For me this is the foundation of Java. Don't look at is a language - its strength is its ability to employ its father - c - when necessary.
For me, Java is much more a framework. It is THE intermediate code (and in my opinion JVM bytecode is the language every student should start off learning, I say controversially!). You can even argue for it on ethical grounds. It promotes many rivall architectures, as Java is compatible with them all.
Until someone comes up with a rival intermediated code representation (there is no point in doing this), Java may be around allot longer than you might think. If a rival (final and eternal) intermediate code doescomes along, I believe Sun would be the company to create it. But why bother??
Dammit this is infuriating! Stop comparing java to c, it s so.. last decade! Sun have excellent c compilers. Thats really all Java is these days. Its a load of stack instructions that are completely platform neutral. that are optimized according to the particualar target platform and translated into c binary.
This translation is often worth the cost because of the optimizations gained.
If you cannot understand this, then you will not grasp why J2ME CDC/CLDC is generally the preferred solution for mobile communication and embedded software....
When are you going to learn. The Java interpreter compiles nearly everything into highly optimized native C code in the end anyway.
As ususal, people are getting the argument completely wrong.
When it comres doen to it its a race between group 1 who download the generic 386 binary to run because they dont know what to pick VS. a java program that will pick the right one for you and compile almost everything into Sun native c binary. I know what I would pick!
Yeah, I do think there is a need for greater standards in Sowftware Engineering. It seems that any shmo could get a job "programming" when the Economy is strong.
But the real issue is that "what goes around comes around". We live in a completely unbalnced "global Economy". Every time you buy a bar of chocolate, your money goes to some greedy chocolate importer that baught the cocoa beans used to make that chocolate for a tiny fraction of the market price by the time it reaches a supermarket shelf.
So, when you use this as an analogy for whats happening on a global scale, it starts to make sense that we desserve EVERYTHING we get!!
So what if Indians are taking jobs. Its not there fault. If you lived in India you'd do the same,
and whats the difference between a greedy cocoa importer who promotes the slavery of people in the Ivory coast, and a greedy CEO who wants to increase profits with that same slave labour. There is no difference, they are both about greed..
The problem (the one we have ignored and will continue to ignore, forever!!!, or at least until nuclear apocalypse) is that capitalism is COMPLETELY unsustainable, and will eventually turn this world into a bunch of corporate machines (if it hasn't already!)
j00 suck0x
the winner is the one that has the most fun, moron
perhaps EQ was a bit too hard for you, putting shaped blocks into holes sounds much more your thing
Another example of your simple flamebait reply style!, hehehh
I wonder if there is some kind of perverted M$ witchcraft to this:
Linux can potentially look bad because if the source code used by Linux is partly from SCO, then the handing over of this source code is far from transparent.
Microsoft can appear to be far more transparent in the way they divulge "source code"..seeming almost honerable.
Maybe I'm just being cynical again
Windows was forged in the fires of Mount Doom. Only there can it be unmade.
Yes, but have you noticed the correlation between the Linux UI paradigm and the MS one.
Thats right, Linux UI's are getting more and more M$ looking these days, playing into their hands, and why not use an MS installer too, while your at it. There seems to be only UI paradigm out there at the moment, dark days..
Ahh, finally, someone who understands. I had to read a bit b4 I found your post.
The timing is good too. There are lots of good O/S installers out there right now, which will now be rivalled by the M$ one. Still though, the fact that they deemed it necessary is a sacrifice I'm glad they made.
Yes, but that can be overcome with a web based e-mail interface.
Its a simple idea:
Problem: sender is not on recievers whitelist
Solution: There is an alternative means of sending mail. sender just has to solve a simple puzzle or retype "fuzzy" text from the screen, at some designated page. The solution to the puzzle, together with senders e-mail are encrypted and sent off to the recievers web server. The senders e-mail is then TEMPORARILY added to the whitelist - i.e allowed to complete 1 smtp packet delivery for example, and then his/her mail address is removed from the whitelist The sender then sends his/her mail (smtp) to the reciever. If the sender is a spammer, he cannot resend additional messages until he refills out another puzzle!!. So now the only way an anymous mailer daemon can spam is if it has AI built in, lets see the spammers take that challenge on!
But do people want to implement systems like this, let alone whitelists??
People generally don't care that much about the decreased bandwidth - a problem which can also be solved - use port knocking algorithm of some kind!
And besides, spamming is pretty sophisticated these days, if the mail delivery fails, the target e-mail is often removed from the list of e-mail addresses they are trying to send scam e-mails to ( as far as I know ) I promise I'm not a spammer, I am interested in the subject though. I do believe whitelisting is the way to go! Only way to be sure!
Bingo, I can't understand why e-mail never evolved to allow ONLY whitelists in the first place. Our company doesn't use whitelists, just crappy blacklist rules, and now loads of people have spam!
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Exactly,
For me this is the foundation of Java. Don't look at is a language - its strength is its ability to employ its father - c - when necessary.
For me, Java is much more a framework. It is THE intermediate code (and in my opinion JVM bytecode is the language every student should start off learning, I say controversially!).
You can even argue for it on ethical grounds.
It promotes many rivall architectures, as Java is compatible with them all.
Until someone comes up with a rival intermediated code representation (there is no point in doing this), Java may be around allot longer than you might think. If a rival (final and eternal) intermediate code doescomes along, I believe Sun would be the company to create it.
But why bother??
Dammit this is infuriating!
Stop comparing java to c, it s so.. last decade!
Sun have excellent c compilers. Thats really all Java is these days. Its a load of stack instructions that are completely platform neutral.
that are optimized according to the particualar target platform and translated into c binary.
