I could smash your window while your at work and take your TV. The fact that no window has been invented that cant be smashed doesnt mean that the vast majority of people do not behave that way. Personal property did not dissapear as a concept when someone invented the crowbar.
And in fact, most people realise that taking the fruits of someone elses hard work for free is theft. its only people who have a huge torrent collection and try to rationalise that theft who hide behind "everyone I know does it".
always funny to see that piarte classic "i bought a book once" being wheeled out to justify mass copyright-infrinegment. Your system means that writers like stephen King, JK rowling, Neal Stephenson, Iain M Banks etc, all knock out books when they get home from WalMart. personally, I'm glad they arent doing that, because I think those authros are good, and that their time is better spent writing great literature than it is stacking tins of beans, which you want them to do for no better reason than 'you cant digitally copy beans'.
"There's no reason movies can't be done as performances"
excellent, apart from the fact that we only have 1 george clooney, 1 harrison ford 1 etc etc. If everything becomes some low budget stage show, apart from the fact that the matrix would have been pretty pants, we all get to see the dork in the next village cast as Neo, as opposed to a single actor who was determined to be the best for the job.
Of course, if you can explain how a movie like 'Hero' can be performed at Guildford Theater, I'll eat my words.
People go to astonishing lengths to justify free downloads.
"As Pirates (I am a member of the Swedish Pirate Party) we believe there is no inherent right in getting paid for copies"
thats communism right? I'm not trolling, or being negative, I repesct people who believe in communist principles, but often (in my experience) they don't realise what they are. You expect people who can manufacture products (songs, software etc) to do so without any expectation of being compensated for the fruits of their labour (assuming those fruits are desired and consumed). That remind me of "to each according to their needs, from each according to their means".
Of course the flipside of it, is that everyone has to go out and work and abide by the same principle. If you are a farmer, and I'm a software developer, I can pop round your hosue and take some bread and eggs and meat when I am hungry, without paying you. That's how the system works.
Or do you belive just ins ome special new radical form of communism where people who make physical goods work as capitalists, and the schmucks who make copyable goods have to uphold the communist side?
a friend of wine works for a large company researching cancer drugs. The reason they spend a lot of money (and trust me, they do) researching this, is that they know that patent law / trademarks etc will mean that if the drugs work, they will get their investment bank, and the banks that lend them the money (and the shareholders) are working with the same idea in mind. That company would close its doors right this second if they had no way to protect the fruits of their research. Why would a shareholder invest in them anymore when they could invest in the indian company sat on its hands waiting to copy their work?
Teenagers vote for party which promises free stuff. wow, I'm so impressed. When the teenagers grow up and get jobs and realise the way the world works, and that people who make digitally encoded goods also need to eat, they will realise how naieve they were when they suggested this stupidity. If you let motorists vote on wheteher we should abolish parking fines and speed limits, they would vote for that too, but it doesn't mean that society would be better off without those laws. Why not just go the whole hog and stand on a platform of zero taxes and free beer for all?
"have to specifivally allow it to run. Duh, I'm installing the frigging thing so naturally, I want it to run"
if microsoft did take that attitude to security, they would be hassled constantly by people on here about writing an insecure O/S. People are tricked every day into installing spyware and trojans. I'm glad about any additional protection that stops people installing that stuff, even if the side effect is a slight PITA when installing legit software.
Insurance surely? After all, people spend a fortune on double glazing, and that has exactly the same risks. I don't know how long it takes for doubvle glazing to pay for itself through lower heating bills, but I'm pretty sure its quite a while too.
"to perform a fair, accurate and precise assessment of a company's environmental impact requires weeks, if not months, of intensive on-site research and measurement"
and when the company involved tells you to fuck off, your only conclusion is to do nothing and ignore the topic? If any of these companies wanted to dispute their positions, they could invite GP in to take a look. You seem to think that the best information to have on the eco-friendliness of products is either none-at-all, or just to parrot back the greenwash spin that their PR companies put out.
Newsflash -> sometimes companies do stuff they would rather their customers didn't find out about. Without lists like this, and groups like greenpeace, we would have even more destructive and toxic process being carried out. We don't use lead paint anymore, and we don't put asbestos in school buildings. This is because campaign groups (it never starts with governments) make a fuss about this stuff. Good for them.
