Sorry, but you are out of kilter. Economy must produce approximately 150,000 jobs per month - not everyone who graduates highschool and college goes immediately into job market (vacation, grad school, military, trust fund, slackerville, etc., etc., etc.). June number of "job creation" (which includes one-day only temp jobs) was only 32,000. Look at "actual" (revised) numbers for every month since January for 2004 - really bad!
Most definitely. In 2000, Bill G bought up some Washington state politicians and caused the Bureau of Labor and Industry to pass a state ordinance putting a cap on the amount of money an independent contractor can make. I don't recall any cap on Bill G's billions!!!!!
Perfect comment - M$ has been on this patent diarrhea almost forever. Back around 1990 or so, they began patenting every speech made by their employees in public in case some new buzz word or phrase was used.
And most definitely yes, if this patenting had begun much sooner, there would be no M$.
While I both agree with everything you've stated, and believe it extremely cogently and lucidly posted, I feel there's one item you've left out of this equation. The corporations and government of America are principally exporting these jobs for capital - not always so apparent - but it goes along with the number one export of America, i.e., financial paper - "our" deficit.....
One ignores history at their own peril. This isn't the first time "global corporatism" has reared it's monstrous head. Back in the early part of the 20th century corporations were importing large numbers of Chinese workers to undercut American and immigrant workers. As the corporations' thugs were too well-armed, the workers here instead attacked the Chinese workers - recently mistakenly labeled racism by revisionst historians - but really simply a matter of economic survival. It happened once, and unless the people have truly become sheep - woe unto the CEOs and senior management here.....
In 1996 a defense analyst made the realistic claim that the USA was at least 25 years ahead of China in missile technology thanks to over-the-horizon targeting capability of our missiles.
As of 2001, China has moved to being about on par with US missile technology due to their acquisition of over-the-horizon missile targeting technology - successfully tested on their (thanks to the American-launched, Taliban-recovered-and-sold) cruise missiles. You can thank both the Clinton and Bush administration for this development.
Your supposition is faulty when compared to present reality - why have the major corporations: Intel, Sony, Panasonic, Siemens, IBM, Microsoft, and a growing number of other corps - moved their R & D centers over to China, Eastern Europe or other countries??????
Q E D!
I believe that term "global capitalsm" is completely incorrect!
As both defined and practised - it is GLOBAL CORPORATISM - distinctly different from Adam Smith's capitalism - and what the corporate elites claim to be capitalism. Cororate globalism is killing any form of global capitalism - the same way Big Business in America has killed Free Enterprise!
Thanks for so succinctly stating - what is obvious to thinking people - what should be obvious to anyone with an IQ above a pet rock!!!
Well put - short of an armed insurrection in this country - hello Third World - you are here!!!
Outsourcing IS NOT SUPPOSED to bring everyone up to the same level - this is just so much drivel from the professional propagandists and the McKinsey Global Institute and the McKinsey Consultancy.
Countries have - and will continue - to artificially keep wages low in their respective countries (China, Vietnam, Eastern Europe, etc.). This, of course, is with the collusion of the corporate giants.
'Nuff said.....
Best damned buggy whips (sorry, no comma, dude!)?????
Is this the same tired, nonsensical non sequitur about the Model T and the horse-and-buggy it supplanted????
Doesn't anyone learn history anymore??? Henry Ford DID NOT OFFSHORE FACTORY AND DESIGN JOBS - had he done so America wouldn't have existed the way it did over the previous century. GET A CLUE, DUDE!!!!! Does everything have to be minutely spelled out for you??????
A thousand thanks for making the most articulate response to a clearly muddled-headed individual! This often and incorrectly repeated economics principle - usually wrongly used and out-of-context - doesn't fit this situation. Nor does it fit any present corporate globalization practice. The only COMPARATIVE ADVANTAGE, to more specifically repeat your position - is to the ruling corporate elites who make more money by spreading more misery.
I fully agree with what you say - but feel the track record of former Microsofties who have started their own companies is pretty abysmal.
And as future employers - their records really suck!!! (From the American programmer's viewpoint.) Note the number who have chosen to hire only foreigners in India and Eastern Europe!
