So you're another American Exceptionalist engaging in as much willful dumbfuckery as an anti-vaxxer. When presented with overwhelming evidence that you are 100 pounds of bullshit crammed into a five pound sack - you simply double down on your indefensible position.
It's a fact that the United States spent billions to subvert another countries democracy - and then you whine like bitches in support of conspiracy theories that have as much evidence to back them up as Chem Trailers. It's a fact the United States supported an illegal coup out of the gate, and is on tape picking leaders to take power.
So what else do you do of equal or lesser intelligence - insist that Saddam really did have WMD's more than a decade after the Bush Administration stopped bothering to keep up the pretense?
Riiiiiight. As much as they are happy paying thousands a year for health insurance they can't afford to use or five figures a year for their kid's college tuition. You becha.
Bingo. But it is only effective if it is followed up in the ballot box. But the people who are chanting have low historical voting participation rates.
Because they don't have something to vote for, Sherlock. Either because the two major parties have fielded candidates who are hostile to their interests, or because third parties have been restrained to the point of irrelevancy. Give people a real choice and they'll turn out in droves, like the last vote for Scotland's independence. See also, George Carlin...if you vote you don't have the right to complain.
But chanting as part of a protest gathering -- this is exactly what caused change.
But not by protesting in a polite, orderly fashion in a designated Free Speech Zone. He did it by not being sucked into supporting a particular party (as Dems wanted OWS to do before Obama crushed it). He did it by being the "reasonable" alternative to the more militant leaders like Malcolm X. It also didn't hurt that at the time the United States was trying to grandstand about the USSR's "human right's violations" at the time, which is kind of hard do when you're busy upholding Jim Crow at home.
If MLK hadn't been assassinated, he'd be getting arrested today with other BLM protestors for shutting down highways, and absolutely would have waged war against Hillary Clinton's coronation in last year's primary.
They will never show up to vote. Their mentality is, "If you are not perfect, there is no difference between the two candidates, I am going to stay home or vote for some useless candidate to send a message". They are easily defeated in elections.
It's that sheer, Biblical level of entitlement that led to Trump in the first place, as it makes you a dumber and bigger asshole than he is. Republicans could drop all their gerrymandering laws and simply hire people like yourself to go door-to-door and "advocate" for the Democratic Party.
Most of the worst policies in modern times have come from Democratic presidents, not Republicans. And outside of the rich donor class, there isn't a single Democratic constituency that the party hasn't stabbed in the back, pistoled whipped in the face, and kicked in the balls. Over and over again. Republicans are honest in their contempt for people who work for a living - Democrats will be all smiles until they stick the rusty shiv into your liver, spend the next few months twisting it around, and then get completely outraged when you don't promise them your vote for the next election, unconditionally.
So make sure to send an invoice to the 2018 RNC election campaigns, and the 2020 Trump committee for services rendered.
I'm paraphrasing here but the gist is: if the other side keeps banging on about issue the working class doesn't care about and we're sticking to a message of economic popularism we're going to be in power for the next 1000 years.
The working class isn't going to care about having absolute shit service from Comcast for $200 a month???? There's a wee bit of a disconnect between your premise and your conclusion.
Slight problem for you: I have a collection of indisputable facts.....and you're as full of shit now as you were in 2003, when you were yelling that anyone who questioned Bush's claims about Iraqi WMD's and planning 911 were Saddam supporters.
There's an unhinged shitbag country that desperately needs to be stripped of its military and most of it's intelligence and political leaders sent to lengthly prison terms for violating their own country's laws....and over there is Russia.
Furthermore you demand evidence of Russian involvement in Ukraine but provide none for the Western over throw of the Ukraine government.
That's like asking for evidence that the Bush Administration was full of crap about Iraq's WMD's and role in 911. Remedial current events here.
Before the coup, the assistant Secretary of State was on video bragging about spending $5 billion to 'give Ukraine the future it deserves' - and then Americans whine about imaginary interference in our elections. The same assistant secretary of state was also recorded picking post-coup leaders.
"So the chief of the government's security forces, the head of the opposition's security forces, and the snipers themselves all admit the snipers were killing both protesters and police."
