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U.S. Gov Agency Blunders With Keyword Blacklist

Anonymous Submitter writes "There's an interesting CNet article which highlights a report released by the OpenNet Initiative. The report examines how "a U.S. government agency charged with fighting Iranian and Chinese Internet censorship is quietly censoring the Web itself". Among some of the sites this U.S. agency accidentally blocks are breastcancer.com, teens.drugabuse.gov, several gay rights websites, and even usembassy.state.gov. Some of the members of the group who prepared this report were responsible for a previous Slashdot discussion entitled "Academics Take On Government Net Censorship". The report raises questions about the potential inaccuracy of proprietary and other secretive filtering mechanisms: who should be responsible for ensuring their accuracy?"

240 comments

  1. Slashdotting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this just an excuse to /. the US embassy? Seems like this article is a terrorist plot.

  2. A new department is needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Perhaps the Department of Homeland Accuracy.

  3. Given that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given that the mood in Washington is fairly anti-gay rights, what makes you think that one was 'accidental'

    </tinfoil hat mode>

    1. Re:Given that... by tyleroar · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well because as you could see if you RTFA, it lists what keywords are being blocked, Here.

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    2. Re:Given that... by maximilln · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Among people over 30 I've found that most military personnel are heterosexual upstanding citizens. Among people under 30 I've found that a significant portion of military personnel that I've met are homosexual men or lesbians who couldn't figure out what else to do with their life.

      My observation pool is skewed, though. The pool for the >30 section comes from people I've met throughout life. The pool 30 comes from people that I've had contact with while looking for a roommate in a geographical area that is saturated with military personnel (ie. within 20 mile radius of a military installation). Still, though, all bigotry aside, this indicates to me that the general mood in Washington is,"If they're willing to die in the desert..."

      Oh wait. I guess that's about the same as what you said. :)

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    3. Re:Given that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may be skewed for another reason. Due to all the political hoopla over gays-in-the-military (which the military didn't give a shit about btw), calling yourself gay in the military now is sort of a lark. At many places, one of the indoctrinations of the new homophobes (typically new personell to a command) is to have the gay-guy (who is best at acting gay) harass them for a month or so. By the time he is done, they are broken down and will harass the next guys the same. There is no doubt that its sexual harassment, but I'm just telling it the way it is. Sometimes its hard to leave the job BS behind (talk to a sailor for 5 minutes and count the cuss words) so things might carry over.

    4. Re:Given that... by youaredan · · Score: 0, Troll

      Gotta agree here. I have friends that are in the military and I can definitely say the military wasn't bettered by thier presence. All I can think of when I hear "army" is a line of borderline rapists waiting thier turn with the Thai twelve-year-olds. Makes you wonder just how bad the world hates our military if we wouldn't trust many of them ourselves (like you said, especially the younger ones). Whatever happened to "the service" ... now its like "the serviced"

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    5. Re:Given that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      please tell me, other than marriage, what rights a gay person doesn't have that a heterosexual person does?

      this is hyperbole at its finest. Washington isn't anti-gay rights, it's anti-gay marriage, which most of the nation is. there's a difference. Learn it.

      No surprise idiotic sensationalistic comments like these are 'insightful' on slashdot.

    6. Re:Given that... by fenix+down · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you make a filter that blocks everything with the word "gay" in it, it's can't really be an accident when a gay rights site gets blocked. Maybe it was an accident that they added gay to the list? Maybe they were all "hey, is this blacklist, like, a list of words the Chinese will be allowed to look at?" and then the other guy was like "whoa, I don't know" and then the third guy was like "probably, I guess" and then when they found out 365gay.com got blocked they were all "damn, it was an accident, man."

    7. Re:Given that... by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      No. See, Republicans and Democrats both hate gays, but they still want their votes anyway. So both parties are only passively anti-gay (i. e. they're too lazy).

    8. Re:Given that... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 3, Informative
      Given that the mood in Washington is fairly anti-gay rights, what makes you think that one was 'accidental'

      Who cares? Compared to the fact that the draft board is making plans to draft geeks the blacklisting of certain keywords in govt. computer systems seems a rather trivial issue.

      "In line with today's needs, the Selective Service System's structure, programs and activities should be re-engineered toward maintaining a national inventory of American men and, for the first time, women, ages 18 through 34, with an added focus on identifying individuals with critical skills,"

      How much more relevant the Slashdot editors choices of blacklisted keywords and the SEC fine of Gates are to the average geek reading slashdot! It will be so good to know when you get sent out to Baghdad to fight for Halliburton, that there are people back in the US fighting for the right of middle ranking civil servants to visit gay web sites during working hours.

      If news of the plannning were not enough Rumsfeld has denied that the administration thinks that extending the draft is desirable or necessary. If you have been following the real news sites with stuff that matters you will know that Rumsfeld also said that there was no need for more troops in Iraq only a week before they were sent.

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    9. Re:Given that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Given that the mood in Washington is fairly
      > anti-gay rights, what makes you think that one
      > was 'accidental'

      Anti-gay rights? Hardly, both Democrats and
      Republicans fall over themselves these days
      to placate this group of degenerates. If
      Washington was truly "anti-gay" we would enforce
      our sodomy laws and put these disturbed indi-
      viduals on an island somewhere.

    10. Re:Given that... by flamelord · · Score: 0

      so you live near a naval base I take it?

    11. Re:Given that... by krunk7 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ding!! Ding!! Ding!!

      You've been awarded the Bigoted Idiot of the Week prize!!!

      How's it feel to know your a complete and utter Jackass?
    12. Re:Given that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if most of the country is anti-gay marriage that does not mean, that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed. Just because the majority thinks that killing jews is alright, it doesn't make it alright!

      Ever heard of tolerance?

    13. Re:Given that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes - the issue of gay marriage is exactly equivalent to that of killing Jews en masse! You just managed to invoke Godwin's law. Well done!

    14. Re:Given that... by sckeener · · Score: 1

      If you make a filter that blocks everything with the word "gay" in it, it's can't really be an accident when a gay rights site gets blocked.

      Maybe they really hate pre-1900 literature. Shrub doesn't read ya know...He might not realize that there are other definitions for the word GAY.

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    15. Re:Given that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who actually administers web traffic monitoring systems for a very large fed.govt agency, I can assure you that the only interest is not getting sued for allowing folks to browse p0rn. It's strictly a PC CYA for the feds in charge here. Maintaining a non-hostile workplace and all that liberal crap, not a conservative plot, but a liberal one.
      I used to use a shell script to search the logs for the 7 dirty words plus a few more, now we use one of the subscription services, which rates web sites based on all manner of criteria. The service more or less works, and I'm pretty easy going about fixing sites mislabeled when I'm asked to.

    16. Re:Given that... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > If Washington was truly "anti-gay" we would enforce our sodomy laws

      If Washington was truly concerned with the future of our country, you would be shot to ensure your ignorance is not spread to another generation. Fortunately for you & for Gay people, we have this concept called Freedom. It isn't reality, but we are supposed to think so.

    17. Re:Given that... by nlindstrom · · Score: 1

      You're an asshat.

  4. Extra keywords to submit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    binladen, linux, communism.

    Those topics are generally disturbing and harmful to both the security and the economy of America.

    1. Re:Extra keywords to submit by rthille · · Score: 2, Funny

      you forgot: "the economy", "democratic", "recount"

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  5. Naughty Words by tyleroar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Berman said. "Basically, we said, 'Implement a porn filter.' We were looking for serious, hard-core nasty stuff to block...I couldn't come up with a list (of off-limits words) if my life depended on it."
    Rrriite...
    Because he Never Looks at porn ;)

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    1. Re:Naughty Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously.. I never do!

    2. Re:Naughty Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes sense. The internet is like the Wild West. You never know what is going to come up (no pun intended). How can you have a professional organization that doesn't get hammered with sexual harassment and other types of obscenities lawsuits without some sort of web filtering? Remember, we live in a new age:
      1. Spill McDonalds coffee
      2. Sue McDonalds
      Can you guess step 3?

    3. Re:Naughty Words by Ultra64 · · Score: 3, Funny

      3. Collect Underpants?

    4. Re:Naughty Words by fenix+down · · Score: 0, Troll

      Get made fun of by people on /. for the fact that you can't feel your clit anymore?

    5. Re:Naughty Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The stupid shall pay. If I cut off my fingers on one hand with scissors, I really don't have a right to sue the company that made the scissors for not putting on a label "Don't use on fingers."

    6. Re:Naughty Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's hard to remember the days before the web became popular. But way back then, many people managed to survive without using pr0n. I for one found the Sears catalog to be very stimulating.

    7. Re:Naughty Words by danila · · Score: 1

      But what if you find out that the paper scissors you bought could easily cut through flesh and bone with very little pressure applied? You just wanted to open the envelope, but accidentally cut all your fingers on your left hand. Wouldn't you be both surprised and pissed off?

      The woman that sued McDonalds received third degree burns over 6% of her body because the coffee wasn't hot. It was scalding. Normal coffee is 60 degrees, McDonalds served coffee at 85, because it was cheaper. Coffee at 85 degrees is capable of causing full thickness burns to your skin in as little as two seconds. Do you really expect your coffee to be more dangerous than hydrochloric acid?

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    8. Re:Naughty Words by WoodenRobot · · Score: 1
      Do you really expect your coffee to be more dangerous than hydrochloric acid?

      Why, yes I do. That's my definition of a good cup o' coffee right there. How else are you meant to be able to wake up and face the day?

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    9. Re:Naughty Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey pin head Coffee is supposed to be hot.
      Yes it is supposed to be that hot.
      If you were dumb enough to put a cup of hydrochloric acid in your lap I am not going to feel bad for you either....
      Putting coffee in your lap in a moving car is bad enough blaming the restaurant when you squeeze your legs hard enough to pop the lid off ....
      A Darwin award just waiting to happen.

