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Study Show Link Between IT Sabotage, Work Behavior

narramissic writes "According to recent research by the U.S. military and CERT, workers who sabotage corporate systems are almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly."

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  1. An ounce of prevention by suso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Interesting article. Unfortunately since most companies never wise up about security, its probably in the companies best interest to recognize the needs of IT workers instead of being even more paranoid about them. I used to work as a system administrator at a company where most of us where disgruntled due to the lack of progress of the company and poor leadership, then things got worse when the new owner of the company stopped trusting the admins for no good reason. This created a situation where long time employees started taking the attitude of "This company wouldn't survive for a month without me here". Amazingly, companies like this do survive the departure of their best employees.

    1. Re:An ounce of prevention by qzulla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Survive or become successful? A major difference.

      qz

    2. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who cares if they are disgruntled... I got a new company BMW 7 series for my 1st quarter bonus~ Does your company give out a "sociopathic manager of the year" award, too?

      Don't worry. I guarantee you'll regret being such an jerk to people when you're passing middle age and you've got mountains of "stuff" to your name but not a real friend in the world.
    3. Re:An ounce of prevention by bladesjester · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The following exerpt from the article is pretty telling:
      Macleod concluded: "So as far as doing the right thing, I'd suggest that you start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk to your organization's security, and if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs of an impending attack."

      Basically, if management accuses IT of being a huge risk, and their IT staff is actually honest and dependable, should they stand up for themselves, that's a sign that you should trust them even less??

      Give me a freaking break.

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    4. Re:An ounce of prevention by tacocat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is bunk.

      How many disgruntled Automotive Industries went on a shooting spree and NEVER gave any signs? Most. Same for the classic Postal Workers...

      And what about the guy in Office Space?

    5. Re:An ounce of prevention by suso · · Score: 1

      And what about the guy in Office Space?

      Oh come on, that company must have sent out about a million memos.

    6. Re:An ounce of prevention by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You should assume witches are the biggest risk to your organizational security.

      If any of the witches in your organization denies being a witch, remember that arguing with colleagues about it is one of the clear signs of impending witchcraft.

    7. Re:An ounce of prevention by inphorm · · Score: 0

      And some companies don't. I was in a certain company, that will remain unnamed, they treated their IT staff really crap, paid really crap, put closed circuit cameras pointed at the IT staff, not the servers and generally accused us for everything that went wrong in the company. No surprise there was a really high turn over of staff.

      The day I finally gave in and resigned (14 months after starting there) the Network Admin and Systems Admin both resigned too. We did nothing to sabotage anything, the company went broke about a month after we left, the people who came in and bought it are still trying to pick up the pieces a year later.

      - paul

      http://www.paulpichugin.com.au/

    8. Re:An ounce of prevention by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      I'm Taoist. Does that count? =]

      Don't start in on blade weilding maniacs either. I've trained martially since I was a kid :P

      Thankfully I seem to be a relatively well adjusted individual.

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    9. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL!!!! Grand parent and parent are pissfunny!

    10. Re:An ounce of prevention by suso · · Score: 1

      but if you have stuff, you WILL make friends.

      But as the grandparent said, not a real friend.

    11. Re:An ounce of prevention by maetenloch · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is bunk. How many disgruntled Automotive Industries went on a shooting spree and NEVER gave any signs? Most. Same for the classic Postal Workers... And what about the guy in Office Space?
      Actually when they've investigated, it turns almost every disgruntled shooter DID give signs beforehand. It was just that most co-workers, manager, and neighbors ignored the signs or were clueless that they were significant. People almost never just 'snap' and become violent - usually there's a predictable series of escalating steps that they go through before that point. There's an excellent book, "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin De Becker, that goes into how to predict who will become violent at work. One of his main points is that when we find someone 'creepy', it's actually an early warning system that they're likely to be a danger. However due to social conditioning, people usually ignore their gut feelings which is a mistake. He also helped develop the model that the Secret Service uses to decide whether people who have made threats are probably harmless or likely to eventually commit violence.
    12. Re:An ounce of prevention by fredrated · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      People will hang out with you as long as you have stuff, but none of them will be friends.

    13. Re:An ounce of prevention by kimvette · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, you must be one of those new SCO employees!

      http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/0 6/21/1537215

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    14. Re:An ounce of prevention by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but they forgot to include cover sheets. . .

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    15. Re:An ounce of prevention by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't worry. I guarantee you'll regret being such an jerk to people when you're passing middle age and you've got mountains of "stuff" to your name but not a real friend in the world.

      That's not the choice. People of this makeup chose between having lots of stuff and no friend versus having few things and no friends. Maybe they'll wise up enough to regret being a jerk, but it's not a given IMHO.
    16. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have no friends that would have your back in a bar fight, I feel very sorry for you.

    17. Re:An ounce of prevention by GuyverDH · · Score: 1

      You'll also be the first target for the disgruntled employee who decides to go postal.

      Life expectancy of a fucking dumb ass playing at IT management, and then bragging about it? Roughly 3 femtoseconds.

      So go ahead - collect all your "stuff", and lose your friends (if you ever had any).
      Oh and btw, you CAN'T take it with you.

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    18. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is a very rare thing, and its nice to see people that actually stick their necks out to help. However, pretty much everyone I have known will desert anyone in their social group if that person has issues. In almost every bar fight I've witnessed, usually someone's "close friends" will desert them at a moment's notice, not saying a single thing to the police or lawyers afterwards, or lifting a finger if it means any risk to themselves.

      If its a cluster of "true friends", or a car that works day in and day out, I'll take the car. The previous poster's BMW will still start and take him places if he goes unemployed. Friends won't.

      I give people respect as its part of being a professional. However I can count on being able to buy my lunch tomorrow with money; I cannot do the same with friends.

    19. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is pretty naive. If you consider yourself someone who has lots of "friends", ask yourself how many are actually there because they like you, or are there because you pay their way. Make sure not to confuse the two, because its easy to do. Ask yourself how many will look the other way if someone at a club slams their fist into your jaw. I will bet that almost everyone, even people considered "best friends" will claim to police they never saw a single thing.

      Don't get deluded you can rely on anyone but yourself when times get tough. Pack your own parachute.

      This thread is digressing, but appearances matter. Yes, you can't take it with you, but one has to be real and not live in a fantasy world. For example, jobs. With two similar resumes, who is going to be taken for a position, the guy with tons of buds and a crappy car, or the professionally-dressed guy who has a neat, clean Hummer who will display a professional, corporate image for that company? If its a company who is any way going to be around in five years, it will be the guy with the H2.

    20. Re:An ounce of prevention by eMbry00s · · Score: 1

      Had somebody taken time to care about the guy in office space, they would immediately have recognised "signs". This is purely anecdotal, though, and doesn't necessarily apply to real life. I myself think that people without reasonable goals to strive for (long, short, mid term) are the only ones likely to go kahoots.

    21. Re:An ounce of prevention by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      i pity you.

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    22. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're seeing this through the prism of television news reports and a fictional movie. I'm not actually sure if you were serious about this absolute statement, or just trying to be funny.

      There is little reason for an office coworker or an office manager to talk about the real reasons behind a shooting spree, especially to the press. By that time, the shooter has already killed himself or the DA already has a slam-dunk case against him. Admitting there were signs of a looming crisis could potentially expose the company to liability for not having taken action, it could potentially get the person doing the talking fired, and/or whatever information that comes to light could potentially embarrass the company/the coworkers/the actual people who got shot.

    23. Re:An ounce of prevention by Miguelito · · Score: 1

      Really.. talk about just sad. I've never been sappy or anything, but I do have a couple of really good friends that I know I can count on and who know they can count on me. We're as close as brothers, if not closer, and material things never come between us.

      We've all helped each other out through hard times, including driving each other places or helping each other with money when needed, contrary to what some are saying here.

      I don't have a huge circle of friends, nor am very openly social, but even I have a few great friends. I wonder how bad your personality must be, or how completely unreliable you are to not have anyone that close. I love material things too, but friends still come first.

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    24. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he's unemployed, a repo man will come, start his BMW and take it places...

      I think this thread stretches too long over (unspoken though) dispute over definition of a "friend" and/or existence of such phenomenon described by one of the definitions. For me (in my language), friend is not identical meaning to acquaintance.

      However, since the friends are like the teeth: you gain them once, you lose them along the path of your life if you don't care them, it is not unusual for people to have none. It is not unusual for some people to think they have plenty of friends from time to time, either. Least but not last it is not unusual for some people to push you to accept them for friends and to even get offended if you don't.

      It is good to have friends. It is a pity if you have none. It is a torment to have to suffer false or forced "friendships". In lack of friends, I'd take BMW over "friends" any day, but I would NEVER EVER trade a friend for a car.

      Now, people change. Sometimes you think they changed when in fact it is you who changed. Most people get restless when they make a success. It is an awkward feeling. They wish to remain good with their friends, but feel uneasy because they cannot REALLY share their success with their friends and project own insecurity and irrational guilt ("We are not alike anymore... will they still like me?") on them ("They envy me").

      Sometimes, good persons try to help their friends, to share their own success with friends by drowning them in favors (things) that friends can never afford to return. That makes friends feel bad about themselves and then friends project their own bad feelings back ("He became such a snob..."). I guess protestant morality and virtue of modesty make sense in this cases after all. Enjoy your wealth, but don't parade it in your friends' faces... if you fancy having friends. Even in case they don't dump you and they remain true friends, you'll push them into misery of "get rich quick" frenzy which will screw their lives. And for what we know, all humans have a need for friends, a need which, if unsatisfied, leads to surrogate usage, resulting in falling victim to all sorts of personal losses, professional cons, bad marriages, carrier back stabs, STD infections, even criminal involvements.

    25. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So go ahead - collect all your "stuff", and lose your friends (if you ever had any).
      Oh and btw, you CAN'T take it with you.

      You can't take your friends with you, either.
    26. Re:An ounce of prevention by CmdrGravy · · Score: 1

      You must lead a pretty miserable existance but I think you need to realise that not everyone is like you, a lot of the rest of us have friends who'd stick up for us in bar fights or pretty much any other situation we may find ourselves in.

      Personally I have known most of my friends for over 20 years and see a lot of them at least a couple of times a week, they are not fair weather friends by any means and during those 20 years a lot of peoples lives have gone in pretty diverse directions so some of them are groundsmen where other manage insurance firms yet these social differences do not affect the friendships at all.

      You probably need to ask yourself why some people can find genuine, real, friendships and yet you can't rather than attempting to judge other peoples situations through your own, obviously jaded, experiences.

    27. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of his main points is that when we find someone 'creepy', it's actually an early warning system that they're likely to be a danger.

      Sounds like your typical asshat observation that I'd expect from a "consultant" who gets paid to generate specious bullshit. Here's a clue for Mr. Becker, and you if you believe him... people who don't fit in GET OSTRACIZED by morons like Becker. When you push someone out, when you accept that other people treat them poorly because they are different... then you create the conditions which breeds revenge.

      It doesn't matter who it is. Little Miss popular would do the same in a different environment -- in fact, she'd be more likely to do it because she's not used to being excluded.

    28. Re:An ounce of prevention by june_c21 · · Score: 1

      interesting topic. i think it is up to the individual themselves to control their behaviour.

    29. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find the above article writer to be creepy. Arrest him before he kills us ALL!!!!

    30. Re:An ounce of prevention by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      The previous poster's BMW will still start and take him places if he goes unemployed. Friends won't. Friends will take him places in their car when his BMW (or Toyota, or whatever car he fancies...) is in repairs. Yes, even places that might carry the risk of a bar fight ;-)

      Friends will use their connections to help him find a job, if in need. And lend him money to help him through difficult times, until he finds a job (or a better paying job).

    31. Re:An ounce of prevention by db32 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uhm...most people do give warning signs, the fact that they are ignored doesn't mean they weren't there. Of coarse everyone interviewed says "Well he seemed nice and stable, we had no idea" That is likely because they didn't talk to that person more than the bare minimum required to get the job done. As aweful of a concept as it seems to be these days, its called getting involved with your people. It IS the supervisors responsibility to know more about his subordinates than just job performance, its called leadership, as opposed to management. You manage things, you lead people.

      The funny thing is, this same mentality rears its ugly head EVERYWHERE. Kids on drugs, doing pornos, running away, violent crimes...are the video games the problem or uninvolved parents? Have you ever lived in a neighborhood where everyone was at least familiar with eachother and the norms for the area? (Who is that guy driving around..., Wasn't little johnny over there a minute ago?, I thought the Smith's were on vacation.) If I did something stupid somewhere my parents knew about it by the time I got home.

      Get involved with the people around you, you would be surprised what you will learn about them. It is no surprise it is getting worse, uninvolved parents teach their kids to be uninvolved too. Uninvolved supervisors teach their subordinates to be uninvolved. Its a cascading thing.

      FYI, that guy in Office Space was an actor, so really the signs of him losing it were the script telling him to lose it. But Falling Down is another good movie along those lines anyways :)

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    32. Re:An ounce of prevention by Opie812 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can't take your friends with you, either.

      I am. (Don't tell them that though...they may not go for the idea)

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    33. Re:An ounce of prevention by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And what about cause and effect?

      If you've got the kind of work environment that disgruntles and demotivates your employees, it's vastly more likely that one of them will be pissed off enough to steal from the company.

      I'd never do something as unprofessional as sabotage, but I've worked for companies before that made me "disgruntled" and "paranoid". Praise invariably passing up the chain and blame dripping downwards will do that to an organisation. Given this it's hardly surprising that demotivated people will "generally show up late" and "generally perform poorly". And if you're trying to do your best but your company culture mandates inefficiency and second-best alternatives, damn straight any professional worth his salt is going to "argue with colleagues" who dictate it should be done the way it's always been done rather than the way it should be done.

      But, of course, these warning signs are clearly the telltale signs of impending sabotage which warrants clamping down harder on the unhappy employee... and not... say... signs your management style and company culture is so fucked that you'd better sort it out soon or everyone's going to need watching.

      Kind of reminds me about how poor parenting, easy access to weapons and a terrible high-school culture lead to Columbine, but it was the trenchcoats and Metallica t-shirts which bore the brunt of the outrage and paranoia afterwards.

      Hmmm.

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    34. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many disgruntled Automotive Industries went on a shooting spree and NEVER gave any signs? Most. Same for the classic Postal Workers...
      It's already been pointed out that this is an urban legend. I just wanted to add that the first postal worker to go postal had been nicknamed "Crazy Ed" by his co-workers long before he snapped.

    35. Re:An ounce of prevention by sasdrtx · · Score: 1

      Too often these "signs" are merely after-the-fact jumping to conclusions.

      Every attribute or trait that is "different" about the perpetrator is assumed to be an "indicator" of the impending bad behavior. Even though thousands of other people with the same "differences" do not go over the edge or become pathological.

      I love Firefox spell-check.

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    36. Re:An ounce of prevention by dukefs · · Score: 1

      From what I've experienced, most holes in the system that would allow that are problems with management policy. We've been lucky here in that we haven't had any cases of a disgruntled employee raising a little hell when they leave, and most folks here have the knowledge to do it -- it's a tech support company. In the last 6 months, we've finally been able to convince managers to let us at LEAST fill in some basic security holes. Prior to this, for example: - Every user was given the same password on a new account, with no forced change or expiry - Accounts were left active (with VPN access) for one month after termination, "just in case" - Every user is added to the local administrator group on their machine - No BIOS lockdown (I've had users building their own machine images) Most of us that were getting annoyed were a result of fixing other random issues that arose from above... People installing BitTorrent and Limewire and work and hammering the firewall with them can be a bit of an issue. Thankfully, we've had some management changes. All it took was for us to sit with the new managers, explain the issues, and most importantly, WHY these are problems. Most managers don't have the technical knowledge to understand why certain problems are problems, and most technicians don't have the ability (or patience) to talk to a manager at a level they can understand.

    37. Re:An ounce of prevention by khallow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is pretty naive.

      Maybe you ought to get some experience first. I can't say much about the rest of the paragraph, but it sounds to me like your friends don't tirelessly work to bail you out of problems of your own making (eg, bar fights).

      Don't get deluded you can rely on anyone but yourself when times get tough. Pack your own parachute.

      Good advice, but we don't only want friends around when times get tough.

      For example, jobs. With two similar resumes, who is going to be taken for a position, the guy with tons of buds and a crappy car, or the professionally-dressed guy who has a neat, clean Hummer who will display a professional, corporate image for that company? If its a company who is any way going to be around in five years, it will be the guy with the H2.

      My take is that the professional-dressed guy with a crappy car and tons of buds probably will present a better professional, corporate image than the professionally-dressed basket case with the H2 who somehow can't manage to make and keep friends. The term for it is "communication skills".
    38. Re:An ounce of prevention by benzapp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One of his main points is that when we find someone 'creepy', it's actually an early warning system that they're likely to be a danger. However due to social conditioning, people usually ignore their gut feelings which is a mistake. He also helped develop the model that the Secret Service uses to decide whether people who have made threats are probably harmless or likely to eventually commit violence.

      It's deeper than that. This is fundamentally due to the religion of absolute egalitarianism.

      Think about it, "the creepy guy" is likely to not have a strong chance of being violent. I've known many creepy guys in various jobs, and to my knowledge, none of them are criminals let alone violent ones.

      Yet, 25% of black males between the ages of 18 and 35 are convicted felons. If you walk down the street and encouter a young black man, there is a strong chance he really IS a criminal. Yet, how many people reading this absolute truth feel the urge to accuse me of racism?

      The belief that prejudice is wrong has moved into every facit of life - we are enthralled with devotion to the ideal that people are innocent until proven guilty.

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    39. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's the "+1 Troll" gone when you need it?

    40. Re:An ounce of prevention by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Yet, 25% of black males between the ages of 18 and 35 are convicted felons. If you walk down the street and encouter a young black man, there is a strong chance he really IS a criminal. Yet, how many people reading this absolute truth feel the urge to accuse me of racism?


      Keep in mind that 75% of black males between the ages of 18 and 35 are NOT convicted felons! If you assume that the young black guy walking towards you is out to mug you, you'll be wrong 3/4 of the time.
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    41. Re:An ounce of prevention by altek · · Score: 1

      Fair enough... BUT

      What do you DO when someone is 'creepy' and you suspect that they might be thinking of offing everyone in the cubes around them? I mean you can't really take action on that. It's not like you can get them fired for "being creepy" and that's probably only going to set them off.

