Gosh! Next you'll be telling me that when the price of something like gas goes up, people respond by purchasing less of it by doing things like telework in order to avoid having to buy it!
People change their habits when prices rise? Next you'll be telling me that the "peak oil" people are full of it and that people won't keep using the same amount of oil products for all the same things until the oil suddenly runs out one day.
Gee, I wish there was some alternative to just running out of gas...
Can't you tell that TFA was written by someone with "good intentions" on the "correct side of the issue" and thus musn't be looked at critically, instead accepted as the true gospel without any thought?
In all seriousness, the article itself reminds me of the phrase "damning with faint praise". I mean, this is what the fearmongers come up with as their best counter arguments?
At this point in time, WEP is more like the lock on your bathroom door. Fine to let people know that you don't want visitors, but not really designed to keep anyone out who wants to get in.
WPA is more like a front-door with a keylock and a deadbolt. Someone could break in, but they'd have to at least take a little more trouble than pulling a coin out of their pocket like you can do with "interior" locks.
If it's something you need to be secure, then yeah, you should be running encrypted traffic over a physically secure wired connection, not broadcasting everything to the neighborhood.
No, financially (free license, identical environments for support, easier management of older used hardware) and technically (much easier to lock down and secure from 12 year olds) motivated, not politically motivated.
This is a K-8. The specific kids in question will be looking for a job in 2013 at the very earliest. Somehow I doubt MS Office experience specific to five years earlier is going to mean a whole lot. They'll have plenty of time to get used to whatever will be later commonly in use in HS and college.
For example, when I was seeking employment, knowing assembly for 8 bit processors, versions of Basic for Commodore, TRS-80, TI-99-4/a, and Apple II, all of which I learned before being High School age, was completely useless for any type of work if you are talking about the specific languages, but very useful if you are talking about having the concepts understood ahead of time. Even the hardware in use was radically different just a few years later.
Again, the point isn't to "learn" open office, or MS office, or whatever. The point is to create a document or whatever the result is. When just the license cost for Office and Windows, even with academic volume licensing, is more than you can buy four used computers for, I think we'd rather have more computers to go around, thanks anyway. Or were you offering to pick up the tab?
You said students won't be able to do anything useful with them? Why? (Teacher's not using them is irrelevent, since they aren't for teacher use at all) You don't think students will be able to accomplish the listed tasks? That wasn't the most specific of criticisms.
I didn't need to, because since my Theater equipment was already at the "hub" of the cable plant, but I'm pretty sure that with some careful planning and knowledge of what frequency ranges you needed for what you could feed it all through.
I say that because I do know that you can backfeed various combinations of cable/satellite/over the air broadcasts in different directions over the same RG6 cable as long as you pay attention to the frequency ranges they use and use the right combiners/filters.
The only issue I ran into is that I didn't have a digital coax output on my receiver that switched signals for me, so I had to buy a $20 fiber to digital coax converter box from monoprice.com.
You sound like you have a lot of reasonable criticism of the typical solutions, so I'll pose my solution to you and see if you can find some flaws for me to consider.
Since I won't be implementing it for a few more months, I can still afford to make changes. Even then, I just need my required building design changes by that point. I have more time for the software planning.
1. All student-use computers are physically located in properly cooled closets next to the classrooms they serve. Monitor, keyboards and mice are available for use on the classroom wall/countertop next to those closets. So, no easy physical access to the stripped down computer itself.
2. All students login to their LDAP account with all non-OS storage on a central NAS. This means it doesn't matter which particular computer a student is using, their environment is the same. Computers are interchangeable, as they just need the basic OS and network connection. Student computers can thus also be wiped/replaced at any time with no data loss.
3. Student computers run Multi-Seat X so that more than one student can have a kb/mouse/monitor at a time per physical computer.
4. Students only use free software products. Computers are for use as a tool, i.e. recording research results in DB/spreadsheet, writing papers, scheduling w/teachers, emails, doing research on white-listed sites through a proxy server (basically, a site must be listed by a teacher as a curriculum resource before being allowed. Easy since all online academic resources will be stored in a DB as part of the records system anyway) with the use of the proxy server enforced at the network level.
