Some of them are stuffed with worse than that. Ive got an Acer machine that came preinstalled with invasive spyware. I decided not to rip it out cause then i loose the prove i was sold a violation of my privacy without full disclosure.
Who expects to find GATOR of all programs burried on their brand new box??????
Ive done side by side comparrisons of Quicktime against QuickTime Alternative. Hearing that apple dont use any optimisations on windows quicktime makes perfect sence, not only does it lag, grind, choke, and hog a huge chunk of my computer. the alternative also LOOKS better than genuine Quicktime, likely because of these optimisations.
It looks like the main issue at present is that to utilise openGL 2 Vista will turn off the Areoglass automaticaly, "degrading" the user experience. Which is at worst a major turn off for prtential buyers and developers, at best, likely to be rather ugly.
This is rather similar to the Java VM mess they stepped in, and i hope it gets resolved without that amount of hassle, Java was strong enough to deal with it, Im not to sure how well OpenGL (at least in the minds of developers and customers) on the windows platform will survive such a mess.
Now there are 2 very good reasons why thats totaly false.
number 1. Google Moon isnt done till they map ALL of it. that effort is while a step forward, a poor one and the cheese joke was sub par by google standards.
Numnber 2 i said planets, Planets first, moons second, and before we get bogged into the whats a planet discussion as well. I mean i want the Flyby maps of Mercury, the Radar Telemetry of the surface of Venus, i want the Uberfacny maps nasa keep making of mars now they have like a dozen probes there. those 3 planets first. then we can talk about maps of europa and ganymedee.
The other thing id like is if your gonna be earth centric give me some infrastructure and non visual information maps, how about a high res map of the new york power grid, or the firefighting hydrant water supply, theres billions of pages of this stuff, thousands to millions for every major city, and id like it all on google.
in the very least can i get Seasonal Surface Temperature Overlays, Magnetomer data and a local gravymetric mapping??? Im bored and i like to find out new things... Feed my thirst for information google!!
Obviously if EVERYONE else bashed MS with patent violations things would change... only problem is microsoft have a patent on patent bashing so theyd all be infinging on MS.
I can understand the process but it seems somehow unusual that ANY credible BSD news would get rejected given how infrequently it crops up, so im left with the possibilities that they A: didnt care or B: already had one and chose not to put it up for 24 hours.
But finding out that an official one from you guys has never gotten through to submission is rather surprising.
ahh well who cares when ive got a lovely new BSD site to look at now:)
Is that gifting them your copy or the original copy, since if i lose my copy and they find it and i never know thats hardly illegal;) and then theres the blatantly obvious problem of is buying a CD as a gift for someone illegal if any kind of transfer counts as distribution?
Judge Julie: This is Case No. 47g, Everyone vs. Everyone. [gavels, and all fall quiet] Representing the side of Everyone is Gerald Broflovski.
Gerald: Thank you, your honor. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Everyone has committed a crime here, and Everyone must pay for that crime. My client, Everyone, has been hurt by this crime and must be compensated.
I posted this yesterday ( " The New FreeBSD Website is UP Thursday October 06, @06:15AM Rejected" ) as news only to be rejected. I dont know why it was rejected so i cant complain i was treated unfairly. But when someone posts news and is rejected then the news appears a day later posted by someone else. It makes me wonder what the fsck is going on round here.
On the topic. The new design is a major improvement, much nicer to look at, and hopefuly it can get carried through to a HTML version of the Handbook some time soon. that could do with a style overhaul, just to make reading the thing online nicer:)
The issue exists insofar that Microsoft have decide to make OpenGL a "second class" citizen in the Windows Graphic Framework, the DX based APIs that will be the basis for Vistas AeroGlass GUI. They have implemented a partial set (that i doubt will be any good at all, like their "posix compliance" in NT i expect) so that programs with OpenGL already wont be damaged, unfortunatly this means that theyre trying to EoL OpenGL on the windows platform in favour of their WGF ( DX10 essentialy ). The performance hit of translating OpenGL through it could be pretty steep, asuming it works at all. And MS have already made their statement on the issues which makes a Whisper campaign unlikely to succeed. This is MS, the US goverment couldnt make them take IE from Windows, the consumer backlash couldnt be big enough to make them care, they will be selling Vista not to consumers i expect anyway. The real problem is that it ships on every mass market beige box and MS will just move Vista into the market that way. New users wont even know there was a difference.
