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Russia To Act Against Google if Sputnik, RT Get Lower Search Rankings (reuters.com)
Paresh Dave and Jack Stubbs, reporting for Reuters: The Kremlin will take action against Alphabet's Google if articles from Russian news websites Sputnik and Russia Today are placed lower in search results, the Interfax news service cited Russia's chief media regulator as saying on Tuesday. Alexander Zharov, head of media regulator Roskomnadzor, said his agency sent a letter to Google on Tuesday requesting clarification on comments Saturday by Alphabet Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt about how the Russian websites would be treated in search, according to Interfax. "We will receive an answer and understand what to do next," Interfax quoted Zharov as saying. "We hope our opinion will be heard, and we won't have to resort to more serious" retaliatory measures.
It's weird what people think Google does. Yes, they are big. Yes, they are evil. Yes, they spy on you. Yes, they invade privacy. Yes, they should be regulated. No, they do not distort facts or information, that's the government's job.
Is this a new SEO technique? "Note to self: Ask the government to help me increase my page ranking"
That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
The moment they started manually messing with search rankings in order to appease people they fucked up.
They should have their algorithm and let the chips fall where they may.
That way no one can accuse you of favoritism or whatever.
If the content comes from outside my country, maybe the content should be downranked. It's not just a Russia thing, it's a relevance thing.
The fuck Ivan gonna do beside get his drunken hands caught in the cookie jar? Sanctions gonna shit all over that shithole of a country as soon as the vatnik traitor gets impeached.
Did you mean Seward's Folly?
#DeleteChrome
Found the russian
Why were these two words unquoted? Surely Reuters didnâ(TM)t do so to make the quote sound more nefarious than it would have been had they provided the full quote rather than adding their own choice of words?
I'm getting pretty tired of the whole "Russia narrative" that we get subjected to here at Slashdot again and again and again and again.
A Slashdot search for "russia" and a Slashdot search for "linux" both have Thursday October 19, 2017 as the date of the earliest submission listed on the first page of results.
So we get subjected to a submission about Russia just about as often as we get to read something about Linux!
It gets worse when we do a Slashdot search for "programming". The earliest submission on the first page of results if from Saturday October 14, 2017!
So we get subjected to noticeably more Russia submissions than programming submissions.
And a Slashdot search for "scifi" brings us to Saturday May 06, 2017. A Slashdot search for "science fiction" is even worse, taking us all of the way back to Saturday December 19, 2015!
Obviously we get subjected to far more Russia submissions than any having to do with sci-fi.
If we wanted to hear about Russia every single day, then we could just go read the news on CNN or MSNBC or BBC or some other mainstream news site.
The whole point of Slashdot is to learn about technology/science/math/computing-oriented news that the mainstream outlets don't have enough time or incentive to cover.
Yeah, a relevant submission about Russia now and then would be fine, but this constant barrage of "Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia ..." is getting old.
We should be able to read about topics like Linux and programming and sci-fi far more often than about Russia of all things.
I'm no fan of eiter Russian nor US leaders. They are the same to me. But it is not ok, to put something in people's mouths that they didn't say, just because it is how you think and hence "interpret".
Whether it is your girlfriend of literally Hitler.
and won't address this threat to our citizens by a hostile foreign state.
No, no, he means Steward's Folly - referencing the time that male flight attendant grabbed two beers and escaped down the emergency slide. Which, incidentally, is how Google employees travel between floors at that adult daycare center known as the Googleplex
More like stepping around a big pile of dog sh!t.
So don't read the story and don't comment on it? Just an idea...
This should be an optional filter like "Safe search" option. Possibly on by default. Freedom of speech preserved, guillible minds protected.
Maybe they're threatening to release the Trump pee tape?!
At least Russia is now perceived as an enemy. Before Clinton's Fusion GPS PutinDidItWeWasRobbed narrative Russia was the savior of Ukraine from "nazis" or something, and the perennial counter to US hegemony, basking in the warm glow of western intellectual and establishment nostalgia for communism. The sanctions were Western Fascists supporting eastern European fascists.
Not that it will last. Eventually Putin and Trump will butt heads over one thing or another and Russia will be back on a pedestal; the poor oppressed victim of Western expansionism, under threat by US supported fascists, etc.
Google is big enough that if they were to "black hole" enough of Russia's systems, they would be effectively booted off the Internet.
So long as it's not an actual government agency doing it, the various governments can just toss up their hands and say, "Hey, you pissed off a private company. Isn't capitalism great?"
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Hey there, Ivan.
That's some good work you're doing.
Deflect harder and show the world you're trying to hide it.
A good reaction to this demand is to set all the top search results for "Putin" to be related to organized crime and corruption.
See who caves first.
