When you hold a stack of books and papers is it really an illogical way to hold them? I recall being scolded by other boys for holding things "like a girl". If what your female friend told you was true, they'd all be carrying books all the time.
"Which brings us back to engineering and Damore. In that case there actually is some evidence - women used to be more involved the field of CS, but there has been a decline since the mid 90s. Any explanation of the disparity in participation has to explain that to be credible."
This is just my personal observation so clearly not scientific...
I did my first coding back in the early 70s, and it seemed at the time to be a fairly even mix of men and women. As AmiMoJo stated, there was clearly a drop off of females in CS starting in the 90s. Speaking to some of the women I knew early on, I was told things like..."I got into engineering because of the money", and "I don't touch computers when I leave the office"...that was back in the day, and lead me to think their hearts weren't really in it. Not always the case, but certainly a not insignificant percentage of them. Also, as the internet came into common use, much more of the development work became sweatshop efforts, with long hours leaving little family time. And in my experience as a hiring manager who needs people 24/7/365, females appear to be less inclined to put in odd hours and holiday work. Once CS became mostly a boys club, women also seem to become less interested in being one of a few or maybe the only female in a dev lab.
Just my $.02, I wish I could find more women to hire...I interview every one of them that puts forward a reasonable resume. I'm hopeful that we're not beyond changing the situation, but I wonder if it's too late now.
Nonsense. People with chronic unmanageable pain often chose that path. I had this discussion long ago with my spouse, saying that if I were in a position where my quality of life had deteriorated to the point that I would never be able to get out of bed, that I would prefer to end it. This is a conscious decision made before the fact in my case.
We visited Hickory a couple years back when we were searching for decent size towns with lakefront homes to retire to. Hickory used to be the furniture capital of the U.S., and pretty much all of that industry is now overseas, so the town has a lot of good stuff from back when it was still doing well. But, it has a lot of skilled workers w/o decent jobs. The first restaurant we had dinner at, we discussed this with our elderly waitress who told us that if we moved there and were cleaning our own house, or mowing our own lawn, we were doing it wrong because the labor is cheaply available.
So, just my speculation here, but I think what you're seeing is people protesting against what they see as wealthy people with things they can't really afford.
You just can't handle the truth apparently. I'm not arguing that corporations and government don't wield excessive power, only that if you believe individuals can't make a difference, you're part of the problem.
Who are these "commoners" you speak of? Plenty of individuals have successfully beaten large corporations and government at all levels. So please stop spewing that bullshit.
Fun fact. Until July of 2017 Oregon was one of the states that did require aircraft pilots to register with the state and pay an annual fee for the privilege of being a pilot.
Since only the FAA can regulate that, I'm sure Oregon would have lost any court case had this come up in a dispute. I speak as a licensed private pilot...not that it really matters here.
t's kind of an asshole move. It's like calling tech support and saying "I am a software developer, I know what I am doing." That may or may not actually be the case, but you sound like a douche regardless of whether you are competent or not.
Since I was a software developer, I did this on occasion when I didn't want to be bothered by the stupid questions of "did you reboot your computer" or other such checklist nonsense, or if I needed to get to the next tier because I knew that the first level dweebs weren't going to have a clue. The primary intent is for them to realize they're talking with someone who actually knows a bit about the issue. It's like every time I have to call the cable company and they want to run through the checklist of cycling power to my modem when I already checked that myself.
I think you might have your history wrong. If you google when the first engineering licenses occurred, the very first entry and it's first sentence state....
A century ago, anyone could work as an engineer without proof of competency.
You seem to be taking this to a bit of an extreme. So, for an anecdote, let me tell you that I've held engineering titles since '82. None of them professional, and my first was given to me when I only had five years experience and an associates degree working at a Fortune 500 engineering company. While I wasn't licensed engineer, I did do some electrical design that went into non-critical systems used by the government. Our processes always ensured these things were well reviewed, to meet specs and customer requirements. I didn't go around calling myself an engineer (unless asked my title) until I later finished my CS, and did full lifecycle development. 37 years later, I'm an engineering manager, and not licensed in Oregon. But if I go to Oregon, I would have called myself an engineer in spite of these idiots attempts to appropriate the English language for their own purposes. They can't get away with that crap, and the court rightfully told them so. Now, if I were to claim to be licensed in Oregon, they might have a case against me, but otherwise this is nothing more than some lazy government employees not wanting to be bothered by the fact that their system was FUBAR, and it was rightfully pointed out to them.