But there is hope. OpenGL is an Industry Standard 3d API that works cross platform. Microsoft may be happy ditching it and trying to encourage their WGF as the platfrom to use. But with Only PC and Xbox360 using it, i expect the heavyweights that matter when it comes to 3d graphics are already planning their own soloutions. CAD, 3d Graphics, Game Designers, etc all use OpenGL tools heavily. and the companies that make them have a lot of cash behind keeping them working. ATI even make the OpenGL focused FireGL range of graphics cards for proffessional workstations. So while Microsoft may cripple OpenGL, i expect a Rapid replacment of their implementation by someone like SGI, or one of the big 3d Gaphics companies.
The real issue is not that Windows will lose openGL, its that OpenGL, which is already the market underdog ( have to face it, DX software VS OpenGL software, theres more DX software sold by a few times over at least ) it will take further pounding and marginalisation by this.
Theres only one company that has produced a Big Name Game with OpenGL and thats iD, and well it doesnt mater since they have it made for DX as well i belive (someone correct me if thats wrong) I expect though iD will hold on, theyre big supporters of OpenGL. As are ATI, between them its likely that some kind of OpenGL 2.0 hack will emerge for Vista to use the kind of advanced hardware control available with OpenGL 2.0 so iD can make things like Q4 and whatever else they have cooking away, just blow every other game away. But The rest will use DX. And thats the problem.
As long as games and windows software uese DX thats one more barrier to platform portability, one more cost the company must weigh before contemplating a linux version. A rather big one once Vista makes this transition the cost goes from being "switch"... to being "maintain Both" companies that make the significant sales on linux will use probably do this if they cant get openGL on windows. But others just wont care. They cant aford to stretch the bottom line that far.
And so linux is the looser here. No matter how we could try and spin it. Once Dell starts shipping Vista boxes with 19 inch LCD screens in the millions to buisnesses the fights over, and software companies will have to make that choise i explained. And from there we can only guess how it will pan out.
All i can hope is that Hack gets out fast, so OpenGL can be at least maintain its position without loosing any ground against Microsofts attempt to shut it out of the market.
OpenGL wont die. Thats not the worry. Companies like SGI wont let that happen without one hell of a fight. But what may die is OpenGL gaming, and the hope that more game studios may make OpenGL games for Windows AND Linux.
I posted that before passing out at 3am after a long day at work, clearly its not my best work, and hm, i think saying i should properly quote the line in my sig is more polite than saying im deliberatly stealing it and its stupid.
Ahhh i see whats going on here. a fundamental difference of opinion as to what constitutes the internet.
"The Internet (note the capital 'I') is simply any network that agrees to use TCP/IP."
Therfore the 3 machine private LAN using TCP/IP over cat5e ethenet with no modem or wifi to connect it to the outisde world is by definition "The Internet" ??
hrm yes hopefuly its not that... but you reminded me of a shoddy little bright red party hat i have lying round somewhere, one of those plastic odd novelty ones covered in gliter, dont know how i wound up with it. but whenever i walk past its steped on and broken self. its hard to not think "Red Hat" then chuckle slightly.
yes the internet is indeed just a network, but even if you invented the protocol, doesnt mean you invented the network.
and i know portions of the later half of my discussion were midly skewed, but they were skewed in the context of trying to explain my point. I make no claim to always and totaly beyond question never blur facts in favor of my view.
And it can be quite hard to tell where half these standards are derived from. things like the SGML seem uterly arcane when compared to the well defined HTML and defined framework of XML. partly because it has become so far abstracted from any content that it becomes general to the point of complexity. I can code enough html do make a decent slashdot post in a few minutes, but having before at some point tried to read the SGML specs found myself lost without any clue.
