita:
      http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/People/Migration/Foreign-population

      and #68 in refugee population per capita:
      http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/People/Migration/Refugee-population-by-country-or-territory-of-asylum/Per-capita

      So the other countries might not be as homogeneous as you think they are.

    85. Re:Leftism as usual by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      You mean like how "left" was a word that had something to do with politics once, but now it is a label used by the alt-right to denegrate anyone who views "sexism" and "racism" as legitimate concepts?

      No, that's "SJW".

    86. Re:Leftism as usual by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Of course they don't. If they did, neither of the two major candidates would still be in the race at this point. The only thing they're fighting for is power and ego.

    87. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm Australian, we're one of the least homogenous countries in the world, Our government is on a global scale centre-right, By our standards the Democrats are right wing extremist nutjobs, the Republicans are off the scale.

      and are you sure? I thought Germany took more immigrants? and I know Australia takes more middle-east refugees than the US

    88. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From your first link: "The most common emigration countries were Norway, Denmark and the UK." That's some huge racial diversity that you have there...

    89. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think the alt-right is more mainstream than the GOP.... you might be a Knight of the KKK

    90. Re:Leftism as usual by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      It's difficult to return profit to investors that you have hidden from tax authorities with accounting tricks.

      For the investor to see it, it has to be profit or growth.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    91. Re:Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As terrible as Tumblr is presented to be, you'd be more impressive if such defensiveness wasn't the typical response of the right to ANY criticism, very frequently they act victimized that they can't criticize Obama because if they do, it's racist, in order to insulate whatever nonsensical thing they're blathering about being Obama's fault, and somehow give it a pretense of validity. It's a common pattern.

      They're already working up that resentment for Hillary too. They'll be all in flutters because "Well, you won't let us say anything bad about Hillary because she's a woman, the menopausal bitch" and thus the cycle will continue.

      Of course, it doesn't help that they HAVE, in fact, embraced the birthers within their ranks, and the anti-woman element, and in general, treated the other side with excoriation as traitors, and wannabe Stalins, and Nazis, and all the other trappings, even gone to the extent of lying about doing it. I do hope you realize that.

      But yeah, turns out SJW is a useless term of criticism, since that portrayal of yours, IS very frequently what anybody who has a problem with some behavior on the right, is claimed to be, no matter how far that appearance is from the truth. Just a few days ago, there was somebody lamenting that the left was ALWAYS VIOLENT, every time. An absolutist claim. And combined with feigned innocence of persecution from the right.

      It was very laughable. They were so holier-than-thou They just don't know their own darkside. You really should learn what a joke the right can be. You don't seem to understand it either, though you haven't quite denied it so openly.

    92. Re:Leftism as usual by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      It used to be the neocons. Suddenly, now the focus has shifted to alt-right? What happened

      The Neocons lost, that's what happened.

      No, not to the Democrats, they lost to the Tea Party. The NeoCons pushed the Iraq War in their goal of reshaping the Middle East, and the alt-right is a bit more "what are we spending all this money for?"

      My suspicion is that the Neocons are more socially conservative than the alt-right (they courted evangelicals very well), and maaaaaybe a little less economically conservative.

    93. Re:Leftism as usual by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The Neocons lost, that's what happened.

      No, not to the Democrats, they lost to the Tea Party.

      Rereading this, I should clarify (sigh) because that's part wrong. They DID lose out to the Democrats, and the election went to Obama in 2008, and the alt-right gained a lot of ground in response to that.

    94. Re:Leftism as usual by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Calling Hilary "Leftist" is pretty ridiculous though. Maybe she is leftist in the seriously "rightist" biased US; but she is definitely at least "moderate-right" to just plain "right" from a European POV.

      That's what I used to think. Then I realized that the European POV is pretty much isolated to a number of countries in Western Europe, but that scale doesn't apply very well to any other continent save Australia.

    95. Re:Leftism as usual by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      Really? They brought all those refuges in and told the populace to "forget your German culture, adapt to the refuges", and that's serving the German people? Or are you just trying to Godwin?

    96. Re:Leftism as usual by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Here is a thought, Taxes are not the right of government.

      It is almost like you are arguing that taxes at 45% is "fair". I call it criminal.

      Of course taxes are the "right" of government. If you want government services, and yes nearly all Americans want some sort of government, taxes are the way to go. You can only tariff so much, and excess tariffs have other trade-related secondary effects.

      Do I think the federal government does too much? Sure. However, we have decided as a country that we NEED certain things to be... well, certain. Not optional, not up to charity, and not underfunded by the states that traditionally have done jack squat to support their citizens. We've decided we need things like the social safety nets of Social Security and unemployment support. We've decided that we want a strong military. We've decided that health care should be a human right, not something that only the wealthy can afford. And yes, we didn't have these things in the 1700s, but unless you were rich, life was SHIT in the 1700s.

    97. Re:Leftism as usual by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Taxes are not a right of government, anymore than having sex with an unconscious woman is a right. Both require consent. Something you fail to understand.

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    98. Re: Leftism as usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there have been fewer than 45 deaths attributed to radical islamic terrorism since 9/11. 48 attributed to domestic right-wing extremism. looks to me like right-wing wing nuts are statistically more dangerous than radicalized muslims.

      These days, there are thousands of deaths around the world from radical Islam in any given year - including deaths inflicted by radical governments on their own citizens. Some years there are tens of thousands of deaths.

      Even going back just to the 1940's, we find that hundreds of thousands died in some years - such as during the partition of India and Pakistan (some estimates of the total deaths go well over a million).

      It's worth mentioning that many of those killed are themselves Muslim.

      Radical religion is a very serious problem for humanity - and far bigger than domestic non-religious extremism. Nobody wants that problem in their own backyard.

    99. Re:Leftism as usual by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Here is a thought, Taxes are not the right of government.

      Here's a fact: civilization costs money. Here's another fact: low taxes have high costs.

      It is almost like you are arguing that taxes at 45% is "fair". I call it criminal.

      Yes, because it's not enough for capitalists to exploit workers, consumers, citizens and the planet past breaking points, you want to live in a first-world society without having to pay for it.

    100. Re:Leftism as usual by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      You and I have differnet definitions of the term "low"

      Low taxes have high costs. People in Sweden pay a fraction of what you do for higher education, medical care and retirement.

  3. Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not really clear that there's anything here. A news organization always checks with the subject of an article before running the article-- this is standard procedure, and it's also standard procedure to correct errors of fact that are pointed out-- it is desirable to do this BEFORE an article runs.
    I think they're stretching on this.

    1. Re:Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Rolling Stone tried the technique of not checking before running an article-- didn't work very well.

    2. Re:Seems ordinary. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Indeed. The devil's in the details, and we have none yet.

    3. Re:Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The devil's in the details, and we have none yet.

      And that doesn't matter one bit. Its clinton, its wikileaks, its email. Its worse than watergate! Lock the bitch up!

      captcha: losers

    4. Re:Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The devil is in the effect this has on the chances of the US falling into the hands of a fascist dictator

    5. Re:Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Appreciate the reply from the Clinton campaign.

    6. Re:Seems ordinary. by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Not really clear that there's anything here. A news organization always checks with the subject of an article before running the article-- this is standard procedure, and it's also standard procedure to correct errors of fact that are pointed out-- it is desirable to do this BEFORE an article runs.
      I think they're stretching on this.

      It doesn't matter, all the article needs is "Clinton" and "emails" and it creates the vague scent of corruption.

      I'll agree the emails dumps are fascinating as they reveal a lot about how campaigns really operate and how politics works. But the middle of an election campaign isn't the best time to run this through the media grinder, every interesting tidbit end sup looking like a fresh scandal.

      --
      I stole this Sig
    7. Re:Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You paid stooge.
      It wasnt the reporters emailing Clinton, it was the 'investigators' giver her the heads up.
      The state department isn't quite the media, just yet. But they're working on it.

    8. Re: Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hilary at work stealing taxpayers money Trump So hard-working businessman

    9. Re:Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This isn't an interview for a news story, this is them investigating a crime. Might want to read that again.

    10. Re: Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, not stealing Trumps taxes - he never pays any.

    11. Re:Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I, too, am having a hard time understanding what the news is here. I think most organizations I have ever worked for or with would reach out to a previous organizational leader (assuming they left in even the most general of good graces) to give them a heads up that a potentially damaging news story was about to be released, provide them with their prepared response, ensure all stated facts were accurate according to everyone's best recollections and understandings (including, yes, give an opportunity for corrections and clarifications), and even work intentionally to direct the unfolding narrative towards mutually beneficial ends, so as not to let the story take on a life of its own.

      Public relations efforts are not the same thing as conspiracy (at least any more or less so than marketing is synonymous with lying).

      That said, as far as I'm concerned, neither of the mainstream candidates demonstrates enough reliability or integrity to be our country's leader (and, unfortunately, neither of the alternative candidates demonstrates enough inner lion angel),

      I only wish there was a "None of the Above" option on the ballot which, if enough people checked, would trigger "draining the swamp" of all the candidates and starting over with an entirely new roster. Or maybe the ability to use my vote against a candidate as an alternative choice to voting for someone --- watch all of our candidates come out with negative totals.

      A board of trustees, lacking an executive leader, with only two piss poor resumes in the pile to choose from, isn't going to hire one idiot over the other just to get a body in the chair... I don't understand why our country is any different. Give all the government suborg heads the same budget they had last year. Make a goldfish in a fishbowl the interim president. When an executive decision is needed, if the fish is looking at you, the asker, the answer is yes, if its looking away from you, the asker, the answer is no. Have a representative from both parties and cameras from all media outlets trained on the fish tank continuously. Get a penny and do heads or tails to settle your differences, bust out a Ouija board and ask the ghost of your favorite founding ghost what they would do.

      Put forth a challenge to the American people to lift forward a viable candidate to represent us in all of our multiplicity, power and beauty during this challenging and complex time in history. New rule. Our president cannot want to be our president. Anyone who demonstrates a desire to want to be the president is immediately disqualified. . I refuse to choose any longer between which clique of rich people gets to be in charge of everything for the next four years.

      You want change? I'm pretty sure we'll have our first female president, our first reality star president, our first gay president, and our first goldfish president --- long before we'll have our first actual middle-class president.

      #BoredWithAllTheseJokers---WheresTheNextRealPresident

    12. Re:Seems ordinary. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      But the middle of an election campaign isn't the best time to run this through the media grinder, every interesting tidbit end sup looking like a fresh scandal.

      Best time for who? It seems like exactly the best time for the media. All this stuff is only exciting with an election looming.

    13. Re:Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Clinton may be a wannabe dictator but I'm not sure that fascist applies, even if her campaign has used bullying tactics.

      On the other hand, I wouldn't want her alcoholic hands on the nuclear codes.

    14. Re:Seems ordinary. by Bartles · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you were the subject of a criminal investigation by a government entity, do you see it as ok for them to secretly communicate positions and statements to you before they are released to the public. Do you rally think its ok for an investigator to do this with the subject of the investigation?

    15. Re:Seems ordinary. by Bartles · · Score: 2

      McFly? The State Department doesn't have the power to conduct criminal investigations. They certainly were engaged in an investigation. The biggest problem with your statement is that the information was passed to the Clinton campaign not only by hacks at State, but by Peter Kadzik who is an Assistant Attorney General in the Department of Justice

      "Separately, assistant attorney general Peter Kadzik wrote to Podesta in May 2015 to offer a "heads up" that a Justice Department official would be testifying before the House Judiciary Committee and would likely "get questions on State Department emails." Podesta forwarded the message to top campaign staff, writing: "Additional chances for mischief.""

    16. Re:Seems ordinary. by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Quiet, you. There's a witch to be burned.

      It's a definition of a Clinton Scandal piece that it seems like less of a scandal the more you get into the details.

    17. Re:Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Separately, assistant attorney general Peter Kadzik wrote to Podesta in May 2015 to offer a "heads up" that a Justice Department official would be testifying before the House Judiciary Committee

      Hello, mcfly? That was a publicly announced subcommittee hearing. Telling Podesta about something that was already public was not in any way nefarious.

      Like I said: stop being a shit-for-brains, just because Trump is a dumbshit doesn't mean you have to be.

    18. Re:Seems ordinary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really clear that there's anything here. A news organization always checks with the subject of an article before running the article-- this is standard procedure, and it's also standard procedure to correct errors of fact that are pointed out-- it is desirable to do this BEFORE an article runs.
      I think they're stretching on this.

      Oh yeah?

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...

  4. just like the Family Feud by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    this Email Says: Weiner

  5. The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    - The DOJ warned her ahead of interviews
    - The DOJ has obstructed the FBI at every turn in its investigations
    - The State Department massaged the messages to the media in collaboration with Clinton's help
    - The State Department made deals with the FBI to declassify classified Clinton emails
    - CNN provided Clinton with the primary debate questions ahead of time (but not Bernie, of course)
    - The DNC favored Clinton to the detriment of Bernie at every opportunity, including paying consultants to cause violence at Trump rallies but put the blame on Bernie supporters.

    Yes, these are all proven facts.

    1. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      For the alt-right's definition of proof yes, however courts operate on laws and facts.

    2. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody fell out of the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down.

    3. Re: The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ang-left in complete denial and ignorance.

    4. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The courts? Hah, that's funny, as the DOJ deleted the evidence and declined to prosecute.

    5. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HONEST courts operate on law and facts if the case isn't stonewalled or buried by corrupt cronies first. The problem is that the "J" in DOJ is missing. Maybe it was lost somewhere on the tarmac during that meeting with Bill. Or perhaps it was lost long before that.

    6. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - The State Department made deals with the FBI to declassify classified Clinton emails

      I thought the State Department merely ATTEMPTED to make deals with the FBI and the FBI responded by telling them to fuck off. So the State Department then refused to sign off on various FBI things in retaliation.

      I'm really hoping that when the FBI finds classified material on Weiner's computer, they'll do their damn jobs and bring Hillary to justice this time. But I suspect that depends on whether the elections are allowed to proceed fairly or not...

    7. Re:The DOJ did as well by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Yes. Say that sinister new term 'Alt-Right' and you can instantly discredit anything. It's like magic powder. Back in the day, politicians used the word 'Commie' the same way.

    8. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you work there? How do you know what they actual did? How do you know they didn't decline to prosecute on all these WeakLeaks and are building a real case? You don't. You have what you want to believe.

    9. Re: The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If not 100% buying into info obtained illegally with no means of detecting which emails (in entirety) might have been planted maybe. You don't have that problem though, stay blissful! Till they come after you at least.

    10. Re: The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Those recordings were made illegally so they don't count.

    11. Re:The DOJ did as well by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      courts operate on laws and facts

      Elections aren't criminal trials; completely different evidence standard. The emails are domain key signed and the Clintonistas — with the exception of the incoherent Donna Brazile — aren't denying their validity. So all that's left is you and your cognitive dissonance, voting for your corrupt statists.

      --
      Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
    12. Re: The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They want all of to die so the law doesn't matter to them. Yes, the recordings look bad, but they were illegal.

    13. Re: The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that makes the recording illegal to listen to. Anyone that claims they heard our party pay for violence is a criminal.

    14. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the 'alt-right' wasn't a bunch of lying pieces of shit, than nothing could be discredited by being associated with them.

    15. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Courts certainly do not operate on facts when the higher-ups of everyone in the Department of Justice is favoring Clinton at every turn. When people you depend on for a career, their boss and his boss and his boss all kowtow to someone you are responsible for judging, woe be to you if you don't kowtow too.

    16. Re:The DOJ did as well by Snotnose · · Score: 2, Insightful

      She was secretary of state. Did she not think she would get, or send, classified emails? If no, she's a fucking idiot who has no business being president. If yes, she's guilty of mishandling classified material which would get you or I 10 years in Federal pound me in the ass prison.

      I do not think HRC is a fucking idiot.

    17. Re: The DOJ did as well by Xenographic · · Score: 2

      > If not 100% buying into info obtained illegally with no means of detecting which emails (in entirety) might have been planted maybe.

      You can perform DKIM validation on the emails. Erratasec will give you a bitcoin if you can spoof them. The simplest way to settle this is to show me a link to the blockchain transaction when you win.

