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Anti-Tesla Pickup Truck Drivers Take Over a Supercharger Station -- Again (electrek.co)
An anonymous reader quotes Electrek:
In what is quickly becoming a problem for some Tesla drivers, pickup truck drivers have again taken over a Supercharger station and yelled profanities in what appears to be an act of protest against Tesla. Earlier this month, we reported on a strange situation at Tesla's Hickory Supercharger in North Carolina where three large pickup trucks blocked access to the station and reportedly chanted "F*** Tesla"....
Now it looks like it's becoming a trend since another Reddit user spotted pickup truck drivers taking over another Tesla Supercharger. They reportedly were also yelling profanities to Tesla owners coming to charge at the Supercharger station.
Electrek also cites one Tesla owner's reports of being "coal rolled" -- intentionally targetted with extra black exhaust fumes from specially-modified engines.
Now it looks like it's becoming a trend since another Reddit user spotted pickup truck drivers taking over another Tesla Supercharger. They reportedly were also yelling profanities to Tesla owners coming to charge at the Supercharger station.
Electrek also cites one Tesla owner's reports of being "coal rolled" -- intentionally targetted with extra black exhaust fumes from specially-modified engines.
No better way to convince people they're wrong/dumb than being an asshole to them. These truckers should run for office
... because Tesla is doing a fine job of fucking itself.
* Late deliveries.
* Panel gaps that look like the cars were built by a high school shop class after the class had a keg party.
* Musk, who insists on making public remarks which are likely to cause most of the public to have negative feelings toward Musk.
* Prices which will very soon look like a bad joke compared to the competition, which is going to come from car companies which have a depth of
engineering talent that Tesla cannot hope to match.
* And did I mention that Musk is a raging narcissistic prick ?
I and many others who are not ever going to block a charging station do not have good feelings about Tesla, for very solid reasons.
Tesla will go down the toilet with no interference from dumbass rednecks in pickup trucks required.
Just wait and see.
Tesla owners are scared of guns. They would cry if they saw one.
If it isn't a tow away zone then somebody screwed up.
The funny thing is those pickups are WAY more cool and interesting than yet another lame P.O.S. electric car. I love the fact that these guys fucked with the libtards this way and I plan to do the same with my custom boosted Raptor.
We will replace you. And all your coal rolling desperation does is tell us you know it too.
some 'no unauthorized parking. violators will be towed' signage with crazy high towing and 'storage' fees (high as legally allowed) posted and some cameras.
anytime someone that isn't a tesla owner parks there, alert someone at tesla to verify via video.. then call tow trucks (plus police if vehicles are not unattended).
split the proceeds with the tow companies. the cops get all that sweet civil forfeiture.. drugs or guns likely, money even, plus pad their monthly tallies for citations written.. illegal vehicle modifications, owi/dwi (even when parked it's usually illegal), no insurance, improper display of plates, parole/probation violations or whatever else these hicks can get nailed for.. trucks like that parked in a tesla lot is fish in a barrel.
Take our your cell phone, take pictures of the trucks (and license plates if you can). Then call the police and report that trucks are blocking a public entrance. When the cops finally show up, show them the pictures and file a report.
How hard is that?
Or I guess you could just pull out your guns and have a showdown. Seriously are people this stupid?
Redneck trump supporters being total dickheads. Not surprised by this at all.
Oh wow 2 Russian bots! ;)
Tag numbers are publicly posted info. If similar happens to you, get clear license plate pics. Then splatter them over the internet so others may be warned of these criminals.
so i guess itâ(TM)s okay for tesla drivers to block entrances to gas stations and yell obscenities at all the drivers? makes sense.
Ban them! Ban them all noowww! Outlaw black smoke, pickups, any interference with anything Tesla anywhere on Earth and DO IT YESTERDAY OMGWTF!!1
Enjoy your time in prison, mr criminal. Maybe chanting 'fuck *anything*' will be a turn on to your cell mate.
You will never own a Tesla, you have never even been in the same room as a gun, and you would never confront anyone over the age of ten years. These facts are immediately obvious to every single person who reads your post.
They’re wrong.
FTFY
"Coal-fired Republican nazi trash is upset at urban vehicles, news at 11, wah"
Those that publicly claim to be a gun owner are seldom capable of effectively using a firearm. Beware of the person with a single firearm ... and keeps it a secret.
First they ignore Tesla
Then they laugh at Tesla
Then they fight Tesla <--
Then Tesla wins
Careful. Don't annoy the rich people.
I suspect that it's a ploy to dissuade buying electric by presenting a "Electric car owners will be bullied" sentiment. I have no doubt it's orchestrated as I am sure the drivers or the utes have better things to do really.
The inevitable EV revolution is being attacked on many fronts.
Given how many charging stations are paid with public tax money - I'm quite all right with tax payers blocking chargers and preventing their tax money from being wasted on some asshole's car.
Don't forget that Teslas are partially paid for with our tax money, and those chargers are also subsidized with our tax money, for a service almost no one can use.
Tesla owners deserve everything they get.
What exactly do the truck drivers think they’re accomplishing? And what do they think they’re protesting?
I realize these guys are likely not the brightest bulbs in the box... but seriously, they must have at least a vaguely-defined reason they are choosing to do this.
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I have a Tesla and own several guns. If this was happening to me, I would construe it as a threat upon my being and I wouldn't hesitate to put the assailant(s) to death.
This is why a mental health assessment should be required for both gun ownership and a drivers license. You should have neither.
your airsoft gun will just make them angry, basement dweller. besides, you'll get a sunburn.
Someone needs anger management counseling and its not just the truck drivers.
We have quite a few of those recharging station at the malls and railroad stations around here, 16 within 2 miles of me..... never seen them blocked by anything or anyone, ever.
Umm. Sure. And as owners of status only trucks show no smugness, all will be just fine.
Are you really that fragile.
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I donâ(TM)t think u think the post means what u think it means.
Nice, have these idiots vehicles legally towed and let them enjoy their ridiculous impound fees that most communities have. Maybe they'll direct their far right rage towards the bullshit government attitude towards the privatization of impound lots. Your car was towed on a Friday? Good luck low income person being able to afford getting your car out of impound on Monday.
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Precisely. Tesla's are expensive solar jewelry taking advantage of tax subsidies. In most places they are largely fueled by inefficient coal, oil and natural gas, creating more carbon emissions than the typical diesel truck.
https://www.businessinsider.co...
Tesla owners are scared of guns. They would cry if they saw one.
They seem pretty fond of flamethrowers though.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
So this has happened twice, and during those times worse behavior occurs on demand (i.e. they cuss people out when they approach the chargers) and yet there's no cellphone video of the perps?
but they're probably angry at technocrat elites. If they're blue collar types odds are good they listen to right wing media which is often on the warpath against silicon valley and the like. Plus if they're blue collar then odds are good they're not doing so hot economically since blue collar types got hammered in the last recession and never really recovered.
Still, I could be totally wrong. Like the author if TFA I'd love to just ask them why.
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If people can block freeways in protest, what can't ordinary citizens deny the public access to?
Then I have good news for you: He has neither.
Tesla: Why are you blocking the entrance? ...
Redneck: Go home, fag!
Tesla: OK, I'm gay. But why?
Redneck: Fuck you!
Tesla: You still haven't answered my question
Redneck: Go home, fag!
Tesla: What is the problem exactly?
Redneck: You're ruining America!
Tesla: How's that?
Redneck: Go home, fag!
"they're harder to start"
I assume this is aimed at diesel trucks, and tells me one of two things:
1. You've never owned a diesel truck
2. If you have, it was a PowerStroke.
REAL diesel trucks are not hard to start.
Nah, just ask them if there is some gay or black couple down the road and they will load up and haul ass there to start giving them hell too.
I live in North Carolina and, unfortunately, we have a certain level of rednecks out here where the only thing that melts quicker than their IQ is their snowflake when stuff they are too afraid to deal with comes around.
I hope someone slashes all of your tires. Maybe then you'll get the point.
Fuck you!!!! I have a gun!!!! I will kick your ass and then shoot you!!!! Animeeeeee!!!!!!!
I know a guy with two firearm. His name is Johnny Storm.
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It's pretty much what you would expect from a state that was basically one of the major players in slavery.
Are you really suggesting murder is the best response to protests? You're good with Charlottesville, then?
When NC comes to SF or NYC begging for investments and tech job creation to help get their hill billy economy off the ground, just remind them that no educated skilled worker wants to live in a place where people behave like that.
If you don't like it, here's what you can do:
Step 1- get some used forklift batteries (lots of the blue collar type folks protestin' probably have access to these)
Step 2- build a battery pack with a charger/adapt an off the shelf one with a step up/down transformer and plug adapter for the standardized electric charging stations
Step 3- put the pack in the bed of your pickup and drive to a charging station
Step 4- charge your pack, go have a Bud Light and a smoke
Step 5- unplug the pack and return home to your trailer, plug it in -- FREE POWER
So not only a great protest, but now you can watch Fox News powered by free libtard charging stations!!!
