We also know that a segment of the population, given the option to do nothing WILL DO NOTHING.
So, all that's been created is an incentive not to achieve anything.
It's NOT just another welfare program. The intention of most UBI backers is for it to replace the patchwork of social programs, and thus reduce cost to the government.
True, some segment of the population will always do nothing. Those who do will have barely enough to get alone under most UBI designs. That doesn't make it bad for the vast majority who actually would do something, as has been shown in several studies...google it.
10 years, HAH. The tax giveaways to corporations are so extreme that in order to keep under the 1 trillion dollar/10-year limit, the personal tax cuts expire after only 5 years.
Yeah, they're "so extreme" as to reduce what was some of the highest corporate taxes in the world. Get a grip. The only reason the personal cuts expire is because of reconciliation rules.
Godwin much? Please point to gas chambers. Your childish statement dishonors those who fought them, those who died, and trivializes the real seriousness of Nazism. Please grow up.
Not a chance of that when you factor in the additional national debt service cost , to be paid by you and/or your children.
Obama increased the national debt by over $9T, and you're going to whine about $1.5T that most likely won't even happen when the growth rate gets above a normal 3%? Were you complaining about the $9T before, or are you just a left wing shill?
Only because that was the only way to get the bill passed, due to congressional rules. The right would love to make the tax changes permanent, and the left just wants to play it off as temporary, which is bullshit.
No, this is incorrect. All you have to do is look at the periodic insider transactions. He had an option to sell at a set price, and it went as an automatic transaction. Yes, it was a much larger number of shares than his usual, but hardly "all of his stock". And if you scroll through these transactions, you'll see that all officers make frequent automatic transactions...it's part of their compensation package. https://finance.yahoo.com/quot...
That's all fine and good if your name is Steve Jobs. But if you're attempting to market something off of the back of the Steve Jobs that we all knew, that's simply fraudulent, and should not be allowed.
I get the comparison someone else made regarding Tesla, and see the point, but I think it's pretty clear that Mr.Tesla wasn't backing the vehicles. Maybe put a time limit...like 25 years after the person passed away, the name becomes fair game. In the case of Jobs, it's just too soon.
So, the response from Americans likely had a lot of people who weren't alive 50 yrs ago. I was 9 back then, so let me help you. It was 1967
1. We were in a hugely unpopular war in Vietnam. 2. There were race riots in the streets of Detroit...I lived there 3. Most people had 3-5 channels of black and white TV that typically ended around midnight. 4. Few people places air conditioning 5. Home telephones typically had "party lines"...you shared your number with neighbors and took turns. 6. There were no ATMs, grocery scanners, cell phones, personal computers, or even calculators. 7. Only about 50% of people completed high school...you can check census facts. Less than 20% had a 4 yr degree 8. Life expectancy was 14 years lower
I would argue that families were more tight knit back then, but other than that, if you think you're not better off today, you'll have to come up with some facts to back it up.
For anything less than an 8 hr drive, I typically do the same. I'll be there a couple hours later, but save the flight expense, baggage fees, and destination rental vehicle cost.
.... I don't really think that it is something that anyone has any sort of inviolable right to when they are in a public place.
I'd generally agree however I also don't think anyone has the right to constantly monitor us in public places, because there will come a time when it really is constant monitoring. There needs to be some limits.
I'd be fine with making them fair and competitive if you can find a way for them to not need to all run wires through my front lawn. It already gets painted every time someone down the street needs work or digs a hole...gas, water, cable and phone companies, seems like my lawn is every color but green.
How does preventing ISPs from blocking and throttling content benefit only Republicans and not Democrats? Doesn't make sense.
It doesn't, but Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon's lobbyists have been contributing to all of the Rs. And for what it's worth, I've been a lifelong R, who finds the whole lobbying thing revolting.
Unless there is a fair competitive marketplace you do need regulation. Currently, you can't start a business and run fiber to peoples homes. The only competition is satellite, which most don't find acceptable due to latency, and 4G, which doesn't cut it. More than 50 million homes have only a single broadband provider available. So these are local monopolies w/o competition. They are virtual utilities and need to be regulated as such.
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This program is neither universal or basic.
It's simply another welfare program.
And the money has to come from SOMEWHERE.
We also know that a segment of the population, given the option to do nothing WILL DO NOTHING.
So, all that's been created is an incentive not to achieve anything.
It's NOT just another welfare program. The intention of most UBI backers is for it to replace the patchwork of social programs, and thus reduce cost to the government.
True, some segment of the population will always do nothing. Those who do will have barely enough to get alone under most UBI designs. That doesn't make it bad for the vast majority who actually would do something, as has been shown in several studies...google it.
10 years, HAH. The tax giveaways to corporations are so extreme that in order to keep under the 1 trillion dollar/10-year limit, the personal tax cuts expire after only 5 years.