And if that wasn't enough, the Vice President's son woke up one morning and just happened to find himself a top executive at a Ukraine energy company.
"Isn't that a bit fishy? Why do you say that?
Because he's the vice-president's son! That's a coincidence. "This is totally based on merit," said Burisma's chairman, Alan Apter.
He doesn't sound very Ukrainian. He's American, as is the other new board member, Devon Archer.
Who? Devon Archer, who works with Hunter Biden at Rosemont Seneca partners, which is half owned by Rosemont Capital, a private equity firm founded by Archer and Christopher Heinz.
Who? Christopher Heinz...John Kerry's stepson."
The IMF also picked up their entire book of rules and threw it in a paper shredder to give the illegitimate government a legitimate loan:
The IMF broke four of its rules by lending to Ukraine: (1) Not to lend to a country that has no visible means to pay back the loan (the "No More Argentinas" rule, adopted after the IMF's disastrous 2001 loan to that country). (2) Not to lend to a country that repudiates its debt to official creditors (the rule originally intended to enforce payment to U.S.-based institutions). (3) Not to lend to a country at war - and indeed, destroying its export capacity and hence its balance-of-payments ability to pay back the loan. Finally (4), not to lend to a country unlikely to impose the IMF's austerity "conditionalities." Ukraine did agree to override democratic opposition and cut back pensions, but its junta proved too unstable to impose the austerity terms on which the IMF insisted.
So the United States only spent billions to subvert Ukraine's democracy, recognized a blatant coup as a legitimate impeachment, immediately gave billions in aid to the junta, and then sends the highest number of troops to Eastern Europe under the premise that Russia is a threat.
And American Exceptionalists like yourself just eat that shit up. With a spoon. You didn't learn a damned thing from the lies about Iraq andAfghanistan, did you?
All the Russia hysteria over the last few years has been straight-up Swiftboating. Fucking with other countries and wanting to spy on every person on the planet is what the United States does on a daily basis, so naturally it accuses someone else of doing what they do. If Kaspersky is proven to bend over backwards to help the FSB the same way American companies do for the CIA/NSA/FBI, then we can have a conversation, but so far the accusations have as much evidence to back them up as the conspiracy theory that Russia 'hacked the election' last year (i.e. none, nada, zip. zilch).
Karl Rove must be collecting some sweet royalties on this tactic.
That's kind of the point: their time is never completely served
So you are making the return to meth dealing the best option for the convicted meth dealer. Saner countries actually rehabilitate people, as opposed to the U.S. which prefers to be tough rather than effective on crime.
"Treat people like dirt, and they will be dirt. Treat them like human beings, and they will act like human beings."
they're not allowed to vote
Why. I've never seen anyone articulate a reason for why convicts shouldn't be able to vote while they're in prison, much less released from it. It's not like they don't have to pay taxes and be subjected to public policy. And what are they going to do anyway - pool their efforts and get Lex Luthor elected president?
they're not allowed to own a gun
That one at least makes some sense, at least for the convicted meth dealer. Doesn't explain why he shouldn't find a decent job working construction or working for FedEx, though.
You're acting like money spent on cancer treatment is lost.
You're acting like the high costs of drugs in the U.S. doesn't entirely come from advertising, executive compensation, and quarterly profits. And as if the research doesn't frequently start on the taxpayers dime as grants for universities, only for taxpayers to pay a second time when the university sells the work to a pharmaceutical company?
That tangent is a bit of a non-sequitur, anyway. So again, which is cheaper: someone getting an average of $2000 a month in public assistance (housing, food stamps, Medicaid) or a cancer patient getting dosed twice a day at $2000 a pill?
People have been claiming that for years, but not one picture from a drone or spy satellite to back up that accusation, only pictures posted by your literal neo-Nazi pals that overthrow the the Ukrainian government. So even if the claims were correct, the Russian invasion would be a thousand times more justifiable than any U.S. "intervention" you can name. It's not like the U.S. would sit around with its thump up its ass if the USSR overthrew the government of Canada, and immediately started bringing it into the Warsaw Pact.
Russia is a hostile country waging an aggressive information war against the west with an army of internet trolls
You have just as much evidence for that assertion as the Chem Trailing whackjobs do that the government is putting mind-control gas into jet fuel. There was one person who was corrupt AF in swinging an election last year, and her name wasn't Putin or Trump.
