Bill Gates does not play poker very well. It is well known that he plays low stakes Texas hold'em, a community card variant.
Urban Legend or just Apocryphal, the story goes Bill Gates was playing $3-$6 Texas Hold'em at the Mirage Casino in Las Vegas in the early 90's. Seeing Doyle Brunson, 2 time World Series of NL Hold'em Poker, playing $2000-$4000 Hold'em in the upper section, Bill Gates had a lacky go buy Doyle Brunson's book -- Super System, co-authored by David Sklansky, Mike Caro, Chip Reese, and Bobby Baldwin (current casino mananger of Mirage). He [Gates] then sent the lacky over to get the book autographed. Doyle Brunson is reported to have said something like: "If the richest man in the world doesn't have the guts to come over and play me, I'm certainly not going to give him my autograph".
Oh, and as for Linux 2.4 and 2.6 insurance -- is this implicitly admitting that SCO actually has a case against 2.5?
Here is the scoop. The SPARC64-V made by Fujitsu beats the pants off the UltraSPARC-V made by Sun. So, McNealy finally made a smart decision and killed the UltraSPARC-V project.
This is true of UltraSPARC-IV, not UltraSPARC-V.
Sun's UltraSPARC-V was going to be a traditional continuation of the SPARC line vis-a-vis bigger faster more Hertz. Sun's next generation processor is going to focus on non-traditional approvements vis-a-vis multi-core processors like 2, 4, 8 processors on a chip. Something like 7 CPU cores for ALU and 1 CPU core for FPU or 6 ALU 1 FPU 1 IO core.
Sun didnt' sell it's principles. Sun sold it's soul.
Microsoft is positioning itself to battle linux. To do so, they cross license IP with Sun for Solaris innards with its excellent scaleability and enterprise class functionality. This means a new class Operating system derived from Solaris and Windows with quite possibly a small piece of the pie to SCO.
Meanwhile, Sun is going to migrate away from Sparc. They simply cannot compete in the proprietary CPU market. Look for them to adopt and have a hand in developing AMD processors with multi-core CPUs that run the new hybrid OS. Then Sun will market the server, workstation, Desktop based systems. Microsoft will get a cut of the hardware business as Sun gets a cut of the software business. Sco get residual license fees, and Linux gets another 10 years to catch up.
And why can't competition with Linux propell Solaris to bigger and better things such that it does become more attractive the linux? Is this your fear?
I thought it was the purpose of open source to promote competition so that vendors make better and better products to keep up with something that you can largely get for free. Heck, you can largely get Solaris for free.. sans 8 processor license. It already sells for nominal disk fee of $75. Heck, what does Redhat sell their free version of Linux for?
Maybe Sun has plans for Java in the future that don't fit with open source? Kudos to them. They don't need to make it open source so somebody can fork it, then make and sell their own distribution without paying a dime to Sun.
Even if you are the subject of fraud, they are difficult to deal with. As I found out when somebody used a valid CC, then reported it as a faudulent transaction on Ebay. So I lose $90, appeal it, find out that my sort of transaction is not covered in the sellers protection plan by Neither ebay or paypal.
They won't tell me who it was, who charged back or any other information about the person other then it was a unautharized transaction.
60 days later my account is unfrozen and I'm billed or the transaction fee, a chargeback fee and I'm out $90.
My biggest gripe is, all that stuff they require you to send when under investigation, like utility bill, bank statement (I refused) etc... they should require up front to open the account.
No, what IBM has to do is show the code in their code base that SCO is accusing IBM of stealing. IBM doesnt' have to just start dumping reams and reams of code.
To much emphasis on different languages proving the basis for the yet undiscovered or killer heuristics or algorithm.
Think about writing programs in Assembly language (yes, it still exists). It's based on pure cognitive and logical reasoning. When I program, I dont' think in *any* language but rather in relationships, sets, supersets, subsets, and math functions.
One can probably argue the opposite, that as we unify in languages, and as local colloquialsms influence the development of languages, we'll actually be enhancing our reasoning ability.
Mainframe computer technology dead because of advances in Windows technology? I don't think so. Distrubuted computing just has not fufilled it promises or lived up to expectations.
Mainframes have adapted and are now partionable and domainable such that one mainframe can be partitioned into many sub-mainframes for different departments or divisions.
Hardly a dieing technology. Been kinda of robust for the last 40 years or so.
Honestly because Windows knows all the ins and outs of its OS and undoubtably makes it difficult for 3rd party applications to run well.
I've never been satisfied with Quicktime or RealAudio and never realy have had problems with WM player.
Thats the way it is and I believe M$ should have been broken up so that 3rd party apps at least have a chance to be competative.
As it is right now, 3rd party apps targetted by Microsoft simply cannot compete and make money and I don't have time in my life to wrestle with products continously being sabatoged by MS, crippled ware or little used variants.
