But it's unusual to see one posting on sites like this - a surprising reality given that half of the people online are now female. Men start most topics, dominate most conversations.
no offense, but most of the time men STILL have to make the first move. Mostly run by culture, but also run by the fact that *MOST* women still seem to think that the guy should make the first move...
Once your submerged in high speed access you never want to go back.
over the summer I convinced my dad to get DSL (6400k/160k) so that I could Quake as LPB. There was really no need for it after I left, so we made a deal to get it just for the summer. Anyway... After having 75k/s dl's and webpages *blip* up before your eyes he just couldn't see the sense in going back to "that fucking slow shit modem thing" hehe.
I goto a realtively large University (Bowling Green State in Ohio). This is my third year and this is the first year of any change in the bandwith available. Before December of this year the only available bandwith came from four T1's. We have about 20k students...
They finally got a 10mbit fractional DS3 and it improved the bandwith significantly. I was about to get a dialup account w/the local ISP for 11.95/month and use 56k. It would have beat the 2k/s I was steadily recieving...
I just hope as the University expands, that they don't neglect the needs of us "speed junkies":)
Even though I never liked the customer service from Dell (them wanting me to pay $300 to replace a keyboard in which the part [at the time] cost about $30) their p133 Latitude laptop was my main machine for about 3 years.
In the past the NeoMagic video card was only supported by AcceleratedX but eventually RedHat released free Xfree drivers for the card.
The machine was great and I am glad to see Dell finally moving support to a wider range of PC's. I really hope that other "online" stores (like GW2k) will soon follow suit.
opinions are like assholes my friend... Personally, I don't tend to agree w/anything that Katz says (or any reviewer for that matter -- remember a lot of people said Eyes Wide Shut was great, the only good part was Kidman naked). Thus his opinion is worthless to me. If you like what you read about book, buy it and see.
nape. The Internet is not role playing IMHO. You are there for a specific reason (whatever it is) not to be on some power trip. That is my opinion at least.
many virtual communities, Quake, IRC channels, etc are (in my experience) a collection of people who are hiding behind their computer screens and not acting the way that they would IRL. Many of them are annoying little brats online but are quiet and reserved IRL.
it actually annoys me when they make comments like "where do you live, I will come kick your ass". I honestly doubt that many of them could or really would. If you are going to make stupid comments, do them elsewhere...
IRC channel op's also tend to annoy me. Most of them think that they are God. They most likely don't have any power IRL and feel the need to make up for this on the Internet. Please go spend your free time doing something productive outside the "Virtual Community" rather than sitting there kick/banning people b/c they told you what everyone tells you to your face...
This is not a flamebait or bullshit, this is my personal thoughts on my experiences w/VC's on the Internet...
If you are one of these idiots please take note and remember that most people could care less that you have an @ or you are an Admin, or whatever. You are no better than the rest of us.
honestly, I know of just about NO college students that "try before they buy". We use Napster, download tons of songs and burn mixes. Everyone knows that there are very few albums that contain all hit songs...
Take a look at a college student's playlist. That will tell you what they are doing, not what they are saying. Most of the people I know (and myself included) have many 2-3 songs from one artist in a collection of over 1000 mp3's. It's the variety and the fact that we don't have to buy a 1000 disc changer that you put on random to get the song selections you want.
I have bought albums of only the bands I like and I don't need to worry about sampling them online illegally before I buy, they all support the free exchange of their live stuff. SCI, WSP, GD, Hookah, etc...
Oh and how many people were "trying before they buy" when they were leeching Warez from their local BBS or FTP site?
Not on any CRCTF Q1CTF servers or any of the public servers I play on...
"no bots please" code added.
yep, some of them can detect proxies, or other bots, but they don't catch them all.
Jump or run across slanted ground. Have you played quake much?
doing either of these won't stop it. Jumping doesn't make you go high enough for the splash to miss. Running across slanted ground? Most levels I play in Q1 don't have much, and most of the proxies I have played against it doesn't matter. They will STILL hit you. Your position on the ground doesn't matter. It knows where you are.
Yes, and that was quite insulting. I am not the best, nor did I ever claim to be. You apparently haven't played much IMHO if you think that they can't hit you.
