"You may not be able to return it to BB or a retail store, but you can always return it to Apple" - ha, where did you get that from? like i said, i'd like to see you do it. the conversation would go like so -
you:"i'd like to return this because i don't like the EULA"
rep:"ummm, what's wrong with the product sir?"
you:"nothing",
rep:"good day sir"
And you never get the chance to willingly accept EULA's either - you MUST open the box to read the EULA, reading it on the website doesn't cut it because there is no protection for you if the terms and conditions on the website don't match what's in the box. in court they will go with what's printed in the box.
and it's not a moral matter, but one of basic common sense and fair trading. you can't take peoples money, then proceed to try control their purchase to the Nth degree.
your argument is so thin it's laughable. i'd like to see you buy a copy of OSX, open the packaging (which you have to do to read the EULA), and then try return it. there's no way in hell they would give you your money back since they can't tell if you've made a copy.
And this argument that i haven't purchased it only licensed it, it just doesn't cut it. Why can't you just admit this shit is wrong?
"You have no right to tell them what they can and can't do with their own stuff."
I think it's funny you lead with this argument while telling everyone they can't do what they want with thier purchase, which is esstenitally "their own stuff".
your logic falls over after the bit where i hand over money for it, and it becomes my property.
attempting to control people after the sale shouldn't be legal, and only holds up because companys threaten legal action which the average person can't possibly afford. As the software creator your rights should only extend to copyright after the sale, and any conditions on warranty.
in a sane world this is how it would work, but unfortunately we live in an insane world which stifles personal freedoms.
you are wrong. there are perfectly good solutions that can be money makers as well as helping the environment. it's just for every good idea, there is 1000 shit ones that are just an attempt to cash in on the global warming fad. they typically contain junk science that doesn't sense check and are always light on details - this one is case in point.
CO2 is not a fertiliser, diesel fumes are toxic, any catalitic process to convert the fumes is going to be so wasteful that you'll need to burn significantly more diesel mitigating the cost saving by spending more on fuel. then there is the inflated savings figures which always accompany these kinds of "breakthroughs".
CO2 is not a fertiliser, so pumping into the ground will not help plant grow. it will infact KILL your plants as a plants root zone requires O2 to breath and take up nutrients. increasing CO2 is a trick green house growers use, but that's in the air where the leafy matter processes it.
The second problem with this FTA, it that fertiliser does not cost $1200 a tonne.
unless TFA is grossly wrong, this sounds a lot like the "magnetic water" bullshit sold to people.
i don't think you need a print out to take with you - after all what exactly is it achieving? it won't be used in a recount. if it's deposited like a normal ballot you've achieved nothing. you certainly won't keep it and check that your vote has been recorded later on, since it's supposed to be a secret ballot remmeber, you don't want your name against how you voted.
I've never understood how, on a technical level, electronic voting has failed so hard in many countries. write a simple app that writes the vote to a flat text file, then reads the recorded result back to the voter for them to confirm, and store a hash of the result seperately. encrypt all the drives, lock down the hardware in each location with steel boxes and armed gaurds if needed.
transport the results out of the voting location with the votes and hashs seperately and count then use the hash to verify that the count wasn't tampered with in transit etc.
you guys must operate in a compeltely different world - here in australia you have to pay 10's of millions in bonds to get mining tenements, and meet strict requirements during the life of the operation to get that money back, otherwise it's used to perform the rehab cleanup after you leave.
I know someone that used to work in oil sands, now THAT sounded like a disaster.....
"In the end it's the tax payers and not the rich owners that end up paying for the clean ups"
i can't comment too much on the USA's current system as i'm not so familar with it, but australian companies must pay huge bonds before they are granted mining tenements. These are held by the government to cover rehab costs if the company goes belly up. also considering the massive royalties mining companies pay as well as the income tax paid from all the jobs, and they more then pay for themselfs, claiming otherwise is a false economy.
I would suspect this kind of arrangement is now in place in the USA for any current activity.
why? an ads value is in how many people see it and how many of those people seeing it purchase a product based on it. if you have no presnce in a country then it's no loss, and if you do eg. macdonalds, it's better for you anyway.
hulu's beef might be that they aren't getting revenue from ads placed by overseas companies but they are still bearing the cost of bandwidth. which is fair enough, but if you've got such a huge number of viewers paying to access your site via a fucking vpn, doesn't that tell you've got an untapped customer base just waiting to turn a buck from?!?!?
for craps sake if it was me i'd be asking which countries are making the most connections, setting up shop there an selling ad time.
your right - pgp is a pain in the arse to deal with, and well beyond 99% of the population.
i've always considered overly complex encryption models a waste of time - private and public key encryption should be simple and strong. bob uses the public key to encrypt a message that only alice can decrypt with her private key, i think where pgp lost it's way is getting too worried that alice wasn't who alice says she is. technological answers to this question is always a big fail.
at the end of the day, you have to trust that alice is in control of her private key. if you have something sensitive enough that any possibility that this isn't the case is unacceptable, you need more then pgp.
i agree australia is a good study in what not to do. the key learning for the USA needs to be - don't let private interests control the last mile, because teleco's will strangle you with it.
private industry is usually the best solution to problems, but not always. any instance where they can hold you to ransom, with no free market rescue possible, is where capitalism fails eg. healthcare and telecoms.
i'm not American for a start. i'm Australian, and i can asure you america should NOT look to Australia for inspiration on how to handle broadband. to date i haven't seen or heard of a decent analog to the USA that has been done right.
force the telco's to either invest the billions they were given or return the money.
