Alan Cox Given Lifetime Achievement Award

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Alan Cox Given Lifetime Achievement Award

Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday October 6, 2005 @06:15AM from the great-bearded-one dept.

sebFlyte writes "This year's LinuxWorld awards in London were given out last night, including a lifetime achievement award to sometime maintainer of the Linux kernel and general open-source evangelist Alan Cox. Awards voted for by the user community also went to Ubuntu, for best distro and IBM for best corporate contribution to open source. He also chose to poke fun at the gathered hordes of open source coders saying "I do like all the dot-orgs... They have everything you need in life except soap.""

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What are you going to do now? by Profane+MuthaFucka · 2005-10-06 06:16 · Score: 4, Funny

Alan Cox: "I'm going to Disneyland!"

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1. Re:What are you going to do now? by TrekCycling · 2005-10-06 06:21 · Score: 1
  
  That's good. Especially because I'm picturing Alan Cox on "It's a Small World" or being hugged by Goofy. Good call.
2. Re:What are you going to do now? by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 07:15 · Score: 0
  
  More likely "I'm going to Oakwood"
  
  Welsh theme park - doesn't have the same ring though
3. Re:What are you going to do now? by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 08:02 · Score: 0
  
  No, Euro-Disney. He would have to travel to the US to go to Disney land
Good for Him by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 06:17 · Score: 0

He certainly deserves it.
1. Re:Good for Him by VagaStorm · 2005-10-06 07:42 · Score: 1
  
  What I wonder is: How can someone get a life time award for work on an os that is 15 years old?
  
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2. Re:Good for Him by Mercano · 2005-10-06 08:04 · Score: 1
  
  15 human years, yes, but thats over 70 dog years (no offence intended), and its probably four or six computer generations!
  
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3. Re:Good for Him by deathy_epl+ccs · 2005-10-06 08:06 · Score: 1
  
  Dude, in Internet time that's like 2 or 3 thousand years! The dude must be a vampire or somethin' to pull it off.
Congratulations! by parasonic · 2005-10-06 06:19 · Score: 2, Insightful

Woot! Congratulations! But the real recognition has yet to come.
1. Re:Congratulations! by Mr.+Underbridge · 2005-10-06 08:03 · Score: 1
  
  Like what, knighthood?
What does he do now? by Anakron · 2005-10-06 06:21 · Score: 2, Interesting

...was often considered number two...
But not any more? And who's no.2 now? Andrew Morton?

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1. Re:What does he do now? by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 06:27 · Score: 1, Insightful
  
  insert prisoner / austin powers crap here and get +5
2. Re:What does he do now? by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 07:35 · Score: 0
  
  I wondered what happened to him after he wrote about Princess Di.
3. Re:What does he do now? by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-07 06:56 · Score: 0
  
  "But not any more? And who's no.2 now? Andrew Morton?"
  
  You are number six
Too soon perhaps ? by moro_666 · 2005-10-06 06:22 · Score: 4, Insightful

usually lifetime achievement awards are given to people that have "faded" and are old and useless

is this some offensive hint to alan ?

anyway, as from my personal experience, he might seem really mean sometimes, but eventually it always turns out that he has good motives to do and say what he does do or say. and did i forget to mention that this dude knows how to code ?

i hope they aren't "carrying him out of the door with an applause", cause i think we still need him, even if he is under the hat of a big red evil company.

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1. Re:Too soon perhaps ? by Lucractius · 2005-10-06 06:34 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  hrm yes hopefuly its not that... but you reminded me of a shoddy little bright red party hat i have lying round somewhere, one of those plastic odd novelty ones covered in gliter, dont know how i wound up with it. but whenever i walk past its steped on and broken self. its hard to not think "Red Hat" then chuckle slightly.
  
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2. Re:Too soon perhaps ? by dirtydog · 2005-10-06 06:45 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  usually lifetime achievement awards are given to people that have "faded" and are old and useless
  If that were the case, surely ESR would have gotten his first.
3. Re:Too soon perhaps ? by man_of_mr_e · 2005-10-06 07:08 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  Indeed, though I wouldn't quite put it that way.
  
  Lifetime achievement awards are given to people towards the END of their lifetime, not in the middle of it. The reason is that people still have a lot to contribute in their lifetime, and giving such an award to someone in the middle basically snubs what they may do afterwards.
  
  And, for the record, giving someone TWO lifetime achievement awards for the same thing is pretty stupid, so any work done after such an award will likely go unrecognized, at least by that organization.
  
  Perhaps a better name for the award would have been "Contribution Award" or something along those lines, that recognizes contributions done to date, without the bad connotations of "lifetime achievement".
  