Your statement about LPB CS bots applies just as well to humans - some people are just that good.
most proxies don't turn and shoot, so the rockets come out of their ass. They aren't that good, I'm sorry. You're again wrong. xUx, CO, etc, none of them can shoot out their asses.
You couldn't beat me GUARANTEED w/me having a 30 ping, a fast grapple, and a proxy.
I don't think that releasing the source is going to kill Q1 off. Most of the people that I have talked to in the Q1CTF arena have moved to Q3 and come back to Q1. Q3CTF was going to be released by Zoid w/o a grapple. This fact bothers most CTF'ers. In fact, I feel that the entire point of CTF is the grapple (Zoid doesn't share my opinion, but then again I play the game for me, not him). Q3's lag is hard to compensate for (as I mentioned in another post). As a HPB you seem to be moving rather freely and shooting people, but next thing you know, they are a) missing from the spot you just shot, or b) you are dead. You are standing still to those w/better connections but you think you are moving. Q1 even though you were moving SLOW, you at least were actually moving. Standing still during lag is a retarded way to have that go...
I also don't think that this was "expected" and "wanted" so that Q1 would die. There were always people cheating, and there will always be people cheating. It hasn't killed the game yet, and it won't. Q3 had bots available during the test phases, is it going to make us not want to play Q3 when Qx comes out?
again, wrong. #1, I don't play Q2, never have, never will. I will probably never play Q3 for the same reason. Realistic looking games are not what I am in them for. Q2 was lacking (IMHO) good gameplay and even though some of this "gameplay" was given back in Q3 I still feel that the overkill in the graphics outweighs any reason to play it (don't say that my computer can't handle the 3D either -- Dual 400 Celeron's, 128mb, 16mb Voodoo3 3k and the r_smp is enabled). #2 -- on any Q1 server I have played on there are NO mods for "voting out" a player. This is a Q2 thing apparently. #3 -- I don't know what you mean by this asymeterical movement arcs in 3space b/c I really don't know how you can move in the air like that w/o grappling, and the second you grapple, you stop long enough for the bot to hit you...
I have been accused of being a bot constantly on public servers... They think cause you can grapple and shoot you are a bot, your statement doesn't impress me. LPB's don't look like bots, bots look like bots. LPB's just move faster. I don't know about Q2, but if it is anything like the lag you get in Q3 I can see where your statements come from. Q1 lag is just making you slow, Q3 you feel like you are moving w/a 30 ping, but you are really standing still to anyone else around you. Rather annoying on both fronts IMHO. Lag should be like Q1, it is much easier to compensate for.
None of my points mentioned in my previous post had anything to do w/fighting LPB's. I was saying that a proxy on an LPB connection will kill faster and miss less than someone w/a slower connection.
most of those cheats aren't what I would have considered pak2 cheats. They are just addons that I have seen -- easily available -- glowing packs, glowing runes, better crosshair, etc.
No matter what you propose as a possible way to stop the cheating, it won't stop. The availability of the source code (as I have stated above along w/others) hasn't caused the cheating. It was available long before the source was introduced. No matter what the game, no matter how well it was designed to not allow cheating, some asshole will always find a way to cheat. Look at swimming (the sport I am involved in, and the one that has seen the most recent drug problems -- the 84, 88, 92, and 96 Olympics). They have taken drugs that are undetectable, taken other drugs to mask the ones that they took, injected other people's urine, etc... There will forever be ways around pre-existing measures.
I have played against "bots" for years now. I change my alias to BotOwner and even if I don't win, killing the little fuck is more annoying to him (especially when you laugh about it) than he is to me. Just shows that I have more skill than he does if his computer aided shit still can't frag me.
Just get over it. You can spot a cheater the second he joins and everyone just laughs at him. Play until he leaves, he is just trying to annoy you. Just let him cheat, he will get bored of letting the computer play for himself...
Proxy cheat bots are only a small percentage of client side bots - also I've never seen a client side bot that really gave an advandage to the cheater.
