Ummmm...actually, this was found in "the wild". That means that it was being actively exploited. I agree with your point, but technically it wasn't found by the good guys until it was too late. Who knows how long this has been being exploited?
I agree that it's a mess, and there really is no easy answer. However, I'm not going to let unfounded paranoia about government censorship of legitimate web sites interfere with my judgement about an effort being made by my attorney general protect innocent children.
it does set a very bad precedent for lawers/legislatures in the future
How is enforcing the law bad precedent? I agree that it's scary to think that government may eventually decide to filter legitimate sites for political reasons, but that's not what this is about. It's illegal to look at or possess child porn, so PA is keeping people from possessing it. It's no different IMHO, than stopping drugs from coming across the border. I'm sure that LOTS of legitimate people get searched, and I'm sure there are people that don't (legally) make it into the country because of this or that law. But that doesn't mean we stop enforcing the law. Sure, we could all protest blocking drugs from getting into the country because it eventually may lead to not allowing foreigners in our country at all. But that sounds kind of dumb, doesn't it?
I live in Pennsylvania, and I think it's great that the normal guy who just likes to look at porn doesn't have to worry about accidentally stumbling upon something that gets you landed in jail and labeled as a sick pervert. It happens...it happened to someone I know.
What? You actually READ the articles? I thought we were just supposed to comment on what we THOUGHT the article said, or insert our uninformed, media-swayed opinions wherever we saw fit. Read the article? What a novel idea...
yeah, considering that almost every country in europe is more dependent on Iraqi oil than we are, I would say that Bush's concern about oil wells being burned borderlines on a humanitarian cause.
Think about, genius. If this was really about oil, we would just go in guns blazing and take the damn oil. We wouldn't have spent months trying to appease the UN, we wouldn't be being so cautious about killing innocents, and we sure wouldn't be making it abundantly clear that we DO NOT intend to occupy Iraq after the war. We would go in, blow Iraq to pieces, and claim their oil for ourselves. And there wouldn't be a damn thing anyone could do about. Try to think before you speak there, slick.
I agree totally. I work for a local government entity, and we recieve lots of grant money from the state to manage various web projects (basically we just host the servers, etc). The problem is that in every case where we are not given a choice about what software to use, the software works exclusively with IE. This is quite frustrating, considering that I manage our Windows network from my RH 7.3 machine. It's actually at the point where I have to keep a Windows computer in my office solely for those times that I need to do something with one of these projects.
It's getting better, though. We recently received a grant to do a map server project, but were given control of the software that we use. We originally planned on using ESRI's ArcIMS, priced at about $12,000 at the time. We even went to the training and started looking at hardware. Then I found out about the MapServer project. Mapserver is an open source internet map server, with all of the usual features: it's free, it's more secure, it's faster, it's more stable, etc, etc, etc. So rather than buying a Win2K server (that's the only thing ArcIMS will run on) and ArcIMS we bought a Redhat server and installed Mapserver. Saved my company about $17K, and our mapserver is faster than any ArcIMS-based server I've looked at.
The best news, though, is that this has brought about a significant change in thinking in my company. Before, our Controller thought Linux was a "toy". She used to say, "If it's free it can't be any good." All the usual stuff you expect. Now, we have one Linux server, a Linux firewall, two Linux desktops, and plans to add two more Linux servers in the next 6 months. They also sent me to take my RHCE about a week ago, but I bombed the Installation section. I'm going back May 19.
What half of that has to do with Mozilla I'm not sure. Just thought you guys might like to hear a nice story on Monday morning.
So I'm naive if I believe that our reporters are watching, at the request of our government, to ensure that the facts are reported accurately and that no atrocities are committed. Yet you are not naive to believe that there is some vast government conspiracy to cover up all of the horrible things that our soldiers (normal, everyday joes like you and me) are committing against the Iraqi people? Sounds a little backwards to me.
WHAT? Do you watch the news at all?? We're getting more "on the spot reporting" during this war than any conflict in history. Much of this is a DIRECT RESULT of the administration. The administration specifically requested that networks embed reporters, because it helps keep reporting honest. You can't say that the army is committing all of these horrible atrocities when we've got reporters watching every single move of the military. There's no room for the left to keep making up all of the idiotic stories that they love to tell about american soldiers slaughtering innocents.
They defended NAMBLA's right to exist as a free entity, and to exercise their free speech rights concerning this topic, even as unpopular as it may be.
WRONG! How exactly do free speech rights translate into material describing specifically how to entice underage boys into your apartment? How does that include their right to tell visitors to their site exactly what music to listen to, what gay porn to watch, and what kind of stuff to have in your house to get underage boys to have sex with you? That's not free speech...it's criminal. By defending material like this you ARE endorsing it.
