puts Europeans at risk in the event that terrorists attempt a rescue
Gee, some bad a** Muslim who didn't care for his neighbor and turned him or her in under the fiction of being tight with al Qaeda is not on their list to be rescued - assuming there was an actual organization that existed - and seeing as how we have to rely upon the Bush Administration for such evidence (which hasn't been forthcoming, and somehow I don't think this administration has established any track record on telling the truth,
There *is* a war going on and I am not referring to Iraq.
You are right, Iraq is not a war - it is an invasion and occupation by foreign troops - and a rebellion against said occupiers.
A damn smart thing to do in order to do traffic analysis and discover covert networks.
Funny, J. Edgar Hoover said the exact same thing about his secret political files....
Reporters have a right to publish what they learn, they do not have a right to break the law to acquire that knowledge.
And the prez, vice-prez, Rumsfeldstilskin, and Condo Rice are not bound by those same laws????
Real combat vets do not support an Imperial Army - that's why the Founders believed in citizen-soldiers only]
Hmmmm...I've given the matter some deep thought. I suspect it is because it has nothing to do with the War On Terror.
It's probably just the normal al Qaeda operation for raising operational funds. NSA, NGA, CIA, FBI, ATF, DOTFN, DOCLE, DIA...and those other clowns, are far too busy spying on peaceful Americans.
You are obviously one super-sharp invidual (I'm not that sharp so it has taken awhile to notice) and your post gave me an excellent idea to explain something that's been inexplicable to me.
I went out during the day Sunday and performed the classic grade school (or maybe even high school, in some places) physics demonstration:
I would ask random people passing by if they knew of which two items I was holding - a heavy book and a small pen - would hit the ground first when I dropped them simultaneously? Then I would ask them if they agreed with the official story of 9/11/01 - or if they suspected some type of governmental (or otherwise) collusion in those horrible events.
Of those that gave the correct physics answer 100% disbelieved the official story and believed the Bush crowd was heavily involved.
Of those that gave the incorrect answer, 70% firmly believed the official story, while 30% disbelieved it (proving it doesn't take a fundamental grasp of physics to comprehend the obvious, but it sure helps!!!!!)
I simply had difficulty in seeing, that while Cheney/Bush's polling numbers of been precipitously dropping, there is still a significant number of people who believe in the 9/11/01 fantasy (as well as Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, no doubt).
Excuse my insertion of a bit of reality here, but there have been terrorist attacks here (both by popular definition and according to the Feebs [FBI]) over the past 4 years:
several Anthrax attacks (according to the FBI "analysis" - they were from either two or three different originators), that Reza fellow, the Iranian Muslim graduate student who recently ran over students on the University of North Carolina campus (recently in the national news); and there have been (if I recall correctly) something like 6 to 8 similar incidents around the nation - all low intensity terrorist acts we've seen so much of internationally - nothing like that fairly well-orchestrated 9/11/01,
and if you wish to know what most combat veterans really think about the Busheviks please read this article by one of the co-founders of Delta Force (and the only guy I'm aware of who can do as many handstand pushups as this old vet).
I've certainly never seen a period in my life where things were this horribly skewed! I'm relatively sure the original plan on 9/11/01 was to declare martial law, but their plan didn't work out quite right (the part where two of those planes were supposed to attack the legislative branch of the government on Capitol Hill, D.C. (I think it was the Capitol building - I forget the actual name.)
I hope their backup plane which is supposed to occur sometime between now and 2008 doesn't take as many lives as 9/11/01 - who knows if they move it up once the serious indictments start rolling in.
But there hasn't been a serious terrorist attack since 9/11/01 (about that Anthrax, dude). But what if that 9/11/01 wasn't actually a terrorist attack.....
Why...it's not really about that as the same question could have been asked a few decades ago of J. Edgar Hoover, who kept mucho secret files on a variety of politicians.
The Busheviks have been doing this - not since 09/11/01 - but from the very first month they came into power after he was appointed to the presidency by his buds on the Supreme Court. And they are using satellite imaging in conjunction with the NSA spying (sort of like that stuff that went on in that movie "Enemy of the State" with Will Smith).
This will allow them to accumulate both strategic BUSINESS intelligence and blackmail intelligence on specific legistors and political opponents.
Sonny, they've already admitted they (the NSA) have the network to pull it off - don't you ever follow the news, or maybe that ADD is giving you some REAL bad problems. And now you're telling us that Ms. Plame's neighbors are all al Qaeda - or Hezbollah - so it doesn't matter if her cover was blown - otherwise your lack of logical thread makes no sense!!!
