----- This is downloading movies so you can avoid paying for them ----- The objective jury is still out on the logic which states that every freely distributed copy equals a lost sale. But feel free to ride your arguments as long as possible.
Ahhhh... but this is a house where you agree to allow the landlord to place a communication device within your house. In today's day and age it also happens to be _the_ communication device. Accepting their cable modem or their DSL modem into your home gives them all sorts of rights. It's probably no coincidence that most providers won't allow you to use your own, self-purchased cable modem. I'm no lawyer but there has to be a legal shim in their somewhere.
I guess a better analogy would be the telephone operators from the 50s and 60s. They always had the good dirt on people.
Among people over 30 I've found that most military personnel are heterosexual upstanding citizens. Among people under 30 I've found that a significant portion of military personnel that I've met are homosexual men or lesbians who couldn't figure out what else to do with their life.
My observation pool is skewed, though. The pool for the >30 section comes from people I've met throughout life. The pool 30 comes from people that I've had contact with while looking for a roommate in a geographical area that is saturated with military personnel (ie. within 20 mile radius of a military installation). Still, though, all bigotry aside, this indicates to me that the general mood in Washington is,"If they're willing to die in the desert..."
Oh wait. I guess that's about the same as what you said.:)
What do you do if you can sense that there's a bug but you don't have the time or in-depth knowledge to track it to its source? Web=browser vulns come to mind. Firewall vulns come to mind. Heck, any low-level vuln that requires sorting through source code and piecing together all of the relevant buffers come to mind.
A bug report that consists of an empirical observation is much more likely to be dismissed (at best) or openly ridiculed if there isn't a definitive trace back to the source code.
Include a copyright, statement of ownership and a cease and desist clause in your will. Then, if any website continues to serve your content, some bored lawyer can sue them for unauthorized distribution a la MPAA/RIAA style.
You and I both know that's not true. Video games, just like drugs, eventually tail off in their efficacy and the user is led to move on to the next great thing. Red Alert simply isn't popular anymore. Prozac is starting to lose some of its popularity as well.
Life without music or video games sucks because it's simply more boring. The answer is: "Wah. Deal with it. If you can't afford it then that's your own problem."
Life without pharmaceuticals sucks because you might die or be plagued by a disease. The answer is: "Wah. Deal with it. If you can't afford it then that's your own problem."
----- How should you have the right to download someone else's intellectual property if they haven't given the permission to distribute it? ----- I hate to burst your bubble but it happens all the time.
You folks in the software industry just seem to think you're all special and deserve extra legal consideration because you have an electronic paper trail.
Take for example the guy working on an assembly line sorting and or counting parts. If he figures out a better way to arrange the items per tray so that he can count them faster isn't that his intellectual property? Absolutely. Can he patent it? Not if he wants to avoid the bosses boot in his backside.
Take the poor shmoe flipping burgers. Say he figures out a way to arrange his cooking area so that he can turn out burgers twice as fast as the next cook. Is that his intellectual property? Absolutely. Can he take the time out to patent it? Not if he wants to avoid the bosses boot in his backside.
Take the 12-year old delivering newspapers. Say he figures out a better way to run a route so that he can deliver the same 60 papers in less than half the time. Is that his intellectual property? Absolutely. Can he patent or copyright it? Yeah right. Like some 12-year old paperboy can afford that process or even begin to fill out the forms unless his daddy is some rich lawyer.
What about the football player that, in the middle of a game, figures out how the other team's defense is functioning and comes up with a route which leaves him wide open? Is that his intellectual property? Absolutely. Can he patent it? Well, for one, he's making too much already, for two his teammates don't know the difference unless he tells them what he's up to, and if the coach ever finds out then, well, he'd darn well better make that open source info or the he'll be running wind sprints all week at practice.
What makes you computer people feel that you deserve all this extra special protection?
----- GameCompanyX, that went under because of weak sales due to Piracy ----- Company's do not go under because of weak sales. They go under because of weak popularity. Popularity isn't entirely determined by sales. A good relationship with a upper level investor helps quite a bit to move stock into the umbrella of a 401k investment plan.
----- Generally speaking, when drug dealers do that, they sorta expect you to come back to them for your fix, not some other guy ----- Perfect! Since software companies are all owned by the same people at the level of controlling shareholders and executive boards then it does function somewhat like a drug ring. The same twelve players move a different set of henchman from one crackhouse to another. When a crackhouse dies out it's not because the drugs were being pirated but rather because it was just time for a change.
I've always wondered about this. They can't possibly claim to have actually sold every copy of Half-Life that was available yet the price never got below $40. You're perfectly right--only the crappiest crap available makes it to the $10-$20 rack.