5. No Microsoft products in use, including OSes.
6. Students with a computer at home may connect to their student environment from home as well, but they're allowed to mess that computer up because the school doesn't have to fix it.
See any flaws that I missed?
I've convinced the rest of the School Board that technology should be learned as a tool to use for something else that makes it necessary, like writing a paper, not as an end in and of itself.
My favorite trick is that with the right adapter you can use the cable TV coax already throughout your house as digital coax. That will generally get digital audio piped from one source to any device in your house that accepts a surround sound input.
Pre-existing cables and a couple of $70 Theater in a boxes (for the amps inside and the multiple speakers to scatter about the house) with that solution gave me whole house audio sourced from the one expensive tuner (Denon 3806) that runs my real theater, which of course was already tied into my PC/MP3 storage.
It's nice to be able to play surround sound from your computer to anywhere in the house without having to run cables between floors or anything.
Thanks to everyone for all the links and suggestions. I've found a lot of the Multiseat X stuff since this was originally submitted 20 days ago, but I still missed 50% of the material various people have suggested as options and really value the responses and offers of help from people who've actually already done something similar.
No, instead, since you have a first trust deed mortgage on a property with value that exceeds what they owe you, even with interest included, you notify them that they are in default, then 90 days later if they haven't paid you foreclose and sell the property, using the proceeds to pay yourself off. Nobody named Bruno necessary.
These are bridge loans to developers waiting to get their commercial financing, not money for people to pay gambling debts. In the hundreds of deals I am familiar with (I see a lot more than I participate in), most go late a little, but I've never seen a single one go all the way to foreclosure, since as long as the loan-to-value ratio is good enough to start with, the borrower would lose even more money if they let you have the property.
Also, its a fairly small community of lenders and developer borrowers, so most deals are done between people who have done deals before through that same broker.
I don't want to promote anyone in particular on/., but if you want to email me, I can give you some brokers that specialized in hard money deals. You do need available cash, or a way to get it quickly, like a HELOC.
I've never paid a title company any fees to do a deal. The interest all goes to the investor, while the broker just charges points on the deal to the borrower, just like most any other mortgage. If some company is trying to charge you fees as an investor, then yeah, that's not a company you want to deal with.
If a developer can make 45% on a property if he can get hard money NOW to buy or develop it, then wait for his conventional financing in 60-90 days in order to pay off his hard money loan, why should I cry for him that he's only going to make 39% instead on his deal (3 months @ 24% = 6%) since I helped him make it all happen?
Its not like loaning money to consumers who aren't making anything on the deal and can't pay it off.
Hard Money lending. Generally a minimum $50K investment, but returns a minimum 24%, in my experience averages closer to 30% once they go late and start paying 2%/month late fees on top of the interest. (Most people underestimate how long its going to take them to get their conventional commercial financing.)
Since a title company handles it all and insures the title, you get a first position mortgage (trust deed) recorded and shouldn't loan on anything higher than a 75% loan-to-value ratio, its also much less risky than most stock market investments.
Staffers who work at the White House and also for the RNC and Bush's campaign have a potential conflict. The Presidential Records Act requires them to only use government email for White House work, but the Hatch Act requires them to never use government email for anything campaign or fundraising related.
There are no personal consequences in the law for violating the Presidential Records Act, but you can get a big personal fine or go to jail for violating the Hatch Act.
If there is any question of whether an email is going to violate the Hatch Act and be campaign or fundraising related, then how many people are going to risk jail in order to also follow the Presidential Records Act? Yeah, almost everyone is going to err on the side of following the Hatch Act and ignoring the Presidential Records Act if there is a conflict.
Now when you've got a Blackberry (which they were all issued by the RNC) and are using that to talk to other people in the White House about campaign/fundraising issues, when you need to communicate with those same people about something else, how many real people are going to bother to wait until they can get to their government email account and how many are going to just hit reply on the Blackberry?
