This is no exception. It's just a sort of more native version of Cygwin. Sure, it could be kind of nifty, but it's not some major breakthrough which will leave the world shocked.
This is going to change MY world. Linux on all the Windows machines I use, without the cost of VMWare. Sure, there's always been Cygwin, but I've never liked Cygwin, its not nearly the same. I'd rather remote access a real Linux machine than use Cygwin.
Is Microsoft just the big nail that always gets hammered first and will someone step in to take their place when they are finally taken down?
By taken down what do you mean? Microsoft is not going away for a long time. They have the resources to continue survival as long as they change to fit the market. They will do what they have to do to be profitable. And they will buy out technology that is already successful in order to do this.
Unless you mean lose their stranglehold on the desktop OS market. I certainly hope this happens soon. Maybe the snowball effect Linux is having will grow big enough to cut into this. Apple already has a great product that is catering to the premium market. Maybe someone else will step into the game?
In any case, a world without Microsoft is not going to happen. For example, if Linux became the desktop standard, Microsoft would certainly get involved with it and somehow make money off it. A world without Windows as the desktop standard, that's certainly possible.
I was speaking of a particular theme of controls, not GTK+ or Qt controls in general. A set of controls will be faster or slower depending on how many resources it takes to render them. A KDE example would be Keramik widget style might be slower than.Net widget style. In Gnome, the "Industrial" theme doesn't require a lot of resources to render so it renders quickly. I've tried a few themes that copy some of the look of Mac OS X and they are noticably slower. I run on slower hardware (Duron 1.1GHz / Geforce2), so I notice these things, but it wouldn't bother me anyways.
it all boils down to personal preferance. in my early days of using linux systems, i was a gnome enthusiest purely on my lack of knowledge of kde licensing issues.
True.. For me, it was the opposite. I used KDE for quite a while before I gave Gnome a serious try with version 2.2 (and before that, I didn't pay much attention to desktop environments or WM's, the GUI was just something to open terminals in and maybe run Netscape). 2.4 had all the features I liked so I stuck with that.
Now, well, they both are really great, and make Linux a perfectly usable desktop OS. I look forward to more integration between the two.
Also check out KHotKeys (configure it in the KDE control panel). Very useful app. I actually use it in Gnome.
Also, if you are using Gnome, and you find KDE apps loading slow under it, run kdeinit (you can put it in your.xsessions file or just run it). They will load just as fast as they do in KDE.
gnome just plain looks too much like... well crap... that to me there's no sense using it. their nice HID puts buttons on the wrong side.
This is personal preference. Although I really like KDE/Qt for a lot of reasons, I think it looks rather dull, and GTK+ apps look MUCH better.
I find the "Industrial" controls in Gnome look great and are very fast (I also use "Industrial" window controls). None of the default included KDE themes look good to me. I have done some searching, but have not found anything I like. There is supposedly a KDE theme that looks like Gnome's Industrial, but it failed to install. I'll try it again, but from the screenshots, it doesn't really look better than other KDE themes. It is much easier to install themes in Gnome, you just drag and drop the file into the theme dialog.
There are some great KDE apps, but it certainly isn't the look of them that is great. Konqueror is excellent. JuK works much better than Rhythmbox. And I use KHotKeys in Gnome. KDevelop is very useful. Kuickshow will be a great ACDSee clone once they fix a few bugs. Kopete is not bad, but its look and UI in general made me switch back to Gaim.
I can see why you might feel GTK+ widgets are too big. But I believe you can resize them. The default size may be too big for 1024x768, but perfect for 1600x1200.
Gnome and KDE aren't all that different. I don't see what the big deal is which one you use. There are just a few things that need to be done to let the two work together. Things like drag and drop; and KDE apps need to work with the Gnome notification area (Gnome apps work with KDE's notification area already). Other than that, it makes no difference, run kdeinit while running Gnome and you can run all the KDE apps in Gnome like you normally would in KDE. Or run gnome-settings-daemon while running KDE and you got Gnome/GTK+ apps working just like they normally would in Gnome.
The day when I can drag and drop files from Konqueror into any GTK+ app (and vice versa) will be a good day. For now, Rox file manager does the trick.
With the 'power' of open source 100 projects to implement this will be started on sourceforge
And this is better than having 100 closed source proprietary projects started by various companies. 5 of which will result in an actual product, and none of which will offer the perfect balance of features, stability, support, and price?
In any case, it sounds like you are criticising Sourceforge rather than open source. Like anything else, you have to filter out the noise.
man, you just don't get it, huh? if you don't already know what the big deal is about itunes then you'll never understand.
