how many popular videogames have been funded by donations? Because if that system made any vague sense, surely the majority of big popular games would be funded that way, because, as you state, there is nothing stopping it happening now...
i give control of my money to a bank, and control of the contents of my food to the people who grow, harvest and package it. I give control of the materials used to build my house to the builders and architect and so on....
Whats so special about *data* that its wrong to work in partnership with people who manage things for you? Did RMS knit his own clothes and grow his own food? The guy is an idiot, and his laughable naive ramblings should be ignored
As soon as the replicators mean that software devs like me don't need to pay rent or buy food, I'll agree with you. Until then, stop quoting some farcical sci-fi future as justification for stealing the work of developers like me.
You don't work for fuck-all, why expect everyone who makes entertainment to do so?
You know, all things being equal if it takes you a hundred times as much text to explain your side of the argument, you are on dodgy grounds. Here's the simpler side:
People work hard to make games. if you want to enjoy the fruits of their hard work, they ask you to pay them for their time. You get pleasure from games, just as you do from food, beer or the theatre. it's the same principle.
bullshit. I have an issue with people taking my hard work for free. That's ripping off over a years hard work for zero compensation. If someone downloads a fake file and thinks they were ripping me off, why the hell should I give a damn how they feel? They were trying to rip me off, they got what they deserved.
If someone cuts their finger trying to break into my house, I don't give a fuck, so why should I care if someone wasted some bandwidth trying to steal my games? Trust me, I don't. They made the first move in trying to act like an asshole, it's no good crying about lost time to the guy you wanted to steal from.
So do you take the same approach with movies? ie, sneak in and watch the whole movie, then maybe flip some coins to the till on the way out? After all, you can't trust trailers can you. Also, take cars. That test drive is a very inaccurate demo. You don't get to test the car at night or in the snow. Way better to steal the car, and then pay the manufacturer in 10 years time once you are sure you like it right?
Face facts, people pirate because they want to take stuff for free and don't care about the developer. it has fuck all to do with the nature of the demo.
maybe the implication si that you should respect the wishes of the people who made that game, and the fact that they clearly want you to try the demo. People are less likely to pay for something they already swiped for free, and you know it.
But I guess if you get to rip some off over the internet anonymously, you don't really give a damn about their wishes, feelings or how it affects their business...
"My attitude to stuff I've created is so long as you don't pass it off as your own work or make money off it, go nuts and copy it all you want."
Interesting. Is this stuff that took you two years hard work, full time, which you did as your primary way of paying the bills and putting food on the table? Because thats what 2DBoy did. And yet you seem to be equating this with something you might knock up for laughs in your spare time.
Theres nothing magical about creative 'entertainment' works which means the people making them do not have to pay rent and buy food. I bet you don't have th same carefree attitude to your employers paying your salary "as long as you admit I did the work, I don't mind how much you pay me".
you do realise that citizens work for corporations yes? Those corporations pay salaries to the citizens, and keep the economy afloat. slashdot readers are quick to bash evil corps, but would be quick to cry foul the moment those corps fire them and said "fine you do it then".
People don't suddenly become evil the day they employ someone else.
...says someone who still no doubt expects to get paid for HIS job, although you are clearly delusional enough to expect you have the right to take the fruits of other peoples work for free. Fucking bullshit. You are just rationalising being a cheap-ass.
so if you want to compete with valve, then you are fucked, because they will just lock you out of steam. I don't think having a single monopolistic gatekeeper for PC gaming is a good idea at all.
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wtf? you need to do some elementary reading on capitalism...
how many popular videogames have been funded by donations?
Because if that system made any vague sense, surely the majority of big popular games would be funded that way, because, as you state, there is nothing stopping it happening now...
You automatically assume that all software that isn't free is made by huge multi-billion dollar evil corporations.
Do I have a golden parachute and live off huge mega stock options just because my games aren't open source or freeware?
Stop trying to paint all commercial software devs as evil Enron types. It's just silly.
i give control of my money to a bank, and control of the contents of my food to the people who grow, harvest and package it. I give control of the materials used to build my house to the builders and architect and so on....