This translation is often worth the cost because of the optimizations gained.
If you cannot understand this, then you will not grasp why J2ME CDC/CLDC is generally the preferred solution for mobile communication and embedded software....
When are you going to learn.
The Java interpreter compiles nearly everything into highly optimized native C code in the end anyway.
As ususal, people are getting the argument completely wrong.
When it comres doen to it its a race between group 1 who download the generic 386 binary
to run because they dont know what to pick VS. a java program that will pick the right one for you and compile almost everything into Sun native c binary. I know what I would pick!
for:
Ray-tracing is far cooler!!!
Girl_A: Hi, wanna play barbie, K.D.
K.D.: l0g0ff
Gee, who cares?
Why are there so many posts regarding infrastructure etc. in the UK etc.
Stories about whats happening in France and Germany etc. are more interesting. Those countries
seem to be more news worthy..
But what greedy f*** can they get to play PACMAN???
Yeah, I do think there is a need for greater standards in Sowftware Engineering. It seems that any shmo could get a job "programming" when the Economy is strong.
But the real issue is that "what goes around comes around". We live in a completely unbalnced "global Economy". Every time you buy a bar of chocolate, your money goes to some greedy chocolate importer that baught the cocoa beans used to make that chocolate for a tiny fraction of the market price by the time it reaches a supermarket shelf.
So, when you use this as an analogy for whats happening on a global scale, it starts to make sense that we desserve EVERYTHING we get!!
So what if Indians are taking jobs. Its not there fault. If you lived in India you'd do the same,
and whats the difference between a greedy cocoa importer who promotes the slavery of people in the Ivory coast,
and a greedy CEO who wants to increase profits with that same slave labour.
There is no difference, they are both about greed..
The problem (the one we have ignored and will continue to ignore, forever!!!, or at least until nuclear apocalypse) is that capitalism is COMPLETELY unsustainable, and will eventually turn this world into a bunch of corporate machines (if it hasn't already!)
~Na, this is better
.....
No, you don't because we're obviously never going to aggree if it's the matter of whitelisting...
Thanks, your's was the only reply worth reading!
j00 suck0x
the winner is the one that has the most fun, moron
perhaps EQ was a bit too hard for you, putting shaped blocks into holes sounds much more your thing
Another example of your simple flamebait reply style!, hehehh
And that was a generic, non-original parrot reply on behalf of:
DrSkwid
Thats not true of all spam mail.
Yes, but what about Gnome,
I am sad to say , my Mandrk. distro includes an XP clone skin, yuk.
I hate the XP UI, "K is not too bad..
No, thats not true.
The millionaire spammers - the ones making serious money from mass mailing use their own h/w
I wonder if there is some kind of perverted M$ witchcraft to this:
Linux can potentially look bad because if the source code used by Linux is partly from SCO, then the handing over of this source code is far from transparent.
Microsoft can appear to be far more transparent in the way they divulge "source code"..seeming almost honerable.
Maybe I'm just being cynical again
Windows was forged in the fires of Mount Doom. Only there can it be unmade.
Yes, but have you noticed the correlation between the Linux UI paradigm and the MS one.
Thats right, Linux UI's are getting more and more M$ looking these days, playing into their hands, and why not use an MS installer too, while your at it.
There seems to be only UI paradigm out there at the moment, dark days..
Ahh, finally, someone who understands. I had to read a bit b4 I found your post.
The timing is good too. There are lots of good O/S installers out there right now, which will now be rivalled by the M$ one.
Still though, the fact that they deemed it necessary is a sacrifice I'm glad they made.
I came across a nice implementation for anti-spam a while ago - temporary hash mails.
You may know it:
Works as follows:
You want to contact them so you give THEM *YOUR* email address they then send a temporary e-mail addresss you can reach them at, of the form:
AZ34Z76ZSD6Z6SDG76SD67Z3@.xxx
I think it's a great idea, an idea I had myself, but it's still great _someone_ implemented it first..
Yes, but that can be overcome with a web based e-mail interface.
Its a simple idea:
Problem: sender is not on recievers whitelist
Solution: There is an alternative means of sending mail. sender just has to solve a simple puzzle or retype "fuzzy" text from the screen, at some designated page. The solution to the puzzle, together with senders e-mail are encrypted and sent off to the recievers web server. The senders e-mail is then TEMPORARILY added to the whitelist - i.e allowed to complete 1 smtp packet delivery for example, and then his/her mail address is removed from the whitelist
The sender then sends his/her mail (smtp) to the reciever. If the sender is a spammer, he cannot resend additional messages until he refills out another puzzle!!. So now the only way an anymous mailer daemon can spam is if it has AI built in,
lets see the spammers take that challenge on!
But do people want to implement systems like this, let alone whitelists??
No, they'd rather we all got spammed to oblivion!
People generally don't care that much about the decreased bandwidth - a problem which can also be solved - use port knocking algorithm of some kind!
And besides, spamming is pretty sophisticated these days, if the mail delivery fails, the target e-mail is often removed from the list of e-mail addresses they are trying to send scam e-mails to ( as far as I know )
I promise I'm not a spammer, I am interested in the subject though.
I do believe whitelisting is the way to go!
Only way to be sure!
Bingo,
I can't understand why e-mail never evolved to allow ONLY whitelists in the first place.
Our company doesn't use whitelists, just crappy blacklist rules, and now loads of people have spam!
d'oh,
that's English-African, or Englishman of African extraction.
Ahh, it is an easy mistake to make *0*
Yea, ditto on the hmmmm
If he had a London accent, shouldn't he be described as English-American???