-- Will program for bandwidth
When will Russia learn that they can't force us to acquiesce by issuing an endless stream of threats and lies?
Google are absolutely going the right thing. Just as well, they can afford to.
Putin can go and fuck himself.
Well, wah? Maybe if Trump didn't provably collude with Russia you would have less undesirable news in your feed? Think about it that way.
Just keep stepping around it. These fools are deluding themselves and they're welcome to keep doing exactly that as far as I'm concerned. Allowing them to attribute every imagined ill to Russian boogeymen is as good a way to nullify leftists as anything I've ever seen. With any luck they'll keep running in place, bleating about Russia for three more years and nominate Hillary again.
It is about fucking time someone stood up to Google.
I am fucking sick of google dictating content and controlling feeble minds.
Google can fuck off and die. We have DNS bitches. D fucking N fucking S. Suck on that googlefags!
People have to start saying no to Google, it is our content not theirs, and they only control the web because we allow them to.
The owners are probably taking Soros bucks now, so they have to spew the propaganda like the rest if they want the payments to keep coming in.
The abusive bully yelling "What are you going to do, hahahahaha!" is always the last think the bully says, before another kid gives him the surprise knockout.
I was that kid in school. Twice.
The second time, in 10th class, the teacher didn't even blink. Bullirs get what they deserve.
The BRICS countries work hard on freeing themselves from the US. The whole point of the EU is, to counter the US influence, in case you hadn't noticed. And the third world countries never could stand you to begin with. Which might have something to do with you invading and toppling the government of nearly every single one of them.
Everybody hates you. You are all alone. The only reason anybod listens to your notjob government aka psycho industry, is because you threaten everyone who doesn't. And that starts to fail now
So excuse me, while I get my popcorn.
Go ahead Russia.
Quick, report him to the authority! That will be the proof you need that the Russians HACKED the election, which we know is ""true"".. Why? Because Hillary's privately hired security firm(Crowd Strike ), says MAYBE the RUSSIANS hacked the DNC server, which NO NO ONE OUR government has ever looked over to confirm is there's even a MAYBE! And those that say they were MAYBE confident it was plausible, were hand picked and appointed by the Obama administration to give their OPINION on this fake-national-security. But who cares about facts when we have feelings, let's instead use it as an excuse to impose censorship on the web.
Free market, baby. It's the best thing about America. Google can do what Google wants with their search engine.
If you don't like it, search somewhere else.
The thing is that technology has moved to the center of our political reality. Personally I'm equally interested in both types of stories, and feel that there is a good balance.
What I do worry about is that in many of these more political stories the comments often seem very reactionary. For example, on the stories about how Russia used Facebook to drive the left and right further apart. There you get comments like "nothing to see here, we always had propaganda, doing it through Facebook doesn't change much". While clearly it changes the scale, precision, subtlety and cost - all meaningful differences. But there were multiple comments downplaying if that all got up-voted. That gets me more worried. It means that either Slashdot is being manipulated, or that Slashdot's more critical readers have disappeared.
So for me the problem is not these stories, the problem is the low quality of discussion around them.
Well, wah? Maybe if Trump didn't provably collude with Russia you would have less undesirable news in your feed? Think about it that way.
[citation needed]
Except that they wonâ(TM)t google canâ(TM)t stand to leave any money on the table no matter what they will end up having to do to get it.
Corporatism != Free Market
You're living in a fantasy world.
And I'm not an American, you dumb fuck.
You've got some derp on your chin...
Oh, hey, look, everybody is getting back in the pile!
Back in the pile!!!!
Dude, he like, can't hear you.
And this point stretches far beyond just this. Google, with their own corporate culture driven motives, is totally incompetent to focus on anything but the most absolute and fundamental core competencies of their business. This goes for everything under Alphabet. They have been doing a great job of screwing up all kinds of shit lately. They need to remember the core purposes behind their business's and stick with that. Stepping outside of these things in every direction is why I maintain they are they next business too big to fail. As they continue to try and be more than what they are, their fall will be one of those industry shaking overnight type deals. Give it till 2020, no later.
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It's not one Russia narrative, it's several, all of which are relevant to slashdot. It's almost like they're a major power in the world and there are a lot of facets to it!
2016 election: Russia relevant (not saying Russia did it, just it's a story)
Cybersecurity: Russia relevant
Censorship online: Russia relevant
Anything geopolitical: Russia relevant
Uranium (non-political): Russia relevant.
Wikileaks: Russia relevant.
Partisan politicial issue about GOP, dems, greens: Russia relevant.
Is it possible that you're just upset because you're worried Russia will turn out to have ties to your preferred political side (applies to all sides)?
Quick, report him to the authority! That will be the proof you need that the Russians HACKED the election, which we know is ""true""..