Whats so special about *data* that its wrong to work in partnership with people who manage things for you?
Did RMS knit his own clothes and grow his own food?
The guy is an idiot, and his laughable naive ramblings should be ignored
I'm middle aged and white, and have some grey hair. Am I not allowed to make any more games?
As soon as the replicators mean that software devs like me don't need to pay rent or buy food, I'll agree with you. Until then, stop quoting some farcical sci-fi future as justification for stealing the work of developers like me.
You don't work for fuck-all, why expect everyone who makes entertainment to do so?
You know, all things being equal if it takes you a hundred times as much text to explain your side of the argument, you are on dodgy grounds.
Here's the simpler side:
People work hard to make games. if you want to enjoy the fruits of their hard work, they ask you to pay them for their time. You get pleasure from games, just as you do from food, beer or the theatre. it's the same principle.
Simple really.
That's the exact attitude by pirates that has led to DRM, lawsuits and a push for tougher laws.
Nice work kid.
bullshit. I have an issue with people taking my hard work for free. That's ripping off over a years hard work for zero compensation. If someone downloads a fake file and thinks they were ripping me off, why the hell should I give a damn how they feel? They were trying to rip me off, they got what they deserved.
If someone cuts their finger trying to break into my house, I don't give a fuck, so why should I care if someone wasted some bandwidth trying to steal my games?
Trust me, I don't. They made the first move in trying to act like an asshole, it's no good crying about lost time to the guy you wanted to steal from.
so fuck the developer. If you can get a game 4 minutes faster by stealing it, fuck em eh?
great post. I applaud you. I wish more people realised this.
If I had the option of not paying for restaurant meals at the end of them, suddenly no food would be up to my *standards*.
A pathetic excuse.
So do you take the same approach with movies? ie, sneak in and watch the whole movie, then maybe flip some coins to the till on the way out?
After all, you can't trust trailers can you.
Also, take cars. That test drive is a very inaccurate demo. You don't get to test the car at night or in the snow. Way better to steal the car, and then pay the manufacturer in 10 years time once you are sure you like it right?
Face facts, people pirate because they want to take stuff for free and don't care about the developer. it has fuck all to do with the nature of the demo.
maybe the implication si that you should respect the wishes of the people who made that game, and the fact that they clearly want you to try the demo. People are less likely to pay for something they already swiped for free, and you know it.
But I guess if you get to rip some off over the internet anonymously, you don't really give a damn about their wishes, feelings or how it affects their business...
"My attitude to stuff I've created is so long as you don't pass it off as your own work or make money off it, go nuts and copy it all you want."
Interesting. Is this stuff that took you two years hard work, full time, which you did as your primary way of paying the bills and putting food on the table?
Because thats what 2DBoy did. And yet you seem to be equating this with something you might knock up for laughs in your spare time.
Theres nothing magical about creative 'entertainment' works which means the people making them do not have to pay rent and buy food. I bet you don't have th same carefree attitude to your employers paying your salary "as long as you admit I did the work, I don't mind how much you pay me".
you do realise that citizens work for corporations yes?
Those corporations pay salaries to the citizens, and keep the economy afloat.
slashdot readers are quick to bash evil corps, but would be quick to cry foul the moment those corps fire them and said "fine you do it then".
People don't suddenly become evil the day they employ someone else.
the enterprise wasn't a war ship its a science vessel. what's the average age of scientists?
take a chill pill.
methinks trek is set in a future where the USA is not even in existence.
wtf? because none of us can name a website that host copyrighted movies and music that hasn't been taken down.
oh yes, sorry we can name dozens, huge famous ones.
and that works for video games how exactly?
...says someone who still no doubt expects to get paid for HIS job, although you are clearly delusional enough to expect you have the right to take the fruits of other peoples work for free.
Fucking bullshit. You are just rationalising being a cheap-ass.
so if you want to compete with valve, then you are fucked, because they will just lock you out of steam. I don't think having a single monopolistic gatekeeper for PC gaming is a good idea at all.
Ah, yet again modded troll by the guilty kids who can't live without free music...
www.itunes.com
problem solved