    10. Re:Naughty Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, numb nuts! You don't drink coffee at that temperature - you would scald your mouth, and not be able to taste anything. McDonalds is serving fast food - to be consumed there and then. The coffee they serve is too hot to be drunk in the restaurant, to the point that it causes injury. McDonalds excuse in court was that the coffee was being sold for people to drink it at home (but they are a "restaurant"?). That said, given the circumstances, her actions were contributory, and that was addressed in court. But McDonalds had already been in court before on this issue, so the court issued a sterner view. Read up on the case first before opining, and you'll look less stupid.

    11. Re:Naughty Words by danila · · Score: 1

      First, coffee is supposed to be 60 degrees - that's the way it is served in coffee shops, that's they way it is drinken by people. 85 degree hot coffee that was served to that poor woman is unfit for consumption, McDonalds specialists admitted it. I suggest you try drinking 85 degree hot coffee. Just don't do it alone, or you would not even be able to call 911 with a burned throat and stuff.

      And just for your reference, the car was not moving and the woman was 70+ years old. And McDonalds already knew about the danger because there have been a few hundreds accidents already, but refused to do anything, because it is cheaper to serve hot coffee.

      This wasn't a Darwin award waiting to happen, that was a criminal negligence lawsuit waiting to happen. And it happened.

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  6. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  7. Regex trouble? by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The official naughty-keyword list displays a conservative bias that labels any Web address with "gay" in them as verboten--a decision that affects thousands of Web sites that deal with gay and lesbian issues, as well as DioceseOfGaylord.org, a Roman Catholic site.

    What? Never heard of ...
    push @naughtywords, $banned =~ m/gay\./
    ?

  8. IT error? by eagle8635 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is this the improper setup of a filter? I know that a lot of filters have settings for say, blocking explicit sites (pr0n), but it is possible to tell them to also allow them to visit medical related sites (breast cancer). Did someone not configure it?

    1. Re:IT error? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Question is, what are they doing with a filter in the first place?

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    2. Re:IT error? by Geoff-with-a-G · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some content filterng programs use lists of sites, categorized. This allows you to implement the kind of nuanced policy that you're talking about, (say block Sex/Acts but allow Sex/Education) but has the weakness of allowing anything that hasn't been put on the lists. If someone starts a new porn site, it won't be filtered until the fitering software list is updated. Also, this runs into trouble when a site (say, Geocities or images.google) hosts a huge vareity of content, and blocking the site will block all of it.

      The alternative is dynamically filtering pages based on words that appear in it. That's the approach being used here, but sometimes it's tricky to differentiate between a medical site talking about penises and a porn site talking about penises, just based on which words are on the page. Some material is ambiguous enough that different humans have a hard time agreeing whether or not it's porn. Good luck getting a fast algorithm to do better.

    3. Re:IT error? by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 1

      Blocking freedom of speech. Duh.

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  9. just plain stupid by adamruck · · Score: 5, Funny

    um... they blocked the word 'my'.... this tells me the people running this program are stupid... nothing more.. I see no evil plot here

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    1. Re:just plain stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      The fact that these people are stupid and, evidently, the people who are supposed to be the administrators are stupid as well, does not make you in any way slightly worried?

      I've never seen the attraction of leaving a country in control of a total idiot. Hmm. So you can guess what my opinion of the current president is...

      Why do people think it's GOOD to be stupid??

    2. Re:just plain stupid by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      And never mind thae fact that people can be both stupid and evil plotters. Now that's scary.

      KFG

    3. Re:just plain stupid by spacecowboy420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Why do people think it's GOOD to be stupid??"

      Not that I endorse ignorance, but those stupid people sure are happy. They just do what everyone else does and life is gravy. If you're stupid, you've got lots of company (since there's alot of dumbasses), so it's quite pleasant to drink budweiser, watch WWE, complain about commies and sand niggers, and make fun of smart people with all of your stupid friends. Ignorance TRULY is bliss.

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    4. Re:just plain stupid by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > um... they blocked the word 'my'.... this tells me the people running this program are stupid... nothing more.. I see no evil plot here

      Yeah. What about people who are from Malaysia, you insensitive clod? :)

    5. Re:just plain stupid by jeffasselin · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the two just cancel each other? They'd do evil acts, but stupidly enough that they'd make errors?

      Somewhat like Dr Evil in Austin Powers?

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    6. Re:just plain stupid by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but my personal observation is that, unlike in the movies, when stupid people try to do evil they cause even more trouble for us than they'd actually intended, without even getting what they want, rendering the whole exercise pointless for everybody.

      Which is what makes it stupid.

      KFG

    7. Re:just plain stupid by Tokerat · · Score: 1


      Unless you spelt it ridiculously, such as "My'lil asia", a filter for "My" shouldn't pick it up.

      Then again, a Google search for "Buttered cat" gave me this picture of old guys, so who knows.....

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    8. Re:just plain stupid by Frizzle+Fry · · Score: 1

      "my" is the two-letter "country code" for malaysia. So the .my tld belong to malaysia. I'm pretty sure that's what he was referring to.

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    9. Re:just plain stupid by Tokerat · · Score: 1


      ...why would the US Government block access to Malaysian websites?

      Sounds either really suspicious or really, really stupid to me...

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  10. Common Sense by fostware · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wish they'd use common sense...

    In school environments, we've always set the Squid filters to allow pages containing health, medical, rights, etc - words likely to give context to what may or may not be blocked

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    1. Re:Common Sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I wish they'd use common sense...

      Come on now, this is the US Government we are talking about. You are kidding, right?

    2. Re:Common Sense by NiceGeek · · Score: 1

      The problem with common sense is that it is rarely common.

    3. Re:Common Sense by jpmkm · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes! I finally figured out the formula to getting schoolchildren to look at porn! Tell everyone to go to healthmedicalrightsbigtitshotsex.com. I'll be a millionaire! Thanks fostware.

    4. Re:Common Sense by fostware · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, I'm Australian. I'm prou...

      Oh fsck it, nevermind...

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    5. Re:Common Sense by pseudochaotic · · Score: 1

      Wait, you mean kids in school aren't looking at porn every chance they get? Now that's news worthy of the front page on /..

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    6. Re:Common Sense by geek4ever · · Score: 0

      I know the formula the schoolchildren found to look at porn themselves! The google cache! I mean really, who among us needed someone to try to get us to look at porn??

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  11. Censured Words by Rendrago · · Score: 5, Informative

    The list includes "ass" (which inadvertently bans usembassy.state.gov), "breast" (breastcancer.com), "hot" (hotmail.com and hotels.com), "pic" (epic.noaa.gov) and "teen" (teens.drugabuse.gov). Goodbye any site with the word topic.

    1. Re:Censured Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overrated, I say. Thank you, Captain Obvious.

    2. Re:Censured Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, as usual with this simple-minded type of blocking, you can forget about finding fitness clubs in Lincolnshire, or doing Genealogical research or going to the cinema in Yorkshire

  12. Brilliant Move by WebBug · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So, we want the Iranians to visit websites, but instead of allowing their government to censor what they can see, we'll make their choices for them.

    Brilliant. Now I've heard it all. So, when do we start "conserving bandwidth" in the US?

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    1. Re:Brilliant Move by cpghost · · Score: 1

      So, when do we start "conserving bandwidth" in the US?

      Kyoto II mandates the conservation of global bandwidth, but the US didn't want to play nice...

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  13. George **** & **** Cheney 2004!!! by grocer · · Score: 5, Funny

    wow....Bush and Dick are both on the banned word list...ooops.....

  14. Keyword filtering will never, ever work by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just try to team up with a reasonable company like Secure Computing and use their Smartfilter list to block URLs. Keywords will aways produce tons of false-positives. We have to deal with this everyday and no matter what you hippies want to believe, you DON'T have a right to browse pornography on work computers. Go jerk off at home.

    1. Re:Keyword filtering will never, ever work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      no matter what you hippies want to believe, you DON'T have a right to browse pornography on work computers

      So how does that explain when my boss (ie. the owner) was franticly searching for the Paris Hilton video, back when it was all the rage. On company time, with a group of us clustered around his desk to see what he found. Oh, and yes, we're a normal tech-type company, not a pr0n house...

    2. Re:Keyword filtering will never, ever work by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Those aren't "hippies" son. We're way too old to be stroking ourselves at work. Most of us have "old ladies" at home. Perhaps you were looking for a word to describe your geeky friends, like tech nerds, or yuppies?

    3. Re:Keyword filtering will never, ever work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Please man. I agree with you on one point, keyword filtering will never work. Why they're not using Bayesian filtering is beyond me. But the point of this article is not that they're filtering, they're filtering with a political motivation. Exactly the problem with china. From the article:

      Instead, the list unintentionally reveals its author's views of what's appropriate and inappropriate. The official naughty-keyword list displays a conservative bias that labels any Web address with "gay" in them as verboten--a decision that affects thousands of Web sites that deal with gay and lesbian issues, as well as DioceseOfGaylord.org, a Roman Catholic site.

      More to the point, the U.S. government could have set a positive example to the world regarding acceptance of gays and lesbians--especially in Iran, which punishes homosexuality with death.
    4. Re:Keyword filtering will never, ever work by psocccer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Something I've been thinking of lately is how come no one seems to have applied a bayes filter to a web proxy? I would think you could train it on a huge amount of "blacklist" sites and then simply correct it when something legit gets filtered, since passing through to a legit site usually involves the admin it could probably be automatic as well.

    5. Re:Keyword filtering will never, ever work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have to deal with this everyday and no matter what you hippies want to believe, you DON'T have a right to browse pornography on work computers

      What about if you are the web master for a porn site hmm? Or a copyright lawyer trying to gather evidence of copyright infringement? Would viewing porn not then be paramount to getting work done?

      Lighten up dude, that forehead vein is going to burst and somebody is going to get hurt.

    6. Re:Keyword filtering will never, ever work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I can say is RTFA ... this has nothing whatever to do with people 'browsing porn on work computers' ... though you are right on about the futility of keyword-based filtering

    7. Re:Keyword filtering will never, ever work by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      That's a great idea. Especially if you filter by content, rather than domain name.

      Many porn sites include every sexual keyword they can think of, in order to attract the attention of search engines. (Not that that works well with google, what with PageRank rating by links.)