IIRC, people dropped rocks from overpasses on early Japanese imports that were on the roads of North America.
And their kids drive Toyotas, Hondas, and now those upstarts from Korea, Hyundais.
Blather, rinse, repeat.
I have a Tesla and own several guns. If this was happening to me, I would construe it as a threat upon my being and I wouldn't hesitate to put the assailant(s) to death.
1. no you wouldn't
2. if you were actually dumb enough to try this as a defense...you'd be imprisoned for murder. Blocking a gas pump is not a threat.
Big truck drivers must not have much to do. I wonder how long they waited for somebody to actually wanna use those chargers? Must have been a sale on Copenhagen and Budwieser.
In TFA, Tesla driver reports “took them 10 minutes or so and one of them did that ‘I’m going to hit you’ maneuver after circling the parking lot.”
WTF is a ‘I’m going to hit you’ maneuver?
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Yea, no you wouldn't. Or you are lying. No responsible gun owner would brandish their weapon because someone said mean words. It is literally the opposite of "responsible".
You don't have a clue how taxes work.
Well, they have to ask for them you know. Jobs donâ(TM)t collect on the sidewalk duh
oh boy, John Wick lives, and threatens geeks on slashdot. I'm shaking in my boots, er slippers, right now.
I fairly clearly said diesel FIRES are harder to start. "Die in a diesel fire, they're harder to start." Jesus man, reading isn't a beartrap, stick a toe in and learn how it works. As if I needed to deign to insult diesel mechanics, lol.
The poor filthy SOB's have bigger problems than what I think about their choice of fuels. Besides, if you don't make your own bio-d, you're missing the entire point of that platform.
Er high heels. We know you.
All that next.
He's talking about the fuel, not the engine, you dense fuck.
They're not even his, the cheeky slag.
Taxes are how evil liberal Muslim gay atheists steal the pretty women from us real Muricans. Fucking bastards with their "good higene" and elitist "literacy".
Trumps gonna build that wall with clean coal and make murica great like back in the fifties!
call in the cops, tear gas the lot of em.
So if he doesn't agree with your politics, he's unfit? got it.
Shooting someone because they inconvenienced you is pretty much always considered illegal. There is no threat to life, so no reason to shoot. Yes, someone who wants to do what the GP stated he did is either mentally unstable or clearly acting with criminal intent.
Awesome! I can hear Sean Hannity lying to me over liberal-subsidized electricity already! Is there nothing the ghost of Reagan can't do? I knew being a freeloading Libertarian retard would pay off someday!
He worked hard enough to take them off your dad...
Actually I think you dont have a clue how taxes work.
What the grantparent said is true. Both teslas and charging stations are subsidized by taxes.
As of course are a lot of other things, however it does not make it untrue.
Our tax dollars also subsidize gas stations and traditional vehicles. Oil and gas companies get tens of billions of dollars in subsidies every year, and have for quite some time. The government loaned the auto industry tens of billions of our tax dollars during the last recession, and it wasn't the first time. Are you really that picky about how our tax dollars are spent?
Would you feel better if Tesla had a century of experience prior to accepting public money? Maybe they need to also make billions of dollars per year on top of the corporate welfare they receive. Would that make them 'Mercian enough for Main Street, Peckerwood?
Why do you (and a small but obnoxious number of truck owners) think Tesla owners are liberals?
I badly want a Tesla, and I'm possibly the most conservative person I know.
Screw the planet, I want the technology. And the low-end torque.
Won't work: they implement a protocol where the charger talks to the car before throwing closed a relay.
The power delivery is just a dumb dump of high voltage power straight to the car, but you need to validate with the charger before it will turn on. Pretty sure the car has to talk to the power station while charging too, for "safety."
Even if you did reverse engineer this protocol, you still have to authenticate with the station using some phone app or something. So, no, they've already figured out how to prevent tax payers from using the power they're paying for to charge some rich assholes car.
Reap what they SOW, you fuckwit. SOW. Sewing, really? #Ayn Rand facepalm
So, we mod up the cretin that threatens death and mod down the progressive mocking such antiquated values?
Someone is going to die.
Whether it's a pregnant woman being driven to hospital in a Tesla dying of complications, a kid getting hit by something thrown, raised tempers turning ugly, someone failing to stop in time for the parked cars...
And the truckers will deny it has anything to do with them. Legally, they'd probably be right. Blood on innocent hands.
The Tesla drivers will deny any blame, too, if it's a case of raised tempers. Stand your ground is a legal defence.
It wouldn't matter if they had to stack the bodies in a double 40' trailer. Nobody's guilty here, your honor.
Who the hell gives a shit what you think of such and such a political ideology that nobody here can define anyway. Who the hell cares what you think of Tesla or truckers?
Is the absolute certainty of accidental death of someone who has nothimg to do with either side a desired outcome? This isn't whatiffery, this is guaranteed if these incidents keep happening.
At what point is it more important to find and apply a fix than to whine about the bug?
My guess is never. The days when getting things done mattered are long over.
Now get off my lawn!
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
They aren't protesting anything. They are just being jackasses. I think the pickups should be crushed into little cubes. It would not particularly upset me if the owners were inside during the operation.
Interesting. But you don't fit the Tesla owner model. So get rid of one
Hillbillies and yahoos know no better. This just reveals that they have seen the writing in the wall, and that they are shitting in their pants.
Its ironic but the religious the ones that did accept facts. Now its the liberal religion.
In what is quickly becoming a problem for some Tesla drivers
It's happened TWICE - that's the same number of times Hillary lost her bid for President...
Let's not over-react.
Ken
Almost every dictator has used "mental health" to suppress dissent.
You mean those subsidies that kept our country from being dependent on importing crap from other nations? That's what tax money should be spent on.
Besides, most of the power used to charge Teslas comes from these gas and oil companies that you decry.
Not to mention gasoline is heavily taxed to pay for road upkeep, and Tesla owners complete sidestep that, so I am yet again literally paying money for services they get for free. And as battery packs are a waste of weight, Teslas cause more damage to the roads than other vehicles, meaning yet again everyone else is subsidizing the Tesla owners.
EVs and Teslas can all go to hell. They use up even more CO2 than regular vehicles, all so the driver can feel smug about how they're not emitting any CO2 where they are, ignoring all the CO2 required to let them do that.
"Its ironic but the religious the ones that did accept facts" - Learn how to form a coherent thought and get back to us. You're not repeating Hannity verbatim and original thoughts only confuse and anger you.
Maryland has lots of coal and it is solidly Democrat. I guess they fuck their sisters and watch Fox News there, too?
Tesla pays for the power, idiot.
No, we would have to go up to become twitter. /. has become filled with trash and russian/chinese trolls.
Do they actually think the Tesla owners are going to say, “Gosh fellas, you’re right. I’m going to sell my Tesla today and buy a Ford pickup.”?
I'm a suburbanite and I've been driving a hybrid Camry since 2007 and I like it.
But I don't think that insulting these truck owners (or vice versa) is going to help anybody.
I think that electric vehicles pose a very real threat to the jobs and the future of many rural Americans, who feel that their work depends on trucks, cars, vehicle repair, oil, oil equipment, coal, scrap yards, etc, etc.
That is especially the case today, when Tesla has been publicizing the success of their SELF-DRIVING electric SEMI-trucks. Tesla says that in a convoy, they are more energy efficient than trains. They even have a standing order for HUNDREDS of these new trucks from Walmart, rural America's love/hate store/employer.
For years, the only way that a rural American could escape and see the world was to either drive a truck or work on the railroad.
Its a fundamental part of American culture, and it doesn't escape these people that Tesla's development poses a tangible threat to that way of life.
There are political and economic solutions that could provide jobs AND save the environment, but its not going to happen by spewing all this filth.
Oversized glorified expensive blow torch. There I fixed it.
Tesla owners have laser pistols.
Urbanites don't generally drive Teslas, or cars at all if they can help it. You're looking at rich suburbanites. But sure, make it a city vs country thing, despite the rather obvious fact the cities continue to have their transportation needs ignored while expensive, highly subsidized, highways to nowhere continue to serve the non-urban parts of America.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
If EV and hybrid drivers would back off on the smug factor, the problem would go away.
Funny, my office parking lot has three Tesla vehicles in it, but the frequent comments along the line of, "If only you had a real vehicle..." comes from the three lifted truck owners.
Quite a sensitive bunch too, they get upset when other people's vehicles do things they think only their trucks can do. Here is an example from a coffee machine conversation just the other week:
Corolla owner: "Hey Bob, you should check out this awesome hiking trail I found"
Truck owner, who is not Bob: "Bob's has a car and you could never make it up that logging road without a real vehicle."
Corolla owner: "I've been up there several times with my corolla just fine."
