opinion is that every child should, by high school graduation, be capable of efficiently working --including scripting, and maybe programming-- in Windows, Mac OS X, and a more standard *nix such as Linux or Solaris
I don't know that I'd go that far - would remove all the special "awe" of being a computer geek in the eyes of the unwashed.
I graduated HS in 89. At that time, we had a computer lab (IBM PS/2 I think). Every student to graduate had to either complete a fairly basic computer lit course or a programming course. The students had to be able to identify main components of the system, how they worked together and be able to do some simple programs in basic - just to understand the theory of how the computer looked at the instructions. I think this was fine.
I think most languages have their place. You write in assembly if you have 10 years to develop the software and need to to run as fast as possible. You write in perl if you want your code to look like it's encrypted. You write in VB if you've got 4 hours for the entire software development cycle. In our environment, 4 hours is usually about the time from start to finish. My boss once gave me a whole week for a project, but that started by "You've got a week, learn Java and.... "
This weekend is my first exposure to VB.NET - I like the IDE, haven't touched the in-box migration tool - from what my boss says it's a pig's breakfast, so it looks like we're going to port 2 years of coding by hand.
Since you're on the development team, maybe you can save me a few more hours. How the hell do I install the components for the.NET Compact Framework? Imagine if you will, that I know nothing about the VS.NET. Thanks in advance.
Sorry, you can't sell a book that's been written all over...
Wow, glad no one ever told the people I bought used textbooks from about that one.
The favorite scam I ever saw played was when the prof would compile a list of sections from different books, take the infomation down the local Kinkos and have them do booklets for like $10.00. I seem to remember asking about how this was legal, he'd written a great deal of it, a lot of the information was PD and I think the rest fell under fair use. He'd even hand write his own notes in the margins. Man, I had a blast in that class.
Good lord, they are not asking for anyone to recreate half.com or amazon.com. A couple tables in a sql server (2 tables, 3 fields each), a simple web interface and some cgi so people can contact each other with offers/trades.
i don't know that I'd do this in C, most of my cgi was done with perl. I'd be willing to take up this project if I had more time and if the last cgi I wrote wasn't a few years back yet.
It doesn't need to be more complex than the user needs it to be.
Also, somebody should suggest the same idea to Playboy Magazine. They don't even need to make it fancy, just a directory with huge jpegs and another with videos...
From what I gather, Hustler has started including a DVD with theirs, at least some of them. Friend loaned it to me, just half a dozen clips from some of their video releases.
But now what happends if someone starts locking OTHER PEOPLS doors. If some jerk adds a lock to your house in effectively locking you out. If you object your against locks? No your against the application of locking someone out of there own home.
I see what you're saying here, but how I see this is like having security doors on the outside of the apartment building. Everyone who lives there has a key, but anyone who doesn't live there shouldn't just be able to walk in.
Hmmm... actually, it's more like the landlord putting locks on the doors that only refuse people who are coming there from Moe's Bar down the street. I guess the whole lock thing kind of falls apart there so I'll shut up now.
So if half the clothes in the machine say "cold water wash" and hslf say "hot water wash", the machine automatically goes on the warm cycle?
I know exactly what my machine would do - it would wash on COLD since I have the hot water turned off at the wall. If you wash everything in cold, no need to seperate. Haven't had a problem with it thus far (4 years), and since I don't take the time to run mud into my white clothing - my whites have stayed white and my colors have stayed black. I also use less soap than suggested.
Oh great. Now I have to dig out my old 720K floppy disks to check my notes on how to be sociable with actual human beings, and I can't find the way to change the CMOS settings for the old FDD controller.
Don't bother, as I'm sure the finer points of sociable type interaction would be lost on me anyhow... but I must admit I appreciate the thought. Should you have need of a 5.25" inch drive, or even an old C64 1541, I'm sure I can pull one out of somewhere. Perhaps the same place you extract your ideas.
Your server room is in the garage? I guess if I had either a grilf or a garage, then that's where my server room would probably end up. Having neither at the moment (like 99.5% of/.) my server room is in "the room formally known as The Living Room". Most would see that I have more computers in that room than I've had dates in the last 6 months as a Bad Thing.:::Shrugs::: Whatever.