I don't get it, either. Sure, its a simple app that's easy to use, with a few really cool innovative features (like the ease of being able to use it as a streaming server). The store is innovative, but if you don't use it, who cares? For the power use, iTunes isn't very impressive.
Take a look at Winamp 5 for an example of what a media (not just music) player should be. It completely blows iTunes out of the water, though with some work, iTunes would be able to compete. If there should be an OSS clone of anything, it should be Winamp 5 (without some of the fluff, like skins and visualizations). Rhythmbox and JuK work ok, but are headed in the wrong direction by trying to copy Apple's over-simplified interface that makes the user work harder.
I think Linux needs a larger share of the desktop market before more game designers are convinced to make Linux ports....or maybe its the other way around. Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Well, the good news is this year is supposedly the year of the Linux desktop.
I think the chicken comes first. Keep moving towards the goal of a super-slick, highly productive desktop. Once that goal is achieved, the games will come.
There was not many Windows games (only DOS games) until after everyone was using Windows for productivity apps.
Yes, people have the right to look like complete morons for complaining about a freebie service. I see many in this thread have chosen that route today.
I guess people are morons for complaining about things that are wrong with Linux too?
Being free does not shield you from complaints.
Complaints in a public forum are useful as warnings to others.
I said that as a simple statement towards those that complain about free services. Sure, MS has a goal with it -- but it didn't cost you any money.
Its not charity. You are viewing ads and making them money off this ads. They apply ads to every e-mail you send. You are advertising for them. It should not only be free, they should be paying you to use it.
Of course everyone should complain if it is a lousy service. They should complain so that everyone else knows not to use the lousy service. They should complain also so that the service improves.
You should also complain about broadcast TV and radio, because you are airing advertisements for them.
Being free as in beer (and as in make us money with advertisements) is not a good excuse for poor service.
My point was that Gateway's aren't made for geeks. They are made for people who never have any intention of opening their cases and will upgrade by buying an entirely new PC. The guy I was replying to said "I'm not sure I get the general Gateway-hate among geeks." I was explaining where it might be coming from.
You didn't really say what was terrible about the PS, and I don't see how the fact that the floppy and CD-ROMs had custom faceplates should matter. What do you mean, "clash with any other case?"
The power supply was a generic low-wattage power supply that was smaller than even your typical generic power supply. I admit, I did not check the voltages it was providing, but determined it was worthless just from looking at it.
If you were removing them to put in another system, I'd say that removes any obligation from Gateway at the point.
Well, I'm not saying Gateway is obligated to do anything. I'm saying people (especially geeks) should avoid Gateway because their systems may not be easilly upgradable. The reason I ended up with this Gateway was because I was upgrading it for one of my friends. I had most of a system built for them, and I was planning on using some of the old components from their old PC (this Gateway). When I arrived with the PC, I discovered that they had onboard video and sound, and that the CD-ROM and floppy drive didn't quite fit in the new PC. I was able to rip off the plastic on the front of the CD-ROM and floppy drive, but it exposed the insides of the floppy drive, and CD-ROM drive looked really weird. My mistake for assuming a Gateway was easilly upgradable, but I didn't expect it. I ended up buying the remains of it. The mobo and CPU were nice enough, everything else was junk.
I'd also suggest that, since you got it second hand, the "sick mess" inside the case may be the fault of the previous owner.
I said the case itself was a sick mess, not what was inside. Doing something simple like replacing the hard drive was a major ordeal. It was really that bad.
Though I have not seen a recent Gateway, so I don't know if its still this bad.
I'm not sure I get the general Gateway-hate among geeks. I have 5 computers here, one of them is a Gateway Pentium III 600. I've never had any problems with it whatsoever.
I've never liked Gateway. I bought a used P2-266 for really cheap. The only thing good in it was the motherboard and cpu. Everything else was mostly weird proprietary shit. The case was sick mess, and the cd-rom and floppy drives had curvy plastic on the front which made it completely clash with any other case. The power supply was something terrible, I ripped it apart and only kept the fan that was in it (but the fan was a piece of shit). The motherboard used onboard video for which there was no Win2k drivers, though I can't totally fault Gateway for that, and the board itself is pretty stable.
So, like many other system builders, Gateway takes a decent mobo and CPU, and slaps a bunch of cheap and/or proprietary crap onto it which any self-respecting geek would completely replace. So why not just buy the mobo and CPU and build your own?
From what I have seen, eMachines was starting to produce machines that were actually good (contrary to their earlier reputation). I really hope Gateway doesn't fuck it up. Though, maybe Gateway is better these days, I dunno, I haven't used a recent Gateway, but all the older ones I've used pretty much sucked.