    18. Re:The DOJ did as well by quantaman · · Score: 1

      - The State Department made deals with the FBI to declassify classified Clinton emails

      I thought the State Department merely ATTEMPTED to make deals with the FBI and the FBI responded by telling them to fuck off. So the State Department then refused to sign off on various FBI things in retaliation.

      Rather an FBI and a State Dept official discussed an unrelated FBI request during the same phone call where a State Dept official made a failed attempt to have the classification rating on an email modified (it's not know who brought up the unrelated request).

      So EITHER the State Department OR the FBI created a situation WHERE SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE ATTEMPTED TO MAKE A DEAL.

      Or, more likely, the FBI official simply wasn't thinking about the conflict of interest. So while he had the State Dept official on the line he decided to change topics and ask about the outstanding request he'd made previously.

      And thus was born more rock solid evidence of Hillary's corruption.

      I'm really hoping that when the FBI finds classified material on Weiner's computer, they'll do their damn jobs and bring Hillary to justice this time. But I suspect that depends on whether the elections are allowed to proceed fairly or not...

      The situation you describe is Abedin Huma using an unsecured email account (either private or official) on her husband's laptop and discussing classified information (intentionally or not).

      And you think that's reason to throw... Hillary Clinton in jail?

      The FBI doesn't exist solely to throw your political opponents in jail.

      --
      I stole this Sig
    19. Re:The DOJ did as well by Xenographic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You might want to read some of the FOIA dumps coming out of the FBI.

      This video gives a pretty good rundown of all the ways this prosecution was weird as hell. This is Congress grilling the FBI about their handling of the case.

    20. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > She was secretary of state. Did she not think she would get, or send, classified emails?

      Pay close attention. I know that's hard for someone already convinced they know what's what, but try.

      She handled tens of thousands of classified messages in hardcopy form so they would not be hackable - that was her day-to-day process for handling classified material. The stuff on her unclass email was two categories (a) sent to her and (b) ambiguous discussion of fast-moving current events -- trying to 'talk around' classified details to varying degrees of success. There was literally nothing classified with classified markings. They only things with any markings at all were her own phone schedules which had already been declassified, and someone forgot to remove the line-item confidential markers "(C)" when they removed the headers, footers and cover page.

      > which would get you or I 10 years in Federal pound me in the ass prison.

      No it wouldn't. That's the exception, not the rule. For every Thomas Drake who got deliberately fucked over due to political persecution there are thousands of people who did what Clinton did and received nothing more than a write-up in their employee file and a couple days of remedial training. I happen know a couple such people personally, having worked on classified programs for over a decade.

    21. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FBI doesn't exist solely to throw your political opponents in jail.

      Give them some time, he's giving you a foreshadowing of how he thinks the country should operate.

    22. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice job correcting the record.

    23. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They found a couple of emails on her server that had classified information, meaning that when she transmitted classified information she didn't use email. Does that satisfy you?

    24. Re:The DOJ did as well by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Even if you somehow claim the email server was above board (it wasn't), how do you excuse lying to Congress?

      Here, this explains pretty well all the problems with it:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    25. Re:The DOJ did as well by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      YouTube advanced to the next video on me. I meant to post this one instead:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    26. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "- The DOJ has obstructed the FBI at every turn in its investigations"

      The FBI has never produced any evidence of wrongdoing. It's the job of the DOJ to stop blatant fishing expeditions.

      "- The State Department made deals with the FBI to declassify classified Clinton emails"

      Except they didn't. The state department asked the FBI to considered changing the classification of an email. The FBI considered and declined to change it. All of this happened before Clinton's server became an issue.

      "- CNN provided Clinton with the primary debate questions ahead of time (but not Bernie, of course)"
      CNN warned Hilary that there would be a debate question about lead in water. The debate was in Flint. Why CNN would do this, who knows, but it was pointless.

      " The DNC favored Clinton to the detriment of Bernie at every opportunity,"
      Bernie isn't a Democrat. To win a primary , you usually have to well ensconced in that party. Trump is one of the rare exceptions. Republicans couldn't kill the Trump candidacy because he was a real risk to go third party. Bernie wasn't a risk, because he cares about more than just his own ego.

      Those consultants don't *cause* violence, they rely upon Trump supporters to be predictably violent. BTW, Republicans do the same thing to Democrats, also with some success.

      "The State Department massaged the messages to the media in collaboration with Clinton's help"

      What's wrong with that? You'd think as part of a media response concerning Clinton, State would seek her input.

      "The DOJ warned her ahead of interviews"

      I don't know anything about this one, but considering the quality of the rest of your post, and that Rush Limbaugh seems to be the only person pushing this, this probably isn't what you think.

    27. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see that bravado when our Right Wing Death Squads come knocking on your door. Leftists get Liquidated. Full stop.

    28. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The biggest mistake you assholes make is the idea that no liberals own guns. I bet the half of your face that's still attached will have a real look of surprise.

    29. Re:The DOJ did as well by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      "Alt-right" doesn't appear to be working very well with voters. The Clinton camp has already switched back to a "vast right-wing conspiracy."

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    30. Re:The DOJ did as well by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      somebody can only use ad hominem attacks when their positions and "facts" have been challenged.

    31. Re:The DOJ did as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much are you getting paid to be a Trump shill?

    32. Re:The DOJ did as well by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      She was secretary of state. Did she not think she would get, or send, classified emails?

      Security sensitive information is not sent by email. Email is simply not that secure.

    33. Re:The DOJ did as well by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      It absolutely is. It's just not sent on open networks.

    34. Re:The DOJ did as well by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Whatever. Nobody outside your little circle of ideologues even knows what you are talking about.

      You're just mad because the Koch Brothers hate Trump too, and your head got all swirly and confused, so you had to make up a new buzzword.

    35. Re:The DOJ did as well by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Pay close attention. I know that's hard for someone already convinced they know what's what, but try.

      You first.

      She handled tens of thousands of classified messages in hardcopy form so they would not be hackable - that was her day-to-day process for handling classified material.

      Right. In the same way that because Bush didn't invade New Zealand, it means he didn't really invade Iraq.

      The stuff on her unclass email was two categories (a) sent to her and (b) ambiguous discussion of fast-moving current events -- trying to 'talk around' classified details to varying degrees of success.

      Irrelevant and irrelevant, respectively. She was running an unsecured, unauthorized private email server, and the only SOS to do so exclusively. If someone emailed her something classified, that doesn't absolve her, because it was her goddamn email server and she was entirely responsible for it.

      There was literally nothing classified with classified markings.

      Then you are literally full of shit about not just her emails, but your claims to have worked on classified programs. Much of the work Hillary did was inherently classified, and she knew that as one of the few Original Classification Authorities in the government. You think for one second that if she sent an email to a minister in the UK about the movement of nuclear submarines, that the information wouldn't be classified until it was marked as such?

  6. Hard to believe by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    Hard to believe that the State Department would actually coordinate with the former head of the State Department about State Department issues.

    1. Re:Hard to believe by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Well, not really State Department issues, so much as SecState issues. The issue being that she violated security in serious ways (ways that would have gotten me put in jail back when I was in the military)....

      --

      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    2. Re:Hard to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the world of civilian government - merely discussing classified matters with authorized personnel over an unsecure network/situation is not enough to cause problems - (only a misdemeanor at best) - since it is far too common. Intent to further distribute or actual distribution in an unauthorized manner to unauthorized people/foreigners etc. is what truly matters - which HC is not guilty of. This is why 793 is not relevant - according to case-law such distribution is necessary, and is the only true felony she could be charged with - merely storing classified info etc. transmitting over unsecure networks is a misdemeanor - (can't remember the relevant section/paragraph).

    3. Re:Hard to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really if someone sent you an email that was classified as confidential you would go to jail?
      While you were in the Military how many soldiers were sent to prison for Security violations?
      Zero you say? The Number of Prosecutions? Or where you in when Manning was Jailed?
      How many Federal, State, or Civilians? Just the ones than sold secrets for Cash you say?

      How Many forced to take the Security class over again?

      The Marine that Purposely sent a Classified eMail to Afghanistan via Yahoo was Offered an Honorable Discharge, and is fighting that.

      No it would have not Jailed you unless you went Manning.

    4. Re:Hard to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The relevant law is: 18 U.S. Code 1924

    5. Re:Hard to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real issue is her use of a private email server for the purpose of controlling what information an investigation would have access too if one were to come up (which it did, allowing her to tamper with evidence). This was a premeditated action on her part, not a "mistake". What will be interesting is to see if any of the Weiner emails correspond to work related emails sent to Hillary that were deleted by Hillary. In other words, will they find work related emails he sent to her that were not present on her server?

    6. Re:Hard to believe by subk · · Score: 5, Informative

      The relevant law is: 18 U.S. Code 1924

      Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material (18 USC 1924) is something that Hillary would likely have been charged with if she had not been protected by her cronies. The fact is, they allowed her claim that she didn't know what she was doing was illegal to stand in as absence of a clear motive. I find it really hard to believe that someone who has spent 30 years in the Federal Government has no knowledge of Section 18 of the criminal code! David Petraeus plead guilty to that charge and got a little probation and a $100,000 fine. For one count. However, Hillary (and others on her staff) might be guilty lots and lots of instances.

      She and some staffers may also be guilty of 18 USC 1623, False Declarations Before a grand jury or court--which carries up to 5 years--for lying under oath about said intent to commit the crime of removing classified documents and storing them. There is also 18 USC 1001, Fraud and False Statements which might come into play if she lied. Really, I think it's quite embarrassing as a citizen to live in a country that claims to practice justice in the court, but clearly does not. When you get passed all the political spin and commentary and drill down to the actual criminal code, it is hard to imagine a reality in which Hillary and her staff did not get convicted of SOMETHING. Let alone not even indicted! It just goes to show how deep the corruption goes.

      Here's TFL (the fucking law)

      18 USC 1924
      18 USC 1623
      18 USC 1001

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    7. Re:Hard to believe by Bartles · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hope if you ever find yourself under criminal investigation while running for office, that the investigating agency provides you with inside information advantageous to your campaign as well. Totally normal stuff.

    8. Re:Hard to believe by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      And here's a great video to go along with your reading of that law. The FBI Director is on the stand here, under oath, being grilled about their handling of this case:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    9. Re:Hard to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Her staffers might be guilty..... except the FBI/DOJ granted them all immunity. So they would allow their laptops to be searched. Something that easily could have been accomplished with a warrant. But they cut a deal instead.

      You think they offered Saucier immunity in exchange for the right to search the cell phone? So why did they offer Clinton's staffers immunity?

    10. Re:Hard to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material (18 USC 1924) is something that Hillary would likely have been charged with if she had not been protected by her cronies.

      "Unauthorized" by whom? She was the Secretary of State, for crying out loud... the only higher authority to authorize anything would be the President. Do you think President Obama wants to prosecute her?

    11. Re: Hard to believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Click the link, read the law, and find the fuck out. Or you just keep guessing, but your track record is zilch so far.

    12. Re: Hard to believe by subk · · Score: 1
      Bro, do yu even read? The law is clear.

      (a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

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    13. Re:Hard to believe by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I love the fact these scumbags are down to the 'Nixon defense'.

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  7. There's more to come... by Xenographic · · Score: 5, Informative

    So much crap is going down right now.... where to even start.

    There's a straw donor program that just got busted as well as a voter fraud ring in Indiana.

    We have the DOJ giving the heads up which you can read here. This was forwarded by one Peter Kadzik, who you might remember as being put in charge of the reopened investigation. Conflict of interest much? Podesta says he's a "Fantastic lawyer. Kept me out of jail." His son wants to help Hillary's campaign. Plenty of other emails of them having lunch, parties, etc. together too, incidentally.

    An African-American church was burned down and people are raising money to repair it.

    1. Re:There's more to come... by whoever57 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      This doesn't seem to have been reported anywhere other than the Telegraph and the Intercept.

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    2. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They describe it as an exclusive investigation and only their undercover reporters saw any of this. All they have are a few pictures in the article. Unless they release more evidence, nobody else has any way to corroborate what their reporters heard. They'll need to release some recordings or such.

    3. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Indiana, and actually your supposed "voter fraud ring" were something like 10 registrations that were missing a field such as zip code etc. If you want to convince yourself that it's some kind of massive voter fraud ring, go ahead.

    4. Re:There's more to come... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      It's a lot more than that, but I, like AC above, don't have the time to cite anything specific.

      It's common for 'Voter Registration' operations to hire anybody off the street to go around signing people up. It makes perfect sense for a percentage of the people they hire to do fake registrations to collect as much $$ as they can.

    5. Re:There's more to come... by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's a straw donor program [cbsnews.com] that just got busted as well as a voter fraud ring in Indiana [nbcchicago.com].

      Talk about straw. You're wording implies this voter fraud "ring" has been "busted", but the referenced article title even says it's an 'investigation' into voter registration fraud. Seems like a big difference between swaths of people trying to vote multiple times, and a pre-election group trying to get voters registered, and possibly individuals getting sloppy or even malicious. If the current argument is that voter fraud actually happens so infrequently that major changes to laws are too heavy-handed because it actually disenfranchises large groups of people, then this particular incident of possible voter registration fraud still doesn't have an effect on the big picture.

    6. Re:There's more to come... by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Informative

      a voter fraud ring in Indiana.

      http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/23/whos-behind-group-police-say-submitted-fraudulent-voter-registration-forms/90778006/

      "the group has submitted about 40,000 registration forms" ... "at least 10 of the group's voter registration forms from Marion and Hendricks counties contained fraudulent information. Local election officials said some of the group's forms were missing key information, such as Social Security numbers and birth dates."

      So, 10 out of 40000 had missing info.

      I am underwhelmed.

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    7. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You might as well argue with a brick wall, dude. Anything wrong that isn't directly tied to Trump is Clinton's fault in the eyes of Trump supporters while anything wrong that is directly tied to Trump is immediately disregarded as unsubstantiated hearsay, misrepresentation, quotes taken out of context or part of a conspiracy. Trump could rape their mothers and they'd swear on a bible that mom was asking for it.

    8. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thinking people don't want Podesta to got to prison. His ties to Russia are nothing compared to what we think Trump has.

    9. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the new info. It will be interesting to see what the police come up with (or not) at the end of the investigation.

    10. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because if news hit that Trump personnel were prepared to take foreign money we would have to have a conversation about Hillary actually taking foreign money...for her presidential campaign. I can't believe I have to clarify which time the next president took foreign money for personal gain.

    11. Re:There's more to come... by Xenographic · · Score: 2, Informative

      We don't know much about that police investigation yet and there's a lot going on so I will say I haven't looked too deeply into that one yet. One concern is that we do have certain people on video saying they've been busing groups in for 50 years and how that works is that they get voter registrations with fake credentials and bus people around to vote in all the places they're registered.

      That said, your source was interesting and you could very well be right.

      There's so much going on it's hard to keep track. There are also a lot of pedophile claims going on. The Todd & Claire thing against Julian Assange has been pretty thoroughly busted. All the profiles are fake, the "UN partner" bit was a sham and the address goes back to place lots of corps are registered (though the phone # shows a potentially coincidental link). The one against Trump is so bad even Jezebel doesn't quite believe it. There's also one against BIll, regarding flights on a convicted pedophile's "Lolita Express", including 5 flights without SS protection, but it's a fair point that tons of famous people flew on that guy's plane. Why they'd do that knowing he was a famous pedo with a private sex island, though, I do not know. Trump also had connections to the guy and rode the same plane, but that was well before he was convicted of pedophilia and the claims he kept sex slaves came out.

      Finally, there's one more knife in Bernie's back in the Podesta dump. Make of this what you will:

      From:Joel@gpg.com
      To: john.podesta@gmail.com
      Date: 2016-02-22 00:09
      Subject: Friendly advice. No mercy.

      Bernie needs to be ground to a pulp. We can't start believing our own primary bullshit. This is no time to run the general. Crush him as hard as you can. Other than that, hope all is well and congrats on Nevada!