Now one more time. Just cause you invent the protocol, doesnt mean you invent what uses it. thats like saying inventing the internal combustion engine is the same as inventing the car, it is closely related but not the same thing, or totaly dependant on eachother.
Oh i dont see MS as inocent at all. On the contrary i despise them and their practices. I loathe their proprietary undocumented formats, loathe their DRM laced media format, and i utterly despise their shoddy incomplete crippling of OpenGL implemented through DirectX on Vista that will further eliminate the already low desire for programers to use OpenGL for their games on windows that make linux ports much more likely if their successful, if not utterly eliminate it completely.
But your hypothetical one soloution fits all doesnt exist, if it did then it would be the easiest possible soloution in enough aspects to make it the one to do, but it doesnt exist, yet.
To start with. The GUI APIs for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux are all completely different, time and effort is required to maintain code, then beyond that, there are the underlying APIs, the entire MS version probably doesnt make a single POSIX call, the Mac OS X version can probably be ported to BSD fairly easily, but i bet MS used adapter code to float the Office Boat on OSX since the BSD licence lets em just do it and not let anyone know. but the Linux version would need work to switch the enviroment over again, to another set of code that it would have to be maintained ( much better i might add, requiring more effort ) by even more time after its ported. There are commercial reasons behind their choise, Not just monopolistic ones.
But if i remember correctly, i do belive there is progress. MS are killing USFW (unix services for windows, the full posix implementation and toolkits such as an X server and other things) in Vista. To make these Core components. anyone familar with the USFW components is likely very curious what impact this will have on portability or even how it may relate to the dramatic redesign of the codebase for Vista.
catchy name that, GOffice, i like it already. When does it ship... oh wait. Unfortunatly the article UTTERLY misinterpreted the source they were quoting,:( no GOffice just yet. Hopefuly a few google engineers will use that 20% personal project time to start things moving:)
the US Department of Commerce still has power over ICANN therfore the US goverment has power over ICANN which has power over the internet.
it seems blatantly rediculous but yes thats the power theyre fighiting over.
and id say it would be rather ironic contemplating going to nuclear war over something designed to keep their systems running in the event of such a war.
Id say my description is still valid, a Free Market doesnt mean you can use petrol in a car built to run LNG or Diesel, theres nothing stoping you buying it for them, but it wont, and doesnt mean that the petrol company should make petrol that works in Diesel engines, thats what diesel is for, and its entirely their choise if they want to make Diesel or not.
each of the fuels only works in the car it was designed for, same can be said for progams written with particular APIs and implemenations designed for one platform or another.
true i suppose, its fairly clear that this kind of testing is not to be undertaken on something with significant risk of compromise, but if the test is non critical it remains valid no matter how large a company. the best example is MS, they get their code attacked for holes they need to patch constantly. they recently ran a competition of sorts to hack IIS6 under increasingly more opportune circumstances while they contstanly worked to fix and keep it up and unhacked. not sure how that went... should probably check.
mmm a little investigation with the mapping tool DIMES confirmed this, im quite sure that my ISP is a Teir3 and those that use its wholesale network must be either bottomfeeders or Teir 4, as it seems all my traffic is routed through one network heigher up that connects to many major networks other than the Teir one nets.
as a side note its interesting to see 24 traceroutes run and maped so you realise that at 3 occasions your traffic is being load balanced before you even get half way to the destination, and all your traffic passed through 2 boxes in singapore when the main main international Cables are to India and direct to the USA (via hawaii)
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Some of them are stuffed with worse than that. Ive got an Acer machine that came preinstalled with invasive spyware. I decided not to rip it out cause then i loose the prove i was sold a violation of my privacy without full disclosure.
Who expects to find GATOR of all programs burried on their brand new box??????
Ive done side by side comparrisons of Quicktime against QuickTime Alternative. Hearing that apple dont use any optimisations on windows quicktime makes perfect sence, not only does it lag, grind, choke, and hog a huge chunk of my computer. the alternative also LOOKS better than genuine Quicktime, likely because of these optimisations.