Funny, I got my forte for free. I just can't make a commercial application with it and sell it and not pay anything for the tool. But I can play with and learn with it all I want.
Is your problem that forte isn't for free for people developing commercial applications with it?
You are missing the point if you think this is pathetic.
Sun is making an entry into the low end PC OS market with an OS alternative to M$.
Java Desktop capitalizes on the goodwill Sun has built up in the Java name. Why shouldn't they or why can't they capitalize on it? They invest time money and effort in developing it and making standards and keeping other people from polluting it.
Yes, right now for the entry level and firt year marketting, it is a Java Brand mainly rather then Java Platform. But if successfull and gains entry, doubtless Sun and many developers will pour 100's of millions of $$$$ into developing it into something that takes M$ on head to head.
Everybody forgets Sun bought Staroffice for millions and then gave it away to the community. Now they are all agag that after improving staroffice, integrating it into linux distro called java desktop and want to sell it for $75.
If Linus is being subpoened by SCO and Linus isn't a named defendent, isn't SCO responsible for his travel and time off expenses?
While it's entirely Linus's option to have legal representation, shouldn't SCO have to foot the bill for that too? In essence SCO is subpoening Linus as an expert witness.
INAL, but it seems to me that the GPL cannot be trashed in its entirety. The GPL has an intent and a set of provisions and a set of restrictions. It may be that a certain restriction or a certain provision are found unenforceable, but this doesn't mean the whole license then becomes unenforceable.
Well, once you get past the U.S environmental protection agency, the EU equivilent of the environmnetal protection agency, the U.N equivilent of the environmental protection agency, Completed all the studies required by Kyoto, Brussels, Madrid and so forth..., Bribed Operation greenpeace to make sure they don't ram your off shore rig with the Rainbow II, Contacted ELF, environmental liberation front and made sure they won't sneak on and torche your project, then the Sierra club, to keep them from suing you to stop, NAACP to make sure you are racially diverse, then of course set up your 3 gender bathrooms for male, female and those that just can't decide.
That should take about 3 decades and about 99 Billion dollars. OK?
It's not BS. The market proves it. Sure you and I and most everybody can go out and pick up a clone PC and put linux on it and support it and use it. But corporate American doesn't because it is still not supported enough, still not cost savings enough, still not prevalent enough or compatible enough.
You forget that like 75% of computer users know absolutely nothing about computers or OS's enought to maintain them themselves or for others.
That and they don't talk about remedies of contract breach.
There is a certain amount of goodwill in contracts. I'm sure that notifying somebody in a timely manner that they are in violation is one of them, along with remedies enumerated in the contract.
Not like patent infrindgement, where it is common to let the other guy get up and running and making money before you sue the rug out from underthem.
Worthwhile to note that all of SCO's claim of Patent and IP and copyright infrindgement does not address the contract license of Unix by IBM from AT&T and thus SCO. The are inevitably separate issues.
After the hugely successfull E10k Sun dumped a ton of money into developing next generation sparc processors which simply don't cut it.
Had Sun formed a strong bond and strategic alliance with AMD and focused on a hybrid, yet commodity processor technology they would be much better off today, and in position to enter the desktop market.
AMD already saw the future with the Athlon. Had a respected company like Sun jumped on that bandwagon, I have no doubt that both companies would be sitting very pretty right now.
I don't know why this obvious flamebait, troll, and off topic post was moderated up. Perhaps we have a bunch of anti-sun mods today.
Like why should a company offer indemnification to somebody not running the company hardware and some 3rd party distro of an open source -- in the case of HP. Or indemnification for somebody running ancient hardware with software that that they didn't distribute or qualify?
It's great that your friend/customer was able to extend mileage out of it's aging Sun Equpment. It speaks good things of Sun hardware. But why do you expect sun to support them for free? I guarantee you Sun didn't say flat out no. Cause with Sun, if it is not EOL'ed support is merely a contract away -- Just like everybody elses business model.
Your comment was long on adjectives and very short on facts. Sun's sales and marketing teams are no worse then say IBM's, or HP's in that they'll do their homework and swamp you with pro's and con's in upgrading -- just as I'm sure your customer does when they approach their customers.
Alot of reasons. We'll start with large complex chips. No, the pins aren't at the end of the chip, they are underneath the chip. BGA, CGA, LGA, ball grid, colume grid or land grid array.
Then we'll go to... well, they sorta did. They just enclosed it into one big chip.
Then of course Heat and cooling and power requirments.
Then onto manufacturability and repairability. Don't want to have a $15k board that has to be thrown away whenever there are problems with it. You do want to be able to repair it.
Next on to glue logic or glue componants such as current limiting resisters, pull ups, pull downs, bypass and decoupling capacitance.