Truck owner: "People like you are why we pay so much taxes, because every time you get stuck on one of those logging roads you have to be bailed out"
Corolla owner: "... you get a private tow truck to bail you out, not a tax funded service. You should know since you had to be towed out when you got tangled up in that fence a couple months ago."
"I think that electric vehicles pose a very real threat to the jobs and the future of many rural Americans" = You living in a ridiculously limited paradigm, making excuses for being unable to adapt to reality and/or progress, essentially.
If rural America can't figure out what to do outside of a coal mine, I guess we need a war for them to die in. #Solved.
They're blocking the Tesla superchargers that are powered by fossil fuels. Having solar panels on their house makes no difference to where the power for the charging stations comes from
When you can't find an obvious reason, look for who stands to gain. Traditional auto companies have been fighting a delaying battle against Tesla for years. Tesla is way ahead of them in an area they know they will eventually have to compete in. Plus Tesla is one of the most short-sold companies in history. Doesn't take much to spark a temporary fluctuation in stock prices.
I would be astonished if there weren't some of these motives behind this. Likely a combination - a lot of those who have short positions on Tesla are funded by traditional auto.
This is the same kind of FUD Microsoft tried against Linux with SCO. No different.
Not directly, no.
from being dependent on importing crap from other nations
Given the auto sales numbers.. i think you mean the "foreign cars everyone wants to buy" instead of the domestic garbage.
Look below, as far as cars go, the domestic market is just toast... which is why they are all exiting to go build trucks.
https://www.usatoday.com/story...
1st place: Honda Civic
2nd place: Toyota Camry
3rd place: Toyota Corolla sedan
4th place: Honda Accord
5th place: Nissan Altima
6th place: Nissan Sentra
7th place: Ford Fusion
8th place: Chevrolet Cruze
9th place: Hyundai Elantra
10th place: Chevrolet Malibu
No, I think there are plenty of other jobs that rural America can easily adapt to. Obvious ones are solar, wind farming, growing biofuels,
I requires political leaders who can win people over to a new view of the future.
I think trolling "Anonymous Cowards" like you, who stick everyone into a "category", and flippantly pose war as the solution don't help very much.
But we will learn to ignore you.
That's Not A Flamethrower...
I don't think that insulting these truck owners (or vice versa) is going to help anybody.
Fuck these fragile snowflakes who are so afraid of change that they'll go park their trucks in front of another guy's filling station. That's small ball. You don't see Tesla owners blockading filling stations.
They don't get to be assholes and expect that anyone will listen to them. The American Yahoo is something to be derided and mocked. I've met them - if you aren't like them, you're their plaything or their enemy. They'll screw you mercilessly if they have an angle, and they'll laugh to their buddies about it later.
For years, the only way that a rural American could escape and see the world was to either drive a truck or work on the railroad. Its a fundamental part of American culture, and it doesn't escape these people that Tesla's development poses a tangible threat to that way of life.
Railways will continue to exist. Trucks will continue to exist. The rednecks will still be able to hoot and holler and do doughnuts in walmart parking lots at midnight. Soon they'll be able to stagger out of their shitty bars and have their trucks drive them home without the usual DUI along the way. You don't need to be doing the driving to see the country.
I think that electric vehicles pose a very real threat to the jobs and the future of many rural Americans, who feel that their work depends on trucks, cars, vehicle repair, oil, oil equipment, coal, scrap yards, etc, etc.
The fact is, moving goods around and monkey-wrenching are not going to be fallback jobs for Joe Schmoe anymore. They only ever paid reasonably well because they're shit jobs that no one with half a brain wants. Those jobs will go away, because it's cheaper and more pleasant to deal with a self-driving vehicle than it is to deal with Joe Schmoe. Time for Joe to do something with his life.
Nothing like attacking a minority for no real reason.
I doubt it, at least until the uber-Troll-in-Chief goes off to prison and we stop ALLOWING the Republican faggots to gaslight the rest of America with their anti-science, anti-education, anti-law, anti-professional regime.
So you're half right, you just don't know how to point out the elephant in the room like it requires to be acknowledged and dealt with.
Amiably agree to just split, no civil war necessary. The middle and the South get their "news" from Fox, Breitbart, and AM pundits; and thus have a completely different view of gov't and reality.
Why keep clashing with them over pollution, healthcare, science, etc.? Just fucking split. Let them have their own reality to themselves.
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and look at the pictures they took of the trucks doing it. Those aren't hillbilly trucks. In the first picture they were late models, MSRPs starting at $27k. The second picture it was 2 SUVs and 1 pickup with a pricey looking lift kit. Second pick somebody had the hood popped and was working on something, so it mighta just been somebody who had a breakdown, first picture looked legit though and it's probably just middle class blue collar guys pissed off at the elites they keep hearing about on Fox News or one of Sinclair media's Fox News wannabes.
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pretty much all of those "foreign cars" are made in america dumbass
Gas? Would you like to rethink your post?
Tesla is the first American car company that I can be proud of. I never felt pride toward GM nor Ford nor Chrysler, but I feel proud of Tesla.
These coal-rolling assholes should perhaps stop dedicating themselves to pollution and contempt, and think of Tesla as the vanguard of American automotive ingenuity.
That would depress Tesla stock as it would increase the supply of used Teslas on the market (the Tesla owners who get a life without possibility of parole will have to sell their Teslas as they will have nowhere to store them) and cut back on new car sales (when the last Tesla owner goes to prison for life, there's no fan boys to buy a new Tesla).
If you think rural whites are bad, wait until you see what happens when the pet immigrants and n-ggers you're going to "replace" us with become the majority and go off your plantation. They'll be spilling blood in the streets. You'll wish it was just good-'ol-boy Joe 6-pack in his pickup truck you had to deal with.
Just don't drop the soap (unless you live in a state with the death penalty -- I think most death row inmates don't take showers with other inmates).
Yes, this is definitely worth murder.
These North Carolina pickup drivers really took the time and effort to block Tesla drivers from charging their cars?
Don't these pickup truck drivers have anything better to do, like impregnating their sisters/daughters/mothers? I mean, it is the South, after all.
Well how are we supposed to be aware of them if they keep it secret?
If you're generous in what you count as a subsidy, you get maybe $10B. In the meantime, people pay $40B in federal gas taxes and another $70B in State gas taxes at the pump every year. That's not a government subsidy, that's $100B in extra taxes on gas other products don't have to deal with.
I don't see any reason to be so personal or vengeful on the attacks. Tesla runs on electricity, which can be made with many things, including coal. That is not the choice Tesla owners get to make. Tesla owners get to make the choice of not having to decide what form of energy to use, and at over 100 MPGe, they are using a lot less of whatever it is.
If you get in a Tesla, and put your foot on the accelerator, you have to like what happens next, it is pretty awesome. And if you are somehow tied to ICE engines financially, you have to worry about what happens next. There are few and declining reasons to cling to a gasoline car for the vast majority of the population.
Now if it's Tesla in particular they loathe, take the trucks out of the EV charge slots, which is inevitably going to result in a lot of fines and impound fees, and fund an EV car company that makes a cheaper car. I do not think Tesla's place in the automotive universe is certain. They make the best product, but they're up against an industry that knows how to make "just good enough" into a weapon, and they're still at a price point which isn't attainable to the masses.
being subsidized should be familiar to lots of people outside of major urban areas
"Old man yells at systemd"
Capitalism is the reason people have to live in fear of losing a job. Socialism would prevent this.
to drag jumbo jets around to taxi....
The morons complaining at teslas are trash and since they are an existential threat and the USA has in many states laws allowing you to protect yourself from aggression with lethal force, they should be removed for the general public safety.
If this causes the police some worry, just take some boot polish to the rednecks' faces and blacken them up, the police won't give a shit then.
The "facts" are bullshit and irrelevant. It's a fact that the year is longer than 360 days, but such facts, despite scaring you shitless, is rather irrelevant.
And now that the rednecsk are being treated as they treat others,suddenly it's mean.... right....
Moron. What do you think sets the price of oil? The government would do it if they demanded a payment in flat currency for the oil, since that would be the base price for sale of that oil. So the government is not doing that, they charge a tax to pay for the resource that the companies took from the public. That way the market finds the "market price" without government intervention.
Fucking clueless libertard moron.
Seems like conservatives don't actually have faith in the free market. If they really believed electric will fail, why intervene?
Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
How we have been killing the planet and how it triggers more and more disasters that will kill us all off
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If I needed to use the pumps and it was blocked, I would park in front of the truck so it cannot move. can't help it if the batteries died.
Are the entrances to Malls therefore ALSO possible to block? No. Because "it's muh prifate properly!!!" is a load of irrelevant bollocks.
> Given how many charging stations are paid with public tax money - I'm quite all right with tax payers blocking chargers and preventing their tax money from being wasted on some asshole's car.
Given how many roads are paid with public tax money - I'm quite all right with tax payers blocking roads and preventing their tax money from being wasted on some asshole's truck...