I could have sworn there was something called Buisness Ethics that actualy covered this.
Some Practices are less ethical than others.
Its good to see a convert over to the OpenGL side :)
t ory/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=000001
2 .0/glspec20.pdf
for a little more active disscussion you can read about it this is from the www.opengl.org forums.
http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/cgi_direc
It looks like the main issue at present is that to utilise openGL 2 Vista will turn off the Areoglass automaticaly, "degrading" the user experience. Which is at worst a major turn off for prtential buyers and developers, at best, likely to be rather ugly.
From having a little touchup read of the openGL 2.0 Spec introduction to reaquaint myself
http://www.opengl.org/documentation/specs/version
This is rather similar to the Java VM mess they stepped in, and i hope it gets resolved without that amount of hassle, Java was strong enough to deal with it, Im not to sure how well OpenGL (at least in the minds of developers and customers) on the windows platform will survive such a mess.
" Already done."
Now there are 2 very good reasons why thats totaly false.
number 1. Google Moon isnt done till they map ALL of it. that effort is while a step forward, a poor one and the cheese joke was sub par by google standards.
Numnber 2 i said planets, Planets first, moons second, and before we get bogged into the whats a planet discussion as well. I mean i want the Flyby maps of Mercury, the Radar Telemetry of the surface of Venus, i want the Uberfacny maps nasa keep making of mars now they have like a dozen probes there. those 3 planets first. then we can talk about maps of europa and ganymedee.
The other thing id like is if your gonna be earth centric give me some infrastructure and non visual information maps, how about a high res map of the new york power grid, or the firefighting hydrant water supply, theres billions of pages of this stuff, thousands to millions for every major city, and id like it all on google.
in the very least can i get Seasonal Surface Temperature Overlays, Magnetomer data and a local gravymetric mapping??? Im bored and i like to find out new things... Feed my thirst for information google!!
OMGWTF NO DUH
Obviously if EVERYONE else bashed MS with patent violations things would change... only problem is microsoft have a patent on patent bashing so theyd all be infinging on MS.
First Post???
whoooo!?
Note To Self: watch elbow doesnt accidentaly hit enter key before real point has been made while contemplating what to say.
well at least we dont have zonk over here.
While ( ( pingSlashdotOnlineBoolean() ) = True )
{
dupe();
spam();
fud();
fake();
realNews();
}
then again its like hes the only one allowed to subit or post anything round there.
Bring On Google Maps with Taged location info, FOR OTHER PLANETS :)
I can understand the process but it seems somehow unusual that ANY credible BSD news would get rejected given how infrequently it crops up, so im left with the possibilities that they A: didnt care or B: already had one and chose not to put it up for 24 hours.
:)
But finding out that an official one from you guys has never gotten through to submission is rather surprising.
ahh well who cares when ive got a lovely new BSD site to look at now
Is that gifting them your copy or the original copy, since if i lose my copy and they find it and i never know thats hardly illegal ;)
and then theres the blatantly obvious problem of is buying a CD as a gift for someone illegal if any kind of transfer counts as distribution?
Judge Julie:
This is Case No. 47g, Everyone vs. Everyone. [gavels, and all fall quiet] Representing the side of Everyone is Gerald Broflovski.
Gerald:
Thank you, your honor. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Everyone has committed a crime here, and Everyone must pay for that crime. My client, Everyone, has been hurt by this crime and must be compensated.
I posted this yesterday
:)
( " The New FreeBSD Website is UP Thursday October 06, @06:15AM Rejected" )
as news only to be rejected. I dont know why it was rejected so i cant complain i was treated unfairly. But when someone posts news and is rejected then the news appears a day later posted by someone else. It makes me wonder what the fsck is going on round here.