MicronPC, on the otherhand, put out some good PC's back then (around the time of P1 and P2), and they still do. And they sell AMD-based machines. If I have to recommend a system builder, I recommend them.
My take on the letter was that the young programmer was some crazy RMS-worshipping free software zealot who was basically saying "ALL software MUST be free." He was basically saying that if a software is not free (as in speech), then it is worthless. The older guy writing the letter was basically say "that is the wrong attitude, closed-source software has value, especially for the purpose of making you money." But he was kind of a prick about it and wrote some rather flamebaitish stuff.
Hmm.. Just checked on some of the packages I use that I thought were only in unstable and they are in testing now. So, yeah, maybe testing might be a good idea. Unstable has burned me once or twice, though not too bad, the worse was Evolution not working for a week.
The thing about live auctions (as opposed to web auctions) is that people don't have a chance to research the items they are buying (unless they come prepared). They just show up, think they are getting a great deal and fork out the cash, sometimes paying more than the cost of a new item.
With online auctions its not as bad, because people can take their time and research the item.
But, if I understand correctly, if you install via Knoppix, you're pretty much stuck with Debian "unstable". Is that really a good idea for someone unfamiliar with Debian?
Most people trying out Debian as a desktop distro should use unstable so that they get the latest packages. It is actually very stable.
If you use stable or testing you will probably be disappointed by the age of the packages.
Right, because you didn't use the mouse to select the file, right? Oh wait.
If you're using the keyboard so much you may as well open up a terminal and type "mv flie file" to fix your filename.
My favorite way to select a file is to type the first letter of the file or more letters of it until it selects the file I am looking for. Windows Explorer and Konqueror will do this. Nautilus finally has it, although unfortunately it doesn't work in detail view.
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Obviously it's a subliminal message... they believe our right brain will subconscously recognize LINSPIRE as an anagram of IN PERILS.
"MICROSOFT" is an anagram for "SCO FROM IT"
This is no exception. It's just a sort of more native version of Cygwin. Sure, it could be kind of nifty, but it's not some major breakthrough which will leave the world shocked.
This is going to change MY world. Linux on all the Windows machines I use, without the cost of VMWare. Sure, there's always been Cygwin, but I've never liked Cygwin, its not nearly the same. I'd rather remote access a real Linux machine than use Cygwin.
yeah.. that's pretty much the only scenario that I imagined Microsoft being taken down :)
Well, at least, I imagined it would involve nukes somehow.
The inexpensive x86 machines out there all run Windows.
Not this inexpensive x86 machine.
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Is Microsoft just the big nail that always gets hammered first and will someone step in to take their place when they are finally taken down?
By taken down what do you mean? Microsoft is not going away for a long time. They have the resources to continue survival as long as they change to fit the market. They will do what they have to do to be profitable. And they will buy out technology that is already successful in order to do this.
Unless you mean lose their stranglehold on the desktop OS market. I certainly hope this happens soon. Maybe the snowball effect Linux is having will grow big enough to cut into this. Apple already has a great product that is catering to the premium market. Maybe someone else will step into the game?
In any case, a world without Microsoft is not going to happen. For example, if Linux became the desktop standard, Microsoft would certainly get involved with it and somehow make money off it. A world without Windows as the desktop standard, that's certainly possible.
i don't understand how a control can be "fast"?
.Net widget style. In Gnome, the "Industrial" theme doesn't require a lot of resources to render so it renders quickly. I've tried a few themes that copy some of the look of Mac OS X and they are noticably slower. I run on slower hardware (Duron 1.1GHz / Geforce2), so I notice these things, but it wouldn't bother me anyways.
I was speaking of a particular theme of controls, not GTK+ or Qt controls in general. A set of controls will be faster or slower depending on how many resources it takes to render them. A KDE example would be Keramik widget style might be slower than
it all boils down to personal preferance. in my early days of using linux systems, i was a gnome enthusiest purely on my lack of knowledge of kde licensing issues.
True.. For me, it was the opposite. I used KDE for quite a while before I gave Gnome a serious try with version 2.2 (and before that, I didn't pay much attention to desktop environments or WM's, the GUI was just something to open terminals in and maybe run Netscape). 2.4 had all the features I liked so I stuck with that.
Now, well, they both are really great, and make Linux a perfectly usable desktop OS. I look forward to more integration between the two.
Also check out KHotKeys (configure it in the KDE control panel). Very useful app. I actually use it in Gnome.
.xsessions file or just run it). They will load just as fast as they do in KDE.