Hold on there cowboy! This is all fake news because Russia doesn't act upon people on the internet. Just a planted story by Hillary.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
The owners are probably taking (((Soros))) bucks now
FTFY Nazi boy.
and on the same basis, which they are absolutely guilt of. This is censorship and the attempt of silencing criticism and inconvenient truths, and pushing their own narrative to people by trying to stop them from hearing all sides to the story.
"I want more people to want to pay attention to the things i want to pay attention to" is the rallying cry of the early 21st century.
No i am not agreeing with you.
[citation needed]
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...
You're right though, really no provable connection between Trump and his campaign-manager son.
I think that we would be far better off if all Russian traffic was routed to NULL
Nah, it would mean using the USD which is riddled with debt. Which would mean China, Japan and Saudi Arabia would own most of Russia since they hold most of the US debt.
Yeah I would agree that since most of the pings I get from Russia on my websites are bots or DDoS attacks. The problem would be the greater implications if Google starts censoring Russia, such as missing out on all those really crazy "wild bear runs loose in supermarket" videos or crazy highway chase clips that make anything the US produce seem tame in comparison.
Oh, lookey a big heaping pile...
fwi, Putin has nothing to do with the American left, he is a thief who has found fellow travelers among the american right wing, you know, bannon, trump, sessions, all those piles of shat
let me get this straight. End quote, and then "retaliatory measures"? What was the actual quote?
I find myself in possession of a few mods points, then I come across this comment, and have no idea what to do:
-1 Troll? No, it's too weird to be a troll
-1 Flamebait? No, too funny to be Flamebait
+1 Insightful? Pardon? Um, no. I don't blame Slashdot for this, but maybe we need a -1 Weirdo mod (also +1 Weirdo) or -1 Poor Conspiracy Theory maybe.
Anyway, too much ALL CAPS SHOUTING.
I'm looking at RT.com's front page right now. Everything looks semi-normal, no glaring "FAKE!" story, at least stories that go completely counter to what Western media is spouting. Taking a particular piece, about Lebanon's Hariri and the whole "quitting from Saudi Arabia" debacle of the last week :
https://www.rt.com/news/410561...
Comparing said story with the Washington Post's story on the same event shows near identical facts being stated by both outlets :
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
So... what's the issue with RT.com's coverage ? Only the fact that it's state sponsered ? But by that token, so is PBS, BBC, CBC, ABC (the Australian ABC, not the American one!)... This all seems rather unfair and lacking any actual substance. It seems to be ... actual anti-Russian propaganda in a way. Maybe if Alphabet were a bit more transparent about their findings that led up to this decision. I mean, surely they're not just doing this based on the "Russian meddling" narrative, that's based on a report from a private firm like Crowdstrike... or worse... the Steele Dossier that's been proven false in many regards. And why are they not blocking Buzzfeed news ? Let's be real. Buzzfeed.
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
That story got debunked hard. The Russian lawyer was magnitsky act lobbyist, and it was a setup. Both Jr. and the Lawyer were lied to about the meeting. Also, it's not actually collusion or illegal to receive information from foreign nationals about political opponents. What's illegal is paying for it.
Not to mention the links that Natalia Veselnitskaya has with Fusion GPS, which brings us to ... You know... the DNC and Clinton campaign paying for the Steele Dossier from Fusion GPS. Why do you think nothing ever came out of the Russian Lawyer meeting ?
If anything, we're discovering that any and all collusion in the election goes through Fusion GPS. And it all ties back to the DNC.
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
This Russian-Hacked-Our-Election is a an actual Conspiracy Theory being pushed by the establishment/media.So do you believe it? If so, you belive in conspiracy theories. ;)
:)
But you posted, so that opens up another option, as in you're obviously willing to have a discussion, so here I'll provide a few links. The more people that can actually look past this mainstream media-conspiracy about a Russian-hack, the better:
The DNC server is the source of this Russian hack conspiracy that's being shoved down our throats. So if this is true, you'd think our government would have looked at it right? They haven't:
Pick through the links, they're abundant and verifiable -- even Donna B. commented on it when she somewhat betrayed the DNC-cult after releasing her book:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=DNC+...
We only have the word of Crowd Strike that maybe the DNC server was hacked. It's a belief, not a fact. So as mentioned, no one in our government has looked at it. Why is this?
http://investmentwatchblog.com...
https://www.washingtontimes.co...
I've been paying attention to what's going on, so it's hard to buy into any of this Russia-lie. And I like occasional CAPS, so suck it. Yelling is every single word in caps.
In truth the rest of the world are sick to death with both the US and Russia at this stage, including most of the people in both countries once they set foot on foreign soil (and many of them even before then).