Given how many schools are paid with public tax money - I'm quite all right with tax payers blocking entrances and preventing their tax money from being wasted on some asshole's kids...
Given how many hospitals are paid with public tax money - I'm quite all right with tax payers blocking the emergency entrance and preventing their tax money from being wasted on some asshole's heart attack...
> Don't forget that Teslas are partially paid for with our tax money, and those chargers are also subsidized with our tax money, for a service almost no one can use.
Subsidies are also given to companies that extract dino bones and convert them to fuel. Anyone who demands Tesla should receive no subsidies should also demand that the oil companies likewise receive no subsidies.
Good luck in court with that one you macho douche
Funny thing is those same people putting their own personal progress against that of the human race. Funny how the same group of people are among the bible belt's 'finest'. These people need to unfuck themselves and go find a job that actually works in the 21st century.
So hard right now..
They think dumb ol' fire is better than harnessed LIGHTNING that electric cars use.
Electric has Speed, Power, Focus; combustion based cars are for little old ladies for whom 0-60 time doesn't matter, because they never reach it.
Block the pickup with a steam tractor.
drunk rednecks vs. faggots. pistols at dawn!
And every dictator breathes air, so according to your logic you should stop that
maryland only has one coal-fired power station.
How about using your Tesla Flamethrower?
Actually, Tesla owners have phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range. At least the ones in the early-experience program do.
Tesla announced self-driving electric semis a while ago. Many of them are on the hook for debt on their trucks. Many truckers get into the business because they don't perceive many other options for jobs they're qualified for. So when a company announces they plan on replacing you, your truck, and their primary source of income
I dunno. Maybe you take it personally? Productive? Maybe not. But when you don't feel you have other options, one of the points of public protest is to bring media attention to the issue. They don't have polished PR staff on retainer, so there you go. They are getting media attention. Maybe a reporter will have a slow news day and run what's going on in their minds. Maybe they'll have a good point, maybe not. That's how this works.
Just a few occurrences so obviously it is some sort of local grudge. The list of possible ways the Tesla owners could have ticked someone off is too long spend time on. Just call the cops or the media and cause a scene, then we'll know what dickhead action the Tesla drivers did to tick them off and it will get some national publicity.
> think that electric vehicles pose a very real threat to
> the jobs
BFD. To use the buzzword... cloud computing posed a "very real threat" to traditional "rack 'em & stack 'em"-style IT & operations jobs. In fact, it basically killed them; unless you want to be a datacenter tech for Amazon or Google. But who cares? We all just learned our ways around AWS, GCP, and Terraform. Problem solved. Hell... I call it an improvement. I'd not realized, before updating my own skill set, how much Id grown to view mucking about with hardware to be the least-fulfilling and most-annoying part of the job.
It's not, after all, like Teslas never break down or malfunction. The skillset needed when the do is simply different; that's all. It's not like mechanics, and the like, can afford not to keep their skills up already. Working on a modern Mercedes turbo-diesel is a far different deal from keeping a '95 Civic on the road. Moving up to a Tesla is just the next step up or right on the skills tree.
Imagine all the people...
They probably wanted to do it near the border, but don't get good enough gas mileage to get that far.
Hit TV show right there.
Subsidies are also given to companies that extract dino bones and convert them to fuel. Anyone who demands Tesla should receive no subsidies should also demand that the oil companies likewise receive no subsidies.
Fortunately most of the subsidies are expiring and a lot of the charging stations are being converted to pay stations because as it turns out no one likes subsidizing cars that are worse for the environment than regular gasoline powered cars just to sooth some rich asshole's ego.
Right, just ignore the inconvenient truth that the definition of "mental health" is inherently political; and that diagnosis of "mental illness" has been used to suppress political dissent by many different tyrannical regimes.
Truck driver: "Shuddup idjit."
Corolla owner: (chokes on his own teeth)
Jackass, meet jackass.
You're a racist, classist Corporate Progressive asshole. You live in some human sewer suburb, and have never actually spoken to a "redneck" in your whole life.
Hint for you: Unless you strip your license plates and wear a baklava first, expect that a security camera somewhere nearby will identify you, and your car, and either they will set up a sting, or just send you a ticket in the mail, like they already do with red light tickets.
The era of doing anything unnoticed in public in America is rapidly coming to a close. The security apparatus has too much of a hardware for pervasive surveillance, and the common pleb too little understanding of just how much longer it will take to roll it out everywhere of (economic) importance eventually including areas of economic importance to citation writing, at which point everything you do, saw, or enjoy will be taxed mercilessly with no way out except emigration or suicide. And they may take emigration away from you if you're not careful.
unfortunately there are far too many irresponsible gun owners out there with shit for brains
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
they are "smug" because they have an EV? that chip on your shoulder must be getting heavy.
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
are you mentally old enough to drive?
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
"f it's their tax money being wasted on some asshole Tesla driver." how does that compare to all the tax money being used to prop up a dying industry from the 2 centuries ago?
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Certainly strong enough to cause some serious paint damage on those pickup trucks. That's not a suggestion, by the way, wink wink...
Yep, it's one of the referral benefits. You need about a hundred referrals if I'm not mistaken.
Step 6: work out how to simulate an EV for the data connection handshake with charger
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Especially not a Tesla flamethrower
Also, Luddites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite)
the mistake you are making is that you are expecting these few childish truckers to be logical or thoughtful, its hard for them when they are so racked with jealousy of someone having a more than them.
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
The tax subsidies are actually hurting Tesla right now. They are being phased out (cut in half from january onwards, and going down further later on) while remaining in full effect for many others.
(GM's will be cut in half next quarter, too)
It's not about liberal vs conservative. It's about class. These are a bunch of working class boys protesting against rich, effete pricks.
"the definition of "mental health" is inherently political"
I guess we can just make stuff up, and declare it is a fact.
"diagnosis of "mental illness" has been used to suppress political dissent by many different tyrannical regimes."
Some people are dangerous, unstable, and crazy regardless of who is in charge.
What did you expect?
Is there anything in the terms when buying a Tesla which allows Tesla to run a license-plate scanner in every Tesla car looking for these people (which may owe them compensation for using the charger station without being a customer)? - I am not suggesting they should do it, but could they?
If word gets out that trucks parked there are frequently getting scratched or otherwise damaged, this trend will stop quickly.
Sounds just like High School. Nerds getting harassed by bullies.
Tesla really needs to make a pick up truck with twice the torque of a Cummins Diesel and make it larger than any big three truck. That will really confuse them.
Let him take the test, or assessment, or whatever, before he takes your opinion.
Much like Islam, redneck is not a race. He's a bigot, and probably a classist, but we've seen no evidence of racism.
home of the stupid bullies.
Trump as a President fits perfectly.
One of the lesser known functions of the highway system is for national defense. It's not just about civilian shit.
Also, those non-urban areas have people that pay their taxes just like the urban areas.
Also, again, those highways to nowhere are what connect your urban areas together so you can move between them, and connect farms to your grocery stores so you have food to eat.
Redneck is a racist remark, dipshit. Black people don't turn red when working in the sun.
Lol as usual libtards always revert back to insults when there arguments fail. Sure sign of losers!
so what you are saying is that all of history can be viewed through the lens of class struggle?
My custom Raptor would cost upwards of $150k if you kitted it out from scratch today. In this case I am the rich guy and the teslatards are the lowers eho couldnt afford an actually cool ride.
They don't strike me as being a trucking demographic, but more of a mom's basement demographic.
The pickup protesters in the story probably see a row of EV charger parking spaces as being "stolen" from them. It's the same people who resent seeing handicapped spaces. The boutique mall next to me now has a row of ten Tesla spaces, off to one side so there is less conflict with the ICE population.
The right-wing in the USA operates under a lot of myths that they tell themselves about the other side. One thing they believe is that if it ever "came down to it" their side would obviously win in any kind of civil war that they like to fantasize about.
It's because they operate under the belief that they must be an entirely homogenous group so the other side must be as well. Since they perceive the "typical" left-winger as some kind of weak willed pansy they assume they must all be like that.
Which as an aside, a right-wing myth is in play with the gov't shutdown as well, which is the right-wing pushes the narrative that almost all gov't employees are democrats that are leaching off their tax dollars when the reality is the gov't employees are split much in the same proportions as the rest of the country, about 30% republican, about 30% democrat, and the rest independents.
You also see it in rhetoric about who receives gov't social welfare benefits. They love to present the myth of them all being inner city and minority when the reality is that there are more rural whites receiving social welfare benefits than city minorities.
But back to my original point, one myth they love is that republicans surely have all the guns and make up all the military and law enforcement when the reality is that an estimated 45% of guns are in the hands of democrats and that while it's true republicans have a majority in military and law enforcement, it's only a little more than half.
In spite of what the NRA likes to push there are loads of gun owners and enthusiasts who see no issue with some common sense regulation around guns, and that's not just democrat gun owners but republicans as well.
Tesla owners have laser pistols.