Also, if you are using Gnome, and you find KDE apps loading slow under it, run kdeinit (you can put it in your
gnome just plain looks too much like ... well crap ... that to me there's no sense using it. their nice HID puts buttons on the wrong side.
This is personal preference. Although I really like KDE/Qt for a lot of reasons, I think it looks rather dull, and GTK+ apps look MUCH better.
I find the "Industrial" controls in Gnome look great and are very fast (I also use "Industrial" window controls). None of the default included KDE themes look good to me. I have done some searching, but have not found anything I like. There is supposedly a KDE theme that looks like Gnome's Industrial, but it failed to install. I'll try it again, but from the screenshots, it doesn't really look better than other KDE themes. It is much easier to install themes in Gnome, you just drag and drop the file into the theme dialog.
There are some great KDE apps, but it certainly isn't the look of them that is great. Konqueror is excellent. JuK works much better than Rhythmbox. And I use KHotKeys in Gnome. KDevelop is very useful. Kuickshow will be a great ACDSee clone once they fix a few bugs. Kopete is not bad, but its look and UI in general made me switch back to Gaim.
I can see why you might feel GTK+ widgets are too big. But I believe you can resize them. The default size may be too big for 1024x768, but perfect for 1600x1200.
Gnome and KDE aren't all that different. I don't see what the big deal is which one you use. There are just a few things that need to be done to let the two work together. Things like drag and drop; and KDE apps need to work with the Gnome notification area (Gnome apps work with KDE's notification area already). Other than that, it makes no difference, run kdeinit while running Gnome and you can run all the KDE apps in Gnome like you normally would in KDE. Or run gnome-settings-daemon while running KDE and you got Gnome/GTK+ apps working just like they normally would in Gnome.
The day when I can drag and drop files from Konqueror into any GTK+ app (and vice versa) will be a good day. For now, Rox file manager does the trick.
With the 'power' of open source 100 projects to implement this will be started on sourceforge
And this is better than having 100 closed source proprietary projects started by various companies. 5 of which will result in an actual product, and none of which will offer the perfect balance of features, stability, support, and price?
In any case, it sounds like you are criticising Sourceforge rather than open source. Like anything else, you have to filter out the noise.
man, you just don't get it, huh? if you don't already know what the big deal is about itunes then you'll never understand.
I don't get it, either. Sure, its a simple app that's easy to use, with a few really cool innovative features (like the ease of being able to use it as a streaming server). The store is innovative, but if you don't use it, who cares? For the power use, iTunes isn't very impressive.
Take a look at Winamp 5 for an example of what a media (not just music) player should be. It completely blows iTunes out of the water, though with some work, iTunes would be able to compete. If there should be an OSS clone of anything, it should be Winamp 5 (without some of the fluff, like skins and visualizations). Rhythmbox and JuK work ok, but are headed in the wrong direction by trying to copy Apple's over-simplified interface that makes the user work harder.
I think Linux needs a larger share of the desktop market before more game designers are convinced to make Linux ports....or maybe its the other way around. Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? Well, the good news is this year is supposedly the year of the Linux desktop.
I think the chicken comes first. Keep moving towards the goal of a super-slick, highly productive desktop. Once that goal is achieved, the games will come.
There was not many Windows games (only DOS games) until after everyone was using Windows for productivity apps.
Yes, people have the right to look like complete morons for complaining about a freebie service. I see many in this thread have chosen that route today.
I guess people are morons for complaining about things that are wrong with Linux too?
Being free does not shield you from complaints.
Complaints in a public forum are useful as warnings to others.
I said that as a simple statement towards those that complain about free services. Sure, MS has a goal with it -- but it didn't cost you any money.
Its not charity. You are viewing ads and making them money off this ads. They apply ads to every e-mail you send. You are advertising for them. It should not only be free, they should be paying you to use it.
Of course everyone should complain if it is a lousy service. They should complain so that everyone else knows not to use the lousy service. They should complain also so that the service improves.
You should also complain about broadcast TV and radio, because you are airing advertisements for them.
Being free as in beer (and as in make us money with advertisements) is not a good excuse for poor service.
My point was that Gateway's aren't made for geeks. They are made for people who never have any intention of opening their cases and will upgrade by buying an entirely new PC. The guy I was replying to said "I'm not sure I get the general Gateway-hate among geeks." I was explaining where it might be coming from.
You didn't really say what was terrible about the PS, and I don't see how the fact that the floppy and CD-ROMs had custom faceplates should matter. What do you mean, "clash with any other case?"
The power supply was a generic low-wattage power supply that was smaller than even your typical generic power supply. I admit, I did not check the voltages it was providing, but determined it was worthless just from looking at it.