    8. Re:Keyword filtering will never, ever work by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1
      So how does that explain when my boss (ie. the owner) was franticly searching for the Paris Hilton video, back when it was all the rage. On company time, with a group of us clustered around his desk to see what he found. Oh, and yes, we're a normal tech-type company, not a pr0n house...

      You're obviously in a hostile work environment. Intentionally browsing for pornography here will get you terminated immediately.

  15. A bit sensationalist, isn't it? by ePhil_One · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The agency is censoring pages coming into its organization, not the internet in general, like China and Iran are attempting to do. Why it's comical and ironic, this submission is a bit misleading.

    And I dount they have much choice. Government agencies often have this stuff mandated on them to "protect" the workspace, avoid having citizens groups screaming about government employees surfing porn on the job, hostile workplace regulation, etc.

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    1. Re:A bit sensationalist, isn't it? by Firethorn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bingo. This is part of my job. I'm handed a list of keywords to block, and we have the majority of the filters turned on. Anybody complains, I check the site, and unblock it if it's okay. The reasoning that is used to allow this is that the network is 'for official use only'. You want to do some recreational surfing, you can do it at home. Totally different issue from a library/public school.

      Otherwise, we'd have problems with people screaming about us not blocking it the first time somebody was surfing porn and an 'objector' came across it and said they're harrassed.

      It's sad, but the current policy is that 'harrasment is defined by the harrassee'.

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    2. Re:A bit sensationalist, isn't it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      not the internet in general, like China and Iran are attempting to do
      No, the point is Voice of America had the good sense to uncensor the internet for Chinese and Iranians (by effectively subscribing everyone in those countries to Anonymizer), but then had the bad idea to censor the internet in general as Chinese and Iranians can access it through Anonymizer--the only way they can get it uncensored by their own governments.

      It doesn't have anything to do with the workspace in any US agency.
    3. Re:A bit sensationalist, isn't it? by UnrepentantHarlequin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not censoring pages coming into its organization. (well, it might be, but that's not what the article is about)

      It's censoring the pages that people in China and Iran can see, via a proxy server (Anonymizer, which used to be legit) that it is funding as a way for the Chinese and Iranians to get around their government's censorship. That's the whole point: They're replacing the Chinese and Iranian government's censorship with the US government's censorship.

      The Chinese government doesn't want Chinese people to read sites that have views opposed to theirs. The US government doesn't want Chinese people to read sites that have views opposed to theirs. I fail to see any difference.

      What's really sad is that the Anonymizer used to be a legitimate company, with some concern about things like privacy and freedom. I wonder how much money it took to make them John Ashcroft's bitch. I sure wouldn't trust them for "anonymous" surfing any more ... they probably have a direct feed to the Vaterland Security Agency.

  16. only employees are filtered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How hard is it to understand that the government doesn't want its employees to surf objectionable web sites on government time and using government resources?

    It's not filtering content for non-government users.

    1. Re:only employees are filtered by Uncle+Gropey · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, no you are missing the point here. An employer has no right to guide the activities of it's employees on company time, nor does an employer have the right to control traffic on it's data networks.

      Stop oppressing us!

    2. Re:only employees are filtered by Ensign+Regis · · Score: 1

      For the sake of your job, I'm going to hope and pray that that was sarcasm.

  17. Who needs accuracy? by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The report raises questions about the potential inaccuracy of proprietary and other secretive filtering mechanisms: who should be responsible for ensuring their accuracy?

    Nobody needs to ensure their accuracy if no one will use them.

    I think they should quit trying to filter out pr0n and drugs etc, and instead focus on scam and advertizing cites. Then maybe I might use their filter.

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  18. stupid goal and stupid implementation by belmolis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any content-based restriction on what sites people can visit is improper. Not only does the government have no business playing censor, but it sends the wrong message to people elsewhere, namely that censorship is okay, as long as it is the right kind.

    If they really didn't want to waste resources on anything other than pro-democracy web sites, they could provide access just to specific sites, or they could provide open access but limit bandwidth. The images from porn sites will generally use much more bandwidth than the text of a political discussion. As it stands, the keyword list the contractor used is really hopeless. It just goes to show that there aren't very many words that are likely only to be associated with porn cites. I bet that any number of Catholic sites, for example, are blocked by the "virgin" keyword. In any case, where foreign countries are concerned, keyword blocking should be easy to get around. Instead of putting the sexual terms in your domain name, you put them in meta tags and site text, and you put them there in Chinese and Persian and so forth. How halfway intelligent people with the serious mission of spreading freedom and democracy can waste their time on such a thing is beyond me.

  19. Dear TWATRAVEL.COM by Letter · · Score: 0, Funny
    Dear TWATRAVEL.COM,

    Luckily, the U.S. Government has not blocked you.

    Sincerely,
    A Happy TWATTRAVEL.COM User

    1. Re:Dear TWATRAVEL.COM by Guy+Harris · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, but what about this is scunthorpe?

  20. Talk about behind the times by shamino0 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Corporate America stopped using keyword-filters for precisely this reason over 10 years ago.

    I remember by father's inability to access the Middlesex county government page from work because of the string "sex" in the URL. This was 12 years ago. They switched to a different filter system a few months afterwards.

    1. Re:Talk about behind the times by Lurker+McLurker · · Score: 1

      There have also been problems with UK workplaces accessing anything connected with the town of Scunthorpe.

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    2. Re:Talk about behind the times by spacefrog · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your father had an internet connection and web browser at work in 1992? Wow.

    3. Re:Talk about behind the times by Johnno74 · · Score: 1

      Where I work they filter email pretty aggressively based on keywords.

      Here are some keywords that cause an email (incoming or outgoing) to be rejected

      "Joke" - because the email must be a joke.
      "blone" - err.. presumeably because its a blonde joke?

      And, most clever of all:
      "spam" - because, the email *must* be spam!

      Brilliant! Why hasn't anyone thought of this before! Quick, I'm off to patent this filtering method.

    4. Re:Talk about behind the times by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

      IIRC, 1993, I started with Mosaic. Was not long after that when I moved to Netscape. Have been faithful ever since, and I stay current on Mozilla.

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    5. Re:Talk about behind the times by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

      Filtering on 'ho' obviously.

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    6. Re:Talk about behind the times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was accessing a webpage in 1992? I find that hard to believe.

    7. Re:Talk about behind the times by GoClick · · Score: 1

      Good eye, someone mod this up!

    8. Re:Talk about behind the times by shamino0 · · Score: 1
      Your father had an internet connection and web browser at work in 1992? Wow.

      OK. So maybe I was a little off with the date. I was sure that this incident happened before I finished grad school (end of 1993), but maybe it was a little later. It certainly wasn't a recent event.

      His company did provide internet access early on (back when that just meant e-mail and news), and they did start out using keyword filters when web access started to become popular (they later switched to something better when commercial filters became available), and these early filters did block all attempts to lookup information on Middlesex county.

      So while I may have overstated the amount of elapsed time, I stand by my initial assertion that corporate America tried and gave up on keyword filters a long time ago. Our government should (but obviously doesn't) know better.

  21. my question is... by ambienceman · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Why does America have so much control over the 'net these days? It's not a research experiment anymore. It is a way of life. Gotta let it grow even if it's not in all the best interests...

    1. Re:my question is... by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why does America have so much control over the 'net these days? It's not a research experiment anymore. It is a way of life.

      That's exactly why america wants to control the internet. Control the information, and you control the people. Throw a little "won't somebody please think of the children" in there to shut up the damn civil rights hippies, and the status quo is so much easier to maintain.

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    2. Re:my question is... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      Why does America have so much control over the 'net these days? It's not a research experiment anymore. It is a way of life. Gotta let it grow even if it's not in all the best interests...

      Can't agree with you. Anyone can set up whatever networks they want and make them routable onto the Internet without too much crap coming from the US government. I'm guessing that ICANN/IANA is probably more US-oriented, but I'm dubious as to how many problems that's caused.

      IP allocation is clearly US-biased, but that's a legacy problem, and folks that don't like it should be moving to IPv6, which makes life better for everyone involved.

      A lot of protocols use English as commands, and RFCs are written in English. I think that's just because English is the most common language of techies than because of any deliberate influence.

  22. Not from the US, eh? by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1, Insightful

    To get this sort of lashup requires the unique combination of prudery, stupidity, and incompetence that you only get at the Federal level.

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  23. Incompetent brainwashing? by Zareste · · Score: 5, Funny

    Christ, you know the world is doomed when your government deploys Nazi-based information control and can't even do THAT right.

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  24. Majority Rule... by the_mad_poster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The IBB has justified a filtered Internet connection by arguing that it's inappropriate for U.S. funds to help residents of China and Iran--both of which receive dismal ratings from human rights group Freedom House--view pornography.

    In the abstract, the argument is a reasonable one. If the IBB's service had blocked only hard-core pornographic Web sites, few people would object.

    In other words, censorship is a perfectly acceptable thing to do when the majority doesn't complain about it? What kind of fucked up, idiotic logic is that?

    Whether the majority cares or not is irrelevant, it's not a reasonable argument because censorship is censorship. I'm sure someone will try to spin it that "oh, well, it's the government censoring ANOTHER country", but that's just bullshit too. If you can't extend the beliefs of this country to non-citizens, there's no particularly compelling reason to believe they should apply to us, either.

    Why is it that every time I turn around these days, some sort of idiotic bullshit like this is coming out of the government? Who the fuck let them off their leash anyway?

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    1. Re:Majority Rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even Orwell's Oceania (from 1984) permitted pornography. Government-produced porn, in fact.

    2. Re:Majority Rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      censorship is a perfectly acceptable thing to do when the majority doesn't complain about it?

      Last I looked we live in a sorta democracy. You know majority rule...

      Think about this though. It is the goverments machine. They can do what they like to it. For example if you were to try to surf to kazaa.com from my machine you would find it blocked. Why? My bandwidth. *MY* rules.

      Also if those people feel their rights are being repressed by using OUR machines. They can either sue for it (good luck). Or stop using the machines.