No more room, you're already there and you've really messed it up with your abundance of derp. Now excuse me, while I leave you to your pile of derp, unless you want to learn more about the sad state of this Russian-Hacked-Our-Election Conspiracy Theory?
I think I'm reading your response wrong? If so, I apologize. I was being sarcastic on the "true" part, as there's absolutely no evidence of the hack, none at all, just an ideological-belief. But if you or others do have actual proof of this supposed hack/collusion, the entire establishment and mainstream media would worship the ground you walked on.
That story got debunked hard.
No, it didn't. We have the email. We have a Russian operative asking Jr. if he was interested in dirt about the Clintons. We have Jr. responding to the email "I love it".
Also, it's not actually collusion or illegal to receive information from foreign nationals about political opponents. What's illegal is paying for it.
Yes, we'll see. We have very smart, determined people that will decide that. Or maybe you have more evidence and research than these people and you're ready to call it? Check your scientific method bub.
What I know is that Trump's campaign at least conspired with an unfriendly foreign power to affect election results. Even if it's not illegal, America will decide if it was all in good fun, or not.
If anything, we're discovering that any and all collusion in the election goes through Fusion GPS. And it all ties back to the DNC.
No, we're not. Only nutjobs are going down that path. Seriously can you people do anything greater than regurgitate Fox news? It's just sad at this point.
Their coverage of Ron Paul's run for president and Bernie Sander's run for president was more honest and neutral than anything available via mainstream American news.
It was the disturbing and blatant total blackout of Ron Paul's run especially that first alerted me to the shocking state of American news.
No.
If you'd bothered to read my comment in the first place you'd know that I'd just rather see submissions about Linux, programming, and sci-fi.
I'm not American. I'm not Russian. I'm not interested in their politics at all.
All I want to do is come to Slashdot and find submissions about Linux, programming, and sci-fi on the front page.
It's really that simple.
Jack can't find room in the pile, everybody make some room in the pile for Jack
...because I don't need it to decide for me what's propaganda/fake news and what's not. I just need the results to be relevant to my search terms. Yes I know that some results may be fake while relevant. But I'm an adult, I can deal with that. (Of course, it's their search engine and their right—that's not the issue.)
Let me get this straight.
Someone claims without proof Russia is evil. They get modded up and it's proof Russia is evil.
Someone claims Russia isn't evil. They get modded down as being a Russian agent and it's proof Russia is evil.
Someone claims Russia isn't relevant in a given context with proof. Mixed moderation and it's proof Russia is evil.
I'm sensing a pattern.
I've read your various anon replies... You sir are a Russian. Your English is just ever so... off. Back to the cold Siberian tundra for you, comrad.
Nice try.
No, it didn't. We have the email. We have a Russian operative asking Jr. if he was interested in dirt about the Clintons. We have Jr. responding to the email "I love it".
The e-mail with Jr. was not from a Russian operative.
What I know is that Trump's campaign at least conspired with an unfriendly foreign power to affect election results.
But they didn't conspire and it didn't affect the election results.
No, we're not. Only nutjobs are going down that path. Seriously can you people do anything greater than regurgitate Fox news? It's just sad at this point.
Congress are nut jobs ?
https://www.reuters.com/articl...
You must just watch CNN.
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
Yes this much very. Is tiring so much that we Americans (go Atlanta Red Sox and Texas Redskins!) have to listen to stupid conspiracy theery about Russia and its amazing handsome president!
By your own logic that is attempted collusion at a minimum. If you "hire" an undercover cop to kill your girl friend and he doesn't, but does arrest you, it's still conspiracy to commit murder.
"When a truncheon is used in lieu of conversation" means you have NO valid rebuttal to disprove opponents. Google = bad for this crap (& so are ALL the other 'pawns' of the wannabe 'powers that be' in gov't & industry + banking).
APK
P.S.=> Whatever happened to VALIDLY TECHNICALLY DISPROVING WHAT THE OTHER MAN SAID people? A younger roommate of mine years ago once said "Hey man - your way of thinking & chivalry? Are dead!" (I refuse to believe that)... apk
Must not add to the derp no matter how tempting, it's become an epidemic this last year with too many of my fellow Americans deciding to just go with what they've been told! I must avoid the pile and hang out with the unpopular kids that don't believe in this Russian conspiracy!
Slashdot is absolutely being manipulated. It's one of the major targets of Russian info ops.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. . . . . . . .
The funny thing is that you're serious. Those green frogs really did a number on the left.
Oh noOOooooos. Feelings must have gotten hurt by some overly sensitive moderator. How dare I express a different view point. It must have encroached on their safe place. I'd rather be modded a troll, than continue to go along with this spoon-fed-conspiracy-theory about the Russians hacking, colluding, baking, or whatever our election, that's being forced down our throats by a bunch of conspiracy-theorists.
