Of course, I've been doing the same on my RedHat and later Fedora systems as well, so your preference is based on a non-existent difference.
(Although RedHat/Fedora installs and configures "yum" by default it's just as easy to install "apt-get" or even "smart" which is the one I'm using. Anyway, the exact tool doesn't matter much, just the fact that RedHat and Fedora have had rpm repositories for quite a number of years now)
Hardly, DEB and RPM based packing systems are pretty much the same, each with their own pros and cons but in the end neither is clearly superior to the other. The advantage of Debian-based systems was that already years ago they had repositories and apt-get that was built on top of the packaging system, that clearly was a huge improvement. But RedHat/Fedora has had the same for quite a number of years now.
Agreed, we should do smart things that will probably work but _might_ _possibly_ not be necessary. Europe and other parts of the world are already doing _something_ at least and I don't see "tremendous upset" anywhere.
"but let's not be in a big hurry to write the world off till the dust settles a bit"
So you're suggesting we just wait and see? For how long? Shall we go for another 50 years behaving as if nothing has happened just to see which theory was right?
Don't know about you but I prefer to do whatever we can to counter the human part of this problem. Then if in 50 years we're proven wrong, well at least we won't be worse off than before.
You merge real world personalities? Wow. How do you do that? Is it like a Vulcan mind-meld?;-)
Just kidding. But for me when people start talking about merging blogs it reminds me of those couples that start wearing the same clothes, color-coding them and such. To each their own fortunately because it gives me the shivers.
Come on, you really have fight over something as a simple movement of a toilet seat (either up or down)? I must have been really lucky with the gfs I've had (so what am I doing here on/.? ehm well yeah, I'm alone again and no it wasn't because of the toilet seat hehe)
Now, having fight over leaving the toilet _clean_ after use, that I can understand, but I have that fight with colleagues at work as well.
You might be modded funny, but it's TRUE! I don't know what MS was thinking but IE7 is butt-ugly! It's turning in one of those christmas tree decoration interfaces like those media player skins. Out the window with consistent design etc, let's make it actually more difficult to use our products, maybe then the people will understand the added value of windows! No, really , I have NO idea why they're doing it, it just seems illogical.
As such, I believe the BSD style licenses are more idealistic than copyleft licenses, but less effective.
Actually, it still think it's the other way around because in YOUR ideal world the BSD license would be enough and there would be no need for all the bits in the GPL that are there to somehow ensure everlasting freedom for the code. This makes YOU idealistic, which is good, but the BSD license itself seems to me to be far from idealistic, it seems more for people who don't want to be bothered to ever think about the consequences of their choice of license. In that light it is still the GPL that is the license for the idealists because at least a percentage of them have the hope that somehow it will make a difference, exactly because it forces people to think. Every time a company has to consider if they can use a particular piece of GPL code they need to do a bit of introspection and who knows what can happen after years of that...
Well no, I think it might have to do more with the fact that I meant for the CS in the sentence to be IT in general. So IT is in the tinkerer stage where lots of interesting stuff is being done by the engineering types. If you can't agree with that well I think then you're not following what happens in IT these days;-)
Well, we would be talking about a mechanic who could probably build cars all by his own in new and imaginative configurations sometimes never thought off by the people who designed it. He might not be very good at calculating beforehand how to make the motor run 15% more efficiently though.
I think with CS we're still in the "tinkerer stage" where wonderfull new things come just as often from the guy working behind his computer in the attic as the computer science major working in some dev center for IBM.
Nitpick: you're mixing things up, a "bond servant" is not at all "the property of and wholly subject to another but "someone bound to labor without wages".
The accused is a 43-year-old geek -- he lives in his own world of computer code, videogames, and science fiction books. He spent his early twenties developing a role-playing game to compete with Dungeons & Dragons while writing a novel about aliens invading Earth. By age 30, he'd decided that his talents would be better applied to recrafting overlooked aspects of the Linux operating system. As a technology writer, I frequently meet people like this. Just because he doesn't behave like the rest of us -- and just because he evaded police surveillance and bought a book titled Masterpieces of Murder shortly after his wife's disappearance -- doesn't mean he's guilty.
