For all the 'what good is space research, let's kill it' crowd it'll be our success at space science that ultimately kills it dooming us all to this rock forever.
I work for a large security oriented IT company and our managed client firewalls are effectively, wide open from the inside out. We assume that anything inside is fine. This does in fact get us into trouble but it's easier to do that than re architect all our applications to work in bi directionally secure world.
they can cook up correlational excuses to raise your rates. You used to live in a big city, you travel to other states. It's not about filed rates it's about individual ratings.
Insurance companies would love to get their hands on correlated national data. They could send your premiums through the roof and circumvent all of the State insurance boards.
Like the 95% evangelical community I live among here in the Bible belt. Go ask those people, just like the rich powerful Scientologists, they whine that they're oppressed. Screw them.
I work for a large company that probably spends several tens of millions of dollars a year over and above the green dollar cost for the licenses just downloading and installing patches and fixes for an endless series of 'maybe' threats in Windows. The problem is that with all of these fixes you can't really know which are real and which are theoretical and which can be ignored and which can be mitigated some other way. We just mooooove! along like cattle installing one patch after another wasting time and money. But what if people, say end users just said "screw it Redmond" What if we made THEM the bad guys and showed them and everyone else the results of us not doing THEIR jobs for them? How screwed up would the net become? How much would just stop running? And then we could go back to Redmond and point this out, saying "Hey this is what happens when we get sick of putting up with your crap. Now feel free to fix this or let it all crash in flames. Your choice, but in either case if you want the customers you've been screwing for 27 years to contine to work for you for free - well that's not going to happen. Sorry.
My family uses NS7.2. Maybe there are some pages that don't work right. Not sure. I do know I don't want to freak anyone out by 'changing' anything. That would be a disaster.
I had a lot of trouble making Profile Manager working correctly in FF 1.5 and T-Bird so I dropped it as a replacement for their NS7.2 I thought the bloat and sluggishness in T-bird was unacceptable for a mail/NNTP reader. And if I was going for 2 seperate apps then I didn't need T-bird at all. But if the GUI differences between FF and a mail app were significant enough then it would create its own problems. Right now there's no reason to move off it but if there was I'd probably put in Seamonkey. The latest version is really a security fix for 1.0.7 but it introduces its own problems and instabilities. I might still go with 1.0.7 and not worry about the security nits so much.
Oh yes lots both internal and external sites don't work well with FF. Please don't ask me to tell the inhouse web developers to do a better job. This is a very very very large company.
NS7.2 is extremely servicable is very stable and works well. NS8 - the dumb choice they made to end the mail client just stupid.
But - FF/Thunderbird REALLY DO have their own problems.
a) Lots of bloat & overhead for both. FF/Thunderbird work ok but are sluggish. The fast launch STILL doesn't work right, combining it with the Google accelerator is even worse.
b) STILL has compatibility problems with many websites. Ergo the IE Tab extension which is an absolute necessity.
So - Seamonkey is a good middle ground. It works more or less ok, has a lower overhead than FF/Thunderbird, works like NS7.2 but allows for extensions. Now there are still lots of warts with Seamonkey but it's good enough for now.
NS8 should be bypassed as it really doesn't bring anything to the table. It's bloated and slow, doesn't have a mail client. Maybe NS9 will do........what? Exactly? Be a lot like FF? A lot like Seamonkey? I don't know.
Here is what I propose, a week of customers, consumers and users NOT fixing any MS code or intentionally avoiding any potential exploit in MS code. Let it all crash for a week and then go back to MS and suggest they work a little harder on security and a little less on marketing Vista.
Nothing will ever get fixed until MS owns the problem.
I live in NC and its been slowly evolving to an anti business stance for a while. When FedEx wanted to build a new cargo hub in the Triad, the homeowners fought it. When Dell built a center in the Triad they got hundreds of millions of dollars in tax abatements then cut the number of projected new jobs in half. The local governments are now suing them to get ALL the abatements back even if it means Dell closes up shop. NC, which is, or I guess used to be the #3 state for the motion picture industry now wants to place all kinds of restrictions on that industry in order to squeeze more money out of them. Now Google...