:)
BTW, I write things with a smile, but posts don't always convey that, even with this emoticon.
The funny thing is that you think anybody in America would write that.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. . . . . . . .
Why the heck would Russians bother trying to influence an irrelevant, dying, Y2K-era community like /.? It's not even worth advertising at this site, I think, never mind using it to try to influence international politics in any way at all.
If Google can't play this right, it'll give the Kremlin a legitimate reason to block Google from Russia. That's a lot of advertising revenue and a chance for other search and advertising players to move in. It may also reduce the flow of a lot of Russian search and browsing data to the NSA. That includes valuable sigint on Russian leaders and oligarchs.
So... what's the issue with RT.com's coverage ?
They're russian. You're now getting a dose of cold war politics being pushed by the left because of some ideological reason. That reason is, they're so determined to believe that it was Russia that cost Hillary the presidency, they're willing to triple down.
Om, nomnomnom...
Apple could buy it instead, and turn all of Russia into slaves making cheap iPhones.
One has to differ between these four "offizicial state media":
1. Russia Today Russian Site
2. Russia Today International Site
3. sputniknews.com Russian Site
4. sputniknews.com International Site
All four usually deliver 80% of rather well written and researched. Stuff like "heavy rain damaged a road" or "prices for apples are up". Sometimes they even critizise single politicians. Not Putin and never the system for sure. You read rarelly about the opposition.
It is the other 20% where things are getting interesting.
1. and 2. usually reports whatever the russian goverment wants to get reported and do so in a mostly sincere way. They will not outright fabricate fake news or conspiracy theories but will gladly repeat these if the goverment came up with em. Most disputed content is given a heavy pro-goverment tone.
3. and 4. are less strict about bullshit. You will sometimes read really lame fake news and strange stuff and they will not even stay clear of fabricating "alien abduction stories" and worse... also they often click traps like "war porn", "whataboutism" and such stuff.
be aware: The russian and international edition often differ on subjects.
How would they represent "fake moon landing"?
1. "it happened but most parts have been overdramatized through selective media representation"
2. "it happened but some parts have been rearranged through selective media representation"
3. "there are many people and lots of evidence it never happened that way. Most americans don't believe it either.
3. "there are some people and some evidence it never happened that way. Smarter americans don't believe it either.
fun fact, there is a german public broadcast station sputnik.de targeting teens and tweens, broadcasting music and news from entertainment which gets mixed up a lot with sputniknews.com.
"Life is short and in most cases it ends with death." Sir Sinclair
Your analogy is terrible. Stick to car ones.
I love how Trump supporters think that ignorance of the law is an excuse and then post things like this admitting that yes they broke the law, but only because the Democrats MADE THEM DO IT! Personal Responsibility? AHAHAHA #MAGA
They tuk er jrrrrrrrbs!!!!! They tuk er jrrrrrrrbs!!!
Oh yeah, you don't think everybody is gonna jump in the pile in 2017, that's because they're gonna wait until after New Years!
Yeah, it's being manipulated. This site used to have some incredibly intelligent people commenting. Now I can't tell if many of the posters are crazy, or if it is just Russian trolls. I mean, there's a comment above at +5 (Insightful) that seriously called what Putin's government is doing people power. The phrase was something along the lines of Google being "the people's bitch". Seriously... Putin's government = The People. WTF???
And what makes you think that that isn't exactly what mister putin there wants ?
With it he can isolate "his" people (just like China already does) without getting the flak for it, and at the same put some focus at the decadent west as the cause for it - creating a much-wanted rift.
He than just needs to set up his own search engine, and he has full control over who gets to see what, as well as the interests of everyone.
Nope, a smart, politically sound move as far as I can tell.
"my fellow Americans"
LOL, comrade.
I'm getting pretty tired of the whole "Russia narrative" that we get subjected to here at Slashdot again and again and again and again.
Why do we get subjected to it here at Slashdot again and again and again and again?
I'll tell you. Because it attracts so many comments, again and again and again and again, mostly from people saying what nonsense it all is. Ironic, wouldn't you say?
Putin will switch to Yahoo as search engine then.
I haven't heard the CIA referred to as "the left" before.
Putin is doing just fine and dandy and so is Russia.
Let's get SPARTUSA into the sin bin shall we. If ever there was a country that required a global trade sanctions against it, America stands head and shoulders above the rest.
Sounds like the same "reasoning" used to "teach the controversy" on intelligence design, vaccines causing autism, and whether or not climate change is happening. You know, where the media gives credence to crackpots instead of calling them out on their bullshit.
Which is what the Russia hysteria is: bullshit. There is as much evidence to support the narratives you rattled off as there is that the government is doing mind control via Chem Trails from airplanes.
Yeah. It did.