So is this a marketing conspiracy? If a game hits platinum status do they simply decree that it will never be sold at a discount to prevent us thrifty consumers from keeping a sharp eye out for it?
You know... like music stores where Master of Puppets is still $16 even though it's 15 years old. Because it achieved such a high status the corporations greedily know that anyone who wants it will pay for it and anyone who pirates it becomes an instant potential lawsuit.
----- CDs cost too much, for just a few songs that are good. If I could pay just a little bit, for just the songs I wanted, and have them sent eletronically, I wouldn't pirate music anymore, honest! -----
My prescription costs too much. I only need a few weeks' worth of pills. Why do I have to pay for the development of all of these classy pharmaceuticals when I just need an antibiotic. If they could just make cheap penicillin then I wouldn't need to use Medicare to afford this prescription, honest!
Okay... it's a little over the top but if you have a brain and aren't a robot programmed to argue by default, you'll catch my drift.
The pharmaceutical industry is getting slapped for charging too much for its products. What makes you think that the software and music industries are so much more benign? You can say that no one _needs_ software or music, but in all reality, you don't need your anti-cancer drug either. Just accept your crappy life for what it is. If you can't afford the drug then deal with it.
So again, why is it that the music and software industry is so benevolently protecting its developers but we need Medicare/Medicaid/insurance to cover the costs of your drugs?
I'd like to make the same point but use the pharmaceutical industry as an analogy. People whined and complained for years that they wanted good drugs for pain, or for health, or for hair loss, or whatever. Then, when the drugs come out, then the people whine and complain that they want them cheaper. The pharmaceutical industry ran the propaganda that prices were high to recoup the development costs and keep the developers employed. People started going to alternative distributers which, while not free, were like pirating prescription drugs. Then the government set up Medicare and Medicaid to help the people who couldn't afford the drugs that they need so bad.
The software industry is the same way. The propaganda from on high is that the cost is right where it needs to be in order to keep the developers employed but,.just like the pharmaceutical industry, anyone with half a brain will see that the greed from the top is really driving the costs.
Feel free to apply the same general system to the RIAA/MPAA and their constant whining about music sharing.
Maybe we need Medicare/Medicaid for software and music. What's everyone going to do when we're all 80 years old and CDs are $65 each? We'll all have to go back to singing church songs and playing checkers.
Software is like a joke. There are people who produce it and people who benefit from it.
The people that produce good jokes don't get much for the joke. However, properly used at a dinner party, that good joke can get you laid or even get a promotion at work.
Good software writers don't get much for their software. Properly marketed efforts, however, can get a person laid or even get them a promotion.
Piracy doesn't cost any jobs any more than spreading jokes around has defeated humor. The only thing that costs jobs are the greedy SONS OF B**CHES SITTING ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD HORDING ALL THE CASH.
Video games are addictive. They lead to anti-social pursuits like staying in one place pressing buttons for purely retinal stimulation. Video games are only better than pr0n because they don't actually display naked bodies and shiny fluids.
Okay, that's over the top, but really the software industry functions the same way as any other system which distributes habit forming or addictive substances. If enough people get "hooked" then they raise the price to milk the machine for all its worth. Who doesn't? So while all the people who can afford games are out getting "high", the people who can't afford them are pirating.
Rather than bashing pirates all the time we need to take a good hard critical look at the industry. They're there to make money. So is everyone else. Why should the software industry get all the pity and remorse while the pharmaceutical industry gets tagged left and right for producing overpriced products?
This has been the crux of my argument against EULAs from the outset. A good programmer should not be held accountable if some blackhat exploits a hardware bug througha software availability. However, EULAs ensure that crappy programmers aren't held responsible for profiting from code that they know places the user at risk.
The courts answer has been to hold the end user accountable for everything. You were hacked? It's your own fault? Your computer was used as a kiddie pr0n relay? It's your own fault.
I guess it makes money for the court system but it doesn't do much for society.
And people wonder why "insider trading" isn't more prosecutable.
"Your honor, I had no idea that my manager was using the intended business moves of my client to weight his other accounts. There must've been a trojan on my computer."
Yeah... It's the one the IT department installs by default so that they can make sure you're a proper company man.
Well, human hearing is modelled to be on a logarithmic scale because the logarithmic scale best fits the empirical data. Nature doesn't conform to models but models can describe nature. Human hearing is actually much more complex than logarithmic.
All in all, though, you're right. For all practical purposes human hearing is on a logarithmic scale. There are outlying factors and special cases but, for hte most part, it doesn't make any difference.