Let me please remind you of an obvious fact: America has been a NET IMPORTER OF HIGH TECH PRODUCTS AND SERVICES SINCE 1999!!!! Your supposition is therefore completely incorrect....
Unless, of course, in those countries (specifically China and Vietnam and Eastern Europe, I'm ignorant about the present state of wages in India) the governments keep the wages artificially low - which they appear to be doing. Let's stick to reality, dude!
Let's see now....licensing small companies' technology so they can figure out how to illegally incorporate it into their OS and put that company out of business.
And litigating intelligent, innovative, hardworking and decent people to the point of insolvency, and in some cases, even death, to keep them from making any headway into software markets.
Purchasing politicans in the state of Washington so that Gates & Company could put a cap on how much independent contractors make in that state (2000 - Bureau of Labor and Industry).
Offshoring thousands of jobs overseas and claiming only 200 employees in India!!!???
Buy newspaper stories that always proclaim MS is hiring locally - when in reality they are laying off locally. Anyone remember their layoff in Seattle of over 1,000 EMPLOYEES on September 12, 2001????
Bill Gates' evil??? Yes, most definitely.....
I remember sitting near a fellow back around '94 or '95 at the Cafe Roma in Seattle. This fellow - Kevin Mitnick - was predicting the demise of MS by 2001.
As a contractor who's been treated like a serf (as have all contractors) by MS, and has figured out problems the left their "senior engineers" clueless, my wishes for MS future are fantasies.
It all comes down to professionalism - which appears to have disappeared - along with individual responsibility. But if one can't be blamed for a total screwup - one can't be given proper credit for saving the day - or sophisticated new creations!
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
That magical (a k a GREEDY) thinking of the rich elites (and their not-too-bright lower-level minions) suggests that their venal behavior is in everyone's best interests.
Well - the businesses in this country are flush with cash (most probably from downsizing and offshoring) - will they suddenly hire Americans - or continue offshoring American jobs and continue to be flush with cash???
The answer should be obvious.....
That particular group - more so than even other groups of Jews - encouraged their rabbis (their most learned) to procreate as much as possible.
Compare Catholic Ireland's historically most learned - their clergy - who were encouraged NOT TO PROCREATE. Some obvious lessons to be learned - and not some "master race" rantings - but fundamental logical behaviors.......
On culture-free IQ tests the Innuit or Eskimo usually rates the highest while the Ugandan rates the lowest (although the spread between the two groups is really quite small). The obvious reason: the inhospitable climate of the Innuit allows for little or no mistakes.
All the Ashkenazi Jews I went to school with appeared to be gifted with photographic memories - something for which I always envied them.
Your response is semi-correct as the other individual's supposition was completely fallacious.
But on a different level - both of you are wrong - culture does implicitly and explicitly matter - the US has enjoyed an innovative culture for the past two centuries - but that is winding down as the neocons (or neoJacobins, depending on one's terminology) attempt to distort everything!
Most importantly, the corporations (and our corrupt government - both R[epublicans] & D[emocrats]) are betting the future of this country on fascist regimes with non-diverse populations. That is truly a no-win situation and is why we are now in a chronic state of regression in this country!
Little can be said to improve upon your most lucid and cogent description of our present bizarre reality. Big business has truly killed free enterprise - and the hour is too late to turn back the clock.
What appears most obvious to the rest of us - the negative aspects of shrinking the national, state and local tax bases by the increasing offshoring of American jobs - is simply too abstract for the lowbrows and venal PR types!
The CEOs and senior management of these corporations are fully aware of the extreme damage they are causing the US economy, but like Jack Welch (formerly of GE) as long as they get theirs they are unconcerned for the rest of us.
It is interesting to note that a Nostradamus interpreter (I believe his name was Welch, maybe R. W. Welch) suggested that some of his quatrains pertained to a comet or asteroid hitting the Mediterranean area sometime in the summer of 2004.