Same here, my PC has some sleep/hibernate problems, but I havent really investigated them because startup / shutdown is so fast. The disk thrashed till i turned off indexing, but apart from that vista feels responsive, very user-friendly, and hasn't crashed or hung once. And even using the 'dodgy' nvidia 8800 drivers hasnt caused me any issues. Games run fast and fluid, and I haven't encountered any app with major compatibility problems.
to people who dont know a kb from an mb from a GB, 5 gig IS unlimited. NO company on earth can EVER offer unlimited anything, unless they can fill the known universe with nothing but their product. If I eat 800 tons of chicken at an 'all you can eat' chicken place, can I complain that I might have eaten 1000 tons? 50,000 tons? a billion tons? 'unlimited' is used in marketing just like 'free' is. Of course free things aren't free, and unlimited things aren't unlimited.
I see, for daring not to agree with the slashdot anti-drm groupthink, i've been modded troll. Because you dont agree with me does not make me a troll. *sigh*.
I think if you are good at a game, you almost have a duty to help balance the fun. if my COD2 team is winning CTF 6-0, then I always swap teams to help out the side losing, I dont really care what the final score was, or how I do, but its just to cool to play a pitch battle right up to the last second, where it can go either way. I never understand those kids who will pull of the same move, the same run, time and time again, to rack up points, without any regard for the fact that nobody else on that server is enjoying the game anymore.
Good plan. someone in the Bush govt should approve the funding of all new movies. I can't see 'an inconvenient truth' getting far under your state-control system.
all the people who go to see them in their millions? Just because YOU might not like big budget movies does not mean nobody on earth does. And I've given plenty of examples of the other cost involve in non-CG movies. How cheap do you think it is to make a movie like 'Pride and Prejudice?' hint: it's mroe than the hundreds of dollars you could spend on a free movie. of course, you might prefer to hve ad-supported movies to make up the losses due to widespread piracy. In that case, we can enjoy jane austens film about Elizabeth Pepsi and Mr Darcy in his best Nike sneakers.
No, it costs millions to make movies because the rendering farms used by pixar arent cheap. having 500 extras in period costumes in a built-from scratch set isn't cheap. Hiring the best experts in cinematography, lighting, editing, costume and set design is not cheap. This stuf is tehcnically hard. Copare LOTR to a you-tube vid. that is the difference.
Movies arent knocked up in 10 minutes, have you never watched a behind the scenes program on how modern movies are made? If you think you can do it better, cheaper, go do it! Blair witch did exactly that. There is no law preventing you creating your own IP tommorow. In fact, the harry potter novels showed how Billion dollar IP can be created by a single person with just a laptop. Go do it, write the next lord of the rings, or the next harry potter, there is NO law to stop you doing so.
We have a whole generation of people who think that copying a movie is the same as making one. How on earth do you expect that to be good for the creation of new entertainment?
The funny thing is, the pirates who are always posting download links to movies get VERY upset if people don't 'thank them for their work' (by which they mean the uploading to a warez site. Ironic, given their flagrant dismissal of the efforts of the hundreds of scriptwriters, editors, actors, set designers, carpenters, painters and model builders who make the actual movie. There is never any thanks (by way of actually buying the movie) handed their way.
its not a matter of being against consumers, its a matter of making consumers realise that entertainment products cost serious money to make, and that investment needs to be recouped. This was never a serious problem before the web, people knew that movies cost millions, they bought tickets and went to see them. If you have a whole generation growing up thats used to taking those movies for nothing, you are describing the death of an industry. You might not like the big media companies, I don't much like them either, but I *do* like top quality films, games, software and Tv shows, and I know they cost money to make. I certainly don't want to live ina world where mass piracy has eliminated commercial entertainment and we have to rely on home-made movies dont by people in their spare time. I'm not sure what a $100 version of Lord of The Rings looks like, but I'm pretty sure it's not as cool as the version peter jackson made. DRM is like Democracy. Its a terrible solution, except for all the others.
as long as there are enough opponents online when you want to play, that they want to fly the planes you want to fight against, on a map you agree on, where you have suitably matching skill levels, zero lag, and he doesnt behave like a jerk..... great!
weird that a critique of my games is meant to serve as explanation for my point that you are unlikely to see a CIV 5. And actually, my games sell quite well, despite the fact that you personally would dismiss them because of the screenshots. That's fine, but like it or not, games made by indies like me are all you will have to look forward to as single player games on the PC, as more and more big names (id, funcom...) depart the platform for good due to widespread illegal copying. I'm not sure how you can tell a games quality just by looking at a screenshot anyway. Lets be honest, bejewlled, zuma, tetris and chess, all look pretty shit in screenshots. If I want to look at pretty things, I watch a star wars movie. I play games to interact and have fun.