And that's the most that came out of that little chestnut. Thus the debunking.
Deep state hacks, you mean. Besides, why do Russiphobes continue to fuck this chicken after it came out that not only did the Clinton campaign solicit the Steele Dossier, it paid for it. Which relies on Russian sources.
This is pure Swiftboating from Democrats: smear your opponent of something you are guilty of.
In truth the rest of the world are sick to death with both the US and Russia at this stage
You're equating the US with Russia? Has Russia spent the last 15 years bombing countries on the other side of the planet for bullshit reasons? The U.S. has a thousand military bases around the world - how many does Russia have.
etc.
A site, that gets only 100 and between 300 "tweets" per article in a good day is a sad and dying page. ...
Nobody would give government money to a place like this, because you have to write mission reports and monetary evaluations afterwards
Did anyone ever mention to you that collusion is not a crime? However, conspiracy against the government of the USA is a crime, a high crime in fact. That is what the Trump campaign is being investigated for, that and money laundering, possibly tax evasion as well. And, oh perjury. And, hmm, assorted unconstitutional activities. And, um, obstruction of justice. Hmm, probably that's not the end of it.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
If anything, we're discovering that any and all collusion in the election goes through Fusion GPS. And it all ties back to the DNC.
What is conveniently forgotten in the ongoing efforts to whitewash Trump is that Fusion GPS was originally hired by the Republican party to gather intel on Trump. It was the GOP and their friends who started the infamous dossier not the Democrats. Then Trump became the torchbearer of Republican hopes, the next Ronald Reagan and unifier of the nation, the Fusion GPS/Steel data was orphaned because the Republicans bet the farm on Trump and in the best traditions of American capitalism Fusion GPS took their product to the next most interested party, the DNC. Steele was retained by Fusion GPS before Trump won the GOP nomination and Fusion GPS had been gathering dirt on Trump for a long time by then. Not that any of this Russia stuff is what is most likely to bring Trump down. My money is on Trump going down in flames over something money related, probably laundering money from some very dirty sources and eventually when his tax returns finally get leaked, massive amounts of tax evasion. Trump is just far too vulnerable on the money side of things and has done too much shady business with too many shady people for it not to blow back on him. The only thing that can save him now is that the American people decide that Trump is such a good president that they don't care how corrupt and generally just what a vile person he is.
In truth the rest of the world are sick to death with both the US and Russia at this stage
You're equating the US with Russia? Has Russia spent the last 15 years bombing countries on the other side of the planet for bullshit reasons?
Yes, or more specifically, Russia have been bombing nearby nations the last 15 years.
Don't pretend like Ukraine and Georgia aren't under attack from Russia.
Oh, and of course Russia is also engaged in the current conflict in Syria and a couple of other middle east nations.
And are supplying North Korea with nuclear weapons for apparently no other reason than to create instability.
The U.S. has a thousand military bases around the world - how many does Russia have.
This is such a bullshit argument. Those are NATO bases and the U.S. have soldiers there because the host countries wants them there because of Russia threatening them.
If Russia didn't behave like a dick then the host countries would have thrown the U.S. presence out long ago.
You are right in that it is wrong to equate the U.S. with Russia. The U.S. doesn't try to deny its attacks.
Uhm, you weren't concerned about Russia attacking Ukraine long before the election problems happened?
You can ignore the election tampering if you want to.
Russia is still a dictatorship that attacks surrounding nations, supplies North Korea with nukes, and pushes propaganda.
There is nothing of value coming from RT and plenty of harm so there is really no reason to not block them out.
If google gets banned from Russia
Which is what the Russia hysteria is: bullshit. There is as much evidence to support the narratives you rattled off as there is that the government is doing mind control via Chem Trails from airplanes.
Are you pretending that Russia didn't just recently do a hostile takeover of Crimea and attack Ukraine?
Are you claiming that Putin doesn't regularly kill off journalists to make sure that the news says what he wants them to say?
The things that are proven are Reason enough to be worried about Russia.
The things that everyone knows but haven't proven yet are reason enough to throw Russian collaborators in jail.
Specifically, which countries in Central America has Russia been bombing since 2002?
They aren't, you fascist POS. Georgia invaded South Ossetia and the United States overthrew the elected government of Ukraine.
At Syria's invitation, to defeat U.S. and Saudi sponsored ISIS and Al Queda terrorists occupying the country. Decidedly not a bullshit reason, as opposed to the illegal American wars on Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia....
NK built their own nukes as regime change insurance against the invasion the U.S. has been practicing every year since the 90's. You aren't even trying here, are you?
Your bullshit. It's NATO that's been threatening Russia, not Russia threatening anyone else. But again: how many bases does Russia have around the world compared to the United States?