Ok what you have to understand about NC is that first and foremost the grassroots movement to eliminate property taxes of all kinds is very strong. This is the home of the John Locke foundation and anything that smacks of corporate benefits before homeowners is fought. So these folks would prefer if there was no business at all in NC if it means those businesses get tax breaks that they feel would be borne by homeowners.
NC killed its own furniture industry, its own textile industry and is working to kill the tech industries and health science, biomedical science industries too. I think what they ultimately want for NC is to have an economy based entirely on selling real estate and insurance to each other, and Wal*Mart and Home Depot.
As opposed to any other reason they dont support?
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Anyone who commits to Vista before its obvious which apps MS intends to kill or pollute is a fool. iTunes won't be the last one or even the biggest problem. MS has a long history of releasing an OS and THEN months later coming clean that such and such app or database or device interface really doesn't work and really never will.
That requires ever bigger CPU's and then pays off Dell to purchase the CPU's. Seems like reasonable free market capitalism to me. I can't imagine why the Libertarians here would object to that. They're just competing differently.
Sorry but I'm not the kind of person to just spend hundreds of dollars on a phone for the sole purpose of a workaround. And when they have 30, 60, 80GB phones, unless and until the carrier allows them to be used to their fullest I won't get one. They are of course all free to go broke marketing them to me though.
Between the political hacks and cronies and the flat out retarded voters, it doesn't seem to matter how you tally the non-votes in Florida. I say they just put it up for a lottery.
Some employers are complete dipshits. You should make sure what if anything they plan on suing you for. If they're really vindictive they could be suing you for theft of trade secrets or confidential information. It doesn't have to be true but it could really fuck with your life. And, if it winds up that your new employer rescinds their offer and you can't be employed then all the selfrighteous prattling in the world isn't going to do much for you. I would take all threats of legal action by an ex employer very very seriously. I would get a lawyer to at least correspond with them to find out what's what.
I have 5 phones in my house that all in theory have the ability to mate with my PC to do 'something'. But here's the funny part. Only one does and only through Bluetooth and only in a very limited way. The rest, well you can BUY a cable to connect them but in fact there is no software in existence in the world that can make any use of it. Not even the 'software' you can buy with the cable. All it can do, and this is a crapshoot at best, is sometimes enable your cell phone to be a modem.
Carriers specify that all the other features be crippled because they want you to use THEIR services. Why synch jpegs with your PC when you can PAY to use picturemail? Why download ringtones when you can BUY them.
So let's just put away these bullshit promises already. Phones do what carriers allow them to do. Does anyone seriously believe that with a 30GB harddrive that the carriers won't DEMAND you down load all your content from them? Does anyone seriously believe that there will ever be PDA-like software that can sync the phone to the PC? Stop smoking weed, please.
Print in great big letters on the box so that even a consumer can understand it: "This will wipe out whatever is on your computer already by default. If you don't know what 'Default' means, please look it up or get someone to help you."
I know we all laugh at crazy warning labels but let's get serious for a moment.
While many here are advocating wholesale swaps to OSS applications on both the client and server side that wasn't the author's issue nor is it remotely feasible for many of us. That's really THE problem - that's there not entirely wholesome client side replacement for all those Corporate apps we all are, for better or worse, STUCK WITH. I mean much as I'd like to go to our CIO (I don't even know who that is, really) of our 400,000 person global firm and tell him/her "See here ya ijyut, what you need to do is rip out this billion dollar infrastructure and do it right with Linux...." They'd have Smithers unleash the hounds before I got to the door.
In other words, it's an interoperability problem more than anything else. I'm sure Groupwise and Zimbra and all the others do as good or poor a job as MS apps. Doesn't matter. And since vendor lock-in is what MS is all about, don't expect them to embrace interoperability.
We have tried here to develop a Linux client for years. It's been insanely slow. The applications are very hard to mate and to get to work exactly the same. And, the support infrastructure has to be in place as well. Recently we got the last piece in the applications integration puzzle with Lotus Notes but it's still difficult to the clients running on all the different platforms. Almost ready for primtetime but not quite. Between Wine or VM and native code it's just about there. But I wouldn't recommend anyone try to build a new client infrastructure to mate with their server side unless they were ready to spend gobs of money and time.