Yeah, they're "so extreme" as to reduce what was some of the highest corporate taxes in the world. Get a grip. The only reason the personal cuts expire is because of reconciliation rules.
Godwin much? Please point to gas chambers. Your childish statement dishonors those who fought them, those who died, and trivializes the real seriousness of Nazism. Please grow up.
I'm pretty sure my best case is I'll break even,
Not a chance of that when you factor in the additional national debt service cost , to be paid by you and/or your children.
Obama increased the national debt by over $9T, and you're going to whine about $1.5T that most likely won't even happen when the growth rate gets above a normal 3%? Were you complaining about the $9T before, or are you just a left wing shill?
For a few years, then your taxes will creep up.
Only because that was the only way to get the bill passed, due to congressional rules. The right would love to make the tax changes permanent, and the left just wants to play it off as temporary, which is bullshit.
No, this is incorrect. All you have to do is look at the periodic insider transactions. He had an option to sell at a set price, and it went as an automatic transaction. Yes, it was a much larger number of shares than his usual, but hardly "all of his stock". And if you scroll through these transactions, you'll see that all officers make frequent automatic transactions...it's part of their compensation package.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quot...
Wow! I actually want to write that down.
That's all fine and good if your name is Steve Jobs. But if you're attempting to market something off of the back of the Steve Jobs that we all knew, that's simply fraudulent, and should not be allowed.
I get the comparison someone else made regarding Tesla, and see the point, but I think it's pretty clear that Mr.Tesla wasn't backing the vehicles. Maybe put a time limit...like 25 years after the person passed away, the name becomes fair game. In the case of Jobs, it's just too soon.
And, FWIW, I'm no fanboi
Strom has the nicest gym I've ever laid eyes on. If you ever get to Columbia, SC, check it out at the Univ. of S.C.
Oh, come on guys, give up some points. 2 for 2...bravo sir.
Isn't loner already covered?
Please define how you mean "better lives". I lived there for six years, and you've got precious few things better IMO.
So, the response from Americans likely had a lot of people who weren't alive 50 yrs ago. I was 9 back then, so let me help you. It was 1967
1. We were in a hugely unpopular war in Vietnam.
2. There were race riots in the streets of Detroit...I lived there
3. Most people had 3-5 channels of black and white TV that typically ended around midnight.
4. Few people places air conditioning
5. Home telephones typically had "party lines"...you shared your number with neighbors and took turns.
6. There were no ATMs, grocery scanners, cell phones, personal computers, or even calculators.
7. Only about 50% of people completed high school...you can check census facts. Less than 20% had a 4 yr degree
8. Life expectancy was 14 years lower
I would argue that families were more tight knit back then, but other than that, if you think you're not better off today, you'll have to come up with some facts to back it up.
Wise people don't answer surveys. That explains these stupid findings.
For anything less than an 8 hr drive, I typically do the same. I'll be there a couple hours later, but save the flight expense, baggage fees, and destination rental vehicle cost.
.... I don't really think that it is something that anyone has any sort of inviolable right to when they are in a public place.
I'd generally agree however I also don't think anyone has the right to constantly monitor us in public places, because there will come a time when it really is constant monitoring. There needs to be some limits.
So, when they can no longer use KY, what lube will they switch to?
The Eiffel Tower was a gift to France from the USA.
Go back to school and ask them for a refund.
I'd be fine with making them fair and competitive if you can find a way for them to not need to all run wires through my front lawn. It already gets painted every time someone down the street needs work or digs a hole...gas, water, cable and phone companies, seems like my lawn is every color but green.
All markets matter!
"That's irrelevant."
If you believe that, then you're uninformed or a flat out moron.
"When average Americans start to realize how disgustingly expensive this new tax plan is going to be for them,..."
We'll all see how things pan out over the next year as this tax plan is implemented. Vote with your wallet.
The last time Tenn voted more than 50% for a D president was in 76 when Gerald Ford was hated for pardoning Nixon.
How does preventing ISPs from blocking and throttling content benefit only Republicans and not Democrats? Doesn't make sense.
It doesn't, but Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon's lobbyists have been contributing to all of the Rs. And for what it's worth, I've been a lifelong R, who finds the whole lobbying thing revolting.
"We don't need ISP to be regulated as utilities"
Unless there is a fair competitive marketplace you do need regulation. Currently, you can't start a business and run fiber to peoples homes. The only competition is satellite, which most don't find acceptable due to latency, and 4G, which doesn't cut it. More than 50 million homes have only a single broadband provider available. So these are local monopolies w/o competition. They are virtual utilities and need to be regulated as such.
"It wasn't until they turned over to private corps, that it started to go downhill."
You might want to have a talk with the folks at BBN (now Raytheon), without whom your post here wouldn't exist.