On the topic. The new design is a major improvement, much nicer to look at, and hopefuly it can get carried through to a HTML version of the Handbook some time soon. that could do with a style overhaul, just to make reading the thing online nicer
The issue exists insofar that Microsoft have decide to make OpenGL a "second class" citizen in the Windows Graphic Framework, the DX based APIs that will be the basis for Vistas AeroGlass GUI. They have implemented a partial set (that i doubt will be any good at all, like their "posix compliance" in NT i expect) so that programs with OpenGL already wont be damaged, unfortunatly this means that theyre trying to EoL OpenGL on the windows platform in favour of their WGF ( DX10 essentialy ). The performance hit of translating OpenGL through it could be pretty steep, asuming it works at all. And MS have already made their statement on the issues which makes a Whisper campaign unlikely to succeed. This is MS, the US goverment couldnt make them take IE from Windows, the consumer backlash couldnt be big enough to make them care, they will be selling Vista not to consumers i expect anyway. The real problem is that it ships on every mass market beige box and MS will just move Vista into the market that way. New users wont even know there was a difference.
... to being "maintain Both" companies that make the significant sales on linux will use probably do this if they cant get openGL on windows. But others just wont care. They cant aford to stretch the bottom line that far.
But there is hope. OpenGL is an Industry Standard 3d API that works cross platform. Microsoft may be happy ditching it and trying to encourage their WGF as the platfrom to use. But with Only PC and Xbox360 using it, i expect the heavyweights that matter when it comes to 3d graphics are already planning their own soloutions. CAD, 3d Graphics, Game Designers, etc all use OpenGL tools heavily. and the companies that make them have a lot of cash behind keeping them working. ATI even make the OpenGL focused FireGL range of graphics cards for proffessional workstations. So while Microsoft may cripple OpenGL, i expect a Rapid replacment of their implementation by someone like SGI, or one of the big 3d Gaphics companies.
The real issue is not that Windows will lose openGL, its that OpenGL, which is already the market underdog ( have to face it, DX software VS OpenGL software, theres more DX software sold by a few times over at least ) it will take further pounding and marginalisation by this.
Theres only one company that has produced a Big Name Game with OpenGL and thats iD, and well it doesnt mater since they have it made for DX as well i belive (someone correct me if thats wrong) I expect though iD will hold on, theyre big supporters of OpenGL. As are ATI, between them its likely that some kind of OpenGL 2.0 hack will emerge for Vista to use the kind of advanced hardware control available with OpenGL 2.0 so iD can make things like Q4 and whatever else they have cooking away, just blow every other game away. But The rest will use DX. And thats the problem.
As long as games and windows software uese DX thats one more barrier to platform portability, one more cost the company must weigh before contemplating a linux version. A rather big one once Vista makes this transition the cost goes from being "switch"
And so linux is the looser here. No matter how we could try and spin it. Once Dell starts shipping Vista boxes with 19 inch LCD screens in the millions to buisnesses the fights over, and software companies will have to make that choise i explained. And from there we can only guess how it will pan out.
All i can hope is that Hack gets out fast, so OpenGL can be at least maintain its position without loosing any ground against Microsofts attempt to shut it out of the market.
OpenGL wont die. Thats not the worry. Companies like SGI wont let that happen without one hell of a fight. But what may die is OpenGL gaming, and the hope that more game studios may make OpenGL games for Windows AND Linux.
Which does indeed. Suck.
I posted that before passing out at 3am after a long day at work, clearly its not my best work, and hm, i think saying i should properly quote the line in my sig is more polite than saying im deliberatly stealing it and its stupid.
Ahhh i see whats going on here. a fundamental difference of opinion as to what constitutes the internet.
"The Internet (note the capital 'I') is simply any network that agrees to use TCP/IP."
Therfore the 3 machine private LAN using TCP/IP over cat5e ethenet with no modem or wifi to connect it to the outisde world is by definition "The Internet" ??
Somehow that doesnt make sence to me.
hrm yes hopefuly its not that... but you reminded me of a shoddy little bright red party hat i have lying round somewhere, one of those plastic odd novelty ones covered in gliter, dont know how i wound up with it. but whenever i walk past its steped on and broken self. its hard to not think "Red Hat" then chuckle slightly.
yes the internet is indeed just a network, but even if you invented the protocol, doesnt mean you invented the network.
and i know portions of the later half of my discussion were midly skewed, but they were skewed in the context of trying to explain my point. I make no claim to always and totaly beyond question never blur facts in favor of my view.