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4. Re:Too soon perhaps ? by rodgerd · 2005-10-06 08:18 · Score: 1
  
  This would imply he'd been especially useful in the first place.
5. Re:Too soon perhaps ? by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 09:28 · Score: 0
  
  Maybe you are just being sarcastic, but what exactly is evil about RedHat ?
6. Re:Too soon perhaps ? by indigoid · 2005-10-06 10:32 · Score: 1
  
  he actually has been quite useful. his contributions to The Great Game, for example, are IMHO quite spiffy and appropriate for the game. the tourist character class, for example
  
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7. Re:Too soon perhaps ? by jizmonkey · 2005-10-06 11:08 · Score: 1
  
  This would imply he'd been especially useful in the first place.
  Hey now. ESR maintained ncurses for a while. You know not everyone can contribute as usefully at the guy who posts screenshots of new Family Guy episodes on Wikipedia.
  
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Who needs SOAP? We've got CORBA!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 06:23 · Score: 0

:-)
1. Re:Who needs SOAP? We've got CORBA!!! by temojen · 2005-10-06 06:28 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  In fact one of the .orgs does have soap.
2. Re:Who needs SOAP? We've got CORBA!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 07:10 · Score: 0
  
  Sadly, this is the SOAP I was thinking of too...
what about this? by mayhemt · 2005-10-06 06:24 · Score: 0

"I do like all the dot-orgs... They have everything you need in life except soap"
what about slashdot-dot-org?
1. Re:what about this? by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 06:41 · Score: 0
  
  nope, no soap here.
2. Re:what about this? by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 06:49 · Score: 0
  
  Definitely no soap. Ever been downwind of a typical /.er?
  (no deodorant, either... :-)
Lifestyles of the rich and famous by totallygeek · 2005-10-06 06:24 · Score: 4, Interesting

I know their involvement is not based on what they can expect monetarily, but how much fortune have the major open-source players made from their fame? For example, is Linus a wealthy person, upper middle-class, or destitute (I know this is incorrect). People like Stallman: I have only read that he supports himself from giving lectures and making appearances. It is easy to see where folks that have attached to IPOs have made money and re-invested it to be wealthy, but what about everyone else? Does anyone here have some of that information?

Note that I am just overly curious...

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1. Re:Lifestyles of the rich and famous by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 06:30 · Score: 0
  
  Great. Now thanks to your subject line I'll have that Good Charlotte tune stuck in my head all day. ;)
2. Re:Lifestyles of the rich and famous by totallygeek · 2005-10-06 06:36 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  Great. Now thanks to your subject line I'll have that Good Charlotte tune stuck in my head all day. ;)
  
  At first I was thinking Mr Leech. But, as soon as I typed it in, all I could think of was the song too. At least the Macarena has dropped out of my head...
  
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3. Re:Lifestyles of the rich and famous by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 06:36 · Score: 0
  
  I think Linus got some stock options somewhere along the line ... he's comfortable ... wish I could remember my Rebel Code and Just For Fun !! :)
4. Re:Lifestyles of the rich and famous by Chris+Burke · 2005-10-06 06:47 · Score: 1
  
  I think he's made himself a nice chunk of change, mostly from working at Transmeta*. In his biography "Just for Fun", the author notes that Linus picks him up in a new sports car and they're living in a nice house in northern Cali.
  
  Transmeta was crazily lucrative to work for in the time before the bubble burst. Second hand story, disclaimers apply, but a friend of a friend apparently made about a million bucks off stock options he received as a summer intern. Not unreasonable given the curve their stock was on for a while -- right place right time deal to be sure.
  
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5. Re:Lifestyles of the rich and famous by slashflood · 2005-10-06 07:02 · Score: 1
  
  You can consider Linus as a wealthy, upper middle-class person. "My bedroom has a different zip code than my living room". He made some money from the VA Linux boom (also Red-hat?). He also earned some money at Transmeta.
6. Re:Lifestyles of the rich and famous by Otter · 2005-10-06 07:16 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  There was a period during the Linux IPO boom where every dope with a Freshmeat project or in the bug report databases was scoring insider shares. (Except for poor Bowie J. Poag!) The big guys all made considerable fortunes, at least on paper. See "Woohoo, I'm So Freaking Rich!!!" by Raymond, E.S.
  On the other hand, I've seen Stallman in the supermarket a few times and while he can at least pay for food, he certainly doesn't appear to be living too large. I figured he'd go up to the cashier and demand the source code to the cash register firmware, but no...
  