What? He doesn't behave like the rest of us? What does that mean? That you aren't normal if you ain't got a normal 9 to 5 desk job, go home, eat dinner, walk the dog, sit in front of the telly, brush your teeth, go to sleep, wake up and do it all over again, ad infinitum?
So writing a book is strange behaviour? Or is it the aliens invading the earth? He does know that there are actually quite a lot of people writing about that? Some of them quite famous as well. Don't know how many of them have murdered their spouses though. Now that I think about it, maybe it was the video game... no, can't be, even Microsoft sells games nowadays so it can't be bad.
Even just the text "he lives in his own world of..." suggests that somehow he is an asocial person, a loner that doesn't get out much, who probably doesn't have many friends and is badly adjusted to the world around him. It sounds so damn PATRONIZING! Does this guy think he's a licensed psycho-analyst or something?
I have been asked to try to understand this, to try to understand the man.
Owkee, seems he does.
If y'all don't mind I'll just wait for the trial and see what proof they have found (if any) instead of listening to some wanker from wired doing his Freud impression.
Who makes those exceptions? Well, like we do with anything in a democracy: we do. And those exceptions are not just an arbitrary list of things you can and cannot do that any politician can change at his whim. Normally it's something that is set in the constitution of that particular country. But of course we're talking about rules that we're set before the internet age when the link between author and publisher was very direct and they're having difficulties dragging those rules into the new age.
And what you say about the war, you're right that there wasn't ever a second civil war, but I'm not sure you'll ever be able to prove that free speech had anything to do with that. I could just as well point out that the position of blacks in the States is still far from ideal and maybe that's exactly because too many people are allowed to say whatever they like about them. Yeah I know, I'll never convince you of that the same way you'll never convince me that there can't be any effect.
I can only say that neither of us seem to be doing very badly so maybe there is something to be said about both our systems;-)
PS: Coming from a country that helped you in Irak, however slightly, I can't claim any superiority here. Let's just blame it on the damn politicians.
Hmm I sorta understand what you're getting at, but do you really have to "grudgingly agree" not to rob anyone at gunpoint? Or to not make fotos of young children to sell them on the web? On the other hand you just _know_ that if you don't set those limits very clearly people will do exactly that (more so that they already do, I mean).
I guess I'm getting too old and too cynical to believe that we can all just get along without setting explicit limits on the things we can and cannot do. I do realize that those limits might depend a lot on culture and circumstances.
What you say is all true and I agree wholeheartedly with the statement that speech, especially things like political opinions, should be protected. It seems that you Americans think that speech isn't protected here at all, but it is! The difference is that we don't see it as an _absolute_ value, lots of people here think there are limits to what you can say. Like in any society, even the USA, there have to be limits to your freedoms because you can't just do everything you bloody well want to. In lots of places in Europe, especially with all that happended with the Holocaust right here on our very doorstep, we think there are things that are just too dangerous too allow. Sometimes when spouting dangerous ideas people will just think you're missing some of your bananas but at other (more difficult?) times people are only too willing to listen. It's obvious that you think the right is absolute, that's fine, I admire you for it, but leave me with my values when I think there should be limits, I'm pretty fed up with Americans thinking they're superiour just because they have "absolute" free speech.
Sorry but it has nothing to do with "correcting unpopular beliefs", this is just a relatively simple case of who is responsible for comments published on a website: the author of said comment or the owner of the website.
Because believe it or not, there are certain kinds of speech that are illegal in your precious US of A as well (defamation for example) which would generate the exact some problem if the law doesn't know how to handle it.
So yes, this is one of those cases where it's unclear what to do but I prefer their system to your anything goes and fuck the consequences.