      More than likely some 'leet' dude out there figured out he could use the machine as a 'anonymizer' to surf porn. The goverment is not in the busness of serving up juicy teen porn. It should never be. It should be in the busness of serving the people who ELECT it.

      That this is going on at all to me is a unnerving waste of tax payers money. I would be willing to bet there is no measurment of success in this program.

      Also while it sounds good that 'bullshit' thing you are calling is TRUE. As the first words in the constitution read 'We the people of the United States'. It does not read 'We the people of the world'. Want it changed? Go get an amendment. I am sure you can get a good chunk of people to help you.

      Also how about this? How about those boxes be turned off? This solves the problem nicely. There is NO reason we have to provide this service. The servers were meant to get around another countries soverinty. Nice.

    3. Re:Majority Rule... by dustmite · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It also turns the "US as example of freedom to the rest of the world" concept on it's head. I mean, what, you're going to teach other countries about freedom of speech via acts of censorship? Yeah, a real shining beacon of freedom of speech there. Way to be a role model to the rest of the world.

    4. Re:Majority Rule... by the_mad_poster · · Score: 4, Informative

      And, here's the other thing that drives me nuts. All you nutters that think this sort of behavior is perfectly normal and acceptable. You... are... fucking.... insane. WAKE UP.

      First of all, if human rights aren't universal, we don't deserve them any more than anybody else does, and our government has no need to feel obligated to keep those inconvenient "rights" that are such an impediment to their power plays and growth. Removing a right from a single person is like taking a chisel and putting a crack in the dam. The instant it's there, it's only a matter of time before the whole thing is worn away from that foothold and the water comes crashing through. The longer you ignore it, or try to play it off as insignificant, the harder it becomes to patch it back up. Let it go long enough, and only a mssive, coordinated, immediate response will avert disaster.

      Second of all, YOUR bandwidth is YOUR private "property", as it were and is not subject to the same rules as the government. That has NOTHING to do with anything related to this discussion, and if you've taken at least a basic Civics class and think about it for a minute or two, you'll realize why.

      Thirdly, democracy has nothing to do with censorship and, in fact, part of the reason the government is there is supposedly to protect the minority from majority abuse. Censorship is censorship, and the government has no place practicing it without an extremely compelling reason to do so. Yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre can be censored (and even that's debateable due to the "crack in the dam" thing again) because it presents a legitimate public safety hazard. Last I knew, nobody ever died jerking off to porn unless they had a fucking heart attack or something.

      Finally, not only is it irrelevant to this discussion what YOU think is a waste of tax dollars, it's also irrelevant how success is measured, if at all. These are completely different issues, and are only superficially related to the topic of censorship.

      And, I might add: I agree, if the government cannot be trusted to run these systems without sticking their nose into moralistic bullshit like what the Chinese should and shouldn't watch, they shouldn't be running the fucking servers.

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    5. Re:Majority Rule... by jaywood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is the goverments machine. They can do what they like to it.

      um, that makes it my machine. (Not exclusively, but...) My tax dollars, "government of, by, and for the people", etc.

      Not to mention the irony of combatting censorship by *providing censored internet access*.

    6. Re:Majority Rule... by ratamacue · · Score: 1
      Why is it that every time I turn around these days, some sort of idiotic bullshit like this is coming out of the government?

      Simple: because it benefits the powerful elite. Any expansion of government, success or failure, can only benefit government. More often than not, government agencies which fail outright are *rewarded* with more revenue.

  25. Fear the church! by Blaubart · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You all seem to have missed the point of why this filter was put into place.

    The US government is trying to help the people of China bypass the censorship that their country has put into place. Why? Simple, to defend the human rights of the people of China. Quite obviously, the US Government has no fear of any possible backlash from the Chinese government in doing this.

    However, the squeals from the many church organizations that would be offended by the US Government giving unrestricted access to p0rn and gay rights websites would be unbearable!

    Fear the church! Fear it more than you fear the largest communist country in the world!

    1. Re:Fear the church! by flamelord · · Score: 0

      what about the church lady? She seems so harmless. Fear her or don't?

    2. Re:Fear the church! by radja · · Score: 1

      steal her crutches

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  26. That's right David by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 4, Funny

    One the banned list is the word "kitt". pr0n surfers will think this refers to sites like Persian Kitty, but those of us in the know realize that this is all a plot by Knight Industries to prevent the Iranians from stealing plans for the Knight Industries Two Thousand.

    John.

    1. Re:That's right David by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think we both know why "kitt" is on the list. That's right, we're talking about Knight Rider.

    2. Re:That's right David by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Persian Kitty hasn't been updated for years anyway.

  27. Well... by h00dLuM · · Score: 3, Funny

    At least poor Mr. Powell will be ok.

  28. keyword blocking is stupid without context by dj42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Until filters can understand context, keyword filters will always be stupid. Ass.

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  29. Accidental? by taernim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Among some of the sites this U.S. agency accidentally blocks ... several gay rights websites.

    The submitter obviously is not familiar with the Bush Administration's stance towards anyone who is not hetereosexual. Anything that happens towards us these days that is negative, do not believe for a moment it was just an "accident".

    If you're not convinced, check out The Human Rights Campaign website.

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    1. Re:Accidental? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all, it clearly states in the article that it was actually the Anonymizer.com people who came up with the blocklist. If, however, you still believe that this is some sort of neocon plot, why did they block the keyword Bush?

    2. Re:Accidental? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm sure that Bushie himself approved this list. "Yee-haw! That'll fix them good-fer-nuthin' un-natural gays!"

      Also, be careful; he's trying to get tin foil banned in the US.

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    3. Re:Accidental? by Mr.+Arbusto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Social conspiracy is silly.

      This just a case of stupid filtering gone wrong because keywords aren't good for filtering. Keywords are stupid because things that aren't PORNographic GAY PICs with homoSEXual and biSEXual same-SEX COUPLES will be filtered because they are "naughty" words that a lot of PORN sites use to get peoples attention. The same filter would apply to a church fighting GAY and LESBIAN same-SEX COUPLE from getting married. It isn't a personal call by George BUSH or DICK Chenny to put the GAY person down.

      Remove the tinfoil hat, and then view the world with a touch of cynicism. It will lengthen your life span.

    4. Re:Accidental? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make it sound like Bush himself went over there and signed off on this. Don't you think the leader of the free world has more important things to do?

    5. Re:Accidental? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you are trolling but:

      A keyword here would be CONSENT

    6. Re:Accidental? by joebolte · · Score: 1

      Anything that happens towards us these days that is negative, do not believe for a moment it was just an "accident".

      Right, so just because we have a president who is not a supporter of gay rights (which I support,) we should no longer believe that bad things can accidentally happen to gay people?

      Listen to yourself

      No amount of reading at any website is going to convince me that homosexuals are somehow unique in that every misfortune that befalls them is an example of malice.

    7. Re:Accidental? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      trailing a lot of flame bait today, aren't we? must be trying to catch some bigger fish that can trace your IP.

    8. Re:Accidental? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, be careful; he's trying to get tin foil banned in the US.

      hahahahahahhaa, that's awesome. seriously.

      +5 funny. :) too bad i haven't had mod points for years.

    9. Re:Accidental? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, more important things, like Bush wanting to amend the constitution to ban gay marriages..?

    10. Re:Accidental? by lwsimon · · Score: 1

      I am very much "anti-gay-rights". I don't think marriage should be debased into something so liberal. I don't think gays should have any special laws, society has shown that it is tolerant.

      Now, by the same token, you are an ignorant bigot. What two men or women do in their own home is their business. Just because i don't agree with it doesn't (and shouldn't) have any bearing on what they ARE doing. I don't want to have to watch them have sex in a park though. Child molestation, beastiality - those are both things that by definition are done without the consent of the other party. These are wrong, both morally and legally. There isn't even a comparison.

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    11. Re:Accidental? by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      trailing a lot of flame bait today, aren't we? must be trying to catch some bigger fish that can trace your IP.

      Yeah, please try. I'm sure script kiddies like yourself have nothing better to do than portscan me. Do I really give a shit if you or anyone else knows my IP address?? There are no bigger fish. Do tell; just what is an angry fag going to do with my IP address? Hmmmm???

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    12. Re:Accidental? by Shai-kun · · Score: 1

      It's disgusting and it's wrong.
      Your opinion? That depends on your definition of 'is'.

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    13. Re:Accidental? by Rick+and+Roll · · Score: 1

      Well said. And for any gays that may be reading this, all is not completely lost. Check out Homosexuals Anonymous.

    14. Re:Accidental? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, if you piss them off enough, maybe they'll subscribe you to some of those 'alternative' email lists that you feel so strongly about. You've seen what happened to Ralsky the spammer, haven't you?

    15. Re:Accidental? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not aware of any gay people who're demanding "special rights", merely equal rights to those of the heterosexual population. At the moment, homosexuals can be fired from their job purely for being homosexual - you can argue that this should not ever be mentioned at work; what if someone asks you if you have a girlfriend? Should you lie? If heterosexuals are quite happy talking about their girlfriends, boyfriends, wives and husbands, should homosexuals be forbidden from such speech?

      Two people who love each other can be forbidden from taking advantage of the same benefits that two others have available, purely because of their sexual orientation. One argument is that homosexuals cannot have children together, or that they should not be able to adopt; that's fair enough, but there are plenty of benefits of marriage that still extend to married heterosexuals who do not have children.

      Obviously you're entitled to your opinion (and I'm very glad you're not saying "it damages the family!") but I think that homosexuals are still being treated unfairly.

    16. Re:Accidental? by Cerv · · Score: 1

      [George W Bush] is not a supporter of gay rights (which I support,)
      So, do you support gay rights or do you support Bush's non-support of gay rights?

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    17. Re:Accidental? by lwsimon · · Score: 1

      It doesn't "damage the family", becuase as a rule, gays adn lesbians do not HAVE families. Yes, they can adopt, which I am all for. My way of thinking is this: If the gay/lesbian couple are upstanding, decent citizens, the child is better off in thier care than in the state's. This saves the states money, provides a better life for the child, and pretty much is a good thing all around. The only catch is that i think there shoudl NEVER be a situation where a homosexual couple are given custody of a child over a traditional family with comparable standing. A child needs both a mother and a father in their life. Two mother and two fathers are able to rear a child, but that child will struggle more in their adolescence. Traditional families balance well as a rule, and are superior in terms of their ability to raise a healthy child.