No, they have Musk flamethrowers. Just the thing to use on vehicles containing gas tanks.
Just like the glitter bomb guy, fake as fuck. And all of you people fall for it over and over again. It's no wonder what passes for reality TV.
How much more quickly do you need it to be?
This is a global disaster in the making!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Next civil war wont be north vs south. It will be on twitter.
Truck drivers and shipping operators are a dying industry that does nothing but create losses for shareholders and should honestly be replaced with robots
Seriously, check the stock of any shipping company. Nearly all of them have lost 90+% of their value decades ago, never recovered, and continue just forever sliding downwards.
One of the largest US freight companies YRCW's stock used to be ~$250,000/share. It's now $3.58/share
LOLOL You're a posing liar. Great preening though.
I realize that this is a touchy subject, but can we please agree that anyone who deliberately tunes their truck so that it will produce more pollution so that they can show off for other intelligence-challenged individuals should lose their reproductive rights? And preferably, their reproductive organs? As a diesel owner, they make me look bad. As a human, they make us all look bad. Plus, I like breathing, and they're spewing HCs which interfere with that.
Coal-rollers are the lowest form of vehicle owner.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I really don't get why they are writing "Juden" storefronts. What do they think that is going to accomplish?
I've been coal rolled just for walking on the sidewalk. Fuck anyone who feels the need to do this.
man, if only they could write, they could have just written a sign that says "tesla, when are we gonna get electrical trucks!?" and all this misjudgment could have been avoided ...
As a gun owner and concealed carry permit holder in Pennsylvania, you are completely wrong. Anything other than an immediate life-or-death situation is not a justification for brandishing weapons or threatening death. If I had a Tesla and someone was yelling at me while blocking the charging station, I'd leave the area and call the police regardless of if I was carrying or not.
Ever eat any food? Where'd it come from dumb fuck? Your entire urban existence is subsidized.
Stop talking, thank you e-tough who we all know is not. We know you.
We know you too, Anonymous Coward. Run along now, and play with the other cowards.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Beware of the person with a single firearm ... and keeps it a secret.
Maybe. If it's a big secret, how much range time is he getting?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I live in the Midwest, and one major supermarket has like a dozen Tesla charging stations. I have yet to see one EV use one, but I have seen plenty of people call them out as a waste on money and space. Most people who really need trucks to do work and haul stuff won't ever buy a Tesla pickup. Not because they don't embrace all electric. But I have not seen any argument that a Tesla pickup really can do what the others can.
"You also see it in rhetoric about who receives gov't social welfare benefits. They love to present the myth of them all being inner city and minority when the reality is that there are more rural whites receiving social welfare benefits than city minorities."
I have seen this tripe before, so, once again: Not as a percentage by race. Just because there are substantially more white people, the net number will be larger, but not the percentage.
Blacks 41.6%
Whites 13.2%
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html
Nah, he's right. Mental illnesses do actually exist, but deciding where to draw boundaries on them depends on the society in which they occur, and is related to the consensus over what's considered acceptable - which is a means to control who is listened to politically. Medicalization of dissent was a real thing under the USSR, because hey, what human being doesn't have the "simple empathy for other humans" to want Communism, right?
Anyhow, Leftists still talk like that, anti-guns tend to make laws that criminalize self-defense, anti-guns demand more gun laws even when the laws they demand already exist, etc.
So he's not wrong to be concerned about it.
"diagnosis of "mental illness" has been used to suppress political dissent by many different tyrannical regimes."
Some people are dangerous, unstable, and crazy regardless of who is in charge.
You're both right. And sometimes, someone dangerous, unstable, and crazy is in charge...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
And when you are unfriendly to regime, they decide you have new job, working in rock-breaking camp! Truly, glories of socialism are magnificent, comrade.
if the bros driving those trucks were real men they would have backed into the spaces. What sort of truck driving sissy parks a truck nose in?
They should all be driving Priuses.
Probably paid by El Mush to get some media attraction.
Instead of traitorous slime like Soros paying "protestors" and "instigators" there's some red-blooded Americans like Ford doing it.
And buffoons who block Telsa charging stations with pickup trucks only understand machoeize.
Calling the cops translates to "I'm scared and can't stand up for myself" in "machoeize". These buffoons see the law as macho, but those who call on the law do so because they are not macho.
The buffoons are challenging the Teslas to prove that a Telsa is macho. That Tesla owners are macho. That owning a Tesla is macho. Everything must be established as either macho, the "domain of men", or not macho.
Star Trek Discovery expressed it thusly, send them a "Vulcan Hello".
"...if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.” - Maxine Waters
"at a gasoline station"...hmmm? Maybe it isn't a good idea to incite that kind of activity.
Knuckle-dragging redneck blocks Tesla charging stall with his giant metallic penis extension.
Tesla owner makes call to MuskCorp customer services.
A few minutes later, a tungsten rod drops from orbit, straight through the engine block of the offending pickup. The sad wrecked remains of the pickup are then towed to the impound.
Do not fuck with the customers of a guy who has his own space program.
First intelligent/funny comment , congrats!
The spilling needs to hurry the fuck up. The less of you dumbass whiteys the better. You're dragging us ALL down, idiots.
It won't confuse anyone. An electric truck would have to be that big in order to have enough battery to do a full day's work for a regular truck.
Don't bother. I know his type. They think milk comes out of a milk carton, cereal comes out of a cereal box, and that it's possible to live in 70 degree comfort year round at 45 degrees north with solar panels and AA batteries.
Musk is nothing if not clever and audacious. I'm sure he's designing a whiz-bang death-ray module for the Tesla that will handle these yahoos quite well. Of course, the unintended consequences may get out of hand.
Anyone "Rolling Coal" should be drug from their vehicle and have the face smashed in with a claw hammer until the pea-sized piece of shit in their skull they call a brain is smooshed over a 100 square foot area.
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Are you suggesting that the quintessential Macho Tesla owner should just walk up to the dipshit's window and say GTFO? If not, please elaborate on how one should reply in kind to a diesel coal-blowing asshat.
Nearly all solar panel installations that don't have a battery are directly feeding the grid that everyone is pulling from. Do your research next time.
rolling coal at people is an assault
I don't understand why these folks are upset. Tesla's are made in America... so... jobs... and If EV's ever gain significant market share, the price of gas will plummet. They can fuel their trucks at rock bottom prices!
And didn't need a fucking bale out.
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I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
They aren't protesting anything. They are just being jackasses. I think the pickups should be crushed into little cubes. It would not particularly upset me if the owners were inside during the operation.
Ah, the good old "pressing arrangement"...
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Oh modded down, sorry, did I upset some jackass "I hate cities, I'm not sure why, but Daddy said urban places suck and are full of criminals" moderator?
Because fuck you if that's the case. You shitheads are literally why we can't have nice things in this country. You're why our taxes are through the roof yet we get virtually nothing in services. You're why everyone has to spend a third of their income on a little metal prison on wheels that we have to spend an hour or two a day in playing the fucking game of "Try not to get killed while keeping this thing between two white lines". Fuck you.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
This is true in every single country in the world. So what?
On what planet does this justify running down cities and preventing them from having their transportation needs met? You even admit yourself that urban people pay taxes - yet you seriously argue that only non-urban transportation should get adequate funding? REALLY?
Who argued there should be no rural roads?
Your entire rant at me is because I dared mention that we overspend on rural roads while we don't meet the needs of cities. You're pretending that this means I argued that all rural roads should be closed. Are you fucking kidding me? Are you seriously that fucking stupid?
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
This is utter stupidity. What are they thinking? Are they thinking that pickup trucks are going to become obsolete or somesuch nonsense? LOL, no, pickup trucks will remain a staple of transportation because of their utility. Let's see how upset these pickup truck owners are when Tesla or some company that comes later starts rolling out full-size plug-in electric pickup trucks that have more horsepower than even the largest V8 ICE pickup truck has right now? That they can then have a high-capacity charging post installed at their house and not ever have to go to a gas station again? If they really want the roaring of a big internal-combustion engine to feel manly they can install a sound system to simulate it, I guess, but really, what's the problem? Nobody is going to take their trucks away from them. They can still have rifle racks in the back window and a Confederate flag flying from it all they want, huge offroad tires and jacked up all they want.
You deduced all that because I observed that we overspend on rural roads and that cities don't get their transportation needs met, huh?
I've lived in two countries, in both rural and non-rural areas. Policies that run down cities and force people to live outside of them are fucking stupid. People who demonize those who live in urban areas, such as the original poster, are part of the problem. You're part of the problem. YOU ARE WHY THE COST OF LIVING IS SKY HIGH IN THE UNITED STATES. Go fuck yourself.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I'm disappointed to see some support expressed here for these drooling morons. This is the right wing base in all its hideous glory. These pickup drivers deserve nothing but our disgust and contempt, and maybe a week in jail with nothing to read but math and science text books.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Wonder why the cost of food in Britain is about half the cost of the same food in the United States, despite the fact that the EU's "subsidies" to rural areas are nowhere near as extreme.