      Source

    12. Re:There's more to come... by kenh · · Score: 1

      Only one candidate is the subject of TWO simultaneous FBI investigations, and it ain't the Republican... These investigations are under a DEMOCRAT administration, so its pretty hard to blame an imaginary "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy".

      This all could have been avoided if Hillary had deigned to use a state.gov email address - I'm pretty sure hillary2016@state.gov was available.

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    13. Re:There's more to come... by kenh · · Score: 1

      It makes perfect sense for a percentage of the people they hire to do fake registrations to collect as much $$ as they can.

      Except, in many states it is illegal to pay workers per voter registration as we learned during the investigation into ACORN

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    14. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Only one candidate is the subject of TWO simultaneous FBI investigations, and it ain't the Republican... These investigations are under a DEMOCRAT administration, so its pretty hard to blame an imaginary "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy".

      This all could have been avoided if Hillary had deigned to use a state.gov email address - I'm pretty sure hillary2016@state.gov was available.

      The right has spent decades demonizing her, yet she endures and still works hard. Most people would have gave up long ago. With that level of hate, she will likely be investigated for decades after her death, since it is not enough to tarnish all her accomplishments. The scum have to completely destroy her and all her accomplishments. The right is really effective like this. The twit who took the contract out on America was at the time cheating on his wife while he was pushing for the impeachment of a successful president who lied about cheating on his wife.

      Also your straw man about it being a democrat administration is just that. It is not as if Obama got to hand pick every member of the FBI, though I admit he screwed up with Comey. He thought he found a good republican. Bet he won't make that mistake again anytime soon. As far as the vast conspiracy, yes it exists. There are a lot of paid trolls to put up fake conspiracy theories on the internet. Hannity just covered one, as if it was true. Republicans regularly lie and exaggerate everything way out of proportion. The whole email server was a big nothing burger. Using a state.gov email address would have made her life easier, but it is only the "content" of the messages that matters legally. Both the personal server and the state server were the same classification level. Hillary made a mistake in trying to protect some of her privacy, and got dragged through the mud completely out of any level of sanity.

      Seriously Hillary's enemies are:

      1) Putin and the russian government. So a nation state.
      2) Of course you have the assange arsehat, but he is just a minion.
      3) Every republican that dreams of completely destroying any semblance of the first Clinton's record. They believe only St. Reagan can be venerated, even though he was a lousy president. That was where the urine based economics first began.
      4) Every american who really is a misogynist at heart. Can't let a woman step out of her place.
      5) Every american who really is a racist at heart. Trump tried to save us from the uppity black guy, so he is our guy.
      6) Every american who really stupidly believes the terrorists are going to kill us all. Seriously look up the actual risks people. Don't let the arsehats use fear to motivate you.

      Combine that with the vast amount of email and such that can be mined by targeting everyone Hillary knows, and every message that ever got near her and the possibilities are endless. You literally have an army of enemies who have nothing better than to take every email that can possibly be associated with her and find a way to twist it to their advantage. Hell even the leader of the FBI is bending over backwards to introduce fear and innuendo into this campaign, when not a damn thing has been proven. He even admitted as much not that long ago. He didn't just say she was innocent. He said no prosecutor would even bring charges!

      Compare that with Trump who:
      1) Lost money with a casino. Seriously, a casino. Brilliant at business he is not.
      2) Went bankrupt multiple times.
      3) Brags about sexual assault and it being fine because he is The Donald. Has a dozen women support that bragging.
      4) Spent 5 years using racists arguments to try to deligitimize the first black president.
      5) Call mexicans rapists and murderers.
      6) Made up this idiotic wall argument. Seriously you know your followers are fairly stupid, if they accept getting Mexico to pay for it as a rational argument.
      7) When confronted initially about the KKK tried to dodge saying anything bad about them because he wanted those guys

    15. Re:There's more to come... by rtb61 · · Score: 0

      You know what, all this crap is exactly what you would expect when two far right wing political parties attack each other for office. That one of the is just pretending to be left wing is actively ignored by the other right wing party because I don't know, what, too much competition for the same campaign donor class. Pretty much neither party gives a crap about the actual voters, they only care about themselves and how much they can milk out of the rich donor class and what off shore tax haven bribes they can pick up for luxury overseas holidays.

      As for the emails, oh I get that lie about releasing them. The white house would have censored the crap out of them and nothing would have been released that did not look could. So in future from those lying arse holes you can expect completely fake emails, designed to be released as political marketing and self promotion and all the shit emails classified under national security.

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    16. Re:There's more to come... by rmckeethen · · Score: 5, Informative

      Where to start? Perhaps you could start by reading the articles you've linked, or maybe even going to the actual sources of those stories? Allow me to help:

      1) The Thornton Law firm (straw donor program) -- The Boston Globe reports that at least 21 politicians nationwide, including Senator Elizabeth Warren, have agreed to give back or give-away over $600,000 received from the law firm. Given that no charges have yet been brought, nor have federal authorities even begun investigating the case, it looks to me like the Democrats who received donations from the Thornton firm are being about as above-board regarding this unfortunate incident as you could reasonably ask them to be.

      2) Patriot Majority USA (voter fraud ring) -- As other posters in this thread have noted, the investigation is for alleged voter registration issues, not voting fraud. However, a total of 10 suspicious registration forms, out of the 40,000 the group claims to have submitted, certainly isn't going to move the election one iota in either direction, and this incident seems a far cry from the kind of fraud you appear to be alleging.

      3) Peter Kadzik email on May 19th, 2015 -- As CNN points out in a recent article, the filing referred to in the email had already been made public a day before Mr. Kadzik sent his email. However, aside from that point, I'd agree it does look like Mr. Kadzik intended to tip-off the Clinton campaign, and I would also agree that even the appearance of impropriety in a Justice Department official should be investigated.

      4) Peter Kadzik supposedly in charge of reopened investigation -- Again, as CNN reported in the article linked above, Peter Kadzik is not involved in any known Justice Department investigations regarding the Clinton family. Obviously, if Mr. Kadzik isn't involved the investigations, there is no conflict of interest, making his relationship with John Podesta, or his son's relationship with Podesta for that matter, wholly immaterial. Even Republican Senator Trey Gowdy, who chaired the House Select Committee on Benghazi, admits Mr. Kadzik isn't a decision-maker at the Department of Justice.

      5) Hopewell Baptist Church fire -- Unfortunately, your YOUCARING link appears dead, but several sources confirm that the Hopewell church was likely set on fire Tuesday night, with the message 'Vote Trump' spray-painted around the same time. As the article points out, there's likely no way to know for sure if Trump supporters started the fire, but it's certainly troubling. However, I have no doubt that the community of Greenville will pull together and rebuild the damage, and I imagine some of that help will likely come from Republicans, including those supporting Trump in the election.

    17. Re:There's more to come... by nanoflower · · Score: 0

      Not that anyone will care but the Wall Street Journal has an interesting article pointing out the link that Trump and his companies have to many other countries. Including places that many people in the USA would regard as less than desirable. It sets up a potential conflict of interest with Trump should he become President but no one wants to talk about that when there's a Clinton to hang.

      Just face it. We are screwed.

    18. Re:There's more to come... by GoChickenFat · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There's plenty of voter fraud and it's been going on under reported and under prosecuted for decades. Just google voter fraud in St. Louis for plenty of recent stories like this one http://www.stltoday.com/news/l... In my opinion early voting is a massive problem nationwide and should be restricted instead of expanded.

    19. Re:There's more to come... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Interestingly the only case of voter fraud we can be fairly sure of was a Trump supporter: https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      She admitted that she voted twice.

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    20. Re:There's more to come... by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      A registration form with missing information is not fraudulent. The use of the word fraudulent indicates that there was intentionally false information on those forms.

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    21. Re:There's more to come... by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

      The moon matrix media has of course been running the opposite narrative. Trumpers framing BLM in a robbery that turned out to be an attempt at insurance fraud. Some Trumper was arrested for voting twice somewhere.

      An African-American church was burned down and people are raising money to repair it.

      I got a 403 on that link, but at any rate, that's fantastic. Some asshole bombs a GOP office, people raise money to repair it. Some dickless shit burns down a church, people raise money to repair it.

      HuffPo linked me to a GoFundMe page to donate for repairs.

      Here's holding out hope for those better angels of our nature whether we get the giant douche or the shit sandwich.

    22. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good for you... now try addressing ALL of the other points made instead of cherry-picking... We're all waiting.

    23. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my opinion early voting is a massive problem nationwide and should be restricted instead of expanded.

      Agreed.

      Both major parties are using early voting as a mechanism to enhance machine politics. With early voting they are able to spend weeks having paid vote collectors going to their supporter lists and pulling in votes for their candidates. Elections increasingly become about who has the biggest and best vote-gathering machine instead of who has the best ideas for the people. And minor party candidates have no chance at all.

      Early voting is also quite often via absentee ballot. This is an even bigger problem, as the "secret ballot" that is at the core of democracy is no longer secret. If your union boss is sitting there watching you fill out your ballot, how independent is that ballot, really? Or your employer. Or maybe that billionaire developer from New York decides to have his people offer up something in return for votes from minorities..... that's one of the reasons that ballots are strictly private, to prevent paying for votes.

      When people feign anger at any suggestion that something threatens the integrity of the voting process, you can have a pretty good indication that they know their team is up to no good.

    24. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Correcting the Record is working extra hard in the final days. Do they pay you overtime ?

    25. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you forgot the *at least* before the number 10

    26. Re:There's more to come... by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Also, hope that you are male, so that they pay you more. Since we know the Clinton campaign as well as her State Department pay/paid men 30% more than women, even while she shamelessly plays the gender card

    27. Re:There's more to come... by orgelspieler · · Score: 0

      I am shocked! SHOCKED! that crooked Hillary would try to crush her opponent as hard as she could!! How dare she PANDER to the libtards by taking on their progressive views?!?! Doesn't she know that by tricking people into voting for her she is rigging the election. I'm sure that boy scout Trump would never have said anything negative in private, or public, about his opponents. And I'm sure he has never changed any of his views, despite what the filthy LIBERAL MEDIA like Fox News might say.

    28. Re:There's more to come... by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Stop using "facts" and "well-reasoned" arguments. You will be labeled a liberal shill (or a traitor) by the true believers. You might as well try to use "science" to prove that the world isn't really flat. The only way to get your points across this year is to make an internet meme, or a two- or three-word chant, four words max. Giant Meteor 2016!

    29. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait. If a Democrat Prosecutor refuses to do their job and pursue charges against a Democrat Politician, that is proof to you that the Politician is clean?
      Let me guess, just because the IRS keeps targeting Tea Party Groups, that means they are all guilty of tax fraud? Brilliant. No cognitive bias at work with you.

    30. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. You should be underwhelmed.

      On the whole, mass voter fraud in the US, is a fabricated myth. Perpetuated by 1 side or the other, for political gain, and purposefully propped up to greater attention by the media.

      There was an NPR segment recently about voter fraud and investigations into it from I believe the 2012 election. Don't have the link, but one of the more memorable facts was, for a particular state (maybe Indiana..?) out of several MILLION (3-4) ballots being cast, across multiple counties, different races and elections, they found under 30~ cases of 'fraud'* out of the several millions cast ballots.

      * - The caveat being, what they actually considered fraud.

      In the cases they found, most were inaccurate voting data.
      Voter was improperly registered...
      Green card members who were voting who shouldn't have been, aren't allowed (?),which I find ironic... Potential citizens being proactive there... lol

      As for willful fraud, or someone being someone else to cast a ballot, it was like 2 or 3 instances. Statistically speaking, that's likely to be expected.

    31. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not true that the Trump voter was the only credible account.

    32. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but someone that gathers a lot of registrations is more likely to continue to be employed for it, and someone that gathers fewer is more likely to be fired.

      Even if it's illegal to pay per voter registration, the incentives to report fake registrations are still there.

    33. Re:There's more to come... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      If a Democrat Prosecutor refuses to do their job and pursue charges against a Democrat Politician, that is proof to you that the Politician is clean?

      Prosecutors refuse to press charges often. Do you think "there's an allegation, we have to press charges" is an absolute requirement for a prosecutor?
      Prosecutors pursue charges if they think they have a winable case. If the evidence is suspect or insufficient, often they will not because it's a waste of time or money.

    34. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this is true. WTF...

      https://twitter.com/wikileaks/...

    35. Re:There's more to come... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also she is not *really* racist. http://sli.mg/bkgjDm

  8. Missing the point by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not really clear that there's anything here. A news organization always checks with the subject of an article before running the article-- this is standard procedure, and it's also standard procedure to correct errors of fact that are pointed out-- it is desirable to do this BEFORE an article runs.
    I think they're stretching on this.

    While that's certainly true, it's also misdirection. A news organization checking the subject of an article isn't the point.

    It's that the government agency fielding the request gave the campaign a heads up, and took direction from the campaign about the response.

    That's collusion between government and the Clinton campaign.

    Are you comfortable with government agencies checking with a campaign (of their choosing) during an election?

    I'm not.

    1. Re:Missing the point by grcumb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While that's certainly true, it's also misdirection. A news organization checking the subject of an article isn't the point.

      It's that the government agency fielding the request gave the campaign a heads up, and took direction from the campaign about the response.

      That's collusion between government and the Clinton campaign.

      No, that's coordination between two groups, which happens all the time. This kind of behaviour is run of the mill with just about any news story that includes both private and public sectors. They each need to know what the other is saying in order to avoid contradiction and confusion. And the fact that someone's taken input from someone else doesn't imply anything; it's neither positive nor negative.

      Are you comfortable with government agencies checking with a campaign (of their choosing) during an election?

      I'm not.

      Then you are sorely, sorely mistaken about how communications between organisations and the media happens. And it's not a government agency checking with a campaign; it's a government agency coordinating with the ex-director about whom the media is asking questions. They'd be remiss not to check in.

      Seriously, the effort people on both sides are going to in order to vilify and demonise the opponent is shameful. A pox on both your houses.

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    2. Re:Missing the point by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      From what I'm seeing, the State Dept forwarded their official response to the Clinton campaign. That doesn't exactly sound sinister to me. The Dept was asked to comment on a particular story about the previous secretary, which they did, and also forwarded her a copy of their response. Should they have not done one of those things since the former secretary was running for office? Should they have said they were going to wait until after the election to comment? It's not like there's some random government agency feeding information to a candidate which they chose by coin flip, this is an agency which is forwarding their response to a formal official that they were just asked about.

      I'd love it if there were some major information in all of these emails which they could use to show that some seriously shady business was afoot at the highest levels of government. But, if they have information like that, what the hell are they waiting for? Trump's kids were interviewed a week ago or something talking about a "bombshell" at the end of October. Was this it? What were they waiting for, just biding their time until the perfect moment when defeat seems all but inevitable, as if information like this is going to cause people to flock to Trump? It's all so anti-climactic. I think this is all part of the circus designed to distract all of us from the fact that our entire election process is a complete shit show.

      Remember, vote for a Democrat or Republican on the 8th. No one else. Only one of them, one or the other. Pick one. Trust us, we'll stop beating you soon.

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    3. Re:Missing the point by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      *Former official, not formal. Damn subconscious autocorrect.

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    4. Re:Missing the point by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They each need to know what the other is saying in order to avoid contradiction and confusion.

      If both parties tell the truth, then there is no contradiction or confusion.

      "What color are you going to tell the New York Times the sky is?"

      "I am going to say 'green'."

      "Ok, I'll say 'green' too, so there is no contradiction or confusion."

      Then you are sorely, sorely mistaken about how communications between organisations and the media happens.

      This was communications between the US State Department and the Hillary Clinton political campaign. Neither are "media".

      And it's not a government agency checking with a campaign; it's a government agency coordinating with the ex-director about whom the media is asking questions.

      Neither John Podesta nor Nick Merrill were ex-directors of the State Department.

      Seriously, the efforts people on one side are going to in order to excuse criminal behaviour is shameful.

    5. Re:Missing the point by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      The Dept was asked to comment on a particular story about the previous secretary, which they did, and also forwarded her a copy of their response.