If you were removing them to put in another system, I'd say that removes any obligation from Gateway at the point.
Well, I'm not saying Gateway is obligated to do anything. I'm saying people (especially geeks) should avoid Gateway because their systems may not be easilly upgradable. The reason I ended up with this Gateway was because I was upgrading it for one of my friends. I had most of a system built for them, and I was planning on using some of the old components from their old PC (this Gateway). When I arrived with the PC, I discovered that they had onboard video and sound, and that the CD-ROM and floppy drive didn't quite fit in the new PC. I was able to rip off the plastic on the front of the CD-ROM and floppy drive, but it exposed the insides of the floppy drive, and CD-ROM drive looked really weird. My mistake for assuming a Gateway was easilly upgradable, but I didn't expect it. I ended up buying the remains of it. The mobo and CPU were nice enough, everything else was junk.
I'd also suggest that, since you got it second hand, the "sick mess" inside the case may be the fault of the previous owner.
I said the case itself was a sick mess, not what was inside. Doing something simple like replacing the hard drive was a major ordeal. It was really that bad.
Though I have not seen a recent Gateway, so I don't know if its still this bad.
You can download Python plugins to work together with the excellent Eclipse.
Does this actually give you auto-completion? I heard that all it does is give you syntax highlighting.
Ok, just downloaded it for myself to check it out. It doesn't do any kind of auto-completion.
I'm not sure I get the general Gateway-hate among geeks. I have 5 computers here, one of them is a Gateway Pentium III 600. I've never had any problems with it whatsoever.
I've never liked Gateway. I bought a used P2-266 for really cheap. The only thing good in it was the motherboard and cpu. Everything else was mostly weird proprietary shit. The case was sick mess, and the cd-rom and floppy drives had curvy plastic on the front which made it completely clash with any other case. The power supply was something terrible, I ripped it apart and only kept the fan that was in it (but the fan was a piece of shit). The motherboard used onboard video for which there was no Win2k drivers, though I can't totally fault Gateway for that, and the board itself is pretty stable.
So, like many other system builders, Gateway takes a decent mobo and CPU, and slaps a bunch of cheap and/or proprietary crap onto it which any self-respecting geek would completely replace. So why not just buy the mobo and CPU and build your own?
From what I have seen, eMachines was starting to produce machines that were actually good (contrary to their earlier reputation). I really hope Gateway doesn't fuck it up. Though, maybe Gateway is better these days, I dunno, I haven't used a recent Gateway, but all the older ones I've used pretty much sucked.
MicronPC, on the otherhand, put out some good PC's back then (around the time of P1 and P2), and they still do. And they sell AMD-based machines. If I have to recommend a system builder, I recommend them.
My take on the letter was that the young programmer was some crazy RMS-worshipping free software zealot who was basically saying "ALL software MUST be free." He was basically saying that if a software is not free (as in speech), then it is worthless. The older guy writing the letter was basically say "that is the wrong attitude, closed-source software has value, especially for the purpose of making you money." But he was kind of a prick about it and wrote some rather flamebaitish stuff.
Word Perfect 5.1 was the best word processor ever. Nothing since that has ever come close.
WYSIWYG? WYSIKISSMYASS.
/.ers know that real men use 'kill -9' to do this.
Only real idiots use kill -9.
Hmm.. Just checked on some of the packages I use that I thought were only in unstable and they are in testing now. So, yeah, maybe testing might be a good idea. Unstable has burned me once or twice, though not too bad, the worse was Evolution not working for a week.
The thing about live auctions (as opposed to web auctions) is that people don't have a chance to research the items they are buying (unless they come prepared). They just show up, think they are getting a great deal and fork out the cash, sometimes paying more than the cost of a new item.
With online auctions its not as bad, because people can take their time and research the item.
But, if I understand correctly, if you install via Knoppix, you're pretty much stuck with Debian "unstable". Is that really a good idea for someone unfamiliar with Debian?
Most people trying out Debian as a desktop distro should use unstable so that they get the latest packages. It is actually very stable.
If you use stable or testing you will probably be disappointed by the age of the packages.
Yeah.. Maybe Symantic will retaliate by producing "Norton Linux" as their new anti-virus product.
Right, because you didn't use the mouse to select the file, right? Oh wait.
If you're using the keyboard so much you may as well open up a terminal and type "mv flie file" to fix your filename.
My favorite way to select a file is to type the first letter of the file or more letters of it until it selects the file I am looking for. Windows Explorer and Konqueror will do this. Nautilus finally has it, although unfortunately it doesn't work in detail view.