Dude - you are truly hilarious with you unbelievable propaganda - some of us actually do our homework - and mine was to memorize the charter of NSA many years ago in the military. Tired of answering the same old stuff (SOS to you children) - so go back and study a subject you obviously missed in school - it's called physics - and no lies by the Busheviks will ever suspend it.
The word around DC is that it will be one of the port cities - either Seattle or Miami - that will be hit.
The original 9/11/01 plan had some problems that circumvented the original plan which called for martial law to be enacted by the Busheviks: that French film crew that filmed the controlled demolitions of the two towers at the WTC, the seismic data recording that they forgot to confiscate from a nearby university that corroborated the film crew's footage, the ham radio operators who picked up the homing beacons that went online in both DC and NYC, one in the vicinity of Capitol Hill in DC, the other right at the WTC in NYC. Oh yeah, that original Flight 91 that was scrubbed because of the cracked cockpit window (that was one of the aircraft that the RPV software had been uploaded into). Of course there will be dufuses - we all knew them in school and the workplace - who will never figure out that a jet aircraft which is supposed to have crashed directly into the ground in Shanksville, PA, doesn't live debris spread over a 6 to 8 mile area - that only happens from a mid-air explosion above 10,000 feet. Any of you clowns have any real, solid military experience?????
You mean when Bushie says he's not really mining and trolling the personal data of millions of innocent Americans - he's really full of Texas beans????
[My wet dream: the indictments of Rove...Cheney...and Bush.]
It would have to be that expert paleoclimatologist and meteorologist, a true expert on global warming, Dr. Rush Limbaugh. (I hear he really knows lots of stuff on pharmacology, too!)
I offer up no simple links but urge anyone who doesn't "get it" to go to the library or bookstore and obtain books on German History of the first half of the 20th century; events of Hitler's taking and consolidation of power.
I'm an old fart who grew up with people preaching me this stuff - and to avoid it at all costs. What is taking place right now is just soooo Deja Vu....
Normally I wouln't respond to such a simpleton post, but as many posters to/. will obvious know or reason out, any organization that collects such information can have almost infinite power and knowledge of far too many individuals at all levels of society (as Newt Gingrich found out to his dismay, and which is why it is against the charter of the NSA to spy on Americans).
The people, companies and associations called can yield tremendous amounts of data to profile both individuals and groups; the potential for data mining is simply too dangerous and far too enormous.
This type of pseudoargument is only two steps removed from those who claim the Bush Administration to be incompetent - every action they take has yielded tremendous profit - back to and including the destruction of the World Trade Center! A perfect example: outing the CIA agent Valerie Plame - caused trouble for her and her husband, Joe Wilson (1), sent a chilling message to CIA subordinates to obey the Bushies (2), and removed the head of the field team monitoring the Iranian nuclear progress [Valerie Plame, the outed CIA agent] (3).
Also to the point (as I'm sure many intelligent/.ers will likewise mention), the questions on that poll were articulated to heavily favor the NSA - instead of asking:
Do you realize the reason why the charters of both the NSA and the CIA forbid spying on anyone within the borders of America?? (Answer: to avoid fascism from gaining a foothold in the US of A!)
First Bush gives NSA $54 million (as he did with the Taliban on March, 2001, ostensibly to stop growing poppies). Then a cargo plane (that's supposed to be a UAL commercial jet) flies into their HQ building (in Denver, I think?), then their HQ building collapses in an obviously controlled demolition (either a government agency or the FD had been there the previous week to set the incendiary devices).
Next, a suspicious passport is found of an Arab fellow near the explosion (the only item to survive - the Arab pilot - who only learned his crack flying skills at an aviation school flight simulator quite recently - and has an IQ of 98 - must have rolled down the cockpit window and tossed it out just prior to crashing into the Qwest building).
What about Mr. Ed??? Horses have unique identifiers too, ya know? Even Britney Spears answers to a unique name - at least that's what everyone keeps telling me at THE HOME....
Excellent points - especially as the US government has very quietly released the majority of the "prisoners" they were holding at Guantanimo (you know, where they torture people) - so I suspect they actually weren't guilty, after all???
No, actually much worse. The Chinese mfr.'s believe in recycling everything, which is why their items frequently set off radiation counters,i.e., they recycle all toxic and radioactive waste into everything they manufacture - might be children's toys, might be silverware, etc.
We also, thanks to the minders and shysters of the WTO, also now eat food and produce raised with DDT spraying which was (and I think actually still is) against the law to use in the US - but must be dutifully imported due to WTO laws and regs. Same goes for tuna netted with murdered dolphins. So much for the EPA, FDA, and all the rest of those crooks...