:::extends hand in friendship::::::reminds self to wash hands just in case I remembered wrong:::
Thanks for the hints (mini-novel) on your.sig file - I was truly lost as I didn't catch that it was GOOGLE whacking. I was thinking along other lines completly. As for Google Befuddling, well, a lot of my searches turn out that way, but not on purpose. Maybe I should search for something else.
Anywho - I had best get back to work (that thing they pay me to do) - I'm sure I'll see a lot of you on/. since... well... this is my social life.
Strange.:-| When I was a kid, the NRA literally taught us that stuff.
You had it better than I did. If there was a hunter safety corse, I wasn't allow to go to it. My parents were willing to let me grow up "unprotected" in a lot of ways, but this wasn't one of them.:-(
How exactly did you tell that to your wife? How the hell do you bring up a point that you'd "rather not buy a diamond ring but..." without sounding like an unromantic cheapskate?
How about suggesting that you spend the $12k on sex toys? The next woman I'll marry will be all OVER that idea, or so the fantasy goes anyway.
Yup, that's exactly how I feel. If my kids want to play with a gallon of gas and a box of matches, they WILL NOT do it in their room. Honestly, if they want to play with anything that's seriously dangerous, I'll be right there with them. Unsupervised play with stuff like this is how kids get killed, regardless of what the liberals think. I say this because the "School of life" is the best teacher, but the tuition fees are really high, and I've already paid some of them - no reason why my kids can't learn from the "classes" I've already had.
With you haveing a gun growing up, you made a key point I always try to bring up. Gun safety begins at home. You were more than likely taught how dangerous a gun is, long before you ever picked one up. You were probably taught that it was a tool, not a toy (a damn fun tool at that). Key point - you were taught.
I might have to pick up a gun for next summer when my kids come to visit again. Shooting and gun safety was on the things my education was seriously lacking in until I joined the Army.
Can you elaborate on that a bit? It could be read a couple of ways.
Are you saying I shouldn't have a problem with my 6 year old trying to get a doll to read the word CockSucker? Well, honestly, I'd be rather shocked because that doesn't fit in with his personality at all and that sort of change might indicate that something else is wrong. But over all, kids get a big kick out of "naughty" words simply because they are "naughty" and I don't think it would keep me up at night.
You can think of lots of ways to stop spam that would be a bad thing? Ok, can you mention a few examples?
Hmmm... turn off the net all together. That would be bad, but would stop spam. Make Email illegal, that would stop it too. Get rid of SMTP and allow your ISP to charge you $50 for each email you send... that would probably slow the spam assault down a tad.
Now some good ways... have a PPV event where people who get caught spamming are put to death in public. That would certianly be a negative reinforcement.
I get the impression that the vast majority of Slashdot readers don't have children. (Insert the obvious "don't have girlfriend" jokes on your own.) One doesn't have to be John Ashcroft or Oral Roberts to believe that maybe six-year-olds don't need to learn the word "cocksucker."
As a single dad of 3 kids, aged 6,8 and 10 I can honestly say, that if your six year old is trying to get it's doll to read "cocksucker", then your problems go deeper than how the doll will respond.
Why the hell shouldn't he have kids? I grew up with ample access to nails, bits of wood and hammers. The ONLY thing that ever got hurt was my pride when I'd ask for an honest opinion of what I'd created.
We need more parents who are willing to let their kids grow up and experience things first hand. I'm not saying that it's a good idea to give a kid a box of matches, a gallon of gas and tell them to have a good time in their bedroom. That sort of thing should done outside after all.
The same way I use every other computer at home. pr0n, lots and lots of pr0n. Might make a nice Counter Strike server too.
It's a sure sign that you're a geek when people ask what the first thing you'd do if you won the lotto is, and you answer "I'd build my own Beowulf cluster" is the first thing that comes to mind.
What I find abnormal is paying 400% over the odds (plus interest) and considering it a good deal.