And it can be quite hard to tell where half these standards are derived from. things like the SGML seem uterly arcane when compared to the well defined HTML and defined framework of XML. partly because it has become so far abstracted from any content that it becomes general to the point of complexity. I can code enough html do make a decent slashdot post in a few minutes, but having before at some point tried to read the SGML specs found myself lost without any clue.
Now one more time. Just cause you invent the protocol, doesnt mean you invent what uses it. thats like saying inventing the internal combustion engine is the same as inventing the car, it is closely related but not the same thing, or totaly dependant on eachother.
Oh i dont see MS as inocent at all. On the contrary i despise them and their practices. I loathe their proprietary undocumented formats, loathe their DRM laced media format, and i utterly despise their shoddy incomplete crippling of OpenGL implemented through DirectX on Vista that will further eliminate the already low desire for programers to use OpenGL for their games on windows that make linux ports much more likely if their successful, if not utterly eliminate it completely.
But your hypothetical one soloution fits all doesnt exist, if it did then it would be the easiest possible soloution in enough aspects to make it the one to do, but it doesnt exist, yet.
To start with. The GUI APIs for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux are all completely different, time and effort is required to maintain code, then beyond that, there are the underlying APIs, the entire MS version probably doesnt make a single POSIX call, the Mac OS X version can probably be ported to BSD fairly easily, but i bet MS used adapter code to float the Office Boat on OSX since the BSD licence lets em just do it and not let anyone know. but the Linux version would need work to switch the enviroment over again, to another set of code that it would have to be maintained ( much better i might add, requiring more effort ) by even more time after its ported. There are commercial reasons behind their choise, Not just monopolistic ones.
But if i remember correctly, i do belive there is progress. MS are killing USFW (unix services for windows, the full posix implementation and toolkits such as an X server and other things) in Vista. To make these Core components. anyone familar with the USFW components is likely very curious what impact this will have on portability or even how it may relate to the dramatic redesign of the codebase for Vista.
catchy name that, GOffice, i like it already. When does it ship... oh wait. Unfortunatly the article UTTERLY misinterpreted the source they were quoting, :( no GOffice just yet. Hopefuly a few google engineers will use that 20% personal project time to start things moving :)
So CheckPoint is Snorting now is it... Do the cops now, have the DEA been called in to raid their offices.
the US Department of Commerce still has power over ICANN therfore the US goverment has power over ICANN which has power over the internet.
it seems blatantly rediculous but yes thats the power theyre fighiting over.
and id say it would be rather ironic contemplating going to nuclear war over something designed to keep their systems running in the event of such a war.
Id say my description is still valid, a Free Market doesnt mean you can use petrol in a car built to run LNG or Diesel, theres nothing stoping you buying it for them, but it wont, and doesnt mean that the petrol company should make petrol that works in Diesel engines, thats what diesel is for, and its entirely their choise if they want to make Diesel or not.
each of the fuels only works in the car it was designed for, same can be said for progams written with particular APIs and implemenations designed for one platform or another.
true i suppose, its fairly clear that this kind of testing is not to be undertaken on something with significant risk of compromise, but if the test is non critical it remains valid no matter how large a company. the best example is MS, they get their code attacked for holes they need to patch constantly. they recently ran a competition of sorts to hack IIS6 under increasingly more opportune circumstances while they contstanly worked to fix and keep it up and unhacked. not sure how that went... should probably check.
mmm a little investigation with the mapping tool DIMES confirmed this, im quite sure that my ISP is a Teir3 and those that use its wholesale network must be either bottomfeeders or Teir 4, as it seems all my traffic is routed through one network heigher up that connects to many major networks other than the Teir one nets.
as a side note its interesting to see 24 traceroutes run and maped so you realise that at 3 occasions your traffic is being load balanced before you even get half way to the destination, and all your traffic passed through 2 boxes in singapore when the main main international Cables are to India and direct to the USA (via hawaii)