It seems to me it would make sense to build an orbiting space station above Mars first before trying to establish a base on the planetary surface. Sending a probe or any supplies to Mars from Earth currently would waste a lot of fuel escaping Earth and then having to propel itself to Mars, then enter the atmosphere, and have some form of propulsion to get it back off Mars and back to Earth. Probes should be sent to Space Station Freedom from Earth, then to the Martian Space Station, and then down to the surface. If a crew is sent to Mars and they need to leave the surface quickly, they could return to the Martian space station for any medical or supply needs in a more timely manner than sending them back on the long trek back to the homeworld. And no, I did not watch "Red Planet" or "Mission to Mars" too many times before posting this message today either...
My reaction is "so what." I wouldn't be surprised if you saw those same lines in NT. They probably originated in BSD as so many others have stated and will continue to state. If it is true Caldera sent an employee or two to IBM to help *beef up* Linux, then that would be a valid explanation as to why the code is the same. SCO is Caldera and they cannot deny that no matter how many times they change their corporate name. They put the lines in there and they distributed the offending versions of Linux under the GPL. Just because they are no where as successful as RedHat or SuSE gives them no rights to try to weasel out of it now... When will SuSE, Xandros, and Lindows join the RedHat lawsuit against *Caldera*???
Russia is essentially bankrupt. Are they going to funnel their off-the-books oil profits into this project? Russia held great promise, but they've laggered ever since the Communist regime collapsed. There was a time in the mid 90s that the Russian government threatened to destroy the DeBeers diamond monopoly by selling their enormous diamond reserves on the open market outside the control of DeBeers; but apparently DeBeers and others paid off people and this threat never materialized. Russia relies on the minute foreign aid the U.S. and other Western countries give them, and they still don't seem to have enough currency to fund their space program without selling seats to people like Dennis Tito. Where is their manufacturing base? I can foresee China being able to pay for things like this (in 30 years if they'd stop wasting money building up their military to threaten Taiwan) since it seems like China has become the world's manufacturing base, as well as the country most open to genetic (stem cell research) engineering because of the lack of Christian or Muslim fundamentalists there precluding such activities. Now compare that to the United States. We could pay for such programs if there was a political will. We can run large deficits as long as we have foreign investment and keep our interest rates low. We can do that as long as there isn't a viable competing superpower. The euro has become a serious competitor against the Dollar, but until the European Union *member states* (I'd rather refer to them as *Sovereign Nation States*) tackle structural reform(s) (especially their pension system not to mention their generous unemployment benefits and strict hiring/layoff rules), their economy is not going to surpass the United States. However, if the EU was/were smart, they'd essentially assume control of Russia and use Russia's raw materials to build itself into the friendly competing superpower to the United States...and then finally we all might find the impetus to devote some serious resources to space exploration/settlement instead of fighting for diminishing natural resources of this planet...
David, I assumed that since OS X is built around BSD it could download the updates and install them - without rebooting... isn't that one of the compelling features of Unix-based operating systems [insert obligatory negative SCO reference]? On the otherhand, I can see why Apple would require a reboot - insurance just in case the end user is running a program created for OS 9 or prior and not fully OS X... wouldn't the iLife suite be included in those offending programs?
You know as well as I do that you just wanted that pump device [from *Water World*] so you could drink your own pee...or, better yet, serve a bunch of your friends and THEN tell them the source of that refreshing cup of alleged *Aquafina*...:)
Does McBride even live anywhere in Northern California? There are plenty of wage-slaves out here (myself included) that cannot even afford to buy a FIRST HOME, let alone even begin to lust after further real estate like Tom Vu on an infomercial... I guess you could craft an analogy to SCO's profit motives from the following rental unit tale: Mr. McBride is hired by a landlord to squeeze out more profit from an inherited starter-home. The former owners bought the modest home and began making repairs and other improvements to the property. They then were successfully able to find tenants who leased the property. The owners/landlords then mysteriously vanished, presumed deceased. The tenants became the most popular people on the block because they threw great parties, but never rocked-the-boat with the other neighbors. The new owner (who inherited the property) found out from another neighbor the previous owners put in a lot of improvements in the property which caused the tenants so much fanfare in the neighborhood. The owner became jealous because nobody wanted to come over to his own houseparties down the street. The owner found a napkin in another neighbor's trashbin indicating some of the property's improvements, written down based upon observation at the last fondu (sic) party. The notes on the discarded napkin matched some informal notes the deceased owners wrote down on a legal pad. The jealous owner became livid and saw an ad in the Pennysaver from a Mr. McBride claiming he could sell refridgerators to the Inuit and he could bring his expertise to anyone for a nice slice of the pie and a $5 downpayment. Mr. McBride came to town and listened to the whole story. Mr. McBride, a FOB (Friend of Bill) then hires a skilled attorney to figure out a crafty legal strategy out of claiming monies from the tenants based upon the *unjust* enrichment they received from the goodwill of the deceased owners prior to signing their lease agreement. Because the lease agreement was written using a revolutionary new form of compact (ie contract) favored by new-agers, McBride and Company claim it is null and void. The property in question is at the intersection of Caldera Drive and Torvalds Way...