Wrong. VERY wrong. Proxy cheats, a low ping, and *some* skill (this *some* means being able to strafe and dodge incoming fire) will net you a game (that ends at 150 points) where you win by sometimes 60 to 100 points (with decent players). I have used the "stooge" bot before on public CTF servers (not trying to seem good, and only playing under an "assumed name" just testing it). You just see your weapon firing, and you don't know who at. You could be underwater and it will just launch at the nearest person w/the most number of points. If you are a decent player you can rack up several hundred points in only a few minutes (if you are running the flag as well).
Most of the proxy bots depend on ping. You can tell the bot to use some sort of restraint to compensate for high pings, but if you are on DSL or cable, the bot is unstoppable. They NEVER miss. The only way around it is to circle strafe the bot and hope it can't keep up. It normally can.
No matter how "strong" Carmack's "anti-cheat" device is, it will be circumvented. Some joker will build a workalike to this complex proxy system that "tells the server what it wants to hear."
I have been playing Quake1CTF for a little over three years now (steadily). My clan has been around for that long as well, and even though we are no superstar clan, we enjoy playing for fun. There have been proxy cheats around (that include teamplay support and even turn to your enemy when firing) for a long time now. Some servers can detect this and kick the user, but still some have advanced proxies that still let them in (and the cheating is obvious). There has been word of this "pak2 cheat" where I assume that the user has a modified pak2 where it seems to allow them more damage and unlimited ammo. I haven't seen this "pak2 cheat" but on some public servers it really does seem that they have like 200A/250H/resistance rune/regeneration rune all the time. They are nearly impossible to kill in a fight even w/8x rockets and lightning. I'm sorry, but you can only take a direct 8x rocket once...
My long, drawn-out shit here is just to say that no matter if the source was released or not, there will always (and was always) cheaters in Quake. Using either proxies or this myserterious "pak2 cheat". They only seem to be on public servers (ctf.webmaster.com) but I have to be weary of some CTF clans and their remarkable aim... I never accuse, but when two rockets are already heading in your exact direction before you even think of grappling there, I have to think that something fishy is going on...
We ordered toys, a book, a CD, and a stereo system. Everything was shipped promptly, everything arrived looking in good condition.
Happy for you. I had an amazon.com wish list. Four items... 2 single CD's (New Riders of the Purple Sage), a Grateful Dead box set (5 or 6 CDs), and a book. All the items said they would make it by Xmas... Well, all did except the Box Set. That was what I really wanted too.. My mother was really pissed b/c they neglected to tell her this until the 23rd.
I got a $100 gift cert that is now just a waste. I wanted the $65 GD Box set, and nothing else... Why in the world would they lie? I feel like I got coal in my stocking, or I didn't get the puppy I always wanted...
Has anyone inquired about this? These two things (accounting and tax programs - not necessarily Intuit's) really seem like killer apps for getting Linux onto alot more desktops.
you would think that a company would pour money into something that would for sure make money. With the recent surge in backing behind Linux in both the home and corporate realms, you would think that Intuit would see the need and would feel the desire to put something out for Linux.
I know nothing about cross-platform programming, but w/WineLib and stuff, isn't it realitively easy and cost-effective to port it from Windows to Linux?
not if the typing that you do is enough to get by... I don't type "correctly". I use a method that is good for me. I can't see how it is hurting them any if they aren't typing long documents or need speed efficiency.
you could try to run some tax software w/VMware. I find that Wine "misbehaves" on too many pieces of software... Maybe tryout VMware if there aren't any other alternatives...
Nothing brings _less_ respect from me people so worried about how others perceive them that they walk around sounding like "Shakespearian Insult" games.
and sounding like an R-rated movie should bring more respect?
There is a big difference between using "fuck around with" and "motherfucker".
wrong. They are both unintelligent answers. IMHO any curse makes you sound unintelligent and in this case, makes this guy look like a fool.
Why?
since only two of you have given me your reasons as to why you think this is legit, I assume the rest of you find it all right for a "Nobel" prize winner to be talking out of his arse... That's fine, but I still think he could have come up w/a more intelligent response.
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But it's unusual to see one posting on sites like this - a surprising reality given that half of the people online are now female. Men start most topics, dominate most conversations.
no offense, but most of the time men STILL have to make the first move. Mostly run by culture, but also run by the fact that *MOST* women still seem to think that the guy should make the first move...
