If you have a thin client and you have made it efficient enough to only need 13W, then non trickle-charged PoE is fine.
If you have a thin client(TC) that needs more than 13W, it must be inefficient (As HP can do it in 13W) so rather than develop a trickle-charge TC, develop an efficient 13W system.
If you have an efficient TC that needs more than 13W, then what is it trying to do that warrants the extra power need?
What is a *fat* thin client? A thin client is merely an endpoint for a given protocol, be it RDP, PCoIP, whatever. There is nothing more it needs to do for regular office/callcentre duty.
A fat client is a full desktop. Now, if you could get a super efficient desktop (~30W) then maybe this trickle-charge over PoE could be interesting for 9-5 office duty. This is a valid idea, but it is not a *fat* thin client, it's just a PC.
Your reasons there are for any thin clients, not specifically for PoE thin clients. Neither of your reasons mentions, or requires, PoE...
I agree with the parent too, this is not a *consumer* product, there is just no need for PoE thin clients at home. Unless you REALLY want to reduce desktop cable clutter...
It's all about savings with large numbers of clients.
We are about to migrate to a VDI infrastructure. My team is scared, as the 'standard' terminals are the RDP-Only Wyse jobbies. But there is an option that we may get the PCoIP ones. I saw a demo and that is less scary.
How have you found it so far? Sounds like video is OK so that's a relief...
Maybe because in a large homogenous environment, small power savings can add up?
I am not sure on the relative efficiencies between PoE and a small switching power supply on every desk, but I imagine if the runs are not too long to the closet, that the PoE would be more efficient.
Not to mention, less cables for the users to get all confused & tangled with. Just plug it in & go...
I have an XPS with USB3 ports. I thought they worked OK. I recently got a USB3 disk enclosure and had problems formatting a drive. Ended up doing it in Linux on another machine and put it down to Windows.
I also plugged in someone's stupid USB cigarette (to charge it) and I think it 'blew' my USB port. I keep getting these 'power surge' alerts in Win7 ever since. I am planning on restoring windows soon and then running it through the warranty process.
From what you said, it sounds like I may be in for a shock. Are they generally being arsey about failed hardware now?
Foolishly? Someone said there is evidence, they said I don't like looking at it. I merely countered that by saying I would like to look at it if it is, supposedly, there.
Yes, I can see the sky.
No, I am not in a 'cell'.
I read your other post and, proof aside, I still don't even see any evidence of God's existence. I hold to what I said, I would still like to see it, please.
What are you if you answer "I am extremely sure there is no deity, but who can be 100% sure at the end of the day? If it turns out there is one, then cool, I'll eat humble pie, but until that point, 'no'!"?
It works in every Linux that has been on it, except Ubuntu 11.10 and 12.04 (LTS No less!).
Also, lsusb -v 'fixes' the problem. So, you plug in a drive, lsusb and the device is not there. lsusb -v and it appears and auto-mounts. From then onwards, lsusb sees it.
Not a bug, you say?
Anyway, it's not my PC and not my problem, it was just an anecdote about how there are regressions which don't help the general image of Linux. Every time I get a new version of Linux now, it's a case of doing research to see "Right, which obscure bugs will be introduced THIS time.". They are not listed anywhere in a coherent manner.
I want to use it plenty lol, as does my colleague. It was not a post about "OMG LINUX DOES NOT WORK WITH THIS OLD PC" it was more along the lines of 'every single Linux before 11.10 worked fine on this machine, but upgrading broke the USB ports.'. This, simply, should never be the case. Basic functionality that has worked on a machine for years should not suddenly break due to a bug in the software and then be ignored.
Actually, no. I will turn back time to when these old work machines were provisioned back in, what, 2005/2006 and I'll get the IT department to check that the hardware won't misbehave in *future* versions of Linux.
It's not like I am talking about the latest and greatest hardware that tends to lag behind somewhat (and I always check Linux compatibility before buying new personal hardware).
How do you know your *perfect* hardware won;t have problems in Ubuntu 13.10, or 15.4, or FC 20 etc etc etc. You don't.
Case in point: A colleagues old desktop machine. He recently installed Ubuntu 11.10. USB ports would not pick up any USB mass storage devices. Couple of people had found the problem but it had not been fixed.
Still there in 12.04.
It's little random bugs like this that keep cropping up that play a part in steering people away from Linux. I myself am an avid linux user, but I have been waiting for that 'perfect desktop' and it never came. I have even gone so far as to *not* wipe Win7 on my latest laptop...
Oh, I just realised what you meant.. What I saw could have been an older generation.
The white blades looked pretty clean & newish to me, but that means nothing really. I have also seen windmills over 10 years ago that look like your typical large power generating one these days. How old are these Mark 1's that you talk of, likely to be?
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It's actually quite telling that Disney thinks this would be a good example of how to train a child.
Makes you wonder what horrific pavlonion subliminal messages are in the films they make...
I have never seen a spherical nipple before...
Yeah I had to come here and comment at that point. I know it's just an example, but it's a damn bad one lol.
Why not just say "Use the spoon for your cereal, Son"?
I don't see the point in this idea.
If you have a thin client and you have made it efficient enough to only need 13W, then non trickle-charged PoE is fine.
If you have a thin client(TC) that needs more than 13W, it must be inefficient (As HP can do it in 13W) so rather than develop a trickle-charge TC, develop an efficient 13W system.