If it was me, i'd roll out government owned last mile fiber or high quality copper in population densities greater then 100 people per square mile, and allow private enterprise to use this for a nominal fee and have them provide the backhaul and support services. in area's with lower population density auction off spectrum to ATLEAST 4 different providers in any area.
this way poviders aren't trapped into making huge investments they won't see a return on, and customers aren't trapped by monpoly providers. everyone wins without tax payers having to foot 100% of the bill or making the bill larger then it needs to be.
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you:"i'd like to return this because i don't like the EULA"
rep:"ummm, what's wrong with the product sir?"
you:"nothing",
rep:"good day sir"
And you never get the chance to willingly accept EULA's either - you MUST open the box to read the EULA, reading it on the website doesn't cut it because there is no protection for you if the terms and conditions on the website don't match what's in the box. in court they will go with what's printed in the box.
and it's not a moral matter, but one of basic common sense and fair trading. you can't take peoples money, then proceed to try control their purchase to the Nth degree.
could you be anymore confused?! lolz.
And this argument that i haven't purchased it only licensed it, it just doesn't cut it. Why can't you just admit this shit is wrong?
nope. you can buy retail copies of OSX, so your whole diatribe is null.
I think it's funny you lead with this argument while telling everyone they can't do what they want with thier purchase, which is esstenitally "their own stuff".
fail much more?!
attempting to control people after the sale shouldn't be legal, and only holds up because companys threaten legal action which the average person can't possibly afford. As the software creator your rights should only extend to copyright after the sale, and any conditions on warranty.
in a sane world this is how it would work, but unfortunately we live in an insane world which stifles personal freedoms.
right because if it's not a silver bullet, you should just give up?
CO2 is not a fertiliser, diesel fumes are toxic, any catalitic process to convert the fumes is going to be so wasteful that you'll need to burn significantly more diesel mitigating the cost saving by spending more on fuel. then there is the inflated savings figures which always accompany these kinds of "breakthroughs".
what else can you expect but a jaded response?
The second problem with this FTA, it that fertiliser does not cost $1200 a tonne.
unless TFA is grossly wrong, this sounds a lot like the "magnetic water" bullshit sold to people.
To say .NET is unproven is an outright lie, and we both know trying to pin the LSE's failed IT upgrade on .NET is bullshit as well.
i don't think you need a print out to take with you - after all what exactly is it achieving? it won't be used in a recount. if it's deposited like a normal ballot you've achieved nothing. you certainly won't keep it and check that your vote has been recorded later on, since it's supposed to be a secret ballot remmeber, you don't want your name against how you voted.
transport the results out of the voting location with the votes and hashs seperately and count then use the hash to verify that the count wasn't tampered with in transit etc.
i rest my case.
i think it's very amusing you refer to android fanbois, but fail to make reference to apple fanbois who are 10 times more rabid.
I know someone that used to work in oil sands, now THAT sounded like a disaster.....
thats rubbish. "rich" people spend like crazy and pay tonnes of income tax. you WANT more rich people, they are a good thing.
i can't comment too much on the USA's current system as i'm not so familar with it, but australian companies must pay huge bonds before they are granted mining tenements. These are held by the government to cover rehab costs if the company goes belly up. also considering the massive royalties mining companies pay as well as the income tax paid from all the jobs, and they more then pay for themselfs, claiming otherwise is a false economy.
I would suspect this kind of arrangement is now in place in the USA for any current activity.
why? an ads value is in how many people see it and how many of those people seeing it purchase a product based on it. if you have no presnce in a country then it's no loss, and if you do eg. macdonalds, it's better for you anyway.
hulu's beef might be that they aren't getting revenue from ads placed by overseas companies but they are still bearing the cost of bandwidth. which is fair enough, but if you've got such a huge number of viewers paying to access your site via a fucking vpn, doesn't that tell you've got an untapped customer base just waiting to turn a buck from?!?!?
for craps sake if it was me i'd be asking which countries are making the most connections, setting up shop there an selling ad time.
i've always considered overly complex encryption models a waste of time - private and public key encryption should be simple and strong. bob uses the public key to encrypt a message that only alice can decrypt with her private key, i think where pgp lost it's way is getting too worried that alice wasn't who alice says she is. technological answers to this question is always a big fail.
at the end of the day, you have to trust that alice is in control of her private key. if you have something sensitive enough that any possibility that this isn't the case is unacceptable, you need more then pgp.
No. it's your loss as your the one who is cutting himself off from society.
i agree australia is a good study in what not to do. the key learning for the USA needs to be - don't let private interests control the last mile, because teleco's will strangle you with it.
private industry is usually the best solution to problems, but not always. any instance where they can hold you to ransom, with no free market rescue possible, is where capitalism fails eg. healthcare and telecoms.
unless it has application in the porn industry, it's dead in the water.
i'm not American for a start. i'm Australian, and i can asure you america should NOT look to Australia for inspiration on how to handle broadband. to date i haven't seen or heard of a decent analog to the USA that has been done right.
great truck loads of money will be wasted on studies,consultants and legal battles with telstra. your cheering is very premature.
force the telco's to either invest the billions they were given or return the money.
If it was me, i'd roll out government owned last mile fiber or high quality copper in population densities greater then 100 people per square mile, and allow private enterprise to use this for a nominal fee and have them provide the backhaul and support services. in area's with lower population density auction off spectrum to ATLEAST 4 different providers in any area.
this way poviders aren't trapped into making huge investments they won't see a return on, and customers aren't trapped by monpoly providers. everyone wins without tax payers having to foot 100% of the bill or making the bill larger then it needs to be.