Yes, it sucks that the GPL is so difficult to understand but that's just how the world works, life isn't always easy. So the BSD might only have 3 simple clauses... BUT I DON'T WANT IT! It doesn't give me what I want, I could just as well make it public domain and be done with it. It would have 0 clauses and be even simpler.
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Of course, I've been doing the same on my RedHat and later Fedora systems as well, so your preference is based on a non-existent difference.
(Although RedHat/Fedora installs and configures "yum" by default it's just as easy to install "apt-get" or even "smart" which is the one I'm using. Anyway, the exact tool doesn't matter much, just the fact that RedHat and Fedora have had rpm repositories for quite a number of years now)
Hardly, DEB and RPM based packing systems are pretty much the same, each with their own pros and cons but in the end neither is clearly superior to the other. The advantage of Debian-based systems was that already years ago they had repositories and apt-get that was built on top of the packaging system, that clearly was a huge improvement. But RedHat/Fedora has had the same for quite a number of years now.
Not if we attach frickin' laser beams to their heads! :-)
(sorry, couldn't resist)
According to the article it seems that: "there can be no libel if no lie is committed in an attempt to defame".
Agreed, we should do smart things that will probably work but _might_ _possibly_ not be necessary. Europe and other parts of the world are already doing _something_ at least and I don't see "tremendous upset" anywhere.
"but let's not be in a big hurry to write the world off till the dust settles a bit"
So you're suggesting we just wait and see? For how long? Shall we go for another 50 years behaving as if nothing has happened just to see which theory was right?
Don't know about you but I prefer to do whatever we can to counter the human part of this problem. Then if in 50 years we're proven wrong, well at least we won't be worse off than before.
You merge real world personalities? Wow. How do you do that? Is it like a Vulcan mind-meld? ;-)
Just kidding. But for me when people start talking about merging blogs it reminds me of those couples that start wearing the same clothes, color-coding them and such. To each their own fortunately because it gives me the shivers.
Come on, you really have fight over something as a simple movement of a toilet seat (either up or down)? I must have been really lucky with the gfs I've had (so what am I doing here on /.? ehm well yeah, I'm alone again and no it wasn't because of the toilet seat hehe)
Now, having fight over leaving the toilet _clean_ after use, that I can understand, but I have that fight with colleagues at work as well.
Dunno, it's a 3D drawing application for decorating your office?
YOU might feel more secure carrying but I sure as hell wouldn't want to sit next to some gun-crazy Texan on a plane! ;-)
Sorry, but there's just way too many unstable people in this world, I want to make it as difficult as possible for them to hurt anyone.
Well, they don't call them "family jewels" for nothing, you know!
Well what would you expect from someone who posts on /. admitting he's a Microsoft MVP? ;-)
You might be modded funny, but it's TRUE! I don't know what MS was thinking but IE7 is butt-ugly! It's turning in one of those christmas tree decoration interfaces like those media player skins. Out the window with consistent design etc, let's make it actually more difficult to use our products, maybe then the people will understand the added value of windows! No, really , I have NO idea why they're doing it, it just seems illogical.
Well no, I think it might have to do more with the fact that I meant for the CS in the sentence to be IT in general. So IT is in the tinkerer stage where lots of interesting stuff is being done by the engineering types. If you can't agree with that well I think then you're not following what happens in IT these days ;-)
Well, we would be talking about a mechanic who could probably build cars all by his own in new and imaginative configurations sometimes never thought off by the people who designed it. He might not be very good at calculating beforehand how to make the motor run 15% more efficiently though.
I think with CS we're still in the "tinkerer stage" where wonderfull new things come just as often from the guy working behind his computer in the attic as the computer science major working in some dev center for IBM.
Nitpick: you're mixing things up, a "bond servant" is not at all "the property of and wholly subject to another but "someone bound to labor without wages".