No. What you don't understand or realize is that Bill Joy actually left 2 years ago, when he "retired" into distinguished senior engineer, from CTO.
This latest move by Bill Joy, full retirement is merely a continuation of that.
At least thats how I see it.
Not insightfull, nor informative, but neither flamebait or a troll. Lets just call it half the picture.
Million dollar big iron hardware isn't just thrown together with a bunch of off the shelf parts. It takes many skilled marketing analysts to research whats missing in the industry, then many more skilled systems engineers to try and build something that incorporates those features.
Then many skilled integration engineers to put it together in a working and commercially viable manner -- along with many skilled Software engineers to tie all the pieces together and make it work and compatible with the current roadmap.
Then, knowledgeable sales force to sell it along with superb support, because with big iron, without support, you won't be selling many.
Now, take the product design cycle of 3 years and calculate that into how many man years in engineering it takes to get that out the door -- factoring in agency compliance, benchmarking, serviceability and advertising.
Get the picture? 100's of millions of dollars in NRE and R&D and 100's of millions of dollars in salaries make for a huge overhead, and for what? For the love of the game?
I predict within a week of sco sending out invoices and bills to Linux people, Many Criminal referrals will be forwarded to the USPO.
They will have to act. Sending out blanket invoices to companies in hopes that some percentage of them paying, sounds like an illegal get rich scheme to me.
Otherwise, why don't we all just create invoices and just swamp the corporate world with $54 invoices for 1 box of Xerox paper?
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Urban Legend or just Apocryphal, the story goes Bill Gates was playing $3-$6 Texas Hold'em at the Mirage Casino in Las Vegas in the early 90's. Seeing Doyle Brunson, 2 time World Series of NL Hold'em Poker, playing $2000-$4000 Hold'em in the upper section, Bill Gates had a lacky go buy Doyle Brunson's book -- Super System, co-authored by David Sklansky, Mike Caro, Chip Reese, and Bobby Baldwin (current casino mananger of Mirage). He [Gates] then sent the lacky over to get the book autographed. Doyle Brunson is reported to have said something like: "If the richest man in the world doesn't have the guts to come over and play me, I'm certainly not going to give him my autograph".
Oh, and as for Linux 2.4 and 2.6 insurance -- is this implicitly admitting that SCO actually has a case against 2.5?
This is true of UltraSPARC-IV, not UltraSPARC-V.
Sun's UltraSPARC-V was going to be a traditional continuation of the SPARC line vis-a-vis bigger faster more Hertz. Sun's next generation processor is going to focus on non-traditional approvements vis-a-vis multi-core processors like 2, 4, 8 processors on a chip. Something like 7 CPU cores for ALU and 1 CPU core for FPU or 6 ALU 1 FPU 1 IO core.
Dubbed Throughput computing.
Microsoft is positioning itself to battle linux. To do so, they cross license IP with Sun for Solaris innards with its excellent scaleability and enterprise class functionality. This means a new class Operating system derived from Solaris and Windows with quite possibly a small piece of the pie to SCO.
Meanwhile, Sun is going to migrate away from Sparc. They simply cannot compete in the proprietary CPU market. Look for them to adopt and have a hand in developing AMD processors with multi-core CPUs that run the new hybrid OS. Then Sun will market the server, workstation, Desktop based systems. Microsoft will get a cut of the hardware business as Sun gets a cut of the software business. Sco get residual license fees, and Linux gets another 10 years to catch up.
I thought it was the purpose of open source to promote competition so that vendors make better and better products to keep up with something that you can largely get for free. Heck, you can largely get Solaris for free .. sans 8 processor license. It already sells for nominal disk fee of $75. Heck, what does Redhat sell their free version of Linux for?
Maybe Sun has plans for Java in the future that don't fit with open source? Kudos to them. They don't need to make it open source so somebody can fork it, then make and sell their own distribution without paying a dime to Sun.
They won't tell me who it was, who charged back or any other information about the person other then it was a unautharized transaction.
60 days later my account is unfrozen and I'm billed or the transaction fee, a chargeback fee and I'm out $90.
My biggest gripe is, all that stuff they require you to send when under investigation, like utility bill, bank statement (I refused) etc ... they should require up front to open the account.
No, what IBM has to do is show the code in their code base that SCO is accusing IBM of stealing. IBM doesnt' have to just start dumping reams and reams of code.
Think about writing programs in Assembly language (yes, it still exists). It's based on pure cognitive and logical reasoning. When I program, I dont' think in *any* language but rather in relationships, sets, supersets, subsets, and math functions.
One can probably argue the opposite, that as we unify in languages, and as local colloquialsms influence the development of languages, we'll actually be enhancing our reasoning ability.
Please mod down for name dropping Chomsky.
Mainframes have adapted and are now partionable and domainable such that one mainframe can be partitioned into many sub-mainframes for different departments or divisions.