It is financing right-wing groups in Europe
It's the CIA and the State Department funding literal Neo-Nazis in Ukraine - you guys meet at Starbucks over coffee?
an invasion of eastern Ukraine
Three years of whining about a Russian invasion, not a single photo from a U.S. drone or spy satellite. Just pictures from your Neo-Nazi pals on social media. But even if Russia did invade Ukraine - it would be a million times more justified than any American intervention you can name, as the U.S. overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine.
Protecting a dictator who used chemical weapons against his own people
You're fantastically stupid if you think Assad was stupid enough to use chemical weapons the day weapons inspectors arrived in the country. After he started winning the war, as opposed to when your ISIS and Al Queda pals were taking over territory. And then again when the war is nearly won, but just after Trump has backed off regime change.
Russia is a rogue actor these days.
You are proof that Jesus died in vain, at least for Americans. Because there's just no hope for you.
This should be filed under the "things to consider before you inject yourself into US politics" department.
You Russiaphobes has as much evidence as the anti-vaxxers or Chem Trailers do to back up their bullshit. You fell for one piss-poor psyop with the Iraq War, and now you're doing it again. If only Powell knew he could have skipped that presenting-faked-evidence-to-the-UN thing, and just made a bunch of anonymous claims in the CIA-funded WaPo.
Because people would just eat that shit up. With a spoon.
What's cheaper: public housing and food stamps or chemo treatments? How about chemo treatments plus treatment medication that costs as much as a month's worth of public housing plus food stamps per dose - or even much more?
Not to mention the loss of revenue in the manufacturing, sales and marketing of tobacco... They spent $8.2 billion in 2015 in marketing alone according to the CDC, up from 8.0 in 2014.
And I'm sure you cried a big tear in history class for all the slave drivers put out of work after the Civl War, too.
You just found an article that takes anecdotal statements and couples
Was TEPCO shortchanging maintenance, and the government of Japan joining them in constantly lying about the disaster, are easy yes-or-no questions. And the answer is Yes to both. Your 401k has a lot invested in their stock, or something?
Nuclear plants have redundant safety features, even if one is out of service or alignment, there are others to accomplish the job.
Which does jack if the cooling pipes themselves are ruptured by the quake, no matter how many backup power sources you have. Which was the point of the article you dismissed out of hand. An article that includes specific details, dates and sources.
There are a million articles out there that claim to 'expose the truth'. But they make claims without providing the basis
Just because you chose to ignore the basis they provided doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You sound like a tobacco industry exec, brimming with angst in the 80's that anyone is daring to question his religion.
Nope. If you can't get remedial current events right, you could at least go for knowing your grammar when it comes to possessives.
Also you're obviously FSB.
Yeah, and I'm sure you accused anyone of questioning the Iraq war as being a Saddam sympathizer. You're (note the correct usage) as full of shit now as you were in 2003.
Maybe if the taxes actually went to pay for the negative effects of smoking there would be less wailing.
Yep, politicians tend to be assholes - but you can also thank anti-tax jihadists like Libertarians for "starving the beast", making it easier to engage in crap like rigged red light cameras, asset forfeiture and other policing-for-profit shenanigans, and raiding cigarette tax funds. Because civilization costs money.
But, back to the point, what would you do to discourage cigarette use before taxing users at point of purchase?
They don't have to. The worst coal plant on the planet isn't going to be an ongoing hazard a thousand years from now, as opposed to the waste generated from the best nuclear power plant. Wind and solar farms aren't going to require billions in decommission costs least they pose a danger to an entire region of the planet.
You don't see solar rattling on about silicon extraction, or windpower about magnet rare earth mining costs either.
As if refined uranium can be picked up at any corner drug store. This is Nuclear Whattaboutery.
Uh huh. And would you prefer those treatment starts when a person is at or near the end of their life expectancy, or ten years before they would normally retire? Ten more years of paying into Medicare and Medicaid, as opposed to withdrawing large amounts from them.
That might be a fine tangent for a story on medical cures vs treatments, but what does it have to do with lost productivity for people who have to quit the work force for medial reasons?
