There was a point during the Bubble when there were articles abous brokerages and i-bankers going casual. Even the real estate broker in Manhattan who was helping us find 250k sf in midtown went casual for while.
I've just reversed engineered MS Exchange. Here's my demo:
sh-2.05b$ telnet mail.egl.net 25 Trying 208.159.114.4... Connected to mail.egl.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220 vmail2.iserv.net ESMTP help 214 qmail home page: http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html
I hope he has something more substantial to back himself up than a weak joke.
I'm saying that the commercial linux market is "owned" by 2 players who have no motivation to level the playing field for competitors.
Are customers clamoring for open standards? No. If they were, RH & Novell would be scurrying to become compliant.
I do not work for MSFT nor am I an "elitist snob". I am far beyond worrying about being seen as cool by the linux community or anybody else, than you.
Read your history. Look at what happened in the past when various consortiums tried to standardize UNIX, standize the UI, etc... Do you think that just because we're talking about companies that make Linux instead of UNIX that they will magically stop behaving like ongoing commercial concerns?
I'm sorry, it really doesn't. This was tried with UNIX. More than once. The commercial interests of market differentiation always won out over the need for standardization. I cannot see why it would be any different for linux. In the commercial sector, you've got Red Hat & Suse, followed by "the seven dwarves" (pick any 7). Don't confuse this with the demographic breakdown you'll get here on/.
Red Hat & Suse have enough of a lead, that all they get by agreeing to LSB is to create a more level playing field for the dwarves. The dwarves may join, but in the absence of one of the major players also joining, this in and of istelf will not be sufficient to push the dwarves into widespread commercial acceptance.
released. I think a case can be made that leaking pre-release movies, for instance, can cut into box-office sales. I can see a similar, though weaker, argument for music.
The punishment does indeed seem draconian, in any event.
I worked for a UNIX computer mfg in the late 80's. Even then there were arguments about kernel-bloat.
What would be cool is if the linux distros had default kernel options, much the way some of the majors have Workstation, Server, etc... that would adjust the kernel based on how the machine was being used.
Yes, I know one can reconfigure the kernel by one's self, but it then requires personal care and feeding for patches, upgrades, etc... It becomes one more thing one has to do. Personally, unless I really need it, I'm not goign to bother... too much of a PITA
Substitute pocket tape recorder for iPod and many of the concerns are the same.
I stikes me that this is the result of, "hey, I have a great idea... let's give all the frosh iPods!"
"Uh, what will they do with them?"
"I dunno, we'll figure something out."
It sure seems like the Duke program could have been better thought out, though sometimes the best ideas for a device are not envisioned by its creators, so something good may come from this.
Wht I really want to know is why the fvck does Duke, a school that costs a gazillion dollars a year, need to get a grant to give its students iPods?
We must really suck at generating ad revenue as we've yet to earn enough to pay for a day's worth of colocation. Or do you think we're paying ourselves for the "Your Ad Here" text ad?
I'm afraid you have quite a misunderstanding of just how much traffic one needs to generate to make any significant amount of revenue.
to allow Adobe to decrypt the white balance information? This is a very high-end camera, one that many of its users will by to shoot in raw mode. If the #1 tool for post-processing (PS) isn't going to do the job, that will cut into camera sales, will it not?
While I try to avoid direct comparisons to mirrordot, one of the differences is that Network Mirror has a mirror of the entire article, not just the first page.
I don't argue that they're easy to administer. I'm saying that give the user a choice and the user will take a dedicated CPU most time.
I administered many an NCD back in the day. In the development environment I managed ($2 bln company), the engineers wanted a dedicated CPU on their desktop to build with. Never mind that there were 6-cpu servers shared across each 15 developers and, most days, they'd get better compile times that way. They just wanted their own dedicated CPUs. Eventually, they won out though it was 5 years later and I had left so I don;t knwo if things improved or degraded overall.
When combined with other tariff proposals, it would appear that Canada's collectives want to the kill the download industry, demanding at least 40% of everything iTunes, Napster, and other new services earn."
I can't see it killing these globally, just in Canada.
Slashdot Mirror
There was a point during the Bubble when there were articles abous brokerages and i-bankers going casual. Even the real estate broker in Manhattan who was helping us find 250k sf in midtown went casual for while.
You're right. This clearly belongs in YRO. ;)
outside of the geek community and high-tech development communities, suits are back?
Thank you for putting across so eloquently what my sarcastic analogy failed to do.
I guess I'll need to aim my LCD a little lower (that's Lowest Common Denominator, not Light Emitting Diode for the math-impaired).
I've just reversed engineered MS Exchange. Here's my demo:
sh-2.05b$ telnet mail.egl.net 25
Trying 208.159.114.4...