I surely remember the olden days of yore when I was a contract programmer with Big Blue (do they still call those clowns at IBM that??) and I'd walk up to the SYSTEMS ANALYST and ask her what system she was working on.
Of course, she had no idea. So I'd ask her what programming languages she knew. Of course, she didn't know any languages. Gee, how I yearn for those days....
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Gee, some bad a** Muslim who didn't care for his neighbor and turned him or her in under the fiction of being tight with al Qaeda is not on their list to be rescued - assuming there was an actual organization that existed - and seeing as how we have to rely upon the Bush Administration for such evidence (which hasn't been forthcoming, and somehow I don't think this administration has established any track record on telling the truth,
There *is* a war going on and I am not referring to Iraq.
You are right, Iraq is not a war - it is an invasion and occupation by foreign troops - and a rebellion against said occupiers.
A damn smart thing to do in order to do traffic analysis and discover covert networks.
Funny, J. Edgar Hoover said the exact same thing about his secret political files....
Reporters have a right to publish what they learn, they do not have a right to break the law to acquire that knowledge.
And the prez, vice-prez, Rumsfeldstilskin, and Condo Rice are not bound by those same laws????
Real combat vets do not support an Imperial Army - that's why the Founders believed in citizen-soldiers only]
It's probably just the normal al Qaeda operation for raising operational funds. NSA, NGA, CIA, FBI, ATF, DOTFN, DOCLE, DIA...and those other clowns, are far too busy spying on peaceful Americans.
[NSA + NGA = "Enemy of the State"]
I went out during the day Sunday and performed the classic grade school (or maybe even high school, in some places) physics demonstration:
I would ask random people passing by if they knew of which two items I was holding - a heavy book and a small pen - would hit the ground first when I dropped them simultaneously? Then I would ask them if they agreed with the official story of 9/11/01 - or if they suspected some type of governmental (or otherwise) collusion in those horrible events.
Of those that gave the correct physics answer 100% disbelieved the official story and believed the Bush crowd was heavily involved.
Of those that gave the incorrect answer, 70% firmly believed the official story, while 30% disbelieved it (proving it doesn't take a fundamental grasp of physics to comprehend the obvious, but it sure helps!!!!!)
I simply had difficulty in seeing, that while Cheney/Bush's polling numbers of been precipitously dropping, there is still a significant number of people who believe in the 9/11/01 fantasy (as well as Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, no doubt).
several Anthrax attacks (according to the FBI "analysis" - they were from either two or three different originators), that Reza fellow, the Iranian Muslim graduate student who recently ran over students on the University of North Carolina campus (recently in the national news); and there have been (if I recall correctly) something like 6 to 8 similar incidents around the nation - all low intensity terrorist acts we've seen so much of internationally - nothing like that fairly well-orchestrated 9/11/01,
and if you wish to know what most combat veterans really think about the Busheviks please read this article by one of the co-founders of Delta Force (and the only guy I'm aware of who can do as many handstand pushups as this old vet).
Just call the White House - I'm sure they have it on file.
I've certainly never seen a period in my life where things were this horribly skewed! I'm relatively sure the original plan on 9/11/01 was to declare martial law, but their plan didn't work out quite right (the part where two of those planes were supposed to attack the legislative branch of the government on Capitol Hill, D.C. (I think it was the Capitol building - I forget the actual name.)
I hope their backup plane which is supposed to occur sometime between now and 2008 doesn't take as many lives as 9/11/01 - who knows if they move it up once the serious indictments start rolling in.
But there hasn't been a serious terrorist attack since 9/11/01 (about that Anthrax, dude). But what if that 9/11/01 wasn't actually a terrorist attack.....
The Busheviks have been doing this - not since 09/11/01 - but from the very first month they came into power after he was appointed to the presidency by his buds on the Supreme Court. And they are using satellite imaging in conjunction with the NSA spying (sort of like that stuff that went on in that movie "Enemy of the State" with Will Smith).
This will allow them to accumulate both strategic BUSINESS intelligence and blackmail intelligence on specific legistors and political opponents.
Sonny, they've already admitted they (the NSA) have the network to pull it off - don't you ever follow the news, or maybe that ADD is giving you some REAL bad problems. And now you're telling us that Ms. Plame's neighbors are all al Qaeda - or Hezbollah - so it doesn't matter if her cover was blown - otherwise your lack of logical thread makes no sense!!!
Dude - you are truly hilarious with you unbelievable propaganda - some of us actually do our homework - and mine was to memorize the charter of NSA many years ago in the military. Tired of answering the same old stuff (SOS to you children) - so go back and study a subject you obviously missed in school - it's called physics - and no lies by the Busheviks will ever suspend it.