People have the right to openly be racist bigoted MAGA-hat wearers. People also have the right to protest against them. The right they don't have is to violently, physically attack one another. Nor can they make threats of physical violence. Your rights end where they infringe upon the rights of others. Yes, AntiFa is fascist...not being able to tolerate opinions that differ from yours and threatening physical violence because of it is by definition fascism. And just so I'm not being one-sided, that jackass who killed the woman with his car in Charlottesville should fry, but not via a lynch mob.
I find it very interesting the increased number of ACs that show up whenever there's anything controversial about China. Not to mention that many of them are clearly not native English speaking posts.
For this reason, I don't respond to or mod up any AC posts.
Not picking on the parent here, just a general comment. I love how people toss the word "natural" around as if natural ingredients make it all better. There are plenty of toxic natural ingredients.
Well this as insightful shows how incredibly partisan and riht wing idiocy dominated this site has become. This whole "UK is islamic" is a weird fantasy of some segments of the American right wing, and seems poplar on Fox.
Interesting that you would jump on an AC comment that said nothing about America, Fox, left or right wings. I'm not arguing the AC's point, only that yours is a large source of the partisan nature you're complaining about.
So, this one isn't conclusive nor about colorectal cancer (manic or bipolar behavior instead), but nevertheless interesting and calling for additional study.
In conclusion, according to the International Agency for Research on Cancer, ingested nitrite under conditions that result in endogenous nitrosation is probably carcinogenic to humans (Group 2A (IARC Monogr Eval Carcinog Risks Hum. 2007, 94: in the press). NOCs are present in some processed meat, and are formed endogenously after red and processed meat consumption. Heme is a major determinant of NOC formation, and nitrite also contributes to NOC yield. Although many tested NOCs induce cancer in rodents, and NOC-adducts are found on volunteers’ colonic DNA, it is not yet clear whether red and processed meat-induced NOCs are colon carcinogens.
General Conclusion The fact that processed meat intake increases colorectal cancer risk seems established from the published meta-analyses of epidemiologic studies. The evidence is weak, however, since the RRs were all less than 2, and observational studies never fully avoid biases and confounders. The excess risk in the highest category of processed meat-eaters is comprised between 20 and 50% compared with non-eaters, which is modest compared with established risk factors like cigarette smoking for lung cancer (RR=20). However, the excess risk per gram of intake is clearly higher than that of fresh red meat.
Several hypotheses may explain the association of processed meat intake with CRC risk. From data reviewed above, the authors propose that the most likely explanations for the excess risk in processed meat eaters are (i) heme-induced promoters and (ii) carcinogenic N-nitroso-compounds. These toxic compounds are not specific to processed meat, but it is likely that nitrite curing enhances the toxicity: (i) nitrite binds to the heme iron, and the nitrosylheme could yield more toxic lipoperoxides and/or cytotoxic agents than native myoglobin-bound heme; (ii) nitrite curing leads to increased levels of N-nitrosated compounds in food and in the gut: Processed meat eaters are thus exposed to larger NOC levels than fresh meat eaters.
Colorectal cancer is the first cause of cancer death among non-smokers in affluent countries, and the five-year survival (approx. 60%) improves too slowly with the advances in the treatment of the disease. CRC prevention is thus a major goal for public health. Today, prevention is mostly based on dietary recommendations, notably the advice to reduce or to avoid processed meat consumption (2). We think that the prevention strategy might be improved if the mechanisms of cancer promotion were better understood. We guess that non-toxic processed meat could be produced, either by removing the potential toxic agent (e.g., removing nitrite to reduce NOC formation), or by adding a specific inhibitor, e.g., calcium to block heme in the digestive tract (Pierre et al, 2007, Brit. J. Nutr., accepted manuscript). This would permit the reduction of CRC load, without putting an end to the production and consumption of traditional, nutritional and enjoyable foods.
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Considering your post is now three days old w/o any replies, I think the screaming is going unheard.
When you hold a stack of books and papers is it really an illogical way to hold them? I recall being scolded by other boys for holding things "like a girl". If what your female friend told you was true, they'd all be carrying books all the time.
"Which brings us back to engineering and Damore. In that case there actually is some evidence - women used to be more involved the field of CS, but there has been a decline since the mid 90s. Any explanation of the disparity in participation has to explain that to be credible."
This is just my personal observation so clearly not scientific...