Did they offer math at your school?? I only paid once *shrugs*
I'm not talking about a socialist society, where everything is covered by "the state", but rather of any system (regardless of form or politics) where you pay for what you get, and you get what you pay for.
Odd, I paid for an education, I got an education (not that it always shows). Yes, some of my taxes go to fund state schools, but come on - some of my taxes also go to support crack whores.
Your post kind of travels around a bunch of topics so I'm really not sure what point your trying to make.
I've known a few good women programmers, however, saying that a woman designed COBAL really doesn't say much for the cause.
To be fair, I'll entertain arguments that COBAL isn't the OS/2 of the programming world, but only if the comments are printed on $100.00 bills and left under my keyboard.
They can't be. Look - they don't charge any extra for the goodies (like caller id, etc) that come with the line, and the bill doesn't have 150% of the advertised rate for you phone in taxes and misc fees hidden in with the taxes. They say $25.99 you get a bill for something pretty close to $25.99 - thus proving that they have NO relation to a phone company. Were they to be a phone company they would give you the price of $9.95/MO and send you a bill for $135.
I can't agree more. Actually, the land line at the house is the cheapest offered by Qwest at 9.95 a month, and yet my first bill was $130. Next bill was $30.00. They sell you the basic line and then tack on fees and service charges for everything they can get away with. IIRC, the phone company gets to keep some of the taxes (maybe it was the FCC charges) listed on your bill.
As SOON as vonage opens up in my area code (can't see giving my friends a LD number to call) I'm there.
I dont' mind paying reasonable taxes but my hate for the phone company goes back a LONG way.
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opinion is that every child should, by high school graduation, be capable of efficiently working --including scripting, and maybe programming-- in Windows, Mac OS X, and a more standard *nix such as Linux or Solaris
I don't know that I'd go that far - would remove all the special "awe" of being a computer geek in the eyes of the unwashed.
I graduated HS in 89. At that time, we had a computer lab (IBM PS/2 I think). Every student to graduate had to either complete a fairly basic computer lit course or a programming course. The students had to be able to identify main components of the system, how they worked together and be able to do some simple programs in basic - just to understand the theory of how the computer looked at the instructions. I think this was fine.
I think most languages have their place. You write in assembly if you have 10 years to develop the software and need to to run as fast as possible. You write in perl if you want your code to look like it's encrypted. You write in VB if you've got 4 hours for the entire software development cycle. In our environment, 4 hours is usually about the time from start to finish. My boss once gave me a whole week for a project, but that started by "You've got a week, learn Java and .... "
.NET Compact Framework? Imagine if you will, that I know nothing about the VS.NET. Thanks in advance.
This weekend is my first exposure to VB.NET - I like the IDE, haven't touched the in-box migration tool - from what my boss says it's a pig's breakfast, so it looks like we're going to port 2 years of coding by hand.
Since you're on the development team, maybe you can save me a few more hours. How the hell do I install the components for the
I used to like reading Clancy until the books became thousand long page rants about how his taxes were too high. :)
Sorry, I must of missed that one - what book did this happen in? And here I thought I'd read them all.
Who cares... FIREFLY!
I can honestly say that I'd MUCH rather see Piers Anthony's "FIREFLY" made into a book, but then again I'm a pervert so there you go.
Sorry, you can't sell a book that's been written all over...
Wow, glad no one ever told the people I bought used textbooks from about that one.
The favorite scam I ever saw played was when the prof would compile a list of sections from different books, take the infomation down the local Kinkos and have them do booklets for like $10.00. I seem to remember asking about how this was legal, he'd written a great deal of it, a lot of the information was PD and I think the rest fell under fair use. He'd even hand write his own notes in the margins. Man, I had a blast in that class.
Good lord, they are not asking for anyone to recreate half.com or amazon.com. A couple tables in a sql server (2 tables, 3 fields each), a simple web interface and some cgi so people can contact each other with offers/trades.
i don't know that I'd do this in C, most of my cgi was done with perl. I'd be willing to take up this project if I had more time and if the last cgi I wrote wasn't a few years back yet.