Yeah but it's irrelevant. I don't want to babysit the installation so I don't forget to specify the timezone on installation step 132-b and all of the other silly interruptions randomly disbursed through the process. On the other hand the sometimes LONG LONG CHORE of specifying every nit like some Linux distros want is just insipid. don't ask me to choose the order of the disk paritions. I don't really care about a great deal of it. And to be fair, we should be able to run any number of complex post-install config scripts easily in order to tweak everything the way we need. In fact, all of that post install material should run from a second storage medium, a thumb drive during the first post installation boot, unattended.
So in terms of installation, it really needs to be as direct as possible. Then, when it's done and it's completed all of its Microsoftish things; products key, main drivers, disk format (if required, don't make me wait around to respond), wiping out the old gorp and such, then popup config stuff to your heart's content.
Five years, a couple of hundred million dollars and they still do installs like it's 1989?
Dear Redmond;
A few tips on how modern install media should work:
1) Ask no questions except to put in the install key upfront. Run everything else with basic assumptions. Run the config AFTER installation.
2) Allow for the easy and well documented input of a param file to create an install script on the fly.
3) Do a hardware seek FIRST instead of preloading every old SCSI driver and whatnot. Look, you guys do a bad job of supporting that stuff anyway, so why bother?
4) Provide a tool to EASILY and automatically move the install CD to a thumb drive and install from there. We are building machines that have neither floppy drives nor CD drives either.
5) For god's sake provide some kind of reasonably good toolset to recover a drive from an alternate boot medium. Enough is enough already that your OS 'can't run' from Boot Floppies and whatnot to run critical tools like fixboot and fixmbr. Just write some damn tools that DO work. Or write a console that runs in toto from some source other than the install CD which many of us NEVER GET.
6) Learn to work with LILO already. Would it actually kill you?
7) Look at a calendar. This is 2007, start acting like there's been some improvement in installation tools in the last 20 years.
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Of course the IT guys are going to be the ones breaking the IT systems. It's axiomatic.
Good job Redmond, kill your early adopters and sell your software only to the lockstep upgrade crowd.
For all the 'what good is space research, let's kill it' crowd it'll be our success at space science that ultimately kills it dooming us all to this rock forever.
I work for a large security oriented IT company and our managed client firewalls are effectively, wide open from the inside out. We assume that anything inside is fine. This does in fact get us into trouble but it's easier to do that than re architect all our applications to work in bi directionally secure world.
they can cook up correlational excuses to raise your rates. You used to live in a big city, you travel to other states. It's not about filed rates it's about individual ratings.
Insurance companies would love to get their hands on correlated national data. They could send your premiums through the roof and circumvent all of the State insurance boards.
Like the 95% evangelical community I live among here in the Bible belt. Go ask those people, just like the rich powerful Scientologists, they whine that they're oppressed. Screw them.
I work for a large company that probably spends several tens of millions of dollars a year over and above the green dollar cost for the licenses just downloading and installing patches and fixes for an endless series of 'maybe' threats in Windows. The problem is that with all of these fixes you can't really know which are real and which are theoretical and which can be ignored and which can be mitigated some other way. We just mooooove! along like cattle installing one patch after another wasting time and money. But what if people, say end users just said "screw it Redmond" What if we made THEM the bad guys and showed them and everyone else the results of us not doing THEIR jobs for them? How screwed up would the net become? How much would just stop running? And then we could go back to Redmond and point this out, saying "Hey this is what happens when we get sick of putting up with your crap. Now feel free to fix this or let it all crash in flames. Your choice, but in either case if you want the customers you've been screwing for 27 years to contine to work for you for free - well that's not going to happen. Sorry.
My family uses NS7.2. Maybe there are some pages that don't work right. Not sure. I do know I don't want to freak anyone out by 'changing' anything. That would be a disaster.
I had a lot of trouble making Profile Manager working correctly in FF 1.5 and T-Bird so I dropped it as a replacement for their NS7.2 I thought the bloat and sluggishness in T-bird was unacceptable for a mail/NNTP reader. And if I was going for 2 seperate apps then I didn't need T-bird at all. But if the GUI differences between FF and a mail app were significant enough then it would create its own problems. Right now there's no reason to move off it but if there was I'd probably put in Seamonkey. The latest version is really a security fix for 1.0.7 but it introduces its own problems and instabilities. I might still go with 1.0.7 and not worry about the security nits so much.