I did my first coding back in the early 70s, and it seemed at the time to be a fairly even mix of men and women. As AmiMoJo stated, there was clearly a drop off of females in CS starting in the 90s. Speaking to some of the women I knew early on, I was told things like..."I got into engineering because of the money", and "I don't touch computers when I leave the office"...that was back in the day, and lead me to think their hearts weren't really in it. Not always the case, but certainly a not insignificant percentage of them. Also, as the internet came into common use, much more of the development work became sweatshop efforts, with long hours leaving little family time. And in my experience as a hiring manager who needs people 24/7/365, females appear to be less inclined to put in odd hours and holiday work. Once CS became mostly a boys club, women also seem to become less interested in being one of a few or maybe the only female in a dev lab.
Just my $.02, I wish I could find more women to hire...I interview every one of them that puts forward a reasonable resume. I'm hopeful that we're not beyond changing the situation, but I wonder if it's too late now.
All suicide attempts are cries out for help.
Nonsense. People with chronic unmanageable pain often chose that path. I had this discussion long ago with my spouse, saying that if I were in a position where my quality of life had deteriorated to the point that I would never be able to get out of bed, that I would prefer to end it. This is a conscious decision made before the fact in my case.
If females are supposedly more emotional than man, why do men commit much more suicides?
Because the females drive them crazy.
We visited Hickory a couple years back when we were searching for decent size towns with lakefront homes to retire to. Hickory used to be the furniture capital of the U.S., and pretty much all of that industry is now overseas, so the town has a lot of good stuff from back when it was still doing well. But, it has a lot of skilled workers w/o decent jobs. The first restaurant we had dinner at, we discussed this with our elderly waitress who told us that if we moved there and were cleaning our own house, or mowing our own lawn, we were doing it wrong because the labor is cheaply available.
So, just my speculation here, but I think what you're seeing is people protesting against what they see as wealthy people with things they can't really afford.
You just can't handle the truth apparently. I'm not arguing that corporations and government don't wield excessive power, only that if you believe individuals can't make a difference, you're part of the problem.
I provided evidence. You provided the "blah-blah".
Who are these "commoners" you speak of? Plenty of individuals have successfully beaten large corporations and government at all levels. So please stop spewing that bullshit.
For a nation of 300M+, it effectively is climate statistically speaking.
Fun fact. Until July of 2017 Oregon was one of the states that did require aircraft pilots to register with the state and pay an annual fee for the privilege of being a pilot.
Since only the FAA can regulate that, I'm sure Oregon would have lost any court case had this come up in a dispute. I speak as a licensed private pilot...not that it really matters here.
t's kind of an asshole move. It's like calling tech support and saying "I am a software developer, I know what I am doing." That may or may not actually be the case, but you sound like a douche regardless of whether you are competent or not.
Since I was a software developer, I did this on occasion when I didn't want to be bothered by the stupid questions of "did you reboot your computer" or other such checklist nonsense, or if I needed to get to the next tier because I knew that the first level dweebs weren't going to have a clue. The primary intent is for them to realize they're talking with someone who actually knows a bit about the issue. It's like every time I have to call the cable company and they want to run through the checklist of cycling power to my modem when I already checked that myself.
I think you might have your history wrong. If you google when the first engineering licenses occurred, the very first entry and it's first sentence state....
A century ago, anyone could work as an engineer without proof of competency.
You seem to be taking this to a bit of an extreme. So, for an anecdote, let me tell you that I've held engineering titles since '82. None of them professional, and my first was given to me when I only had five years experience and an associates degree working at a Fortune 500 engineering company. While I wasn't licensed engineer, I did do some electrical design that went into non-critical systems used by the government. Our processes always ensured these things were well reviewed, to meet specs and customer requirements. I didn't go around calling myself an engineer (unless asked my title) until I later finished my CS, and did full lifecycle development. 37 years later, I'm an engineering manager, and not licensed in Oregon. But if I go to Oregon, I would have called myself an engineer in spite of these idiots attempts to appropriate the English language for their own purposes. They can't get away with that crap, and the court rightfully told them so. Now, if I were to claim to be licensed in Oregon, they might have a case against me, but otherwise this is nothing more than some lazy government employees not wanting to be bothered by the fact that their system was FUBAR, and it was rightfully pointed out to them.