      Plus, there are SO many 'disgruntled' employees, who exhibit all of the signs listed (poor performance, always angry, etc etc) that how are you going to know which one will snap? Of course, I work in a large company of around 5000 employees, so it would be different if there were only 10 employees, but then in a small company people are probably a lot less likely to get disgruntled because they wouldn't feel as under appreciated or at least not as alienated...

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    42. Re:An ounce of prevention by kabocox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't worry. I guarantee you'll regret being such an jerk to people when you're passing middle age and you've got mountains of "stuff" to your name but not a real friend in the world.

      Um, who said that his employees had to be his friends? He could have alot of outside of work friends with the same habits or toys that he has. His employees won't belong to his social set. Friends in his social circle could help in job leads or networking contacts that could help a family member start off making more than his employees ever will. Is this fair? Yeap, it is how humans have always worked. It's the expected norm that friends and family of your peer group help out your peer group while using other peer groups as needed. Don't tell me that you don't keep an ear out for your family or friends and would rather they start off making more money than the same person in India or China. How is one peer group helping its self different from any peer group helping its self. Let's face it. IT folks in general don't have the aptitude to use networking contacts to max out our income with social effort. This is why we get pissed when we see those that do have that ability making more than us or leading us. They aren't better than us. They have and use better social contacts to get where they are.

    43. Re:An ounce of prevention by xappax · · Score: 1

      However due to social conditioning, people usually ignore their gut feelings which is a mistake. He also helped develop the model that the Secret Service uses to decide whether people who have made threats are probably harmless or likely to eventually commit violence.

      You mean the good old "race/religion-checklist"? :)

      I'm mostly kidding, but it's definitely undeniable that people's "gut feelings" are very often influenced by totally absurd stuff - both towards feeling comfortable when they shouldn't, and feeling uncomfortable when things are ok.

      A large body of psychology and sociology will back this up. "Gut feelings" are basically attitudes that people have that they cannot rationalize. We get these feelings from things like television ads, being in large mobs (especially religious gatherings), or dealing with people who have certain social cues. For example, seeing someone in a police or doctor's outfit may cause a "gut feeling" of trust even if they don't act particularly trustworthy, whereas seeing the same person dressed like hobo will give a totally different feeling.

      Essentially, gut feelings are prejudicial - they are reflections of our biases based on the subconscious associations we have with certain cues. Sometimes, it's undeniable that these cues turn out to be useful, but much of the time they're the reflection of backwards and silly shit like racism, fear of the unknown, and reflexive respect for authority figures. So maybe totally ignoring them isn't good, but odds are your "gut feelings" are wrong most of the time, and should be interpreted skeptically.

    44. Re:An ounce of prevention by xappax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yet, 25% of black males between the ages of 18 and 35 are convicted felons....there is a strong chance he really IS a criminal.

      I can't back this up with a study (you didn't back your stat up, so it's fair game), but it seems obvious that people who post to Slashdot are several TIMES more likely to be involved in computer crime than the average American (they have a high degree of technical knowledge, and often an outsider social perspective). So I agree. Let's do away with all of this "innocent until proven guilty" shit and start seizing some Slashdotter's computers!

      I mean why should we be worried about the fact that we're being prejudiced against a group of people who are mostly innocent? The fact is that they're probabilisticly guilty because of who they are (or what sites they visit), and it's a lot easier to just assume they're guilty than wait for them to actually commit an offense. So maybe some innocent people end up getting treated like criminals because of what messageboards they post to - but come on, the alternative is having to assume everyone is innocent (regardless of whether we like them or not) unless we have actual evidence of wrongdoing!

    45. Re:An ounce of prevention by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

      How does one know the benefit of friendship if for most of his life he has no friends?

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    46. Re:An ounce of prevention by operagost · · Score: 1

      Do you mean the stapler guy or Peter and his "Superman III" scheme? Peter stopped showing up for work and the stapler guy wasn't even on the payroll! That's a pretty big sign!

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    47. Re:An ounce of prevention by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      And what about the guy in Office Space?

      What about him? He's an arguer, he's a problem, and several of his conversations that no one bothered to listen to ended with "I'm going to burn down the building."

      I'd say he fits the mold pretty well. And I only even read the fine summary.

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    48. Re:An ounce of prevention by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      My take is that the professional-dressed guy with a crappy car and tons of buds probably will present a better professional, corporate image than the professionally-dressed basket case with the H2 who somehow can't manage to make and keep friends. The term for it is "communication skills".

      On the other hand, that profesionally-dressed guy may just be a sociopath, and he can't keep friends because he treats people like garbage.

      In other words, he's on the fast-track to upper management...

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    49. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Who cares if they are disgruntled... I got a new company BMW 7 series for my 1st quarter bonus~

      UGH! What a slap in the face. Bloated and unreliable
      See if you can trade it in for an M6 or a Z4M with change.

    50. Re:An ounce of prevention by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Oh and btw, you CAN'T take it with you.

      How do you know, have you been there?

      Maybe the Egyptians were right.

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    51. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Survive or become successful?
      > A major difference.

      Since the (incompetent) CEO/Owner/TopBrass usually skims off the most dough despite everything, it's successful for them. Everybody else (no raises due to bad company bottom line etc.) it's survive.

    52. Re:An ounce of prevention by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The problem with this reasoning is that you can be
      a total basket case and nearly completely socially phobic
      and still manage to adequately get through a highly
      structured form of social interaction that is the job
      interview. Buy a decent (not even great, just decent)
      suit and read a couple of good manuals and you can fool
      nearly anyone.

              Be very careful who you assume is driving an H2.

              Someone might just be good at "cramming".

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    53. Re:An ounce of prevention by ashtophoenix · · Score: 1

      Yes. That statement of the article is not only ridiculous but also infuriating. I don't understand where these people are coming from who give such ridiculous statements. Do they have no understanding of human behavior at all?? Not even the basic understanding of how much things like trust, empathy, sympathy play in the successful working of an org?? And yes, I work in a corp org and along with being a programmer I am also a team-lead and I realize that the biggest issue in leading a software team is about the individual personalities of your team-members and by giving them understanding and trust (genuine of course and not done as a sham) can actually be much better even from the work's point of view. I firmly believe this.

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    54. Re:An ounce of prevention by 3t3rn4l · · Score: 1

      AH!!! BUT.... Which Witch is which?

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    55. Re:An ounce of prevention by khallow · · Score: 1

      Yes! Sometimes you need a sociopath to mind the cash register and overlook your fudiciary indiscretions.

    56. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Actually when they've investigated, it turns almost every disgruntled shooter DID give signs beforehand."

      Compared to? This is called restrospective or hindsight bias.

      Unless you have a control group, you don't know; you're basing it on a known outcome and then going back historically. That fails if there is no group to compare to.

      "People almost never just 'snap' and become violent - usually there's a predictable series of escalating steps that they go through before that point."

      Those predictable steps you conveniently gloss over and easily omit. You have no idea about the internal structures that people build up to cope; subtle things can set someone off, just as in sorrow, or violence. Frankly, you don't have a damn clue.

      "There's an excellent book, "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin De Becker, that goes into how to predict who will become violent at work."

      Which are full of tests, double-blind studies, and scientific fact...right?

      "One of his main points is that when we find omeone 'creepy', it's actually an early warning system that they're likely to be a danger."

      Uhh...huh? A person is going to give off signs of violence, when that is likely counterproductive to his well-being. That doesn't even make sense evolutionarily.

      People find others creepy because they want them to be, because they just noticed something that's always been there, or because there actually has been a change that may or may not indicate a predisposition to violence.

      "However due to social conditioning, people usually ignore their gut feelings which is a mistake."

      A bank that is perceived as unstable, whether or not it actually is, becomes unstable. (If the bank is perceived as unstable, people do not feel comfortable with their money in it, so they withdraw funds and stop making deposits, thus hamstringing the bank.)

      No, we are conditioned these days to stay out of it. Maybe if we stayed involved in people's lives, stopped suing everyone for helping out, they wouldn't appear creepy because we'd know if there was actually a problem, or we'd address the problem by *gasp* asking how a co-worker is doing and thus put a stop to any downhill behavior that may be going on.

      If you treat a person as a creep, they become a creep. Whispers start occuring, they start noticing, people don't want to hang out with you, and the stress level from lack of social interaction may add to whatever small problem you thought may have manifested itself.

      "He also helped develop the model that the Secret Service uses to decide whether people who have made threats are probably harmless or likely to eventually commit violence."

      The same Secret Service model that goes after people for writing letters to the editor criticizing the President? The same model that goes after males, young, progressive, liberal, racial minority?

      What a loud of shit. This is like those studies that claim that "loners" are more susceptible to violence. Our legal system is an antagonistic system based on evidence which means, largely because CSI ain't the real world, witness testimony. The number one thing to fight against lies? Witnesses. The number one thing to fight against you partaking in a crime? Witnesses aka alibi. Loner have these? Nope. See skew.

    57. Re:An ounce of prevention by owlstead · · Score: 1

      "Actually when they've investigated, it turns almost every disgruntled shooter DID give signs beforehand. It was just that most co-workers, manager, and neighbors ignored the signs or were clueless that they were significant."

      Yeah, but most importantly, they probably did not give a damn. I'm 100% sure that if you would ask these people what there biggest grunt against the company was that they felt ignored and undervalued. Of course, there will always be people that don't need things like complete ignorance to do something stupid, but I believe most times this is not the case.

    58. Re:An ounce of prevention by emilper · · Score: 1

      ... "6 of them waiting to take the job" ? You must have your office be far away from the HR department or way to high ;) in the hierarchy to be bothered with details, otherwise you'd know that there are not that much replacements waiting to be hired, and you also would know that replacing somebody that has a passable knowledge of the setup of the shop is a big PITA.

    59. Re:An ounce of prevention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but how much of those 25% convicted felons are currently in jail, and thus not walking around on the street?

      Answer: A lot. (Fuck it I don't feel like digging up my sociology books...)

      Thus the chance of running into a convicted felon is even lower.

    60. Re:An ounce of prevention by GuyverDH · · Score: 1

      If you pick the right friends, you won't have to worry about it. Eventually, they'll get there on their own.

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  2. Blindingly Obvious Research Concludes Blindingly O by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think that this 'study' needs to be included on this list.

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  3. obligatory by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    workers who sabotage corporate systems are almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly.

    Maybe they just want their red stapler back.

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    1. Re:obligatory by Cheapy · · Score: 1

      You sir, win the award for Best /. Post Ever.

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    2. Re:obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not me, I sabotage for the lulz

  4. You are so fired, Joe... by aborchers · · Score: 2, Funny

    So fired...

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  5. Access by Prysorra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    *Cough* IT people are also likely to know *how* to properly sabotage computers for the maximum effect....

    1. Re:Access by mabhatter654 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      as opposed to the armies of users that "sabotage" the desktops and network resources on a daily basis?

      sure... the IT guys are the problem.

    2. Re:Access by qzulla · · Score: 1

      I left a job over "unfortunate circumstances." I never looked back. Jail time is not my bag. Six months severance with all benefits was ok with me but looking back if I had the money I would have sued. I needed the money but lost my house anyway.

      I did not sabotage the 'puter. I don't like the idea of doing jail time over a few missed passwords.

      Whatever. I did score in the end. A better job with more pay and am I advancing on schedule.

      qz

    3. Re:Access by Lehk228 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the users fuck up one computer, or maybe even introduce a virus to their office, a malicious IT worker could be quietly poisoning backup tapes for months, or better yet, configure the backup and restore system to use encryption reading the key off a USB key plugged into the back of the machine, when he quits he takes the usb key, or wipes it, and all that data becomes a pile of useless bits

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    4. Re:Access by Giloo · · Score: 1

      Wait, that's a new business model... 1. Cipher your company backup 2. Get fired 3. Start a company specialized in restoring crippled backup 4. Profit!

    5. Re:Access by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      You realise that if you did that, they'd lock you up in a room with some lawyers and policeman threatening you with prison/fines until you gave them the USB key, right?

      I don't care what rights you have to withold it legally, they'd find some way to make you give it back to them once they worked out what you'd done to their data.

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    6. Re:Access by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      5. Lose profit to Rico lawsuit, or local equivalent.

      The odd thing is, for all the slashdot conventional wisdom about companies being immoral, they're actually much more vulnerable to being sued if they do something illegal. Especially if they are known to have larger cash reserves than an average individual.

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    7. Re:Access by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      i'm not advocating doing that, i am saying that an IT worker could do a great deal more damage than a stupid user screwing up out of stupidity

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    8. Re:Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    9. Re:Access by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

      Who's in the best position to harm the company? Who has the most sensitive information about the company's plans?

      Who has the most privileges?

      Who can be paranoid and argumentative and get rewarded for being "competitive" and "tough"?

      What we need is a study telling the Enrons of the world how to recognize and fire the Ken Lays of the world.

    10. Re:Access by Slackcity · · Score: 1

      I had this same idea a few years back. In my case it was inspired by a combination of studying PKI via Applied Cryptography and contemporaneously reading a novel in which someone was poisoned despite having a food taster. This was because the poisoner wanted to control the time of death and be in the clear and so poisoned the target and then fed him the antidote for a while (which the taster obviously didn't notice) until the time came...

      Then the two ideas collided in my head et voila.

      The elegant aspect of this attack is that restores would still work while the key was in place.

    11. Re:Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when he quits he takes the usb key, or wipes it, and all that data becomes a pile of useless bits


      You've done this before, haven't you?? ;)
    12. Re:Access by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      no, it's better to leave a shitty situation on good terms than to run off and leave them hanging, with or without sabotage

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    13. Re:Access by JhohannaVH · · Score: 1

      Hrmmmmmmmmm... thanks for the idears! :D :P :P :P

      Alas, I was hit by this at my last job. Backups hadn't been touched in 6 months, and all were failing. :P Talk about a nightmare. The kicker? The asshole screwed the pooch by putting in 20 double barcoded tapes, the same as 20 others. :D

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  6. In related news by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1

    There has been certain studies linking the existence of certain celestrial bodies to the general lux levels observed on the planet during what people would refer to as 'day'.

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  7. No way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think what this article is saying is that they're not laymen who are satisfied, confident, punctual, amiable, and good workers.

    1. Re:No way! by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting
      No, it says...

      The research suggests that potential troublemakers should be easy to spot. Nearly all the cases of cybercrime investigated were carried out by people who were "disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly." How exactly does that make these people easy to spot? What distinguishes them from anyone else fired from an IT position?
      This article stinks.

      Macleod concluded: "So as far as doing the right thing, I'd suggest that you start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk to your organization's security, and if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs of an impending attack. I wouldn't recommend taking that attitude with ANY branch of your organization unless you're looking for a fight. Oh no! I might be one of them!
    2. Re:No way! by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. I think the article fails to distinguish between an intellectual argument and an inappropriate argument. Good intellectual arguments should be made because alternative ideas are flushed out and mistakes can be mitigated. An inappropriate argument is something that turns threatening and ominous. I like a good intellectual argument because it helps me learn more about the subject matter and it is a chance to contribute. An intellectual argument isn't necessarily about winning or loosing but about bringing up points to improve ideas. An intellectual argument is more of a discussion.

  8. Bias? by TheSuperlative · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's see... the study shows that people who are fired generally are considered by their employers to have performed poorly...

    This is groundbreaking!

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  9. Straight from the "No sh*t Sherlock" Department: by All_One_Mind · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow. That's odd. I would've figured IT workers who sabotage corporate systems would be the workers who are happy, secure, generally show up on time, work well with colleagues, and generally perform superbly. Goes to show you that logic doesn't always pay off. (I'm ready for the Troll/Flamebait mod guys :)

  10. Well, all that may be true... by varmint+jerky · · Score: 5, Funny

    but I also happen to be far too lazy to do any of that shit.

    1. Re:Well, all that may be true... by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 1

      Besides which, I spent too much time building the damned thing to the point it is at... the only destruction I'm doing when I leave is going to be taking a cattle prod to a few users. The BOFH is my God...

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    2. Re:Well, all that may be true... by fyoder · · Score: 1

      but I also happen to be far too lazy to do any of that shit.

      At least one person modded you insightful. To do true evil you have to be really driven. It might even involve extra hours. I'm feeling tired just thinking about it.

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    3. Re:Well, all that may be true... by catmistake · · Score: 1

      you nailed it. I'm not good at my IT job because I am über meticulous. I'm good at it, and my users CAN trust me, because I really don't give 2 shits about what anyone is doing, and it shows. To drive the point home, that I don't give 2 shits, I make sure to come in late, and not get too much done. If I was too ambitious, I'd never have time for the inevitable call at a quarter to end of business about how some users laptop has been broke all week, and though they forgot to mention it until now, they really need if fixed because they're flying out at 8.

      There are 10 types of IT specialists... one is a Microsoft geek, one is a UNIX guru. The UNIX gurus are usually older, but so much cooler and more laid back. Microsoft geeks, however, are cool in their own way, too: nothing gets to them... the floor could fall out from under them, they'd fall... get up, dust themselves off... look up and say... "well, there goes lunch" and find a workaround.

      Whenever someone decides productivity is down, the first thing to go is creativity (by way of blaming the late people).

      If you ask me, its YOUTH that is more likely to sabotage, and beyond that, it is the uptight, and on time, folks that are wrapped/strung so taught that when they pop off, its no surprise.

  11. Link? by adambha · · Score: 1

    IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly

    Doesn't it make sense that these would be the people who would "sabotage corporate systems"? Let see, they work with corporate systems and know a lot about them. And by that criteria, are not very happy.

    Who else would you expect?

    1. Re:Link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Who else would you expect?"

      Think big picture for a second or two:
      Who has the most access (physically) to your business and is probably the lowest paid?

      The Janitors.

      The corporate envioronment they are in allows them to go about their work virtually unseen and they are given access virtually everywhere to do their jobs. They may not be able to 'Hack the network' so to speak, but they sure as hell (if pissed off enough) have the ability to give the right kind of information/help to someone who can.

  12. Really? by agent+dero · · Score: 1

    Angry workers more likely to sabotage systems...

    News at elev...whenever I feel like it, get off my back!

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  13. That sounds like American Mgt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    >>who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly

    WTF!!!

    Thats sounds exactly like the CEOs/executives at the last few places I've worked. When in doubt, always blame the little people, same as it ever was.