      They must have provided the copy to the campaign before they sent it to NYT, because they couldn't have corrected it based on campaign staff suggestions otherwise. That's where the problem comes in, not that they would send a copy after the fact to the campaign.

    6. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, that's coordination between two groups, which happens all the time.

      Does the State Department personally consult with you? Has any federal department ever asked your opinion on anything directly in an email sent to your personal account and written by a highly-paid government official?

    7. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coordination? No -- it's a conspiracy to take over the government of the United States.

    8. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they were being asked about you, they would. Common sense much?

    9. Re: Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If both parties tell the truth, then there is no contradiction or confusion.

      Oh please, anybody who has played a game of telephone knows that contradiction and confusion is easy to develop without any attempt to lie.

      Communications are often quite prone to misstep, and anybody who has taken witness statements knows that individuals who all see the same events can report them in different ways. Sometimes quite contradictory.

      "What color are you going to tell the New York Times the sky is?"
        "I am going to say 'green'."
        "Ok, I'll say 'green' too, so there is no contradiction or confusion."

      Emerald green or Jade green? Maybe moss green? Oh wait, the sky has no fixed color at all! I've seen it every color of the rainbow.

      And the media, if faced with that, would likely have a fit, they go off with the slightest provocation it seems.

      Seriously, the efforts people on one side are going to in order to excuse criminal behaviour is shameful.

      More seriously, the efforts people on one side are going to excoriate routine behavior is laughable.

      You've become a joke. It'll be sad on November 9th, when all the frustration and rage becomes impotent. I wonder how South Park will parody it. Maybe a sequel to the last time.

      I hope it'll be funny.

    10. Re:Missing the point by Bartles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is the State Department forwarding information to a non-governmental person before they release it to the public? You don't see anything wrong with that? Even worse that this person is a poltical candidate, and the State Department is not supposed to engage in political activity.

    11. Re:Missing the point by kenh · · Score: 1

      No, that's coordination between two groups, which happens all the time. This kind of behaviour is run of the mill with just about any news story

      Except neither organization in this email exchange is, you know, a "news organization"

      They each need to know what the other is saying in order to avoid contradiction and confusion.

      Really? That's called conspiracy when criminals do it... Why do they need to know what each other is saying? Can't they just tell the truth, rather than what they agree is the version of the truth they want to tell the public.

      --
      Ken
    12. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BS, people disagree when both telling the truth all the time. Eyewitness testimony has this problem all the time. People aren't being deceptive, they just recall things differently. That's how human memory works. And it is completely normal for the state department to notify the assistants of their former head about their public response about her. The shameful thing here is people like you trying by hook or crook to make completely normal communication into "evil" through hype and spin. It makes you look ridiculous.

    13. Re:Missing the point by Boronx · · Score: 1

      If State is answering news questions about Clinton, it would make sense they would consult with Clinton. It's not collusion because the discussion was not about how to handle an official investigation.

      The original poster is guilty of misdirection, but so are you.

    14. Re:Missing the point by Boronx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a measure of decline of Slashdot that this kind of illogical bullshit gets modded up.

      The idea that it's a crime for the State department to discuss it's response to questions from the media with a former Secretary (or her people!) should never have made it past the first neuron in charge of filtering stupid ideas.

      "I am going to say 'green'."

      "Ok, I'll say 'green' too, so there is no contradiction or confusion."

      That's all in your head. If they actually had agreed to lie about something, the story would have been about State and Clinton agreeing to lie about something.

    15. Re:Missing the point by DirkDaring · · Score: 1

      Any why wasn't it sent on his government email account?

    16. Re:Missing the point by Boronx · · Score: 1

      "That's called conspiracy when criminals do it"

      Key part being criminal. If Clinton and State weren't coordinating a criminal act, it's not a conspiracy.

    17. Re:Missing the point by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Jesus, you can make anything sound suspicious if you spin it like that. How about this interaction.

      Ex-Employee: "I'm applying for a job, would you please provide a statement for my new employer."
      Ex-Employer: "Here you go: 'Bob was a senior sales manager from June of 2013 to September of 2016. Bob led our sales team and was responsible for approximately $3 million in sales."
      Ex-Employee: "Actually it was $5m in sales, would you be willing to confirm and update?"
      Ex-Empoyer: "You were correct, I looked it up, it was $5m. Attached is an updated statement"

      This is so common place that it's absurd to consider this a leak. That's the problem with the "wikileaks" brand. They release my chocolate chip cookie recipe and suddenly it becomes "why is he only using 1/3rd of a cup of flower... is he trying to sabotage US wheat producers?!?"

    18. Re:Missing the point by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Why is the State Department forwarding information to a non-governmental person before they release it to the public?

      Because the "non-governmental person" is the former secretary which they were asked to comment about. That's only a guess though.

      You don't see anything wrong with that?

      I don't see an inherent problem with the State Department sending information to a "non-governmental person" before they release it to the public. I don't think the State Department has any obligation or duty to only contact people in the government and no one else. Some evidence which supports this theory of mine is that the State Department was in contact with a news organization also, which is also a "non-governmental person", and they were also giving that news organization the exact same information.

      So, why is it so outrageous that State was in communication with the former secretary, but it's not outrageous that they were in communication with journalists? Both are "non-governmental persons", correct? So, help me understand the outrage. There are a lot of things that I detest about Clinton, so help me out here, help the hate flow through me. I already think she is the poster child for political corruption, so finish your thought about State not being able to contact people who aren't in the government and how the public trust was somehow shattered by them daring to contact the person who used to lead the damn department. Justify that +5 Insightful that other people think you deserve and point out what I'm missing about State contacting their former leaders.

      Is it because she was campaigning? Would the proper response have been "we can't comment on the activity of the former secretary because she's engaged in an election campaign, but we'll be happy to tell you everything you want to know just right after the election." Because that would gone over so much better, right?

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      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    19. Re:Missing the point by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The idea that it's a crime

      And you're getting modded up for trying to put words in my mouth. I didn't say "crime", you did.

      If they actually had agreed to lie about something,

      It's called "an example of what kind of thing could have happened", not factual evidence that the State Department wanted to know what color to say the sky is.

      The fine summary tells us that nobody has figured out what was changed by the State Department at the campaign's request.

      The fact is, it is unethical for a political campaign to be vetting information that the State Department sends to the NYT, both for the NYT to allow it and the State Department to do it. No, it wasn't state confabbing with the ex-director -- John Podesta and Nick Merrill haven't been directors ever.

    20. Re:Missing the point by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Because the "non-governmental person" is the former secretary

      John Podesta's name does not appear on the list of past secretaries of state. John Podesta's email.

      I don't see an inherent problem with the State Department sending information to a "non-governmental person" before they release it to the public.

      I don't either. The problem comes when the campaign staffers to whom it was sent then ask for and are granted changes to the material before it is then actually released to the public.

      Please stop trying to paint the issue as just the pre-release, because that's not what the issue is. It's more than that. It's like trying to claim that your car ran out of gas because you tuned the radio to 101.3 FM. It ran out of gas because you got in the car, started driving, tuned the radio to 101.3FM, and then ignoring the gas gauge you drove past half a dozen gas stations without bothering to fill up. There's the mandatory car analogy.

      Is it because she was campaigning?

      It was because the material was sent to a political campaign and the campaign got it changed.

      Would the proper response have been "we can't comment on the activity of the former secretary because she's engaged in an election campaign,

      No, the proper response would have been "thank you for notifying us of information you are sending to the NYT about the candidate we work for", not "please change this material before you release it to the public." Yes, "thank you" would have gone over much better.

    21. Re:Missing the point by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      John Podesta's name does not appear on the list [wikipedia.org] of past secretaries of state. John Podesta's email.

      How right you are. And State did not email John Podesta. That's also a fact. The press secretary from State (spokeswoman, whatever they call her) sent an email to Clinton's press secretary and others with her campaign. The topic was a response to a journalist, so it makes sense that the press secretaries are communicating. That is their job.

      Here is the email in question, since TFA helpfully decided to not link to it. Here is the list of released emails sorted chronologically by email date, set to page 126 centered around the start of March 2015, if you'd like to take a look for yourself. If more emails are released the page number might need to be changed, I took a while to look for that to make it easy for other people.

      The people involved are Lauren Hickey, the person at State, who emailed Heather Samuelson, who is apparently a lawyer involved with determining which emails get released and which don't, plus Philippe Reines, an HRC senior advisor while she was at state and a current aide, and Nick Merill, the HRC traveling press secretary. Nick Merill forwarded the email to Jennifer Palmieri, HRC communications director, who forwarded it to Podesta. That's how it ended up with Podesta. I imagine that the purpose of State sending it to the people involved was because they wanted to verify or whatever with Clinton, and those are the people that the person at State would contact if they want to get in touch with HRC herself.

      The problem comes when the campaign staffers to whom it was sent then ask for and are granted changes to the material before it is then actually released to the public.

      What if the information that State was releasing was factually incorrect, vague, etc, and the campaign was seeking to correct or clarify? There doesn't automatically need to be some sort of malfeasance involved. If HRC had nothing to do with State then I'd say maybe there's something shady, but since she was the former secretary and they were being asked direct questions about her, it would make sense if the people at State were trying to check with her to make sure their statement is accurate. Again, I'd love for this to be a reason to string up HRC, but I'm not seeing it. On the list of reasons why I dislike her, I'll file this particular email somewhere in the low to mid hundreds.

      It was because the material was sent to a political campaign and the campaign got it changed.

      It's not "a political campaign", it's the former secretary. And, what did they change? She says there was a change "re records", look at that email that includes the response from State and see if you can find the part where they mention records which sounds shady. I'm not seeing it.

      This whole thing is someone sitting in a field hearing a bunch of hooves behind them and jumping up shouting "I HEAR A ZEBRA!" and they turn around, and no, it's just a horse. So they sit down again and wait for the next hoof beats to once again jump up and assume there's a zebra nearby. It's not a zebra, it's just a horse. Maybe one day there will be a zebra, but this isn't it.

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    22. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact is, it is unethical for a political campaign to be vetting information that the State Department sends to the NYT, both for the NYT to allow it and the State Department to do it. No, it wasn't state confabbing with the ex-director -- John Podesta and Nick Merrill haven't been directors ever.

      Except they are speaking for the former Secretary, and it is not necessarily unethical for the State Department to consult with said Secretary when it concerns business that relates to her tenure.

      You might be able to come up with some way it could become unethical, but you haven't yet. Or can you not fathom how if a person was in charge of something, they'd want input when something is said about what was done when they were in charge.

      That Hillary Clinton has delegated some work to others is a moot point, if you wanted to criticize that, you could possibly come up with some legitimate argument, but so far...no, you haven't even chosen to go in that direction.

      You're really trying the wrong approach, and you don't even see how it's failing.

    23. Re:Missing the point by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      And State did not email John Podesta. That's also a fact.

      Emails from the files of Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta ...

      The press secretary from State (spokeswoman, whatever they call her) sent an email to Clinton's press secretary and others with her campaign.

      Which members of Clinton's campaign staff have been Secretary of State?

      The people involved are Lauren Hickey, the person at State, who emailed Heather Samuelson, who is apparently a lawyer involved with determining which emails get released and which don't, plus Philippe Reines, an HRC senior advisor while she was at state and a current aide, and Nick Merill, the HRC traveling press secretary.

      None of them have been the Secretary. And I'll say this again since it didn't sink in the first time. It is not a problem that the SD sent HRCs campaign a copy of material it was going to send to NYT. It was unethical for SD to CHANGE THE MATERIAL IT SENT based on requests from CAMPAIGN STAFF of a current and active political campaign. We don't know what the change was; but the fact it happened is not appropriate. If the State Department doesn't know an answer to something, it should say so and let the NYT ask HRC themselves. There is no need to coordinate answers to prevent confusion and contradiction.

      What if the information that State was releasing was factually incorrect, vague, etc, and the campaign was seeking to correct or clarify?

      What if? Then HRC could contact NYT with the corrections directly. Then the public could see both the State Department answer and HRC's answer and not wonder what it was that HRC's CAMPAIGN STAFF didn't want to come out in public.

      On the list of reasons why I dislike her, I'll file this particular email somewhere in the low to mid hundreds.

      On that we agree, but you are arguing that it is a non-problem, not that it is a lesser problem than many of the other problems. If you are agreeing that it is a problem, then why keep saying it isn't?

      It's not "a political campaign", it's the former secretary.

      Oh, stop it. None of the people involved in the email was a former secretary of state, they were ALL members of her POLITICAL CAMPAIGN STAFF.

      And, what did they change? She says there was a change "re records"

      We don't know what was changed. But SD changing things based on a campaign staff request is the problem.

      no, it's just a horse.

      And here you are arguing it isn't a problem of any kind, despite admitting that it is in your list of reasons why to dislike her.

    24. Re:Missing the point by grcumb · · Score: 1

      No, that's coordination between two groups, which happens all the time.

      Does the State Department personally consult with you? Has any federal department ever asked your opinion on anything directly in an email sent to your personal account and written by a highly-paid government official?

      Well, I'm not an American, so no, the State Department has nothing to do with me, and me with it.

      But yes, I have worked closely with government agencies to prepare press releases concerning projects and events that I was involved in in a private capacity. It's not just something that sometimes happens; it's the process. You don't fucking talk to the media until everyone has their story straight. You just don't. Because it would be fucking stupid.

      Reporters are paid to find the inconsistency in stories. They are professional sceptics. Well, the good ones are. The bad ones are willing to take anything you say and twist it beyond comprehensibility in order to score a point. Kind of like what happened here.

      Again: People in the USA are demonstrating a shockingly tragic, deliberate, willful failure to accept that even people we hate are sometimes not guilty of every single fucking fantastical thing we invent about them. This is true of both sides. YOU'RE ALL FUCKED.

      I'm dead serious here: I live in a Least Developed Country with some absolutely astonishing candidates for Parliament, and we have saner elections than you. Get a fucking grip, people. Stop fucking lying about each other—and stop fucking lying to yourselves.

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      Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
    25. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which members of Clinton's campaign staff have been Secretary of State?

      Unable to comprehend the concept that a politician has people speak for them all the time?

      None of them have been the Secretary. And I'll say this again since it didn't sink in the first time. It is not a problem that the SD sent HRCs campaign a copy of material it was going to send to NYT. It was unethical for SD to CHANGE THE MATERIAL IT SENT based on requests from CAMPAIGN STAFF of a current and active political campaign.

      Why? Did they change the message in some unethical way? You need to articulate exactly why. Otherwise you are not being persuasive.

      What if? Then HRC could contact NYT with the corrections directly. Then the public could see both the State Department answer and HRC's answer and not wonder what it was that HRC's CAMPAIGN STAFF didn't want to come out in public.

      They'd still go into apoplexy. Just like you are. Though at least, they'd probably just be confused, you're probably partisan.

      On that we agree, but you are arguing that it is a non-problem, not that it is a lesser problem than many of the other problems. If you are agreeing that it is a problem, then why keep saying it isn't?

      Because of so many people breaking out the pitchforks over yet another non-scandal.

      It gets tiresome.

      Oh, stop it. None of the people involved in the email was a former secretary of state, they were ALL members of her POLITICAL CAMPAIGN STAFF.

      Who speak for her. That's what politicians do.

      We don't know what was changed. But SD changing things based on a campaign staff request is the problem.

      So you don't know what was changed, but it MUST be a problem. Yeah, that's not making you look bad.

      And here you are arguing it isn't a problem of any kind, despite admitting that it is in your list of reasons why to dislike her.

      You didn't understand the comment. That's what comes from cutting someone off. It's a non-problem, and at most, it's going in the file, because it's something to watch. Because smart people watch everything.

      But if you freak out over nothing, you will cause problems.

    26. Re:Missing the point by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Which members of Clinton's campaign staff have been Secretary of State?