...when SmartPhone2003 debuts in the U.S., will Symantec release *Norton Antivirus for SmartPhone* on the same day? Because surely if they do, CompUSA will have a rebate available if you buy the phone and the software from them on the same receipt...
...someone did the unthinkable and cloned Pat Robertson...I guess they used that new cloning process involving mineral water from the Dead Sea that he sells on the 700 Club...
...the solution to securing the hole was to use a Mac! And you thought it was bad when last week on Slashdot the buzz was you'd lose your job if you suggested using Macs!:)
somehow what I typed in there got rearranged... I meant for it to read that it wasn't like PalmOne would build PocketPC models or Apple would come in and buy PalmSource to give new iPods the PalmOS. I apologize for any confusion that might have caused... Heh heh, PalmOlive...I made a funny...
I totally disagree. This is not like splitting up Atari Inc. (back in 84) into two different Ataris (Atari Corp. and Atari Games). In that instance, Warner Communications (later Time Warner, then AOL Time Warner, and soon to be just "Time Warner" again) sold off the consumer division to Jack Tramiel and co. who renamed it Atari Corp. and vowed to become just a computer company. Warner then sold the majority interest in the arcade division to Namco, and it became Atari Games. But in 1985, the videogame industry rebounded with Nintendo introducing the NES in the US. Tramiel's Atari Corp. decided to get back into the game (so to speak) and started marketing the 2600 and 7800. Complicating matters was that Atari Games wanted a piece of the home market to themselves. They were barred from using the "Atari" brand in the home market; they only could use it in the arcades. So they became an NES licensee known as Tengen. So you had post-1984 Atari arcade titles appearing on the NES (and then the Sega Genesis) but not for Atari consoles such as the 2600/7800/and XE Game Systems which infuriated the owners of those systems. The two Ataris finally licensed the post-1984 titles so owners of the Atari Lynx system got plenty of Atari Games titles to play with. In the case of Palm, you have PalmOne (or Palmone, Palm1, but not PalmOlive) the hardware company and PalmSource the operating system company to power new iPod models. Its not like PalmOne is going to start building PocketPC models or on the otherhand, Apple acquiring PalmSource. It just doesn't compare to the previously mentioned Atari confusion...
Just for kicks, I'd also like to mention the irony that the first star system to be found to have planets outside our own solar system was Pegasus, the same star system the alledged aliens from the famous Betty & Barney Hill (not to be confused with Benny Hill) 1960s abduction indicated they were from... That discovery made me chuckle when I saw it the news report...
It just seems to me that NASA, SETI, and other institutions should be looking at the nearest star systems before looking any further beyond reasonable contact range just in case there is life out there. To me, you'd [any agency] would want to start with Alpha Centari (apologies if it is spelled "Centuri") since its only 4 light years-away. I've never heard any mention whether or not there are any planets in that star system. The closest star system to us [Sol system, Terra] I've heard confirmation of having planets is the Pegasus system, but that is over 50 light-years away. If we sent a formal signal to Alpha Centari, it would only take 4 years to get there; and if there was intelligent life that wanted to accept our collect call, another 4 years to receive a response. Compare that to NASA's wisdom in sending a radio transmission to a star system 10,000 light-years away back in the late 1970s and you can understand why NASA often comes up in conversations as a reference for stupidity. So, with that all said, does anyone know if NASA has used to the Hubble to take a peak at our neighbors in Alpha Centari? Ever???
...but could the Hubble's mirrors be used to effectively work as a giant magnifying glass? Then we could rename it the "Death Star". Paging Dr. Evil...:)
I vote to donate it [the Hubble telescope] to either SETI or (for a more radical suggestion) MUFON. SETI could then direct the Hubble to view the star systems that "candidate" signals are detected from...
I laughed so hard when I read that statement. Coming from the Atari world, I laughed probably more than most. I remember quite clearly our platform *spanking* the Intel-based world when we only had 16/33mhz Motorola 68030s vs. Intel 486s running at 66mhz. Intel's philosophy has always been to crank up the CPU and damn any other co-processors or custom chips (outside their failed graphics chips foray), which was the antithesis of the Atari/Amiga and Mac worlds... Of course, my laughter transforms into tears thinking how far Motorola has fallen since then, not to mention the failure of the Atari and Amiga platforms...