I see, so it works for google and linux, so lets scrap the 99.9% of established businesses that aren't on your list? When I buy adobe photoshop, i dont need support for it, and I dont need updates. You still think they should give it to me for free? How exactly does that work, if the income is preuly from supprot, wheres my incentive to ship a bug free product? Stop trying to dream up a rosy business model that lets people take everything for free, it's not vaguely sustainable, at least not with the huge effort and costs put into producing software/movies at the current standard.
so all games become online games, all single player games become multiplayer. great. kiss goodbye to flight sims kiss goodbye to civilisation as a singleplayer game kiss goodbye to RPGs. cool now I can only ever enjoy video games playing against jackasses online. Somehow, I dont think this is a bright future, and we have the people who pirate games to thank for it. Cheers guys.
so how does someone writing a book do this then? "live readings" may not exactly be as profitable. And how does this apply to people making software, movies or games?
With all other situations where people break the law, efforts are made to enforce it better. With copyright infringement, the call goes out to "change your broken business model". why? All business models will fail if people are allowed to break the law. No shop can employ enough security to prevent everyone shoplifting at once. Show me a business model that is not dependent on the law being adhered to.
The games industry is adapting to mass piracy by abandoing the open platform that is the PC, in favour of online games and consoles. For the singleplayer RPG or flight sim fan, the way piracy has forced a 're-evaluation of the business model' is just to wipe out the entire industry. Not exactly the optimal solution for consumers.
As I said, this problem doesn't even affect me. So yes, it does work as it is supposed to and I'm very happy with it. I'm sorry if that dissapoints people, but there you go. As a windows user, I really don't care what bugs linux may or may not have. I don't see why linux users are so annoyed about bugs in an O/S they don't even use.
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I could smash your window while your at work and take your TV. The fact that no window has been invented that cant be smashed doesnt mean that the vast majority of people do not behave that way. Personal property did not dissapear as a concept when someone invented the crowbar.
And in fact, most people realise that taking the fruits of someone elses hard work for free is theft. its only people who have a huge torrent collection and try to rationalise that theft who hide behind "everyone I know does it".
always funny to see that piarte classic "i bought a book once" being wheeled out to justify mass copyright-infrinegment.
Your system means that writers like stephen King, JK rowling, Neal Stephenson, Iain M Banks etc, all knock out books when they get home from WalMart. personally, I'm glad they arent doing that, because I think those authros are good, and that their time is better spent writing great literature than it is stacking tins of beans, which you want them to do for no better reason than 'you cant digitally copy beans'.
"There's no reason movies can't be done as performances"
excellent, apart from the fact that we only have 1 george clooney, 1 harrison ford 1 etc etc. If everything becomes some low budget stage show, apart from the fact that the matrix would have been pretty pants, we all get to see the dork in the next village cast as Neo, as opposed to a single actor who was determined to be the best for the job.
Of course, if you can explain how a movie like 'Hero' can be performed at Guildford Theater, I'll eat my words.
People go to astonishing lengths to justify free downloads.
"As Pirates (I am a member of the Swedish Pirate Party) we believe there is no inherent right in getting paid for copies"
thats communism right?
I'm not trolling, or being negative, I repesct people who believe in communist principles, but often (in my experience) they don't realise what they are.
You expect people who can manufacture products (songs, software etc) to do so without any expectation of being compensated for the fruits of their labour (assuming those fruits are desired and consumed). That remind me of "to each according to their needs, from each according to their means".
Of course the flipside of it, is that everyone has to go out and work and abide by the same principle. If you are a farmer, and I'm a software developer, I can pop round your hosue and take some bread and eggs and meat when I am hungry, without paying you. That's how the system works.
Or do you belive just ins ome special new radical form of communism where people who make physical goods work as capitalists, and the schmucks who make copyable goods have to uphold the communist side?
a friend of wine works for a large company researching cancer drugs. The reason they spend a lot of money (and trust me, they do) researching this, is that they know that patent law / trademarks etc will mean that if the drugs work, they will get their investment bank, and the banks that lend them the money (and the shareholders) are working with the same idea in mind.