      So, let me try to understand what you're suggesting here. Are you trying to suggest that if the State Department has questions for Clinton, that John Kerry takes the time out of his day to personally call up Hillary Clinton and ask her some questions about a public statement that they're going to release about her? Is that what you think happens? Does John Kerry call up Clinton to make sure all of the facts are right in the statement they're about to release, or do you think that maybe the department and Clinton both have people working for them to handle that kind of thing? Do you think that Clinton is exceptional in the regard that she has people who help handle communications for her? Is she the only person who does that kind of thing? Is that why I need to be outraged?

      It was unethical for SD to CHANGE THE MATERIAL IT SENT based on requests from CAMPAIGN STAFF of a current and active political campaign.

      How the hell do you know that the changes were unethical? Fill me in!

      We don't know what the change was

      OK, that's exactly what I thought, you don't know. You're assuming there's some shady shit going on here. I hope you'll pardon me if I don't drop everything and organize a mob to put Clinton under civil arrest.

      I mean, fuck man, both of us are reading the same email, right? I even linked you to the damn thing. Just copy and paste the goddamn parts which are the basis for your outrage and let's just skip straight to the chase, OK? The only outrage I'm able to feel right now is directed at you for apparently thinking that I should be outraged because some communications person at State sent an email to communications people working for Clinton about a statement they were going to make, the statement which you can read right in the goddamn email. Copy and paste, and hell bold the parts if you think I'm dense, and point out which part of that statement is problematic. Because, if nothing in the statement is problematic, then maybe whatever changes were requested aren't the Big Fucking Deal that you're trying to make them out to be.

      Here, you know what? I'll save you the trouble and paste it right here so that you don't have to be bothered with clicking on the actual source document:

      From the moment that the Select Committee was created, the State Department has been proactively and consistently engaged in responding to the Committee's many requests in a timely manner, providing more than 40,000 pages of documents, scheduling more than 20 transcribed interviews and participating in several briefings and each of the Committee's hearings.

      The State Department has long had access to a wide array of Secretary Clinton’s records -- including emails between her and Department officials with state.gov accounts, as well as cables. Last year, the Department sent a letter to representatives of former secretaries of state requesting they submit any records in their possession for proper preservation. In response to our request, Secretary Clinton provided the Department with emails spanning her time at the Department. After the State Department reviewed those emails, we produced about 300 emails responsive to recent requests from the Select Committee.

      The Department is in the process of updating our records preservation policies to bring them in line with recent 2013 National Archives and Records Administration guidance. These steps include regularly archiving all of Secretary Kerry's emails to ensure that we are capturing all federal records.

      Ooooooh, nevermind. I see why you're outraged. It's right here:

      Last year, the Department sent a letter to representatives of former secretaries of state requesting they submit any records in their possession for proper preservation.

      You're pissed off because State contacted the forme

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      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    27. Re:Missing the point by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      So, let me try to understand what you're suggesting here. Are you trying to suggest that if the State Department has questions for Clinton, that John Kerry takes the time out of his day to personally call up Hillary Clinton

      I said nothing of the sort and you know it. YOU said that the State Department had sent email to the former Secretary of State before sending it to the NYT ("Because the "non-governmental person" is the former secretary"), and that is simply not true. None of the people you admit were contacted were HRC, they were ALL members of her CAMPAIGN STAFF.

      Nobody said anything about Kerry or that only the current Secretary should contact the previous Secretary, and you know that. The issue has nothing to do with who in the State Department sent the information to be vetted, and you know that, too.

      How the hell do you know that the changes were unethical? Fill me in!

      Because ANY changes made based on requests from the campaign staff of an ongoing campaign is unethical. I don't know how much clearer that can be said. The State Department should not be vetting an information release with the campaign for any candidate, they should release the facts as they know them and let the candidate take care of sending the NYT her spin on those facts. It really is that simple.

      You're assuming there's some shady shit going on here.

      No, I know there's something shady, because the fact the changes were made is already known. I think you've even agreed that there was something changed.

      I hope you'll pardon me if I don't drop everything and organize a mob to put Clinton under civil arrest.

      I never said anything like that, either, and you know it. I tire of your endless hyperbole.

      The only outrage I'm able to feel right now is directed at you for apparently thinking that I should be outraged

      I am not outraged, nor have I ever said that you should be outraged, and you know that, too.

      You're pissed off because State contacted the former secretaries' representatives, instead of John Kerry personally calling up each of those secretaries himself to ask them if they could just send their records right over. Because that's totally how our government does business.

      This issue has nothing to do with State's request for records from the former secretary for long term archive, it has to do with allowing her campaign staff to request changes to information to be released to the New York Times. But you know that.

      Since you seem incapable of anything but hyperbole in defense of HRC, I'll just stop trying to correct you on what I've said and haven't said and let you continue to make it up on your own. You clearly are having more fun doing that than trying to discuss this problem seriously.

    28. Re:Missing the point by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      While that's certainly true, it's also misdirection. A news organization checking the subject of an article isn't the point. It's that the government agency fielding the request gave the campaign a heads up, and took direction from the campaign about the response.

      I'm not following. The category of the article's target person/org should NOT typically affect whether verification is done or not. Please clarify.

    29. Re:Missing the point by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I said nothing of the sort and you know it. YOU said that the State Department had sent email to the former Secretary of State before sending it to the NYT ("Because the "non-governmental person" is the former secretary"), and that is simply not true. None of the people you admit were contacted were HRC, they were ALL members of her CAMPAIGN STAFF.

      Jesus Christ, you mean if I had specifically pointed out that they were communicating with her appointed representatives, instead of naturally assuming that you would understand that, then this entire idiotic thread could have been avoided?

      Because ANY changes made based on requests from the campaign staff of an ongoing campaign is unethical. I don't know how much clearer that can be said.

      Well, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you.

      "We're going to tell them that when you said on April 21st that you had no idea how this happened, you misspoke."
      "That's not correct, that conversation happened on the 20th."

      I don't think that's unethical, regardless of how much you want to capitalize the word "any". I think that some changes would be unethical, especially if they distort or hide facts, but I'm pretty sure that no one knows what changes were requested. If only there was some sort of Information Act that could be used to get ahold of official communications like that in order to really get this witch hunt going. But, alas, we'll just have to sit here and speculate. We might as well assume the worst.

      I think you've even agreed that there was something changed.

      I'm just going off what I see in the primary sources (fucking crazy, I know!), which contains this line:

      Yes on your point re records - done below.

      So, what does that line mean? Well shit, you look like you're having so much fun speculating that I don't want to be left out. Let me try.

      Hmm. OK, here's the statement from Clinton's press guy that he sent to the media:

      Like Secretaries of State before her, she used her own email account when engaging with any Department officials. For government business, she emailed them on their Department accounts, with every expectation they would be retained. When the Department asked former Secretaries last year for help ensuring their emails were in fact retained, we immediately said yes.

      OK. And, hmmmm.. ok, here's part of the response from State:

      The State Department has long had access to a wide array of Secretary Clinton's records -- including emails between her and Department officials with state.gov accounts, as well as cables. Last year, the Department sent a letter to representatives of former secretaries of state requesting they submit any records in their possession for proper preservation. In response to our request, Secretary Clinton provided the Department with emails spanning her time at the Department. After the State Department reviewed those emails, we produced about 300 emails responsive to recent requests from the Select Committee.

      OK, let's fire up The Speculator. I'm going to draw a line from the campaign's statement, especially that last sentence, passing through the "shady" line from the email ("yes on your point re records"), down to that section from the statement by State. I'm going to speculate that the campaign asked State to say something about how they requested records (see how I matched up the actual word from the quote?) from the previous secretaries, so that the campaign could also say that they've been sending records to State, in line with that policy. And I think that both of these are probably factual statements, in so far as politicians define facts (obviously, not all of the emails were in fact sent, or else that Heather lawyer wouldn't even have a job). But hopefully there's more to this story than "she didn't send all of her emails", because we've known

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    30. Re:Missing the point by Boronx · · Score: 1

      You're right. you said "criminal behavior", not "crime". Maybe there's a way to behave criminally without committing a crime.

      It's called "an example of what kind of thing could have happened",

      Which means jack-all. You can't treat Clinton like she committed a crime because in your head you know it's possible, somehow, though we just haven't found the evidence yet.

      The fact is, it is unethical for a political campaign to be vetting information that the State Department sends to the NYT, both for the NYT to allow it and the State Department to do it.

      Why would that be unethical? Imagine another hypothetical:

      State: The Times is asking us about a quote from the Secretary where she claimed the sky is blue.
      Podesta (or whoever): The secretary wants to emphasize that she said the sky is a steel blue, and that she did point out the clouds on the horizon.

    31. Re:Missing the point by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Jesus Christ, you mean if I had specifically pointed out that they were communicating with her appointed representatives, instead of naturally assuming that you would understand that, then this entire idiotic thread could have been avoided?

      You have taken an insulting tone here, but I'll try not to respond likewise.

      No, this thread has nothing to do with WHO COMMUNICATED WITH WHOM other than correcting your claim that it was with HRC herself as a way of arguing that it wasn't a problem. You can't argue that this isn't an issue because the person being communicated was HRC herself because it wasn't. It was her campaign staff.

      This still leaves the issue of her campaign staff asking for AND GETTING changes to information that the State Department was going to release to the New York Times.

      Well, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you.

      That's fine. You don't see an issue with a campaign staff vetting official statements from the State Department. I do. This doesn't merit all of the nonsensical hyperbole you've spewed about things I didn't say.

      We might as well assume the worst.

      More hyperbole and things I didn't say. I didn't say we're assuming the worst. I said that what has already happened is bad. Depending on what those changes were it could be much worse. And you know that.

      All your "lines" show is that you're trying to paint this issue as something to do with State requesting records from HRC when it is not. State already knows it requested records, so why would they need to be corrected by campaign staff on that point? No, it has to do with State sending information to HRC's campaign staff so they could coordinate answers to avoid confusion and contradiction. As much as you want to keep referring to the previous records requests, that's irrelevant.

      You want a line that shows it was shady? Ok.

      "Here's some facts we are sending to the NYT in response to something they asked about."

      "Please change your facts so that they say what we want them to say."

      "Ok. Done."

      See, I can create an "April 20" exchange just like you can. I don't have to be as specific about it, I can use generic words like "facts" and "change". But you've already said you don't think changes to official state department press releases made at the request of an ongoing political campaign are an issue.

      Oh, do you?

      Yes, I do, and you continue despite knowing that. It's as if you are deliberately trying to avoid the actual issue to excuse what actually happened.

    32. Re:Missing the point by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      You're right. you said "criminal behavior", not "crime".

      You're right. I said "criminal behaviour" in a generic statement of the extents to which one side is going to cover things up. I was not referring to this one specific activity, I was talking about a broad range of issues.

      You can't treat Clinton like she committed a crime because in your head you know it's possible, somehow, though we just haven't found the evidence yet.

      Comey admitted there was evidence, but that it would not be possible to find a prosecutor to act on it. You are now participating in that general behaviour my comment referred to which was, I will admit, possible to interpret in a way it was not meant.

      Why would that be unethical?

      Because it creates exactly the issue that is has created, and none of the campaign staff have the authority or the responsibility to correct statements that the State Department releases to the public before they are released. Nor should staff of a political campaign have such authority or responsibility. If the State Department facts aren't correct, the campaign staff has plenty of opportunity to correct them with NYT directly. They do know how to contact the New York Times, you know.

      State: The Times is asking us about a quote from the Secretary where she claimed the sky is blue. Podesta (or whoever): The secretary wants to emphasize that she said the sky is a steel blue, and that she did point out the clouds on the horizon.

      She is not "the Secretary" anymore, and the quote the State Department was providing was correct. If the New York Times wants a clarification on a quote that HRC made while she was Secretary of State, the correct person to ask is HRC herself, because HRC herself is the best and only source for the intent and meaning of anything she said. The New York Times does know how to contact HRC (or her staff) directly, you know.

      Would you be as forgiving if this were, say, the IRS releasing information about Donald Trump's taxes and they changed their release based on requests from the Trump campaign staff? The IRS would be expected to speak in facts they could support; changing the facts they release because a Trump campaign staffer asked them to would be highly unethical.

    33. Re:Missing the point by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      OK, I am going to attempt to use mature, bland language so that I don't give off the vibe that you're getting under my skin. I may decide to randomly capitalize words though.

      No, this thread has nothing to do with WHO COMMUNICATED WITH WHOM other than correcting your claim that it was with HRC herself as a way of arguing that it wasn't a problem.

      I did not claim that they contacted HRC herself. If you thought that was my claim, then you were mistaken. When I said that they were contacting a former secretary that included ANY OF HER REPRESENTATIVES ALSO. I never tried to specifically and explicitly claim that State was only sending communication directly to HRC's personal communication device of choice. I am sorry that I confused you about what I was claiming by not pointing out what I considered to be the obvious.

      You don't see an issue with a campaign staff vetting official statements from the State Department.

      You keep accusing me of misrepresenting your statements, there's no reason you need to start doing that with mine. Wait, no, I mean "I never said that, and you know it." I do see issues with campaign staff "vetting" official statements. What I don't see as a problem is if campaign staff, or the janitor at State, or me, or you, or any other person, corrects a factual mistake. Unless you've seen the other emails in the chain, I can't devise of a way to determine which is which in this case. State said "yes on your point re records - done below." Maybe the campaign staff were simply asking a question, and the person at State responded with "yes" and also decide to clarify some language. Maybe they DIDN'T EVEN REQUEST A CHANGE, they were just asking a question for clarification. I see you're getting good use of The Speculator, though.

      But you've already said you don't think changes to official state department press releases made at the request of an ongoing political campaign are an issue.

      See how you keep trying to claim the high ground while still doing the same thing you're accusing me of? Don't think I don't notice, Obfuscant. I know your games, I know why you picked that username. That's not what I said, and you know that. There are SOME changes which would be bad. There are SOME changes which are not bad. You claim that ANY change is bad. THAT is where we disagree. Don't act like I'm saying that there is NO CASE where a change is bad.

      It's as if you are deliberately trying to avoid the actual issue to excuse what actually happened.

      Is that what it's like? Are you assuming that I know what actually happened, and that I'm then trying to excuse it? Why, because of my undying devotion to HRC? Go ahead, scan my post history, see how many times her campaign has paid me for Correcting The Record.

      I think the entire issue is that we don't know what happened, but that doesn't matter to people like you, up go the pitchforks. I'm tired of it, it's crap. How come there's all this smoke all over the place and no one has seen a fire? What's going on there? Are the people looking for the fire also creating the smoke? Is this the fire? Because this really doesn't look like a fire. This looks like a few words ("Yes on your point re records - done below.") which could easily have an explanation which does not change the MATERIAL FACTS OR SUBSTANCE of the email in ANY WAY. It could easily be much ado about nothing. Just like this conversation.

      Clinton was corrupt before this email came out, and she's still corrupt after it. What exactly does this change? Why are people trying to focus our attention here?

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    34. Re:Missing the point by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Yes, I would expect the IRS to get clarification from Trump on any question they might have. Why on earth wouldn't they?

      " If the New York Times wants a clarification on a quote that HRC made while she was Secretary of State, the correct person to ask is HRC herself"

      That's Time's decision, not State's.

      Comey admitted there was evidence, but that it would not be possible to find a prosecutor to act on it

      Have you looked into the classified emails they found? There were only a few. They were basically talking points for upcoming phone calls, and were probably mailed by accident because the classified marks weren't obvious. That isn't a crime, which is why she wasn't prosecuted.

      There's no evidence that Hilary was coordinating a deception with State. Even if she were, it would only be a crime if she were covering up criminal activity, but there's no evidence for that, either.

  9. Benghaaaaaazzzzziiiiiii! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget

    1. Re:Benghaaaaaazzzzziiiiiii! by DirkDaring · · Score: 1

      We won't.

  10. With no privilege by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not really clear that there's anything here. A news organization always checks with the subject of an article before running the article-- this is standard procedure, and it's also standard procedure to correct errors of fact that are pointed out-- it is desirable to do this BEFORE an article runs.
    I think they're stretching on this.

    While that's certainly true, it's also misdirection. A news organization checking the subject of an article isn't the point.

    It's that the government agency fielding the request gave the campaign a heads up, and took direction from the campaign about the response.