Just give these people new machines. First, you'll regain their goodwill. You have new machines coming out and they'll probably buy them later. Second, you'll increase the adoption rate of OS X, even if it would be with a soon-to-be older edition (hint: they'd probably buy the OS X Panther). Third, you get rid of probably excess inventory. Clearing out functioning G3 and G4 hardware is going to happen eventually, so why not take a write-down now when it will actually save you money in the long-run (by not losing longterm customers)? Fourth, you continue to prove you are better than Microsoft. Fifth -- and this is trolling -- if Best Buy can give customers brand new computers after theirs fail spectacularly providing they bought the $300 extended warranty (PSP) and continue to make money, so can you. I've seen plenty of times where Best Buy managers replaced ancient customer computers with mid to high-end units simply because the customer originally bought those blasted service plans. So if any of these customers bought your Apple Care Plans, just give them new machines with 10.2.6 installed. And just as a disclaimer, I never have owned a Mac, although I'm planning on buying one shortly (bring out a mid-range Firewire-based flatbed scanner too, by the way)...
That argument is stale (ie. "that's not a fair comparison - Apple supports limited amounts of hardware so it works whereas Microsoft has to support everything and that's why it crashes") and unsupported by facts. Do you have an Xbox? Mine's crashed before. And Microsoft has a single hardware platform there. PocketPCs crash? Yep. Again, essentially all the same platform. What about Microsoft based cell phones? Yep. They still crash. So its not just that Apple has limited hardware to support. They have limited hardware that they successfully support in their software. Successful is the keyword that Microsoft still can't seem to replicate even when they have the same advantages on different platforms. While I don't own one, I'm sure the WindowsXP Media PC platform also crashes...
>Actually, the new alphabet created for the >California Recall has caused the Atari 2600 >or "VCS" to be renamed the Atari PQE.
Use that in your Slashdot signature! That was priceless!
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It seems to me it would make sense to build an orbiting space station above Mars first before trying to establish a base on the planetary surface. Sending a probe or any supplies to Mars from Earth currently would waste a lot of fuel escaping Earth and then having to propel itself to Mars, then enter the atmosphere, and have some form of propulsion to get it back off Mars and back to Earth. Probes should be sent to Space Station Freedom from Earth, then to the Martian Space Station, and then down to the surface. If a crew is sent to Mars and they need to leave the surface quickly, they could return to the Martian space station for any medical or supply needs in a more timely manner than sending them back on the long trek back to the homeworld. And no, I did not watch "Red Planet" or "Mission to Mars" too many times before posting this message today either...
My reaction is "so what." I wouldn't be surprised if you saw those same lines in NT. They probably originated in BSD as so many others have stated and will continue to state. If it is true Caldera sent an employee or two to IBM to help *beef up* Linux, then that would be a valid explanation as to why the code is the same. SCO is Caldera and they cannot deny that no matter how many times they change their corporate name. They put the lines in there and they distributed the offending versions of Linux under the GPL. Just because they are no where as successful as RedHat or SuSE gives them no rights to try to weasel out of it now... When will SuSE, Xandros, and Lindows join the RedHat lawsuit against *Caldera*???
Russia is essentially bankrupt. Are they going to funnel their off-the-books oil profits into this project? Russia held great promise, but they've laggered ever since the Communist regime collapsed. There was a time in the mid 90s that the Russian government threatened to destroy the DeBeers diamond monopoly by selling their enormous diamond reserves on the open market outside the control of DeBeers; but apparently DeBeers and others paid off people and this threat never materialized. Russia relies on the minute foreign aid the U.S. and other Western countries give them, and they still don't seem to have enough currency to fund their space program without selling seats to people like Dennis Tito. Where is their manufacturing base? I can foresee China being able to pay for things like this (in 30 years if they'd stop wasting money building up their military to threaten Taiwan) since it seems like China has become the world's manufacturing base, as well as the country most open to genetic (stem cell research) engineering because of the lack of Christian or Muslim fundamentalists there precluding such activities. Now compare that to the United States. We could pay for such programs if there was a political will. We can run large deficits as long as we have foreign investment and keep our interest rates low. We can do that as long as there isn't a viable competing superpower. The euro has become a serious competitor against the Dollar, but until the European Union *member states* (I'd rather refer to them as *Sovereign Nation States*) tackle structural reform(s) (especially their pension system not to mention their generous unemployment benefits and strict hiring/layoff rules), their economy is not going to surpass the United States. However, if the EU was/were smart, they'd essentially assume control of Russia and use Russia's raw materials to build itself into the friendly competing superpower to the United States...and then finally we all might find the impetus to devote some serious resources to space exploration/settlement instead of fighting for diminishing natural resources of this planet...