It doesn't need to be more complex than the user needs it to be.
I wrote a simple passthrough proxy so I could examine raw irc or aim chats, and it comes in at 95 lines.
Hey, that's really cool. Any way I could see the source code?
Also, somebody should suggest the same idea to Playboy Magazine. They don't even need to make it fancy, just a directory with huge jpegs and another with videos ...
From what I gather, Hustler has started including a DVD with theirs, at least some of them. Friend loaned it to me, just half a dozen clips from some of their video releases.
But now what happends if someone starts locking OTHER PEOPLS doors.
If some jerk adds a lock to your house in effectively locking you out. If you object your against locks? No your against the application of locking someone out of there own home.
I see what you're saying here, but how I see this is like having security doors on the outside of the apartment building. Everyone who lives there has a key, but anyone who doesn't live there shouldn't just be able to walk in.
Hmmm... actually, it's more like the landlord putting locks on the doors that only refuse people who are coming there from Moe's Bar down the street. I guess the whole lock thing kind of falls apart there so I'll shut up now.
So if half the clothes in the machine say "cold water wash" and hslf say "hot water wash", the machine automatically goes on the warm cycle?
I know exactly what my machine would do - it would wash on COLD since I have the hot water turned off at the wall. If you wash everything in cold, no need to seperate. Haven't had a problem with it thus far (4 years), and since I don't take the time to run mud into my white clothing - my whites have stayed white and my colors have stayed black. I also use less soap than suggested.
Oh great. Now I have to dig out my old 720K floppy disks to check my notes on how to be sociable with actual human beings, and I can't find the way to change the CMOS settings for the old FDD controller.
/.) my server room is in "the room formally known as The Living Room". Most would see that I have more computers in that room than I've had dates in the last 6 months as a Bad Thing. :::Shrugs::: Whatever.
:::extends hand in friendship::: :::reminds self to wash hands just in case I remembered wrong:::
.sig file - I was truly lost as I didn't catch that it was GOOGLE whacking. I was thinking along other lines completly. As for Google Befuddling, well, a lot of my searches turn out that way, but not on purpose. Maybe I should search for something else.
/. since... well... this is my social life.
Don't bother, as I'm sure the finer points of sociable type interaction would be lost on me anyhow... but I must admit I appreciate the thought. Should you have need of a 5.25" inch drive, or even an old C64 1541, I'm sure I can pull one out of somewhere. Perhaps the same place you extract your ideas.
Your server room is in the garage? I guess if I had either a grilf or a garage, then that's where my server room would probably end up. Having neither at the moment (like 99.5% of
Thanks for the hints (mini-novel) on your
Anywho - I had best get back to work (that thing they pay me to do) - I'm sure I'll see a lot of you on
Strange. :-| When I was a kid, the NRA literally taught us that stuff.
:-(
You had it better than I did. If there was a hunter safety corse, I wasn't allow to go to it. My parents were willing to let me grow up "unprotected" in a lot of ways, but this wasn't one of them.
How exactly did you tell that to your wife? How the hell do you bring up a point that you'd "rather not buy a diamond ring but..." without sounding like an unromantic cheapskate?
How about suggesting that you spend the $12k on sex toys? The next woman I'll marry will be all OVER that idea, or so the fantasy goes anyway.
Yup, that's exactly how I feel. If my kids want to play with a gallon of gas and a box of matches, they WILL NOT do it in their room. Honestly, if they want to play with anything that's seriously dangerous, I'll be right there with them. Unsupervised play with stuff like this is how kids get killed, regardless of what the liberals think. I say this because the "School of life" is the best teacher, but the tuition fees are really high, and I've already paid some of them - no reason why my kids can't learn from the "classes" I've already had.
With you haveing a gun growing up, you made a key point I always try to bring up. Gun safety begins at home. You were more than likely taught how dangerous a gun is, long before you ever picked one up. You were probably taught that it was a tool, not a toy (a damn fun tool at that). Key point - you were taught.