Crimea overwhelmingly voted to join Russia after your literal neo-Nazi pals in Ukraine started passing legislation hostile to minorities. Pals that were put in place when the United States overthrew the elected government of Ukraine.
So get the fuck outta here with your neocon propaganda.
Let's go ahead and say that all these assassinations actually happened and aren't just unproven neocon propaganda. Putin's still no worse than the United States, which has persecuted journalists and whisteblowers on its own soil, deliberately bombed press offices on foreign soil, and asked for journalists to be kept in brutal prisons for the "crime" of revealing U.S. claims on cluster bombs to be...neocon propaganda.
I've a better idea. You don't read it coward. We don;t need any more propaganda in here.
The're sleeping as they intake their intravenous koolade.
probably that's not the end of it.
Of course not. We won't see the end of it until the democrats admit that the reason they lost is that they had the only candidate worse than Trump.
As it looks, they are not going to admit that even when the alternative to admitting and fixing their mistakes is another four years of Trump.
Actually the pee tape dossier came out long before the DNC started funding the research, at the time of the report it was Republican funded.
And I'm sure that Yandex boosts the ranking of Google search results in their listings, since fair is fair.
RT pumps out conspiracy theories on an industrial scale. For example, here is a compilation of 50 of their 9/11 conspiracy theories: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Granted, Fox like a good conspiracy too, but even they can't match RT's dedication to manufacturing bullshit. They have reposted material from Infowars and had uber-conspiracy nut Alex Jones on many times. This story is a good example, this being the Infowars original.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
"advertising at this site" isn't an English phrase, comrade.
Because all 4chan users are clearly not Americans and mostly Russians...
The whole point of the EU is, to counter the US influence,
Really? I thought the whole point of the EU was to prevent another European war by promoting trade and cooperation in Europe modeled after the US? Effectively the EU is what the Articles of Confederation were. Go figure that when a region under a unified economy gain more influence.
cry me a river
66,200 repetitions do not always make one truth, not when you are as retarded as the people who are trying to hijack our country from under us.
That said, if you people spent about half as much energy learning Russian, you spend bashing it you would read on RT.com
Preventivnyy shag, sovet federatsii podderzhal zakonoproekt o SMI-inoagentakh. Preventative step, Federation Council aproves legislative bill on media agents.
That's right. They are already retaliating.
There's plenty of evidence, it's existence just isn't being covered by the news outlets you read.
whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout
Yeah. It did.
No, it didn't. This may come as a surprise, but just saying something doesn't make it true. You see how I linked a story from a reputable news source? One that includes citations and includes their sources? Welcome to Facts 101, where don't swallow your baseless troll crap anymore.
And that's the most that came out of that little chestnut. Thus the debunking.
That's enough for me. Putting aside whether there's a crime, it's f'ing awful to collude (not in the legal sense, relax) with an aggressive foreign power for your own gain. America first, not the Republican party, and not T's investments.
Besides, why do Russiphobes continue to fuck this chicken after it came out that not only did the Clinton campaign solicit the Steele Dossier
Curious. Why is there no investigation? Why can't the sitting president, with a majority congress get an investigation into this obvious crime by Hilary? Why is there instead an investigation into Trump et. al? Why have multiple people from Trump's crew been indicted? Why did *nothing* come out of years of prior investigation into H's various financial and political dealings? 5+ years of digging and nothing? The Republican party has *all* the power right now. What gives?
A little Occam's Razor might benefit you here.
The e-mail with Jr. was not from a Russian operative.
Define "operative". I define it has someone operating on behalf of Russia or Russian investors. So yes, it was.
If you deny that, maybe you could explain their motivation? What did this person stand to gain? Just a concerned Russian citizen then? Duh.
But they didn't conspire and it didn't affect the election results.
You trolls can repeat this until you're blue in the face. We aren't listening anymore. We're going to listen to the results of the people that are researching this, that have access to information and facts. You, and I, know nothing at this point.
Congress are nut jobs ?
I'm all for investigating everyone. The R's had 5 years of investigation into Hilary. What came of that anyway?
But anyway, as a final thought, ruminate on this: R's own this country right now. They can do anything they want. Why is a special council investigating Trump et. al and not the obvious criminal here Hilary Clinton? A little common sense, and a bit of Occam's Razor will serve you well here.
Sucks to be you, Ivan
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Ah, sorry about that, you are completely correct. Does not mean that Trump and his cronies should escape prosecution.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
... then i doubt you'd recognize the real news when it's staring you in the face, such as the fact of google choosing what news outlets will have exposure at all. Sleep tight little sheep
You can go through the same exercise on most serious news sites, and reach the same conclusion. Most of their content, most of the time, is fine.