David, I assumed that since OS X is built around BSD it could download the updates and install them - without rebooting... isn't that one of the compelling features of Unix-based operating systems [insert obligatory negative SCO reference]? On the otherhand, I can see why Apple would require a reboot - insurance just in case the end user is running a program created for OS 9 or prior and not fully OS X... wouldn't the iLife suite be included in those offending programs?
...afterall, isn't Microsoft running some of their servers on BSD? Oh wait, that was Hotmail...
You know as well as I do that you just wanted that pump device [from *Water World*] so you could drink your own pee...or, better yet, serve a bunch of your friends and THEN tell them the source of that refreshing cup of alleged *Aquafina*... :)
Does McBride even live anywhere in Northern California? There are plenty of wage-slaves out here (myself included) that cannot even afford to buy a FIRST HOME, let alone even begin to lust after further real estate like Tom Vu on an infomercial... I guess you could craft an analogy to SCO's profit motives from the following rental unit tale: Mr. McBride is hired by a landlord to squeeze out more profit from an inherited starter-home. The former owners bought the modest home and began making repairs and other improvements to the property. They then were successfully able to find tenants who leased the property. The owners/landlords then mysteriously vanished, presumed deceased. The tenants became the most popular people on the block because they threw great parties, but never rocked-the-boat with the other neighbors. The new owner (who inherited the property) found out from another neighbor the previous owners put in a lot of improvements in the property which caused the tenants so much fanfare in the neighborhood. The owner became jealous because nobody wanted to come over to his own houseparties down the street. The owner found a napkin in another neighbor's trashbin indicating some of the property's improvements, written down based upon observation at the last fondu (sic) party. The notes on the discarded napkin matched some informal notes the deceased owners wrote down on a legal pad. The jealous owner became livid and saw an ad in the Pennysaver from a Mr. McBride claiming he could sell refridgerators to the Inuit and he could bring his expertise to anyone for a nice slice of the pie and a $5 downpayment. Mr. McBride came to town and listened to the whole story. Mr. McBride, a FOB (Friend of Bill) then hires a skilled attorney to figure out a crafty legal strategy out of claiming monies from the tenants based upon the *unjust* enrichment they received from the goodwill of the deceased owners prior to signing their lease agreement. Because the lease agreement was written using a revolutionary new form of compact (ie contract) favored by new-agers, McBride and Company claim it is null and void. The property in question is at the intersection of Caldera Drive and Torvalds Way...
...when SmartPhone2003 debuts in the U.S., will Symantec release *Norton Antivirus for SmartPhone* on the same day? Because surely if they do, CompUSA will have a rebate available if you buy the phone and the software from them on the same receipt...
Chemical Element 110, it goes to 111... :)
FreedomX or Mutant X (although that show is shot up in Canada). Or if it is Apple's implementation, iFreedom; just not iX...
Going to war without France is like playing videogames on your Xbox without your Xouvert...
...someone did the unthinkable and cloned Pat Robertson...I guess they used that new cloning process involving mineral water from the Dead Sea that he sells on the 700 Club...
We are DEVO!
...the solution to securing the hole was to use a Mac! And you thought it was bad when last week on Slashdot the buzz was you'd lose your job if you suggested using Macs! :)
somehow what I typed in there got rearranged... I meant for it to read that it wasn't like PalmOne would build PocketPC models or Apple would come in and buy PalmSource to give new iPods the PalmOS. I apologize for any confusion that might have caused... Heh heh, PalmOlive...I made a funny...
I totally disagree. This is not like splitting up Atari Inc. (back in 84) into two different Ataris (Atari Corp. and Atari Games). In that instance, Warner Communications (later Time Warner, then AOL Time Warner, and soon to be just "Time Warner" again) sold off the consumer division to Jack Tramiel and co. who renamed it Atari Corp. and vowed to become just a computer company. Warner then sold the majority interest in the arcade division to Namco, and it became Atari Games. But in 1985, the videogame industry rebounded with Nintendo introducing the NES in the US. Tramiel's Atari Corp. decided to get back into the game (so to speak) and started marketing the 2600 and 7800. Complicating matters was that Atari Games wanted a piece of the home market to themselves. They were barred from using the "Atari" brand in the home market; they only could use it in the arcades. So they became an NES licensee known as Tengen. So you had post-1984 Atari arcade titles appearing on the NES (and then the Sega Genesis) but not for Atari consoles such as the 2600/7800/and XE Game Systems which infuriated the owners of those systems. The two Ataris finally licensed the post-1984 titles so owners of the Atari Lynx system got plenty of Atari Games titles to play with. In the case of Palm, you have PalmOne (or Palmone, Palm1, but not PalmOlive) the hardware company and PalmSource the operating system company to power new iPod models. Its not like PalmOne is going to start building PocketPC models or on the otherhand, Apple acquiring PalmSource. It just doesn't compare to the previously mentioned Atari confusion...