Sounds to me like this is just human nature and some badly written laws coming together.
The decision itself basically said that sirst, Massachusetts as a State has special standing to pursue the case, second, Greenhouse gases could fall under the EPAs mandate, therefore the EPA needs to issue a ruling with a reason why they aren't regulating them or how they're going to regulate them.
The first part seemed to be crafted by the Liberals on the court in order to let them rule on the second part, since otherwise the case should have just been thrown out on procedural grounds. The majority five didn't actually give a legal reason for that part of the ruling, which is completely torn apart in Robert's four-justice dissent.
The second part doesn't require the EPA to regulate greenhouse gasses, or if they do regulate it, to regulate it in a manner that would change anyone's actions. All it did was tell the EPA administrator to issue a ruling and include some reasons, the ruling didn't say that any court has jurisdiction to agree or disagree with whatever the EPA decides. Based on the court case argument and side the EPA took, the EPA will presumably either decide that greenhouse gasses aren't pollutants and therefore won't be regulated by the EPA, or else they'll do a face-saving manuever and decide that they are, then set the regulations up so that no one will every have to change anything to comply with them.
Either way, the case is meaningless, except to create a rule that the EPA has to issue an opinion every time someone asks them for one, a point made in Scalia's four-justice dissent.
As far as the article summary of the result, as usual its almost totally wrong and makes it appear that the author didn't even bother to read the actual majority and dissenting opinions published by the court.
One thing to note is that they followed this same install-then-turn-on-common-services approach with all the OSes.
For example, the result after they did that on FreeBSD 6.2 was "None of the service binaries exhibited any vulnerabilities to remote exploits."
So while its not a valid part of a "default-install-only" test, it is an interesting benchmark of what if you then run some common services.
In general, however, you're right, there are methodology changes they could have made to make the testing much more useful to a real person considering an OS.
Try out the portupgrade set of tools, I think you'll like them. They're now pretty "standard" to use for installing and upgrading FreeBSD ports and simplify everything you'd commonly do with a FreeBSD port.
portupgrade -rR apache (or whatever) works really well for ensuring dependencies, correctly compatible versions, etc... If you don't specify the version it picks the lates for the major version you have installed or else it asks which version you want, etc...
Maybe they should also have compared those two boxes to what people who like HD actually use to record it with, a Dishnetwork VIP-622 DVR? Apparently it escaped their attention that people who have to have HD (you know, the guys with 100"+ HD screens who now hate anything in SD) tend to go with the provider that has by far the most HD and has had an HD DVR the longest.
Being the third generation of HD DVR for Dishnetwork (previously having provided the 921 and 943) and having been out for over a year, you'd think they'd have heard of it? Maybe once they've worked the bugs out of the Tivo series 3 and the DirecTV and cable boxes you would want to compare them, but right now the 622 is the easy winner.
[blockquote]Katherine Harris reprogrammed the machines in Democratic leaning districts[/blockquote]
Are you sure you understand how elections are run in Florida? I'm not sure which exact election you're talking about, as Katherine Harris hasn't been Secretary of State in Florida for years now, but in any case, Democratic leaning districts elect primarily Democrats to run their County Elections Board and it's the County Elections Board that is in charge of ensuring that the local voting machinery is properly setup.
In short, your allegation doesn't appear on the face of it to make any sense at all.
I was looking more for something that would actually remove the tag from the list of tags, giving people a chance to clean up the list, not to add additional useless tags....
Speaking of/., it'd be nice if someone would implement negative tags so that the community can remove obviously inappropriate tags. Something like using -itsatrap would work nicely.
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Gosh! Next you'll be telling me that when the price of something like gas goes up, people respond by purchasing less of it by doing things like telework in order to avoid having to buy it!
People change their habits when prices rise? Next you'll be telling me that the "peak oil" people are full of it and that people won't keep using the same amount of oil products for all the same things until the oil suddenly runs out one day.
Gee, I wish there was some alternative to just running out of gas...