  14. Re:Blindingly Obvious Research Concludes Blindingl by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    Careful, making cynical comments like that may negatively affect your career prospects. Don't want to get labled as a whiner, people might think your planning to nuke the servers and fire you. Oh wait.

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  15. Tamping down management paranoia by ewg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the point of this study is that management doesn't have to be paranoid about normal IT people abusing the trust the organization has placed in them. The people truly likely to cause harm will broadcast that fact clearly in advance through egregious behavior.

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    1. Re:Tamping down management paranoia by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      The thing is that, in a lot of cases, it's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

      Management is paranoid that the IT people are going to sabatoge them, so they turn the screws on IT. The people in IT become demoralized, shart showing up late, are disgruntled, more likely to snap at management, etc. Eventually one of them may snap and sabatoge the place on their way out.

      The real problem, in a lot of cases, starts out with paranoia and territorial pissing matches to see who controls the budget for what and who can make their kingdom more important. Unfortunately, that is a game that a lot of managers seem to want to play.

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    2. Re:Tamping down management paranoia by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      There are no normal IT people. We are all "special", and DON"T YOU FORGET THAT !! ;) Management doesn't really trust IT a lot because they don't understand what IT does, and that's partly our fault for not explaining our job to them in terms they can grasp.

      Anyone who broadcasts they are going to cause harm is quite stupid because when harm occurs they get the blame, even if they didn't do it. Perfect cover for the guy who really did the dirty deed.

    3. Re:Tamping down management paranoia by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      that's partly our fault for not explaining our job to them in terms they can grasp.

      And partly management's fault for not giving a damn when we try to explain what it is we do.

      Perfect cover for the guy who really did the dirty deed.

      Reminds me of the Bullshit episode on the death penalty: one of the opponents had spent 5 years on death row based on the testimony of the people who actually killed the person he was convicted for. That and he was in jail when the murder took place.

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  16. half sight by glas_gow · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they'd turned up on time, were cordial with their colleagues and performed better, they'd never have been caught.

    1. Re:half sight by nomadic · · Score: 1

      If they'd turned up on time, were cordial with their colleagues and performed better, they'd never have been caught.

      If they were like that, they probably wouldn't have gone into IT...

  17. Yeah, so? by LibertineR · · Score: 5, Funny
    "almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly."

    Disgrutled = Forced to install Notes
    Paranoid = Forced to sit next to Notes Server all day waiting for the memory leak to take over
    Late = Due to sleep deprevation from having to go in at 2am to reboot the Notes Server
    Argumentative = Caught whispering "Exchange, bitches." under his breath
    Poor Performer = Changed Cert ID password to "Fuck Notes"

    Whats not to understand?

    1. Re:Yeah, so? by eebly · · Score: 4, Funny

      Disgruntled = Forced to install Exchange.
      Paranoid = Forced to recheck Exchange database
      Late = Had to stay up all night while Exchange tested databases
      Argumentative = Caught whispering 'Postfix, bitches'
      Poor Performer = Changed Exchange password to 'kill me now'

      What's not to understand?

      (I've never worked with Notes, so it could be as bad as you say, but I've worked with Exchange 2K and 2K3, and yup, it's painful).

    2. Re:Yeah, so? by davecarlotub · · Score: 2, Funny

      Executive VP: My Lotus Notes is slow
      Me: You have a 16 gigabyte mail file with 20,000 unread messages in your inbox and 100+ folders
      Executive VP: What's a gigabyte?

      All day, everyday

    3. Re:Yeah, so? by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Disgruntled = Forced to use Exchange
      Paranoid = Afraid Someone will find out about said exchange
      Late = Lack of sleep due to World Of Warcraft / Late night programming session
      Argumentative = "We don't need a new gazillion dollar server"
      Poor Performer = Did 30 jobs in a week and missed the KPI level by 1 as each job was bigger than the beancounters.

      I would have thought these were the traits of a GOOD sysadmin...

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    4. Re:Yeah, so? by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do you stick to stating specific technical details, or do you sometimes point out that it is running as fast as it is going to run on the systems you have with that volume of information? Sometimes the obvious...isn't; if he isn't making the connection and you aren't providing it...

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    5. Re:Yeah, so? by quick_dry_3 · · Score: 1

      /. needs an exception to the mod points to make this + eleventy billion.

      +5 Funny? methinks +5 Informative

    6. Re:Yeah, so? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      It's actually worse. OF course, I'd just set a monitor on the box to do the restarts automagically.

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    7. Re:Yeah, so? by Spleen · · Score: 1

      Argumentative = "We don't need a new gazillion dollar server"

      That's an argument I wouldn't mind losing. Im more in the "No our Pentium Pro server won't handle another 10,000 users" camp.

    8. Re:Yeah, so? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Argumentative = Caught whispering 'Postfix, bitches' If it was me, it'd be 'sendmail, boys'.
    9. Re:Yeah, so? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be a hit at parties.

    10. Re:Yeah, so? by maxume · · Score: 1

      It really isn't clear to me if the op was joking or 'creating his own frustration'.

      Having a sense of humor does get in the way of laughing at the stupid shit people say at parties though.

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  18. duh by dragin33 · · Score: 1

    Um, wow.. These people get paid for doing what? I could have told you that for a cheese steak.

    1. Re:duh by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Argumentative... check.

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  19. Of course, the flip side by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 3, Informative

    The flip side is that the fastest way for management to make a worker into someone who's disgruntled, paranoid, shows up late, argues all the time and performs poorly is to treat them like a potential problem. You're giving people privileged access, either you trust them and thus don't need to worry until after they start showing obvious signs, or you don't trust them in which case why are you giving them privileged access in the first place?

    To be honest, I think if you have to worry about abuse of privileged access after termination then you have a more fundamental problem that no access-management system will solve. After all, if you can't trust someone to behave professionally after you've given them their 2-weeks' notice then what makes you think you can trust them to behave professionally before that?

    1. Re:Of course, the flip side by Lumpy · · Score: 0

      Holy crap. do you realize how easy it is to have built in time bombs? if you are a network admin have all your apps check to see if your login is valid or locked. (Ok dangerous for accidental triggering) or times to look for a dead man switch to get thrown. then start sick crap like stopping all backups of the finance databases and then 3 months later, scramble all the numbers. easy to do and apply as a innocent looking service that is needed.

      Or more sinister. find all .doc files and insert the word "fucker" randomly preferrably putting your bosses name befoer it with a "is a" between them. more fun? plant the bomb on his PC and have it start firing off profanity or scripted I quit messages to department heads.

      all of this stuff is incredibly easy for someone that has skills above a MCSE and if you are disgruntled enough you probably will plan things ahead of time.

      a Good IT/security admin thinks of this stuff and looks for it or demands code reviews of every custom app that goes on the servers.... problem is 99% of all It departments are not run that way, so it's easy to slip things in as most in the IT department need admin access or the users access at one time or another.

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    2. Re:Of course, the flip side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [insert big bureaucracy here] doesn't hire people who; are disgruntled, paranoid, generally late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly.

      [insert big bureaucracy here] hires young enthusiastic people and turns them into people who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly.

      then punishes them for bad attitude

      been there
      had that happen to me

    3. Re:Of course, the flip side by vought · · Score: 1

      When you are dealing with novices, anything is possible.

      I remember once at Apple, a co-worker put this compiled executable AppleScript into a user's startup items folder (this was back in the Mac OS 7.x days)

      tell application finder
      shut down
      end tell

      The user came in, started up his machine (it was his backup "solitaire" CPU) and it immediately shut down upon launching the Finder.

      An hour later, he had the machine apart, and was ready to swap power supplies with a donor machine. We had a good laugh and told him what was going on, then we snapped his machine back together and went for coffee.

    4. Re:Of course, the flip side by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

      Oh, I know how easy it is to set logic bombs. I also know from experience how easy it is to find and remove them. To be honest, if I were planting one the application is the last place I'd put it. In-house applications are known to too many developers, subject to formal and informal code review, and too often under good version control that makes it easy to isolate changes for examination. Libraries, particularly binary-only libraries, are a better target if you can get into the process by which they're installed. Few other developers are going to be familiar with the libraries on a source-code level, management's likely to want to keep it that way (the whole point of libraries is to avoid spending developer time on that code, after all) and it's almost impossible to spot a small patch in among the huge number of changes in a typical version upgrade of, for example, Xerces or CUPS.

    5. Re:Of course, the flip side by Soko · · Score: 1

      If you want to know why this article is so alarmist about the un-fettered access that we admins have, do a Google search on Cyber-Ark, and then Cyber-Ark Calum Macleod. Interesting.

      My guess is that Cyber-Ark needs more customers, and so have found a way into the offices above ours with this little diatribe.

      Soko

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    6. Re:Of course, the flip side by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1
      We had once put "echo sleep 0.1 >>~/.bash_profile" into somebody's profile.

      After a couple of months, he wondered why his terminal was always so slow to log in...

    7. Re:Of course, the flip side by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      My guess is that Cyber-Ark needs more customers, and so have found a way into the offices above ours with this little diatribe. Cyber-Ark are geniuses. What better way to sell snakeoil than to brand anybody who points out that it is snake-oil (i.e. is argumentative) as a potential danger himself. The emperor's new clothes on supercharge!

      Hmm, maybe we should fight back by pointing out that potential embezzlers are slimey, hypocrite, spend their afternoons playing golf and never say what they mean.

  20. Yeah but... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The openly disgruntled will cause trouble when they leave.

    the quiet meek ones will come in with automatic weapons and start "cutting expenses" when they leave.

    I fear the quiet meek ones. They frighten me.

    --
    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    1. Re:Yeah but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, now you're on my list .... shoulda kept your mouth shut. :-)

      And just between you and me, I don't consider it "cutting expenses". Ammo is expensive (and not deductable for most IT jobs).

  21. Re:Straight from the "No sh*t Sherlock" Department by Panaflex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, I think those are just symptoms of some nasty disease. If you've got people like that onboard - it's important to find out the causes and do what can be done to improve their workday.

    I had a boss at (insert large corporation) who disrespected me, never allowed me to be challenged, set me up on a doomed project on my second week of work with people who didn't understand the business - and generally pissed me off. I was cussed out by the CIO and his Italian mobster friend who claimed to be a business manager.

    After the second month I would have fit into most of those categories - simply because of the experience I'd had. I decided that my boss didn't deserve anything other than what was in my job description. I proceeded to immerse myself in the codebase, business, and financials. After a couple of months I was answering questions in meetings which the original developers didn't even know.

    There on out, I involved myself in other projects, got involved in design and generally worked my way past my boss - though he was still my boss until he was layed off.

    In the end, I was one of the architects. All the people who made my life miserable were fired, left, or otherwise shown the door. They caused millions of dollars in losses - and I made the company millions.

    Moral of the story: Sometimes it's management.

    --
    I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
  22. Work with both, then post by LibertineR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you ever worked with Notes, you would thank Microsoft everyday for Exchange.

    1. Re:Work with both, then post by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but once you converted to Exchange you wished you could still choose your vendor and switch back to Notes

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    2. Re:Work with both, then post by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Yep, I spent 3 months working with Notes, and it seemed like an eternity. Great idea, amazingly bad execution.

    3. Re:Work with both, then post by Eevee · · Score: 1

      Those who think Postfix is a suitable replacement for Exchange don't understand the power of Exchange. Those who think Exchange is a suitable replacement for Notes don't understand the power of Notes.

    4. Re:Work with both, then post by LibertineR · · Score: 4, Funny

      Notes: The only application for which there is not enough RAM on Planet Earth.

    5. Re:Work with both, then post by triffid_98 · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      Mod parent up, Notes is a cross-platform app server that happens to have a email server + calendar embedded in it. Exchange is email + a calendar. Too bad the (Notes) UI is such a piece of crap.

      Those who think Postfix is a suitable replacement for Exchange don't understand the power of Exchange. Those who think Exchange is a suitable replacement for Notes don't understand the power of Notes.
    6. Re:Work with both, then post by Grail · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And if you've worked with both, you'll realise how much easier life is with neither.

    7. Re:Work with both, then post by BJH · · Score: 1

      No.

      Notes in Hell on Earth. It is fire and brimstone in a shrink-wrapped package, waiting to condemn the forsaken soul saddled with the thankless task of trying to tame the beast to an eternity of purgatory.

      Really.

    8. Re:Work with both, then post by High+Hat · · Score: 1
      Obviously, you haven't used the Spin model checker.

      We made it go out of memory on a 32GB Box. But that's in the Nature of the stuff, probably even a Terabyte would not have been sufficient...

    9. Re:Work with both, then post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fine - then I assume you can use the rest of notes for whatever you like and use something sane for email. Notes mail SUCKS for the end user.

  23. Re:Blindingly Obvious Research Concludes Blindingl by daeg · · Score: 1

    Only someone on the verge of committing such acts would even think of them. Just what are you planning, Hal_Porter?

  24. Cyber-Ark? by Voice+of+Meson · · Score: 1
    From TFA

    I'd suggest that you start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk to your organization's security, and if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs of an impending attack.
    A little heavy handed perhaps? I agree that high level access should be treated with the same level of respect as master keys or safe passwords, and any decent company should have processes in place to protect themselves. But this guy sounds like a power tripping fuckwit. Tell a subset of your workers they the greatest risk to the security of the company then monitor them to see which ones react badly?

    As for the actual article, take out the IT parts and it's just common sense. Maybe keep an eye on the shabby looking guy in the corner mutterring about how he's going to "show them all one day".
    --
    Dammit! I had a good one.
    1. Re:Cyber-Ark? by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      I really think that the guy who gave that quote recognized that he was describing a catch-22 situation, which probably went over the reporter's head. I don't think anyone could pull that quote off by accident. Cognitive dissonance alone would keep him from thinking about the two things at the same time.

      --

      You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!

  25. IT workers et al. by mkiwi · · Score: 1
    I've noticed a similar trend at places where I've worked. Most IT people are good, kind people who try to motivate their users and make positive change.

    There are some IT people, mostly those who are uncertain about their job, their skills, or their life in general. This is not simply symptomatic of IT- this happens everywhere in life.

    No matter where you are, there are people with anxiety and mood disorders as well as a lot of depression. These people must be cared for carefully.

    Most of them just need positive reinforcement that what they are doing is good work. That improves their moods, and in turn they work harder. If management does not give any positive feedback at all and takes a laissez-faire attutude toward any employee you are going to run into problems.

    Sometimes it is just the person, too. Each case is different, but the majority of workers just need to hear a few positive comments and they are more efficient.

    1. Re:IT workers et al. by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. When I hear encouraging, positive comments it makes me feel wanted and loyal. I actually do not mind working longer and harder knowing that my efforts are noticed and recognized. This happens too infrequently in the workplace. In fact, just the opposite happens. Mostly, the only feedback you here is when you "fucked-up." I know that if all I hear is how bad a worker I am, I would grow to resent the employer and the situation. But, I have enough moral fortitude not to take the resentment into the realm of overt sabotage. I notice that, in negative reinforcement situations, employees do not generally work well together as a team and are quick to want to find a way to blame someone else or scapegoat. This scapegoating, in some organizations, happens shamelessly. I think simple, honest, and genuine recognition would drastically reduce the incidents of going postal, if not eliminate them altogether.

    2. Re:IT workers et al. by DeathToBill · · Score: 1

      And, sometimes, this guy turns up.

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    3. Re:IT workers et al. by midnighttoadstool · · Score: 1
      That's all nice and feminine, but patting someone on the head mechanically is liable to having your hand bitten off. What many of us want is to be valued and no amount of 'praise' substitutes for that.

      Further no one, ultimately, wants to be though of as "working more efficiently", because that reduces us to the level of a machine.

  26. Note to self by qzulla · · Score: 1
    Macleod concluded: "So as far as doing the right thing, I'd suggest that you start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk to your organization's security, and if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs of an impending attack.

    You know the rest.

    Geez. I argue with my boss on a regular basis. I cannot count the times I have argued with a coworker over this or that. We do it constantly. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose.

    There other signs but arguing is not one of them.

    Note to self: update resume...

    Crap. There goes that ten years.

    qz

  27. It's not limited to IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The place where I work was severely damaged by a psycho nutcase who soured our relationship with our best customers. I like to think it was deliberate sabatoge but maybe the guy just couldn't help himself. In any event, there are precious few positions where someone can't do serious damage to the company. I used to think our purchasing agent was deliberately stupid. I once put in an order for five gallons of de-ionized water from the local soft water place. The purchasing agent got de-ionized water all right; scientific grade at $200/liter. I wonder how much money this person cost the organization over her thirty some years of employment. She'll probably go to the grave laughing about the stuff she pulled on us.

    Think of Wally in Dilbert ... now multiply by millions ... the mind boggles.

  28. Thinly veiled ad by Knytefall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The last few paragraphs of the article are more-or-less unedited PR hype from a vendor:

    "According to security management vendor Calum Macleod of Cyber-Ark..Macleod's solution is password management....'If privileged password management is not on your shopping list in 2007 it may already be too late.'"

    This is preceded with a 'people who say you shouldn't buy my product may already be criminals':

    "'if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs of an impending attack.'"

    I can't believe this ran! This reporter was shockingly lazy.

    1. Re:Thinly veiled ad by feepness · · Score: 1

      I can't believe this ran! This reporter was shockingly lazy.

      That's it! We've found one! Turn in your keycard and know that we are changing all passwords!

    2. Re:Thinly veiled ad by JonathanR · · Score: 1

      Last few paragraphs? You must be new here.

  29. Best to stay on top of any unrest... by djupedal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I believe we've all seen this recent memo from HR, to all IT department staff: 'Floggings will continue until morale improves!'

    But seriously, you could swap IT for any discipline and come up with the same bullet-point: "Study Shows Link Between Grounds Keeping Sabotage, Work Behavior" - so what's the point? Just because I hold your entire work history in my shaky, sweaty hands doesn't mean I will automatically go postal and cause trouble for you and your unborn grandchildren. A cafeteria worker can spit in the soup. A parking security wanker can key your new Astro. A disgruntled department head can arbitrarily black mark a borderline performance appraisal.

    Screw this generalized dust-kickup of a 'study' and go talk to anyone you think just needs someone to listen. If they tell you they "can't talk...busy...voices said time to clean my guns", then you might want to restrict their security access for a while. Otherwise, treat them like humans and stop watching for signs the sky is getting ready to fall.