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7. Re:Lifestyles of the rich and famous by tomjen · 2005-10-06 08:24 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Stallman has glaimed in some talks/interviews that he lives like a student, and does so to prevent money from controlling his life
  
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8. Re:Lifestyles of the rich and famous by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 08:29 · Score: 0
  
  Not living large doesn't mean squat. I know a wealthy fund manager that makes 25+ million a year, who drives a 16 year old rusted out toyota. He is a CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst) that writes his own financial programs in C and changes his own oil. Extraordinary fellow and genius in every sense of the word.
  
  When asked why he drives a rusted out 16 year old toyota, he replied "It still runs, and it's paid off, why not?".
  
  Not living large only means that the person isn't squandering their wealth on meaningless crap.
  
  It's a lesson that those of modest income, that do waste their money, should learn.
9. Re:Lifestyles of the rich and famous by A+Numinous+Cohort · 2005-10-06 12:39 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  On the other hand, he is a recipient of the MacArthur Award (aka The Genius Grant) and the Takeda Award which means he has a nice chunk of change socked away somewhere.
Soap and... by GillBates0 · 2005-10-06 06:30 · Score: 4, Funny

"I do like all the dot-orgs... They have everything you need in life except soap.
...women. Let's not forget women.

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1. Re:Soap and... by airrage · 2005-10-06 06:36 · Score: 1
  
  ....honestly I don't get the .org reference/joke. Can someone elaborate or do you just have to have been there?
  
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2. Re:Soap and... by Manfre · 2005-10-06 06:38 · Score: 1
  
  "I do like all the dot-orgs... They have everything you need in life except soap.
  ...women. Let's not forget women.
  
  ...else you get the hose again!
3. Re:Soap and... by bersl2 · 2005-10-06 06:48 · Score: 1
  
  I second this.
4. Re:Soap and... by sahrss · 2005-10-06 06:59 · Score: 1
  
  I third this.
5. Re:Soap and... by farnz · 2005-10-06 07:18 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Generally, the .org booths at a show like LinuxWorld are for charitable organisations (like the FSF or Debian) instead of companies (like Novell or Red Hat). I suspect it's the "unwashed GNU/hippies" joke, just slightly subtler than usual.
  
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6. Re:Soap and... by salparadyse · 2005-10-06 09:22 · Score: 1
  
  I've just come back from the afore mentioned Expo, I've been there for the whole thing (though not the awards dinner). There were women there. And I don't mean the "sprayed on trousers / slightly too tight t-shirt promo types" though they were there too. There were actually quite a few women, of all ages, still out numbered, but much more than last year.
The "he" joking in the summary by GauteL · 2005-10-06 06:34 · Score: 4, Informative

.. is comedian Steve Nallon. The summary makes it look like it is either IBM or Alan Cox cracking the joke about the soap.
1. Re:The "he" joking in the summary by MadMidnightBomber · 2005-10-06 08:57 · Score: 1
  
  .. is comedian Steve Nallon. The summary makes it look like it is either IBM or Alan Cox cracking the joke about the soap.
  
  Yep; IBM actually told a joke about a hooker and a Bishop.
  
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The award comes too late by microbee · 2005-10-06 06:38 · Score: 1

Alan was No.2 a couple of years ago, but now he is not much active (after his MBA). Actually I've not seen many posts from him on LKML.
1. Re:The award comes too late by Billly+Gates · 2005-10-06 07:34 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  What ever happened to him?
  
  I credit Alan for making the kernel stable during the 2.0 days and earlier. After he left Linux has gone downhill in stability. What is he up too?
  
  I assume he was still in school.
  
  Alan, Linux needs you. Come back
  
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2. Re:The award comes too late by TheRaven64 · 2005-10-06 08:55 · Score: 1
  
  He was at Linux 2005, and still seemed to be employed by Red Hat. He floats around Swansea and is still, I believe, a fairly active member of the LUG. He briefly took an active rôle in the computer society again (he is a life member) much to the detriment of system stability - he may be a competent programmer, but he is not a good sysadmin. Breaking things on Friday and then going home intending to fix them on Monday does not make you popular with people wishing to use the system over the weekend...
  
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3. Re:The award comes too late by Ian.Waring · 2005-10-06 09:19 · Score: 1
  
  I was on the same table as Alan Cox last night. He said his one of his MBA projects was talking to small businesses in South Wales about (Desktop) Linux adoption. Said it gave some useful insights... including the need for Sage on Linux (most popular UK SME accounting suite).
  Fascinating to listen to on a wide range of subjects :-)
4. Re:The award comes too late by tvm662 · 2005-10-06 23:44 · Score: 1
  
  The first award of the night went to PayThyme an open source payroll package produced by Clockwork Software (my employer). While I know that Sage is more than payroll, it shows that applications for business are available and are being used. Overall I found from both the awards, eg the Allied Irish Bank and talks at the expo, eg Bonhams the auctioneers, that Linux and open source are making great progress into the business world and I find this very encouraging so see.
  