That company would close its doors right this second if they had no way to protect the fruits of their research. Why would a shareholder invest in them anymore when they could invest in the indian company sat on its hands waiting to copy their work?
Teenagers vote for party which promises free stuff. wow, I'm so impressed. When the teenagers grow up and get jobs and realise the way the world works, and that people who make digitally encoded goods also need to eat, they will realise how naieve they were when they suggested this stupidity. If you let motorists vote on wheteher we should abolish parking fines and speed limits, they would vote for that too, but it doesn't mean that society would be better off without those laws.
Why not just go the whole hog and stand on a platform of zero taxes and free beer for all?
"have to specifivally allow it to run. Duh, I'm installing the frigging thing so naturally, I want it to run"
if microsoft did take that attitude to security, they would be hassled constantly by people on here about writing an insecure O/S. People are tricked every day into installing spyware and trojans. I'm glad about any additional protection that stops people installing that stuff, even if the side effect is a slight PITA when installing legit software.
I find that my ancient office 97 install still works perfectly under Vista. If that helps.
Insurance surely?
After all, people spend a fortune on double glazing, and that has exactly the same risks. I don't know how long it takes for doubvle glazing to pay for itself through lower heating bills, but I'm pretty sure its quite a while too.
"to perform a fair, accurate and precise assessment of a company's environmental impact requires weeks, if not months, of intensive on-site research and measurement"
and when the company involved tells you to fuck off, your only conclusion is to do nothing and ignore the topic? If any of these companies wanted to dispute their positions, they could invite GP in to take a look. You seem to think that the best information to have on the eco-friendliness of products is either none-at-all, or just to parrot back the greenwash spin that their PR companies put out.
Newsflash -> sometimes companies do stuff they would rather their customers didn't find out about. Without lists like this, and groups like greenpeace, we would have even more destructive and toxic process being carried out. We don't use lead paint anymore, and we don't put asbestos in school buildings. This is because campaign groups (it never starts with governments) make a fuss about this stuff.
Good for them.
yes, but I just ticked the compatibility icon and they go away, so hardly a deal breaker on a new O/S.
Same here, my PC has some sleep/hibernate problems, but I havent really investigated them because startup / shutdown is so fast. The disk thrashed till i turned off indexing, but apart from that vista feels responsive, very user-friendly, and hasn't crashed or hung once.
And even using the 'dodgy' nvidia 8800 drivers hasnt caused me any issues. Games run fast and fluid, and I haven't encountered any app with major compatibility problems.
to people who dont know a kb from an mb from a GB, 5 gig IS unlimited.
NO company on earth can EVER offer unlimited anything, unless they can fill the known universe with nothing but their product. If I eat 800 tons of chicken at an 'all you can eat' chicken place, can I complain that I might have eaten 1000 tons? 50,000 tons? a billion tons?
'unlimited' is used in marketing just like 'free' is. Of course free things aren't free, and unlimited things aren't unlimited.
I see, for daring not to agree with the slashdot anti-drm groupthink, i've been modded troll.
Because you dont agree with me does not make me a troll.
*sigh*.
I think if you are good at a game, you almost have a duty to help balance the fun. if my COD2 team is winning CTF 6-0, then I always swap teams to help out the side losing, I dont really care what the final score was, or how I do, but its just to cool to play a pitch battle right up to the last second, where it can go either way.
I never understand those kids who will pull of the same move, the same run, time and time again, to rack up points, without any regard for the fact that nobody else on that server is enjoying the game anymore.
Good plan. someone in the Bush govt should approve the funding of all new movies.
I can't see 'an inconvenient truth' getting far under your state-control system.
all the people who go to see them in their millions?
Just because YOU might not like big budget movies does not mean nobody on earth does.
And I've given plenty of examples of the other cost involve in non-CG movies. How cheap do you think it is to make a movie like 'Pride and Prejudice?'
hint: it's mroe than the hundreds of dollars you could spend on a free movie.
of course, you might prefer to hve ad-supported movies to make up the losses due to widespread piracy. In that case, we can enjoy jane austens film about Elizabeth Pepsi and Mr Darcy in his best Nike sneakers.
No, it costs millions to make movies because the rendering farms used by pixar arent cheap. having 500 extras in period costumes in a built-from scratch set isn't cheap. Hiring the best experts in cinematography, lighting, editing, costume and set design is not cheap. This stuf is tehcnically hard. Copare LOTR to a you-tube vid. that is the difference.