    1. Re:Best to stay on top of any unrest... by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      Nice! Thank you for echoing my thoughts exactly!

  30. Seen this happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Fired employee disabled an error reporting module for a particular billing program. Finally noticed a couple years later ... figure the total missed revenue was a little over 2 million. CIO swept it under the rug out of embarrassment.

    1. Re:Seen this happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And fired employee currently lives in a beach side mansion house in Brazil with enough money to own several Ferrari's and a luxury yacht.

  31. Don't go about it the wrong way by toadlife · · Score: 1
    From TFA...

    "Macleod concluded: "So as far as doing the right thing, I'd suggest that you start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk to your organization's security, and if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs of an impending attack." Wow.

    It seems a defensive reaction to being indirectly labeled a crook by your boss would be natural, even for honest employees. How about skipping the threatening rhetoric, and just implementing an automated password management policy. If your IT folks are worth their salt, they'll "get it" without having to be called criminals. If you skip the indirect threats, and they argue against an automated password management policy alone, then maybe you should worry.
    --
    I don't always use unix-like operating systems; but when I do, I prefer FreeBSD.
  32. Re:Straight from the "No sh*t Sherlock" Department by susano_otter · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but on the other hand, I match this profile, but have no interest in sabotaging the company. I already get to come in late, bitch at my co-workers, and perform poorly, and get paid well for the privilege. Why would I want to ruin a good thing by committing crimes?

    --

    Any sufficiently well-organized community is indistinguishable from Government.

  33. Oh really? by EXMSFT · · Score: 4, Funny

    And I said, I don't care if they lay me off either, because I told, I told Bill that if they move my desk one more time, then, then I'm, I'm quitting, I'm going to quit. And, and I told Don too, because they've moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were married, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire...

    1. Re:Oh really? by karnal · · Score: 1

      and I could see the squirrels, and they were married,

      Either you cut-and-pasted, or you have a really weird sense of squirrel "happiness."

      --
      Karnal
    2. Re:Oh really? by Terrasque · · Score: 1

      Ummm... Yeah, I'm gonna need you to move your office down to the basement.
      Uh, we have some new people coming in and we need all the space we can
      get.
      And if you could could go ahead and get a can of psticide and take care
      of the roach problem we've been having that would be great.

      --
      It's The Golden Rule: "He who has the gold makes the rules."
    3. Re:Oh really? by arevos · · Score: 1

      Either you cut-and-pasted, or you have a really weird sense of squirrel "happiness." If ever there was a required list of films for slashdotters to watch before posting, Office Space would be one of them.
  34. Re:Blindingly Obvious Research Concludes Blindingl by networkBoy · · Score: 1

    You know, after I left my old department I instructed the manager to assign a new local admin, and to have that person remove my access to the NetApp and server.
    Two years later I get to thinking how I never got an e-mail from anyone...
    log into the server and presto! access. Well, I think, maybe they left my user rights because I have a homedir there... Nope! I can still access admin and privileged functions. I have to admit that the thought occoured to me to drop the ACL for everyone and claim ignorance, or even better subtly change all their data and bury the logs...

    didn't do it, but I did indulge in a daydream about it :-)
    -nB

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  35. useless by oohshiny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to the research, 86 percent of those who committed cybercrimes held ...

    That's nearly useless information. By analogy, nearly 100% of rapists are male, yet very few males are actually rapists.

    1. Re:useless by Churla · · Score: 1

      Did you know that nearly all of the people who commit subtle accounting fraud are good with math?

      I agree, mostly useless info there as you're saying the people who commit most of the crime in question are the ones with skills to commit the crime in question.

      --
      I'm a fiscal conservative, it's a pity we don't have a political party anymore
    2. Re:useless by kthejoker · · Score: 1

      Your analogy does not instantly make that information useless. The statistic he provides is situational, not universal.

      To extend your analogy back in the proper direction: If I were a policeman and got called to a scene in which a rape had just occurred, I could pretty safely begin searching for a male suspect.

      And if a cybercrime / IT attack occurred within my building, I'd head straight to IR to look for culprits.

      Conflating situational statistics with universal truths is a dangerous thing; unfortunately, you're the perpetrator, not the article.

    3. Re:useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your analogy does not instantly make that information useless.

      No, the information is useless all by itself, my analogy just illustrates one of the fallacies that underly the application.

      To extend your analogy back in the proper direction: If I were a policeman and got called to a scene in which a rape had just occurred, I could pretty safely begin searching for a male suspect.

      and you just committed the other one.

    4. Re:useless by juan2074 · · Score: 1

      Maybe the executives should fire the IT department, and anyone allied with them. Oh, wait. . .

  36. in other words by capoccia · · Score: 1

    poorly performing people get stuck in unsatisfying and frustrating jobs, while the strong performers find satisfying and fufilling ones.

    1. Re:in other words by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      That's a bit trite. It could also be said that unsatisfying, frustrating jobs tend to make people poorer performers. It sounds like you're putting all the blame on the employees.

      --

      You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!

  37. Re:Straight from the "No sh*t Sherlock" Department by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    Your story somewhat reminds me of a businessweek article (from a month or three ago) about revenge in the workplace & how it drove some very high level achievers to retaliate by succeeding.

    Those people (you) aren't the kind of person that TFA is describing.

    The point of TFA is that there is a certain subset of people whose psychology will push them to become aggressively hostile to their employer in response to the types of pressure that you faced.

    --
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    o0t!
  38. what about work treatment? by bzipitidoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about workers who are routinely abused? Workers who are pushed to make themselves desperate (financially desperate, usually) to keep the job so they can be treated like slaves, and who are then forced to work long hours for no extra pay because they're salaried, constantly threatened with termination, blamed for problems but denied power to deal with them, and so on, did the study account for that? Doesn't look like the study did. Study talks about "work behavior" but not "work treatment", as if companies have no effect on whether a worker would want to sabotage something.

    Ignoring signs-- signs such as a person coming in late who had always come in on time in the past-- is a sure invitation to trouble. People who feel they can't communicate one way will communicate another way. Maybe before concluding that someone who is causing "trouble" better be escorted off the premises in handcuffs before they can do real damage, management ought to try a few other things first. Like, listen in such a way that workers feel they can speak openly. And removing the temptation. If a nuclear missile could be launched with the push of one button, it probably would've happened. Good thing the missiles require several keys, codes, and such like.

    This study strikes me as narrow.

    --
    Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
    1. Re:what about work treatment? by hrtserpent6 · · Score: 1

      People who feel they can't communicate one way will communicate another way. Kinda like cats. You go away for a couple of days, and BAM - poop in the shoes.
    2. Re:what about work treatment? by boa13 · · Score: 1

      If a nuclear missile could be launched with the push of one button, it probably would've happened. Good thing the missiles require several keys, codes, and such like.

      Or maybe they do not. Or did not.

      http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=167

      (Yes, I have read the comments there.)

  39. Ah, wrongfully included in generalisation. again. by rivj0r · · Score: 1

    IT worker - check disgruntled - check paranoid - not so much generally show up late - double check argue with colleagues - when neccesary generally perform poorly - check Sabotage the IT system? HELL NO! Theres no way I'd work against a system I've put so much bloody time into getting damn near perfect. Thats my reputation right there, and my reference, and the only thing I can point at and go "I built that." The only people that would sabotage a system they were responsible require one further classification; Fucking stupid - check.

  40. Smart enough? by alshithead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those who are capable of wrecking systems thoroughly are usually also smart enough not to show signs that they are willing to do so... The ones who grumble and complain need to be shown the door before they wreak havoc or, pacify them. It's the non-complainers you need to make sure are really happy because if they're not...you could be screwed.

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  41. Mandatory Holy Grail by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 4, Funny

    BEDEVERE:
    Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.

    VILLAGER #1:
    Are there?
    VILLAGER #2:
    Ah?
    VILLAGER #1:
    What are they?
    CROWD:
    Tell us! Tell us!...
    BEDEVERE:
    Tell me. What do you do with witches?
    VILLAGER #2:
    Burn!
    VILLAGER #1:
    Burn!
    CROWD:
    Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...
    BEDEVERE:
    And what do you burn apart from witches?
    VILLAGER #1:
    More witches!

  42. Security huh! by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Funny

    I got pissed off with what someone said so I deleted that blue 'e' on my computer. Now the whole internet has been destroyed.

    --
    Engineering is the art of compromise.
  43. Pull the plug with a smile by gd23ka · · Score: 1

    This one deserves a +5 funny I wish there were a way to mod the articles themselves.

    No really, what immensely priceless wisdom is impart4ed here. People who sabotage (IT) systems are disaffected
    and hate your guts. But tBig Brother and Landru be thanked there is a real simple way to detect these terrorists.
    They don't borg-smile when they pass you in the hall.

    People will just have to learn to pull the plug with a smile.

  44. duh? by wedgiesaurus · · Score: 0

    As opposed to the nice, kind, helpful ones? This is why studies like these strike me as silly. Of course the disgruntled employee is the saboteur!

  45. Nice piece. Here the last line they somehow forgot by gd23ka · · Score: 1

    --"And automate the whole process. If privileged password management is not on your shopping list in 2007 it may already be too late.""

    All that is missing in this FUD piece is of course the obligtory
    "We happen to have a solution, btw, give us a call."

  46. GDisk -dodwipe by belligerent0001 · · Score: 0

    Gdisk -dodwipe is a beautiful thing....

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    "...a civilian some of the time, a soldier part of the time and a patriot all of the time." -Brig. Gen. James Drain
  47. Well Duh, captain Obvious. by lindseyp · · Score: 1

    Next we'll be hearing that workers who sabotage a company's reputation with its clients are invariably salespeople, or that workers who embezzle money are invariably accountants or working in financial control.

    --
    j'ai découvert une démonstration vraiment admirable (de ce théorème général) que cette si
  48. Re:Straight from the "No sh*t Sherlock" Department by vbwyrde · · Score: 1

    Superior attitude! I commend you. You are among those who provide value by working around problems with the goal of doing the right thing for your employer in mind. And why should you not have that attitude? It is normal. After all, whenever we work for an employer we make a contract with them that we will provide services in exchange for money. It is our duty to honor that contract by providing the best work we can while we are there. And if we don't like it because we feel that the management or conditions render the situation unworkable, we have, thank God, the right, in this country anyway (America), to find another job, or better yet, start our own businesses. I feel the same way, and also provide value to my employer, despite the Dilbertization of the enterprise over the years. I'm a fan of 'The Tao of Programming'. Thank you for raising this perspective to our attention. Carry on.

  49. Flip it around... by jimmiejaz · · Score: 0

    FTA: "86 percent of those who committed cybercrimes held technical positions and 90 percent had system administrator or privileged system access."

    Ever think maybe us S.A's are just naturally vindictive, evil bastards that just don't give a rats ass, hell, we know the in/outs of every system we touch, have the power to do as we please and have no one notice.

    Paranoid? Hell yeah, just as the company has to trust us with the systems, we have to trust them with our personal info on their laptops, on the front seat of the car while they're in the bar for the 5 hour lunch.

    Bottom line, you get what you give, end of story.

  50. indeed... here is yet another anecdote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a sysadmin/webmaster at a small company I was involved in the infrastructure and in daily stuff that made money, like doing websites for the company's customers.

    At one point I was drawn into an "argument" with colleagues over two things:

    1) they needed a new box to run the firewall on. Owners wanted to postpone indefinitely. Sysadmin pressed his point. CEO suspected sabotage or other agenda... in spite of having had a prior avoidable firewall failure take down the network. He decided the sysadmin was crying wolf, or worse.

    2): graphic designers and marketing people had proposed, priced and designed a website concept without consulting the guy who was going to code it. There were problems in the executability of the design and an underbid situation.

    A technical problem that could be solved with a technical approach, if there were trust. Once again, sysadmin/webmaster "argued" for another approach on technical grounds. Answer: defenses, emotionalism, circle the wagons.

    Net result of both contentions: emotionalism, accusations; sysadmin forced to resign.

    The firewall did have a hardware failure after about six months; the website proposal flopped and the company lost their major client's web work. Satisfaction for the sysadmin? H**l no. There are no winners in something like this. You need to work with people you can trust and who trust you. This untrusted crap is destroying the very idea of "a good job" and consuming businesses and relationships from within.

    You have to be able to air the relative merits of various technical approaches in a respectful, professional way so that what's rational and feasible emerges.

    If this is "arguing with colleagues", resulting in an immediate security red-flag and dismissal... how can you have peer review or objective discussions? Worse still, it means we've descended into a totalitarian workplace.

    1. Re:indeed... here is yet another anecdote by Panaflex · · Score: 1

      Yup, I've been there. I've been in the IT/Software business for a long time. I demand professionalism - and it's not because I want to be a cocky developer, because I'm not. I put it on my resume because I want to set the expectation that I go to work to do just that - work.

      I want to get the job done right, and that's it.

      The workplace is, limitedly, a totalitarian place - and the only way to rise above it is to not play the human games all the time and stick to the job you were hired to do. Most important of all is to document your work, be helpfull to your peers and take responsibility for your success and failures.

      There may not have been any way to avoid what happened in your situation - but perhaps you can walk away knowing that you did your best.

      I've found this out the hard way.

      --
      I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
    2. Re:indeed... here is yet another anecdote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, the thought is appreciated.

      I think the thing that gets you through is pride in your work and knowing you're there to serve. The CEO's doubts, or those of a co-worker, never become yours if you know why the heck you're there.

  51. Re:Straight from the "No sh*t Sherlock" Department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parent is disagreeing with the guy quoted in the article. According to the article, this argumentativeness makes the parent poster a prime suspect!

    Sheesh, and believing that you aren't an alcoholic proves that you *are* an alcoholic, too.

    The article is just an advertisement for a "privileged password management" product. If your IT staff say this isn't a problem, then it's REALLY a problem!! If you don't have our product yet, it may ALREADY BE TOO LATE!!!

  52. Pop psych bull setting up suits for major disaster by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see... the study shows that people who are fired generally are considered by their employers to have performed poorly...

    This is groundbreaking!


    And while we're at it: How many employees who do NOT sabotage corporate systems "are disgruntled", "are paranoid", "generally show up late", and/or "argue with colleagues"?

    Last time I looked:

      - A large fraction of the best IT people often work late, for any or all of several reasons: They prefer it, they need to work when load is light to minimize impact on business processes, fixing what the users broke during the day skews the time of their peak workload to later than that of the mainstream users, etc.

    They often work more than a normal workday - but they'd have to work two shifts every day and only take time out for sleep, in order to come in bright and early to impress the suits who read this "study". But any sane IT professional will take advantage of flex time and come in late instead.

    Programmers and other IT professionals coming in late has been a stereotype since computers used vacuum tubes. (I know because I was there and was one of many who created it. B-) )

      - "Argue with colleagues"? Maybe yes-maning works in the executive suite. But when a crew of experts is chasing down a problem there will be a slew of hypotheses tried and discarded, with different workers coming up with different hypotheses and evidence to falsify them. To an outsider this looks like an argument, when it's actually progress. Experts will also often have differing opinions and will discuss them - ditto.

    (I recall one company where upper-level executives quietly added themselves to an engineering internal mailing list. There we discussed the latest problems - often heatedly - until they were solved. When one was solved the traffic on THAT problem stopped cold and another would take its place. To the suits it looked like a disaster, when in fact the project was on time, within budget, exceeding targets, and still looked like it would have been a quantum leap when delivered - if the company hadn't suddenly shut it down...)

    - "disgruntled"? With the continuing budget shortfalls, IT resource expansion always lagging company growth, lusers opening virus email, ... I have yet to meet a "gruntled" IT professional.

    - "paranoid"? (I presume we're talking the folk etymology, not clinical paranoia.) IT, like other forms of engineering, is an exercise in staying at least one step ahead of Murphy's Law. If an IT professional isn't "paranoid" he's not doing his job.

    Watch the suits who saw this start canning their best IT people - zero-notice style. (That's where the employee arrives at work to find his cardkey doesn't work his passwords are rescinded, and he is escorted to HR where he is handed two weeks pay in lieu of notice, a box containing anything from his desk that the company didn't think was theirs, and a threatening document in lawyerese, and then kicked out of the building.)

    And of course the fired employees will be blamed when the network starts to go to hell when the remaining people can't apply duct tape and chewing gum fast enough or the next rash of malware gets past the firewall.

    = = = =

    This reminds me of the "profiles" of school-age mass-murderers: They're always described as loners and introverts who don't get along with others in their school. In other words, just like all the nerds who get pounded on by the jocks and snubbed by the cheerleaders and queen-bees and react by withdrawing from contact with the "beautiful people" cliques. And every time one of these "studies" come out the administrators (generally former "beautiful people" themselves) dump on the nerds and side with the jocks that much more...

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  53. As opposed to the loading dock guys? by gelfling · · Score: 1

    Of course the IT guys are going to be the ones breaking the IT systems. It's axiomatic.

  54. Double agents are the best agents by gelfling · · Score: 1

    Typically your moles are the best intelligence agents you have. That's why it's hard to find them.

  55. Checklist... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1


    "almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly."

    Disgruntled = Management listens to outside consultants and does random IT stuff instead of listening to our advice? Check.
    Paranoid = Teaching outside consultants every detail about my job. Check.
    Late = Stay up late playing computer games. Check.
    Argumentative = Learned about this one years ago. No Check. WHEW!
    Poor Performer = Sarbanes Oxley procedures in place lowering performance by 75%. Massive audits for 1 line changes. Check.

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  56. obligatory 2: Monkey Boy. by twitter · · Score: 1

    They also sweat profusely throw chairs.

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  57. had to open your mouth by chrwei · · Score: 1

    shush you, you'll blow my cover

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  58. Solution... by ebers · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. -E.L. Kersten http://www.despair.com/demotivation.html

    1. Re:Solution... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      It's true. Some people are just negative and nothing you can do will change that. The trick is telling them apart from the people who have reasons for being unhappy.

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      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
  59. Oh so true. by twitter · · Score: 2, Funny

    Careful, making cynical comments like that may negatively affect your career prospects. Don't want to get labled as a whiner, people might think your planning to nuke the servers and fire you.

    Especially if your bosses who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly.

    Oh no!

    This story really needs to be filed under, "The best way to improve moral is to fire all the unhappy people."

