I see. so if a student gets fined for breaking the law, that's evil mutilation? But if you steal someone else's hard work and put them out of business, that's your fucking right?
good point. Maybe they should stop spam filtering and firewalls, and fuck it, stop campus security and metal detectors too. If students want to go on killing sprees or run a spam network from their dorm, thats up to them. Thats FREEDOM!!!11
The students could actually buy music. I doubt itunes is blocked. If they suddenly realize that they cant afford everything they want for zero effort, then they just got a free basic economics lesson.
I bet the college network prevents people running mass-mailing spam businesses from their dorm room too. Is that also a right for every student?
This is no different to a whole range of things schools and universities have to spend money on because some of their students act like idiots. Some idiots bring knives to school, so the school has to waste money on metal detectors. Some idiots will send spam and viruses to any PC connected to the net, so the schools have to spend money on spam filtering and firewalls. In these cases, we all realize the maniacs with knives or the bastards who send spam are the ones causing the school to have to deal with this shit.
For some reason, the irresponsible dorks who risk all sorts of crap by using a school network to copy copyrighted stuff are somehow the victims. Maybe if they spent some more time actually studying, they might get decent jobs and be able to buy the music they want? Just a suggestion.
well its ridiculous to think I could afford a Ferrari, but it f I swipe one anyway, or joyride one and return it (effectively assuming the right to drive it) I still get rightfully prosecuted.
You can't base a society around "if you can't afford to buy something, you can have it anyway". Not a capitalist society anyway. Other systems are available, but most people find them not to their liking.
So we should grab a pickaxe and run into the streets? Because we want the right to take music for free.
Not because of Enron and the Bank bailout, or because of the tax breaks for billion dollar oil companies, or the state of US healthcare, or the False premise behind the war in Iraq, the costs of that war both in lives and money...
Oh no. Those things are only minor annoyances that we can just grumble about.
But we should *totally* be rioting in the streets because we can't copy mp3s without paying...
it comes from a guy with the balls to post as himself, rather than an anonymous coward trying to erect his e-penis by slagging people off over the interwebs.
You are delusional if you really think only 1% of people who spend days downloading ripped copies of crysis, who own a machine that will play that game, would buy it if they couldn't pirate it.
Pirates always kid themselves they wouldn't have bought the game, because if they don't tell themselves that they realise they are just stealing.
(Insert lame and totally retarded comment about !I just copied it!111 here)
I bought spore, I even leant the game to a friend. I know about it's DRM fine. it still hasn't bothered me, or him, and he wouldn't even know it existed. Whats your point?
I don't need any advice from dorks like you. Not everyone who actually believes in copyright is a troll or a shill, but you are clearly so far rammed up your ow ass to see that its pointless to even discuss it. go torrent some movies to 'stick it to the man' kid.
I make PC games. some of them have mac ports. Big deal. Sorry to ruin your life because you clicked an exe link. I'll make sure a mac port gets done just for you. Clearly I FAIL. *sigh*
another pile of bullshit where EVERYONE I KNOW HAS THEIR HOUSE EXPLODE BEOCAUSE OF TEH DRM
What bullshit.
I sell games. I've used DRM in the past. The figures quoted in the article are accurate. Sorry if that upsets your anti-drm extremist activist worldview kiddo.
A troll is someone who is trying to provoke a response. Clearly you have fuck all idea what a troll is. But your posts deserve +10 arrogant bullshit, pity there isn't an appropriate mod.
Wow. you are suggesting that not every pirate copy is a lost sale. how astounding I have never heard this argument before. Take back everything I said, piracy is awesome! Go piratebay!
or people could stop behaving like schoolkids with an overblown sense of fucking entitlement to everything ever made for free?
Oh sorry, I forgot this is slashdot, might as well be torrentfreak. only here or torrentfreak are you instantly modded troll for daring to suggest people shouldn't pirate games.
on what do you base the last bit? I've seen really crap games that I KNOW sold really badly on torrent sites and rapidshare sites. People pirate everything, they don't restrict it to the games from big mega-corps. I only wish they did...
Good games do sell, but sometimes not as well as they should, and thus not enough (in a perfect market) to encourage good games get made. Take Thief. That was an awesome game, and apparently also massively pirated, being a first person game with no multiplayer. The company went bust, but deserved to be wearing money hats for making an awesome game. That's a net loss for gaming in general.
And take "world of goo", an awesome game, that (like mine) ships totally DRM-free. It's pirated to oblivion, and they are no doubt losing tons of sales.
Contrast this with cheap movie tie-in games. They sell tons, based purely on hype, to people who have no idea about the more obscure, but better games. So we get more crap movie tie-ins and sequels, and less cool stuff like World of Goo.
Piracy hurts the industry big time, because it removes vital signals from the market. The games that get made are the games that sell. However much you like a game, your view is irrelevant unless you buy it, because we live in a capitalist free market, where profits determine what products get investment.
Short summary: don't pirate games. It is self defeating. Especially if you pirate games you really like.
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I see.
so if a student gets fined for breaking the law, that's evil mutilation?
But if you steal someone else's hard work and put them out of business, that's your fucking right?
Grow up.
good point. Maybe they should stop spam filtering and firewalls, and fuck it, stop campus security and metal detectors too.
If students want to go on killing sprees or run a spam network from their dorm, thats up to them.
Thats FREEDOM!!!11
Yay!
The students could actually buy music. I doubt itunes is blocked.
If they suddenly realize that they cant afford everything they want for zero effort, then they just got a free basic economics lesson.