People have the right to openly be racist bigoted MAGA-hat wearers. People also have the right to protest against them. The right they don't have is to violently, physically attack one another. Nor can they make threats of physical violence. Your rights end where they infringe upon the rights of others. Yes, AntiFa is fascist...not being able to tolerate opinions that differ from yours and threatening physical violence because of it is by definition fascism. And just so I'm not being one-sided, that jackass who killed the woman with his car in Charlottesville should fry, but not via a lynch mob.
I find it very interesting the increased number of ACs that show up whenever there's anything controversial about China. Not to mention that many of them are clearly not native English speaking posts.
For this reason, I don't respond to or mod up any AC posts.
Google disagrees
http://hrmasia.com/harsh-facto...
https://www.usatoday.com/story...
https://www.techtimes.com/arti...
Not picking on the parent here, just a general comment. I love how people toss the word "natural" around as if natural ingredients make it all better. There are plenty of toxic natural ingredients.
Why, if I didn't know better, I would think that the editors have an agenda of some kind. I wonder what agenda that might be?
Increasing revenue by posting articles that we would argue over.
Well this as insightful shows how incredibly partisan and riht wing idiocy dominated this site has become. This whole "UK is islamic" is a weird fantasy of some segments of the American right wing, and seems poplar on Fox.
Interesting that you would jump on an AC comment that said nothing about America, Fox, left or right wings. I'm not arguing the AC's point, only that yours is a large source of the partisan nature you're complaining about.
This website is full of scientists and I'm surprised I'm the first one to call out your bullshit.
Basement science != scientist
So, this one isn't conclusive nor about colorectal cancer (manic or bipolar behavior instead), but nevertheless interesting and calling for additional study.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.or...
Still unclear from this recent meta:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...
A few key paragraphs...
In conclusion, according to the International Agency for Research on Cancer, ingested nitrite under conditions that result in endogenous nitrosation is probably carcinogenic to humans (Group 2A (IARC Monogr Eval Carcinog Risks Hum. 2007, 94: in the press). NOCs are present in some processed meat, and are formed endogenously after red and processed meat consumption. Heme is a major determinant of NOC formation, and nitrite also contributes to NOC yield. Although many tested NOCs induce cancer in rodents, and NOC-adducts are found on volunteers’ colonic DNA, it is not yet clear whether red and processed meat-induced NOCs are colon carcinogens.
General Conclusion
The fact that processed meat intake increases colorectal cancer risk seems established from the published meta-analyses of epidemiologic studies. The evidence is weak, however, since the RRs were all less than 2, and observational studies never fully avoid biases and confounders. The excess risk in the highest category of processed meat-eaters is comprised between 20 and 50% compared with non-eaters, which is modest compared with established risk factors like cigarette smoking for lung cancer (RR=20). However, the excess risk per gram of intake is clearly higher than that of fresh red meat.
Several hypotheses may explain the association of processed meat intake with CRC risk. From data reviewed above, the authors propose that the most likely explanations for the excess risk in processed meat eaters are (i) heme-induced promoters and (ii) carcinogenic N-nitroso-compounds. These toxic compounds are not specific to processed meat, but it is likely that nitrite curing enhances the toxicity: (i) nitrite binds to the heme iron, and the nitrosylheme could yield more toxic lipoperoxides and/or cytotoxic agents than native myoglobin-bound heme; (ii) nitrite curing leads to increased levels of N-nitrosated compounds in food and in the gut: Processed meat eaters are thus exposed to larger NOC levels than fresh meat eaters.
Colorectal cancer is the first cause of cancer death among non-smokers in affluent countries, and the five-year survival (approx. 60%) improves too slowly with the advances in the treatment of the disease. CRC prevention is thus a major goal for public health. Today, prevention is mostly based on dietary recommendations, notably the advice to reduce or to avoid processed meat consumption (2). We think that the prevention strategy might be improved if the mechanisms of cancer promotion were better understood. We guess that non-toxic processed meat could be produced, either by removing the potential toxic agent (e.g., removing nitrite to reduce NOC formation), or by adding a specific inhibitor, e.g., calcium to block heme in the digestive tract (Pierre et al, 2007, Brit. J. Nutr., accepted manuscript). This would permit the reduction of CRC load, without putting an end to the production and consumption of traditional, nutritional and enjoyable foods.
I was a bit surprised myself. Maybe the folks w/mod points are still sleeping of the holiday hangover, or looking at bacon porn.
Also, it is well established that Americans who eat processed meat have a higher rate of colon cancer
So, help me understand how it is that processed meat consumption is up, and colorectal cancer is down...
http://fortune.com/2018/01/02/...
https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/col...