A troll would say,"You're full of crap. The reality is that they won the election and they do serve and that's more than enough proof of their qualification."
I agree. The functioning of society seems to be nothing more than an endless pyramid scheme which feeds those who already have food with the bread stolen from the mouths of children who never have a chance to grow.
----- What kind of conservative are you? If you're for small government and for personal liberties... are you a libertarian? ----- At their inception Republicans were supposed to be the party which challenged big government and favored preserving personal civil liberties.
Then they realized that it takes money to get elected.
----- One of them is literally present on only ONE site in the world ----- And what you don't mention is that you've also tagged that page and the pages on the same server with the 100 most common search terms associated with people who typically buy merchandise from spam advertising in order to give your honeypot legitimacy. Web crawlers are color blind. Of course it was found.
EULAs provide umbrella protection for software which is knowlingly riddled with security holes. That's immoral and the exploitation of the security holes is illegal.
Driver's licenses provide a method of coercion in our police state. You have every right to refuse the request of a police officer and he has every right to take your driver's license. It's not illegal but it's immoral.
Roads, running water, and electricity are not at all illegal or immoral. Using roads, running water, and electricity to justify a gargantuan government which is grafted with only the wealthiest of people is preposterous and immoral.
Cross-reference the name on the credit card that you use to buy whatever you buy at Wal-Mart with publicly available motor vehicle databases. Use the RFID tag on whatever you buy in the store to follow you in the parking lot.
It'd take more than one trip but it's more likely than black helicopters harassing you.
----- YOU are the government, I am the government, WE are the government ----- I can't argue with the brainwashed.
----- Feel free to become involved in local politics, work your way up the system, and advocate for the changes you believe are necessary ----- Feel free to become involved in local politics, advocate ideas which expose the existing politicians for being the opportunistic grafted creeps that they are, and get harassed by the local police department.
----- I believe Tool said it best ----- Quoting pop culture certainly proves your point. They're clearly the best and brightest thinkers on the planet. Groupie.
You are another AC that's terribly indignant about anyone suggesting that your government isn't all it's cracked up to be. I applaud your mindless loyalty. Hold tight to that security blanket.
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This is downloading movies so you can avoid paying for them
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The objective jury is still out on the logic which states that every freely distributed copy equals a lost sale. But feel free to ride your arguments as long as possible.
Ahhhh... but this is a house where you agree to allow the landlord to place a communication device within your house. In today's day and age it also happens to be _the_ communication device. Accepting their cable modem or their DSL modem into your home gives them all sorts of rights. It's probably no coincidence that most providers won't allow you to use your own, self-purchased cable modem. I'm no lawyer but there has to be a legal shim in their somewhere.
I guess a better analogy would be the telephone operators from the 50s and 60s. They always had the good dirt on people.
Among people over 30 I've found that most military personnel are heterosexual upstanding citizens. Among people under 30 I've found that a significant portion of military personnel that I've met are homosexual men or lesbians who couldn't figure out what else to do with their life.
:)
My observation pool is skewed, though. The pool for the >30 section comes from people I've met throughout life. The pool 30 comes from people that I've had contact with while looking for a roommate in a geographical area that is saturated with military personnel (ie. within 20 mile radius of a military installation). Still, though, all bigotry aside, this indicates to me that the general mood in Washington is,"If they're willing to die in the desert..."
Oh wait. I guess that's about the same as what you said.
What do you do if you can sense that there's a bug but you don't have the time or in-depth knowledge to track it to its source? Web=browser vulns come to mind. Firewall vulns come to mind. Heck, any low-level vuln that requires sorting through source code and piecing together all of the relevant buffers come to mind.
A bug report that consists of an empirical observation is much more likely to be dismissed (at best) or openly ridiculed if there isn't a definitive trace back to the source code.
Include a copyright, statement of ownership and a cease and desist clause in your will. Then, if any website continues to serve your content, some bored lawyer can sue them for unauthorized distribution a la MPAA/RIAA style.
You and I both know that's not true. Video games, just like drugs, eventually tail off in their efficacy and the user is led to move on to the next great thing. Red Alert simply isn't popular anymore. Prozac is starting to lose some of its popularity as well.
Life without music or video games sucks because it's simply more boring. The answer is: "Wah. Deal with it. If you can't afford it then that's your own problem."
Life without pharmaceuticals sucks because you might die or be plagued by a disease. The answer is: "Wah. Deal with it. If you can't afford it then that's your own problem."
I'd say that's pretty much the same.
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How should you have the right to download someone else's intellectual property if they haven't given the permission to distribute it?