Movies arent knocked up in 10 minutes, have you never watched a behind the scenes program on how modern movies are made?
If you think you can do it better, cheaper, go do it! Blair witch did exactly that. There is no law preventing you creating your own IP tommorow. In fact, the harry potter novels showed how Billion dollar IP can be created by a single person with just a laptop. Go do it, write the next lord of the rings, or the next harry potter, there is NO law to stop you doing so.
We have a whole generation of people who think that copying a movie is the same as making one. How on earth do you expect that to be good for the creation of new entertainment?
The funny thing is, the pirates who are always posting download links to movies get VERY upset if people don't 'thank them for their work' (by which they mean the uploading to a warez site. Ironic, given their flagrant dismissal of the efforts of the hundreds of scriptwriters, editors, actors, set designers, carpenters, painters and model builders who make the actual movie. There is never any thanks (by way of actually buying the movie) handed their way.
its not a matter of being against consumers, its a matter of making consumers realise that entertainment products cost serious money to make, and that investment needs to be recouped. This was never a serious problem before the web, people knew that movies cost millions, they bought tickets and went to see them. If you have a whole generation growing up thats used to taking those movies for nothing, you are describing the death of an industry.
You might not like the big media companies, I don't much like them either, but I *do* like top quality films, games, software and Tv shows, and I know they cost money to make. I certainly don't want to live ina world where mass piracy has eliminated commercial entertainment and we have to rely on home-made movies dont by people in their spare time. I'm not sure what a $100 version of Lord of The Rings looks like, but I'm pretty sure it's not as cool as the version peter jackson made.
DRM is like Democracy. Its a terrible solution, except for all the others.
as long as there are enough opponents online when you want to play, that they want to fly the planes you want to fight against, on a map you agree on, where you have suitably matching skill levels, zero lag, and he doesnt behave like a jerk..... great!
I have never even seen debian, let alone cloned whatever freeware it ships with.
weird that a critique of my games is meant to serve as explanation for my point that you are unlikely to see a CIV 5.
And actually, my games sell quite well, despite the fact that you personally would dismiss them because of the screenshots. That's fine, but like it or not, games made by indies like me are all you will have to look forward to as single player games on the PC, as more and more big names (id, funcom...) depart the platform for good due to widespread illegal copying.
I'm not sure how you can tell a games quality just by looking at a screenshot anyway. Lets be honest, bejewlled, zuma, tetris and chess, all look pretty shit in screenshots. If I want to look at pretty things, I watch a star wars movie. I play games to interact and have fun.
I see, so it works for google and linux, so lets scrap the 99.9% of established businesses that aren't on your list?
When I buy adobe photoshop, i dont need support for it, and I dont need updates. You still think they should give it to me for free?
How exactly does that work, if the income is preuly from supprot, wheres my incentive to ship a bug free product?
Stop trying to dream up a rosy business model that lets people take everything for free, it's not vaguely sustainable, at least not with the huge effort and costs put into producing software/movies at the current standard.
so all games become online games, all single player games become multiplayer. great.
kiss goodbye to flight sims
kiss goodbye to civilisation as a singleplayer game
kiss goodbye to RPGs.
cool now I can only ever enjoy video games playing against jackasses online. Somehow, I dont think this is a bright future, and we have the people who pirate games to thank for it. Cheers guys.
so how does someone writing a book do this then? "live readings" may not exactly be as profitable.
And how does this apply to people making software, movies or games?
With all other situations where people break the law, efforts are made to enforce it better. With copyright infringement, the call goes out to "change your broken business model". why?
All business models will fail if people are allowed to break the law. No shop can employ enough security to prevent everyone shoplifting at once. Show me a business model that is not dependent on the law being adhered to.
The games industry is adapting to mass piracy by abandoing the open platform that is the PC, in favour of online games and consoles. For the singleplayer RPG or flight sim fan, the way piracy has forced a 're-evaluation of the business model' is just to wipe out the entire industry. Not exactly the optimal solution for consumers.
As I said, this problem doesn't even affect me. So yes, it does work as it is supposed to and I'm very happy with it. I'm sorry if that dissapoints people, but there you go. As a windows user, I really don't care what bugs linux may or may not have. I don't see why linux users are so annoyed about bugs in an O/S they don't even use.