  Tom.
OK, I'm having a little trouble here by $RANDOMLUSER · 2005-10-06 06:44 · Score: 5, Funny

How does an uber-geek get a "Lifetime Achievement Award", which implies having a life??

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1. Re:OK, I'm having a little trouble here by borawjm · 2005-10-06 06:57 · Score: 1
  
  Well, for many slashdotters, a "Lifetime Achievement" could be getting laid.
2. Re:OK, I'm having a little trouble here by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 07:25 · Score: 0
  
  Trying to get a "funny" rating are we? Nice try.
Re:Soap and...(ever? ever?) by gosand · 2005-10-06 06:51 · Score: 4, Funny

...women. Let's not forget women.
Can you forget something which you have never known?

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Soap? by M00NIE · 2005-10-06 07:06 · Score: 1

"I do like all the dot-orgs... They have everything you need in life except soap"
Hey, I bathe every month whether I need it or not! The nerve of some people!

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1. Re:Soap? by TheRaven64 · 2005-10-06 09:18 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  Nononono! It was a complement! The dot-orgs can't provide soap, because all the soap they had, they use themselves. That's what he meant. Or so I keep telling myself...
  
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Re:Heh, Alan Cox?! by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 07:06 · Score: 0

shut your stupid mouth. your comment is completely inappropriate for this forum, not to mention unfunny.
I have to do it... by acid_zebra · 2005-10-06 07:08 · Score: 2, Insightful

I, for one, welcome our big-bearded slightly eccentric geek overlords.
Congrats Alan!

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Forget them? by Dystopian+Rebel · 2005-10-06 07:12 · Score: 3, Funny

What do you mean? Geeks are downloading them all the time!

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It is kind of strange. by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 07:17 · Score: 0

Weirdly enough, Alan actually has a life. And a wife! Both are fairly unusual (being Welsh and rather intellectual) so he's not entirely out of character, but in person he's obviously got good personal hygiene (a bit disheveled and ungroomed, but that's very different from dirty and smelly).

Linus doesn't stink either, and he's kind of "preppy" in appearance; I think he got a life around kernel 2.0 but I don't speak from personal knowledge.

I've heard that things were different once - EXTREMELY different according to legend - but Eric Raymond doesn't stink either. Neither does Bruce Perens. I've been in very close proximity to all four of these guys on various occasions, and I'm pretty fastidious!
dot-org joke? by cerelib · 2005-10-06 07:17 · Score: 2, Funny

Would somebody please clarify the final joke about dot-org's.
1. Re:dot-org joke? by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 07:24 · Score: 1, Informative
  
  He means open source programmers are smelly, especially those that host their product on a .org.
Geek Lifetime Achievement is awarded when.... by dow · 2005-10-06 07:51 · Score: 0

Well its not by lines of code, even though that will be linked to it.
Its not the clever hacks, and not the number of releases.
Its not the bug fix time, or the usenet posts, or the slashdot fame.

Its the lenth of the beard. Grow a beard like that, you'll get an award. It itches at first, but once its long enough to comb, its okay. If you want to get anywhere in the free software world, you need it. No-one takes a hacker seriously unless they have a bush under their chin. Linus himself would grow one if his wife would let him. If you aint a beard you're a suit.
1. Re:Geek Lifetime Achievement is awarded when.... by deathy_epl+ccs · 2005-10-06 08:02 · Score: 1
  
  That explains why Linus always comes off as too uptight to have really started all this... no beard.
  
  Maybe that's why the whole Linux trademark fiasco is going on... Linus is finally demonstrating to the world that he really doesn't have a beard.
  
  (FWIW, I get regular comments on my beard making it look like I'm one of the ZZTop guys, so I guess that makes me a big geek. heheheh)
PLUS FIVE FUNNY!!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 08:02 · Score: 0

omg so HILARIOUS
Correction by Plug · 2005-10-06 08:06 · Score: 1

He also chose to poke fun at the gathered hordes of open source coders saying "I do like all the dot-orgs... They have everything you need in life except soap."