What? He doesn't behave like the rest of us? What does that mean? That you aren't normal if you ain't got a normal 9 to 5 desk job, go home, eat dinner, walk the dog, sit in front of the telly, brush your teeth, go to sleep, wake up and do it all over again, ad infinitum?
So writing a book is strange behaviour? Or is it the aliens invading the earth? He does know that there are actually quite a lot of people writing about that? Some of them quite famous as well. Don't know how many of them have murdered their spouses though. Now that I think about it, maybe it was the video game... no, can't be, even Microsoft sells games nowadays so it can't be bad.
Even just the text "he lives in his own world of..." suggests that somehow he is an asocial person, a loner that doesn't get out much, who probably doesn't have many friends and is badly adjusted to the world around him. It sounds so damn PATRONIZING! Does this guy think he's a licensed psycho-analyst or something?
Owkee, seems he does.
If y'all don't mind I'll just wait for the trial and see what proof they have found (if any) instead of listening to some wanker from wired doing his Freud impression.
Who makes those exceptions? Well, like we do with anything in a democracy: we do. And those exceptions are not just an arbitrary list of things you can and cannot do that any politician can change at his whim. Normally it's something that is set in the constitution of that particular country. But of course we're talking about rules that we're set before the internet age when the link between author and publisher was very direct and they're having difficulties dragging those rules into the new age.
;-)
And what you say about the war, you're right that there wasn't ever a second civil war, but I'm not sure you'll ever be able to prove that free speech had anything to do with that. I could just as well point out that the position of blacks in the States is still far from ideal and maybe that's exactly because too many people are allowed to say whatever they like about them. Yeah I know, I'll never convince you of that the same way you'll never convince me that there can't be any effect.
I can only say that neither of us seem to be doing very badly so maybe there is something to be said about both our systems
PS: Coming from a country that helped you in Irak, however slightly, I can't claim any superiority here. Let's just blame it on the damn politicians.
Hmm I sorta understand what you're getting at, but do you really have to "grudgingly agree" not to rob anyone at gunpoint? Or to not make fotos of young children to sell them on the web? On the other hand you just _know_ that if you don't set those limits very clearly people will do exactly that (more so that they already do, I mean).
I guess I'm getting too old and too cynical to believe that we can all just get along without setting explicit limits on the things we can and cannot do. I do realize that those limits might depend a lot on culture and circumstances.
What you say is all true and I agree wholeheartedly with the statement that speech, especially things like political opinions, should be protected. It seems that you Americans think that speech isn't protected here at all, but it is! The difference is that we don't see it as an _absolute_ value, lots of people here think there are limits to what you can say. Like in any society, even the USA, there have to be limits to your freedoms because you can't just do everything you bloody well want to. In lots of places in Europe, especially with all that happended with the Holocaust right here on our very doorstep, we think there are things that are just too dangerous too allow. Sometimes when spouting dangerous ideas people will just think you're missing some of your bananas but at other (more difficult?) times people are only too willing to listen. It's obvious that you think the right is absolute, that's fine, I admire you for it, but leave me with my values when I think there should be limits, I'm pretty fed up with Americans thinking they're superiour just because they have "absolute" free speech.
Hahaha, well at least this reply made me smile :-)
(not so sure you should be glad about that though)
Sorry but it has nothing to do with "correcting unpopular beliefs", this is just a relatively simple case of who is responsible for comments published on a website: the author of said comment or the owner of the website.
Because believe it or not, there are certain kinds of speech that are illegal in your precious US of A as well (defamation for example) which would generate the exact some problem if the law doesn't know how to handle it.
So yes, this is one of those cases where it's unclear what to do but I prefer their system to your anything goes and fuck the consequences.
Yes, it sucks that the GPL is so difficult to understand but that's just how the world works, life isn't always easy. So the BSD might only have 3 simple clauses... BUT I DON'T WANT IT! It doesn't give me what I want, I could just as well make it public domain and be done with it. It would have 0 clauses and be even simpler.
That's why my iPod is running Rock Box: http://www.rockbox.org/