The original 9/11/01 plan had some problems that circumvented the original plan which called for martial law to be enacted by the Busheviks: that French film crew that filmed the controlled demolitions of the two towers at the WTC, the seismic data recording that they forgot to confiscate from a nearby university that corroborated the film crew's footage, the ham radio operators who picked up the homing beacons that went online in both DC and NYC, one in the vicinity of Capitol Hill in DC, the other right at the WTC in NYC. Oh yeah, that original Flight 91 that was scrubbed because of the cracked cockpit window (that was one of the aircraft that the RPV software had been uploaded into). Of course there will be dufuses - we all knew them in school and the workplace - who will never figure out that a jet aircraft which is supposed to have crashed directly into the ground in Shanksville, PA, doesn't live debris spread over a 6 to 8 mile area - that only happens from a mid-air explosion above 10,000 feet. Any of you clowns have any real, solid military experience?????
Otherwise it would be obvious. Had some trouble with math, too, right?
You are now one of the lowbrow minority in this country who just don't get it...if you don't live in Ohio or Kentucky, please move there ASAP.You mean when Bushie says he's not really mining and trolling the personal data of millions of innocent Americans - he's really full of Texas beans????
[My wet dream: the indictments of Rove...Cheney...and Bush.]
No...wait....you meant fictional???
Der tag: 09/11/01
I offer up no simple links but urge anyone who doesn't "get it" to go to the library or bookstore and obtain books on German History of the first half of the 20th century; events of Hitler's taking and consolidation of power.
I'm an old fart who grew up with people preaching me this stuff - and to avoid it at all costs. What is taking place right now is just soooo Deja Vu....
The people, companies and associations called can yield tremendous amounts of data to profile both individuals and groups; the potential for data mining is simply too dangerous and far too enormous.
This type of pseudoargument is only two steps removed from those who claim the Bush Administration to be incompetent - every action they take has yielded tremendous profit - back to and including the destruction of the World Trade Center! A perfect example: outing the CIA agent Valerie Plame - caused trouble for her and her husband, Joe Wilson (1), sent a chilling message to CIA subordinates to obey the Bushies (2), and removed the head of the field team monitoring the Iranian nuclear progress [Valerie Plame, the outed CIA agent] (3).
This is called a trifecta!!!
Do you realize the reason why the charters of both the NSA and the CIA forbid spying on anyone within the borders of America?? (Answer: to avoid fascism from gaining a foothold in the US of A!)
Too late, it appears.....
This will destroy the George W. Bush mantra:
We're fighting the War on Terrorism....and I'm getting richer because of it!
On a more serious note: this is how they track the calls coming out of Special Prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald's office.
First Bush gives NSA $54 million (as he did with the Taliban on March, 2001, ostensibly to stop growing poppies). Then a cargo plane (that's supposed to be a UAL commercial jet) flies into their HQ building (in Denver, I think?), then their HQ building collapses in an obviously controlled demolition (either a government agency or the FD had been there the previous week to set the incendiary devices).
Next, a suspicious passport is found of an Arab fellow near the explosion (the only item to survive - the Arab pilot - who only learned his crack flying skills at an aviation school flight simulator quite recently - and has an IQ of 98 - must have rolled down the cockpit window and tossed it out just prior to crashing into the Qwest building).
Wow...it must be al Qaeda in a cave!What about Mr. Ed??? Horses have unique identifiers too, ya know? Even Britney Spears answers to a unique name - at least that's what everyone keeps telling me at THE HOME....
Excellent points - especially as the US government has very quietly released the majority of the "prisoners" they were holding at Guantanimo (you know, where they torture people) - so I suspect they actually weren't guilty, after all???
No, actually much worse. The Chinese mfr.'s believe in recycling everything, which is why their items frequently set off radiation counters,i.e., they recycle all toxic and radioactive waste into everything they manufacture - might be children's toys, might be silverware, etc.
We also, thanks to the minders and shysters of the WTO, also now eat food and produce raised with DDT spraying which was (and I think actually still is) against the law to use in the US - but must be dutifully imported due to WTO laws and regs. Same goes for tuna netted with murdered dolphins. So much for the EPA, FDA, and all the rest of those crooks...
I can't fathom why people do that - just skip the middle man and contribute directly to the "Chinese-missile-aimed-at-US-Cities" fund!
I concur!
I surely remember the olden days of yore when I was a contract programmer with Big Blue (do they still call those clowns at IBM that??) and I'd walk up to the SYSTEMS ANALYST and ask her what system she was working on.
Of course, she had no idea. So I'd ask her what programming languages she knew. Of course, she didn't know any languages. Gee, how I yearn for those days....