I might have to pick up a gun for next summer when my kids come to visit again. Shooting and gun safety was on the things my education was seriously lacking in until I joined the Army.
all right funny guy, if that's the way you want to be, you just made it on to my friend list 8-)
.sig? followed the link and I have to admit, I'm kinda lost.
BTW- can you explain your
Can you elaborate on that a bit? It could be read a couple of ways.
Are you saying I shouldn't have a problem with my 6 year old trying to get a doll to read the word CockSucker? Well, honestly, I'd be rather shocked because that doesn't fit in with his personality at all and that sort of change might indicate that something else is wrong. But over all, kids get a big kick out of "naughty" words simply because they are "naughty" and I don't think it would keep me up at night.
You can think of lots of ways to stop spam that would be a bad thing? Ok, can you mention a few examples?
Hmmm... turn off the net all together. That would be bad, but would stop spam. Make Email illegal, that would stop it too. Get rid of SMTP and allow your ISP to charge you $50 for each email you send... that would probably slow the spam assault down a tad.
Now some good ways... have a PPV event where people who get caught spamming are put to death in public. That would certianly be a negative reinforcement.
Yea gads! One of the funniest posts I've read tonight and me with no mod points. Give yourself a +1 funny.
I get the impression that the vast majority of Slashdot readers don't have children. (Insert the obvious "don't have girlfriend" jokes on your own.) One doesn't have to be John Ashcroft or Oral Roberts to believe that maybe six-year-olds don't need to learn the word "cocksucker."
As a single dad of 3 kids, aged 6,8 and 10 I can honestly say, that if your six year old is trying to get it's doll to read "cocksucker", then your problems go deeper than how the doll will respond.
Please don't have kids.
Why the hell shouldn't he have kids? I grew up with ample access to nails, bits of wood and hammers. The ONLY thing that ever got hurt was my pride when I'd ask for an honest opinion of what I'd created.
We need more parents who are willing to let their kids grow up and experience things first hand. I'm not saying that it's a good idea to give a kid a box of matches, a gallon of gas and tell them to have a good time in their bedroom. That sort of thing should done outside after all.
How would you use this super computer?
The same way I use every other computer at home. pr0n, lots and lots of pr0n. Might make a nice Counter Strike server too.
It's a sure sign that you're a geek when people ask what the first thing you'd do if you won the lotto is, and you answer "I'd build my own Beowulf cluster" is the first thing that comes to mind.
What I find abnormal is paying 400% over the odds (plus interest) and considering it a good deal.
Did they offer math at your school?? I only paid once *shrugs*
I'm not talking about a socialist society, where everything is covered by "the state", but rather of any system (regardless of form or politics) where you pay for what you get, and you get what you pay for.
Odd, I paid for an education, I got an education (not that it always shows). Yes, some of my taxes go to fund state schools, but come on - some of my taxes also go to support crack whores.
Your post kind of travels around a bunch of topics so I'm really not sure what point your trying to make.
You know COBOL was designed by a woman
I've known a few good women programmers, however, saying that a woman designed COBAL really doesn't say much for the cause.
To be fair, I'll entertain arguments that COBAL isn't the OS/2 of the programming world, but only if the comments are printed on $100.00 bills and left under my keyboard.
Vonage isn't really a phone company.
They can't be. Look - they don't charge any extra for the goodies (like caller id, etc) that come with the line, and the bill doesn't have 150% of the advertised rate for you phone in taxes and misc fees hidden in with the taxes. They say $25.99 you get a bill for something pretty close to $25.99 - thus proving that they have NO relation to a phone company. Were they to be a phone company they would give you the price of $9.95/MO and send you a bill for $135.
I can't agree more. Actually, the land line at the house is the cheapest offered by Qwest at 9.95 a month, and yet my first bill was $130. Next bill was $30.00. They sell you the basic line and then tack on fees and service charges for everything they can get away with. IIRC, the phone company gets to keep some of the taxes (maybe it was the FCC charges) listed on your bill.
As SOON as vonage opens up in my area code (can't see giving my friends a LD number to call) I'm there.
I dont' mind paying reasonable taxes but my hate for the phone company goes back a LONG way.