Shhhhhhh!!!!! Stop disturbing the consensus!
Can't you tell that TFA was written by someone with "good intentions" on the "correct side of the issue" and thus musn't be looked at critically, instead accepted as the true gospel without any thought?
In all seriousness, the article itself reminds me of the phrase "damning with faint praise". I mean, this is what the fearmongers come up with as their best counter arguments?
At this point in time, WEP is more like the lock on your bathroom door. Fine to let people know that you don't want visitors, but not really designed to keep anyone out who wants to get in.
WPA is more like a front-door with a keylock and a deadbolt. Someone could break in, but they'd have to at least take a little more trouble than pulling a coin out of their pocket like you can do with "interior" locks.
If it's something you need to be secure, then yeah, you should be running encrypted traffic over a physically secure wired connection, not broadcasting everything to the neighborhood.
No, financially (free license, identical environments for support, easier management of older used hardware) and technically (much easier to lock down and secure from 12 year olds) motivated, not politically motivated.
This is a K-8. The specific kids in question will be looking for a job in 2013 at the very earliest. Somehow I doubt MS Office experience specific to five years earlier is going to mean a whole lot. They'll have plenty of time to get used to whatever will be later commonly in use in HS and college.
For example, when I was seeking employment, knowing assembly for 8 bit processors, versions of Basic for Commodore, TRS-80, TI-99-4/a, and Apple II, all of which I learned before being High School age, was completely useless for any type of work if you are talking about the specific languages, but very useful if you are talking about having the concepts understood ahead of time. Even the hardware in use was radically different just a few years later.
Again, the point isn't to "learn" open office, or MS office, or whatever. The point is to create a document or whatever the result is. When just the license cost for Office and Windows, even with academic volume licensing, is more than you can buy four used computers for, I think we'd rather have more computers to go around, thanks anyway. Or were you offering to pick up the tab?
You said students won't be able to do anything useful with them? Why? (Teacher's not using them is irrelevent, since they aren't for teacher use at all) You don't think students will be able to accomplish the listed tasks? That wasn't the most specific of criticisms.
I didn't need to, because since my Theater equipment was already at the "hub" of the cable plant, but I'm pretty sure that with some careful planning and knowledge of what frequency ranges you needed for what you could feed it all through.
I say that because I do know that you can backfeed various combinations of cable/satellite/over the air broadcasts in different directions over the same RG6 cable as long as you pay attention to the frequency ranges they use and use the right combiners/filters.
The only issue I ran into is that I didn't have a digital coax output on my receiver that switched signals for me, so I had to buy a $20 fiber to digital coax converter box from monoprice.com.
You sound like you have a lot of reasonable criticism of the typical solutions, so I'll pose my solution to you and see if you can find some flaws for me to consider.
Since I won't be implementing it for a few more months, I can still afford to make changes. Even then, I just need my required building design changes by that point. I have more time for the software planning.
1. All student-use computers are physically located in properly cooled closets next to the classrooms they serve. Monitor, keyboards and mice are available for use on the classroom wall/countertop next to those closets. So, no easy physical access to the stripped down computer itself.
2. All students login to their LDAP account with all non-OS storage on a central NAS. This means it doesn't matter which particular computer a student is using, their environment is the same. Computers are interchangeable, as they just need the basic OS and network connection. Student computers can thus also be wiped/replaced at any time with no data loss.
3. Student computers run Multi-Seat X so that more than one student can have a kb/mouse/monitor at a time per physical computer.
4. Students only use free software products. Computers are for use as a tool, i.e. recording research results in DB/spreadsheet, writing papers, scheduling w/teachers, emails, doing research on white-listed sites through a proxy server (basically, a site must be listed by a teacher as a curriculum resource before being allowed. Easy since all online academic resources will be stored in a DB as part of the records system anyway) with the use of the proxy server enforced at the network level.
5. No Microsoft products in use, including OSes.
6. Students with a computer at home may connect to their student environment from home as well, but they're allowed to mess that computer up because the school doesn't have to fix it.