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I hate to burst your bubble but it happens all the time.
You folks in the software industry just seem to think you're all special and deserve extra legal consideration because you have an electronic paper trail.
Take for example the guy working on an assembly line sorting and or counting parts. If he figures out a better way to arrange the items per tray so that he can count them faster isn't that his intellectual property? Absolutely. Can he patent it? Not if he wants to avoid the bosses boot in his backside.
Take the poor shmoe flipping burgers. Say he figures out a way to arrange his cooking area so that he can turn out burgers twice as fast as the next cook. Is that his intellectual property? Absolutely. Can he take the time out to patent it? Not if he wants to avoid the bosses boot in his backside.
Take the 12-year old delivering newspapers. Say he figures out a better way to run a route so that he can deliver the same 60 papers in less than half the time. Is that his intellectual property? Absolutely. Can he patent or copyright it? Yeah right. Like some 12-year old paperboy can afford that process or even begin to fill out the forms unless his daddy is some rich lawyer.
What about the football player that, in the middle of a game, figures out how the other team's defense is functioning and comes up with a route which leaves him wide open? Is that his intellectual property? Absolutely. Can he patent it? Well, for one, he's making too much already, for two his teammates don't know the difference unless he tells them what he's up to, and if the coach ever finds out then, well, he'd darn well better make that open source info or the he'll be running wind sprints all week at practice.
What makes you computer people feel that you deserve all this extra special protection?
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GameCompanyX, that went under because of weak sales due to Piracy
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Company's do not go under because of weak sales. They go under because of weak popularity. Popularity isn't entirely determined by sales. A good relationship with a upper level investor helps quite a bit to move stock into the umbrella of a 401k investment plan.
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Generally speaking, when drug dealers do that, they sorta expect you to come back to them for your fix, not some other guy
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Perfect! Since software companies are all owned by the same people at the level of controlling shareholders and executive boards then it does function somewhat like a drug ring. The same twelve players move a different set of henchman from one crackhouse to another. When a crackhouse dies out it's not because the drugs were being pirated but rather because it was just time for a change.
I've always wondered about this. They can't possibly claim to have actually sold every copy of Half-Life that was available yet the price never got below $40. You're perfectly right--only the crappiest crap available makes it to the $10-$20 rack.
So is this a marketing conspiracy? If a game hits platinum status do they simply decree that it will never be sold at a discount to prevent us thrifty consumers from keeping a sharp eye out for it?
You know... like music stores where Master of Puppets is still $16 even though it's 15 years old. Because it achieved such a high status the corporations greedily know that anyone who wants it will pay for it and anyone who pirates it becomes an instant potential lawsuit.
Let me refresh your memory...
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CDs cost too much, for just a few songs that are good. If I could pay just a little bit, for just the songs I wanted, and have them sent eletronically, I wouldn't pirate music anymore, honest!
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My prescription costs too much. I only need a few weeks' worth of pills. Why do I have to pay for the development of all of these classy pharmaceuticals when I just need an antibiotic. If they could just make cheap penicillin then I wouldn't need to use Medicare to afford this prescription, honest!
Okay... it's a little over the top but if you have a brain and aren't a robot programmed to argue by default, you'll catch my drift.
The pharmaceutical industry is getting slapped for charging too much for its products. What makes you think that the software and music industries are so much more benign? You can say that no one _needs_ software or music, but in all reality, you don't need your anti-cancer drug either. Just accept your crappy life for what it is. If you can't afford the drug then deal with it.
So again, why is it that the music and software industry is so benevolently protecting its developers but we need Medicare/Medicaid/insurance to cover the costs of your drugs?
I'd like to make the same point but use the pharmaceutical industry as an analogy. People whined and complained for years that they wanted good drugs for pain, or for health, or for hair loss, or whatever. Then, when the drugs come out, then the people whine and complain that they want them cheaper. The pharmaceutical industry ran the propaganda that prices were high to recoup the development costs and keep the developers employed. People started going to alternative distributers which, while not free, were like pirating prescription drugs. Then the government set up Medicare and Medicaid to help the people who couldn't afford the drugs that they need so bad.
The software industry is the same way. The propaganda from on high is that the cost is right where it needs to be in order to keep the developers employed but,.just like the pharmaceutical industry, anyone with half a brain will see that the greed from the top is really driving the costs.
Feel free to apply the same general system to the RIAA/MPAA and their constant whining about music sharing.
Maybe we need Medicare/Medicaid for software and music. What's everyone going to do when we're all 80 years old and CDs are $65 each? We'll all have to go back to singing church songs and playing checkers.
Software is like a joke. There are people who produce it and people who benefit from it.