    That's collusion between government and the Clinton campaign.

    Are you comfortable with government agencies checking with a campaign (of their choosing) during an election?

    I'm not.

    And just to be clear, according to the Wikileaks document, this happened *after* she had left the state department and was running her campaign.

    She was, at the time, a citizen with no government authority or privilege.

    1. Re:With no privilege by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said. She should have no more rights than any other U.S. citizen yet she was granted special status and privvy to information the general public was not. One cannot look at this without reasonable doubt that there was Washington insider influence here. What is demonstrated here is corruption of our executive department that wasn't brought in-check by the legislative or judicial branch.

      Great quote from the movie "Clear and present danger" outlines how the real truth is always masked by the beltway overlords.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSs4KD-0tlI

    2. Re:With no privilege by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNN was reporting that it was already public information when the campaign was notified.

    3. Re:With no privilege by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "She was, at the time, a citizen with no government authority or privilege."

      If you believe that, you may be interested in my 44 foot dick that speaks 12 languages.

  11. Jordan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    King Abdullah is a benevolent dictator and is doing much better than the elected socialists in the rest of the world.

    1. Re:Jordan by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Yes. Lets make America more like Jordan. Next.

  12. How is this news for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    I get that Slashdot has an anti-Clinton agenda, but come on. Just because a thing was in an email doesn't make it news for nerds.

    1. Re:How is this news for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wikileaks = /. masturbation material

    2. Re: How is this news for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go fuck yourself.

  13. Clinton Crime Family is above the law by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    Comey was made an offer he couldn't refuse. Podesta is the Consigliere. Anyone else that did what she did would be serving serious time.

    1. Re:Clinton Crime Family is above the law by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      That's not true. The republicans and democrats may fight over elections, but they are absolutely on the same side when it comes to insulating politicians of both affiliations from criminal prosecution. This is why none of the Bush administration was ever prosecuted under the Obama administration. Trump is breaking from tradition in calling for Hillary to be jailed.

    2. Re:Clinton Crime Family is above the law by Bartles · · Score: 1

      It's about time that someone broke that Tradition. More important than ever, considering we have a Media that covers for like minded politicians.

    3. Re:Clinton Crime Family is above the law by kenh · · Score: 1

      That's not true. The republicans and democrats may fight over elections, but they are absolutely on the same side when it comes to insulating politicians of both affiliations from criminal prosecution. This is why none of the Bush administration was ever prosecuted under the Obama administration. Trump is breaking from tradition in calling for Hillary to be jailed.

      For what would members of the Bush administration have been prosecuted for? As a reminder, making a statement that is later proven wrong isn't "lying".

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    4. Re:Clinton Crime Family is above the law by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

      It certainly is about time someone broke that tradition. It's too bad that person is a total fucking idiot with no self control.

    5. Re:Clinton Crime Family is above the law by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      I don't think it would actually be that hard to prove that members of the Bush administration lied. It's not like you need to prove a intentional deception beyond any doubt, just beyond any reasonable doubt to a judge or jury.

      Secondly, there are many more things that the Bush administration could be charged besides lying, such as violating the constitution by illegally spying on people and for engaging in torture.

    6. Re:Clinton Crime Family is above the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget bush's total abrogation of the presidential records act by using... wait for it: a private email server. The magnitude of that crime alone makes clinton's email thing seem like nothing. it's literally a million times worse.

    7. Re:Clinton Crime Family is above the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "As a reminder, making a statement that is later proven wrong isn't "lying"."

      If the person making the statement knows they are wrong, then yes it is.

    8. Re:Clinton Crime Family is above the law by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      I don't think the number of emails deleted is significant at all. It's quite possible to delete a million benign emails and to delete only 1 super incriminating email. As far as I am concerned they are equally guilty in terms of trying to destroy information and being dishonest about it, although it is entirely possible that the information itself that Bush destroyed could be more incriminating. And once again, the number of emails deleted makes no difference. If Bush has intentionally deleted only 1 email he would be just as corrupt.

    9. Re:Clinton Crime Family is above the law by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      Shhhh. Don't bring that up. The Trump Hivemind doesn't appreciate facts.

  14. Good Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But the middle of an election campaign isn't the best time to run this through the media grinder, every interesting tidbit end sup looking like a fresh scandal.

    Good point. Too bad she lied at every step, deleted evidence at every step, colluded with the DOJ to bury this investigation, and then lied more about it. You are right, it shouldn't be coming up now, but the ONLY person responsible for it still going on is Clinton herself. If the DOJ didn't try and bury the Clinton Foundation investigation, they would be done now. If Clinton didn't have to delete 33,000 emails, there would be no new ones that the FBI is currently looking at.

    So, the way I see it Clinton is the only one responsible for it still going on. She refused to testify to Congress for like 18 months because of a "head injury" that she won't answer questions about either. Yep, this would all be 18 months further along if she didn't fake being sick.

    I would feel bad, but she lied under oath to Congress, and not under oath to the citizens of the US. She lied to the families of those killed while working for her as well. Someone who can do that doesn't deserve respect.

  15. News for nerds, stuff that matters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    No and no.

    Nerds don't care at this point about all these stories.
    They don't matter because this election is going to be the most embarrassing landslide in ordern history in the US.

    So please stop putting these on the front page.

  16. Selective Quoting For A Meme-Oriented World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares what the full context of a communication is! Just selectively quote, drop insinuations, and move on to the next batch before people realize you were just blowing smoke up their ass. Continue each and every day until the election, just to make sure your target doesn't have an opportunity to mount a fact-based response. For our modern, advertising-driven news cycle, this stuff is gold and much easier to cover than a story that requires investigation, background, and understanding to present a story to the consumer....err, public.

    When Wikileaks has actual "whistleblowing" content, major news organizations lined up to get exclusive access to break the story; at this point, they are just putting a couple shovels of their stolen content online each day to keep the piranhas biting.

  17. Re:Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And make them pay for it.

  18. I'll just go and leave this by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    right here.

    Call me a troll all you want, but my God, if this is the worst we can dig up on Hillary after 20 years of non-stop character assassination then she's practically Christ (Obama gets to be God, since we haven't found jack on him).

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    1. Re:I'll just go and leave this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, You're a troll. Happy now?

    2. Re:I'll just go and leave this by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

      No, but I'll be happy on Nov 8th if Trump loses. Not that I expect sunshine and kitty cats with a Clinton victory. But if there's two things life has taught me is that a) it can always be worse and b) I don't want it to be.

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    3. Re: I'll just go and leave this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Finally some sanity on this site.

    4. Re:I'll just go and leave this by Bartles · · Score: 2

      How did that press conference go?

    5. Re:I'll just go and leave this by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      > if this is the worst we can dig up on Hillary after 20 years of non-stop character assassination

      You're confusing *worst with *latest. This isn't the worst, it's just part of a pattern since Bill was governor and issues were perennially raised.
      I don't think it's character assassination when the corruption is so blatant. Trump is a moron. Again, not character assassination, imo. He hasn't even had the opportunity to be politically corrupt yet.

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    6. Re:I'll just go and leave this by dbreeze · · Score: 1

      She pulled out of the conference out of fear... https://www.youtube.com/watch?... http://losangeles.cbslocal.com...

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    7. Re:I'll just go and leave this by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      Yep. And give me a couple of days and I'll find someone who claimed you raped her when she was 12. I just need to go to the bank and make a withdrawal... If this was true it would have come out a long time ago--HRC could have used it to kill him off early and be coasting right now. Based on all we've heard and read about the Clintons and their machine it's going to take a decent level of evidence for thinking folks to believe this.

    8. Re:I'll just go and leave this by houghi · · Score: 1

      Obviously we did not find anything on Obama. The Kenian administration is a mess. Almost as bad as the American one.

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    9. Re:I'll just go and leave this by halivar · · Score: 1

      The John Gotti defense.

    10. Re:I'll just go and leave this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting that you think the incompetent buffoon is more dangerous than the highly competent but inescapably corrupt politician.

      I get it that the latest revelations don't move the needle for you. If the $100k payoff from Tyson Chicken almost 40 years ago didn't get you to a no, nothing else was going to do it.

      Today's payoffs are much more transparent than the Tyson investment deal.... they just hand over hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars for speaking fees or no-show jobs for her husband or millions to their charitable foundation that ferries them around the world on private jets like royalty. It takes a special set of rose colored glasses to avoid seeing this level of corruption for what it is.

    11. Re:I'll just go and leave this by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      It takes a special set of rose colored glasses to avoid seeing this level of corruption for what it is.

      So I take it you're voting 3rd party, then? Because it takes a VERY special set of rose-colored glasses to avoid seeing Trump for what he really is.

      Either that or you're a hypocrite with a special case of cognitive dissonance.

  19. Alt Right Definition by alternative_right · · Score: 1

    Handy Alt Right Definition:

    http://www.amerika.org/politic...

    You can also go to the source:

    http://alternative-right.blogs...

    1. Re:Alt Right Definition by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

      Shaka, when the walls fell; Hypatia, when the library burned. The armies of Ur at Uruk. The monument to Ozymandias revealed.

  20. Emails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still not worse than Trump.

    You suckers. Nothing will change under Trump. He's just out for himself and will say whatever he has to (and flip flip as we have seen) to get there.

    1. Re:Emails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Nothing will change under Trump

      I'm very sure you meant Clinton.

  21. Fraud Fatigue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure about everyone else but I have fraud fatigue. The daily, new revelations about Clintons fraud, deception and other ill actions that make up the Clinton/DNC scope of universe. I know its normal to get numb after hearing about new revelations non-stop but their deception is on so many levels it is quite worrying. 650,000+ emails means they have basically everything. Every evil bit of information is there.

    There must have been absolute bombshells in those emails for a Federal judge to look at the evidence and grant the warrant.

  22. Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at all by raymorris · · Score: 5, Informative

    Navy machinist Kristian Saucier took some selfies aboard ship and is in prison for it right now. Saucier didn't send the pictures to anyone. Having the classified information (pictures of the interior of the ship) on a non-secure device is a crime, and Saucier is in prison for that crime.

    Clinton instructed her staff on how to send classified information "remove markings and send insecure". She intentionally instructed staff to do what Saucier did (have info on an unsecured device) AND more- also Clinton had it sent over the public internet.

  23. The DOJ also leaked to Hil about the investigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    'cause apparently the entire Obama administration has made it a priority to fund, support, and defend the Clinton Crime Family.

  24. Hypocrits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First off, Trump is an asshole. Second, if this was a Republican candidate you would be calling for their arrest and commending Wikileaks for their brave whistle blowing. But hey, agenda at all cost, right?

    1. Re:Hypocrits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I would be calling for an investigation. This is the problem with all these people they all "know" and want to due away with due process. I don't know and want an investigation which surprisingly Republicans are not calling for. Really makes you think.

  25. Re: Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Know a Radio Room officer who went to jail when a TS document found its way into a trash can instead of the burn bag.

    HE didn't even handle the damn document. He was just the officer in charge of the space.

    So, yes. The rules are quite different depending on who your friends are, who you are and how much financial influence you can wave around.

    Folks go to jail for far less than what Hillary has pulled which is the biggest problem with the whole damn thing.

    Why the fuck is she treated any different than anyone else ?

  26. Re:Key word: Stolen by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    just get it over with so I don't have to see Drumpf's face and hear his voice constantly on every goddamn website I go to, including this one.

    If Trump wins, I hear that people sometimes go on long voyages on freighters to the South Seas. Some of those ships are completely out of range of common modern communications networks for weeks and weeks. You might book yourself passage on one. They have a limited number of passenger compartments and are working ships, not luxury liners. You might like the isolation.

  27. Re: The DOJ also leaked to Hil about the investiga by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. he has irrationally been against her since she published the pictures of him Muslim garb and started the whole birther nonsense.

  28. Re: Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I remember what happened when someone accidentally emailed a document that was marked Top Secret. It wasn't. It was generated on an unclassified machine. But someone had forgotten to configure the classification level somewhere, so all documents generated had a "TS/SCI" banner stamped on the top. Even though they were just junk test data.

    I'm not entirely certain what happened to the guy who sent the email - I'm not sure if they kept their job - but the entire network was down for the cleanup.

    And, again, that was the cleanup involved in something that was merely MARKED Top Secret, despite not BEING Top Secret.

    I don't even want to SEE what would happen if someone leaked actual classified information.

  29. Igor, You have opened my eyes Crooks Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Igor you have opened my eyes with your prepping of "sinister" followed by a link to an email so I will see it in sinister light. Our boss will be pleased. I shall now read the email and see the sinister:

    OMG, the Crooked Clinton, that is how she found out about the "Oversight Hearing" instead of looking it up in the schedule. OMG! The Crooked Clinton and her Crooked Ways, are so CROOKED! Assange for President 2016! Make America Great Again!

    "Fwd: Heads up

    From:john.podesta@gmail.com
    To: jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com, bfallon@hillaryclinton.com, cheryl.mills@gmail.com, hsamuelson@cdmillsgroup.com, kschake@hillaryclinton.com, nmerrill@hillaryclinton.com
    Date: 2015-05-19 11:12
    Subject: Fwd: Heads up

    Additional chances for mischief.

    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    From: *Peter Kadzik*
    Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2015
    Subject: Heads up
    To: John Podesta

    There is a HJC oversight hearing today where the head of our Civil Division
    will testify. Likely to get questions on State Department emails. Another
    filing in the FOIA case went in last night or will go in this am that
    indicates it will be awhile (2016) before the State Department posts the
    emails."

    1. Re:Igor, You have opened my eyes Crooks Clinton by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Look it up in the schedule? This is the DOJ interviewing a witness to a crime.

      They don't normally send agendas to private citizens through third parties regarding what they'll talk about.

    2. Re:Igor, You have opened my eyes Crooks Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right, there is no schedule for the House Judicial Oversight Committee (nudge nudge wink wink), and certainly not on the web at all with a ICS link even. Thank god for your clarity and honesty comrade. You would not find such a thing by Yandex'ing for it!

      The crooked Clinton! in hoots ka with Crooked Obama!

        Xenographic you have opened my eyes, yet again, with your convincing and unbiased reveals .

  30. drip drip drip by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    Do we really want another 4 years of this shit? Then again, is Trump any better? WTF peeps. Don't look at me, I live in California and the nominees were settled long before I had a say.

  31. Re:Key word: Stolen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Story today is they are likely to indite soon.

    Podesta said they needed to dump the emails the day the NYT reported on the server, and 30,000 were deleted about a week later.
    DOJ contacted Clinton campaign and coordinated the release of information to the the least amount of damage.
    Lynch, head of the DOJ, did everything possible to bury and stop the investigation into the Clinton Foundation (or this would have been over)
    #2 in FBI, and leading Clinton investigation, got a $675,000 "donation" to his wife's campaign as he took over and failed to recuse himself and prevented any grand jury, warrants, or anything else common in such investigations.
    Clintons got a $100 million "donation" when approving sale of uranium to Russia, and FAILED TO REPORT IT, and failed to report it on taxes and had to refile when caught.

    Yea, I think you are right, it was just for convenience. Nothing looks out of sort with any of the above, each of which is a felony for the person committing it. But that sounds unreasonable and convenience sounds far more likely.

  32. Re: Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why the fuck is she treated any different than anyone else ?

    Because she's better than your sorry asses in every way and is having the FEMA camps prepped and is distributing those hundreds of millions of rounds of hollow-point ammo the Feds have been buying up to DHS and other domestic security forces even as we speak. Keep running your mouths against Clinton and you won't make it to the camps alive. Think of your families and STFU.

  33. Re:Key word: Stolen by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

    If Trump wins,

    Seriously, if Trump wins, do you really think he's gunna stick to it? Once he sees he can't just bully and bluster his way to get shit done in our political system, I bet money he resigns and let's Pence deal with it. Even if he doesn't publicly resign, behind the curtails, Pence will be running this show. Trump has no clue how to work in government.

    Like I said, I don't care. If Trump wins, it'll definitely be as entertaining as this entire election as been.

  34. Nobody Cares About Emails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is nothing more than a distraction from the election.

