I think people are getting way off track here - Japanese have lost their jobs to offshoring to a considerable degree also.
The offshoring of jobs - the "lack of opportunity" demonstrates repeatedly that education and hard work not don't necessarily pay - it's becoming a real joke in America.
People, whether they be highschool grads or college grads, only make money when they can obtain employment. (Forget about this new age "everyone a free agent" crap.)
The only believable indicator of America's economy today is the amount of office furniture being sold - or how many retail outlets selling primarily office furniture have gone out of business (the B.L.S. has no credibility with their "estimates" whatsoever).
I commend you for presenting a considerably more balanced view. One grows increasingly annoyed at some of the drivel originating from the mouths of Indians today, especially the popular notion among them that they invented computer science, etc., ad nauseum.
Furthermore, one tires of always hearing them espouse that utter nonsense that the offshoring of as many American jobs as possible (to India, of course!) is the best thing possible for the American economy.
Say, is there any chance of a nuclear war still between Pakistan and India????? And please, no more of that tired race card thing - or perhaps the previous Indian poster should return to the land of his birth and set some women on fire - I hear they enjoy that sort of thing......
Your post is brilliant and completely right on target.
As a youth, I visted a NASA engineer (he was my mentor in the "Big Brother" program) around 1966, and I recall that the vast majority of engineers were American-born, with a sprinkling of German rocket scientists from WWII.
With Intel, Siemens, Sony, Panasonic, IBM, Microsoft and all the other companies moving their R&D to China, who the flying f**k cares about American dominance - the corporations that own the politicians certainly don't and the owners of the NY Times definitely don't.
Your post says it all, although I'm sure there will be some lowbrows who disagree from their lack of education.
Obviously, something that pays well and can't be outsourced: elevator repair and/or heavy equipment repair.
I'm deadly serious about this - check it out or play the fool.
WAIT FOR THE ECONOMY TO PICK UP!
This suggests a background lacking in mathematics (something quite valuable for a true technoid!) and definitely lacking in real-world experience!
The economy is being offshored to pay off the debts of the super-rich and their political lackeys!
Better to wait for the next ice age - which real probably arrive before this economy "picks up."
Thanks for the one of only 2 intelligent postings to this topic, and truly the most intelligent posting of the day.
The people invariably doing the hiring normally don't know crap about what they are hiring for - I don't care what they claim their background to be!
Too many people I've run into over the years - be it at McSoftware in Redmond or other megacorps and small biz - don't understand the FUNDAMENTALS.
Back in the '80s (yes, I am a dinosaur) one could identify the lowbrows because they would repeat inane quotes such as: "Computers don't make mistakes, humans make mistakes!"
If I have to explain to "techies" why 98% OF ALL HARDWARE PROBLEMS GENERATE SOFTWARE PROBLEMS then I know I'm dealing with a complete dunderhead!
(Gee, if I have gas in my car, but the engine was blown yesterday.....)
Not understanding the basic hardware and operating system has undone many a shop.
Survival of the group, dearie. That's why people fight and die for their country's continued existence. That's why we have hospitals and police and fire departments. That's why we have the Salvation Army and the American Red Cross. That's why we have social conventions. If you screw your neighbor - and his or her only recourse is to steal from you to keep from going hungry (and don't preach to this homeless, educated, combat veteran American about the social net out there - try surviving among all the psychotics out here) then you will understand both the short-term and long-term results of destroying what remains of the SOCIAL CONTRACT in this society!
Sorry, but you're still clueless, dude!
"Equilibrium" will not be reached - the point is to always go to the cheapest labor market - this situation HAS ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS BE IN FLUX!
As Jack Welch (the primo offshoring former CEO of GE) put it, "I prefer my company to be a floating raft, always docking at the country with the lowest taxes and cheapest labor..." [or words to that effect]
Jobs go to Mexico, then to China and India and Eastern Europe, then back to.......
A truly healthy economy is something of a semi-closed loop (or closed loop), but globalization is about super-concentration of wealth and a one-way conduit to screw the workers of the world.