Oh, I know, it's because American subsidies are fucking stupid and are largely used to fund the lifestyles of white flighters, not to reduce the cost of food. People who live in cities don't generally benefit from the subsidies, in fact, between being taxed more than they would otherwise be, and their lack of services, those subsidies harm them.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I think that electric vehicles pose a very real threat to the jobs and the future of many rural Americans, who feel that their work depends on trucks, cars, vehicle repair, oil, oil equipment, coal, scrap yards, etc, etc.
That's just junk.
Cars have little to do with coal,
That is especially the case today, when Tesla has been publicizing the success of their SELF-DRIVING electric SEMI-trucks.
So? So has Ford. And a bunch of truck companies. Self driving vehicles are coming this is essentially inevitable and has nothing to do with vehicles being electric. All the major manufacturers are exploring the tech. So why target tesla?
They even have a standing order for HUNDREDS of these new trucks from Walmart, rural America's love/hate store/employer.
so why the anger at Tesla not Walmart?
Tesla says that in a convoy, they are more energy efficient than trains.
Smells like BS from Tesla to me.
Its a fundamental part of American culture, and it doesn't escape these people that Tesla's development poses a tangible threat to that way of life.
Rubbish. The inexorable march of technology, combined wit hcapitalism is the threat here and it's coming for good or ill. It's happening with or without Tesla, and I doubt tesla is affecting the overall timescale.
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No information how the situation was resolved.
Call the police, tow the trucks?
As for somebody yelling on your on the road: this is pretty much what road is for: for rage.
I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
I'm flattered you have such fantasies about me, twink.
Even in California, coal is producing the electricity those Tesla chargers are using. I doubt there are nearly as many Tesla owners living off-grid as there are truck owners. You buy a Tesla for appearances and to make a personal statement about yourself, not to help the planet. Folks that want to help the planet find better ways to do it than owning an expensive sports car.
I'm a Louisiana Redneck IT dude, and I think this "Rolling Coal" bullshit is just stupid, childish, counter-productive to even their own arguments, and just plain fukkin DUMB.
Us real Southernn men are sorry for all the low-class scumbags out there making us look bad...
Put out several inflatable women dolls by the entrance to the charging station. The rednecks will get distracted and stop blocking access to the station.
Which is mostly irrelevant since we don't yet produce enough solar power for it to make any difference. The fact is driving a Tesla adds to the demand for electricity and that extra demand almost always means more carbon being spewed into the atmosphere than the average truck does.
Time for Tesla drivers to park in front of Diesel pumps. Sucks since it'll affect me, but tit-for-tat bitches!
Because it's illegal under California Motor Vehicle Code 22511 and 22511.1.
Uh - no. Most expensive highways serve urban areas. They go THROUGH rural areas, in much the same way they serve suburbs while going THROUGH inner city neighborhoods.
Nope, it means less, as 100% of ices are less efficient than the current mix of electric production.
So many comments, and only one with the right answer.
Yes. And a well deserved mocking it is, too.
Teslas need electricity which, in coal country, is generated by coal fired power plants. Gas cars, on the other hand, run on out-of-state oil. In other words, more Teslas mean more coal jobs.
This is, on the other hand, a mildly counter-intuitive argument for why people in coal country who care about the environment should not currently buy Teslas.
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all of you libtards and deploribltards are going to learn to walk if you want a habitable world no cars planes boats .
Now theyre being the butt of those slurs, suddenly no longer so free speechy for it, are ya, moron?
Had Tesla been a company just focused on making a better car, it would have been one thing. Sure, pack in all the tech you want - built in navigation, connection to CarPlay/Android Auto, rearview cameras, steering controls, et al. (OTOH, Tesla is the only car that commercial towing companies refuse to handle, since impossible to access the engine should the battery die. That's the moronic concept about basing all operations on batteries, rather than allowing for mechanically accessing, say, the hood.) But Tesla coming out w/ self driving cars - a solution looking for a problem, since most people enjoy driving their cars - is one more of those 'disruptive forces' that just threatens the livelihood of truckers - one of the biggest employers in the country, while having little to give for it.
Yeah, over time, it's fine to assume that ultimately, self driving cars and trucks and planes and ships will be the norm, and that 50-100 years from now, no one will drive. However, to try and force that change now, which is what Musk, as well as companies like Uber and Lyft would love to do, only has major negative societal implications in terms of accelerating the hollowing out of the US, w/o having anything else to show for it.
It's a tesla charging station. Why would the owner of it want tesla owners to piss off you retarded redneck kidfucker??
Kill yourself, cuck.
Actually, there aren't substantially more larger white people. That's becoming less and less true each day. Non Hispanic whites account for 61%. So not substantially more people as you suggest.
Also where did you find that 13% number for whites. I didn't see that on the citation you listed. Only that 41% of the black population in any given month.
REI is in for sure then.
Ummm the Wikipedia article says you are wrong.
WhT?
Can you elaborate on why they are the reason housing cost so much? I'm not seeing the correlation.
The OP is a conservative.
Your mind === blown.
Kabooom.
When whose argument fails?
Their trucks likely cost just as much, if not more, than most Tesla's.
Your angle on the story is wrong, you are looking at it from a Tesla fanboy point of view. Go back and check the reddit thread, it's fake. They cropped the images to hide all the pumps that were open. This is manufactured outrage. There were 3 people taking up 2-3 pumps. Big fucking deal.
Why are you so scared of the past?
So you agree that more social welfare money is spent on rural whites? Because that is what he is saying, and it's true. Any cuts to social benefits hurt more rural white people than city minorities.
I know that guy - he's a weirdo who pretends he's hanging out with his sister even though she's nowhere to be seen.
EXACTLY! if they are made in the USA, didnt need a bailout, and dont suck ass.. why does GM/Chrysler and Ford SUCK?
Why do you need to get to number 7 before any of the "big three" even show up on the list?
If they were caught i front of "friends" who he pretends to be straight in front of. See Ted Haggard. The most desperate for pork whistle are those most vocally against "teh gayz".
Coal supporters are perfectly represented by these white trash. The sooner they lose their jobs the better. They wish to kill us indirectly by pollution so they deserve the same level of hate in return.
Remember them when Trump is gone and the GOP weakened.
Remember they despise logic, reason and anyone not white.
Remember they serve the Koch brothers.
Remember they oppose net neutrality.
Remember they approve of police brutality.
Remember they drink beer while supporting cannabis prohibition.
Remember they approve of lynching.
Remember everything they want done to you if you aren't Christian Taliban.
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And they're frankly a load of pussies. Ol bonespurs himself is an honorary hillbilly. Show the hillbilly a black skin and they're too busy crapping their pants that your empty hand is holding a nuke detonator or some shit.
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Stereotype much?
You might want to associate with others outside your personal echo chamber, I know several Tesla owners and they all have concealed carry permits.
I doubt it, at least until the uber-Troll-in-Chief goes off to prison and we stop ALLOWING the Republican faggots to gaslight the rest of America with their anti-science, anti-education, anti-law, anti-professional regime.
So you're half right, you just don't know how to point out the elephant in the room like it requires to be acknowledged and dealt with.
The absolute dip shitery in this MONUMENTAL.
Probably meaning âoegenerally a secretâ. Range goers rarely talk about firearms outside certain circles and most outsiders (ie, rest of the world) would never have an idea of the level of expertise involved. Firearms owners tend to prefer to keep it that way.
I'm a suburbanite and I've been driving a hybrid Camry since 2007 and I like it.
But I don't think that insulting these truck owners (or vice versa) is going to help anybody.
Screw that. I'm a suburbanite and I drive an F150. These guys are the same jackasses that terrorized all of the other kids in high school. Our society would be better off if we passed laws that made engaging in this kind of behavior punishable by permanently removing them from the gene pool.
But Tesla owners don't pay their fair share. They are freeloading on the roads using electricity which doesn't pay a road tax.
If you don't want Tesla stations blocked, then don't make premium parks Tesla stations. Put them at the far end of the car park and no-one will care, but when they're in prime positions, some people will object to others being able to buy privileges like a closer park. If you think that buying electric entitles you to privileges like this for your environmental sacrifice, you're part of the problem. Not everyone can afford, or is willing to go into debt for a Tesla.
They are blocking a parking place. If they wanted to be nasty they could:
Drop a case of screws in the charging spot.
Use a nail gun and drive a nail through a charging cable.
Take bolt cutters to charging cable.
Leave dead animals in charging spot.
Leave bear bait in a charging spot.
Pull the meter on the charging station and throw it in the river.
I'd say these people who do the real hard work in America are showing real restraint against mamby pampy Millennials and global warming alarmists. It wouldn't be hard to attack Tesla infrastructure because it has to be safe and not kill people who play with it. I bet vice grips to the end of the charging plug would do serious damage.