Oh yes lots both internal and external sites don't work well with FF. Please don't ask me to tell the inhouse web developers to do a better job. This is a very very very large company.
NS7.2 is extremely servicable is very stable and works well. NS8 - the dumb choice they made to end the mail client just stupid.
But - FF/Thunderbird REALLY DO have their own problems.
a) Lots of bloat & overhead for both. FF/Thunderbird work ok but are sluggish. The fast launch STILL doesn't work right, combining it with the Google accelerator is even worse.
b) STILL has compatibility problems with many websites. Ergo the IE Tab extension which is an absolute necessity.
So - Seamonkey is a good middle ground. It works more or less ok, has a lower overhead than FF/Thunderbird, works like NS7.2 but allows for extensions. Now there are still lots of warts with Seamonkey but it's good enough for now.
NS8 should be bypassed as it really doesn't bring anything to the table. It's bloated and slow, doesn't have a mail client. Maybe NS9 will do........what? Exactly? Be a lot like FF? A lot like Seamonkey? I don't know.
Here is what I propose, a week of customers, consumers and users NOT fixing any MS code or intentionally avoiding any potential exploit in MS code. Let it all crash for a week and then go back to MS and suggest they work a little harder on security and a little less on marketing Vista.
Nothing will ever get fixed until MS owns the problem.
I live in NC and its been slowly evolving to an anti business stance for a while. When FedEx wanted to build a new cargo hub in the Triad, the homeowners fought it. When Dell built a center in the Triad they got hundreds of millions of dollars in tax abatements then cut the number of projected new jobs in half. The local governments are now suing them to get ALL the abatements back even if it means Dell closes up shop. NC, which is, or I guess used to be the #3 state for the motion picture industry now wants to place all kinds of restrictions on that industry in order to squeeze more money out of them. Now Google...
Ok what you have to understand about NC is that first and foremost the grassroots movement to eliminate property taxes of all kinds is very strong. This is the home of the John Locke foundation and anything that smacks of corporate benefits before homeowners is fought. So these folks would prefer if there was no business at all in NC if it means those businesses get tax breaks that they feel would be borne by homeowners.
NC killed its own furniture industry, its own textile industry and is working to kill the tech industries and health science, biomedical science industries too. I think what they ultimately want for NC is to have an economy based entirely on selling real estate and insurance to each other, and Wal*Mart and Home Depot.
Anyone who commits to Vista before its obvious which apps MS intends to kill or pollute is a fool. iTunes won't be the last one or even the biggest problem. MS has a long history of releasing an OS and THEN months later coming clean that such and such app or database or device interface really doesn't work and really never will.
That requires ever bigger CPU's and then pays off Dell to purchase the CPU's. Seems like reasonable free market capitalism to me. I can't imagine why the Libertarians here would object to that. They're just competing differently.
Sorry but I'm not the kind of person to just spend hundreds of dollars on a phone for the sole purpose of a workaround. And when they have 30, 60, 80GB phones, unless and until the carrier allows them to be used to their fullest I won't get one. They are of course all free to go broke marketing them to me though.
Between the political hacks and cronies and the flat out retarded voters, it doesn't seem to matter how you tally the non-votes in Florida. I say they just put it up for a lottery.
Some employers are complete dipshits. You should make sure what if anything they plan on suing you for. If they're really vindictive they could be suing you for theft of trade secrets or confidential information. It doesn't have to be true but it could really fuck with your life. And, if it winds up that your new employer rescinds their offer and you can't be employed then all the selfrighteous prattling in the world isn't going to do much for you. I would take all threats of legal action by an ex employer very very seriously. I would get a lawyer to at least correspond with them to find out what's what.
I have 5 phones in my house that all in theory have the ability to mate with my PC to do 'something'. But here's the funny part. Only one does and only through Bluetooth and only in a very limited way. The rest, well you can BUY a cable to connect them but in fact there is no software in existence in the world that can make any use of it. Not even the 'software' you can buy with the cable. All it can do, and this is a crapshoot at best, is sometimes enable your cell phone to be a modem.
