local law enforcement is part of the executive branch, so the word "and" is misued here, genius.
i'm 38 years old and live with my wife and 3 children.
ok, getting back to the original point: There are lots and lots of reasons how this surveillance power can be abused for personal gain. Suppose I own some business in a city and I am also part of the government. Another non-government individual wants to engage in a business venture which I deem threatening to my business I use my spy powers to see everything that he is doing and use that to my business advantage. Do you believe that this is impossible? If so, I'd like to understand your reasoning why.
it's definitely POSSIBLE that ONE OR TWO dishonest people in the government could benefit from this, but it will NEVER happen. the average FBI job is fulltime, buddy. you said that the ENTIRE government used this as an excuse - now how could everyone in the government benefit from this? answer: they can't. it's a reason, not an excuse.
In other words, as long as someone can claim that any increased government encroachment on citizens' private lives "benefits the country" then it is justified?
as long as it's the FBI doing the enroaching, yes. if someone's doing something illegal - they deserve to get caught. if it's just something embarassing, they shouldn't worry cus it's not like the people watching them have any personal relationship with them. i wouldn't mind if someone i didn't know and was never gonna talk to in my entire life was watching me 24/7 because i'm not doing anything illegal.
and to clarify since you're obviously realizing that you're wrong so you're changing the subject, please explain to me what the government gains by being able to monitor certain people more closely. yes, the government will be stronger and more powerful, but how does this benefit INDIVIDUALS. an excuse would benefit individuals, a REASON benefits a group of people, like the country
lots of PEOPLE find themselves targetted by IRS audits.
you can't do it all day, you have yet to come up with a single valid example. you especially have not explained your original argument about the current government. i'm not the one who needs to support my claim, you are. that's like telling someone to support the fact that they did NOT kill someone. NO, the other people have to support the fact that they DID kill someone.
look, loundry 4243!!!!! gosh you must be old.. anyway... the government getting more powerful does NOT aid any individual in the government. we live in a democratic republic, and groups of people make decisions, not just one, unless you're the president - in which case the legislative or judicial branch can still overthrow you. no one thinks they will gain money by making the entire government more powerful.
but that was the excuse for additional surveillance, not the reason.
i really hate people like you. don't ask me why cus you're not smart enough to understand. why do you use words that are SIMILAR, but not accurate to describe people you don't like? what in the world does the government gain by spying on people? SECURITY. they don't get money, they don't get sex. they give more jobs and more security. you're a freaking idiot. it's a reason, not an excuse
breaking the law does NOT mean they did something immoral. Rosa Parks broke the law. Ghandi broke the law. Immoral? they definitely did it for moral reasons, (which MS is not doing), but it just goes to show that breaking the law does NOT mean it's immoral. what MS is doing isn't moral, but it isn't immoral either.
yeah... i saw a TV special on this 3 years ago. amateur rockets and all.... most of them were 20 feet tall and 25 inches in diameter and went a quarter of the way to the moon.
well, a PDA for example. or a laptop. i would love to one day see a PDA with an optional fold out monitor with a high enough resolution to support an everyday PC operating system as opposed to specialized ones for low disk space and a small screen. we probably don't have the technology to do that yet, but eventually it will come.
you may be right about it not being the FBI's responsibility, but what other government organization will do it? corporations can't do anything about it... data is data.. and it can be transferred by megabytes every second.. no matter what anyone does you'll be able to get someone else's version of software installed on your computer. they're just gonna screw anyone who does that successfully.
sorry, the metaphor is more like shooting a cannon ball at a basketball in which a mosquito happens to be sitting there.... the mosquito being legit file sharing, the basketball being illegal.
besides, the article says that the FBI is going to MONITOR file sharing, meaning they're not gonna do anything to anyone doing legit sharing.
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local law enforcement is part of the executive branch, so the word "and" is misued here, genius. i'm 38 years old and live with my wife and 3 children.
the reason we have laws is for people to obey them. it's the government's JOB to get people to obey the laws.
today there aren't many major differences between illegal and immoral - especially nothing that the FBI cares about.
ok, getting back to the original point:
There are lots and lots of reasons how this surveillance power can be abused for personal gain. Suppose I own some business in a city and I am also part of the government. Another non-government individual wants to engage in a business venture which I deem threatening to my business I use my spy powers to see everything that he is doing and use that to my business advantage. Do you believe that this is impossible? If so, I'd like to understand your reasoning why.
it's definitely POSSIBLE that ONE OR TWO dishonest people in the government could benefit from this, but it will NEVER happen. the average FBI job is fulltime, buddy. you said that the ENTIRE government used this as an excuse - now how could everyone in the government benefit from this? answer: they can't. it's a reason, not an excuse.