  35. Yes Alexi, you are well informed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes Alexi, you have some nicely talking point there. I am impressed that you do your job for so few rubles.

    I shall now Google all these people to try to understand the complex plot that you are revealing.... OMG.... My typical American urban black male eyes cannot believe what I am reading. Is it so clear to me that Crooked Clinton should not be elected.

    I shall show this damning evidence of crookness to my wife, a normal lesbian woman in 30-50 year old demographic, that she is wrong about The Donald Trump, and that voting for Trump will empower her woman bits.

    Also his weird sounds, sound crooked to me!

    1. Re:Yes Alexi, you are well informed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm Sergei, you insensitive clod!

  36. Shhhh by s.petry · · Score: 2

    You are going to blow the narrative!

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  37. Re:Key word: Stolen by dbreeze · · Score: 1

    I don't believe you've taken a very close look at what's been revealed. Building personal fortunes of $ and power out of access to, and abuse of, strategic controls of OUR government is at the core of Clinton Inc. This is not a new thing for any of us old enough to remember when Bill was Gov of Arkansas. "Slick Willy" goes waaay back.

    The FBI director's conclusion was that there was insufficient evidence of intent, not that there was no intent. That infuriated enough of the lower ranks involved that the Weiner laptop was brought into the fray and it now appears that Comey has the evidence of intent he was missing before.

      All this is subject to what bombshells drop tomorrow of course...

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  38. The CIA warned Trump about Aleppo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the CIA warned Trump about Russian attacks on Alleppo. Attacking our faction and our guys.

    I think that's far more troubling. They shouldn't be giving security briefings to a candidate more loyal to a foreign President than his own countries.

  39. Ding! Dong! The witch is dead! by HanzoSpam · · Score: 1
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    Progressivism: Parasites helping parasites to help themselves - to other people's stuff.
    1. Re:Ding! Dong! The witch is dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I saw that article. The FBI guys doing the investigation wanted indictments on the private server in the first place. It isn't their call.

      FWIW, the cop always thinks the guy he caught is guilty. The prosecutor doesn't always agree that it is a case worth pursuing in court. So having a disagreement between the investigator and they guy calling the shots on the prosecution isn't exactly unheard of. Still, it is quite suspicious that the FBI director cited mens rea as the reason for not issuing an indictment, when the law specifically excludes mens rea from the criteria for prosecution for this crime.

  40. Assange should be Vice President, not Pence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To get your own 'Crooked Heads up of super secret crook Clinton crook meetings...."

    erm,

    Simply go here and add the calendar to your Google one. It's public published information.
    https://judiciary.house.gov/calendar/

    But hey, SUPER CROOK CLINTON ATE MY BABIES!

    Trump should make Julian Assange vice President. He's trying harder to elect Trump than Mike Pence.

  41. Re:Trump by lucm · · Score: 1

    With what? Food stamps?

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  42. Turd Blossom's Handiwork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That "raped a 13 year old" claim filed against Trump was during the Primaries against a certain Jeb Bush (and his backer Turd Blossom). It sounds an awful lot like the one filed against Clinton, which had lots of similar things.

    Yep, its Karl Rove turd blossom's handiwork I think. Filing it in the Primaries when Jeb still had a chance pretty much gives it away.

    I see you lot want to pretend its Clinton, but the similarities are tooo close.

  43. Don't worry no one be punnished by almostadnsguy · · Score: 1

    I mean except all normal Americans. We will either end up with a Douche or the Turd Sandwich. Both are dirty lying greedy spotlight whores. Hillary is Stalin and Trump is Hitler. One's in the pocket of the Russians and the other is Owned by the Chinese. The American people can get nothing good out of this train-wreck of an election. I feel sorry for us all.

  44. Re: Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Know a Radio Room officer who went to jail when a TS document found its way into a trash can instead of the burn bag.

    HE didn't even handle the damn document. He was just the officer in charge of the space.

    So, yes. The rules are quite different depending on who your friends are, who you are and how much financial influence you can wave around.

    Folks go to jail for far less than what Hillary has pulled which is the biggest problem with the whole damn thing.

    Why the fuck is she treated any different than anyone else ?

    Because she was Secretary Of State and had the authority to classify / declassify information originating in the state department. Whether you agree with her handling of info or not, at least get the facts straight.

  45. Re:Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Navy machinist Kristian Saucier took some selfies aboard ship and is in prison for it right now. Saucier didn't send the pictures to anyone. Having the classified information (pictures of the interior of the ship) on a non-secure device is a crime, and Saucier is in prison for that crime.

    Clinton instructed her staff on how to send classified information "remove markings and send insecure". She intentionally instructed staff to do what Saucier did (have info on an unsecured device) AND more- also Clinton had it sent over the public internet.

    She had the authority to declassify info originating in the state dept. Stupid? Yes. Illegal? Nope. When she told them to remove the markings she was defacto declassifying it. It's not even close to the same situation as the guy who took selfies of classified military hardware. That's why the FBI has no case. All they can really do is make her look bad, which is not their job.

  46. The DOJ is not investigative by s.petry · · Score: 1

    The FBI has the devices of most people currently under investigation. Weiner's cache of 650,000 emails is most likely a full dump of every Clinton email received given the number. If you don't understand the reason for holding those you have no sense of being part of a criminal conspiracy and the need to protect yourself from other party members.

    There are plenty of facts to be had to indict not just Clinton, but a large number of people from the Democratic Party, numerous PACs, the DOJ, the State Department, and possibly members of the executive staff. The fact that the DOJ has been actively suppressing information is being undermined by Wikileaks, and pressed by the members of Intelligence agencies who have integrity.

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    1. Re:The DOJ is not investigative by DirkDaring · · Score: 1

      What odd is that hardly anyone is asking WHY or HOW those emails got on his laptop.

    2. Re:The DOJ is not investigative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weiner's cache of 650,000 emails is most likely a full dump of every Clinton email received given the number. If you don't understand the reason for holding those you have no sense of being part of a criminal conspiracy and the need to protect yourself from other party members.

      Or she just had a Pop client on that laptop and didn't clean anything up. In that case it would have all of her email, perhaps from several different accounts, not just her Yahoo account. It likely doesn't have all of Hillary's email, just all of Huma's email. Which would include email to Hillary's private server account. (or maybe accounts... could there be another account that isn't yet disclosed?)

      I'd say that notions of conspiracy CYA is plausible, but way premature. It is much easier to explain this by Huma logging in to an email account or two from that laptop a couple of times and not realizing that it was still there gathering emails. If this was her CYA deadman's switch it would more likely be on a thumb drive in a safe somewhere.

    3. Re:The DOJ is not investigative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you put the wiener in the hole that fits and 'transfers' of data happen. As to why... Are you saying you don't like sticking your wiener in holes?

    4. Re:The DOJ is not investigative by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Quite a bit off with your statements.
      1. Huma already testified that she sent _every_ email sent to Clinton to her Yahoo account. She did so because in her own words "it made it easy to print". She also testified that she hand carried a burn bag and often left it in her car unattended.
      2. There are already numerous leaks saying that the emails are not just copies of those "to: Hillary" but mail sent "from: Hillary". Multiple accounts is likely, that does not make it less detrimental to Hillary. In fact it may make it much more detrimental to her and remove any doubt regarding intent.
      3. An offline deadman's switch would require constant updates. Activity that would be easier to pick up by other actors. Remember, these people are not stupid. Huma excusing herself to powder her nose with a laptop too many times would certainly raise suspicions. There may also be an offline cache, but the online cache is still much more likely. These people are being investigated for a steady stream of crimes, not a one time crime and coverup.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    5. Re:The DOJ is not investigative by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of facts to be had to indict not just Clinton, but a large number of people from the Democratic Party, numerous PACs, the DOJ, the State Department...

      You don't get it. The laws are vague because they are written by politicians, who are not the brightest humans we have. For one, they want to dump details onto the courts and jurors instead of think and commit to solid positions. I've been on juries where we are stuck for several hours interpreting vague language.

      Vagueness means those with expensive lawyers get out of stuff, in EITHER party, because they know how to leverage vagueness.

      Whether that's fair or not, that's the way things currently operate in the USA.

  47. Assange's, Will We Survive Your Revenge? by BrendaEM · · Score: 0

    I know this won't be popular, but I hate Trump will all of my heart. He is the least honorable politician I have ever witnessed in my life, worse even than Nixon.

    Trump is a useless spoiled rotten rich kid who has always gotten his way. Everyone is trying to placate him so he and his people doesn't start a insurrection. I say, vote your consequence, and let the chips fall where they may.

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    1. Re:Assange's, Will We Survive Your Revenge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me it is TPP. I dont care about any of the other junk. That is just political noise. TPP must go away.

    2. Re:Assange's, Will We Survive Your Revenge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You sound like the spoiled (and uneducated) brat. Trump isn't a politician, which is part of his attraction by many Americans who are sick of politicians. Pull your head out of your bum.

  48. The Russians, the FBI and Wikileaks all united by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To elect the next USA president. But if they so very much wanted this to happen, why didn't they act before and presented the republicans with a least groping candidate? For the next election, I'd would be nice to have candidates that are a better fit for the world's largest economic power on Earth -if we are still here.

  49. What has happened to Slashdot? by shanen · · Score: 1

    Yours is the first visible comment that I would classify as sane. Maybe my memory is shot, but I seem to remember rational political discussions not so many years ago, and in general Slashdot had more than most other venues. This time around, Slashdot is FAR crazier than average.

    Right now I think there are two hypotheses: (1) Computer-induced insanity, and (2) Hacker attack.

    The first hypotheses is based on my old suspicion that too much computer use could be bad for mental hygiene. Actually expressed that theory at least 30 years ago, but the evidence looks more and more clear. Perhaps mostly related to the propensity of people to believe what they want to believe, but now the "personalized" searches make it possible to get infinite amounts of evidence for any insane thing you like. However, my next book is The Shallows , which (per secondhand reports) is taking a different approach to the problem.

    The second hypothesis would involve capture of dormant accounts, and Slashdot might have become a favored target precisely because of the technical bias. Great test site for state-sponsored hackers, and yes, I am thinking of the Russians in particular.

    Perhaps Slashdot will recover after the election, but it's sad to see things in such a state.

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    1. Re:What has happened to Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      No, it's the first visible comment that agrees with you. You're now rationalizing a state of facts that agrees with what you believe.

      You've simply been in a filter bubble, so you're not aware of all the stuff discovered on /r/wikileaks or the fact that DKIM signatures can be used to authenticate said emails, because you've only been reading the things you agree with and you weren't aware of just how much of Hillary's corruption has been exposed.

    2. Re:What has happened to Slashdot? by shanen · · Score: 1

      Read that book, and it does NOT mean what you obviously think it means. You're also wrong about everything else you wrote, but who's counting. Can't blame you for hiding as a coward. Anonymous cowards are perhaps the most cowardly of all?

      Anyway, I only peeked because I was curious if I should thank you for undoing your mod. Guess not, though I almost feel like thanking you for helping to prove so many of my points..

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  50. TEH ROOSHUNS by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    If Vladimir Putin wanted to influence American politics, why didn't he just make a donation to the Clinton Foundation?

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  51. It's good to know who said what. by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    I don't agree. I think it's always good to have the specifics to hand. It's helpful to be able to point out salient details and understand more about context regarding why powerful people make the decisions they do. Historically, it will be more valuable in ways we don't yet know just as having old newspapers scanned and OCRed turns out to be helpful. If Clinton becomes the next US President, I suspect people will continue to find interesting connections to (then current) policy choices and something she told the banks but wouldn't tell the public (like how a lot of Syrians are going to die in her Syrian "no-fly zone"). It's already been helpful to put her alleged support for women into proper context by showing how she's the more dangerous of the two major party candidates with regard to women. Trump will use ugly language and he may grope women in arms reach (as he is alleged to have done to about a dozen women that we know of), and this is certainly bad for those women and their families. But it's not murder. Clinton will kill many more women halfway around the world (possibly including Americans like Obama did in the drone war against the al-Awlaki father and son pair of men). That's objectively worse.

  52. Re:Meetings are scheduled by yuriklastalov · · Score: 1

    Right, because Russia doesn't have real assets in place to get their hands on security briefings and have to rely on manipulating a (notoriously unpredictable) candidate for President into funneling them secrets in the middle of the most scrutinized election in American history?

    Makes perfect sense.

  53. propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even the New York Times which openly opposes Trump admits the FBI has looked into Russia-Putin-Trump ties and found NOTHING.

    This is the same sort of big bold lie that the Democrats spread last election cycle about Romney being a tax cheat, which after the election Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) admitted was a lie but successfully helped torpedo Romney. Reid had told that lie on the Senate floor where he knew that the press would run with it but the Constitution would prevent him being prosecuted for libel or slander (he knew most Americans were too de-educated to know that he was gaming the system to fool them).

    The Democrats are far better at being evil in election cycles than the feckless GOP. Every damn election cycle, Gloria Allred calls press conferences and announces that she is representing some poor young female "victim" (often multiple "victims") of a Republican and then after the election *POOF* they all scurry away never to be seen again (remember all the women she trotted out as "victims" of Herman Cain?). Keep voting for the dirtbags that the dirtbag propagandists tell you to vote for! It's been working really well, hasn't it?

    I suspect there's a reason why all the super-rich in both parties and on Wall St who've been getting fat-and-happy are backing team Hillary with their money, their votes, and their activism - and there's NOTHING in it for the declining middle class or the stagnant lower class.

    1. Re: propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's assuming it's a zero sum game and that a president cannot destroy a country for everyone: rich and poor.

    2. Re:propaganda by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Gloria Allred calls press conferences and announces that she is representing some poor young female "victim" (often multiple "victims") of a Republican and then after the election *POOF* they all scurry away never to be seen again (remember all the women she trotted out as "victims" of Herman Cain?)

      Well, they aren't legally actionable, especially since they happened so long ago. And of course, any time that sexual harassment happens in private, it's he said / she said. No one reported it to the police at the time for understandable reasons. This was the 90s, no one is accusing Cain of sexual violence or rape or anything. What we do know is Sharon Bialek told her boyfriend at the time about it in 1997, and that she was upset, so this wasn't just some incident manufactured in 2011. Herman Cain had admitted to paying some of these women hush money, but did not recall how much.

  54. Vote H- to cement that corrupt tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Bushes are good friends with the Clintons, (Bush Sr has said he thinks of Billl and Hill as "family") and the Bushes will be voting Clinton.

    The Republicans in the Senate always seem just too incompetent to hold any Democrat president accountable
    The Democrats in the Senate always seem just too incompetent to hold most Republican presidents accountable

    The dirty little secret is that every senator thinks he/she's looking at a future president when looking into a mirror, and none wants to do something that sets the precedent that would be used against THEM in their future presidency. It's a big fat happy corrupto-club of people who move to Washington to "represent the people" while actually forgetting the people and getting fabulously rich while earning a $200K annual salary.

    If Hillary gets elected, the precedent will be set that nearly unlimited political corruption over decades on the way to the White House will be REWARDED

    Trump's the world's most imperfect candidate, but he may be the last chance to scuttle the bi-partisan toxic political machine of the WashingtonDC-NewYorkCity corridor. The elites of DC and NYC despise him and he'll be lucky if he gets elected and they don't impeach him; they NEED to convince the population that there is no hope of actual reform and what better way then to eliminate the only viable person to get this far in a century while opposed by the power brokers.

  55. say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hmmm so you use Nixon as your marker for evil and corruption, then rate Trump (who has done NOTHING Nixon-like) worse than Nixon...
    and are thus apparently willing to either actively or passively support Hillary (who has done much worse than Nixon) rising to power...
    even now that you know she's been aided by corruption at the State Department, the FBI, the IRS, etc.

    --WOW--

    The really disturbing thing here is this:

    In Nixon's Watergate there were a bunch of government employees who came clean or who quit rather than participate in the corruption. In the current situation however, State Dept officials were colluding with Justice Dept and FBI officials and communicating with ALL the mainstream journalist outlets about this stuff WITH NO APPARENT FEAR OF BEING EXPOSED OR PUNISHED. People at State should have been too scared of prosecution to pick up the phone and attempt to bribe the FBI. People in the DNC and Hillary campaign and State Dept should have been too scared that if they exchanged ideas about all this stuff with the press, SOMEBODY in the press would out them. Entire institutions have clearly become completely corrupt to such an extent that this stuff is all now the new normal and THAT should scare EVERY sane person.