See any flaws that I missed?
I've convinced the rest of the School Board that technology should be learned as a tool to use for something else that makes it necessary, like writing a paper, not as an end in and of itself.
My favorite trick is that with the right adapter you can use the cable TV coax already throughout your house as digital coax. That will generally get digital audio piped from one source to any device in your house that accepts a surround sound input.
Pre-existing cables and a couple of $70 Theater in a boxes (for the amps inside and the multiple speakers to scatter about the house) with that solution gave me whole house audio sourced from the one expensive tuner (Denon 3806) that runs my real theater, which of course was already tied into my PC/MP3 storage.
It's nice to be able to play surround sound from your computer to anywhere in the house without having to run cables between floors or anything.
Thanks to everyone for all the links and suggestions. I've found a lot of the Multiseat X stuff since this was originally submitted 20 days ago, but I still missed 50% of the material various people have suggested as options and really value the responses and offers of help from people who've actually already done something similar.
No, instead, since you have a first trust deed mortgage on a property with value that exceeds what they owe you, even with interest included, you notify them that they are in default, then 90 days later if they haven't paid you foreclose and sell the property, using the proceeds to pay yourself off. Nobody named Bruno necessary.
These are bridge loans to developers waiting to get their commercial financing, not money for people to pay gambling debts. In the hundreds of deals I am familiar with (I see a lot more than I participate in), most go late a little, but I've never seen a single one go all the way to foreclosure, since as long as the loan-to-value ratio is good enough to start with, the borrower would lose even more money if they let you have the property.
Also, its a fairly small community of lenders and developer borrowers, so most deals are done between people who have done deals before through that same broker.
I don't want to promote anyone in particular on /., but if you want to email me, I can give you some brokers that specialized in hard money deals. You do need available cash, or a way to get it quickly, like a HELOC.
I've never paid a title company any fees to do a deal. The interest all goes to the investor, while the broker just charges points on the deal to the borrower, just like most any other mortgage. If some company is trying to charge you fees as an investor, then yeah, that's not a company you want to deal with.
If a developer can make 45% on a property if he can get hard money NOW to buy or develop it, then wait for his conventional financing in 60-90 days in order to pay off his hard money loan, why should I cry for him that he's only going to make 39% instead on his deal (3 months @ 24% = 6%) since I helped him make it all happen?
Its not like loaning money to consumers who aren't making anything on the deal and can't pay it off.
Hard Money lending. Generally a minimum $50K investment, but returns a minimum 24%, in my experience averages closer to 30% once they go late and start paying 2%/month late fees on top of the interest. (Most people underestimate how long its going to take them to get their conventional commercial financing.)
Since a title company handles it all and insures the title, you get a first position mortgage (trust deed) recorded and shouldn't loan on anything higher than a 75% loan-to-value ratio, its also much less risky than most stock market investments.
Staffers who work at the White House and also for the RNC and Bush's campaign have a potential conflict. The Presidential Records Act requires them to only use government email for White House work, but the Hatch Act requires them to never use government email for anything campaign or fundraising related.
There are no personal consequences in the law for violating the Presidential Records Act, but you can get a big personal fine or go to jail for violating the Hatch Act.
If there is any question of whether an email is going to violate the Hatch Act and be campaign or fundraising related, then how many people are going to risk jail in order to also follow the Presidential Records Act? Yeah, almost everyone is going to err on the side of following the Hatch Act and ignoring the Presidential Records Act if there is a conflict.
Now when you've got a Blackberry (which they were all issued by the RNC) and are using that to talk to other people in the White House about campaign/fundraising issues, when you need to communicate with those same people about something else, how many real people are going to bother to wait until they can get to their government email account and how many are going to just hit reply on the Blackberry?
Sounds to me like this is just human nature and some badly written laws coming together.
Please specify "OpenBSD" or "OBSD", not just "BSD".
:)
Theo's antics gives OpenBSD a bad name, but please help keep his image away from reasonable and respectable people, like FreeBSD.