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Sorry, but you are out of kilter. Economy must produce approximately 150,000 jobs per month - not everyone who graduates highschool and college goes immediately into job market (vacation, grad school, military, trust fund, slackerville, etc., etc., etc.). June number of "job creation" (which includes one-day only temp jobs) was only 32,000. Look at "actual" (revised) numbers for every month since January for 2004 - really bad!
Most definitely. In 2000, Bill G bought up some Washington state politicians and caused the Bureau of Labor and Industry to pass a state ordinance putting a cap on the amount of money an independent contractor can make. I don't recall any cap on Bill G's billions!!!!!
Perfect comment - M$ has been on this patent diarrhea almost forever. Back around 1990 or so, they began patenting every speech made by their employees in public in case some new buzz word or phrase was used.
And most definitely yes, if this patenting had begun much sooner, there would be no M$.
While I both agree with everything you've stated, and believe it extremely cogently and lucidly posted, I feel there's one item you've left out of this equation. The corporations and government of America are principally exporting these jobs for capital - not always so apparent - but it goes along with the number one export of America, i.e., financial paper - "our" deficit.....
I don't know about real organizations - but try these two web sites for a beginning: http://www.onshorealternatives.com http://www.saveusjobs.biz
One ignores history at their own peril. This isn't the first time "global corporatism" has reared it's monstrous head. Back in the early part of the 20th century corporations were importing large numbers of Chinese workers to undercut American and immigrant workers. As the corporations' thugs were too well-armed, the workers here instead attacked the Chinese workers - recently mistakenly labeled racism by revisionst historians - but really simply a matter of economic survival. It happened once, and unless the people have truly become sheep - woe unto the CEOs and senior management here.....
In 1996 a defense analyst made the realistic claim that the USA was at least 25 years ahead of China in missile technology thanks to over-the-horizon targeting capability of our missiles. As of 2001, China has moved to being about on par with US missile technology due to their acquisition of over-the-horizon missile targeting technology - successfully tested on their (thanks to the American-launched, Taliban-recovered-and-sold) cruise missiles. You can thank both the Clinton and Bush administration for this development.
Your supposition is faulty when compared to present reality - why have the major corporations: Intel, Sony, Panasonic, Siemens, IBM, Microsoft, and a growing number of other corps - moved their R & D centers over to China, Eastern Europe or other countries?????? Q E D!
I believe that term "global capitalsm" is completely incorrect! As both defined and practised - it is GLOBAL CORPORATISM - distinctly different from Adam Smith's capitalism - and what the corporate elites claim to be capitalism. Cororate globalism is killing any form of global capitalism - the same way Big Business in America has killed Free Enterprise!
Thanks for so succinctly stating - what is obvious to thinking people - what should be obvious to anyone with an IQ above a pet rock!!! Well put - short of an armed insurrection in this country - hello Third World - you are here!!!
Outsourcing IS NOT SUPPOSED to bring everyone up to the same level - this is just so much drivel from the professional propagandists and the McKinsey Global Institute and the McKinsey Consultancy. Countries have - and will continue - to artificially keep wages low in their respective countries (China, Vietnam, Eastern Europe, etc.). This, of course, is with the collusion of the corporate giants. 'Nuff said.....
Best damned buggy whips (sorry, no comma, dude!)????? Is this the same tired, nonsensical non sequitur about the Model T and the horse-and-buggy it supplanted???? Doesn't anyone learn history anymore??? Henry Ford DID NOT OFFSHORE FACTORY AND DESIGN JOBS - had he done so America wouldn't have existed the way it did over the previous century. GET A CLUE, DUDE!!!!! Does everything have to be minutely spelled out for you??????
A thousand thanks for making the most articulate response to a clearly muddled-headed individual! This often and incorrectly repeated economics principle - usually wrongly used and out-of-context - doesn't fit this situation. Nor does it fit any present corporate globalization practice. The only COMPARATIVE ADVANTAGE, to more specifically repeat your position - is to the ruling corporate elites who make more money by spreading more misery.
WELCOME TO THE 21ST CENTURY!!!!!!
I fully agree with what you say - but feel the track record of former Microsofties who have started their own companies is pretty abysmal. And as future employers - their records really suck!!! (From the American programmer's viewpoint.) Note the number who have chosen to hire only foreigners in India and Eastern Europe!