  56. Re: Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    Know a Radio Room officer who went to jail when a TS document found its way into a trash can instead of the burn bag. HE didn't even handle the damn document. He was just the officer in charge of the space.

    Smells like bullshit to me, frankly.

    Fuckups happen which classified information. Everyone who works around it knows this. People have lost their jobs if the fuckups are serious enough but generally, they're sent to extra training because the people in charge of the rules aren't total fucking morons. If you make the consequences for screwing up too severe then people will attempt to hide things which only makes it worse.

    Maybe rules are different in the military from civilian life, but I doubt they're that different.

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  57. Re: Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by vux984 · · Score: 1

    So, yes. The rules are quite different depending on who your friends are, who you are and how much financial influence you can wave around.

    All these 'low level flunkie sent to prison for the same thing' anecdotes that people trot out to compare to clinton... most of their fates were sealed because they confessed to committing a crime when they were questioned.

    As they say, rule 1 for talking to the police is don't talk to the police. The biggest predictor for the outcome in a lot of these cases is that they talked to the police and made a confession to a crime before they even spoke to a lawyer.

    There is obviously a correlation between wealth and legal representation. But the *causal* element, and primary predictor is legal advice not wealth -- keep your damn mouth shut and get a lawyer even if you aren't rich... and suddenly the so called "special rules that apply to clinton and keep her out of jail when lesser fools end up in jail" largely apply to you too.

    If the police have to prosecute one case based on complicated technical evidence, and another based on the fact that the defendant confessed to the crime ... well guess which lawsuit is more likely to prevail? Guess which one is more likely to even proceed.

    If you hand the prosecution your conviction on a silver platter, you'll be prosecuted and convicted. It's that simple.

  58. Reset Button Working by Tom · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Hello USA, tech support here. It appears that your political system has hanged itself. Both of your candidates (and thanks to the broken two-party system, none of the others have a chance) are total crap and they both belong behind bars, not into the White House.

    Try to find the reset button and press it.

    Seriously, can't you just jail those bastards and restart the whole election process? Keep Obama for one more year while you elect someone who is not a clear and proven criminal?

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  59. Nope, there's a process. One part right by raymorris · · Score: 1

    You are correct that she has no say as the classifying and declassifying information not owned by State. (Which generally means produced by State, but not exactly multiple departments frequently produce documents or other artifacts containing the same information.

    You're talking to people who know a little bit about the topic, so making shit up only makes you look foolish. There's a well-defined process for declassifying information, involving multiple people. Emailing it to your buddies is not how that process works.

  60. Another gofundme link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try this gofundme link

    I heard that several of the campaigns had to be taken down/changed or whatever to satisfy the gofundme people.

  61. Re:Does Sweden work well? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 0

    Sweden is not in the NATO, dumbass.

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  62. Re: Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Deus Ex isn't an instruction manual, but damn if at times thing's don't get ... weird.

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  63. Mohammed Doesn't Use Email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mohammed: Did you see Mohammed at the meeting today?
    Mohammed: No, but his brother Mohammed showed up.
    Mohammed: What did Mohammed talk about?
    Mohammed: Mohammed introduced us to Mohammed who is also a mason!
    Mohammed: A mason? No shit? How long has he been one?
    Mohammed: About five years. He was referred to the local lodge by Mohammed.
    Mohammed: Ah, yes, Mohammed. He has a shit ton of connections around town!
    Mohammed: Yes, and our brothers, police be upon them, Mohammed and Mohammed from Egypt came, too.
    Mohammed: I've been thinking of becoming a clown.
    Mohammed: A clown, Mohammed, why?
    Mohammed: So I can film myself being gay.
    Mohammed: Oh, you.
    Mohammed: So anyway, is Mohammed, Mohammed, and Mohammed coming to the next party?
    Mohammed: Indeed. Mohammed was so funny last time.
    Mohammed: Well it wouldn't be a party without Mohammed.
    Mohammed: Yes, my friend. POLICE BE UPON THEM!

  64. Yes we do by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    Apparently some have not gotten the message yet

  65. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares? Get used to sayin "Madame President" you limp little shits.

  66. Much ado about nothing by Xabraxas · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Again. This is nothing. She and her aides WERE the State Department at the time. Of course her input was needed. It's amazing how people make so much about boring everyday shit with the Hillary but completely ignore the horrible or completely stupid things every other Presidential candidate has said. She gets shit on for doing her job, or being a politician, or being upset she was cheated on. All normal shit. None of the other candidates know shit about foreign policy in a very delicate time internationally. Trump is a narcissistic sexual assault machine who makes the average bro blush. Johnson is an airhead that looks like a deer in headlights whenever he is interviewed. Jill Stein is an anti-vaxxer, need I say more? How is this even a decision to be made? One person running for President is qualified. I'm sorry you don't lover her but the others are just a complete disaster.

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    1. Re:Much ado about nothing by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      You're lying. She was not with the State Department. Liar. She was not the Secretary of State. She is the former Secretary of State.

    2. Re:Much ado about nothing by backwardsposter · · Score: 1

      This comment is sad, in that it's either intentionally misleading, or just ignorant. Much like the voting rhetoric of mainstream American today.

      It'll be fun when Hillary is president, people have forgotten about Trump, and she just gets DESTROYED by everything she's sown. That or she gets away with everything because of apologists like you. I'm hoping many people like you come around after she's president, better late than never.

  67. Re:Key word: Stolen by Xabraxas · · Score: 1

    It's not entertaining anymore. Trump is a one-trick pony and his trick has worn thin at this point. Narcissistic man-child is only entertaining in small doses and we ODed a long time ago.

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  68. political buffets vs package deals by unixisc · · Score: 2

    Here in the US, most political positions are package deals. If you're for universal healthcare, you're also for amnesty and vice versa. God forbid we accept one and reject the other.

    This is why Trump is pretty important. He's rejecting certain traditional positions and accepting others.

    This!!! Absolutely this! While I'm generally on the Right (forget neocon/alt-right/whatever other brand there is), there are some Democrat positions that I'm willing to not just consider, but also support. Like on Trade Deals, I'm w/ Trump, but his policy was anathema to the GOP until last year - only Pat Buchanan ever had that position. On abortion, I'm for it being legal in the first trimester, no questions asked (as long as both parents approve) but it being outlawed in the third. While that violates the NARAL orthodoxy, it also violates those pro-Lifers like Walker, Cruz, Rubio and Huckabee, who believe that it begins at conception and wouldn't allow even rape/incest exceptions. On Foreign Policy, I'm for withdrawing from the Middle East and banning Muslims. The first part is more compatible w/ the Democrat position, while the latter is not Republican - it's just Trump's position (supported by the base, but opposed by the party pooh baahs, who don't risk getting killed at random places like San Bernardino, Chattanooga, Orlando, Boston, et al)

    The best example of the opposite of what you mentioned is Cruz. I understand his principles on his foreign policy, his opposition to amnesty, et al, but he then goes ahead to do a blanket embrace of all the party signature issues to make himself a purist. Like there was no reason for him to oppose the Commerce Department losing its oversight of ICANN (particularly given that he would abolish the department itself if he had his way). But there he is, opposing ICANN going 'international' just b'cos the 'US loses control of the internet' - something it doesn't have.

    To use a food analogy, it's like going to a food court and picking out any combination of things you like, and going to the table. Contrast this w/ getting an assorted plate, where you get something like 6 different items, of which you may not like 2 or 3. It would be nice if we could in politics select candidates who have different viewpoints on different topics, and we then get to support the one whose combination most matches our own.

  69. Re:Does Sweden work well? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    If you have a small enough population in a large, resource rich country, it will work pretty well, no matter what. For the same reason that Libya worked pretty well under Gadaffi, despite having a command economy

  70. Re:Key word: Stolen by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

    Hmm... that doesn't sound like a bad idea. One could even circle the globe that way. Get away from all this shit for just under 80 days. Maybe write a novel or something.

  71. Re:Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, no, no. All of you are approaching this wrong. They are not "camps" they are Federal Safe Spaces. They will put themselves there. Then, make them pay for it through their student loan money, youtube, and patreon proceeds.

    It has already begun. Those Federal Safe Spaces are called Liberal Arts colleges.

  72. A bald guy with a shaved head as president... by RumGunner · · Score: 1

    Superman will not be happy about that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  73. Re:Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clinton instructed her staff on how to send classified information "remove markings and send insecure". She intentionally instructed staff to do what Saucier did (have info on an unsecured device) AND more- also Clinton had it sent over the public internet.

    When will this stupid myth die?
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/01/10/hillary-clinton-says-nonpaper-email-a-nonissue/

  74. Re: Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can confirm what you say. Fuckups happen.
    But remember this is hillary and all that matters is that she's a bitch.
    So of course she committed treason. That's just the facts after all.

  75. Re: Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not just confessed, there was evidence of intent. Like the Saucier guy who deliberately went back and deleted the photos from devices the investigators had just asked him about in the interview.

    But details don't matter. We all know hillary is a bitch. So whenever she does anything, that's unequivocal proof of criminality.

  76. Re:Does Sweden work well? by mi · · Score: 1

    Sweden is not in the NATO, dumbass.

    Keep you irrelevant comments to yourself, asshole. Talk civil or fuck off.

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    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
  77. Re: Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

    You mean the same FEMA camps that were alleged to be used by Obama on people who were registered gun owners? Grow up and quit sucking Alex Jones' tit of conspiracy propoganda.

  78. Re: Does Sweden work well? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    It is relevant, but apparently an expat from the European Zimbabwe is too stupid to understand it.

    --
    "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
  79. So what? by p0larity · · Score: 1

    Why does that even matter?

    On the other side you have an awful businessman, an awful man, and a really shitty plan that will bankrupt your country and only serve to make the rich not pay a bit of taxes (if they bother to pay taxes at all).

    This is presented as if it's some big surprise. Did you know: everything Hilary did that she's being reamed for is something her colleagues had told her to do, and that they had done themselves in the past?

    NO? Well now you do.

  80. Re:Warmongering gives you away comrade by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    "Colluding with a foreign nation against the interests of America (Saudi Arabia/Qatar)"
    So is that the next target for Putin? Destabilize the middle east oil supply? I know you lot don't get to see the big plan, but you'll be given a list of astroturf from the Kremlin

    WHAT. THE. FUCK. Are you seriously saying that Saudi Arabia does not work against US interests? Have you seen their promotion of Wahhabism and Salafism, responsible for much of the jihaddi violence throughout the world? It's no coincidence that the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. The Crown Prince seems friendly the US, but most of the country is in the hands of ultra-conservative nutjobs. I trust Iran more than Saudi Arabia.

  81. Re:Warmongering gives you away comrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol. "Defending against Putin." Defending a Russian naval facility from Russian planes trying to keep it secure while a civil war goes on. We'd totally let it slide if Russia shot down our planes over Cuba while we tried to protect our interest in Guantanamo Bay in the event of a Cuban civil war (we wouldn't.) The woman has also unequivocally stated she would bring us to war with Iran. You're off your fucking rocker if you think she's "defending" anything. Bitch is a fucking warmonger.

  82. Re:Key word: Stolen by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

    and it now appears that Comey has the evidence of intent he was missing before.

    And you have evidence of this intent, all the sudden? I take it you have personal access to Comey or the laptop and e-mails that are in the FBI's hands, then?

    Even they don't know what is/was in the e-mails, as they didn't have a warrant. How in the hell do you know that they magically have intent?

  83. Re: The DOJ also leaked to Hil about the investiga by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So incorrect and false that it's laughable.

  84. Righty Spin [Re:The DOJ did as well] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I don't know anything about this one, but considering the quality of the rest of your post, and that Rush Limbaugh seems to be the only person pushing this, this probably isn't what you think.

    Most of the right's accusations are based on half truths. When one digs deeper, usually one finds more nuance.

    For example, often people would come up to the Clintons and state, "We gave a donation to your foundation. By the way, could you please look into doing/changing X for us?"

    It would be rude to say "no". One wouldn't get anywhere in life beyond a cubicle if they blew people off like that. Thus, the Clintons gave the same response as any non-autistic person would: "Sure, we cannot make any promises, but we'll look into it."

    The Right finds that in leaked messages and shout, "Look! Collusion! Evil!"

    SpinJob

    1. Re:Righty Spin [Re:The DOJ did as well] by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      For example, often people would come up to the Clintons and state, "We gave a donation to your foundation. By the way, could you please look into doing/changing X for us?" It would be rude to say "no".

      However you want to rationalize the corruption and bribery. The Olympics have been over for months, but I award this exercise in mental gymnastics an 8.4.

  85. Re:Warmongering gives you away comrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Bitch is a fucking warmonger"
    Not really. It takes more than the President to prosecute a war. The President has a 90 day period to get Congress to support his actions as Commander in Chief. No Congressional support means no funding. And what you call warmongering is simply putting US national interests at the top of the list and using force when some one threatens those interests. And if that pisses of some one that's too fucking bad. Russia and Iran are walking a tight rope by antagonizing US forces. Sooner or later the US will splash a couple of Russian fighter jets and sink any Iranian speed boats who think speeding towards a US battle group and ignoring warnings to break off is a good idea. The last time the US military actually engaged the Iranians was in 1980 when the US destroyed almost all of the Iranian offshore oil infrastructure. They were lucky the US didn't flatten a couple of their cities to thank them for holding US hostages. Let them try that whole hostage taking again and the US public would accept losing 52 people as long as Tehran was turned onto a pile of rubble. If anything the US has shown remarkable patience in putting up with that type of non-sense. Russia is trying to show the world that they are a power to reckon with but they are not. Their military is a shadow of what it once was and they have no financial clout. It's the amount of global financial power that defines a true power. And a true financial power needs to have a military capable of defending that power. California has a larger GDP than Russia and the California National Guard has more military assets than Russia. Keeping in mind that there are nuclear missiles stored in the state.

  86. You're human aren't ya by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's not how the human psyche works. You DO have a preference regardless of what you say and it's evidenced in your writings. You can't shut the hell up about how shitty Hillary is and only mention trump when forced to along with your "disclaimer". You cared enough to post multiple times so you can't claim you just don't give a damn. And that last sentence...ugh, what useless attempt at humor.

  87. Re: Does Sweden work well? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck off, huesos.

  88. Re: Does Sweden work well? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    Is that how you were able to get a ticket to the USA?
    By the way, I am from Germany, dumbass.

    --
    "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
  89. Re:Does Sweden work well? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Sweden is not in the NATO, dumbass.

    Doesn't matter if it was or not. NATO would have gone absolutely ape-shit if the USSR had invaded.
    Hell, the US funded a violent, bloody war in Afghanistan despite no one caring about that country.

  90. Re:Trump by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Burning man 2.0.

    Pay no attention to the ashes and the fact nobody ever leaves.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  91. Re: Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    All these 'low level flunkie sent to prison for the same thing' anecdotes that people trot out to compare to clinton... most of their fates were sealed because they confessed to committing a crime when they were questioned.

    No. Their fates were sealed by mishandling classified evidence, which we know for a fact Hillary did as SOS, over and over and over and over again. Intent doesn't matter, the story presented by your defense attorney doesn't matter. All the government has to prove in court is that you were responsible for classified information, and you mishandled it.

    If Hillary Clinton were Hillary Johnson, a low level official at the State Department that set up an unsecured, unauthorized server and proceeded to send top secret materials through it - she might get released from prison before she died behind bars of old age.

  92. Re:Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    When will this stupid myth die?

    Wait, you're linking to a "Hillary says she's innocent" piece and treating it credibly? Nixon said he wasn't a crook, so he must not have done anything with that Watergate fiasco.

  93. Re: Kristian Saucier in prison now, didn't send at by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Oh! I just got a BINGO on my government conspiracy scorecard!