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

  60. You don't have to do it. by twitter · · Score: 1

    didn't do it, but I did indulge in a daydream about it :-)

    People who act like assholes, eventually, are surrounded by the same. The result is disaster. Incompetence is self sabotaging, the problem is they are always looking for someone else to blame.

    Next time, make sure they remove your access and then never look back.

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    Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.

    1. Re:You don't have to do it. by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      I tried for the first two months after I left the group.
      I sent an email twice a week (Monday AM and Wednesday AM) for two months, nothing happened. I gave up (not my problem). I would have deleted myself, but ironically that required a second admin to auth.
      -nB

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  61. McCarthyism again... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    A little heavy handed perhaps? ... this guy sounds like a power tripping fuckwit. Tell a subset of your workers they the greatest risk to the security of the company then monitor them to see which ones react badly?

    No Shinola, Sherlock!

    "Anybody who disagrees with me is a threat to the company who should immediately be fired."

    Even a PHB should be able to recognize THAT one.

    But watch the ones who don't see through it start hamstringing their IT departments, firing their best IT people and executive-suite sanity-checkers, and then think the former employees sabotaged things when their IT infrastructure starts to rot without the "late-arriving disgruntled, argumentative, paranoids" around to maintain it.

    Fortunately it's to SOME extent self-correcting, as the companies who fall for this fad lose ground to competitors who don't. But meanwhile a lot of good IT people are going to get hurt.

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    1. Re:McCarthyism again... by Grimoire · · Score: 1

      I only wish this happened on a faster timeline then it seems to.

      If you're not a yes man (or from the previous company of a certain director), you're on the fast track to the unemployment line. I know logically that this will catch up to those playing along and that the company will suffer for it. The problem is that eventually the company will suffer for it.

      The good news is that those who've moved or were fired on are MUCH happier in their new positions. Bonuses can't come fast enough.

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  62. It's not the users. by twitter · · Score: 1

    as opposed to the armies of users that "sabotage" the desktops and network resources on a daily basis? sure... the IT guys are the problem.

    Only when the IT guys chose software that's easy to "sabotage." Are 25% of your desktops part of a bot net? Do you blame your users for that?

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  63. Re:Straight from the "No sh*t Sherlock" Department by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    I just show up late (but I stay late too). Ok, that and the gun I keep in my desk.

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  64. Lucky you. by twitter · · Score: 1

    Had there been a failure, the only competent person (aka Mr. Moody) would have been blamed.

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  65. Not so obvious. by twitter · · Score: 1

    Angry workers more likely to sabotage systems...

    That or those who let it show are more likely to be caught or blamed.

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  66. "secure" by xuanyou · · Score: 1

    Automating and using just passwords and user accounts to control the access of IT staff is largely insufficient. A *REALLY* disgruntled IT admin could easily plug in another network card to the server before he tenders his resignation, in addition to a thousand other backdoor possibilities. If the organisation's policies call on IT admins to check on one another, it may result in an atmosphere of fear in the IT department, further hampering progress and productivity. The only feasible solution is purely human. By fostering good rapport and relationships with not only their IT staff, but all their staff, managers and executives can build the network of trust that is so essential for continued good functioning of a company.

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    - xuanyou
  67. Yeah, I'd buy something from this guy....NOT by JakiChan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So as far as doing the right thing, I'd suggest that you start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk to your organization's security, and if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs of an impending attack. Gotta love the logic here. Even if I *was* shopping for password management tools I wouldn't buy one from that guy just based on that statement.
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    1. Re:Yeah, I'd buy something from this guy....NOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if I *was* shopping for password management tools I wouldn't buy one from that guy just based on that statement.
      He said you'd say that too.
    2. Re:Yeah, I'd buy something from this guy....NOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said you'd definitely say that. We've got to take your balls.

  68. What's wrong with your Notes install? by !eopard · · Score: 1

    I just wandered into our server room and checked the Notes (6) server for uptime: 130 days 5 hours 10 mins 15 secs. Coincidently there's about as many users as the number of days the server has been up - one thing we do have is mail file limitations, so there's nothing larger than a few GB, and only a handful are actually over 1GB.

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    1. Re:What's wrong with your Notes install? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Unix can handle that sort of thing. When did you last restart the server process? I'll bet it's a lot less than 130 days ago.

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      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    2. Re:What's wrong with your Notes install? by !eopard · · Score: 1

      I agree that *nix can handle that type of uptime. What I didn't mention was that this server is running WinNT4SP6... That time I gave was from the Notes process itself 'show server' which gives you an accurate amount of uptime of the Notes application server. Task manager is (well was, when I looked some hours back) showing ~3106 hours of idle time, so obviously not a good indication of how long Notes itself has been running...

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    3. Re:What's wrong with your Notes install? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      That is surprising, considering the whole reputation of eating up all available RAM; Perhaps you're just using an old version of Notes on an ancient (and possibly unsupported OS rev). Oh well, if it works for you...

      We've got exchange where I work, but that's mostly due to our crack-like addiction to the calendar.

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      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    4. Re:What's wrong with your Notes install? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're impressed with 130 days of uptime for a server that handles *only* about 130 users??

  69. Re:Pop psych bull setting up suits for major disas by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

    Watch the suits who saw this start canning their best IT people - zero-notice style. (That's where the employee arrives at work to find his cardkey doesn't work his passwords are rescinded, and he is escorted to HR where he is handed two weeks pay in lieu of notice, a box containing anything from his desk that the company didn't think was theirs, and a threatening document in lawyerese, and then kicked out of the building.)
    Interesting. This happened to me on monday. Being the lead security analyst for the company, they weren't taking any chances. They demanded that I leave my personal electronics too. I obliged, since I'm going back Thursday, and we all agreed we would go over the stuff then to make sure I wasn't stealing anything. I also didn't want to piss them off to the point they decided to not give me any type of severence or unemployment. I really can't afford that, let alone a lawyer, right now. They called today to let me know they had wiped my keydisk (personal) among other things.

    This was all done because I "don't work well with others" Translation: I felt more responsible to the company itself than to management's whims, and had, like most in my field, a somewhat aggressive personality about it. Unfortunately I reported to an operations group (no conflict of interest there, nosir), not the CIO, as I should (the last reorg resulted in this nonsense).

    This could have been handled much better. I fully understand the need to eject me without letting me touch a computer. No worries there. It is the best protection for both them and me. But they crossed the line messing with my personal stuff without my consent. I should have demanded that I take everything on that day and never come back. But there's that whole money issue. *sigh*
  70. These guys are idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The hidden assumption in the article is that most acts of sabotage can be definitively traced back to an individual... from what I've seen this is rarely the case.
    If you reject this assumption then the article is really about who gets blamed by management of sabotage (or random failures perceived as sabotage), it's no surprise that management would be quick to blame underperformers who are overtly hostile towards mgmt and/or their peers.

    In the second half of the "article" the advertiser seems to be advocating breaking the one to one relationship between a user and their privileged actions, something that is absolutely required for meaningful audits. This suggestion is idiotic on its face and reflects a lack of understanding about the analysis required after an incident.

  71. It its. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Are 25% of your desktops part of a bot net?

    No.

    Do you blame your users for that?

    Not within my organization, but at home? Sure. There's no *reason* for a Windows machine to be compromised other than by failing to patch it or simply being stupid.

    You seem to be all over the place on this article. Are you one of those non-productive people I've fired from IT? Because you sure sound like one.

  72. Re:Straight from the "No sh*t Sherlock" Department by khallow · · Score: 1

    You're making the unwarranted assumption that you can tell the difference between the two categories.

  73. IT Workers, or Supervisors? by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 1
    "...are almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly."

    Sounds like most of my prior bosses.

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  74. Theory "X" Lives... by wtansill · · Score: 3, Informative

    As long as you treat your staff as the enemy, they will be... http://www.accel-team.com/human_relations/hrels_03 _mcgregor.html

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  75. Interesting, I can think of a few more..... by krunk7 · · Score: 2, Funny
    I would be willing to bet the following are also true:
    1. Auto mechanics are the most likely to swindle you out of money for unnecessary auto repairs
    2. Cashiers are the most likely to steal from cash registers
    3. Doctors are, by a vast majority, the most likely culprits of malpractice
    4. And, of course, killers are almost assuredly responsible for most murders
  76. This Just In! by carpeweb · · Score: 1
    How To Spot Cybercriminals, From the DOH School of BadThings Prevention

    FTFA: "almost always IT workers who exhibit specific negative office behavior"
    FDSBtP: "because ordinary criminals never exhibit other negative behavior"

    FTFA: "disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly"
    FDSBtP: "because ordinary criminals are model citizens who just, one day, snapped"

    FTFA: "86 percent ... held technical positions and 90 percent had system administrator or privileged system access"
    FDSBtP: "because ordinary criminals almost never have the means or opportunity to commit their crimes"

    FTFA: "41 percent ... were employed at the time they did it but most ... by insiders following termination"
    FDSBtP: "because ... did I mention something about motives or opportunity?"

    FTFA: "64 percent ... involved VPNs and old passwords that had never been terminated"
    FDSBtP: "because you shouldn't bother changing your locks when your boyfriend moves out"

    FTFA: "not paying due care and attention to the people who are charged with looking after their systems ..."
    FDSBtP: "because all crimes are committed by anonymous strangers"

    FTFA: "Even outsourcing cannot resolve the problem fully"
    FDSBtP: "My God! You can't even trust strangers anymore!"

    FTFA: "Macleod's solution is password management ... containing the number of privileged accounts to three or fewer"
    FDSBtP: "What the world really needs is our New and Improved Solution"

    FTFA: "Passwords also need to be changed regularly"
    FDSBtP: "because ... did I mention something about changing the locks?"

    FTFA: "start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk to your organization's security"
    FDSBtP: "The call is coming from inside the house !"

    FTFA: "if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs"
    FDSBtP: "you don't believe me? Hey! I think the criminal is you !"

    FTFA: "automate the whole process. If privileged password management is not on your shopping list ..."
    FDSBtP: "and now, a word from our sponsor ..."
  77. Re:Pop psych bull setting up suits for major disas by bhsx · · Score: 1

    Funny, but I had to scroll up to see if I was reading Jon Katz. Lucky for me, I wasn't; but you may have a /. editor roll to add to your resume soon.

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  78. uh oh! by WeeBit · · Score: 1

    "almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly." Look out, a lot of people are going to be getting pink slips tomorrow!
  79. So the real title of the submission should be.... by GuyverDH · · Score: 1

    Research discovers that asshole managers lead to pissed off employees who end up not doing their jobs as well, or with as much loyalty as those who have managers who actually treat their employees with respect.

    Cure - kill the asshole managers. (Remember, the study was sponsored by the Military - that is their typical response to a problem isn't it?)

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  80. Well... by catdevnull · · Score: 2, Funny

    At the risk of being obvious or redundant--

    Aren't the IT people the only ones who smart enough to sabotage IT systems?

    I mean, those smug assholes up on the 42nd floor don't give a shit about how hard we work just to help them print their e-mail. We'll see how smug they are when....

    oh...wait...

    [BOFH]

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  81. hehehe by rakslice · · Score: 1

    Cool! A valid conclusion!

    Unfortunately, I have a hunch that managers fall broadly into two categories:
    - Those that have both the critical thinking skills to draw that conclusion and the management skills to keep their employees happy so that they don't need it;
    - Those that, like "Calum Macleod of Cyber-Ark", draw a conclusion with the cause and effect the wrong way around, _and_ bring it to their employees in the form of an ultimatum! ;)

    ' Macleod concluded: "So as far as doing the right thing, I'd suggest that you start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk to your organization's security, and if anyone of them disputes this, remember that arguing with colleagues was one of the clear signs of an impending attack." '

  82. Re:So the real title of the submission should be.. by bladesjester · · Score: 1

    Nope. The ones who make it out of the rank of 2nd Lt. usually get promoted to at least the rank of Col. over time.

    Sometimes General, but I believe that takes congressional approval now.

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  83. Article is pointless and obvious by Venik · · Score: 1

    Only skillful sysadmins can screw up your systems beyond recovery. Backup exclude files, su hooks, backdoors, scheduled jobs, compromised scripts and apps - the list of options goes well beyond what your standard password management can control. A smart disgruntled employee prepares his revenge ahead of time, not when they kick him out and cut his access. And if a system is compromised by an experienced sysadmin, the only person who can detect a potential problem would be... well, another experienced sysadmin. But, of course, if your company treats sysadmins like shit, chances are, the last smart guy to leave the building will clean you out and leave you with no recovery options.

    1. Re:Article is pointless and obvious by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      Only skillful sysadmins can screw up your systems beyond recovery

      But if there is a nine year old girl who understands UNIX handy you should be ok.

  84. THIS JUST IN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THIS JUST IN...

    A new expensive study has pinpointed the ultimate fate of a substance called "What". According to Professor Hobb V. Eskin-Clusion, "as this highly theoretical substance goes around the universe, it would have a tendency, as time approaches infinity, to ... well, to actually, uh, "come around", as we say amongst ourselves here in the lab. Come to think of it, they could use this expression in the world at large. Perhaps this study will break new ground in this respect."

    NEXT AT 11: MASSLESS DIET TRIALS END IN TRAGEDY

  85. Re:Pop psych bull setting up suits for major disas by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    - "Argue with colleagues"? Maybe yes-maning works in the executive suite. But when a crew of experts is chasing down a problem there will be a slew of hypotheses tried and discarded, with different workers coming up with different hypotheses and evidence to falsify them. To an outsider this looks like an argument, when it's actually progress. Experts will also often have differing opinions and will discuss them - ditto. (I recall one company where upper-level executives quietly added themselves to an engineering internal mailing list. There we discussed the latest problems - often heatedly - until they were solved. When one was solved the traffic on THAT problem stopped cold and another would take its place.

    Great observation.

  86. Logic Fallacy by rhinokitty · · Score: 0

    Obviously they can only speak to the ones who were caught, you can't know if a sabateur is surly unless you know that they are a sabeteur. This is also incidentally true for dragqueens.

  87. Useless in so many ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the article it appears that they are only talking about IT systems.

    Well obviously most of the people who sabotage IT systems will be disgruntled IT workers.

    Most of the people who sabotage sales relationships will be disgruntled salespeople and most of the people who sabotage marketing campaigns will be disgruntled marketing folks.

    You have people with the ability, opportunity and motive to hurt the company. Hiring unqualified people would get rid of their ability but of course it would hurt more than help. Locking them out of their own systems would remove the opportunity but it would prevent them from being able to do their jobs effectively. So you are left with keeping morale up so they don't have the motive.

    It isn't a technical problem, trying to find a technical solution will fail.

  88. they left out slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You guys _all_ fit the profile!

  89. research can confuse thermometer with temperature by _7miracles · · Score: 1

    This is just a general statistics, based on exposed crimes and detected offence, i.e. something solved, when you have cleared cases.

    No doubt, there is self-evident correlation between bad behavior and much higher probability in some point (layoff?) to get the burst of extremely bad behavior in relatively short period of time ("event").

    Still, I think that the most dangerous employees are the people with imperturbable common sense and brain of encryption calculator, and they are never ever exposed any bad behavior. Still they did work the greatest mischief, and not in state of some emotional outburst at all. Plus, they continue to work, and are promoted on the regular basis.

    There is no ground excuse for any illegalities, but people have healthy emotions, and it could be that some outbursts are caused by the fact that boss does not treat them fair at least on 85%.

    Sometimes it is better if employee can express the negative opinion and does not fear and does not need to hide his emotions (we're not talking about the total psychos here). Is not it better to understand the more or less open and visible problem(s) than be dumped by some sneaky insider who commits crime and never being caught.

    Sometimes the bad guy is such insider, sometimes it is your boss. Very often a bad employee is the product created by bad working process. Sometimes the analytical researches of such problems are too generic and just confuse thermometer with temperature.

  90. Yes, and by fmaresca · · Score: 1

    in general, they are the ones that have access to the IT resources and the knowledge necessary to clean up their footprints afterwards. In which form this is news? And please note, US military has been well feed for so long. I wonder how was the cost of this study. And for what the f* military needs it.

  91. Prevention not the issue - green-eyeshade mgmt is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This 'virtuous cycle' is a good reason to stay out of corporate IT at American companies.

    If you're with a rare IT group that has good relations with the business unit, and can collaboratively prioritize projects so you're not reacting all the time, stick with them, and let them know why. Otherwise, find a company who directly sells your software product, or services around that. Firms that only indirectly depend on you will screw you every time.

    Corporate IT is just a cost center, at most companies, and the CIO will never get adequate resources if they report through Finance. This problem is especially bad in health care and insurance firms.

    Consider corporate management, who generally didn't have either the inclination or the intellectual capacity to get a REAL technology degree, and don't get ongoing technology training. They secretly resent that they are dependent on "technology folks" - who they don't understand - for the companies operations (and survival, when things go wrong).

    And now, imagine you're a company like TJX (parent company of TJ Maxx and Marshall's), who have inappropriately retained credit card numbers, then had a security breach. They have NO IDEA how many people's numbers were lost.

    It's natural to look to IT as a scapegoat, when it's their own boneheaded prioritization that put information security last.

  92. Perhaps for some... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "IT espically, they are a dime a dozen andthere is 6 of them out there waiting to take the one job."

    That's because people go into IT because "they heard it was a good field to get into".

    The people who are good at IT are hard to replace and are usually rewarded that way. There's no doubt that when you break into the field it's rough. But that's when you distinguish yourself. Your hard work didn't stop the day you graduated from a university... oh wait... you didn't go to a University?

