Ownership is a red herring. There is no company that employes workers that isn't dependent on the sweat off the brow of said workers. So you're fine with that sweat going to political causes, so long as the workers don't have any say in it. I suggest you think outside your Randian fantasy before spouting off.
Spot on, you have to read between the weasel words. Like when some security state tool is testifying before Congress and is asked if the government is doing xyz, and he responds with "no, not under this program...."
In the two cases you bring up, how did you (and everyone else) realize that the reported government claims weren't facts?
Foreign press. Until the POTUS calls up the friendly neighborhood dictator and has the reporter imprisoned, anyway. You also seem to think this is all-or-nothing. Would you say that the existence of microblogs in China and privately owned (but still self-censoring) media outlets mean that China doesn't have a lapdog media? I'm guessing not.
But.. More to the point. The USA has the capacity because we have developed said capacity over many decades of working on the technology. We built it, so we use it? Is it OUR fault that others don't protect their information as well as they could? It is decidedly easier to *protect* information than it is to obtain information that's protected, so is it our fault you don't protect it well enough? Encrypt it better, don't transmit it over public networks, keep better physical control of your stuff... So, for instance, if you don't want somebody to take your picture of you in your skivvies, stay out of the front yard until fully dressed. Or if you don't want your identity stolen, don't put it in an E-mail that's not encrypted.
You could have just said "I blame the victims" and saved yourself some typing.
So I disagree that "Everybody does it" is a canard. It is a valid reason to do monitoring.
I suppose if you think that Steven Hawking vs Wladimir Kilschko is a fair fight because....well because, I suppose you could see it that way. Even if "everyone" wanted to spy on everyone, you're still going to have to deal with the disparity in capability.
You keep using that word, traitor. It does not mean what you think it means. You're also ignoring in swearing the Oath of Office you swear to uphold the Constitution. Then there's the fact that "proper channels" are designed around keeping this shit secret. Leaving people of principle with no choice but to reveal classified information to the public.
In 2009, Kiriakou took the position of senior investigator on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee under John Kerry. His job was to investigate waste, fraud, abuse and illegality and he turned his attention to the 2001 Dasht-i-Leili massacre, in which an American-backed warlord had been responsible for the deaths of hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of Taliban soldiers when he ordered them to be crammed into metal containers and then loaded onto trucks bound for a prison in Shibarghan, Afghanistan.
A source had told Kiriakou that Americans wearing T-shirts and blue jeans oversaw the box-up of the prisoners.
"I wanted to know," Kiriakou said, "were these guys CIA officers? If they weren't, who were they? Were they Defense Department? Were they contractors? Who were these guys? And why didn't they stop this from happening?
"I interviewed everybody," Kiriakou said. "I interviewed Larry Wilkerson, Colin Powell's chief of staff and Karl Ford, the assistant secretary, Pierre Prosper, the special rapporteur for human rights. I called Colin Powell."
Six weeks later, Kiriakou got a phone call from John Kerry asking if he was investigating the CIA.
"I said, 'Yes, I am.' [He said,] 'I want you to stop right now.' I said 'but we've got a story here. This is a serious situation.' 'I want you to stop right now,'" Kerry repeated. "So I stopped."
I was a huge supporter of the guy when he was telling people in his country about the NSA violating it's mission statement and turning its guns on the American people. Now, when he went down the Bradley Manning path and just started dumping anything he had in his hands related to our overseas communications and surveillance (that is what the NSA is SUPPOSED to be doing), then THAT became a serious problem.
Yeah, that was a bullshit talking point the first time around, too. Manning didn't "leak documents indiscriminately" - if I were king for a day fascists would recieve an automatic shock to the balls for using that talking point - he gave them to a responsible media organization: Wikileaks. Who vetted the documents before release, and even asked the USG for help in redacting names of sources, etc.
But given the fact that Snowden personally selected the information he wanted, rather than a lowly grunt taking a database dump, that junk talking point doesn't even get off the ground. You guys also tip your hands by getting all hot and bothered over the laws broken by whistleblowers while at the same time not giving two shits about the lawbreaking revealed by said whisteblowers.
There actually were quite a few Iraqis who opposed Hussein, and many of them did want us to invade You can read about them
If Obama had dumped mustard gas on OWS protests, maybe. Or if the angry American ex-pats supporting an invasion were looking to sink their hooks into the economy and political establishment after the invasion.
So it is cool for you to let the taliban kill your daughter for going to school because he himself would want you to kill his daughter for going to school (if he didn't discover it first.)
Good call...
I don't agree with everything in there, but it makes much more sense than your noise.
Says the guy making an utterly moranic Taliban analogy. Would you want to be killed for going to school? No? Then your comparison is nothing more than "noise" to begin with.
Sorry to say that, but a whistleblower isn't automagically a good guy with high moral and integrity. You just don't know.