Lost productivity... only counts if you don't have enough people to fill the jobs of those who died early.
Do you want someone to work and consume until they're 67 and retire, or get lung cancer at 57, spend a few hundred thousand to a million in cancer treatments, and then live on disability until they die? Lot of lost productivity there.
And who makes more money from tobacco sales than anyone, including the tobacco companies themselves??? That's right, friends. The government.
So what would you prefer - Prohibition? That's always been a disaster when tried, creating black markets, crime, and making millions of people convicts for non-violent drug use. Forcing tobacco companies to break up and cease operations? You'd have Rand rolling in her grave.
Cigarrette taxes are a market-based approach (aren't you guys supposed to love that shit?) to discourage people from smoking and make users pay for (some) of the immense medical costs they'll be generating for themselves and non-smoker's close by them.
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So you're another American Exceptionalist engaging in as much willful dumbfuckery as an anti-vaxxer. When presented with overwhelming evidence that you are 100 pounds of bullshit crammed into a five pound sack - you simply double down on your indefensible position.
It's a fact that the United States spent billions to subvert another countries democracy - and then you whine like bitches in support of conspiracy theories that have as much evidence to back them up as Chem Trailers. It's a fact the United States supported an illegal coup out of the gate, and is on tape picking leaders to take power.
So what else do you do of equal or lesser intelligence - insist that Saddam really did have WMD's more than a decade after the Bush Administration stopped bothering to keep up the pretense?
Riiiiiight. As much as they are happy paying thousands a year for health insurance they can't afford to use or five figures a year for their kid's college tuition. You becha.
Because they don't have something to vote for, Sherlock. Either because the two major parties have fielded candidates who are hostile to their interests, or because third parties have been restrained to the point of irrelevancy. Give people a real choice and they'll turn out in droves, like the last vote for Scotland's independence. See also, George Carlin...if you vote you don't have the right to complain.
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But not by protesting in a polite, orderly fashion in a designated Free Speech Zone. He did it by not being sucked into supporting a particular party (as Dems wanted OWS to do before Obama crushed it). He did it by being the "reasonable" alternative to the more militant leaders like Malcolm X. It also didn't hurt that at the time the United States was trying to grandstand about the USSR's "human right's violations" at the time, which is kind of hard do when you're busy upholding Jim Crow at home.
If MLK hadn't been assassinated, he'd be getting arrested today with other BLM protestors for shutting down highways, and absolutely would have waged war against Hillary Clinton's coronation in last year's primary.
It's that sheer, Biblical level of entitlement that led to Trump in the first place, as it makes you a dumber and bigger asshole than he is. Republicans could drop all their gerrymandering laws and simply hire people like yourself to go door-to-door and "advocate" for the Democratic Party.
Most of the worst policies in modern times have come from Democratic presidents, not Republicans. And outside of the rich donor class, there isn't a single Democratic constituency that the party hasn't stabbed in the back, pistoled whipped in the face, and kicked in the balls. Over and over again. Republicans are honest in their contempt for people who work for a living - Democrats will be all smiles until they stick the rusty shiv into your liver, spend the next few months twisting it around, and then get completely outraged when you don't promise them your vote for the next election, unconditionally.
So make sure to send an invoice to the 2018 RNC election campaigns, and the 2020 Trump committee for services rendered.
The working class isn't going to care about having absolute shit service from Comcast for $200 a month???? There's a wee bit of a disconnect between your premise and your conclusion.
Slight problem for you: I have a collection of indisputable facts.....and you're as full of shit now as you were in 2003, when you were yelling that anyone who questioned Bush's claims about Iraqi WMD's and planning 911 were Saddam supporters.
There's an unhinged shitbag country that desperately needs to be stripped of its military and most of it's intelligence and political leaders sent to lengthly prison terms for violating their own country's laws....and over there is Russia.
That's like asking for evidence that the Bush Administration was full of crap about Iraq's WMD's and role in 911. Remedial current events here.
Before the coup, the assistant Secretary of State was on video bragging about spending $5 billion to 'give Ukraine the future it deserves' - and then Americans whine about imaginary interference in our elections. The same assistant secretary of state was also recorded picking post-coup leaders.