    Okay, let's start at the beginning:

    1) The IT field is littered with has-been's, wanna-be's and never-was-es. Don't be one of those. How?
    2) Show a commitment. Get a degree from a University. Doesn't matter what it is; if you're smart, you turn that to your advantage. If you want to be involved in the business, get a degree in business with a lot of programming courses. If you want to be involved primarily in the bits and bytes, get a degree more closely related to Computer Science. Information Management can be useful too, although the too are not at all similar. I have a computer science degree, my wife has an information management degree. I'm the director of architecture at a fortune 1000, she's a program manager at a fortune 2000.
    3) Where's the Sysadmin paths? Unfortunately, the days of the Unix Admin with infinite knowledge have all passed. Well, not all. There are a few old timers left. God bless them, love them to death. They're really smart, and those last few guys get paid a lot. The rest? A dead end job. It puts food on the table. It's better than working at Wal-Mart.
    4) All the good jobs in IT require that you start as a programmer. No exceptions. If you're not good at programming, you don't belong in IT.
    5) Set your sights on moving up. You don't want to be the 45 year old programmer. Not unless you're so good that people just leave you alone to develop. If you're not sure you're that good, then you aren't. If you are that good, you can tell because your boss never hassles you about your hours, or anything. They let you alone because you're the goose laying the golden egg. God bless you. You are the heart and soul of this industry.
    6) You've got to pay your dues in IT, and you may move around some. Changing jobs every 9 months guarantees you'll be a 50 year old programmer some day who knows VB6 really well and suddenly finds themselves without work.
    7) Get better all the time. Read read read. Be energetic.
    8) Understand the business you're in. Unless you aspire to #5. Push for ways to improve the business. And that doesn't include suggesting changes to the SCM.
    9) Develop a 6th sense about what will help your career. Usually that goes hand in hand with helping the business but not always. When the two diverge, it might be time to leave. You don't want to be the 60 year old programmer who is good at FORTRAN on VAX. If I have to explain this to you, then you shouldn't be looking for a job in IT.
    10) If you don't love this field, if you don't go into work in the morning because you can't imagine not doing it, then you don't belong in this field.

    1. Re:Perhaps for some... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But...but... I wish to become 60 year old programmer who is good, God damn it! People learned nothing about the old after Viagra came? Old folks like the same things they liked when they were young! I love this field and that is why I want to keep working the most exciting job in it until the day I kick the keyboard with my forehead...

      (thinks about it a few seconds)

      (waits till coworker leaves office)

      = slams his head against the keyboard =
      (nothing printable shows in edit window)

      = tries it again couple of times =
      (nothing printable shows in edit window)

      Oooh, GOD!

      "Rogers, step into my office... Have you been sleeping on a job?"

    2. Re:Perhaps for some... by unity100 · · Score: 1

      unfortunately in your points you are missing the fact that the biggest existing university is internet itself.

      there are few universities in the world that can give the practical, industry oriented education that the field requires. being from scholastic church roots, university instutition is something that cares not much about the practicality of teachings. you learn, learn lots. as one of our deans said in our orientation in the first branch class, "you will remember only 2-3% of what you have learnt here, and only a percentage of them will be usable in the field. yet, what matters and what you are here for is getting the engineering mindset"

      you scarcely need to have even that on the internet. the 'life' in it forces you and teaches you the mindset neccessary to solve problems, and on-the-fly too.

    3. Re:Perhaps for some... by notbob · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think you hit some really good points but completely missed the correct mindset to have for the general populace.

      I'm the director of operations for our company and definately would not hire you with that attitude.

      IT is NOT about University Degrees, sorry but 9 out of 10 people that go to college for this industry are the ones who don't belong here. Naturals are the best in this industry plain and simple, the kid who goes home every day and spends 6 hours a night learning on his own are the ones with the true talent that companies need to survive. A college kid can draw me a pretty diagram of a solution and slap a lot of fancy names to it but a natural will have already finished the project and gone back to playing quake and would just assume not be bothered.

      Some people actually enjoy programming, yeah I know a shock, guess what there's people that work in factories that are happy too. Not everyone needs to be shooting for the managers job, hell that would be a bad move for most people out there. Management is good for people who are good managers. Good IT person is not necessarily a good IT Manager.

      Thats great that you work for a fortune 1000, that is if you like that kind of job. I've worked in everything from small to fortune 500 companies, and frankly the best experiences we're to be had in the smaller organizations. Only 1 place in my life did I ever have a problem getting hired due to lack of a degree, Cintas wanted to hire me out of a contracting gig I was there on but couldn't because someone in HR demanded a college degree to do the job I'd been doing already for over 6 months. Funny how the kid without the degree is good enough to pay consulting hourly rates for but you won't hire on for less money as an employee, yeah thats bright thinking...

      Things are no way near as cut and dry as you make them sound, everyone gets ahead in life in their own way, and each of us has a different idea of sucess. You're idea of sucess is to play corporate games to get to the top, many people in IT are just happy to work with the technology and enjoy programming, others just like the fact they can get away with more being in IT. I could care less how late a sysadmin is to work as long as everything is working, a good sysadmin shouldn't have to show up very often.

    4. Re:Perhaps for some... by puddinghead1 · · Score: 1

      WTF! I'm a 48 yo developer.

    5. Re:Perhaps for some... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just had to comment on your list...

      1) The IT field is littered with has-been's, wanna-be's and never-was-es. Don't be one of those. How?

      Truer words were never spoken

      2) Show a commitment. Get a degree from a University. Doesn't matter what it is; if you're smart, you turn that to your advantage. If you want to be involved in the business, get a degree in business with a lot of programming courses. If you want to be involved primarily in the bits and bytes, get a degree more closely related to Computer Science. Information Management can be useful too, although the too are not at all similar. I have a computer science degree, my wife has an information management degree. I'm the director of architecture at a fortune 1000, she's a program manager at a fortune 2000.

      Everyone should try to get a degree. It helps. It also enables the "has-been's, wanna-be's and never-was-es". Seriously, if a person is lacking in skill and work reputation, how did they get hired? Perhaps because they have a degree. The biggest mistake that recent grads make is assuming the degree is a replacement for "paying dues", or doing an entry-level job. "I'm going straight into management!" I don't think so.

      3) Where's the Sysadmin paths? Unfortunately, the days of the Unix Admin with infinite knowledge have all passed. Well, not all. There are a few old timers left. God bless them, love them to death. They're really smart, and those last few guys get paid a lot. The rest? A dead end job. It puts food on the table. It's better than working at Wal-Mart.

      The situation is not quite as dire as you say, but it's getting that way. The world of system administration is especially cluttered with the "has-been's, wanna-be's and never-was-es". If anyone ever figured out how much downtime was caused by sloppy system administration, it would be a great job for those who really know how to do it. Until then, the executives just curse at their Blackberries as they ride their golf carts back to the 19th hole.

      4) All the good jobs in IT require that you start as a programmer. No exceptions. If you're not good at programming, you don't belong in IT.

      Bravo! Many of these people don't realize it, but the IT professionals who never programmed are putting their ignorance on display every day. It's hard to have any respect for people who don't have a healthy understanding of how programs are written. You get that understanding by doing the job.

      5) Set your sights on moving up. You don't want to be the 45 year old programmer. Not unless you're so good that people just leave you alone to develop. If you're not sure you're that good, then you aren't. If you are that good, you can tell because your boss never hassles you about your hours, or anything. They let you alone because you're the goose laying the golden egg. God bless you. You are the heart and soul of this industry.

      Be careful about WHEN and WHERE you move up. Even more important than moving up is catching the next wave of technology.

      6) You've got to pay your dues in IT, and you may move around some. Changing jobs every 9 months guarantees you'll be a 50 year old programmer some day who knows VB6 really well and suddenly finds themselves without work.

      As a hiring manager, I am very wary of job-hoppers. Some people think it makes for an impressive resume. To me, it says, "If I hire this person, I can plan on hiring a replacement within a year because they have never worked that long anywhere else". The job-hopper runs a risk of being permanently typecast as such.

      7) Get better all the time. Read read read. Be energetic.

      This needs to be your hobby as well as your profession. I like to hire fanatics, and harvest the power of fanatacism.

      8) Understand the business you're in. Unless you aspire to #5. Push for ways to improve the business. And that doesn't include suggesting changes to the SCM.

      That understanding comes from talking to any

    6. Re:Perhaps for some... by pilbender · · Score: 0

      A lot of what you're saying is true, but I don't agree with all of it. I've often wondered what's going to happen when I'm 50 or so. There's a school of thought that says you have to be an architect or a manager once you reach a certain age because you just can't keep coding much past that. I've never heard any "real" reason why, aside from burnout but that's not necessarily age related . I just don't see any reason why people who are older can't be equally if not more effective in this field. It depends one their background and willingness to change when better paradigms come along. I hope that I'm one of those who is able to stay in a it if I choose.

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      Fresh horses and more whiskey for my men.
    7. Re:Perhaps for some... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      Some people are naturally inclined toward CS, but generally the best people are people who have both inclination and the dedication needed to get a degree.

      Natural talent without the focusing influence of a degree usually produces the sort of brilliant-but-erratic person who is a fricking NIGHTMARE to replace...Much better to hire two less brilliant minds who will do decent work, and not leave a giant hole in your company when they inevitably move on.

      I've seen this over and over. If you're a startup, and you want to grab hold of a genius to make your revolutionary never-been-done-before product, grab a guy who dropped out of high school at 12 to code full time...But if you want a guy to design your financial applications, or code your CMS, or design your network, or build your rocket...Get someone whose work is going to be clean and professional.

      --
      ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
    8. Re:Perhaps for some... by L0rdJedi · · Score: 1

      Except that most places aren't going to hire two less brilliant minds because the two less brilliant minds will probably want the same pay as the single brilliant mind. So instead, they'll hire one less brilliant mind and end up with a shoddy setup and someone that 1) takes forever to answer support calls and 2) when they are answered, instead of looking for a way to make the problem not happen again, just fixes the immediate issue and leaves.

      Most of the companies I've worked with and seen would much rather have someone brilliant on staff then someone that's just decent. I myself have seen "decent" work done and while it is decent, it's usually far from the best way to do things. Experience goes a long way in IT and it becomes immediately visible when the guy with 10-20 years experience can look at something and say "Yeah, I probably would've done the same thing 10-20 years ago". So if someone's been doing it for 10 years already (ie, since they were a kid), I'd much rather have them then the guy fresh out of college with no practical experience. Of course, trade schools are a bit different and some of those people come out pretty well too.

    9. Re:Perhaps for some... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      I disagree...I myself am a coder, and I started out without a degree, and got a degree later...The upshot of this is that while I know the right way to do it, in times of stress I revert to crazy ass voodoo methods which work, but which are completely unsupportable by normal people...I got started in LISP, as an example, so I fall back on recursion at times when it's quicker to type than bulkier iterative loops, and I also have that "who needs meaningful variable names?" issue that seems to afflict the self-taught.

      I get people sending me code snippets from a fricking decade ago where even I don't know what the hell I was thinking anymore...I just helped out a guy by turning a 10 line chunk of perl into a 90 line chunk of semi-readable perl, and I had trouble convincing the guy that the new code was functionally identical to the old code...That is a serious problem for a business.

      You hire a "brilliant" person who doesn't have a solid grounding in "the way things are supposed to be done" you get someone whose idiosyncratic methods and disregard for style issues creates this morass of functional but unsupportable work, and when that person gets hit by a bus, or gets fed up and quits, you have no one who can follow what's been done, and no one who can fix it if it breaks, and that is a terrible position to put yourself in as a company.

      Get a plodder who does readable, straightforward work without crazy leaps of brilliance, and you'll reap the benefit of it for years to come. Get an erratic genius, and everything that you've got will hinge on keeping that cult of personality alive by hiring more people who can maintain that work, and the type of people who can maintain that work will only make the problem worse.

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      ad logicam Claiming a proposition is false because it was presented as the conclusion of a fallacious argument.
    10. Re:Perhaps for some... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At first I regarded this post as missing the big point, but actually I think you hit very close to home.

      2 - The whole college degree isn't about being in the industry, as you say. It's to show commitment to improving ones self and sticking through to the end (To move up in any business sense requires a degree, whether you get it at 22 or 42, just get one, even "Underwater Basketweaving").
      3 - My brother is one of the new top-dog Unix-Admins with infinite knowledge at his company. He worked his ass off to get there, working in college labs, moving all the time to any and every Unix admin position (mostly contract) and playing with all the *BSD's and *Nix variants out there in his spare time. His biggest advice to people who want to become a Unix sysadmin is "Don't", Admin paths are created from doing it all, knowing it all and having the right knowledge and attitude in the interview.
      4 - Completely agree. Nothing jilted me to the field more than being called back to a contract position (at twice my old pay) to teach the new kid with his shiny Masters Degree in Computer Science (from Alabama) how to use a command line interface in two days.
      5 - Jilted to the industry? Yes, I moved up and out into accounting. Several years as a C programmer, moving into Mainframes (operator to programmer) and actually achieving my goal of a 6-digit figure in pay (Bonuses) in one year, I left. Being the go-to person leads you with 80+ hour weeks (14-hours a day, 6-days a week) with on-call (Essentially making it 7 days a week). My Dad made it up to management, then came back down to be the 55-year-old programmer, because he LOVED programming and found a company that would leave him alone to play (some days, nethack is all the programming he does).
      6 - Again, i agree. I left a *good* contract position programming C back-end apps for Mainframe Operations, spent a few YEARS there before I moved into programming at that company. I know more about Mainframes at every capacity (How many programmers can IPL with their eyes closed?) than half the programmers I know. Sometimes if you know where you want to go for the money, you HAVE to take the low-rung job and BE THE BEST! I can not stress that enough, being the best low-level employee at a good company will get you promoted quickly.
      7 - Again, this is true, keep up on everything. Always prepare the information that's coming up, and make little helpful programs all the time. Even re-inventing the wheel is good, if you have the code to show how you did it. You never know who will see those little programs and be so impressed it gets you noticed in a good light.
      8 - Again, true. Talk to people outside of your department. Also remember the biggest understanding you will gain is from social networking: go out for beers with your peers! Again, when you have someone outside of IT calling to have a hard problem to solve, it gets you noticed if they ask for you by name because they know you can fix things, and know your name from outside of work.
      9 - This is a must. I'm in accounting now. Less pay, very true, but my job CAN NOT be outsourced (thank you SOX compliance, taxes, all the nice laws about money handling), I have my own office (with a door, walls and TWO windows, something I never had in IT), People respect me and are AMAZED just completely AMAZED at my "Excel" skills (I'm not joking, freezing panes and adding a Filter just blows away some peoples minds), I haven't heard the phrase "Please do the needful" in a long long long time.
      10 - I build computers and do tech support for friends and co-workers as a side business for fun on the weekends. I love the field of IT, I knew it when I left and started up a profitable hobby I changed into a small side business. When I retire, I will still be doing IT and IT related things. If you can't say this, you don't belong in the field.

      The biggest advice you left off, or didn't explain, is that companies don't care about their IT workers. The biggest problem I have at work is my current IT departmen

    11. Re:Perhaps for some... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      IT is like sports. You need to "learn the fundementals" from somewhere.
      A great deal of those fundementals include bits that seem to have no
      apparent practical application. It helps to know how the machines work
      at both a physical and mathematical level. There's no substitute for
      being able to grok that stuff and actually grokking it.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    12. Re:Perhaps for some... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Anyone can slap something together haphazardly. Whether or not
      that hack will stand the test of time and be maintainable is
      entirely another matter.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    13. Re:Perhaps for some... by crabpeople · · Score: 1

      If I were you I'd kill myself. To each his own.
      Be more energetic? Youre like begging me to erase all your email aren't you?

      --
      I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
    14. Re:Perhaps for some... by unity100 · · Score: 1

      10 years ago, maybe. actually the fundamentals are too well documented in the web now. and better yet, some of those have visual material - something which you can use over and over again to get the grip of it. and dont forget forums. its like a never ending class.

    15. Re:Perhaps for some... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If I were you I'd kill myself."

      If you were me, then I guess I'd be just as big an asshole as you are.

      No, just kidding, hahahaha.

      "Youre like begging me to erase all your email aren't you?"

      MS Exchange erases message all on it's own. The fact that you're sleeping in front of the console when it happens doesn't exactly make you a 1337 H4xx0r.

      With your abilities, there's every chance you'll wipe out your inbox long before mine.

      I'm not exactly trembling at your threat.

      Besides, anybody who admins Windows boxes isn't really in the computer industry. I'm guessing the checkout girl at the local Giant Foods makes more than you per year. And she's at least smart and pleasant to look at.

  93. Or More likely... by KKlaus · · Score: 1

    They could just post complaints on slashdot. But seriously, I don't know why more attention isn't payed to managerial malice. How many companies have we seen suffer because leadership knows long term problems are irrelevant as they plan on using their golden parashute before then?

    And for the IT thing again though, it's not a good idea to commit crimes when you are one of only a few with capability, oppurtunity, and motive. So the hands of your average IT worker are generally pretty tied. Hence the slashdot posting.

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    Relax I just want some peanuts.
  94. Dude.. by kan0r · · Score: 1

    ..we must be working in the same company!? What are the odds!

  95. It's just statistics by msobkow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly.

    Here I thought that:

    • Disgrunted meant you weren't happy with unstable systems that require hand-holding.
    • Paranoia meant that you give a damn about system security, intrusion detection, logging to enable counter-intrusion measures, etc.
    • Showing up late meant you were handling the pager calls.
    • Arguing with colleagues meant you care about your job and system quality.

    So most good IT people fit the profile, but maybe the last point is valid. :p

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    I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
    1. Re:It's just statistics by tacocat · · Score: 1

      Close. A lot of the signs they talk about aren't the signs that people actually provide before the "snap" and go on a shooting spree. The article makes for a nice jumping point to move all the IT hardware to India and send the admins in North America packing.

  96. Oh YEAH!!! by StressGuy · · Score: 1

    Fine!! I'm taking you all with me!!!!

    Mwuhahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

    Warmest Regards,

    Joe

    --
    A goal is a dream with a deadline
  97. I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late,
    > argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly.

    In other words, all of us. I thought this was an unwritten part of every IT job description?

  98. Yeah, but Karma can be nice.... by StressGuy · · Score: 1

    A few years back, I went back to my home stomping grounds to settle the estate of me recently deceased mother. One of the things I had to do was market and sell her home. We got a family friend, who owned a realty in on it. Turns out, a high school classmate of mine was working for him - one of the "jocks". This guy had girls dripping off of him back in the day. These days, however, he's middle aged, bald, and hoping to eventually get his realtor license so he can sell homes too. He asked me if I made the last high school reunion. I told him I hardly get back to this area anymore and had, in fact, just gotten back from Malaysia where I was overseeing structural mods to a fleet of Boeing 767s for Malaysia Airlines. Oh, and the "Hard Rock Cafe" in Kuala Lampur was pretty cool.

    I suppose I could have gloated, but I kinda felt sorry for him.