If Snowden was a guy with dubious morals and integrity, why didn't he sell the information he possessed to a foreign government instead of releasing it to the public? He could be sitting in his own mansion in North Korea, with blackjack and hookers, instead of constantly looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.
So, he's going to be able to get into the cool clubs, pay for the beautiful women's drinks, take them to the ballet and then to McDonald's for a whole wheat bun Big Mac on a Tech Support Technician's pay?
Pfft. The beautiful women are going to be buying him drinks. Rich ones, too. Because while there are plenty of rich Russian men, there are very few that have brass balls of a size and magnitude to make an elephant blush a la the guy that took on Imperial America.
How you see it depends on what side of the firewall you are on.
But just one side has almost all the firewalls. Most of the world's communication infrastructure resides in the United States, across client states of the United States, or between client states of the United States in undersea cables.
The problem with the "everybody does it" canard is that not everyone has the same capability to spy.
It's theft of services. Not paying for what you use is stealing, plain and simple.
No, it's not. You wouldn't confuse arson with embezzlement or drunk driving just because they all involve property, would you? Then why do you conflate the entirely separate concepts of copyright infringement and theft.
If something is copied from you, you still have your property. If something is stolen from you, you no longer have your property. Bit of a distinction and a difference, no?
If you lived in a country with a state-controlled press, there would be no "unverified, unsourced" claims. You would not know from the official media anything about what the NSA counterpart there is doing, except for the official line.
Still waiting for a distinction or a difference.
Korean Central Television: reporter repeats government claims as fact.
Fox/MSNBC/NPR/NYTimes/WaPo: reporter repeats government claims as fact.
It's not like we don't have examples to chose from, like Saint Russert admitting in a trial that he always asked for quote approval when interviewing said "senior officials".
An entire legion of your best non sequiturs. Still dancing around the fact that unions are a democracy, and by definition not everyone gets what they want in a democracy. Also avoiding the fact that workers have a say over union donations, but no say over corporate donations.
On some other planet where I'm making accusations but have no idea WTF I'm talking about?
Seriously, do you have any idea how bad you look?
Seriously, do you need some prunes to go with your fainting couch? Don't go running falsely accusing people of committing crimes and you wont get called out for it.
Never said they weren't also building hydro dams, wind farms, and solar farms.
Also not relevant to the population disparity.
Cause it's happening NOW.
Which is why the U.S. should stop screwing around and stop demanding that developing nations address their carbon outputs before it does. The U.S. has 4% of the world's population but is responsible for a quarter of its emissions.
Looks like in your righteous anger, you forgot to read the post you're responding to.
Looks like you're projecting your poutrage. Just because the post was trying to justify the unjustifiable, doesn't mean that anyone had a hard time understanding it.
As in having to shut down a city because you can't see 10 feet in front of you more.
As in, they have three to four times the population of the United States. Funny how the "blame India and China first" crowd forgets that part. And how much of that Indochina pollution is making cheap shit for Wal-Mart in factories moved overseas from the U.S. Funny how they forget that part, too.
you aren't an engineer are you? that is the most expensive way to roll out a power infrastructure possible
Do you also tell someone working for minimum wage that buying a used oldmobile for $2k is a crazy idea because it will guzzle so much gas in comparison to a $60k Tesla Model S?
The network you can afford is going to provide more actual power than the regional power grid you cannot afford.
That's some interesting history, but it sounds like southwest Asia where imperial powers carved up nations without regard to the people living there. Self-determination is some silly hippie idea.
Good, good. Nothing like the poutrage from an Obamabot in denail that he's a right winger, or in your case, an elitist shitbag in denial of the fact that he's an elitist shitbag.
Is your head filled with human excrement, or dog excrement? Those of us with a higher intelligence than pond scum have no problems keeping separate terms for entirely separate concepts, separate. Rape is still wrong, even though we don't call it cannibalism. Just how stupid are you, really?
It's a service for you that I don't use.. Same as I don't use your high school or your library, or your ambulance service. How many times were you dropped on the head as a child, out of curiosity?
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Ownership is a red herring. There is no company that employes workers that isn't dependent on the sweat off the brow of said workers. So you're fine with that sweat going to political causes, so long as the workers don't have any say in it. I suggest you think outside your Randian fantasy before spouting off.
Spot on, you have to read between the weasel words. Like when some security state tool is testifying before Congress and is asked if the government is doing xyz, and he responds with "no, not under this program...."
Foreign press. Until the POTUS calls up the friendly neighborhood dictator and has the reporter imprisoned, anyway. You also seem to think this is all-or-nothing. Would you say that the existence of microblogs in China and privately owned (but still self-censoring) media outlets mean that China doesn't have a lapdog media? I'm guessing not.
You could have just said "I blame the victims" and saved yourself some typing.