The United States immediately recognized the junta as illegitimate after the blatantly unconstitutional vote to remove Yanukovych from power, which itself was based on a known false flag operation:
And if that wasn't enough, the Vice President's son woke up one morning and just happened to find himself a top executive at a Ukraine energy company.
Because he's the vice-president's son! That's a coincidence. "This is totally based on merit," said Burisma's chairman, Alan Apter.
He doesn't sound very Ukrainian. He's American, as is the other new board member, Devon Archer.
Who? Devon Archer, who works with Hunter Biden at Rosemont Seneca partners, which is half owned by Rosemont Capital, a private equity firm founded by Archer and Christopher Heinz.
Who? Christopher Heinz...John Kerry's stepson."
The IMF also picked up their entire book of rules and threw it in a paper shredder to give the illegitimate government a legitimate loan:
(1) Not to lend to a country that has no visible means to pay back the loan (the "No More Argentinas" rule, adopted after the IMF's disastrous 2001 loan to that country).
(2) Not to lend to a country that repudiates its debt to official creditors (the rule originally intended to enforce payment to U.S.-based institutions).
(3) Not to lend to a country at war - and indeed, destroying its export capacity and hence its balance-of-payments ability to pay back the loan. Finally
(4), not to lend to a country unlikely to impose the IMF's austerity "conditionalities." Ukraine did agree to override democratic opposition and cut back pensions, but its junta proved too unstable to impose the austerity terms on which the IMF insisted.
So the United States only spent billions to subvert Ukraine's democracy, recognized a blatant coup as a legitimate impeachment, immediately gave billions in aid to the junta, and then sends the highest number of troops to Eastern Europe under the premise that Russia is a threat.
And American Exceptionalists like yourself just eat that shit up. With a spoon. You didn't learn a damned thing from the lies about Iraq and Afghanistan, did you?
Not Putin.
All the Russia hysteria over the last few years has been straight-up Swiftboating. Fucking with other countries and wanting to spy on every person on the planet is what the United States does on a daily basis, so naturally it accuses someone else of doing what they do. If Kaspersky is proven to bend over backwards to help the FSB the same way American companies do for the CIA/NSA/FBI, then we can have a conversation, but so far the accusations have as much evidence to back them up as the conspiracy theory that Russia 'hacked the election' last year (i.e. none, nada, zip. zilch).
Karl Rove must be collecting some sweet royalties on this tactic.
So you are making the return to meth dealing the best option for the convicted meth dealer. Saner countries actually rehabilitate people, as opposed to the U.S. which prefers to be tough rather than effective on crime.
"Treat people like dirt, and they will be dirt. Treat them like human beings, and they will act like human beings."
Why. I've never seen anyone articulate a reason for why convicts shouldn't be able to vote while they're in prison, much less released from it. It's not like they don't have to pay taxes and be subjected to public policy. And what are they going to do anyway - pool their efforts and get Lex Luthor elected president?
That one at least makes some sense, at least for the convicted meth dealer. Doesn't explain why he shouldn't find a decent job working construction or working for FedEx, though.
You're acting like the high costs of drugs in the U.S. doesn't entirely come from advertising, executive compensation, and quarterly profits. And as if the research doesn't frequently start on the taxpayers dime as grants for universities, only for taxpayers to pay a second time when the university sells the work to a pharmaceutical company?
That tangent is a bit of a non-sequitur, anyway. So again, which is cheaper: someone getting an average of $2000 a month in public assistance (housing, food stamps, Medicaid) or a cancer patient getting dosed twice a day at $2000 a pill?
Should always read: Uber's unlicensed taxi service
After George invaded South Ossetia.
People have been claiming that for years, but not one picture from a drone or spy satellite to back up that accusation, only pictures posted by your literal neo-Nazi pals that overthrow the the Ukrainian government. So even if the claims were correct, the Russian invasion would be a thousand times more justifiable than any U.S. "intervention" you can name. It's not like the U.S. would sit around with its thump up its ass if the USSR overthrew the government of Canada, and immediately started bringing it into the Warsaw Pact.
Swiftboating bullshit. All of it.