Just for kicks, I'd also like to mention the irony that the first star system to be found to have planets outside our own solar system was Pegasus, the same star system the alledged aliens from the famous Betty & Barney Hill (not to be confused with Benny Hill) 1960s abduction indicated they were from... That discovery made me chuckle when I saw it the news report...
It just seems to me that NASA, SETI, and other institutions should be looking at the nearest star systems before looking any further beyond reasonable contact range just in case there is life out there. To me, you'd [any agency] would want to start with Alpha Centari (apologies if it is spelled "Centuri") since its only 4 light years-away. I've never heard any mention whether or not there are any planets in that star system. The closest star system to us [Sol system, Terra] I've heard confirmation of having planets is the Pegasus system, but that is over 50 light-years away. If we sent a formal signal to Alpha Centari, it would only take 4 years to get there; and if there was intelligent life that wanted to accept our collect call, another 4 years to receive a response. Compare that to NASA's wisdom in sending a radio transmission to a star system 10,000 light-years away back in the late 1970s and you can understand why NASA often comes up in conversations as a reference for stupidity. So, with that all said, does anyone know if NASA has used to the Hubble to take a peak at our neighbors in Alpha Centari? Ever???
...but could the Hubble's mirrors be used to effectively work as a giant magnifying glass? Then we could rename it the "Death Star". Paging Dr. Evil... :)
I vote to donate it [the Hubble telescope] to either SETI or (for a more radical suggestion) MUFON. SETI could then direct the Hubble to view the star systems that "candidate" signals are detected from...
I laughed so hard when I read that statement. Coming from the Atari world, I laughed probably more than most. I remember quite clearly our platform *spanking* the Intel-based world when we only had 16/33mhz Motorola 68030s vs. Intel 486s running at 66mhz. Intel's philosophy has always been to crank up the CPU and damn any other co-processors or custom chips (outside their failed graphics chips foray), which was the antithesis of the Atari/Amiga and Mac worlds... Of course, my laughter transforms into tears thinking how far Motorola has fallen since then, not to mention the failure of the Atari and Amiga platforms...
Just give these people new machines. First, you'll regain their goodwill. You have new machines coming out and they'll probably buy them later. Second, you'll increase the adoption rate of OS X, even if it would be with a soon-to-be older edition (hint: they'd probably buy the OS X Panther). Third, you get rid of probably excess inventory. Clearing out functioning G3 and G4 hardware is going to happen eventually, so why not take a write-down now when it will actually save you money in the long-run (by not losing longterm customers)? Fourth, you continue to prove you are better than Microsoft. Fifth -- and this is trolling -- if Best Buy can give customers brand new computers after theirs fail spectacularly providing they bought the $300 extended warranty (PSP) and continue to make money, so can you. I've seen plenty of times where Best Buy managers replaced ancient customer computers with mid to high-end units simply because the customer originally bought those blasted service plans. So if any of these customers bought your Apple Care Plans, just give them new machines with 10.2.6 installed. And just as a disclaimer, I never have owned a Mac, although I'm planning on buying one shortly (bring out a mid-range Firewire-based flatbed scanner too, by the way)...
That argument is stale (ie. "that's not a fair comparison - Apple supports limited amounts of hardware so it works whereas Microsoft has to support everything and that's why it crashes") and unsupported by facts. Do you have an Xbox? Mine's crashed before. And Microsoft has a single hardware platform there. PocketPCs crash? Yep. Again, essentially all the same platform. What about Microsoft based cell phones? Yep. They still crash. So its not just that Apple has limited hardware to support. They have limited hardware that they successfully support in their software. Successful is the keyword that Microsoft still can't seem to replicate even when they have the same advantages on different platforms. While I don't own one, I'm sure the WindowsXP Media PC platform also crashes...
I have one... Symantec seems to like riding Microsoft's coattails, and they've done this for years...
>Actually, the new alphabet created for the >California Recall has caused the Atari 2600 >or "VCS" to be renamed the Atari PQE. Use that in your Slashdot signature! That was priceless!