Exactly, although I believe historically the pseudo legal definition of corporations that stands today didn't come into existence until around 1886, and it was taken from the case notes of a case law document which had nothing whatsoever to do with the case notes which were supposed to describe it. In other words, it was a complete fiction that exists to this day.
Big business has killed free enterprise and inordinate wealth for a few has always gone along with inordinate want for the many. (I'm repeating the brilliant thoughts of others prior to me.)
The amorality (the correct term in the English language - as native English speakers will appreciate) of laying off Americans and offshoring jobs or replacing Americans with H-1Bs, H-2Bs, H-2Cs, L-1s and illegals, is detrimental to the existence of the group. Men and women die in combat to support the continuation of the existence of the group - while multinationals and American corporations choose to deconstruct the American economy and destroy the group.
One cannot offshore one-third of the US economy without causing catastrophic economic situations.
Right on target, oh learned one!
Friedman knows even less than the majority of economists who espouse such nonsense - many of whom are extremely mathematically deficient!
The proposition that American jobs exist independently of the American economy and that the American economy exists independently of American jobs is so obviously preposterous to anyone who has ever read "Wealth of Nations" and passed college-level math and econ courses.
Of course, it really doesn't require anything more than basic arithmetic.....
Thanks for a most succinct and lucid comment. You are indeed a most thoughtful individual.
Corporate feudalism is certainly what is taking place, and for those who claim this has happened in the past - a serious reading of recent history is in order!
Those high tech jobs which "replaced" those offshored manufacturing jobs which caused a further concentration of wealth in America - were the direct result of the largest government-sponsored research program in history: NASA and the moon-landing program!
Those high tech jobs DID NOT magically appear because jobs were offshored then - just as those loony toons who proclaim new "value added jobs" will magically appear to take the place of all these high tech jobs being offshored today.
And from my reckoning over the past four years - about 9 million jobs - across the spectrum - have been offshored - Morgan Stanley estimates 5.3 million in the private sector - and adding in those 3 million offshored jobs in the public sector one arrivest at 8.3 million jobs - which is getting much closer to reality!
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I think people are getting way off track here - Japanese have lost their jobs to offshoring to a considerable degree also. The offshoring of jobs - the "lack of opportunity" demonstrates repeatedly that education and hard work not don't necessarily pay - it's becoming a real joke in America. People, whether they be highschool grads or college grads, only make money when they can obtain employment. (Forget about this new age "everyone a free agent" crap.) The only believable indicator of America's economy today is the amount of office furniture being sold - or how many retail outlets selling primarily office furniture have gone out of business (the B.L.S. has no credibility with their "estimates" whatsoever).
I commend you for presenting a considerably more balanced view. One grows increasingly annoyed at some of the drivel originating from the mouths of Indians today, especially the popular notion among them that they invented computer science, etc., ad nauseum. Furthermore, one tires of always hearing them espouse that utter nonsense that the offshoring of as many American jobs as possible (to India, of course!) is the best thing possible for the American economy. Say, is there any chance of a nuclear war still between Pakistan and India????? And please, no more of that tired race card thing - or perhaps the previous Indian poster should return to the land of his birth and set some women on fire - I hear they enjoy that sort of thing......
Your post is brilliant and completely right on target.
As a youth, I visted a NASA engineer (he was my mentor in the "Big Brother" program) around 1966, and I recall that the vast majority of engineers were American-born, with a sprinkling of German rocket scientists from WWII.
With Intel, Siemens, Sony, Panasonic, IBM, Microsoft and all the other companies moving their R&D to China, who the flying f**k cares about American dominance - the corporations that own the politicians certainly don't and the owners of the NY Times definitely don't.
Your post says it all, although I'm sure there will be some lowbrows who disagree from their lack of education.
Obviously, something that pays well and can't be outsourced: elevator repair and/or heavy equipment repair. I'm deadly serious about this - check it out or play the fool.
WAIT FOR THE ECONOMY TO PICK UP! This suggests a background lacking in mathematics (something quite valuable for a true technoid!) and definitely lacking in real-world experience! The economy is being offshored to pay off the debts of the super-rich and their political lackeys! Better to wait for the next ice age - which real probably arrive before this economy "picks up."