Once your submerged in high speed access you never want to go back.
over the summer I convinced my dad to get DSL (6400k/160k) so that I could Quake as LPB. There was really no need for it after I left, so we made a deal to get it just for the summer. Anyway... After having 75k/s dl's and webpages *blip* up before your eyes he just couldn't see the sense in going back to "that fucking slow shit modem thing" hehe.
But everyone knows you don't go to college for the classes.
Hell, college would be sooo much better w/o classes -- drugs, sex, and quake -- what else is there?
I goto a realtively large University (Bowling Green State in Ohio). This is my third year and this is the first year of any change in the bandwith available. Before December of this year the only available bandwith came from four T1's. We have about 20k students...
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They finally got a 10mbit fractional DS3 and it improved the bandwith significantly. I was about to get a dialup account w/the local ISP for 11.95/month and use 56k. It would have beat the 2k/s I was steadily recieving...
I just hope as the University expands, that they don't neglect the needs of us "speed junkies"
I don't think that was their only idea ;-)
Even though I never liked the customer service from Dell (them wanting me to pay $300 to replace a keyboard in which the part [at the time] cost about $30) their p133 Latitude laptop was my main machine for about 3 years.
In the past the NeoMagic video card was only supported by AcceleratedX but eventually RedHat released free Xfree drivers for the card.
The machine was great and I am glad to see Dell finally moving support to a wider range of PC's. I really hope that other "online" stores (like GW2k) will soon follow suit.
opinions are like assholes my friend... Personally, I don't tend to agree w/anything that Katz says (or any reviewer for that matter -- remember a lot of people said Eyes Wide Shut was great, the only good part was Kidman naked). Thus his opinion is worthless to me. If you like what you read about book, buy it and see.
nape. The Internet is not role playing IMHO. You are there for a specific reason (whatever it is) not to be on some power trip. That is my opinion at least.
many virtual communities, Quake, IRC channels, etc are (in my experience) a collection of people who are hiding behind their computer screens and not acting the way that they would IRL. Many of them are annoying little brats online but are quiet and reserved IRL.
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it actually annoys me when they make comments like "where do you live, I will come kick your ass". I honestly doubt that many of them could or really would. If you are going to make stupid comments, do them elsewhere...
IRC channel op's also tend to annoy me. Most of them think that they are God. They most likely don't have any power IRL and feel the need to make up for this on the Internet. Please go spend your free time doing something productive outside the "Virtual Community" rather than sitting there kick/banning people b/c they told you what everyone tells you to your face...
This is not a flamebait or bullshit, this is my personal thoughts on my experiences w/VC's on the Internet...
If you are one of these idiots please take note and remember that most people could care less that you have an @ or you are an Admin, or whatever. You are no better than the rest of us.
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honestly, I know of just about NO college students that "try before they buy". We use Napster, download tons of songs and burn mixes. Everyone knows that there are very few albums that contain all hit songs...
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Take a look at a college student's playlist. That will tell you what they are doing, not what they are saying. Most of the people I know (and myself included) have many 2-3 songs from one artist in a collection of over 1000 mp3's. It's the variety and the fact that we don't have to buy a 1000 disc changer that you put on random to get the song selections you want.
I have bought albums of only the bands I like and I don't need to worry about sampling them online illegally before I buy, they all support the free exchange of their live stuff. SCI, WSP, GD, Hookah, etc...
Oh and how many people were "trying before they buy" when they were leeching Warez from their local BBS or FTP site?
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"there are NO mods for "voting out" a player"
Not on any CRCTF Q1CTF servers or any of the public servers I play on...
"no bots please" code added.
yep, some of them can detect proxies, or other bots, but they don't catch them all.
Jump or run across slanted ground. Have you played quake much?
doing either of these won't stop it. Jumping doesn't make you go high enough for the splash to miss. Running across slanted ground? Most levels I play in Q1 don't have much, and most of the proxies I have played against it doesn't matter. They will STILL hit you. Your position on the ground doesn't matter. It knows where you are.
Yes, and that was quite insulting. I am not the best, nor did I ever claim to be. You apparently haven't played much IMHO if you think that they can't hit you.