So take the roll coaling and the ICEing of your spots and wear them with a badge of honor, or alpha males will take it up a level.
Referring to the people doing the ICING. I'll ICE the ICErs.
My trucks got like 160k miles on it anyway. I could care less if it gets dented (again).
"Nah, he's right. Mental illnesses do actually exist, but deciding where to draw boundaries on them depends on the society in which they occur, and is related to the consensus over what's considered acceptable - which is a means to control who is listened to politically."
The fool claimed it was justifiable to murder people who blocked an entrance to telsa charger, because he felt that amounted to a threat to his life.
I don't think where we settle in a nuanced discussion on where to draw the line between bona fide mental illness and the politicization of mental illness is the issue.
"there are more rural whites receiving social welfare benefits than city minorities"
the net number [of rural whites] will be larger
Which is the very claim OP made, so why go on about "percentage by race?!" How is that relevant? It might be if the argument were about widespread racial discrimination in employment, but it isn't from the point of view of government expenditure, which was OP's point. So what actually is the point are you trying to make, what's your motivation here?
A small number of asshats behaving like asshats shouldn't be news. We're making far too big a deal out of this and giving the asshats far too much publicity. I'd put this up there with a situation like a handful of errant teenagers loitering around a gas station making it an unpleasant situation for motorists to gas up. People are, and will continue to be, douche bags. Someone will inevitably not like what you're doing with your life, how you spend your money, what your political affiliations are. Most folks will keep quiet and grumble to themselves, others will feel like they have to do something about it and thus express their douchebaggery in a more direct and confronting way. These idiots will eventually be bored with what they're doing and get on with their lives.
The battery in a 100D can deliver 300kW.
Where can I get a 300kW laser to mount on my Tesla?
Maybe they should become standard equipment.
Redneck isn't racist... neither is hillbilly. I am from the south and everyone uses them all the time. Many proudly say they are Rednecks because it also connotes a reckless abandonment for person safety in seeking an achievement.
I thought Mr Musk gave them flamethrowers?
I will admit my Father drives a Pickup but, he is a farmer he has his truck for Farm things, Like most farmers he will drive and repair his truck until it needs to be replaced. As such he also can't afford to own a car as well so my parents drive the farm truck into town to get food, banking ext. This may also surprise you but most farmers are very environmentally aware (after all one bad season or storm can make them loose the farm. so they combine trips. It is a forgone conclusion that your average farmer is not parking at a fast charger or "Rolling Coal" they are too busy for that sort of thing. Parking in these lanes is childish, but so is looking down at people who drive a truck out of pure necessity.
Guns and oversized 4X4s that spew plumes of black smoke are common possessions of people who want to express their dissatisfaction with their lives and their inability to live effectively. They seem to consider it to be effective to impose undesirable consequences on other people. Being in the way is a default action.
A chain and grappling hook could come in awfully handy to a Tesla driver
We visited Hickory a couple years back when we were searching for decent size towns with lakefront homes to retire to. Hickory used to be the furniture capital of the U.S., and pretty much all of that industry is now overseas, so the town has a lot of good stuff from back when it was still doing well. But, it has a lot of skilled workers w/o decent jobs. The first restaurant we had dinner at, we discussed this with our elderly waitress who told us that if we moved there and were cleaning our own house, or mowing our own lawn, we were doing it wrong because the labor is cheaply available.
So, just my speculation here, but I think what you're seeing is people protesting against what they see as wealthy people with things they can't really afford.
Just another day in Paradise
Neither of you morons know what socialism is.
Fuck em' if they can't adapt and find new work and yet still refuse to support UBI. Their jobs are about as useful as whale oil harvesting is today and yet they refuse to take a way out of their shit situation. Some people refuse to be helped, their opinions no longer matter at that point.
Jackasses who fail to realize that sugar in the gas tank then having them towed will be the gift that keeps on giving.
If EV and hybrid drivers would back off on the smug factor, the problem would go away. ...but given what I generally see from that crowd, the smugness will only grow and they will reap what they sew.
Awww, poor fragile little snowflake. What a pathetically sad and sorry existence you lead.
Also, oil is a fungible commodity that funds people that kill US troops.
Oil is treason.
Have you priced pickup trucks like the ones from the picture lately? They're not exactly cheap vehicles and are largely bought by people who have no need for them just to be used as a status symbol. This is just hypocritical. Also, even when the power is generated by coal, the power is generated in a large, central power station, so the generation is a lot more efficient than the small, portable engine in a truck. Power transmission and conversion losses are pretty negligible these days, and also the EV uses power a lot more efficiently than the truck engine. Oh, yeah, the truck is dragging around at least 50% more weight than the EV (usually just to go commute to work and go to the supermarket and so forth). Oh, also, if we're going back in the supply chain, you can't just count the diesel burned in the truck engine, you also have to count all of the emissions from making the diesel from crude oil in the first place. So, no, the EV does not have more carbon emissions than the diesel truck. Not by a long shot, really.
you can be easily killed in moments with simple chinese takeout chopsticks, 1 set, in at least 30 ways off the top of my head.
Go on then. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume these 30 'ways' are all actually variations on stabbing. So what, through the ear, nose, eyes, maybe throat. I don't think a chopstick will go through a rib cage, well maybe if you do it right but probably not consistently. So come on then 20+ more 'ways'? Don't forget the within moments part.
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No. Ridiculous. Power plants are a lot more efficient than individual truck engines (it's a simple matter of scale). Power transmission is highly efficient. EVs are much more efficient with power than ICEs. You're also comparing trucks to smaller vehicles that need less power in the first place. Also, large power plants burning, for example, coal require a lot less refining of their fuel to start with, so there are a lot more emissions to generate the fuel for the truck than there are to generate the fuel for the power plant. Also, the power grid doesn't have the additional emissions from a bunch of tanker trucks driving many tons of fuel around to gas stations. With all the factors taken together, your assertion is simply ridiculous.
Why don't you just spend your money on a penis enlargement instead?
Ugh, This crap again. Just, no! Centralizing power production means that power is generated in highly efficient central power station rather than in millions of individual, inefficient engines. Power losses through the grid are pretty negligible. The distribution networks for fuel for ICE trucks produces lots of emissions. EVs are also a lot more efficient than ICE trucks, so they're not using anywhere near as much power per unit of mass to move. Also, you're comparing EV sedans to trucks, which are more massive, so the ICE trucks use even more power. The fuel for the power station also doesn't require as much refinement (and hence, emissions) as the fuel for the power plant, even if it uses coal.
Also, people buying trucks are almost always buying them for appearances and to make a personal statement about themselves. Almost none of the trucks I ever see are being used to get work done. They're usually just commuter vehicles.
Given how many charging stations are paid with public tax money - I'm quite all right with tax payers blocking chargers and preventing their tax money from being wasted on some asshole's car.
Don't forget that Teslas are partially paid for with our tax money, and those chargers are also subsidized with our tax money, for a service almost no one can use.
Tesla owners deserve everything they get.
Didn't some car manufacturers get a massive taxpayer bailout not too long ago?
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Taunting and shitting on people is part of their culture, as is making enemies. They don't need a reason other than that you're "not them". If you've ever interacted with this type, you know exactly what I mean. Part of their culture is to categorize people into "us vs. them", so that they demonstrate their loyalty to "us" by shitting on "them".
Simply put, they're a bit farther behind on the evolutionary timeline. Like the lesser animals, physical force and disrespect to others is the way to get ahead.
Wonder why the cost of food in Britain is about half the cost of the same food in the United States, despite the fact that the EU's "subsidies" to non-urban areas are nowhere near as extreme.
Oh, I know, it's because American subsidies are fucking stupid and are largely used to fund the lifestyles of white flighters, not to reduce the cost of food. People who live in cities don't generally benefit from the subsidies, in fact, between being taxed more than they would otherwise be, and their lack of services, those subsidies harm them.
Where does your food come from? Not the fucking subsidized suburbs, you dumb fuck.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Did I really just read someone claim CITIES SHOULD BE DEPRIVED OF INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY PAY TAXES JUST LIKE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF CITIES?
And did someone really mod that shit up?
You anti-city people are nutcases. Complete and utter nutcases. You're so wedded to your "pro-country" tribalism that you actually believe people should be punished for not living in it. Guess what? The major reason why we have a deficit right now is that traditionally cities have subsidized the suburbs and rural areas, BUT YOU'VE MADE CITIES SO SHITTY TO LIVE IN BY SUCKING THEM DRY that hardly anyone lives in cities in the US now.
So, more debt, higher cost of living, people forced to live shittier lives, and all because of your tribal "Must take sides, cityfolk suck, unlike suburban people" jackassary.
You are a horrible person. I hope you die soon.
You deduced all that because I observed that we overspend on rural roads and that cities don't get their transportation needs met, huh?