If you have an efficient TC that needs more than 13W, then what is it trying to do that warrants the extra power need?
What is a *fat* thin client? A thin client is merely an endpoint for a given protocol, be it RDP, PCoIP, whatever. There is nothing more it needs to do for regular office/callcentre duty.
A fat client is a full desktop. Now, if you could get a super efficient desktop (~30W) then maybe this trickle-charge over PoE could be interesting for 9-5 office duty. This is a valid idea, but it is not a *fat* thin client, it's just a PC.
Your reasons there are for any thin clients, not specifically for PoE thin clients. Neither of your reasons mentions, or requires, PoE...
I agree with the parent too, this is not a *consumer* product, there is just no need for PoE thin clients at home. Unless you REALLY want to reduce desktop cable clutter...
It's all about savings with large numbers of clients.
Our desks actually have 2 sockets on the UPS, so that point is moot here :)
No, my other option is not XRDP, my options are RDP and if I am lucky, PCoIP as stated :)
Unfortunately, we do not get any say in such matters when it is a different department doing the rollout :(
This has a display built in.
We are about to migrate to a VDI infrastructure. My team is scared, as the 'standard' terminals are the RDP-Only Wyse jobbies. But there is an option that we may get the PCoIP ones. I saw a demo and that is less scary.
How have you found it so far? Sounds like video is OK so that's a relief...
Maybe because in a large homogenous environment, small power savings can add up?
I am not sure on the relative efficiencies between PoE and a small switching power supply on every desk, but I imagine if the runs are not too long to the closet, that the PoE would be more efficient.
Not to mention, less cables for the users to get all confused & tangled with. Just plug it in & go...
*gulp*. Wish me luck!
I have my old Dell 640m to fall back on (C2D), but the battery is, well, battery?
I phoned them and they told me to drink MORE!
Is this world full of crazies???
Wait, what? What is this about?
I have an XPS with USB3 ports. I thought they worked OK. I recently got a USB3 disk enclosure and had problems formatting a drive. Ended up doing it in Linux on another machine and put it down to Windows.
I also plugged in someone's stupid USB cigarette (to charge it) and I think it 'blew' my USB port. I keep getting these 'power surge' alerts in Win7 ever since. I am planning on restoring windows soon and then running it through the warranty process.
From what you said, it sounds like I may be in for a shock. Are they generally being arsey about failed hardware now?
Scared...
Tom...
Computer: That's great! You chose he default option; *all three* !
What are you talking about? I read your dictionary link, which just confirmed that it means what I think it means :)
I feel that we may have a crossed wire here somewhere lol.
I am perfectly clear on what evidence means. What do *you* think it means?
Foolishly? Someone said there is evidence, they said I don't like looking at it. I merely countered that by saying I would like to look at it if it is, supposedly, there.
Yes, I can see the sky.
No, I am not in a 'cell'.
I read your other post and, proof aside, I still don't even see any evidence of God's existence. I hold to what I said, I would still like to see it, please.
What are you if you answer "I am extremely sure there is no deity, but who can be 100% sure at the end of the day? If it turns out there is one, then cool, I'll eat humble pie, but until that point, 'no'!"?
I would like to see it please.
Here you go :)
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2819815&cid=39846493
Thanks for the info though!
Actually, it's a bug in the OS.
It works in every Linux that has been on it, except Ubuntu 11.10 and 12.04 (LTS No less!).
Also, lsusb -v 'fixes' the problem. So, you plug in a drive, lsusb and the device is not there. lsusb -v and it appears and auto-mounts. From then onwards, lsusb sees it.
Not a bug, you say?
Anyway, it's not my PC and not my problem, it was just an anecdote about how there are regressions which don't help the general image of Linux. Every time I get a new version of Linux now, it's a case of doing research to see "Right, which obscure bugs will be introduced THIS time.". They are not listed anywhere in a coherent manner.
I want to use it plenty lol, as does my colleague. It was not a post about "OMG LINUX DOES NOT WORK WITH THIS OLD PC" it was more along the lines of 'every single Linux before 11.10 worked fine on this machine, but upgrading broke the USB ports.'. This, simply, should never be the case. Basic functionality that has worked on a machine for years should not suddenly break due to a bug in the software and then be ignored.
Actually, no. I will turn back time to when these old work machines were provisioned back in, what, 2005/2006 and I'll get the IT department to check that the hardware won't misbehave in *future* versions of Linux.
It's not like I am talking about the latest and greatest hardware that tends to lag behind somewhat (and I always check Linux compatibility before buying new personal hardware).
How do you know your *perfect* hardware won;t have problems in Ubuntu 13.10, or 15.4, or FC 20 etc etc etc. You don't.
Case in point: A colleagues old desktop machine. He recently installed Ubuntu 11.10. USB ports would not pick up any USB mass storage devices. Couple of people had found the problem but it had not been fixed.
Still there in 12.04.
It's little random bugs like this that keep cropping up that play a part in steering people away from Linux. I myself am an avid linux user, but I have been waiting for that 'perfect desktop' and it never came. I have even gone so far as to *not* wipe Win7 on my latest laptop...
Well, what do you know. I was right :)
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/engineer/facts/10-045.htm
Oh, I just realised what you meant.. What I saw could have been an older generation.
The white blades looked pretty clean & newish to me, but that means nothing really. I have also seen windmills over 10 years ago that look like your typical large power generating one these days. How old are these Mark 1's that you talk of, likely to be?