You have just as much evidence for that assertion as the Chem Trailing whackjobs do that the government is putting mind-control gas into jet fuel. There was one person who was corrupt AF in swinging an election last year, and her name wasn't Putin or Trump.
It's the CIA and the State Department funding literal Neo-Nazis in Ukraine - you guys meet at Starbucks over coffee?
Three years of whining about a Russian invasion, not a single photo from a U.S. drone or spy satellite. Just pictures from your Neo-Nazi pals on social media. But even if Russia did invade Ukraine - it would be a million times more justified than any American intervention you can name, as the U.S. overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine.
You're fantastically stupid if you think Assad was stupid enough to use chemical weapons the day weapons inspectors arrived in the country. After he started winning the war, as opposed to when your ISIS and Al Queda pals were taking over territory. And then again when the war is nearly won, but just after Trump has backed off regime change.
You are proof that Jesus died in vain, at least for Americans. Because there's just no hope for you.
You Russiaphobes has as much evidence as the anti-vaxxers or Chem Trailers do to back up their bullshit. You fell for one piss-poor psyop with the Iraq War, and now you're doing it again. If only Powell knew he could have skipped that presenting-faked-evidence-to-the-UN thing, and just made a bunch of anonymous claims in the CIA-funded WaPo.
Because people would just eat that shit up. With a spoon.
Says the guy completely ignoring the rupture of coolant lines that weren't caused by the tsunami.
What's cheaper: public housing and food stamps or chemo treatments? How about chemo treatments plus treatment medication that costs as much as a month's worth of public housing plus food stamps per dose - or even much more?
And I'm sure you cried a big tear in history class for all the slave drivers put out of work after the Civl War, too.
Obvious hand waiving.
Was TEPCO shortchanging maintenance, and the government of Japan joining them in constantly lying about the disaster, are easy yes-or-no questions. And the answer is Yes to both. Your 401k has a lot invested in their stock, or something?
Which does jack if the cooling pipes themselves are ruptured by the quake, no matter how many backup power sources you have. Which was the point of the article you dismissed out of hand. An article that includes specific details, dates and sources.
Just because you chose to ignore the basis they provided doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You sound like a tobacco industry exec, brimming with angst in the 80's that anyone is daring to question his religion.
Nope. If you can't get remedial current events right, you could at least go for knowing your grammar when it comes to possessives.
Yeah, and I'm sure you accused anyone of questioning the Iraq war as being a Saddam sympathizer. You're (note the correct usage) as full of shit now as you were in 2003.
Yep, politicians tend to be assholes - but you can also thank anti-tax jihadists like Libertarians for "starving the beast", making it easier to engage in crap like rigged red light cameras, asset forfeiture and other policing-for-profit shenanigans, and raiding cigarette tax funds. Because civilization costs money.
But, back to the point, what would you do to discourage cigarette use before taxing users at point of purchase?
They don't have to. The worst coal plant on the planet isn't going to be an ongoing hazard a thousand years from now, as opposed to the waste generated from the best nuclear power plant. Wind and solar farms aren't going to require billions in decommission costs least they pose a danger to an entire region of the planet.
As if refined uranium can be picked up at any corner drug store. This is Nuclear Whattaboutery.
Uh huh. And would you prefer those treatment starts when a person is at or near the end of their life expectancy, or ten years before they would normally retire? Ten more years of paying into Medicare and Medicaid, as opposed to withdrawing large amounts from them.
That might be a fine tangent for a story on medical cures vs treatments, but what does it have to do with lost productivity for people who have to quit the work force for medial reasons?
Do you want someone to work and consume until they're 67 and retire, or get lung cancer at 57, spend a few hundred thousand to a million in cancer treatments, and then live on disability until they die? Lot of lost productivity there.
So what would you prefer - Prohibition? That's always been a disaster when tried, creating black markets, crime, and making millions of people convicts for non-violent drug use. Forcing tobacco companies to break up and cease operations? You'd have Rand rolling in her grave.
Cigarrette taxes are a market-based approach (aren't you guys supposed to love that shit?) to discourage people from smoking and make users pay for (some) of the immense medical costs they'll be generating for themselves and non-smoker's close by them.
So - what should be done instead of taxes?