Want to explain the logic? Oh, you can't? Because you're projecting so far you've disappeared up your asshole? It's kinda weird, I've never seen a city advocate complain about people who live outside of cities, but I'm always coming across suburban idiots, like you, who think they're "rural", despite the fact they've never been within one mile of a cow they weren't passing at 70mph.
I've lived in two countries, in both rural and non-rural areas. Policies that run down cities and force people to live outside of them are fucking stupid. People who demonize those who live in urban areas, such as the original poster, are part of the problem. You're part of the problem. YOU ARE WHY THE COST OF LIVING IS SKY HIGH IN THE UNITED STATES. Go fuck yourself you stupid scumbag.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
ITT: idiot hillbillies that think redneck means something conservative originally. Look it up, you dipshits.
I think the pickups should be crushed into little cubes.
Now your cube is illegally parked, you have thirty minutes to move your cube.
But theyâ(TM)re not driving trucks, so theyâ(TM)re causing basically no road wear and tear.
Part of the bizarreness here is listening to people talk "rural" and pretend it's farms and stuff, when actually "rural" in the US means "Non-urban". You're saying you're a suburbanite? Congrats, you probably live in a similar neighborhood to the pick up drivers under discussion. You really think they live on farms?
Your plumber, your house painter, your AC guy, they're not living on farms, they're living in places like the one you live in. And that goes for the jackasses hogging charger stations too. Yes, those people doing it are jackasses. They don't have economic anxiety, they're doing it to own the libs (which is ironic, I'll get to why in a moment) not to strike a blow for fair wages and more jobs.
The reason these particular jackasses think of themselves as "rural" and (by-and-large conservative, suburban) Tesla owners as "city" (which is ridiculous) is because of the bizarre identity politics being perpetuated by the culture warriors. They think their "lifestyles" are under threat from "liberals", because that's what Fox News tells them, and they think liberals drive Teslas.
Which we don't. 60% of Tesla owners are conservative, which is what you'd expect because they're expensive and their chief salesperson lives in a different world from that of most liberals, constantly belittling walkable communities and advocates for that, and treating poverty and poor working conditions as if they don't exist.
The number of rural Americans is tiny. Most are suburban. A minority is urban. Most suburbs exist because of "White Flight" during the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, which has colored the politics of those areas. Most wouldn't want to admit in a million years that their parents moved to an artificial, poorly thought out, shit hole, because they were frightened of black people, so they cling on to this myth that they live in a "natural", "rural", part of the world that's somehow better than urban living despite being completely unnatural and unusual by historical human standards. And culture warriors like to take advantage of this. And because a handful of every group are assholes, the assholes take it too far, and try to run homeless cyclists off the road (I've seen this), or, less evilly but still obnoxiously, prevent people they think are "bad" by the standards of the culture warriors from being able to do what they want.
The only funny part of this is that they're more likely to end up blocking the Tucker Carlsons of this world than the Keith Olbermanns, so in some ways it's a tremendous self own. And means you're right in an ironic way, because I think most of the problems in the US right now can be traced to people who promote culture wars and who harness racism and other prejudices to pit people against one another, and that fits the Carlsons of this world.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
I live in South Carolina... and I sometimes drive a 3/4 ton Diesel 4x4 Pickup, because it is a necessary tool to manage my small 10 acre farm.
Let me be the first to say that so-called "Brodozers," those obnoxiously outfitted toys of over-privileged Clemson students and unproductive hillbillies, are a huge problem.
Farming is not a full-time occupation for me (I'm an engineer full time), but I think I speak for most people who own diesel pickups for the right reasons when I say, "these people are idiots, every last one of them." We should be embracing technology like electric vehicles for applications where they make sense. For urban areas, electric cars are a fantastic solution to a local problem. Out here in the country, they have comparatively less usefulness.
There is no questioning the leaping advances Tesla has made to the use of batteries in vehicles. No questioning whatsoever. There is also no questioning that EVs are a great solution to urban air pollution. One day even my farm truck might be replaced by an EV, which would not necessarily be a bad thing as long as it has the capability. Plus, the sooner I can stop worrying about cleaning DPFs and pouring fuel out of my exhaust for active regeneration cycles and constalty-failing EGR coolers, and other problems with modern diesel emissions, the better. (These idiots break federal law and remove their emissions controls, because they don't care about our environment at all, and don't worry about the true cost of responsible diesel vehicle ownership).
So why don't they just go to another fueling station in town? With Range Anxiety being a myth, I'm sure there's tons of chargers in all parts of the middle of nowhere.
>>I've never seen a city advocate complain about people who live outside of cities
Yeah, that's bullshit, alright. Cityfags constantly mock, belittle, and bitch about "rural and suburban sister-fucking retarded backwards racist redneck hicks." Screeching like an autistic idiot when someone points this out is beyond pathetic and hypocritical.
>>YOU ARE WHY THE COST OF LIVING IS SKY HIGH IN THE UNITED STATES
No, you choose to live in a city, which will always be more expensive due to the basic functions of supply and demand. Take your head out of your ass and get off your high horse.
I'm a leftist that even to left of Bennie Sanders and I own a number of firearms. Not all gun nuts are right wingers. There's plenty of us on the left that are gun owners too.
Which as an aside, a right-wing myth is in play with the gov't shutdown as well, which is the right-wing pushes the narrative that almost all gov't employees are democrats that are leaching off their tax dollars when the reality is the gov't employees are split much in the same proportions as the rest of the country, about 30% republican, about 30% democrat, and the rest independents.
In light of the recent shutdown & statements by our stable genius propagating the above mentioned myth, I'm wondering whether many life long republican government employees impacted by the shutdown have decided that perhaps they have been drinking Kool-Aid all this time.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that they should all convert to being Democrats. That's entirely up to them. But I am wondering whether they'll acknowledge that their ring-wing pundits & politicians are just full of it.
This is bullshit. _I_ have lived in cities and never said anything of the sort. And most of the people who I have heard call people "racist redneck hicks" actually live... in the suburbs. And they're not saying every non-urban person is a racist redneck hick because that'd mean they're calling themselves that, you stupid twat.
No, I don't. I want to live in a city, but YOU STUPID FUCKS have made living in a city in the US completely impossible. The cities have been intentionally run down, with suburban planning rules enforced in the centers, and their transportation systems and infrastructure underfunded.
Moreover, you're not addressing the point. The cost of living is sky high in the US, and it's because fuckers like you insist that the suburbs need massive subsidies. The result is that taxes are high throughout the US, massive resources are spent providing infrastructure to the suburbs, and most people end up finding the suburbs are the only place they can live thanks to subsidies that make it cheaper than than the cities, and because with infrastructure broken in most cities, they're completely clogged with traffic.
This is completely fucked up, and pretending that it's A-OK because you once heard someone who you think lives in a city, but probably doesn't, call someone else a racist hick shows how out of touch and part of the problem you are.
You are the problem. You are why the cost of living is so high. Fuck you.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
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You deduced all that because I observed that we overspend on rural roads and that cities don't get their transportation needs met, huh?
Want to explain the logic? Oh, you can't? Because you're projecting so far you've disappeared up your asshole? It's kinda weird, I've never seen a city advocate complain about people who live outside of cities, but I'm always coming across suburban idiots, like you, who think they're "rural", despite the fact they've never been within one mile of a cow they weren't passing at 70mph.
I've lived in two countries, in both rural and non-rural areas. Policies that run down cities and force people to live outside of them are fucking stupid. People who demonize those who live in urban areas, such as the original poster, are part of the problem. You're part of the problem. YOU ARE WHY THE COST OF LIVING IS SKY HIGH IN THE UNITED STATES. Go fuck yourself you stupid scumbag.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Seriously, what a bunch of losers.
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I want an electric pickup because I want an American made truck that doesn't run on foreign oil.
Extra points if it comes with a gun rack. Even more points if it is easily cusomizable.
What else is more American?
"I don't see any reason to be so personal or vengeful on the attacks."
You appear not to understand White Trash. (I'm white and have no problem with that frequently accurate term.) They are primitive vicious human garbage on a good day. The term isn't an accident.
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Putting a good suit on a Deplorable gives you... a stylish Deplorable.
It really makes no difference how expensive the vehicles were, what the license plate holders said, or what stickers were (or were not) found decorating the vehicle.
A-holes drive Bentleys too. So what?
The only way to reduce crime and restore human honor is stop fearing death.
Stop treating your life as your highest comodity. You will lose. 100% of you
What matters is _how_ you lived. Never give up a single penny for the fear of your life, the life of your mother or your child. Never give up to a terrorist that tells you "plata o plomo".
Eat the plomo, die with honor. Let him take the plata at the price of your life. That will mean that much more law enforcement will go after him and overall there will be much fewer apes trying to rob you.
There are people around the world that live like that.
You do not have to live like sheep.
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It is very clear who is the assole here. The assole truck driver is not paying his fair share for all the carbon he is putting into the air which the tesla owner will land up paying for. So i guess we are even.
Keep that magic thinking going buddy.
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