      Also, i don't think it is acceptable for a heterosexual to discuss sexual relations in the workplace PERIOD. From personal experience, gays/lesbians seem to overcompensate with the "free speech". I see nothing wrong with a man talking about his boyfriend, but there is a line that is simply not to be crossed. Homosexuality is NOT the norm, and i hope it never is. I don't want to hear about the escapades you had last nigth at the bar, no matter what your "orientation".

      And on that topic, i personally do not believe that a person is born gay. There is no biological support for such a claim, there is no "gay gene". Beyond that, the supposed gay animals we hear about are simply ludicrous. Animals do not derive pleasure from the sexual act, it is purely a biological function. Humans are the only animals on this planet that have sex not only outside the female's period of fertility, but on a regular basis even without the possibility of a child being conceived. Being gay is a choice - one i would never make, but one that is none of my business. I have nothing against gays, and in fact know quite a few. Everyone needs to make decisions in their life, and being gay is one of them. If you want to, go ahead, but don't expect me to give your partner health benefits, or to recognize you as "married".

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  30. This just another by DarrylKegger · · Score: 2, Funny

    example of the underhanded nature of governments. We as cybercitizens should be be psszt ngah naghh @!!6 fghar';!) nraaghg!!!! pleased with the way things are going. Go back to your cubicles, the contents of this web-site is nothing but propaganda paid for by none other than the evil Kim Il Jong

  31. Who'd have thought? by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Instead of spending time helping others route around censorship, the U.S. government hires people to censor the web. These people then accidentally censor U.S. government sites.

    At this point, the intelligent response would be to say, "Oh, we forgot that idiotic ideas tend to attract idiots. Our bad. We're going to go back to sowing free thought around the world now."

    However, the government response will be, "We'll just hire some more people for even more money to implement a better filter. In fact, we've already outsourced a lot of the development work to the same companies that set up China's filter. They've got lots of experience."

    Porn, apparently, is a greater threat to the U.S. than a nuclear-armed ex-Communist dictatorship. Sounds like one of John Ashcroft's buddies. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go put the burqa back on Blind Justice. We tried to stone her to death, but they kept bouncing off and our arms got tired.

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  32. Censorship is bad m'kay by syousef · · Score: 2, Informative

    Come on. This is a pile of Orwellian BS. What's next. GoodNet (tm) instead of Goodspeak?

    As the amount of information and its accessibility increases the whole idea that you can selectively censor the right things 100% accurately all the time becomes comical. You simply can't have a proliferation of easily accessible information and censor the "bad information" since what is bad is subjective anyway.

    If you must place controls, its more practical to do so on the tools and materials required to perpetrate the "evil" you wish to combat.

    I for once like the access to information that the internet gives me. Its empowering and I've used this information practically not just for entertainment or frivolous uses.

    When doctors have given me and the ones I love incomplete or inaccurate information as they have on a couple of occassions I've been able to get better information and present it back to them to act on it. Its sped up a couple of key diagnoses for my girlfriend and I. In both cases not working out what the problem was as soon as we did would have resulted in each of us spending significant amounts of time out of work (not to mention feeling miserable). We'd each for different medical reasons have been permanently excluded from driving, and would almost certainly have had our lives shortened. Had the information been buried in some public library without any access to anecdotal evidence (usenet) life today for me would be very much worse.

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    1. Re:Censorship is bad m'kay by SpooterMM · · Score: 1
      "Goodspeak"

      Perhaps you meant Newspeak?

  33. Culture Bombing... by Tackhead · · Score: 1, Flamebait
    > Given that the mood in Washington is fairly anti-gay rights, what makes you think that one was 'accidental'

    Given that the purpose of the exercise is to undermine China and Iran, two countries whose policies on homosexuality make Ashcroft look like J. Edgar Hoover in comparison, it's still an accident.

    We're presently engaged in a global war against a culture that prohibits the viewing of women's faces... a culture that - when when its adherents come to Australia, they see our women as whores fit only to be "fucked Leb style", and when they come to France and Norway, they "take turns" on 14-year-olds, then I say desensitizing these animals to sexual stimuli through regular exposure to pr0n is a feature, not a bug.

    If we're serious about winning the war on terror, we shouldn't just be letting this stuff through the filter, we should be phoning up Larry Flynt, Bob Guccione, and Hugh Hefner and placing enough orders to load up a fleet of C-130s with copies of every wankmag that gets remaindered and bomb the fuckers into the sexual revolution. Fuck Islam. Bring on the w33ners and b00bies.

    1. Re:Culture Bombing... by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 5, Informative
      Check your culture there for a minute. While Iran's view of gay rights is about at that point (like, kill on sight...), CHINA is another story entirely.

      While I was in Thailand recently, the current attitudes in most of asia towards gay rights were all over the news... China is a mostly Buddhist country, and except for the noisy protests of the 5% Christian and/or Muslim members, it's going over without much of a fight. They're currently thinking of legalizing same-sex marriage (albeit slower than southeast asia, where it's very likely that we will see laws being passed shortly).

    2. Re:Culture Bombing... by wew · · Score: 3, Informative
      Whoa, I think you're spectacularly misinformed here...

      Chinese attitudes to homosexuality are very conservative. I've met mainland Chinese who assert that there aren't any homosexuals in China. Until not so long ago (at least the 70s), homosexuality was treated as a psychiatric disorder, and homosexuals could wind up in a psychiatric hospital.

      As for China being a mostly Buddhist country... well, China is a mostly Confucian country, with a strong familial ethos and a traditionally prudish attitude to sexuality. That's not a culture which homosexuality fits into very easily...

      That said, I have had a gay Chinese man (discretely) proposition me in Shanghai...

    3. Re:Culture Bombing... by tehanu · · Score: 5, Interesting

      China's attitudes to homosexuality are interesting. For much of China's history, homosexuality was treated fairly leniently. One vast difference with the West is that homosexuality has *never* been considered a religious sin. The major forces of Confucianism, Taoism, Legalism and Buddhism have never said in any terms that homosexuality was wrong. Note, this is *male* homosexuality as the vast majority of Chinese history and literature focuses on guys. This passed onto Japan as well, well I think in the 17th century, a Japanese samurai wrote a book basically saying "It must be good. The Chinese do it!" The attitude was more to do with "As long as you marry a good girl and get children to carry on the family line, who cares what you do?" Also male homosexuality was strongly connected with the whole brotherhood concept so beloved of Chinese. Male/male friendships were considered the ultimate in human relationships. There is a saying that to lose a wife is like losing a piece of clothing. To lose a brother/friend is like losing a limb. For example in one Chinese province there were gay "marriages" where the "older brother" is obliged to protect the younger one and later on, help him find a wife. Buddhist temples in China and Japan also were bastions of homosexual relations and Japanese samurai had a common sort of homosexual "mentor and student" relationship. Starting during the Manchurian rule (who were foreigners) and then continuing into modern times, however, homosexuality was treated far less leniently. However many of the earlier emperors had gay lovers, and the stories are the source of famous euphamisms like the "Passion of the Cut Sleeve" and "The half-eaten peach". What disgust existed for homosexuality was for men who dressed like women. That was giving up one's manhood and honour. I suppose one could say that most homosexual men in China/Japan were actually bisexual.

      A big change occurred with the influx of Western culture into China, esp. science. A lot of science at the time said homosexuality was a mental illness and many modern Chinese,eager to grasp Western ideas took this to heart. Homosexuality as well as old Confucian ideas became part of the "old" way and many young revolutionaries were eager to get rid of the "old ways". There's this story about this young revolutionary staring at disgust at his grandfather who came back drunk from a night of debauchery with young male opera stars. Actually the Communists were pretty much against overt romanticism even between males and females as well and even tender parental feelings for your children. You were supposed to be a worker for the state. Women who gave their children to their parents to raise so they could devote themselves to their work were praised (where do you think 1984 got these ideas from?). I'm not sure what the bias against homosexuality is like nowadays. My parents are very conservative religious Chinese who are not very up with PC (eg. they are openly hostile to people with dark skin) and grew up in Communist China. They don't act like they know anything about homosexuality, but then again, they don't act as if they know anything about sex at all. But when I mention something about two teachers possibly being in a homosexual relationship, they just titter rather than act disgusted. They seem to treat it more as something funny than repulsive. I guess I could test it by introducing them to a gay guy...Other people have mentioned that many modern Chinese refuse to admit homosexuals exist at all. It could be because we're from the south (and according to very ancient stereotypes which I'm not sure of the truth of), the south was always supposed to be more liberal about male/male relations (there's extremely old jokes about how "man" and "south" sound a lot alike). And my impression is the far south (Guangdong in my case) was always less influenced by Communist doctrine than further north. Anyway, I see the Communist attitude against homosexuality more similar to their attitude against religion (they banned all

    4. Re:Culture Bombing... by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Errr... actually, that's really interesting... I had a chinese girlfriend recently, heh, and the interesting thing is that, while it's not talked about and theres the whole "it'll bring shame on the family if anyone knew" thing... it still happens. The culture is very averse to talking about sex, but whatever happens behind closed doors... You are right, though, it's not *quite* as rosy as I first stated.

    5. Re:Culture Bombing... by mr100percent · · Score: 1

      No faces? No, you have it all wrong. In Islam, women are supposed to cover their hair and dress conservatively, that's it. Not even all of them do that anyway. Have you ever even been to the middle east or Pakistan or Indonesia?

      The Taliban in some places may have forced people to wear burqas, but that was going overboard, according to about every scholar out there. Don't confuse the Taliban with the rest of the world. Iran HATED the Taliban, they fought on more than one occasion.

      Countries like Iran don't like the porn coming into the country already, all this garbage from Playboy to Britney Spears is infecting their society. Dunno if you were serious about the porn airdropping, but that would only piss them off. Getting them angry is not a good idea.