Your statement about LPB CS bots applies just as well to humans - some people are just that good.
most proxies don't turn and shoot, so the rockets come out of their ass. They aren't that good, I'm sorry. You're again wrong. xUx, CO, etc, none of them can shoot out their asses.
You couldn't beat me GUARANTEED w/me having a 30 ping, a fast grapple, and a proxy.
I don't think that releasing the source is going to kill Q1 off. Most of the people that I have talked to in the Q1CTF arena have moved to Q3 and come back to Q1. Q3CTF was going to be released by Zoid w/o a grapple. This fact bothers most CTF'ers. In fact, I feel that the entire point of CTF is the grapple (Zoid doesn't share my opinion, but then again I play the game for me, not him). Q3's lag is hard to compensate for (as I mentioned in another post). As a HPB you seem to be moving rather freely and shooting people, but next thing you know, they are a) missing from the spot you just shot, or b) you are dead. You are standing still to those w/better connections but you think you are moving. Q1 even though you were moving SLOW, you at least were actually moving. Standing still during lag is a retarded way to have that go...
I also don't think that this was "expected" and "wanted" so that Q1 would die. There were always people cheating, and there will always be people cheating. It hasn't killed the game yet, and it won't. Q3 had bots available during the test phases, is it going to make us not want to play Q3 when Qx comes out?
again, wrong. #1, I don't play Q2, never have, never will. I will probably never play Q3 for the same reason. Realistic looking games are not what I am in them for. Q2 was lacking (IMHO) good gameplay and even though some of this "gameplay" was given back in Q3 I still feel that the overkill in the graphics outweighs any reason to play it (don't say that my computer can't handle the 3D either -- Dual 400 Celeron's, 128mb, 16mb Voodoo3 3k and the r_smp is enabled). #2 -- on any Q1 server I have played on there are NO mods for "voting out" a player. This is a Q2 thing apparently. #3 -- I don't know what you mean by this asymeterical movement arcs in 3space b/c I really don't know how you can move in the air like that w/o grappling, and the second you grapple, you stop long enough for the bot to hit you...
I have been accused of being a bot constantly on public servers... They think cause you can grapple and shoot you are a bot, your statement doesn't impress me. LPB's don't look like bots, bots look like bots. LPB's just move faster. I don't know about Q2, but if it is anything like the lag you get in Q3 I can see where your statements come from. Q1 lag is just making you slow, Q3 you feel like you are moving w/a 30 ping, but you are really standing still to anyone else around you. Rather annoying on both fronts IMHO. Lag should be like Q1, it is much easier to compensate for.
None of my points mentioned in my previous post had anything to do w/fighting LPB's. I was saying that a proxy on an LPB connection will kill faster and miss less than someone w/a slower connection.
most of those cheats aren't what I would have considered pak2 cheats. They are just addons that I have seen -- easily available -- glowing packs, glowing runes, better crosshair, etc.
No matter what you propose as a possible way to stop the cheating, it won't stop. The availability of the source code (as I have stated above along w/others) hasn't caused the cheating. It was available long before the source was introduced. No matter what the game, no matter how well it was designed to not allow cheating, some asshole will always find a way to cheat. Look at swimming (the sport I am involved in, and the one that has seen the most recent drug problems -- the 84, 88, 92, and 96 Olympics). They have taken drugs that are undetectable, taken other drugs to mask the ones that they took, injected other people's urine, etc... There will forever be ways around pre-existing measures.
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I have played against "bots" for years now. I change my alias to BotOwner and even if I don't win, killing the little fuck is more annoying to him (especially when you laugh about it) than he is to me. Just shows that I have more skill than he does if his computer aided shit still can't frag me.
Just get over it. You can spot a cheater the second he joins and everyone just laughs at him. Play until he leaves, he is just trying to annoy you. Just let him cheat, he will get bored of letting the computer play for himself...
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Proxy cheat bots are only a small percentage of client side bots - also I've never seen a client side bot that really gave an advandage to the cheater.