I agree that it's crap, but I think it's going to work. If for no other reason than that historically AOL can make their "crap" sell. Look how many people still use AOL for their Internet?? AOL throws billions of marketing dollars at a project, and it works. They know how to make people pay perfectly good money for crap.
You definitely said a mouthful here. I think you hit it right on the head. I believe that developers should be considered engineers, but I also think that there should be some "safety" standards that developers who are certified engineers are required to adhere to. Boy, that would be a HUGE step in the right direction.
I didn't say that destroying buildings was a GOOD thing, or that it didn't bother me. I was merely stating that the US is definitely going to lay down some artillery before they move in.
Actually, the BEST security is VIGILANT security, which means not negating the necessity of taking every proper precaution, including writing secure code.
Security has to happen on all levels. I think this article is insightful, and we would all do well to check our egos at the door (you know we all have them).
Too bad there won't be any buildings left standing in Baghdad by the time the tanks get there. Do you really think the US is NOT going to bomb the crap out of Baghdad? It's called "preparing the battlefield".
While I hope you're right, I have to say that this prospect is a little frightening. If AOL has taught us anything they've taught us that a large (too large) majority of people are easily "duped" into buying inferior technology through slick marketing. Come on, AOL is in existence due to it's advertising. I know WAY too many people who use AOL simply because it's the first thing that they think of when they think of Internet. While Tivo may have beat them to the punch, I caution you not to underestimate AOL's determination...and budget.
This is a pretty insightful post (unusual to say the least). I agree that Microsoft tends to take a bad rap based in large part on their size and market share. I've dealt with LOTS of crappy software, and quite a bit of it was much more of a headache than any Microsoft app I've ever seen.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Linux fanatic, and am very much an open source advocate. I think the closed source development model is flawed at it's very core. However, there is a LOT of closed source software out there that is much worse than what Microsoft puts out.
I compare this to the Catholic church in relation to it's Protestant counterparts. I think the Catholic church tends to get a bad rap because of their size and visibility. We Protestants have just as many crappy, ineffective, hypocritical churches...it's just that we're a much smaller target given the existence of denominations. Just my two cents.
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Ummmm...actually, this was found in "the wild". That means that it was being actively exploited. I agree with your point, but technically it wasn't found by the good guys until it was too late. Who knows how long this has been being exploited?
I agree that it's a mess, and there really is no easy answer. However, I'm not going to let unfounded paranoia about government censorship of legitimate web sites interfere with my judgement about an effort being made by my attorney general protect innocent children.
it does set a very bad precedent for lawers/legislatures in the future
How is enforcing the law bad precedent? I agree that it's scary to think that government may eventually decide to filter legitimate sites for political reasons, but that's not what this is about. It's illegal to look at or possess child porn, so PA is keeping people from possessing it. It's no different IMHO, than stopping drugs from coming across the border. I'm sure that LOTS of legitimate people get searched, and I'm sure there are people that don't (legally) make it into the country because of this or that law. But that doesn't mean we stop enforcing the law. Sure, we could all protest blocking drugs from getting into the country because it eventually may lead to not allowing foreigners in our country at all. But that sounds kind of dumb, doesn't it?
I live in Pennsylvania, and I think it's great that the normal guy who just likes to look at porn doesn't have to worry about accidentally stumbling upon something that gets you landed in jail and labeled as a sick pervert. It happens...it happened to someone I know.
Just my two cents.
No...like vi.
What would be REALLY funny would be if he wasn't trying to be funny.
What? You actually READ the articles? I thought we were just supposed to comment on what we THOUGHT the article said, or insert our uninformed, media-swayed opinions wherever we saw fit. Read the article? What a novel idea...
The BBC is notorious for their left-wing propaganda. What do you live in a shoe? You probably think NPR is balanced, too.
yeah, considering that almost every country in europe is more dependent on Iraqi oil than we are, I would say that Bush's concern about oil wells being burned borderlines on a humanitarian cause.
Well, if we can already make oil out of turkey parts, surely it won't be long until we can make oil out of animal rights activist's parts.
Think about, genius. If this was really about oil, we would just go in guns blazing and take the damn oil. We wouldn't have spent months trying to appease the UN, we wouldn't be being so cautious about killing innocents, and we sure wouldn't be making it abundantly clear that we DO NOT intend to occupy Iraq after the war. We would go in, blow Iraq to pieces, and claim their oil for ourselves. And there wouldn't be a damn thing anyone could do about. Try to think before you speak there, slick.
we're all in this together...and we LOVE TO TAKE A BATH!
I agree totally. I work for a local government entity, and we recieve lots of grant money from the state to manage various web projects (basically we just host the servers, etc). The problem is that in every case where we are not given a choice about what software to use, the software works exclusively with IE. This is quite frustrating, considering that I manage our Windows network from my RH 7.3 machine. It's actually at the point where I have to keep a Windows computer in my office solely for those times that I need to do something with one of these projects.