    6. Re:Culture Bombing... by minus_273 · · Score: 1

      if you know any chinese, you would know that it is primarily athiest

      --
      The war with islam is a war on the beast
      The war on terror is a war for peace
    7. Re:Culture Bombing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...and Japanese samurai had a common sort of homosexual "mentor and student" relationship. "

      This sheds new light into Star Wars; "Mmm. Always two there are. No more. No less. A master, and an apprentice.". The Jedis seem to have the same practice.

    8. Re:Culture Bombing... by eyeye · · Score: 1

      omg you have cracked it, no pure white christian people ever rape. Its all these muslim foreigners!

      Which culture prohibits viewing womens faces anyway, you never said. Saudi? The others dont

      --
      Bush and Blair ate my sig!
    9. Re:Culture Bombing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In some asian countries (Thai? can't remember) transvestites entertain and dance at weddings... (Not dragshows :)) I saw it on Discovery so it has to be true.. :) Also, native americans had people who were 'in touch with both the male and female spirits', and they were seen as important because they could tap into both. How's that for trivia, eh?

    10. Re:Culture Bombing... by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > no pure white christian people ever rape. Its all these muslim foreigners!

      The point of citing the Muslim rapes is to point out that while Western culture has its share of animals, our animals do not typically use rape as a political statement. That phenomenon is unique to the Muslim ghettoes, and it is a direct outgrowth of Muslim attitudes towards women. Face? Hair? Fair enough, but what does it matter - this is a culture that makes the Victorians look like libertines.

      As for airdropping the pr0n - contaminating their culture is the point. If pr0n is half as big a threat to a culture as even our (Christian fundie) leaders believe it is to theirs, does it not stand to reason that pr0n would be even more of a threat to Arab culture, which places an even higher emphasis on sexual repression)?

      Finally, (for the liberals in the crowd who care about such things) wouldn't dropping b00bie magazines, CDs, DVDs, and our other assorted memetic garbage on people be a lot less likely to kill them than, say... dropping bombs?

    11. Re:Culture Bombing... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      The culture is very averse to talking about sex, but whatever happens behind closed doors...

      Is this the same country that invented porn?

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    12. Re:Culture Bombing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the difference is between the official state position (conservative, gays don't exist) versus culture and individuals (potentially more tolerant).

  34. No anonymity here! by Memophage · · Score: 5, Informative

    Err... I'm glad that everyone has the best interests of the populations of Iran at heart, but I think there's some confusion about how anonymizer.com actually works.

    Anonymizer.com is intended to keep your identity a secret only from the target web server. From the original article: "they can use Anonymizer.com as a kind of jumping-off point, also called a proxy server".

    This is correct. The client sends a request for a web page (say google.com) from anonymizer.com (or sedayama.com, or barandaz.com, or whichever). The anonymizer goes out, fetches the page for them, and then feeds it back. In this way, google.com has no idea who they are.

    Since anonymizer.com's server is in California, all data must be sent between the server in California and the client in Iran, through the country's firewall and whatever sniffer programs they have running.

    In no way whatsoever does this process prevent the Iranian government from snooping the connection between the browser and anonymizer.com to see whatever the heck the client is looking at. In fact, it makes the censor's life easier. All they have to do now is scan for all data to or from anonymizer.com, sedayama, etc. Then they can either parse the data and see what banned sites the client is viewing, or just assume that they're up to no good, raid their house, confiscate their computer and look at the browser cache.

    According to the Opennet report, the only real "anonymizing" functionality of this site comes from converting URLs from text to hexadecimal, and the obfuscation from the anonymizer site having to change URLs and IP addresses whenever the Iran government blocks one.

    I think the IBB is doing these people a grave disservice by advertising that sites can be viewed anonymously, when in fact they can't. Even if the connection was completely encrypted with SSL, the government censors could determine that a connection was made to an anonymizer site, and that the client is worthy of further investigation.

    Again, from the OpenNet report: "Iranian users may not be aware that their use of the service may identify them to Iranian government authorities as citizens wishing to view forbidden content, or as supportive of the ideas found within that content."

    Enough said. The people who run the IBB Anonymizer project should realize it was a well-meaning but flawed concept from the start, and it can actually be counter-productive by exposing Iranians who trust the claims of anonymity.

    Those claims should be retracted and a big warning banner posted on the site(s), or the project should be killed outright.

    1. Re:No anonymity here! by ConfusedVorlon · · Score: 1

      What surprised me is that China & Iran haven't simply blocked access to anonymiser.

      Either they're not serious about their censorship - or as MemoPhage suggests - they just let it run as a honeypot.

    2. Re:No anonymity here! by JerryP · · Score: 1

      Without looking on what anonymizer.com actually offers, your scenario can be taken care of with a setup like this:

      local browser -> local proxy -> https -> anonymizer -> target website

      Assuming that https is not trivial to break, the only information someone sniffing your network traffic can get is that you are using the anonymizer.

  35. Out of curiousity... by Guppy06 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does the US government also attempt to help circumvent other countries' internet censorship laws, such as, say, those of certain Western European countries? Or is it just the countries we're not quite married to (yet)?

  36. censorship? prudery? by jsahol · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Agreed that this is a poor implementation of an internet filter, but... Calling this censorship is not quite right: the service opens up big chunks of the internet for people who never had it before, and that is a fact. It's like a complaining that someone didn't hand over the keys to their car instead of just giving you a ride. Calling it prudery is also unfair. There are several arguments for a (properly done) filter, some of them mentioned in the article. 1. US Taxpayers don't want to fund porn surfing. 2. The propaganda value within the restrictive countries is reduced somewhat if the authorities there can claim that it's just used to surf porn. 3. Likewise, people within that country that could be forces for democratic reform may be turned away by the idea that it's used for "unwholesome" purposes.

    1. Re:censorship? prudery? by dj42 · · Score: 1

      Just because people CAN access something at work doesn't mean they will. Censorship does more harm than good.

      --
      We are one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. Back to you with the weather, Bob!
    2. Re:censorship? prudery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are completely missing the second point of the advisory, which is the insecurity of the system. Iranians who use this thing stick out like a sore thumb. "HEY LOOK AT ME, I'm a DISSIDENT." COME GET ME

    3. Re:censorship? prudery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a site claiming that it helps chinese people access blocked US sites that are blocked by the chinese government, while at the same time blocking them from viewing US sites, including US government sites.

      You may argue that the chinese should be censored, but then let their own government do it. There's no reason that the US government should censor what the chinese can view, and certainly not in the name of freedom of speech.

  37. OpenNet, Open Source by ozbird · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nice to see that the browser screenshots are Mozilla with the Modern theme instead of Internet Explorer.

  38. What about porn? by NoSuchGuy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Porn is free speech too even in China and Iran!

    Think about it!

    --
    Grundgesetz * 23. Mai 1949 - 30. November 2007 - http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/
  39. My site? by Sardak · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm currently setting up a website that has the word 'blown' in the name (no, it has nothing to do with pr0n, I'd just prefer not to have my server start on fire). Do I have anything to worry about? I noticed today that my site no longer shows up in Google searches.

    1. Re:My site? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but you set it as your homepage so everyone will click on it anyways

  40. Hmmm by DaveLatham · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, I may be missing something obvious here, but can someone tell me why China and Iran don't just block anonymizer.com?

    1. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      read the report, they explain the entire process....

    2. Re:Hmmm by DaveLatham · · Score: 5, Informative

      Aha, thanks.

      Here's the important info for anyone else who may be curious:

      For those who are found to be within Iran, the service is freely accessible through several domain names. As soon as the Iranian authorities block one of the service's domain names or IP addresses, new locations are announced to Iranians through Radio Farda and VOA Persian Radio broadcasts. (Some of these domain names are filtered by some ISPs in Iran and thus inaccessible to users, however even the filtered domains can be accessed by directly entering the IP address.)

  41. Sexual Harassment and Porn by Brian_Ellenberger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From: http://www.eeoc.gov/types/sexual_harassment.html

    "Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitute sexual harassment when this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual's employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual's work performance, or creates an intimidating, hostile, or offensive work environment."

    The "offensive work environment" has been defined to include porn. See this on Harris v. Forklift Sys., Inc http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/harris.html

    "Even though CP had not been offended by her co- workers' bawdy remarks, she believed that the posting of pornographic pictures demeaned women. She complained to her supervisor who refused to ask the employees to remove the pictures. Shortly thereafter, more pictures were posted. After again receiving no response to her complaint, CP filed a charge.

    Based on these facts, an investigator should find that the conduct was unwelcome, i.e., that CP subjectively considered the pornographic pictures to be abusive. Her willingness to engage in sexual banter is not material to assessing her perception of the pictures."


    IANAL, but at this point it is a completely reasonable argument that employers should install anti-porn software by default and that failure to do so constitutes neglect. And I'm sorry, but these issues about sexual harrassment were brought up far before Bush. And mostly by left-wing feminists (see Tailgate, Clarance Thomas, et al). If the government didn't install these filters and someone was viewing porn and it offended someone else then there would be a big scandal about it and Bush would be portrayed as the anti-feminist woman hating porno president.

    And the poster forgot the obvious difference here between Iran and the US is that you can go home to your own computer if you want porn! You do not have the right to view porn on government (ie tax payer owned) computers. Heck, technically you don't have the right to view breastcancer.com unless it pertains to your work! So if you don't like the government's filters, tough. If you need the site to do your work email the admin. Otherwise, don't view the site on the taxpayer's dime.

    Brian Ellenberger

    1. Re:Sexual Harassment and Porn by DarkVein · · Score: 1

      By your reasoning, if the government didn't install these filters on every backbone server on the internet and someone was viewing porn and it offended someone else then there would be a big scandal about it and bush would be portrayed as the anti-feminist woman hating porno president.

      As a side issue, he has already portrayed himself as the anti-feminist woman hating president, sans porno.