Connected to mail.egl.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 vmail2.iserv.net ESMTP
help
214 qmail home page: http://pobox.com/~djb/qmail.html
I hope he has something more substantial to back himself up than a weak joke.
here and here.
Don't forget Frontpage ;)
I'm not trolling.
I have zero problems with commerical software.
I'm saying that the commercial linux market is "owned" by 2 players who have no motivation to level the playing field for competitors.
Are customers clamoring for open standards? No. If they were, RH & Novell would be scurrying to become compliant.
I do not work for MSFT nor am I an "elitist snob".
I am far beyond worrying about being seen as cool by the linux community or anybody else, than you.
Read your history. Look at what happened in the past when various consortiums tried to standardize UNIX, standize the UI, etc... Do you think that just because we're talking about companies that make Linux instead of UNIX that they will magically stop behaving like ongoing commercial concerns?
I'm sorry, it really doesn't. This was tried with UNIX. More than once. The commercial interests of market differentiation always won out over the need for standardization. I cannot see why it would be any different for linux. In the commercial sector, you've got Red Hat & Suse, followed by "the seven dwarves" (pick any 7). Don't confuse this with the demographic breakdown you'll get here on /.
Red Hat & Suse have enough of a lead, that all they get by agreeing to LSB is to create a more level playing field for the dwarves. The dwarves may join, but in the absence of one of the major players also joining, this in and of istelf will not be sufficient to push the dwarves into widespread commercial acceptance.
If I'm the producer of a linux distro and I want to make it as easy to use/run apps as Windows/Mac, why do I need LSB? I'll just do it myself.
released. I think a case can be made that leaking pre-release movies, for instance, can cut into box-office sales. I can see a similar, though weaker, argument for music.
The punishment does indeed seem draconian, in any event.
I worked for a UNIX computer mfg in the late 80's. Even then there were arguments about kernel-bloat.
What would be cool is if the linux distros had default kernel options, much the way some of the majors have Workstation, Server, etc... that would adjust the kernel based on how the machine was being used.
Yes, I know one can reconfigure the kernel by one's self, but it then requires personal care and feeding for patches, upgrades, etc... It becomes one more thing one has to do. Personally, unless I really need it, I'm not goign to bother... too much of a PITA
Substitute pocket tape recorder for iPod and many of the concerns are the same.
I stikes me that this is the result of, "hey, I have a great idea... let's give all the frosh iPods!"
"Uh, what will they do with them?"
"I dunno, we'll figure something out."
It sure seems like the Duke program could have been better thought out, though sometimes the best ideas for a device are not envisioned by its creators, so something good may come from this.
Wht I really want to know is why the fvck does Duke, a school that costs a gazillion dollars a year, need to get a grant to give its students iPods?
not gonna say it... too easy.... not gonna say it
Thank you for your feedback. Again.
We must really suck at generating ad revenue as we've yet to earn enough to pay for a day's worth of colocation. Or do you think we're paying ourselves for the "Your Ad Here" text ad?
I'm afraid you have quite a misunderstanding of just how much traffic one needs to generate to make any significant amount of revenue.
No worries. Sorry I missed the first real slashdotting of the server. Kind of like missing losing one's virginity. :)
to allow Adobe to decrypt the white balance information? This is a very high-end camera, one that many of its users will by to shoot in raw mode. If the #1 tool for post-processing (PS) isn't going to do the job, that will cut into camera sales, will it not?
Thank you for your feedback.
While I try to avoid direct comparisons to mirrordot, one of the differences is that Network Mirror has a mirror of the entire article, not just the first page.
Ouch! Looks like I picked the wrong time for my morning commute. As I type this, the load is still over 10 with about 154 httpd processes running.
Full mirror here, but it's still in Norwegian.
Not for very long after there was a good alternative.
Even expressed as a percentage of the overall desktop UNIX market only, they never commanded a big market share.
I don't argue that they're easy to administer. I'm saying that give the user a choice and the user will take a dedicated CPU most time.
I administered many an NCD back in the day. In the development environment I managed ($2 bln company), the engineers wanted a dedicated CPU on their desktop to build with. Never mind that there were 6-cpu servers shared across each 15 developers and, most days, they'd get better compile times that way. They just wanted their own dedicated CPUs. Eventually, they won out though it was 5 years later and I had left so I don;t knwo if things improved or degraded overall.
How many times must hitory repeat itself?
1 - Diskless Workstations
2 - X-terminals
3 - Network Computers
None ever saw widespread popularity.
When combined with other tariff proposals, it would appear that Canada's collectives want to the kill the download industry, demanding at least 40% of everything iTunes, Napster, and other new services earn."
I can't see it killing these globally, just in Canada.