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    A goal is a dream with a deadline
  99. I think you confuse "intellect" with "guile"... by StressGuy · · Score: 1

    To truly conceal your feelings or intent is extremely difficult, the only possible advantage you might have is that people wont see it because the "don't want to", or just aren't looking for it.

    Maybe, for a day or two, you could pull it off, but every day....day-in...day-out...having to pretend that you're happy and everything is fine...the stress of even attempting to do so could be what sends some people over the edge.

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    A goal is a dream with a deadline
    1. Re:I think you confuse "intellect" with "guile"... by RESPAWN · · Score: 1

      I did it day in and day out for about 8 months at my previous job. The big difference was that I had a cabal of close friends with whom I worked and with whom I could express my discontentment. I was searching for a new job off and on for those 8 months, but I was looking in another state and it's hard to go on job interviews 13 hours away when you only have a limited number of days off. In the end, when I decided that I'd finally had enough, I went to lunch one Thursday and came back having made the decision to just say "forget it" and leave. I put in my two weeks notice the following Monday, and everybody in the office was surprised because they all thought I was so happy there.

      But yes. It does wear on you. That's why I would take 1.5 - 2 hour lunches every day - just to get the f--k away from that place and recompose myself for the rest of the day.

      --

      If Murphy's Law can go wrong, it will.

  100. It doesn't work that way by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does your company give out a "sociopathic manager of the year" award, too?

    Don't worry. I guarantee you'll regret being such an jerk to people when you're passing middle age and you've got mountains of "stuff" to your name but not a real friend in the world.


    _If_ he's a sociopath (you can't diagnose that from just one message), it just doesn't work that way. You're making the usual mistake of assuming that all humans are essentially, well, equally human and you only need appeal to someone's humanity/feelings/moral-sense/flash-of-enlightenme nt to thaw even the coldest heart. We like to think that assholes are just the result of some trauma making them retreat behind a facade of callousness, and it only takes some emotional argument to get them out of that shell. Which makes great for great novels movies, but isn't what psychiatry tells us.

    Sociopathy is, simply put, completely lacking the empathy and connection to other humans. It's being the only human in a single-player world full of generic NPCs. They're not your peers, they don't matter, their feelings don't matter, they're there just to be used, abused, manipulated, lied to, whatever gets you closer to your objectives.

    Think of your relationship to NPCs in a computer game. Do you really care what that generic NPC in Oblivion or GTA feels or thinks? Do you care if he/she had a bad day, or if his/her kid is sick? Would you feel any sense of accomplishment of having him/her as a friend? Would you feel bad for clicking on a complete lie dialogue choice just to finish a quest? Would you even really think of them as a "he" or a "she", or more along the lines of "it"? I mean, don't be silly, it's just a game and just a scripted NPC. Right?

    Well, in a nutshell that's the kind of world that a sociopath lives in. You can't even be seen as a friend by one. You're at most a sucker to be used for a purpose, even if that purpose is a few minutes of entertainment.

    So expecting that one would wake up one day and think "man, I wasted my life, I should have made friends" is naive. That's the kind of notion that doesn't even compute in their world. Or not for the same meaning of "friend" that you'd use.
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    A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
    1. Re:It doesn't work that way by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      _If_ he's a sociopath (you can't diagnose that from just one message), it just doesn't work that way.



      Yes. That's one of the things you need to realize if you don't want to find yourself ground down if you happen to be forced to work with a true sociopath. They don't work that way. Trying to "enlighten" them this way is about the same as trying to teach a colorblind person about colors, or explain to someone who was born deaf what a piece by Mozart sounds like.


      They don't realize what they are doing to others. They don't have no remorse, they don't need it in the first place. The world is about them. They are their only concern.



      Sociopathy is, simply put, completely lacking the empathy and connection to other humans. It's being the only human in a single-player world full of generic NPCs.



      I love that analogy.

    2. Re:It doesn't work that way by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      We mostly seem to aggree. The only thing I'd somewhat debate is the "They don't realize what they are doing to others" part. Most tend to realize very well what they're doing to others, and may be even entertained by it. What they don't realize is why on Earth would they really care about any damage done to others.

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      A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
  101. [+] captainobvious, duh, obvious, by anshil · · Score: 1

    Well this is always the problem with social research. Everybody thinks he knows better by common sense.

    You research something: Result is in concensus with your common sense, feelings: you get tagged "[+] captainobvious, duh, obvious"
    You research something: Result is contrary with your common sense, feeling: you get tagged "wrong, stupid, this cannot be true".

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    Karma 50, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt.
  102. This is really stupid!! by snero3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know that a lot of you out there will be thinking, "hell ya, it is managements fault we are treating like this so lets get back at them but destroying their systems."

    Believe me guys that is not the case, the only people you hurt are your co-workers. I joined a company where a lot of the Admin stuff were fired. Some of them left nice little surprises that went off a couple of days later. Guess who was there until 3am in the morning putting everything back together? I can tell you it wasn't the managers. I can also tell you that those guys that got fired lost many good friends the day they did that and a lot of hard earned respect. Most of them are still looking for jobs a year later as NO ONE from their previous job (which many had held for 6+ years) will give them a good reference anymore because of their actions.

    So my point is that if you are pissed off at management then complain or leave. Don't destroy things as it only hurts your co-workers not management.

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    It said "windows 98 or better" so I installed Linux
    1. Re:This is really stupid!! by flajann · · Score: 1
      No shit, Sherlock!

      Really, it is a rather puerile thing to do such pranks, and I see no value in it whatsoever.

      And yes, it really pisses off the employees and kills any possibility of a reference. And in today's job market, one needs all the good references one can get. Especially if you've been at a place for 6 years!

      On the other hand, I've been at a couple of places that, when I gave them my letter of resignation, they were quick to user me out of there, not let me near the computer, and give 2 weeks' pay without the work (in addition to severance), even though I offered to continue to work until the time was up.

      I thought it was a bit paranoid on their parts, because if I had intended to do something so stupid and puerile as to sabatoge something, I would have had it in place before giving them my letter of resignation!

      Well, stupidity goes both ways. It generally assures me that I'll never do anymore work for a company in the future if they treat me with suspicion that way, and I'll definitely NOT recommend anyone to work for them.

    2. Re:This is really stupid!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it only hurts your co-workers not management.

      Those ungrateful festering piles of brainless slack? Nooo, we wouldn't want to hurt them AT ALL.

    3. Re:This is really stupid!! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      That's why you get your co-workers fired first.

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    4. Re:This is really stupid!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know that a lot of you out there will be thinking, "hell ya, it is managements fault we are treating like this so lets get back at them but destroying their systems."


      Umm. No. But it says a lot about you and your way of thinking that you would assume that.
  103. The pot calling the kettle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk"

    Sounds like someone is paranoid...

    "if anyone of them disputes this"

    Well, that's certainly one way to squelch the arguments with colleagues. Another messianic complex?

  104. in other "news"... by amiak · · Score: 1

    muggers usually wear cheap black knitted hats

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    accurately define good according to a criteria and seek it out.
  105. No shit ! My experience by COredneck · · Score: 1

    I have this idea of "Management makes a difference". I worked for managers that I liked and respected. For those people, I went out of my way to help them out and to make them look good. I had a few managers that were total jerks and I would only put in the minimum necessary.

    My line of work is being a Unix Sys Admin. One of the jerks was so bad, I was responsible for many different things but yet, I was not permitted to make the decision to decide the course of the outcomes. My hands were tied so his favored boys can look good. They could do no wrong. I had to constantly deal with their screw ups.

    My last several months in the place got so bad that when I went to go to the bathroom (#2), when I get finished, I get hassled such as being asked, "where were you". It was then followed by, "let me know where you are at if it is more than 5 minutes and I want to know what you are doing". I basically told him it was none of his business when I went the the bathroom. I then said, "do I need to raise my hand like in grade school so I can go take a dump ?"

    I had an opportunity to interview at a different job, same company, I took a Thursday afternoon off. We have flex time. He found out and mentioned to me that I had to ask his permission to take time off for the interview. When I got an offer, I was out of there ! Right before I left, he tried to sabotage my departure. A "contact" told me that he tried to find some adverse paperwork on me. The paperwork was luckily withheld.

    The gist of it was, why didn't I pull something like this ? Well, there is integrity even dealing with the biggest asshole manager. I respected my co-workers and didn't want them to have to deal with a mess. When I left, I mentioned to my co-worker that if he needed anything, give me a call directly and not go through my former manager. I told him if my former manager wanted anything, his request would be flatly be denied.

  106. ToDo by EXMSFT · · Score: 1

    1: Rent the re-release of Office Space. Re-watch it a few times to appreciate the humor that more than likely mirrors some epoch of each of our lives.
    2: Watch the all-too-brief overview with Mike Judge and many of the (other) actors at the beginning of the DVD. Stephen Root will even explain where the squirrels being married line came from.

  107. About the preference to work late by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    This one I've never understood. Why is the default and nearly universal choice to work late as opposed to early? When I need to minimize my impact on business services, I come in at 4AM or some such time. Of course, some of my bosses (not the current, but occasionally in the past) are horrified when I walk out the door at 3:30PM, so I guess you can't win no matter how you approach the problem. Still, early works much better for me; I wonder how much of a minority I'm in regarding this.

    1. Re:About the preference to work late by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      It's called self-preservation in the face of a typical co-worker environment.

      If you get up at four, work for a few hours, then come in at nine as usual, people expect you to stick around 'till five. Oh, just wait one more minute.. But, we have a lunch meeting scheduled, can I see you on your way out, etc, blah blah.

      If you work 9-5 and stay up a little late to do whatever needs doing during non-peak hours, you log in at, say, 11pm, go to bed at one and come in a few hours late the next day.. but by the end of the day, you're all caught up with everyone else.

      I guess, the point is, that a lot of office-people-to-people interaction occurs in the early-to-middle of the afternoon, and sometimes bleeds 'till EOD. Missing that is more critical than missing the part of your day when you sit bleary-eyed at your terminal.

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    2. Re:About the preference to work late by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      I can't speak for others, but I don't really intend to come in late; it just happens.

    3. Re:About the preference to work late by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Why is the default and nearly universal choice to work late as opposed to early?

      In addition to the points already mentioned:

      Metabolism:
        - There are "morning people" and "afternoon/night people" and the latter are more common.
        - Changing to a later wake time is easier for most people than changing to earlier.

      Time-stretching:

      Staying on task beyond "quitting time" into "uninterrupted by colleagues time" is tempting - especially when the task is one that requires keeping a lot of mental state, such as debugging an issue in a complicated system or a program. Continuing it once started is MUCH easier than putting it down and picking it up the next day, since the latter involves "reloading" the mental "task state" - bringing all the information back into short-term memory. For many people this is usually more of a disadvantage than "sleeping on the problem" is an advantage.

      IT workers, especially, tend to be solving a lot of short-term problems that were assigned to them during the day, which plays into that "keep state loaded" issue. Further, putting some hot-button problem off to the next day so they can leave early is seen as "shirking" - displaying another of TFA's "warning signs" as well as leaving a lot of co-workers with unsolved problems chewing their fingernails for the rest of the day.

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    4. Re:About the preference to work late by abb3w · · Score: 1

      Continuing it once started is MUCH easier than putting it down and picking it up the next day, since the latter involves "reloading" the mental "task state" - bringing all the information back into short-term memory.

      In other words, the architecture of the human brain wetware, and its paging and sleep(1) calls, makes this a better solution. And you thought paging to disk in Windows was bad.... =)

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    5. Re:About the preference to work late by Darlantan · · Score: 1

      Well, personally, I'm a night owl anyway. I have a hard time functioning before noon, and my best sleep falls somewhere between 0600 - 1000.

      As for doing things late instead of a little early? I prefer it that way because Murphy's law is a bastard. I'd rather know that if the planets align just right and the increased gravitational influence just so happens to cause Jim Bob to trip and take out one of the core office switches with his face while swapping UPS batteries, I've got a little time to get on the horn and have a replacement sent out before users start coming in and complaining about where their youtube^H^H^H^H^H^H^H outlook went.

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  108. Who says you have to be smart to sabotage? by beerdini · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sure if you're talking about sabotage as in taking time to plan out something that causes harm to the system, you probably have to be in IT and pretty smart, or you can take a basic approach. You know that owner/supervisor or whatever higher up that thinks that they are so important that they need full system access...give it to them. I've had to recover a system after one of the higher ups decided that they didn't need want a system directory folder anymore and decided to delete it. Needless to say after that an audit was performed on the system to see who had rights to things that they shouldn't have, and I finally had the approval to apply the restricted rights policy that I'd been advocating for months.

  109. What to do about bad bosses by plopez · · Score: 1

    Mention thier behavior to HR, that they are not following company policy and creating a hostile environment. At that point the career prospects of said manager with the company will be limited as they have 'hostile environment' associated with them. It would also be good if several colleges come forward with similar information to back you up.

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  110. Reporting is Key by __aavonx8281 · · Score: 1

    I think given the statistics on how grossly under-reported computer crime is today this report might be somewhat suspect. You can conclude that the people who report these incidents are also keeping tabs on bad workers. Perhaps they suspect the workers of wrongdoing all along and are collecting information on them? However, I don't think you can draw conclusions to 'cyber crime' in general, these findings only relate to reported computer crime, which is only a small percentage of the total. Not only that, but these statistics only apply to the perpetrators who were *caught* so you've got an even smaller sample.

  111. Re:Straight from the "No sh*t Sherlock" Department by Magada · · Score: 1

    Retaliate by succeeding indeed. Worked my way out of a moron-level job, to find I now had a much harder, if more satisfying one and a bonus PHB. Ok, back to work. Sidestepped said PHB in another year's worth of efforts, finally on the right track to a posting that fits me and executive benefits. Then, just as things started to look up, a reorganisation comes from On High (with no rhyme or reason, as these things usually go). Got sidelined as a result of the fact that the new boss can't trust anyone - that's three years of my life down the drain. Trust me, nothing is worth giving some job more than your cursory interest and whatever effort is needed to get to the next paycheck. Want the satisfaction of growing as a professional? Work freelance.

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  112. Fight Club by Chris+Daniel · · Score: 1

    Boss: Pretend you're me, make a managerial decision: you find this, what would you do? "Jack": [pauses] Well, I gotta tell you: I'd be very, very careful who you talk to about that, because the person who wrote that...is dangerous. [Gets up from the chair] "Jack": [Talking slowly] And this button-down, Oxford-cloth psycho might just snap, and then stalk from office to office with an Armalite AR-10 carbine gas-powered semi-automatic weapon, pumping round after round into colleagues and co-workers. This might be someone you've known for years. Someone very, very close to you.

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  113. Merry by paladinwannabe2 · · Score: 1

    The Squirrels were merry, not Married. Think Robin Hood and his 'Merry Men'.

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  114. Re:Pop psych bull setting up suits for major disas by syrinx · · Score: 1

    - "disgruntled"? With the continuing budget shortfalls, IT resource expansion always lagging company growth, lusers opening virus email, ... I have yet to meet a "gruntled" IT professional.

    "gruntled" is actually a bad thing -- "disgruntled" means, more or less, "extremely gruntled". It's not the same "dis" as in "dissatisfied" or something.

    Now you know, and knowing is half the battle!

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  115. fitting the profile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone who 'fits the profile', I can only quip- "86 percent of those who committed cybercrimes held technical positions and 90 percent had system administrator or privileged system access." Duh... Does the phrase "crime of opportunity" mean anything to you? Likewise, I would advise any PHBs out there, that in addition to the wise strategy of not trusting a lone shady sysadmin, you ought to actually invest in the resources to implement at least a rudimentery transparent layer of best practices, so that there is never a situation in which you are even tempted to trust a lone shady sysadmin.

  116. fear and loathing in Pittsburgh .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

    "I'd suggest that you start from the basis that your IT staff are the biggest risk to your organization's security"

    Actually the people you should really watch out for are your own executive officers and your auditing company.

    Top 100 Corporate Criminals of the Decade

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    1. Re:fear and loathing in Pittsburgh .. by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      Actually the people you should really watch out for are your own executive officers and your auditing company.

      Arthur Andersen was aquitted on appeal. The consensus of all the accountants I know is that they were basically blameless, but that doesn't matter now because the company is dead.

    2. Re:fear and loathing in Pittsburgh .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

      "Arthur Andersen was aquitted on appeal. The consensus of all the accountants I know is that they were basically blameless"

      Why did AA instruct its employees to erase documents relating to Enron after discovering there would soon be investigated by the SEC. What was in all the documents they shreaded. It's odd for any auditing company to go about erasing records. They were aquitted because of a flawed jury instruction, not because anyone considered them innocent. The opinions of accountants you know don't count.

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    3. Re:fear and loathing in Pittsburgh .. by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 1

      No one is ever aquitted because of flawed jury instructions. At most, a conviction can be overturned and a new trial ordered.

      Why did AA instruct its employees to erase documents relating to Enron after discovering there would soon be investigated by the SEC. What was in all the documents they shreaded.
      Hell if I know -- I'm a computer programmer. I generally listen to my wife and the other big four (previously five) accountants she knows, especially the ones who used to work at Andersen.

      The opinions of accountants you know don't count.
      It counts a lot more than your opinion of what is and isn't odd for people in a different profession to do.

  117. On the flip side... by Phleg · · Score: 2, Informative
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    1. Re:On the flip side... by fatalGlory · · Score: 1

      I'm about to start IT at university (combined with Teaching actually). But to make money, I've spent this year mowing lawns and cleaning toilets and such in a caravan park (a trailer park for the yanks I guess), a tourist type holiday place next to the beach. Hard work, no respect from customers. I had pretty good bosses though.

      I'll agree, they took advantage of the fact that I was an IT guy. There were times when I felt seriously unappreciated and the whole "they wouldn't last long without me..." mentality crept in. Still, I feel it necessary after that to remind the IT guys that they have the best job! Someone already said, if you aren't doing an IT job because you can't imagine not doing it, you don't belong in the industry. You've got it great. There is a lot of frustration that comes with IT support work for one reason - STUPID PEOPLE. Plain and simple, but we were all them once. We didn't know HTML or how to find our desktop machine's IP or any of those things we now arrogantly consider general knowledge.

      I've come to the conclusion that to be good at IT support, you have to enjoy the satisfaction that comes with working towards the best system possible and you have to have the personal quality of being very patient with people who don't have the same analytical mind as you (let's face it, if you can program, you have a very analytical and calculating way of thinking that most of the office n00bs don't share - that's why they hired you!).

      then again, I've never been an IT professional for any extended period so I'm hoping someone corrects my misconceptions.