      And, you're right, Iranian citizens can not go home to their own computers to watch porn. And, I, a US citizen and therefor a member of the US government, heartily give you and everyone the right to view porn on government computers. If someone's a pornoholic, neglecting the duties of your employment is ample reason for dismissal. I'd support that decision provided it was legitimate and of sufficient magnitude. Requiring employees to email the administer any time the need to access a blocked site is a serious impediment to efficient working, and I would deerly like to see any executive supporting that decision to be fired for gross incompetence--especially in government work.

      --

      I'm as mimsy as the next borogove but your mome raths are completely outgrabe.

    2. Re:Sexual Harassment and Porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They don't install anti-pr0n software. They install the default filters that ship with the filtering product and then require "justification" to unblock.

      I work for a local govt agency which uses the Websense filtering software. It throws up a warning when you try to access a domain which is considered non-work-related, reminding you of department policy regarding internet use but allowing you to click through, except for pr0n, etc., which is blocked absolutely - no clicking through.

      So far, so good. I cannot, however, get to http://www.diveintomark.com. A polite email notifying our Websense admin that the filter appeared to have miscategorized the domain and requesting that the domain be unblocked resulted in an email to our network folks indicating that I was seeking access to a "hacker" site and soliciting feedback on whether access should be granted.

      Network folks indicated that the site did not appear to be work related and that I should submit a more comprehensive justification for why I should be granted access. I responded that I build websites for this organization, that Mark Pilgrim is a well known and well respected accessibility expert (complete with for links to bio pages and Amazon listings), that even a cursory glance at his site reveals it to be a serious, professional resource for anyone building websites and that Websense probably was keying on the keyword "hack", which Mark does use to describe css workarounds for browser bugs.

      No response. This is an insane waste of three well-paid individual's time and has absolutely nothing to do with sexual harrasment or pr0n.

    3. Re:Sexual Harassment and Porn by bgeer · · Score: 1
      And the poster forgot the obvious difference here between Iran and the US is that you can go home to your own computer if you want porn!

      Ironically, many Iranians actually have more porn access than Americans do. TV in Iran is heavily censored, and it's goddamn boring too. As a result every Irani who can afford one has a satellite dish, and although the gov't at one point managed to block the politically sensitive Farsi-language NITV from LA (apparently from Cuba), they have no hope of shutting down the many many porno channels that share TELSTAR 12 with it. As a result of this odd coincidence, there are hardcore and even gay porn feeds available in many Irani households.

    4. Re:Sexual Harassment and Porn by danila · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but at this point it is a completely reasonable argument that employers should install anti-porn software by default and that failure to do so constitutes neglect.
      At this point any company should think twice about hiring a woman to do man's job.

      Porn at work is a perk that is used as a part of compensation package. Allowing women to mess with this means allowing them to reduce company's productivity.

      --
      Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
    5. Re:Sexual Harassment and Porn by Sinterklaas · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but at this point it is a completely reasonable argument that employers should install anti-porn software by default and that failure to do so constitutes neglect.

      I'm sorry, but that is a load of bull. You can do the same thing that you do when someone drops their pants in the middle of your office or snorts some coke: you warn/suspend/fire them. If you create a nice policy about this which you mail to every employee and which you consistently honor (no exceptions for the son's boss), then you should have nothing to worry about.

      Nobody is suggesting that you chain employees to their chairs or glue their nose closed to prevent them from crossing the line, so why should you have to 'break' your internet by installing faulty filtering software (and they are all broken)?

    6. Re:Sexual Harassment and Porn by dswan69 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Real feminists don't have a problem with porn.

      Sexist nuts like Andrea Dworkin do.

    7. Re:Sexual Harassment and Porn by Mekkis · · Score: 1

      Well, he may not be the "anti-feminist woman hating porno president", but he certainly doesn't have much love for them either, nor for the darkies or the fags.
      Let's see what happens when people are turned away from the polls THIS voting season for attempting the crime of voting while black, just like in North Florida, 2000 - only THIS time nationwide thanks to the Diebold Electronic Vote-Fraud Machines...
      But I'm getting off-topic. Bush isn't personally in charge of stopping harassment or discrimination claims. But he's in charge of appointing the person whose job it is. And what a guy he picked, too. Bush Jr. installed a joker who struck all language pertaining to sexual orientation from the Federal government's definitions of discrimination. You could get a pink slip tomorrow and under "Reasons for Termination", your boss could put "Fired because s/he's a faggot/dyke/sodomite/insert epithet here" in those exact words and there wouldn't be a goddamned legal thing you could do about it. Bush not only approved of the action, he applauded it.
      He may not be the "anti-feminist woman hating porno president", but I guess if he's not that it's OK for him to be the "fag-bashing negro-hating wog-bombing Constitution revisionist president". Never mind the GOP's and the Religious Right's positions on feminism anyhow...

      Bush/Cheney '04 - Our track record for wiping our asses with the Constitution stands firm.

  42. It gets better! by k98sven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article links to the word list.

    Blocking sites with "asian" in it must really help out those poor Chinese..

    1. Re:It gets better! by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

      Blocking sites with "asian" in it must really help out those poor Chinese..

      They also block the string "tv". There goes the whole ".tv" TLD.

  43. You'd need someone to train it ... by magefile · · Score: 1

    maybe it could come with a default corpus (body of knowledge)? Either way, I volunteer to do the training!

  44. What the hell happened? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It used to be that when people started talking
    about Net censorship it was 'over my dead body.'
    Now it is just a matter of finding out who
    should control these things and making them
    accountable for it? Fight this! It is
    important paradigm changed that is happening
    without people really being aware of it.

  45. Blocked word: "Anime"??? by initialE · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Wtf what kind of heathen barbarian monsters would block off anime from the chinese. It's inhumane!

    --
    Starbucks, Harbuckle of Breath.
    1. Re:Blocked word: "Anime"??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they probably figure that the chinese don't really want to see schoolgirls raped by tentacle monsters.

  46. Bypassing keyword filter? by RotJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could you still view blocked sites through the IBB service if you enter the IP address instead of the domain name?

    1. Re:Bypassing keyword filter? by RotJ · · Score: 1

      Never mind. Had I RTF opennetinitiative.net A, I would have know that yes indeed you can.

  47. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  48. Weird keywords by RotJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some of the keywords, like "anime", "chat", "tv" seem to be aimed at non-pornographic entertainment sites. They also block "proxy". Maybe they don't want people to use a proxy to bypass their proxy (if that's at all possible). I still don't get "my" and "you". I also don't get why they blocked "anime" but not "hentai".

  49. Re:"rights?" um... no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait, two men over 18 have sex, they are both adults and consent to the act. What the fuck is wrong? Now, a man has sex with a 12 year old, this is WRONG. A 12 year old is not an adult and cannot yet consent to the act of sex. Animals too, cannot defend themselves or even say "no". Dude, you're a christian fuck up that needs to look long and hard at the world you live in.

  50. I'm confused.. by Caedar · · Score: 1

    "you" is on the blocked words list?

    1. Re:I'm confused.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that would be, You are on the blocked words list.

      Man, what's happening to the English language . . . . .

  51. wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    actually, you can't. the protocols are open standards. it can easily be rebuilt in a matter of days.

  52. "poor" Mr. Powell? by scruffyMark · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's nobody's fault but his own he insists on pronouncing his first name like that. He could pronounce it like any sane person would, to rhyme with "pollen"...

    --

    What is the robbing of a bank, compared to the founding of a bank? -- Bertolt Brecht

    1. Re:"poor" Mr. Powell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He could pronounce it like any sane person would, to rhyme with "pollen"...

      Nobody I know or have ever met pronounces "Colin" to rhyme with "pollen". What fucked-up part of the world do you live in where people can't even handle bisyllabic names?

    2. Re:"poor" Mr. Powell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    3. Re:"poor" Mr. Powell? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      And Australia. And New Zealand. And anywhere where English is spoken, as opposed to the half-arsed offshoot language that is American English.

    4. Re:"poor" Mr. Powell? by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > Nobody I know or have ever met pronounces "Colin" to rhyme with "pollen".

      Just two comedians off the top of my head...
      Colin Quinn?
      Colin Mockery?

    5. Re:"poor" Mr. Powell? by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > anywhere where English is spoken, as opposed to the half-arsed offshoot language that is American English.

      Ummm.. Americans don't pronounce it like "colon" either, just one person who happens to be well known. You really are an ignorant twat.

      I would also point out that every English-speaking country, other than England of course, speaks an offshoot of English.

  53. Great idea by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 3, Interesting

    After all, keyword blacklisting worked for "hierbal v!aggra" and "peenes emlargermint" so it should work for terrorists and drug dealers as well... Seriously though, the fact that keyword blacklisting is totally useless should be obvious to anyone who ever watched a gangster movie. The question is which keywords do you blacklist? Should there be words like "bomb" or "heroine"? No, because gangsters don't use them. Does it mean we should blacklist "object" and "good shit"? No? So I ask you, which exactly keywords should we blacklist? Only then, when we have this question answered, we can discuss whether blacklisting or censorship is a good idea. Because I, for one, don't want Project Gutenberg be foolishly forced by some fucking illiterate imbeciles to remove the literature of Fyodor Dostoyevsky and Franz Kafka!

    --
    Sincerely,
    Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
    "Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
    1. Re:Great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      by "some fucking illiterate imbeciles" do you mean those who don't know the difference between [the drug] "heroin" and [a female hero] "heroine"?

  54. MOD THIS GUY UP. by Jennifer+E.+Elaan · · Score: 1

    Alright, I'm going to burn my own karma here, but why did *I* get modded +5 and this guy hasn't? He's right on the money!!! He said this far more eloquently than I ever could have hoped. MOD HIM UP!!!

  55. Re:No Homos by flamelord · · Score: 0

    In my numerous past experience with gays and dikes, I've found that most of them are very queer.

  56. Re:Newspeak by flamelord · · Score: 0
    This is an opportune time for me to plug my newspeak translator. It can be seriously amusing sometimes reading the world news with this. Really, as primitive of a program as it is, I think it's worth checking out:

    http://bl.freeshell.org

    Compile the source if you don't trust the bytecode.

  57. So what... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really, who cares what a person's sexual orientation is.