In other words, as long as someone can claim that any increased government encroachment on citizens' private lives "benefits the country" then it is justified?
as long as it's the FBI doing the enroaching, yes. if someone's doing something illegal - they deserve to get caught. if it's just something embarassing, they shouldn't worry cus it's not like the people watching them have any personal relationship with them. i wouldn't mind if someone i didn't know and was never gonna talk to in my entire life was watching me 24/7 because i'm not doing anything illegal.
and to clarify since you're obviously realizing that you're wrong so you're changing the subject, please explain to me what the government gains by being able to monitor certain people more closely. yes, the government will be stronger and more powerful, but how does this benefit INDIVIDUALS. an excuse would benefit individuals, a REASON benefits a group of people, like the country
lots of PEOPLE find themselves targetted by IRS audits.
you can't do it all day, you have yet to come up with a single valid example. you especially have not explained your original argument about the current government. i'm not the one who needs to support my claim, you are. that's like telling someone to support the fact that they did NOT kill someone. NO, the other people have to support the fact that they DID kill someone.
find me an FBI agent who uses his wiretap abilities for personal use and i'll say you won the argument.
look, loundry 4243!!!!! gosh you must be old.. anyway... the government getting more powerful does NOT aid any individual in the government. we live in a democratic republic, and groups of people make decisions, not just one, unless you're the president - in which case the legislative or judicial branch can still overthrow you. no one thinks they will gain money by making the entire government more powerful.
but that was the excuse for additional surveillance, not the reason.
i really hate people like you. don't ask me why cus you're not smart enough to understand. why do you use words that are SIMILAR, but not accurate to describe people you don't like? what in the world does the government gain by spying on people? SECURITY. they don't get money, they don't get sex. they give more jobs and more security. you're a freaking idiot. it's a reason, not an excuse
breaking the law does NOT mean they did something immoral. Rosa Parks broke the law. Ghandi broke the law. Immoral? they definitely did it for moral reasons, (which MS is not doing), but it just goes to show that breaking the law does NOT mean it's immoral. what MS is doing isn't moral, but it isn't immoral either.
the great grandparent basically said "MS doesn't make quality products"
i haven't had a crash since the day i bought it a year and a half ago.
where do you think they get the information to make their updates?
This shouldn't be much of a surprise -- remember the Federal government is already Microsoft's biggest customer.
what would be the surprise? did MS do anything illegal here? or are they doing what companies do for fun; MAKING MONEY?
please stop looking at everything microsoft does as immoral - they are a company, their purpose is to make money.
yeah... i saw a TV special on this 3 years ago. amateur rockets and all.... most of them were 20 feet tall and 25 inches in diameter and went a quarter of the way to the moon.
not unless he won it before the ruling of $500 per month.
the deal here is that the ruling was for $180,000,000 SORT OF. IF this guy could afford $180,000,000, he would have had to pay it.
That value is based on estimated loses DirectTV and Echostar may have incurred had Frazier been able to sell his devices.
they don't put people to death for attempted murder, do they? that seems a little harsh to me.
the article submitter meant "full format"... which i think means "can print a full page"... can it?
well, a PDA for example. or a laptop. i would love to one day see a PDA with an optional fold out monitor with a high enough resolution to support an everyday PC operating system as opposed to specialized ones for low disk space and a small screen. we probably don't have the technology to do that yet, but eventually it will come.
this is exactly what the world's been looking for.... we want smaller devices BUT larger displays. this'll be great.
oh that's weird.... so all governments are fascist? what are you complaining about then?
if they don't sell their software, why would they make it in the first place? corporation's goal is to make money. without money this world dies.
you may be right about it not being the FBI's responsibility, but what other government organization will do it? corporations can't do anything about it... data is data.. and it can be transferred by megabytes every second.. no matter what anyone does you'll be able to get someone else's version of software installed on your computer. they're just gonna screw anyone who does that successfully.
another way you can acquire the right to say software belongs to you is buy PAYING for it.
ever since whoever built the software built it. in other words, ALWAYS.
sorry, the metaphor is more like shooting a cannon ball at a basketball in which a mosquito happens to be sitting there.... the mosquito being legit file sharing, the basketball being illegal.
besides, the article says that the FBI is going to MONITOR file sharing, meaning they're not gonna do anything to anyone doing legit sharing.