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    2. Re:On the flip side... by WK1 · · Score: 0

      They're also the most productive! http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/302397_grum pyworkers05.html

      It's like Homer said. You can use facts to prove anything.

  118. The relativity of creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a bit of trouble with that, I think. People perceive different things as creepy.

    In my case I find my co-worker who is excessively quiet and guarded of any and all personal details to be creepy. She almost never speaks (or otherwise communicates via text message, email, post-it note) to anyone unless it's totally nessecary. She hasn't put a single personal item on her desk - as if she's prepared to leave at any second. She speaks up in meetings only because she was told to do so because the clients were complaining. At the office it's back to barely audible whisper-speak. She creeps in and out of the office without saying hello or goodbye to anyone and if she's leaving early she doesn't tell anyone (we're support analysts so someone needs to be on hand in case the app she supports has an issue).

    Just describing this only gives a hint of the kind of tangibles that circle my gut feeling that she's creepy. Others don't really feel so creeped out, but they also haven't had to work directly with her. Either she's just a really super quiet person, or she's using the company to get her through the remainder of college (before she ditches with no notice), or she's planning on using the job for some other purpose.

    No matter how many times I try to open up things or get a dialogue going, the psychological door is shut in my face. I'd defenitely feel like ass if I made a mistake in this, and so I'm afraid to act because I don't know how to act.

  119. Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wham, that punch know where it took. Mod parent up.. please.

  120. Re:Pop psych bull setting up suits for major disas by nikanj · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of the "profiles" of school-age mass-murderers: They're always described as loners and introverts who don't get along with others in their school. In other words, just like all the nerds who get pounded on by the jocks and snubbed by the cheerleaders and queen-bees and react by withdrawing from contact with the "beautiful people" cliques. And every time one of these "studies" come out the administrators (generally former "beautiful people" themselves) dump on the nerds and side with the jocks that much more...
    I'm guessing people who really liked school (not just the social life) become school administrators. And surprisingly people who like school tend to be the introverted nerds, not the "beautiful people".
  121. Thanks for the flowers, friend! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't want to be the 45 year old programmer. Not unless you're so good that people just leave you alone to develop. If you're not sure you're that good, then you aren't. If you are that good, you can tell because your boss never hassles you about your hours, or anything. They let you alone because you're the goose laying the golden egg. God bless you. You are the heart and soul of this industry.
    Woo-hoo! I'm 45, and my boss (the CIO) just asked me if it was OK if they scheduled a meeting for 10:00 AM, "because we really need you at this one and I know you don't like to come in early".

    Been writing code all day...
  122. thats hot by crabpeople · · Score: 1

    Man that sounds like the perfect women co worker to me! Maybe even the perfect wife! Quiet and reserved beats never-shuts-up about her inane life, everytime.

    I'd ask her out. Shes probably absolutely violent in bed.

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    1. Re:thats hot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah, the grass is always greener.

      Because she practically never speaks and never communicates all kinds of half-finished shit ends up on my pile. Usually ten minutes before status meetings she finds an excuse not to go and offload the responsibility to me. I end up being forced to report on 2 weeks worth of shit she's worked alone on. Even better, because she's been constantly taking courses constantly since being hired I haven't been able to take any courses. I'm told they can't afford to have both me and her off at once. She hasn't documented shit and didn't do any knowledge transfer before skipping out on a 7 week vacation she gave half a week of notice on. The bitch also left the build in a broken state before leaving. I've complained a few times but so far she hasn't fucked up quite hard enough to get fired. Yet.

      If I were to liken her behaviour in the workplace to that of a room-mate (can't think of a better example) it'd be like this:
      "Something smells in here. Did you do the dishes? It's your responsibility to do them this week."
      "..." (rice cooker is growing mold, one plate that she uses is washed)

      "Did you pay your half of the rent this month?"
      "...I have to go shop. I owe $XXX.XX this month. You pay it and please explain why I didn't pay the last three months'." (door clicks shut)
      "What?!"

      "I brought in the new building regulations so you could see the changes."
      (she's not there and when she returns she silently trashes them without reading them)

      "WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME THE BUILDING WAS ON FIRE?!"
      "...Well I was going to maybe write you an email about it later."

      She scurries through her job like a terrified little churchmouse. You'd go in and she just wouldn't be there. Then she'd come in late and leave early leaving you having to sit on support a half hour longer. (yes, a disaster did occur because we couldn't meet our agreements because she had crept out)

      Man what a shitty, creepy co-worker I've got. At least I don't have any kind of similar problem with any other of my co-workers or projects. At least I know my efforts are acknolwedged and fully undertood by my manager. As well my raise reflects such elaborate butt-covering and IT plate-spinning.

  123. Consider the Article Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's face it. The CMMI is dying on the vine and Carnegie Mellon is just putting feelers out for some new security model they can sell ya. If there is one thing Carnegie Mellon is good at its taking old common sense and repackaging it to sell back to you as a new essential paradigm.

  124. Both wrong - it's the CSO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Consider - a Security officer's actual JOB is to know all the weaknesses (risks) of the company who employs him/her. In other words, this person know in some considerable details where things may break if pushed.

    You can break IT, you can mess with accounts, you can have fun with clients, but what if you upset a person who can do all three and knows enough to divert your attention and leave little trace (because he happens to know the audit cycle as well).

    If a CSO goes rogue you're really, really in profoundly deep sh*t...

  125. I'll tell you one predictable exploit pattern. by perfessor+multigeek · · Score: 1
    Back in days of yore I saw this sort of thing happen several times and I found one pattern repeated, which was that a young, earnest employee would repeatedly beg his superiors to fix a vulnerability and the continuing contempt that those suggestions got would then be part of what made him disgruntled. Then, when the employee left the company, he then foobared the company using the vulnerability that he, himself, had begged them to fix.

    Example A.) Hotshot new company growing really fast decides that legal software is for losers. Earnest young employee (EYE) implores, over and over and over that they get into at least partial compliance, that this new thing called the SPA was hanging people out to dry, and that they were targeting companies just like this one. "Go away kid, ya bother me."
    EYE leaves, sits down, writes up list, per station, in detail of exactly what software is on which station for about forty computers, waits a while, calls the SPA. Company goes bankrupt after receiving SPA injunctions.

    Example B.) Major new office of database company (rhymes with clavicle) is set up as showcase of how badass they are, everything is state of the art, from the cpus to the variable setting halogen lights. EYE tells them that they're losing sales and vulnerable to hackers because they never configured their expensive new voicemail system, leaving everything in defaults with passwords of "password" and root access for acounts like "admin" with password "admin". The company bigshots' response? "Go away kid, ya bother me."
    EYE leaves, and on his last day shuts down the ringers for every sales department phone so they don't even know that they're getting calls and changes all the passwords to something like "fixthistoday", puts a full explanation of how to fix it in his desk drawer and walks out.

    Example C.) EYE at a consulting company is put in charge of revamping the training rooms but they refuse to tell him a specific budget or to give him permission to replace key equipment, expecting him to juggle the equipment around to keep the clients from discovering how little of what they're paying for actually works. Then, when a crisis comes, they always end up paying huge amounts to get it fixed right now. EYE begs the partners of the firm, saying that otherwise sometime soon the whole magilla will come crashing down, that band-aid approaches just make it worse, and that it's already costing far more to futz around then it would to shut down for a few days, strip it all out, and start fresh.
    Response: "Go away kid, ya bother me."
    EYE follows written instructions to the letter, taking as sincere instructions he knows he was supposed to blow off, and spreads resources out "fairly" instead of creating the Potemkin clusters his higherups want. Finally sends an email to everybody saying "either you pay attention to this and let me really fix it or I quit." and leaves to take sick days and try to calm down. Sure enough a heavy training day comes and the whole system collapses, EYE, when contacted, says, basically, oh, well, too bad, so sad. Gets "fired".

    Lesson, if an employee keeps begging and begging that you fix what he or she says is a major problem, pay attention. Whether the assessment is accurate or not, it is worth your time to find out.

    -Rustin

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  126. Re:Pop psych bull setting up suits for major disas by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    I have yet to meet a "gruntled" IT professional.

    "gruntled" is actually a bad thing [...] Now you know, and knowing is half the battle!

    (Like "flammable"/"inflammable" versus "nonflammable".)

    Thanks. But I'm quite aware it was not the proper usage. (That's why it was in quotes.)

    I was using a form of hacker slang for humorous emphasis: Deliberately over-applying a generalized rule to a word which is an exception to it. The conflict makes the unusual construction stand out and focuses the reader/listener's mind on the intended meaning. Meanwhile it tends to cause an extra pass of parsing, letting the point stay in the mind longer and sink into long-term memory better. (This works best when, as in this case, the conflicting meanings are nearly exact opposites.)

    In addition to promoting communication, it tends to be fun for the listener.

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  127. paranoid by ZHaDoom · · Score: 1

    "disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues" - that's everyone on /. Now we all are going to be profiled =(

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  128. Poor defenseless corporations by Atrox666 · · Score: 1

    "..IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly." First off if you populate your IT staff with prozac junkie yes men who always do what management thinks they want then you won't need to be sabotaged. But it is good to know that the problem isn't workers being screwed over by sleaze bag corporations with no real recourse. Apparently taking direct action against people who really do deserve every bad thing that can happen to a human being is the problem. You can't have the sheep standing on their hind legs. Maybe the real question is how we can get the social parasites out of the board room and into the cages where they belong. I'm probably paranoid .. I hope I'm paranoid enough. I would like to see a study on how many companies who got sabotaged deserved worse than what they got. If they government won't pull the corporate charter of sleazy companies then it is the right and obligation of people to crush these companies out of existence. Corporations exist for the common good as well as that of the shareholders. If you read the history behind why companies were granted these powers it's pretty clear that they are welching on the deal. It's not only unfair for the people victimized by these corporations but it is unfair for the honest companies who have to compete against them on unequal terms. Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. -Aaron Levenstein

  129. Only the ones who get caught by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    Since this seems to be the 'cynical' thread, I'll add this here: But this only looks at the people who got caught. What about others who didn't get caught because nobody bothered looking at them because they didn't fit a preconceived notion of what a guilty person looks like? I think we need to ramp up our paranoia a bit more so that management can figure out how to piss everyone off so they'll get the whole demographic in and won't miss these cases.

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  130. Re:Pop psych bull setting up suits for major disas by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Thanks.

    Also: The guy who's comes up with the most answers (often the one with the most correct solutions) will be the one who issues the most midcourse corrections. That means he will make the most statements that conflict with his colleagues' previous statements and ideas and will end up looking the most "argumentative".

    Oops!

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  131. Poor summarization at least by manifoldronin · · Score: 1

    "According to recent research by the U.S. military and CERT, workers who sabotage corporate systems are almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly."
    I'll admit I didn't RTFA, but isn't the slashdot summarization basically a "duh"? I mean it's not like we have ever thought "workers who sabotage corporate systems" would be IT workers who are happy, optimistic, open-minded, generally show up on time, good at teamworking, and generally corporate stars?
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  132. Sabotage? by Whuffo · · Score: 1
    Seems to me that the biggest source of "sabotage" comes from badly designed and hastily coded programs *cough*Windows*cough*. They are the source of more IT problems than even a herd of clueless users. Rather than berate someone for clicking on an email attachment and setting loose another virus - how about going after the fools that made it possible to launch a virus from an email?

    Between dealing with "stand it up and it falls over again" software and anxious users and arrogant managers that want it working YESTERDAY it's no surprise that your average IT worker is disgruntled. How can they win when if things are working they're being lazy and sitting around doing nothing. Then when things come unstuck they can't possibly fulfill the expectations placed upon them.

    Picture this scenario: You get a frantic call from an exec - "mail is down!" So you check the Exchange server. Oops; database is corrupted (again?) What to do? Restore from tape; that'll take 4 or 5 hours. Now, while that tape drive is grinding away you get to field dozens of increasingly frantic calls from management - it's your fault that the problem isn't fixed yet and if your company is typical you'll receive some pointed threats from management before that restore completes. Disgruntled yet? Tomorrow's another day...

    Here's a tip - if you see an IT worker with a smile on his/her face, they've been on the job for less than 6 months.

    And when that disgruntled IT worker leaves - they're not looking for revenge, they're looking to get away from the nightmare. The company can be as paranoid as they want but their ex-employees just don't care anymore.

  133. Veiled like Lady Godiva by abb3w · · Score: 1

    Definitely pure PR hype: they're proposing a software solution.

    The first law of security: UNRESTRICTED PHYSICAL ACCESS CAN OVERCOME ANY OTHER SECURITY. Encryption measures are the last to go, but even they can be surmounted. Password management does remove the threat from the stupidest employees, but not those who are angry, motivated, competent, and screwed by management.

    I'll also note that I would appear to fit a large chunk of the proposed profile.

    1. Disgruntled: not with the job, but with a lot of the rest of my life. However, my co-workers are supportive of my problems, and highly encouraging when I try to deal with them.
    2. Paranoid: I'm in charge of security for the department; damn right I'm paranoid. And because I'm a "smart" paranoid, and take precautions for contingency scenarios in advance, everyone who has come to me with a disaster (thus far) has been provided a better solution than they thought possible, usually in less time than they expected.
    3. Generally show up late: try "almost invariably". I inevitably work late, too. The only time I've been in at 8:00 AM, I was going home after a very long night. I also work some weekends, and even make housecalls (reserving the right to put in milage). No-one says one durn thing.
    4. Argue with colleagues: absolutely... and politely. My colleagues and I know that there is more than one way to look at a problem, and every problem has a solution that is simple, obvious, and wrong. We argue in hopes that we can work out the best way, or at least one where the downsides of the final option are clear and accepted. And if a supervisor wants to insist "do it my way" afterwards, I smile and say "sure, once you've put the instructions in writing." Five times out of seven (in six years), they've reconsidered at that point. Of the other two, one got a large chunk of his backside taken out by a feral auditor, the other changed his position after the disaster I predicted, happened... because he was then able to convince higher ups to cough up the needed funding.
    5. Generally perform poorly: the one complete miss. I did get one written reprimand on file for insubordination (which I mostly deserved), but my work has been described as the best IT support any of the group have ever had, anywhere. I have happy users. On the other hand, poor performance can come about when three people's jobs get loaded onto one person. It's definitely a warning sign of trouble, but not necessarily with the employee.

    More exact profiling keys should be: disgruntled with their job; regards co-workers with unprovoked paranoia, distrust, and hostility; failing to work the expected number of hours (or hostile to working with other people); unable to express a logical framework or to reconsider his position when arguing with colleagues; and, yes, can't meet reasonable performance expectations.

    In the end, it's a question of moral character. The answer is simple: character should be both demonstrated and demanded. After that, so long as you're smart enough not to confuse "conformity" with "character", your internal threat will be minimal.

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    //Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
  134. -1, Redundant by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues

    I'm more interested in the implication that there are IT workers who don't exhibit this work behavior.

  135. Life Changing moment... maybe... by WK1 · · Score: 0

    Sociopathy is, simply put, completely lacking the empathy and connection to other humans. It's being the only human in a single-player world full of generic NPCs. They're not your peers, they don't matter, their feelings don't matter, they're there just to be used, abused, manipulated, lied to, whatever gets you closer to your objectives.

    Wow. I never really thought of myself as a sociopath. You really opened up my eyes. I can't explain why, but for some reason, I feel a lot better. Thank you.

    1. Re:Life Changing moment... maybe... by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      Wow. I never really thought of myself as a sociopath. You really opened up my eyes. I can't explain why, but for some reason, I feel a lot better. Thank you.


      Well, as usual, I'd say don't just take the word of some random guy off Slashdot. Have a look at the APD list first if you want to be sure, and maybe ask a qualified psychiatrist.

      That said, glad to be of service. You may have a nice way up the corporate pyramid ahead of if you are one. Corporations are expected to basically act like gigantic sociopaths, and unsurprisingly a lot of CEOs and such are sociopaths.
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      A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
  136. Re:Pop psych bull setting up suits for major disas by abb3w · · Score: 1

    Actually, while the Middle English root of disgruntle was negative, Meriam-Webster's gives the positive meaning that a hacker would sensibly expect. Evidently, the back-construction dates back to 1926 and now predominates. "Curiouser and curiouser."

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    //Information does not want to be free; it wants to breed.
  137. Re:Pop psych bull setting up suits for major disas by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Actually, while the Middle English root of disgruntle was negative, Meriam-Webster's gives the positive meaning that a hacker would sensibly expect. Evidently, the back-construction dates back to 1926 and now predominates. "Curiouser and curiouser."

    Fortunately the "gruntle" formulation is sufficiently out-of-use that saying it still causes the mind-pop that makes the conversational hack work. B-)

    There's actually a measureable pulse of brain activity that results from things like this - or from conversational non-sequiters - that occurs a particular number of miliseconds after the out-of-place word. It's named for the number of miliseconds (which I forget at the moment).

    It's handy to do this in conflict situations, too, since it tends to paralyze a listener who isn't expecting it. (Very handy if he has a gun pointed at you. B-) )

    "I'll have a sundae: chocolate and vanilla ice cream topped with hot giraffes."

    See?

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    Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
  138. Always liked the last line in that one... by Slur · · Score: 1

    Accused witch who weighs the same as a duck:
    Well that's a fair cop.

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    -- thinkyhead software and media
  139. I think they mean Managers! by Dabido · · Score: 1

    'According to recent research by the U.S. military and CERT, workers who sabotage corporate systems are almost always IT workers who are disgruntled, paranoid, generally show up late, argue with colleagues, and generally perform poorly."'

    Bloody Managers!

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    Sure enough, the cow costume was hanging up next to the superhero outfit and sailors uniform. (S,Spud)
  140. How many respondants fit the profile? by HackerAce · · Score: 1

    judging from the responses to this study I would estimate that a number of people who have responded to this article are in the risk category.

    There is a long standing argument for profiling. If a person fits the profile are they a guaranteed risk? No. Should HR, management, and security professionals pay attention? Yes.

    I for one will use these tools to the benefit of my organization. If you fit the profile don't be afraid but we will be having a conversation.

  141. SHOCKING! by RexDevious · · Score: 1

    I would have guessed that most sabatoge was done loyal, happy workers. Thanks US Military and Cert!