The people that produce good jokes don't get much for the joke. However, properly used at a dinner party, that good joke can get you laid or even get a promotion at work.
Good software writers don't get much for their software. Properly marketed efforts, however, can get a person laid or even get them a promotion.
Piracy doesn't cost any jobs any more than spreading jokes around has defeated humor. The only thing that costs jobs are the greedy SONS OF B**CHES SITTING ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD HORDING ALL THE CASH.
Video games are addictive. They lead to anti-social pursuits like staying in one place pressing buttons for purely retinal stimulation. Video games are only better than pr0n because they don't actually display naked bodies and shiny fluids.
Okay, that's over the top, but really the software industry functions the same way as any other system which distributes habit forming or addictive substances. If enough people get "hooked" then they raise the price to milk the machine for all its worth. Who doesn't? So while all the people who can afford games are out getting "high", the people who can't afford them are pirating.
Rather than bashing pirates all the time we need to take a good hard critical look at the industry. They're there to make money. So is everyone else. Why should the software industry get all the pity and remorse while the pharmaceutical industry gets tagged left and right for producing overpriced products?
It's all the same thing, folks.
This has been the crux of my argument against EULAs from the outset. A good programmer should not be held accountable if some blackhat exploits a hardware bug througha software availability. However, EULAs ensure that crappy programmers aren't held responsible for profiting from code that they know places the user at risk.
The courts answer has been to hold the end user accountable for everything. You were hacked? It's your own fault? Your computer was used as a kiddie pr0n relay? It's your own fault.
I guess it makes money for the court system but it doesn't do much for society.
And people wonder why "insider trading" isn't more prosecutable.
"Your honor, I had no idea that my manager was using the intended business moves of my client to weight his other accounts. There must've been a trojan on my computer."
Yeah... It's the one the IT department installs by default so that they can make sure you're a proper company man.
Well, human hearing is modelled to be on a logarithmic scale because the logarithmic scale best fits the empirical data. Nature doesn't conform to models but models can describe nature. Human hearing is actually much more complex than logarithmic.
All in all, though, you're right. For all practical purposes human hearing is on a logarithmic scale. There are outlying factors and special cases but, for hte most part, it doesn't make any difference.
A troll would say,"You're full of crap. The reality is that they won the election and they do serve and that's more than enough proof of their qualification."
I agree. The functioning of society seems to be nothing more than an endless pyramid scheme which feeds those who already have food with the bread stolen from the mouths of children who never have a chance to grow.
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What kind of conservative are you? If you're for small government and for personal liberties... are you a libertarian?
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At their inception Republicans were supposed to be the party which challenged big government and favored preserving personal civil liberties.
Then they realized that it takes money to get elected.
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One of them is literally present on only ONE site in the world
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And what you don't mention is that you've also tagged that page and the pages on the same server with the 100 most common search terms associated with people who typically buy merchandise from spam advertising in order to give your honeypot legitimacy. Web crawlers are color blind. Of course it was found.
EULAs provide umbrella protection for software which is knowlingly riddled with security holes. That's immoral and the exploitation of the security holes is illegal.
Driver's licenses provide a method of coercion in our police state. You have every right to refuse the request of a police officer and he has every right to take your driver's license. It's not illegal but it's immoral.
Roads, running water, and electricity are not at all illegal or immoral. Using roads, running water, and electricity to justify a gargantuan government which is grafted with only the wealthiest of people is preposterous and immoral.
You don't think much, do you?
Keylogger, relay, proxy, bouncer.
:)
They need a way to plant the evidence that they'll use against me, you know.
Cross-reference the name on the credit card that you use to buy whatever you buy at Wal-Mart with publicly available motor vehicle databases. Use the RFID tag on whatever you buy in the store to follow you in the parking lot.
It'd take more than one trip but it's more likely than black helicopters harassing you.
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YOU are the government, I am the government, WE are the government
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I can't argue with the brainwashed.
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Feel free to become involved in local politics, work your way up the system, and advocate for the changes you believe are necessary
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Feel free to become involved in local politics, advocate ideas which expose the existing politicians for being the opportunistic grafted creeps that they are, and get harassed by the local police department.
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I believe Tool said it best
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Quoting pop culture certainly proves your point. They're clearly the best and brightest thinkers on the planet. Groupie.
You are another AC that's terribly indignant about anyone suggesting that your government isn't all it's cracked up to be. I applaud your mindless loyalty. Hold tight to that security blanket.
Wow. You're really really indignant about someone slighting your precious government, aren't you AC?
Keep suckling on that teat. Shall I get your security blankie for you?