It's getting better, though. We recently received a grant to do a map server project, but were given control of the software that we use. We originally planned on using ESRI's ArcIMS, priced at about $12,000 at the time. We even went to the training and started looking at hardware. Then I found out about the MapServer project. Mapserver is an open source internet map server, with all of the usual features: it's free, it's more secure, it's faster, it's more stable, etc, etc, etc. So rather than buying a Win2K server (that's the only thing ArcIMS will run on) and ArcIMS we bought a Redhat server and installed Mapserver. Saved my company about $17K, and our mapserver is faster than any ArcIMS-based server I've looked at.
The best news, though, is that this has brought about a significant change in thinking in my company. Before, our Controller thought Linux was a "toy". She used to say, "If it's free it can't be any good." All the usual stuff you expect. Now, we have one Linux server, a Linux firewall, two Linux desktops, and plans to add two more Linux servers in the next 6 months. They also sent me to take my RHCE about a week ago, but I bombed the Installation section. I'm going back May 19.
What half of that has to do with Mozilla I'm not sure. Just thought you guys might like to hear a nice story on Monday morning.
The reporters are sent out to produce nice patriotic imagery, like Hollywood but with an additional "reality" kick.
You buy into this commie propaganda, and you're calling ME naive??
So I'm naive if I believe that our reporters are watching, at the request of our government, to ensure that the facts are reported accurately and that no atrocities are committed. Yet you are not naive to believe that there is some vast government conspiracy to cover up all of the horrible things that our soldiers (normal, everyday joes like you and me) are committing against the Iraqi people? Sounds a little backwards to me.
WHAT? Do you watch the news at all?? We're getting more "on the spot reporting" during this war than any conflict in history. Much of this is a DIRECT RESULT of the administration. The administration specifically requested that networks embed reporters, because it helps keep reporting honest. You can't say that the army is committing all of these horrible atrocities when we've got reporters watching every single move of the military. There's no room for the left to keep making up all of the idiotic stories that they love to tell about american soldiers slaughtering innocents.
They defended NAMBLA's right to exist as a free entity, and to exercise their free speech rights concerning this topic, even as unpopular as it may be.
WRONG! How exactly do free speech rights translate into material describing specifically how to entice underage boys into your apartment? How does that include their right to tell visitors to their site exactly what music to listen to, what gay porn to watch, and what kind of stuff to have in your house to get underage boys to have sex with you? That's not free speech...it's criminal. By defending material like this you ARE endorsing it.
I agree that it's crap, but I think it's going to work. If for no other reason than that historically AOL can make their "crap" sell. Look how many people still use AOL for their Internet?? AOL throws billions of marketing dollars at a project, and it works. They know how to make people pay perfectly good money for crap.
You definitely said a mouthful here. I think you hit it right on the head. I believe that developers should be considered engineers, but I also think that there should be some "safety" standards that developers who are certified engineers are required to adhere to. Boy, that would be a HUGE step in the right direction.
I didn't say that destroying buildings was a GOOD thing, or that it didn't bother me. I was merely stating that the US is definitely going to lay down some artillery before they move in.
Actually, the BEST security is VIGILANT security, which means not negating the necessity of taking every proper precaution, including writing secure code.
Security has to happen on all levels. I think this article is insightful, and we would all do well to check our egos at the door (you know we all have them).
Too bad there won't be any buildings left standing in Baghdad by the time the tanks get there. Do you really think the US is NOT going to bomb the crap out of Baghdad? It's called "preparing the battlefield".
lengthen their e-penis
dude, my e-penis is definitely bigger than yours.
You mean Google's not supposed to take you to gay p0rn sites??? What have I been doing wrong all this time?!
While I hope you're right, I have to say that this prospect is a little frightening. If AOL has taught us anything they've taught us that a large (too large) majority of people are easily "duped" into buying inferior technology through slick marketing. Come on, AOL is in existence due to it's advertising. I know WAY too many people who use AOL simply because it's the first thing that they think of when they think of Internet. While Tivo may have beat them to the punch, I caution you not to underestimate AOL's determination...and budget.
This is a pretty insightful post (unusual to say the least). I agree that Microsoft tends to take a bad rap based in large part on their size and market share. I've dealt with LOTS of crappy software, and quite a bit of it was much more of a headache than any Microsoft app I've ever seen. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Linux fanatic, and am very much an open source advocate. I think the closed source development model is flawed at it's very core. However, there is a LOT of closed source software out there that is much worse than what Microsoft puts out.
I compare this to the Catholic church in relation to it's Protestant counterparts. I think the Catholic church tends to get a bad rap because of their size and visibility. We Protestants have just as many crappy, ineffective, hypocritical churches...it's just that we're a much smaller target given the existence of denominations. Just my two cents.