Wrong. VERY wrong. Proxy cheats, a low ping, and *some* skill (this *some* means being able to strafe and dodge incoming fire) will net you a game (that ends at 150 points) where you win by sometimes 60 to 100 points (with decent players). I have used the "stooge" bot before on public CTF servers (not trying to seem good, and only playing under an "assumed name" just testing it). You just see your weapon firing, and you don't know who at. You could be underwater and it will just launch at the nearest person w/the most number of points. If you are a decent player you can rack up several hundred points in only a few minutes (if you are running the flag as well).
Most of the proxy bots depend on ping. You can tell the bot to use some sort of restraint to compensate for high pings, but if you are on DSL or cable, the bot is unstoppable. They NEVER miss. The only way around it is to circle strafe the bot and hope it can't keep up. It normally can.
No matter how "strong" Carmack's "anti-cheat" device is, it will be circumvented. Some joker will build a workalike to this complex proxy system that "tells the server what it wants to hear."
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I have been playing Quake1CTF for a little over three years now (steadily). My clan has been around for that long as well, and even though we are no superstar clan, we enjoy playing for fun. There have been proxy cheats around (that include teamplay support and even turn to your enemy when firing) for a long time now. Some servers can detect this and kick the user, but still some have advanced proxies that still let them in (and the cheating is obvious). There has been word of this "pak2 cheat" where I assume that the user has a modified pak2 where it seems to allow them more damage and unlimited ammo. I haven't seen this "pak2 cheat" but on some public servers it really does seem that they have like 200A/250H/resistance rune/regeneration rune all the time. They are nearly impossible to kill in a fight even w/8x rockets and lightning. I'm sorry, but you can only take a direct 8x rocket once...
My long, drawn-out shit here is just to say that no matter if the source was released or not, there will always (and was always) cheaters in Quake. Using either proxies or this myserterious "pak2 cheat". They only seem to be on public servers (ctf.webmaster.com) but I have to be weary of some CTF clans and their remarkable aim... I never accuse, but when two rockets are already heading in your exact direction before you even think of grappling there, I have to think that something fishy is going on...
Just my worthless
1. Amazon.com
We ordered toys, a book, a CD, and a stereo system. Everything was shipped promptly, everything arrived looking in good condition.
Happy for you. I had an amazon.com wish list. Four items... 2 single CD's (New Riders of the Purple Sage), a Grateful Dead box set (5 or 6 CDs), and a book. All the items said they would make it by Xmas... Well, all did except the Box Set. That was what I really wanted too.. My mother was really pissed b/c they neglected to tell her this until the 23rd.
I got a $100 gift cert that is now just a waste. I wanted the $65 GD Box set, and nothing else... Why in the world would they lie? I feel like I got coal in my stocking, or I didn't get the puppy I always wanted...
Has anyone inquired about this? These two things (accounting and tax programs - not necessarily Intuit's) really seem like killer apps for getting Linux onto alot more desktops.
you would think that a company would pour money into something that would for sure make money. With the recent surge in backing behind Linux in both the home and corporate realms, you would think that Intuit would see the need and would feel the desire to put something out for Linux.
I know nothing about cross-platform programming, but w/WineLib and stuff, isn't it realitively easy and cost-effective to port it from Windows to Linux?
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not if the typing that you do is enough to get by... I don't type "correctly". I use a method that is good for me. I can't see how it is hurting them any if they aren't typing long documents or need speed efficiency.
you could try to run some tax software w/VMware. I find that Wine "misbehaves" on too many pieces of software... Maybe tryout VMware if there aren't any other alternatives...
Nothing brings _less_ respect from me people so worried about how others perceive them that they walk around sounding like "Shakespearian Insult" games.
and sounding like an R-rated movie should bring more respect?
I think it is awful ignorant to accuse someone of being wrong, and in the same sentence stating that such is your opinion.
I think you are being a hypocrit.
There is a big difference between using "fuck around with" and "motherfucker".
wrong. They are both unintelligent answers. IMHO any curse makes you sound unintelligent and in this case, makes this guy look like a fool.
Why?
since only two of you have given me your reasons as to why you think this is legit, I assume the rest of you find it all right for a "Nobel" prize winner to be talking out of his arse... That's fine, but I still think he could have come up w/a more intelligent response.