I bet the college network prevents people running mass-mailing spam businesses from their dorm room too. Is that also a right for every student?
This is no different to a whole range of things schools and universities have to spend money on because some of their students act like idiots.
Some idiots bring knives to school, so the school has to waste money on metal detectors.
Some idiots will send spam and viruses to any PC connected to the net, so the schools have to spend money on spam filtering and firewalls.
In these cases, we all realize the maniacs with knives or the bastards who send spam are the ones causing the school to have to deal with this shit.
For some reason, the irresponsible dorks who risk all sorts of crap by using a school network to copy copyrighted stuff are somehow the victims. Maybe if they spent some more time actually studying, they might get decent jobs and be able to buy the music they want?
Just a suggestion.
Ah yes, I see anyone who doesn't support copyright infringement still gets marked as troll.
How mature.
Wow, what a chip you have on your immature little shoulders.
I work for myself making my little games that you hate with every pore of your body.
I enjoy doing it, and get paid for doing what I love.
I hope that really fucking irritates you.
well its ridiculous to think I could afford a Ferrari, but it f I swipe one anyway, or joyride one and return it (effectively assuming the right to drive it) I still get rightfully prosecuted.
You can't base a society around "if you can't afford to buy something, you can have it anyway". Not a capitalist society anyway. Other systems are available, but most people find them not to their liking.
So we should grab a pickaxe and run into the streets?
Because we want the right to take music for free.
Not because of Enron and the Bank bailout, or because of the tax breaks for billion dollar oil companies, or the state of US healthcare, or the False premise behind the war in Iraq, the costs of that war both in lives and money...
Oh no. Those things are only minor annoyances that we can just grumble about.
But we should *totally* be rioting in the streets because we can't copy mp3s without paying...
it comes from a guy with the balls to post as himself, rather than an anonymous coward trying to erect his e-penis by slagging people off over the interwebs.
I don't lie to buyers, don't use DRM, provide decent demos and accept returns for faulty products.
people still pirate my stuff.
The game crashed, what makes you assume it was the DRM?
You are delusional if you really think only 1% of people who spend days downloading ripped copies of crysis, who own a machine that will play that game, would buy it if they couldn't pirate it.
Pirates always kid themselves they wouldn't have bought the game, because if they don't tell themselves that they realise they are just stealing.
(Insert lame and totally retarded comment about !I just copied it!111 here)
I bought spore, I even leant the game to a friend. I know about it's DRM fine. it still hasn't bothered me, or him, and he wouldn't even know it existed.
Whats your point?
What the fuck are you babbling about?
I don't need any advice from dorks like you. Not everyone who actually believes in copyright is a troll or a shill, but you are clearly so far rammed up your ow ass to see that its pointless to even discuss it.
go torrent some movies to 'stick it to the man' kid.
wtf?
I make PC games. some of them have mac ports. Big deal.
Sorry to ruin your life because you clicked an exe link.
I'll make sure a mac port gets done just for you. Clearly I FAIL.
*sigh*
"Of course, the industry would have you believe that PC gaming is dying because of piracy"
yes those evil greedy money hungry gaming-hating game developers want to kill off their own industry just to annoy you.
grow up.
They have the statistics on how many sales vs tech support drm issues. You do not. You are just guessing.
another pile of bullshit where EVERYONE I KNOW HAS THEIR HOUSE EXPLODE BEOCAUSE OF TEH DRM
What bullshit.
I sell games. I've used DRM in the past. The figures quoted in the article are accurate. Sorry if that upsets your anti-drm extremist activist worldview kiddo.
A troll is someone who is trying to provoke a response.
Clearly you have fuck all idea what a troll is.
But your posts deserve +10 arrogant bullshit, pity there isn't an appropriate mod.
Wow. you are suggesting that not every pirate copy is a lost sale.
how astounding
I have never heard this argument before.
Take back everything I said, piracy is awesome!
Go piratebay!
*sigh*
or people could stop behaving like schoolkids with an overblown sense of fucking entitlement to everything ever made for free?
Oh sorry, I forgot this is slashdot, might as well be torrentfreak.
only here or torrentfreak are you instantly modded troll for daring to suggest people shouldn't pirate games.
Pathetic.
wow, what bullshit. I must be a shill for someone because you don't agree with me.
Fucking grow up.
"For instance $5,000,000 should be required to be placed in escrow before a DMCA notice is issued,"
so you only protect the copyright of people with 5 million in the bank?
that will REALLY help innovation.
on what do you base the last bit? I've seen really crap games that I KNOW sold really badly on torrent sites and rapidshare sites.
People pirate everything, they don't restrict it to the games from big mega-corps.
I only wish they did...
Good games do sell, but sometimes not as well as they should, and thus not enough (in a perfect market) to encourage good games get made.
Take Thief. That was an awesome game, and apparently also massively pirated, being a first person game with no multiplayer. The company went bust, but deserved to be wearing money hats for making an awesome game. That's a net loss for gaming in general.
And take "world of goo", an awesome game, that (like mine) ships totally DRM-free. It's pirated to oblivion, and they are no doubt losing tons of sales.
Contrast this with cheap movie tie-in games. They sell tons, based purely on hype, to people who have no idea about the more obscure, but better games. So we get more crap movie tie-ins and sequels, and less cool stuff like World of Goo.
Piracy hurts the industry big time, because it removes vital signals from the market. The games that get made are the games that sell. However much you like a game, your view is irrelevant unless you buy it, because we live in a capitalist free market, where profits determine what products get investment.
Short summary: don't pirate games. It is self defeating. Especially if you pirate games you really like.