Carriers specify that all the other features be crippled because they want you to use THEIR services. Why synch jpegs with your PC when you can PAY to use picturemail? Why download ringtones when you can BUY them.
So let's just put away these bullshit promises already. Phones do what carriers allow them to do. Does anyone seriously believe that with a 30GB harddrive that the carriers won't DEMAND you down load all your content from them? Does anyone seriously believe that there will ever be PDA-like software that can sync the phone to the PC? Stop smoking weed, please.
Print in great big letters on the box so that even a consumer can understand it: "This will wipe out whatever is on your computer already by default. If you don't know what 'Default' means, please look it up or get someone to help you."
I know we all laugh at crazy warning labels but let's get serious for a moment.
While many here are advocating wholesale swaps to OSS applications on both the client and server side that wasn't the author's issue nor is it remotely feasible for many of us. That's really THE problem - that's there not entirely wholesome client side replacement for all those Corporate apps we all are, for better or worse, STUCK WITH. I mean much as I'd like to go to our CIO (I don't even know who that is, really) of our 400,000 person global firm and tell him/her "See here ya ijyut, what you need to do is rip out this billion dollar infrastructure and do it right with Linux...." They'd have Smithers unleash the hounds before I got to the door.
In other words, it's an interoperability problem more than anything else. I'm sure Groupwise and Zimbra and all the others do as good or poor a job as MS apps. Doesn't matter. And since vendor lock-in is what MS is all about, don't expect them to embrace interoperability.
We have tried here to develop a Linux client for years. It's been insanely slow. The applications are very hard to mate and to get to work exactly the same. And, the support infrastructure has to be in place as well. Recently we got the last piece in the applications integration puzzle with Lotus Notes but it's still difficult to the clients running on all the different platforms. Almost ready for primtetime but not quite. Between Wine or VM and native code it's just about there. But I wouldn't recommend anyone try to build a new client infrastructure to mate with their server side unless they were ready to spend gobs of money and time.
No not unless you're a high end user. For the vast majority of the world that's simply not the case.
Yeah but it's irrelevant. I don't want to babysit the installation so I don't forget to specify the timezone on installation step 132-b and all of the other silly interruptions randomly disbursed through the process. On the other hand the sometimes LONG LONG CHORE of specifying every nit like some Linux distros want is just insipid. don't ask me to choose the order of the disk paritions. I don't really care about a great deal of it. And to be fair, we should be able to run any number of complex post-install config scripts easily in order to tweak everything the way we need. In fact, all of that post install material should run from a second storage medium, a thumb drive during the first post installation boot, unattended.
So in terms of installation, it really needs to be as direct as possible. Then, when it's done and it's completed all of its Microsoftish things; products key, main drivers, disk format (if required, don't make me wait around to respond), wiping out the old gorp and such, then popup config stuff to your heart's content.
Five years, a couple of hundred million dollars and they still do installs like it's 1989?
Dear Redmond;
A few tips on how modern install media should work:
1) Ask no questions except to put in the install key upfront. Run everything else with basic assumptions. Run the config AFTER installation.
2) Allow for the easy and well documented input of a param file to create an install script on the fly.
3) Do a hardware seek FIRST instead of preloading every old SCSI driver and whatnot. Look, you guys do a bad job of supporting that stuff anyway, so why bother?
4) Provide a tool to EASILY and automatically move the install CD to a thumb drive and install from there. We are building machines that have neither floppy drives nor CD drives either.
5) For god's sake provide some kind of reasonably good toolset to recover a drive from an alternate boot medium. Enough is enough already that your OS 'can't run' from Boot Floppies and whatnot to run critical tools like fixboot and fixmbr. Just write some damn tools that DO work. Or write a console that runs in toto from some source other than the install CD which many of us NEVER GET.
6) Learn to work with LILO already. Would it actually kill you?
7) Look at a calendar. This is 2007, start acting like there's been some improvement in installation tools in the last 20 years.
Because you know, it's not about the spirit of the game or whatever that's supposed to mean.