But there are exceptions. Those exceptions matter all the more, because the site is genuine enough to be taken seriously. (This, too, is true for every news provider.)
What matters, then, and what makes the difference, is how those exceptions arise and how they're handled. If they're "honest mistakes", then you'd expect them to follow no consistent editorial line - they'd have no consistent political agenda behind them. And when errors are revealed, they'd be handled in an honest and transparent fashion.
Neither of those things happen on RT. The "errors" are systematically made in a certain direction, and they're not corrected. The pattern is clear enough that other publishers, like Google, who transmit their work are more than justified in putting a warning label on it.
Yes, you can certainly make a case that the same is true of, e.g., the Washington Post. But that's another matter. (And I don't see any government stepping up to defend the honor of the WP.)
Da comrade.
How long are you going to continue making up this shit about Putin attacking Ukraine to save it from a "Neo Nazi"? Anyone who is actually interested in the truth should, perhaps, check the Wikipedia page about the conflict. It tells a completely different story, and with good reason: the Russian propaganda is 100% false.
The funny thing is you making outlandish claims with zero evidence, then saying those that disagree aren't American.
So in other words they are reporting on all sides.
Yea.. ok.. sounds like they are doing us a favor. I get Alex Jones is a nut job- but Fox news ain't much better. It's just more crap from one biased perspective.
Actually that's false:
That an anonymous GOP donor funded research in the primary does nothing to change the fact that Hillary did as well, and did what she accused Trump of doing: conspiring with foreign interests to influence an election in the United States.
Yeah. It was. Copying and pasting since you skipped over it the first time:
This isn't a hard subject. No one is denying the meeting took place. But that's as far as it went - a meeting. The person wasn't a foreign intelligence agent (as opposed to Steele), no actionable information was given (as opposed to Steele) and no money changed hands (as opposed to Steele).
Lulz. NYTimes reputable? They're a printing press for neocon propaganda:
You first, Slick.
Because neocons don't investigate other neocons. Also, Google "Kabuki theater". Any more is-water-wet questions, or are we done here?
How long are you going to continue making shit up about Putin attacking Ukraine? Years of neocon blather and not one photo from a drone or spy satellite, only pictures posted to social media by your literal neo-Nazi pals.
But even if Putin outright invaded Ukraine, it would only be a million times more justified than any U.S. "intervention" you could name, given the fact that the U.S. overthrew the elected government. It's not like the U.S. would just sit with its thumb up its ass if Russia overthrew the elected government of Mexico and immediately moved to expand the Warsaw Pact to America's border.
The facts are indisputable. It's a fact that the United States spent billions to subvert Ukraine's democracy - the assistant Secretary of State is on video - right in front of a big Chevron banner - bragging about it. It's a fact that snipers and junta security officials have confessed to being behind the the attacks on protestors and police. It's a fact that the vote to impeach Yankovich was unconstitutional as it lacked the necessary votes. It's a fact that the United States swooped in and recognized the junta as "legitimate" and immediately gave it money and weapons.
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Clean that beam outta your eye before whining about the mote in the other guy's.
Birthers said the same thing about Obama being born in Kenya. They had just as much evidence for their claims as do you neo-McCarthyites that Russia had anything to do with anything.
So many butthurt Russians here that Google must be doing the right thing.
The Republicans I know have been acting exactly the same way since before Bush Jr. was president. Obama tipped the majority of them over the edge, and Trump simply balanced that out by causing the Democrats to go apeshit in a similiar manner to Obama.
America has mostly just devolved into a fuck you the other guy state, and while I am pretty sure this Russia meddling will involve further revelations, it was some ash from a Russian cigarette onto a bonfire Americans have been piling up for 20 odd years now.
Really, America is due for a second Civil War, following by a sucessful segregation on political instead of racial grounds.
The funny thing is that you think its an outlandish claim and that his post is just 'disagreeing'.
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What evidence do you have that a dying tech website is a major target of Russia ops?
Oh noes me grammar not well? You reveal yourself by your inability to do much other than hurl insults. Mark of a pure troll.
Consider yourself disregarded and irrelevant.
No links. No data. Another rambling troll post.
Consider yourself disregarded and irrelevant. Keep posting though after all it's your job.
Other than the link to an Intercept piece showing that the source of your link is a propaganda rag. See, this is why you never go Full Russiaphobe - it makes you say stupid shit.
Uh huh. Do let us know when you have more evidence than the Birthers, Chem Trailers and Anti-vaxxers have for their bullshit theories.
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Dense.
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Also you're obviously FSB.
Nope. If you can't get remedial current events right, you could at least go for knowing your grammar when it comes to possessives.
Yeah, and I'm sure you accused anyone of questioning the Iraq war as being a Saddam sympathizer. You're (note the correct usage) as full of shit now as you were in 2003.