Alan Cox didn't say that. The comedian compere did.
Maybe... by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 08:11 · Score: 0

They were telling him to retire and actually get (achieve) one? :)
Fifteen Years... by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 08:14 · Score: 0

_IS_ a lifetime for most Slashdotters...
...You insensitive clod!
way to go! by veganboyjosh · 2005-10-06 08:57 · Score: 1

congratulations, mr cox. i loved repo man. sid and nancy was good as well.
Re:Alan Cox by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 09:33 · Score: 0

No, That would be Peter O'Toole...
Explanation of the soap reference. by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 09:36 · Score: 0

The old-school FSF and BSD guys were famously reeking and unwashed, according to the legends. Supposedly most of them cleaned up in the 80s and 90s, with a few notable exceptions. A friend of mine swears that he had to throw away a couch because Richard Stallman slept on it for a single night!

This is where you get all the "dirty GNU hippies" slams, and supposedly (I wasn't there) this is why Bob Metcalfe hates RMS - because he had to sit next to him at a banquet for several hours.

Y'know, given the time period when both the FSF and BSD were born, it's not unlikely. Remember Ira Einhorn, the Yippies, and the Diggers (the 1960s Diggers, not the 1649 ones) were all reputed to never bathe. Some of them just didn't care, some of them believed that excruciatingly thorough hygiene weakens the body's defenses against disease (this turns out to be true; the polio epidemic at the turn of the century was essentially caused by improved hygiene). I was just a kid then, but I remember some seriously stinky flower children!

I've never met any stinky FOSS gurus, but I haven't met them all, either. I can testify that Alan Cox doesn't reek; he's got some wild-looking hair, but he's clean. Linus, ESR, Bruce Perens, Tridge, Patrick Volkerding - none of those guys are noticeably dirty.

Still, it's stupid to suppose that just because a person is a brilliant coder or technologist they will also have perfect social adaptation. So there will always be room for ad hominem attacks on the greatest minds of every era - and some of them may be well founded. :)

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Ubuntu Ushmuntu-- Gives Debian A REALLLY Bad Name! by Halvy · 2005-10-06 09:58 · Score: 0

So I hope they go ahead and 'fork' like they are threatening to do.
The ONLY reasons they got the Award, inspite of the FACT that it doesn't even come close to installing correctly on a moderately new machine is:
- all of the hype surrounding the 'distro'
- it has a 'niggro' sounding name attached to it :[

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Ubuntu by Orrin+Bloquy · 2005-10-06 10:11 · Score: 0

Thumbs up for making Debian Sid into a viable product. Thumbs down for wedging the Debian platform. If they had done the same thing to Sarge instead, I think everyone would be cheering instead of bickering.

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_A_ by cgori · 2005-10-06 10:26 · Score: 1

Cheers _Anarchy_ -- you deserve it...
Judging Awards by periscope · 2005-10-06 10:34 · Score: 1

Hi folks,

I was one of the judges on the awards last night. I have to say that it was a pretty interesting set of awards we had to give out - and I'm glad that Alan got reconised for the work he has done over the last more than a decade. It was good also to see some of the reacton from those receiving - Mark Shuttleworth was especially cool thanking Debian for the hard work which fueled the Ubuntu project.

Those who were there might have noticed I had them play some Runrig when Alan received his award (since they're one of the bands he likes).

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Congratulations to Alan Cox by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 13:15 · Score: 5, Informative

Alan Cox deserves MULTIPLE lifetime achevement awards.

1. For being insturmental in getting linux to run on 68k Macintoshes.
( actually, this makes him closer to a saint, but I digress..)

2. For producing the first 64-bit port of linux.

3. For maintaining the 64-bit port of linux.

4. For being outspoken about the quality of the programming for the linux kernel. ( Ah ya, another sainthood type thing...)

5. For promoting and proveying software at levels of quality far above normal industry standards.

6. For contributing a large amount of time and energy to the development of the linux kernel.

So...basically, Alan Cox is a god. Id like to nominate him for a MacArthur Grant.

Killmofasta
1. Re:Congratulations to Alan Cox by Anthony · 2005-10-06 22:51 · Score: 1
  
  Only trouble is, one has to be at least a US citizen to get one. I agree that he qualifies on all the other criteria.
  Note to self, Make a few hundred million and set up an "International Macarthur Grant" equivalent.
  
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2. Re:Congratulations to Alan Cox by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-07 07:56 · Score: 0
  
  You forgot Linux-SMP. And the IDE drivers. Ugh. A thankless job, for sure.
no SOAP? by ignoringReality · 2005-10-06 14:00 · Score: 1

well whoever said it... neither searched sorceforge - http://sourceforge.net/projects/nusoap/
ARGH! Why did you have to say that word? by Anonymous Coward · 2005-10-06 22:45 · Score: 1, Funny

Why oh why did you have to say that word?

ARGH! ARGH! A-ah! A-a-aH, Macarena!