I suppose if you think that Steven Hawking vs Wladimir Kilschko is a fair fight because....well because, I suppose you could see it that way. Even if "everyone" wanted to spy on everyone, you're still going to have to deal with the disparity in capability.
You keep using that word, traitor. It does not mean what you think it means. You're also ignoring in swearing the Oath of Office you swear to uphold the Constitution. Then there's the fact that "proper channels" are designed around keeping this shit secret. Leaving people of principle with no choice but to reveal classified information to the public.
Yeah, that was a bullshit talking point the first time around, too. Manning didn't "leak documents indiscriminately" - if I were king for a day fascists would recieve an automatic shock to the balls for using that talking point - he gave them to a responsible media organization: Wikileaks. Who vetted the documents before release, and even asked the USG for help in redacting names of sources, etc.
But given the fact that Snowden personally selected the information he wanted, rather than a lowly grunt taking a database dump, that junk talking point doesn't even get off the ground. You guys also tip your hands by getting all hot and bothered over the laws broken by whistleblowers while at the same time not giving two shits about the lawbreaking revealed by said whisteblowers.
Then this should be easy, Slick: who'd he spy for?
If Obama had dumped mustard gas on OWS protests, maybe. Or if the angry American ex-pats supporting an invasion were looking to sink their hooks into the economy and political establishment after the invasion.
So, you're some kind of jerk then.
Says the guy making an utterly moranic Taliban analogy. Would you want to be killed for going to school? No? Then your comparison is nothing more than "noise" to begin with.
If Snowden was a guy with dubious morals and integrity, why didn't he sell the information he possessed to a foreign government instead of releasing it to the public? He could be sitting in his own mansion in North Korea, with blackjack and hookers, instead of constantly looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life.
Pfft. The beautiful women are going to be buying him drinks. Rich ones, too. Because while there are plenty of rich Russian men, there are very few that have brass balls of a size and magnitude to make an elephant blush a la the guy that took on Imperial America.
But just one side has almost all the firewalls. Most of the world's communication infrastructure resides in the United States, across client states of the United States, or between client states of the United States in undersea cables.
The problem with the "everybody does it" canard is that not everyone has the same capability to spy.
No, it's not. You wouldn't confuse arson with embezzlement or drunk driving just because they all involve property, would you? Then why do you conflate the entirely separate concepts of copyright infringement and theft.
If something is copied from you, you still have your property. If something is stolen from you, you no longer have your property. Bit of a distinction and a difference, no?
Still waiting for a distinction or a difference.
Korean Central Television: reporter repeats government claims as fact.
Fox/MSNBC/NPR/NYTimes/WaPo: reporter repeats government claims as fact.
It's not like we don't have examples to chose from, like Saint Russert admitting in a trial that he always asked for quote approval when interviewing said "senior officials".
An entire legion of your best non sequiturs. Still dancing around the fact that unions are a democracy, and by definition not everyone gets what they want in a democracy. Also avoiding the fact that workers have a say over union donations, but no say over corporate donations.
On some other planet where I'm making accusations but have no idea WTF I'm talking about?
Seriously, do you need some prunes to go with your fainting couch? Don't go running falsely accusing people of committing crimes and you wont get called out for it.
Also not relevant to the population disparity.
Which is why the U.S. should stop screwing around and stop demanding that developing nations address their carbon outputs before it does. The U.S. has 4% of the world's population but is responsible for a quarter of its emissions.
Looks like you're projecting your poutrage. Just because the post was trying to justify the unjustifiable, doesn't mean that anyone had a hard time understanding it.
As in, they have three to four times the population of the United States. Funny how the "blame India and China first" crowd forgets that part. And how much of that Indochina pollution is making cheap shit for Wal-Mart in factories moved overseas from the U.S. Funny how they forget that part, too.
Do you also tell someone working for minimum wage that buying a used oldmobile for $2k is a crazy idea because it will guzzle so much gas in comparison to a $60k Tesla Model S?
The network you can afford is going to provide more actual power than the regional power grid you cannot afford.
That's some interesting history, but it sounds like southwest Asia where imperial powers carved up nations without regard to the people living there. Self-determination is some silly hippie idea.
So it's a good thing Taiwan has a flag.
Good, good. Nothing like the poutrage from an Obamabot in denail that he's a right winger, or in your case, an elitist shitbag in denial of the fact that he's an elitist shitbag.
Go Galt on that cake, Slick.
Is your head filled with human excrement, or dog excrement? Those of us with a higher intelligence than pond scum have no problems keeping separate terms for entirely separate concepts, separate. Rape is still wrong, even though we don't call it cannibalism. Just how stupid are you, really?
It's a service for you that I don't use.. Same as I don't use your high school or your library, or your ambulance service. How many times were you dropped on the head as a child, out of curiosity?