Hardly a dieing technology. Been kinda of robust for the last 40 years or so.
I've never been satisfied with Quicktime or RealAudio and never realy have had problems with WM player.
Thats the way it is and I believe M$ should have been broken up so that 3rd party apps at least have a chance to be competative.
As it is right now, 3rd party apps targetted by Microsoft simply cannot compete and make money and I don't have time in my life to wrestle with products continously being sabatoged by MS, crippled ware or little used variants.
Is your problem that forte isn't for free for people developing commercial applications with it?
Sun is making an entry into the low end PC OS market with an OS alternative to M$.
Java Desktop capitalizes on the goodwill Sun has built up in the Java name. Why shouldn't they or why can't they capitalize on it? They invest time money and effort in developing it and making standards and keeping other people from polluting it.
Yes, right now for the entry level and firt year marketting, it is a Java Brand mainly rather then Java Platform. But if successfull and gains entry, doubtless Sun and many developers will pour 100's of millions of $$$$ into developing it into something that takes M$ on head to head.
Everybody forgets Sun bought Staroffice for millions and then gave it away to the community. Now they are all agag that after improving staroffice, integrating it into linux distro called java desktop and want to sell it for $75.
While it's entirely Linus's option to have legal representation, shouldn't SCO have to foot the bill for that too? In essence SCO is subpoening Linus as an expert witness.
That should take about 3 decades and about 99 Billion dollars. OK?
You forget that like 75% of computer users know absolutely nothing about computers or OS's enought to maintain them themselves or for others.
There is a certain amount of goodwill in contracts. I'm sure that notifying somebody in a timely manner that they are in violation is one of them, along with remedies enumerated in the contract.
Not like patent infrindgement, where it is common to let the other guy get up and running and making money before you sue the rug out from underthem.
Worthwhile to note that all of SCO's claim of Patent and IP and copyright infrindgement does not address the contract license of Unix by IBM from AT&T and thus SCO. The are inevitably separate issues.
Had Sun formed a strong bond and strategic alliance with AMD and focused on a hybrid, yet commodity processor technology they would be much better off today, and in position to enter the desktop market.
AMD already saw the future with the Athlon. Had a respected company like Sun jumped on that bandwagon, I have no doubt that both companies would be sitting very pretty right now.
Like why should a company offer indemnification to somebody not running the company hardware and some 3rd party distro of an open source -- in the case of HP. Or indemnification for somebody running ancient hardware with software that that they didn't distribute or qualify?
It's great that your friend/customer was able to extend mileage out of it's aging Sun Equpment. It speaks good things of Sun hardware. But why do you expect sun to support them for free? I guarantee you Sun didn't say flat out no. Cause with Sun, if it is not EOL'ed support is merely a contract away -- Just like everybody elses business model.
Your comment was long on adjectives and very short on facts. Sun's sales and marketing teams are no worse then say IBM's, or HP's in that they'll do their homework and swamp you with pro's and con's in upgrading -- just as I'm sure your customer does when they approach their customers.
Then we'll go to ... well, they sorta did. They just enclosed it into one big chip.
Then of course Heat and cooling and power requirments.
Then onto manufacturability and repairability. Don't want to have a $15k board that has to be thrown away whenever there are problems with it. You do want to be able to repair it.
Next on to glue logic or glue componants such as current limiting resisters, pull ups, pull downs, bypass and decoupling capacitance.
No. What you don't understand or realize is that Bill Joy actually left 2 years ago, when he "retired" into distinguished senior engineer, from CTO. This latest move by Bill Joy, full retirement is merely a continuation of that. At least thats how I see it.
Million dollar big iron hardware isn't just thrown together with a bunch of off the shelf parts. It takes many skilled marketing analysts to research whats missing in the industry, then many more skilled systems engineers to try and build something that incorporates those features.
Then many skilled integration engineers to put it together in a working and commercially viable manner -- along with many skilled Software engineers to tie all the pieces together and make it work and compatible with the current roadmap.
Then, knowledgeable sales force to sell it along with superb support, because with big iron, without support, you won't be selling many.
Now, take the product design cycle of 3 years and calculate that into how many man years in engineering it takes to get that out the door -- factoring in agency compliance, benchmarking, serviceability and advertising.
Get the picture? 100's of millions of dollars in NRE and R&D and 100's of millions of dollars in salaries make for a huge overhead, and for what? For the love of the game?
They will have to act. Sending out blanket invoices to companies in hopes that some percentage of them paying, sounds like an illegal get rich scheme to me.
Otherwise, why don't we all just create invoices and just swamp the corporate world with $54 invoices for 1 box of Xerox paper?
And may eventually happen some day in some country is M$ patents, IP, and copywrite or some combination therein will be declared null and void.
Who annointed him "net savvy"? I mean like unless Kibo declared him "net savvy", he's just another spammer.