Thanks for the one of only 2 intelligent postings to this topic, and truly the most intelligent posting of the day. The people invariably doing the hiring normally don't know crap about what they are hiring for - I don't care what they claim their background to be!
You are so right on target!
Too many people I've run into over the years - be it at McSoftware in Redmond or other megacorps and small biz - don't understand the FUNDAMENTALS.
Back in the '80s (yes, I am a dinosaur) one could identify the lowbrows because they would repeat inane quotes such as: "Computers don't make mistakes, humans make mistakes!"
If I have to explain to "techies" why 98% OF ALL HARDWARE PROBLEMS GENERATE SOFTWARE PROBLEMS then I know I'm dealing with a complete dunderhead!
(Gee, if I have gas in my car, but the engine was blown yesterday.....)
Not understanding the basic hardware and operating system has undone many a shop.
Survival of the group, dearie. That's why people fight and die for their country's continued existence. That's why we have hospitals and police and fire departments. That's why we have the Salvation Army and the American Red Cross. That's why we have social conventions. If you screw your neighbor - and his or her only recourse is to steal from you to keep from going hungry (and don't preach to this homeless, educated, combat veteran American about the social net out there - try surviving among all the psychotics out here) then you will understand both the short-term and long-term results of destroying what remains of the SOCIAL CONTRACT in this society!
Sorry, but you're still clueless, dude! "Equilibrium" will not be reached - the point is to always go to the cheapest labor market - this situation HAS ALWAYS AND WILL ALWAYS BE IN FLUX! As Jack Welch (the primo offshoring former CEO of GE) put it, "I prefer my company to be a floating raft, always docking at the country with the lowest taxes and cheapest labor..." [or words to that effect] Jobs go to Mexico, then to China and India and Eastern Europe, then back to .......
A truly healthy economy is something of a semi-closed loop (or closed loop), but globalization is about super-concentration of wealth and a one-way conduit to screw the workers of the world.
Exactly, although I believe historically the pseudo legal definition of corporations that stands today didn't come into existence until around 1886, and it was taken from the case notes of a case law document which had nothing whatsoever to do with the case notes which were supposed to describe it. In other words, it was a complete fiction that exists to this day.
Big business has killed free enterprise and inordinate wealth for a few has always gone along with inordinate want for the many. (I'm repeating the brilliant thoughts of others prior to me.)
The amorality (the correct term in the English language - as native English speakers will appreciate) of laying off Americans and offshoring jobs or replacing Americans with H-1Bs, H-2Bs, H-2Cs, L-1s and illegals, is detrimental to the existence of the group. Men and women die in combat to support the continuation of the existence of the group - while multinationals and American corporations choose to deconstruct the American economy and destroy the group.
One cannot offshore one-third of the US economy without causing catastrophic economic situations.
Right on target, oh learned one! Friedman knows even less than the majority of economists who espouse such nonsense - many of whom are extremely mathematically deficient! The proposition that American jobs exist independently of the American economy and that the American economy exists independently of American jobs is so obviously preposterous to anyone who has ever read "Wealth of Nations" and passed college-level math and econ courses. Of course, it really doesn't require anything more than basic arithmetic.....
Thanks for a most succinct and lucid comment. You are indeed a most thoughtful individual.
Corporate feudalism is certainly what is taking place, and for those who claim this has happened in the past - a serious reading of recent history is in order!
Those high tech jobs which "replaced" those offshored manufacturing jobs which caused a further concentration of wealth in America - were the direct result of the largest government-sponsored research program in history: NASA and the moon-landing program!
Those high tech jobs DID NOT magically appear because jobs were offshored then - just as those loony toons who proclaim new "value added jobs" will magically appear to take the place of all these high tech jobs being offshored today.
And from my reckoning over the past four years - about 9 million jobs - across the spectrum - have been offshored - Morgan Stanley estimates 5.3 million in the private sector - and adding in those 3 million offshored jobs in the public sector one arrivest at 8.3 million jobs - which is getting much closer to reality!
The ones who should be RFID'd are the really dangerous types: child molesters, baby rapers, congressmen & women, senators, judges, etc., etc.