    I'm in my forties and it dawned on me a long time ago that gay people aren't fundamentally different than straight people. Its your uncomfortableness with the situation that's the problem, not the sexual orientation of who you're dealing with.

    I've heard all the nonsense about how gays destroy the "esprit de corp". What utter utter crap.

    Live and let live. And if the guy next to you is attracted to guys, what do you care?

    1. Re:So what... by ziggy_zero · · Score: 1

      I think Quentin Crisp put it best, "People are uncomfortable with homosexuals because they're uncomfortable with what homosexual men do to each other. And when you imagine someone else doing something, you automatically imagine yourself doing the same thing."

      I've met a few people who've been in the military and they've all worked with gay guys and said they were the best officers they had ever seen. They also said it was annoying because you couldn't say anything about it because of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

      --
      I belong to the ______ generation.
  58. I'm not convinced by sheldon · · Score: 1

    A couple weeks ago I was trying to find some information at work and I went to...

    http://www.w3.org

    Only to get the BIG RED BANNER OF GOODNESS telling me I was obviously mistaken for wanting to go there.

    Little did I realize that the W3C is a terrorist organization intend on spreading sex and disease amongst our children.

    Whatever the reason, it's actually gotten worse at work, not better.

  59. Stupid 'possesion is 9/10ths of the law' mentality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess you and the like just want to get away with anything you do as "long as it doesn't hurt anyone".

    Tell that to the police officer when you are raped, robbed, beaten, shot, fondled, etc and he says that since you don't believe in rules, then no rules apply to the person that committed a crime against you.

  60. censorship or social control? by dkalley · · Score: 3, Funny

    I recently read an article in the American Journal of Primatology with the following keywords. infant-licking, attractiveness of mothers with newborns, female relationships, and ring-tailed lemurs. The keywords would direct you to the paper; Intra-troop affiliative relationships of females with newborn infants in wild ring-tailed lemurs. Can you imagine the flags this would raise with monitoring software or your success with blocking? Out of context the keywords would paint you as an extreme pedophile or someone with obscure sexual attractions. A question to ask is whether this practice is merely censorship or another way to functionally define what is normal or deviant behavior within society? Homosexuality is taboo, so the word gay is taboo. Our historical relationship with the female body to sin is represented as well as other 'deviant' sexual behavior. On a lighter side, at least microsoft, georgebush, and arnold-schwarzenegger.com were blocked!

  61. A Modest Proposal by UnrepentantHarlequin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a simple solution for people who sue because they did something a toddler should be expected to be smart enough not to do and it bit them:

    They have admitted in open court that they are unable to take care of themselves or handle adult responsibilities. Therefore, they should be put in a home, and any money they collected from that lawsuit should be turned over to the home to pay for their lifetime care.

    This would not only solve the problem of frivolous lawsuits and the quest for deep pockets, but it would also help the employment situation by removing these people from the job market and creating jobs for people to take care of them. After all, someone who doesn't know that coffee is hot can't even be trusted to feed themself, or to eat anything that they might choke on, so there will be a need for caretakers to feed them their pureed food blend, help them go potty, and tend to them at all times.

  62. The heck he was by GoClick · · Score: 1

    Uhuh sure he was, using what protocol on what connection and what computer and why the hell did the middlesex county have any kind of digital profile in 1992 that was accessable by anything other than a BBS and what URL was being parsed by what software? If I were your father I'd slap you silly

  63. Have you actually READ the article? by UnrepentantHarlequin · · Score: 1

    A quote for the content challenged:

    But an independent report released Monday reveals that the U.S. government also censors what Chinese and Iranian citizens can see online. Technology used by the IBB, which puts out the Voice of America broadcasts, prevents them from visiting Web addresses that include a peculiar list of verboten keywords.

    The issue isn't that the government is controlling what its employees can do online, or whether they can surf objectionable sites like usembassy.gov -- it's that the US government is offering a way around the censorship imposed by the governments of China and Iran, but substituting its own censorship instead.

  64. wait until Jack Valenti hears... by protovirus · · Score: 1

    U.S. tax dollars are being used to promote and protect piracy!

  65. Re:A new department is needed -HAhaha..! by wheany · · Score: 1

    Never knew that geeks can have such a sense of humor. ---NOT!

    When you are flaming other people's lack of wit, you might want to avoid using "...NOT!"-jokes.

  66. Why is anonymizer still unblocked? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

    This seems strange. I fails to understand why, if a repressive government like Iran/China is blocking a ton of websites they disagree with, they would allow a US proxy site to go unblocked. Surely they could just block all access to anonymizer.com and the IP ranges used by its servers?

  67. Won't somebody think of the children?1?1? by arfuni · · Score: 1

    I demand that the internet remain safe for children looking for pictures of our valiant leader in his college days when they google image search "cheerleader bush!" Won't somebody think of the children?!?!?!11

  68. Slashdot == criminal skills? by kunudo · · Score: 1

    I was sitting by the computers at school, typed in slasdot.org, pushed enter. Big red screen popped up, saying "the website you were trying to access has been blocked because it contains information of related to: Criminal skills"... Maybe there was some story about Mitnick or something on the frontpage?

    1. Re:Slashdot == criminal skills? by UnrepentantHarlequin · · Score: 1

      Slashdot encourages thinking.

      In today's Amerika, thinking is a criminal skill.

  69. We can do without NIDA for Teens by dswan69 · · Score: 1

    It is almost an exercise in futility to try to find any actual facts on this government propaganda site. Useful for educating my children in recognising lies though.

    In fact we can do entirely without NIDA and their lies.

    > Do you ever forget things you did while using
    > alcohol or drugs?

    Do you ever forget things when you're sober?

  70. "Common Sense" can be a way to wish things away by ianscot · · Score: 1
    Everyone agrees at first. Jeez, seems like a botched job, just get someone who knows what she's doing to install the filter.

    But advocates of filters in libraries (and in your school) have been saying stuff like that for years. "C'mon, we can stop people from viewing explicit pRon in the library. All we have to do is install common-sense filtering." The librarians are radicals to oppose such a simple idea, and so on.

    The questions in this /. posting aren't going to vanish because of common sense. Maybe the breast cancer site gets blocked accidentally, maybe not. The huge question is, who gets to oversee which sites get blocked? And who looks over that person's shoulder? Especially if the companies selling the filters regard their blacklists or blacklisting techniques as proprietary, competitive-advantage information, it ain't easy to even figure out what's blocked and why.

    Isn't that situation inherently open to abuse? Do we want political appointees determining what "common sense" is? When they might, for example, have extremely strong views about abortion one way or another? How do we correct stuff that was censored inappropriately, accidentally or not?

    (I dunno... I guess when I heard Minnesota's chief sponsor of capital punishment legislation for the last five years invoking "common sense" as the way to address all the problems with the death penalty, I lurched toward cynicism about people trying to wave away complicated problems that way. The guy didn't seem to know that crime "rates" were adjusted for populations, and frankly didn't seem to even have heard all the usual objections to the D.P., but he thought "a committee" could resolve everything through common sense. The words sort of took on a different quality after that, for me.)

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  71. Duh... block images... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they want to block porn and save bandwidth, all they need do is not serve images.

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  72. My experience with Stupid Filters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Recently my employer started using one of those keyword filters. Basically it blocks any website with "sex", "porn", "girl", etc. in its URL. Frankly, it just makes it a pain to find things I need for work - largely because if I am doing a google search, the words I am searching for appear in the search url. For example, it will block the word "computation" because it has the word "puta" in the middle of it (I never would have figured THAT one out if I hadn't had a Mexican girlfriend a long time ago - I don't know exactly what it means, but I know its not something you call your mother). I can't visit any site with "girl" in its url, even if its something like "smartgirl" or "computergirl". So basically it just makes finding legitimate info a bit harder. Now, as far as blocking porn - well, I can GIS for (insert random pornstar name here) anytime I want. It's easy to work around the porn part of the block, if I wanted to - what I want to work around are its stupid side effects, which is much, much harder!!!

  73. Very different scenario by phorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The failure here was not in neglecting to install a monitoring/blocking system, but to take proper action upon notification.

    Read: her supervisor who refused to ask the employees to remove the pictures

    Employees were posting pictures, and the employer didn't make them stop nor offer disciplinary measures. I wouldn't expect to get away with pr0n at work, and I'd definately expect to be disciplined (perhaps fired) if I tried to. It appears that both the other employees and the employer were definately at fault - but not for lack of filtering.

    1. Re:Very different scenario by js7a · · Score: 1
      The failure here was not in neglecting to install a monitoring/blocking system, but to take proper action upon notification.
      ALERT! The word spelled A-C-T-I-O-N is forbidden Please report to your local self-arrest booth.
  74. Great Quote. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cottrell said Anonymizer would manually unblock non-pornographic Web sites if requested by Chinese or Iranian Net surfers. "Literally, we have never been contacted with a complaint about overbroad blocking," he said.

    So Yeah, those of you who are risking your lives by using the service should feel free to send an easily traceable stamped self-addressed postcard with your complains to: insecure_morons@usembassy.gov
  75. Re:Stupid 'possesion is 9/10ths of the law' mental by hesiod · · Score: 1

    > I guess you and the like just want to get away with anything you do as "long as it doesn't hurt anyone".
    > he says that since you don't believe in rules, then no rules apply to the person that committed a crime against you.

    Are you seriously that braindead? Christ man, buy a clue. "As long as no one is hurt..." of course, no one gets hurt during A RAPE?!?!?! You are an absolute moron. You can't even come up with a decent TROLL? Fer fuck's sake, man, try using your brain.

  76. The Internet..... by Pizentios · · Score: 0

    Should not be censored. people should just get used to the fact that everyone has there own little twisted corner of the internet. If you don't wan tto see that kind of stuff, then don't look at it. And as for parents not liking the fact of their kids seeing stuff that they don't want them to see...then ether teach them how to surf correctly, or invest in a cyber nanny. Anyways, if the kid really wants to see somthing that there parents don't want them to see, they'll (the kids) will find a way to see it. I know i did.

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