The decision itself basically said that sirst, Massachusetts as a State has special standing to pursue the case, second, Greenhouse gases could fall under the EPAs mandate, therefore the EPA needs to issue a ruling with a reason why they aren't regulating them or how they're going to regulate them.
The first part seemed to be crafted by the Liberals on the court in order to let them rule on the second part, since otherwise the case should have just been thrown out on procedural grounds. The majority five didn't actually give a legal reason for that part of the ruling, which is completely torn apart in Robert's four-justice dissent.
The second part doesn't require the EPA to regulate greenhouse gasses, or if they do regulate it, to regulate it in a manner that would change anyone's actions. All it did was tell the EPA administrator to issue a ruling and include some reasons, the ruling didn't say that any court has jurisdiction to agree or disagree with whatever the EPA decides. Based on the court case argument and side the EPA took, the EPA will presumably either decide that greenhouse gasses aren't pollutants and therefore won't be regulated by the EPA, or else they'll do a face-saving manuever and decide that they are, then set the regulations up so that no one will every have to change anything to comply with them.
Either way, the case is meaningless, except to create a rule that the EPA has to issue an opinion every time someone asks them for one, a point made in Scalia's four-justice dissent.
As far as the article summary of the result, as usual its almost totally wrong and makes it appear that the author didn't even bother to read the actual majority and dissenting opinions published by the court.
One thing to note is that they followed this same install-then-turn-on-common-services approach with all the OSes.
For example, the result after they did that on FreeBSD 6.2 was "None of the service binaries exhibited any vulnerabilities to remote exploits."
So while its not a valid part of a "default-install-only" test, it is an interesting benchmark of what if you then run some common services.
In general, however, you're right, there are methodology changes they could have made to make the testing much more useful to a real person considering an OS.
Try out the portupgrade set of tools, I think you'll like them. They're now pretty "standard" to use for installing and upgrading FreeBSD ports and simplify everything you'd commonly do with a FreeBSD port.
portupgrade -rR apache (or whatever) works really well for ensuring dependencies, correctly compatible versions, etc... If you don't specify the version it picks the lates for the major version you have installed or else it asks which version you want, etc...
Maybe they should also have compared those two boxes to what people who like HD actually use to record it with, a Dishnetwork VIP-622 DVR? Apparently it escaped their attention that people who have to have HD (you know, the guys with 100"+ HD screens who now hate anything in SD) tend to go with the provider that has by far the most HD and has had an HD DVR the longest.
Being the third generation of HD DVR for Dishnetwork (previously having provided the 921 and 943) and having been out for over a year, you'd think they'd have heard of it? Maybe once they've worked the bugs out of the Tivo series 3 and the DirecTV and cable boxes you would want to compare them, but right now the 622 is the easy winner.
In the day of shared hosting and virtual hosts on the same IP address, this appears to have the potential for huge collateral damage.
On the other hand, it might be a good time to create an ad-paid-for http proxy in Norwegian.
[blockquote]Katherine Harris reprogrammed the machines in Democratic leaning districts[/blockquote]
Are you sure you understand how elections are run in Florida? I'm not sure which exact election you're talking about, as Katherine Harris hasn't been Secretary of State in Florida for years now, but in any case, Democratic leaning districts elect primarily Democrats to run their County Elections Board and it's the County Elections Board that is in charge of ensuring that the local voting machinery is properly setup.
In short, your allegation doesn't appear on the face of it to make any sense at all.
Darn Republicans! Always trying to steal elections by demanding paper recountable ballots!
Now if only they can convince the Democrats on the election boards in Palm Beach and Broward Counties to go along with them....
Where's robocop when you need him?
This guy's theories are all wrong. Obviously people are causing the 100,000 - 41,000 year cycles. Someone should take away his meterology license...
I was looking more for something that would actually remove the tag from the list of tags, giving people a chance to clean up the list, not to add additional useless tags....
Speaking of /., it'd be nice if someone would implement negative tags so that the community can remove obviously inappropriate tags. Something like using -itsatrap would work nicely.