Let me please remind you of an obvious fact: America has been a NET IMPORTER OF HIGH TECH PRODUCTS AND SERVICES SINCE 1999!!!! Your supposition is therefore completely incorrect....
Unless, of course, in those countries (specifically China and Vietnam and Eastern Europe, I'm ignorant about the present state of wages in India) the governments keep the wages artificially low - which they appear to be doing. Let's stick to reality, dude!
Let's see now....licensing small companies' technology so they can figure out how to illegally incorporate it into their OS and put that company out of business. And litigating intelligent, innovative, hardworking and decent people to the point of insolvency, and in some cases, even death, to keep them from making any headway into software markets. Purchasing politicans in the state of Washington so that Gates & Company could put a cap on how much independent contractors make in that state (2000 - Bureau of Labor and Industry). Offshoring thousands of jobs overseas and claiming only 200 employees in India!!!??? Buy newspaper stories that always proclaim MS is hiring locally - when in reality they are laying off locally. Anyone remember their layoff in Seattle of over 1,000 EMPLOYEES on September 12, 2001???? Bill Gates' evil??? Yes, most definitely.....
I remember sitting near a fellow back around '94 or '95 at the Cafe Roma in Seattle. This fellow - Kevin Mitnick - was predicting the demise of MS by 2001.
As a contractor who's been treated like a serf (as have all contractors) by MS, and has figured out problems the left their "senior engineers" clueless, my wishes for MS future are fantasies.
Like the roach, they'll be around forever.
You are so on target, dude!
It all comes down to professionalism - which appears to have disappeared - along with individual responsibility. But if one can't be blamed for a total screwup - one can't be given proper credit for saving the day - or sophisticated new creations!
EXACTLY!!!!!!! That magical (a k a GREEDY) thinking of the rich elites (and their not-too-bright lower-level minions) suggests that their venal behavior is in everyone's best interests. Well - the businesses in this country are flush with cash (most probably from downsizing and offshoring) - will they suddenly hire Americans - or continue offshoring American jobs and continue to be flush with cash??? The answer should be obvious.....
That particular group - more so than even other groups of Jews - encouraged their rabbis (their most learned) to procreate as much as possible.
Compare Catholic Ireland's historically most learned - their clergy - who were encouraged NOT TO PROCREATE. Some obvious lessons to be learned - and not some "master race" rantings - but fundamental logical behaviors.......
On culture-free IQ tests the Innuit or Eskimo usually rates the highest while the Ugandan rates the lowest (although the spread between the two groups is really quite small). The obvious reason: the inhospitable climate of the Innuit allows for little or no mistakes. All the Ashkenazi Jews I went to school with appeared to be gifted with photographic memories - something for which I always envied them.
Your response is semi-correct as the other individual's supposition was completely fallacious. But on a different level - both of you are wrong - culture does implicitly and explicitly matter - the US has enjoyed an innovative culture for the past two centuries - but that is winding down as the neocons (or neoJacobins, depending on one's terminology) attempt to distort everything! Most importantly, the corporations (and our corrupt government - both R[epublicans] & D[emocrats]) are betting the future of this country on fascist regimes with non-diverse populations. That is truly a no-win situation and is why we are now in a chronic state of regression in this country!
Little can be said to improve upon your most lucid and cogent description of our present bizarre reality. Big business has truly killed free enterprise - and the hour is too late to turn back the clock.
What appears most obvious to the rest of us - the negative aspects of shrinking the national, state and local tax bases by the increasing offshoring of American jobs - is simply too abstract for the lowbrows and venal PR types!
The CEOs and senior management of these corporations are fully aware of the extreme damage they are causing the US economy, but like Jack Welch (formerly of GE) as long as they get theirs they are unconcerned for the rest of us.
Thanks, dude!
It is interesting to note that a Nostradamus interpreter (I believe his name was Welch, maybe R. W. Welch) suggested that some of his quatrains pertained to a comet or asteroid hitting the Mediterranean area sometime in the summer of 2004.
Food for thought?????